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Rick Womer wrote on 10/14/18 6:33 PM:

Still chipping away at the photos from our May trip. We spent a few hours in 
Metz, in eastern France, because it had a good rail connection to Paris. It 
also has a lovely cathedral:

https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/AMS-to-CDG/Metz/Metz-Cathedral/

The place took a mere 300 years to build (1220-1520), and has the largest 
amount of stained glass of any structure in the world. The window in the 
penultimate photo has a distinctly modern quality to it, but I don’t know the 
story behind it.

Hope you enjoy them.


Lovely photos, but I can't find the flash guns.




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Re: Has anyone used darktable?


That's good to here, err., see.


On 10/15/2018 12:39 AM, Larry Colen wrote:



P. J. Alling wrote on 10/14/18 9:02 PM:
Larry, I just checked out the current state of Darktable for Win 64 
systems, (since that's what I'm running), If you're running a Mac or 
Linux box I'd check the supported camera list,  but I can't remember 
exactly.  The Windows version doesn't support a Pentax body later 
than the K-5.   So you may still be out of luck.  I'll let you know 
if it at least opens K-5II files or if they're excluded for reasons...





I just installed darktable, and pointed it at some K-1 DNGs, it seems 
to have imported them just fine on OSX.






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Re: Has anyone used darktable?

It's possible I looked at an earlier document.  That looks more official 
than the list I found, direct search on DuckDuckGo. Anyway I've just 
installed it.  Runs doesn't crash under Win7 SP1.  It's late here I'm 
going to try it out sometime tomorrow.



On 10/15/2018 12:33 AM, Larry Colen wrote:



P. J. Alling wrote on 10/14/18 9:02 PM:
Larry, I just checked out the current state of Darktable for Win 64 
systems, (since that's what I'm running), If you're running a Mac or 
Linux box I'd check the supported camera list,  but I can't remember 
exactly.  The Windows version doesn't support a Pentax body later 
than the K-5.   So you may still be out of luck.  I'll let you know 
if it at least opens K-5II files or if they're excluded for reasons...


Interesting, this says it supports through the K-1

https://www.darktable.org/resources/camera-support/





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Re: Has anyone used darktable?




P. J. Alling wrote on 10/14/18 9:02 PM:
Larry, I just checked out the current state of Darktable for Win 64 
systems, (since that's what I'm running), If you're running a Mac or 
Linux box I'd check the supported camera list,  but I can't remember 
exactly.  The Windows version doesn't support a Pentax body later than 
the K-5.   So you may still be out of luck.  I'll let you know if it at 
least opens K-5II files or if they're excluded for reasons...





I just installed darktable, and pointed it at some K-1 DNGs, it seems to 
have imported them just fine on OSX.




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Re: Has anyone used darktable?




P. J. Alling wrote on 10/14/18 9:02 PM:
Larry, I just checked out the current state of Darktable for Win 64 
systems, (since that's what I'm running), If you're running a Mac or 
Linux box I'd check the supported camera list,  but I can't remember 
exactly.  The Windows version doesn't support a Pentax body later than 
the K-5.   So you may still be out of luck.  I'll let you know if it at 
least opens K-5II files or if they're excluded for reasons...


Interesting, this says it supports through the K-1

https://www.darktable.org/resources/camera-support/



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Re: Has anyone used darktable?

Larry, I just checked out the current state of Darktable for Win 64 
systems, (since that's what I'm running), If you're running a Mac or 
Linux box I'd check the supported camera list,  but I can't remember 
exactly.  The Windows version doesn't support a Pentax body later than 
the K-5.   So you may still be out of luck.  I'll let you know if it at 
least opens K-5II files or if they're excluded for reasons...



On 10/14/2018 3:24 AM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

That is now my primary (practically only) raw development/image
processing software.
I occasionally use the new version of Gimp to further edit the image
(making it smaller or a adding a frame..).

The scope of its functions far exceeds my needs.
Tutorials are many and you can easily reach people who have
technically proficient.
Darktable only needs your decision to invest some time on its user
interface and "mentality".
Practically all its tools can be used with easily applicaple
local/regional, drawn or parametric masks.
There are tools doing similar functions. However, the similarities are
for beginners.
For the experienced, this apparent redundancy offers a lot more
control. You can easily cuztomize your own workflow which can be
unique, if that is what you want.

I think the only barrier to learning it better is expecting it to
behave like one's earlier tool.
It does worth a serious try.

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I've been less satisfied with Lightroom technically lately, and very
unhappy with their subscription only model. I recently ran across
references to darktable.

https://www.darktable.org/about/features/

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Re: GESO(8) - Metz Cathedral

Well documented, Rick. An amazing Cathedral. I wonder what it would cost 
in today's terms?


Alan C

On 15-Oct-18 03:33 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

Still chipping away at the photos from our May trip. We spent a few hours in 
Metz, in eastern France, because it had a good rail connection to Paris. It 
also has a lovely cathedral:

https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/AMS-to-CDG/Metz/Metz-Cathedral/

The place took a mere 300 years to build (1220-1520), and has the largest 
amount of stained glass of any structure in the world. The window in the 
penultimate photo has a distinctly modern quality to it, but I don’t know the 
story behind it.

Hope you enjoy them.

Rick



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Re: PESO (2): pied bush chat


More text book images. Well done, Subash.

I'm slowly getting back into some photography after a series of 
complications.


Alan C

On 15-Oct-18 04:12 AM, Subash Jeyan wrote:

Thanks Ann, let me see what i can do. and thanks to everyone who looked.



On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 11:47:15 -0400
ann sanfedele  wrote:


I love the shot of the male - jsut about perfect  but that extra stub
of a twig on the right  is very distracting - I'd clone that out -
looks like that should
be easy enough with the nice bokeh.

ann

On 10/14/2018 3:45 AM, Subash Jeyan wrote:

a small passerine bird that's pretty common in the countryside,
about the size of a sparrow. the black one is the male and the
brown one female:

http://something-feathered.in/2018/10/14/mr-mrs-pied-bush-chat/








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Re: PESO: Waterbuck Bull


Thanks, Dan.

Alan C

On 14-Oct-18 11:04 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Stately animal, well rendered.

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On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 2:27 AM Alan Cole  wrote:


Taken from the low level bridge at Balule on the Olifants River.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/45305935631/

K5 & the Sigma 170-500DG @ 370mm

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Re: GESO: Olifants views for Cotty et al


Thanks, Dan. I make it 60+.

Alan C

On 14-Oct-18 11:07 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

That's a lot of Hippos!

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On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 8:24 AM Alan C  wrote:


Olifants in flood, March 2014.
Olifants low water, August 2013
Hippos - FF.
Ellies - FF - to the left of the Hippos & somewhat further away.

All looking about SSW from the Olifants Camp viewpoint

This lot should give you a good idea of the environment. Enough water
but no grazing.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/albums/72157696548914240


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PESO -- It's Pumpkins all the way down.

It's great to live in a country that lets one use a fair amount of food 
as a seasonal decoration...


https://pdml.updog.co/webster26/PESO%20--%20It's%20Pumpkins%20all%20the%20way%20down.html

Equipment: Pentax K5II w/smc Pentax 43mm f1.9 Limited.

Notes: Rendered in DXO Optics Pro 9.0 using Filmpack 3.0 Kodachrome 64 
presets.


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Re: PESO (2): pied bush chat

2018-10-14 Thread Subash Jeyan

Thanks Ann, let me see what i can do. and thanks to everyone who looked.



On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 11:47:15 -0400
ann sanfedele  wrote:

> I love the shot of the male - jsut about perfect  but that extra stub
> of a twig on the right  is very distracting - I'd clone that out -
> looks like that should
> be easy enough with the nice bokeh.
> 
> ann
> 
> On 10/14/2018 3:45 AM, Subash Jeyan wrote:
> > a small passerine bird that's pretty common in the countryside,
> > about the size of a sparrow. the black one is the male and the
> > brown one female:
> >
> > http://something-feathered.in/2018/10/14/mr-mrs-pied-bush-chat/





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Re: GESO(8) - Metz Cathedral

Impressive collection of images.

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On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 9:34 PM Rick Womer  wrote:

> Still chipping away at the photos from our May trip. We spent a few hours
> in Metz, in eastern France, because it had a good rail connection to Paris.
> It also has a lovely cathedral:
>
> https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/AMS-to-CDG/Metz/Metz-Cathedral/
>
> The place took a mere 300 years to build (1220-1520), and has the largest
> amount of stained glass of any structure in the world. The window in the
> penultimate photo has a distinctly modern quality to it, but I don’t know
> the story behind it.
>
> Hope you enjoy them.
>
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GESO(8) - Metz Cathedral

2018-10-14 Thread Rick Womer

Still chipping away at the photos from our May trip. We spent a few hours in 
Metz, in eastern France, because it had a good rail connection to Paris. It 
also has a lovely cathedral:

https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/AMS-to-CDG/Metz/Metz-Cathedral/

The place took a mere 300 years to build (1220-1520), and has the largest 
amount of stained glass of any structure in the world. The window in the 
penultimate photo has a distinctly modern quality to it, but I don’t know the 
story behind it.

Hope you enjoy them.

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Re: GESO: Olifants views for Cotty et al

That's a lot of Hippos!

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On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 8:24 AM Alan C  wrote:

> Olifants in flood, March 2014.
> Olifants low water, August 2013
> Hippos - FF.
> Ellies - FF - to the left of the Hippos & somewhat further away.
>
> All looking about SSW from the Olifants Camp viewpoint
>
> This lot should give you a good idea of the environment. Enough water
> but no grazing.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/albums/72157696548914240
>
>
> Alan C
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Re: PESO: Waterbuck Bull

Stately animal, well rendered.

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On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 2:27 AM Alan Cole  wrote:

> Taken from the low level bridge at Balule on the Olifants River.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/45305935631/
>
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Re: This is at least somewhat amusing...




> On 14 Oct 2018, at 21:56, Larry Colen  wrote:
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> 
> 
> Bob W-PDML wrote on 10/14/18 1:52 PM:
>> Thanks. I'll phone the insurance tomorrow, see what they say.
>> Correction: typ 262.
> 
> Aha, so you're not talking about the rear window in an old Volvo sedan.
> 
Indeed not.

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On 14 Oct 2018, at 21:52, mike wilson  wrote:

>> On 14 October 2018 at 21:41 Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 14/10/18, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> 
>>> Somebody Up There must have heard me mocking the devots because today I
>>> managed to smash (not crack!) the screen on the back of my typ 242... :0(
>> 
>> Oh my. Commiserations.
>> 
>> Insurance repair?
> 
> I can't imagine that a smashed screen is the limit of the damage.  I would 
> expect a cracked screen to incur other injuries, never mind a smashed one.  
> Fingers crossed...
> 

Indeed


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Bob W-PDML wrote on 10/14/18 1:52 PM:

Thanks. I'll phone the insurance tomorrow, see what they say.

Correction: typ 262.


Aha, so you're not talking about the rear window in an old Volvo sedan.




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Thanks. I'll phone the insurance tomorrow, see what they say. 

Correction: typ 262.

> On 14 Oct 2018, at 21:42, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
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> On 14/10/18, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Somebody Up There must have heard me mocking the devots because today I
>> managed to smash (not crack!) the screen on the back of my typ 242... :0(
> 
> Oh my. Commiserations.
> 
> Insurance repair?
> 
> 
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> On 14 October 2018 at 21:41 Steve Cottrell  wrote:
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> On 14/10/18, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >Somebody Up There must have heard me mocking the devots because today I
> >managed to smash (not crack!) the screen on the back of my typ 242... :0(
> 
> Oh my. Commiserations.
> 
> Insurance repair?

I can't imagine that a smashed screen is the limit of the damage.  I would 
expect a cracked screen to incur other injuries, never mind a smashed one.  
Fingers crossed...

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On 14/10/18, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Somebody Up There must have heard me mocking the devots because today I
>managed to smash (not crack!) the screen on the back of my typ 242... :0(

Oh my. Commiserations.

Insurance repair?



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Re: Caesar marked himself safe on facebook following hurricane Michael..

2018-10-14 Thread John

Pensacola Beach is about a hundred miles (as the seagull flies) from where
Michael's eye came ashore at Mexico Beach. I expect that's far enough away the
damage was minimal.

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2018/10/11/hurricane-michael-damage-popular-florida-vacation-destinations-panama-city-mexico-beach/1599340002/

: National Weather Service reports indicate that Pensacola was largely

>: unaffected by Hurricane Michael outside of some flooding and minor pier
>: damage.

On 10/14/2018 08:49, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
Have you heard anything about the damage to my old stomping grounds at
Pensacola Beach?

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On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 10:16 PM ann sanfedele wrote:

Caesar Matamoros just posted his " safe " message on facebook... I didn't
remember if he still had a home in Panama City -- he and his kin are safe
but he writes "Relocating parents and aunt to California. Both houses are
damaged. Returning to Southeast in a week."

Panama City is just west of the exact landfall of the eye of the Cat 4
hurricane and there was very extensive damage there but the town where the

eye passed over was obliterated.. as if a tornado had hit.

My niece-in-law lives in Ft Walton Beach - about 65 miles farther west and
thye may ahve had some damamge and lost power but nothing as dire as to the
east.. at least, not according to the weather channel reports.. She
hunkered down and is supposed to be in Iowa today - haven't heard from her
again.

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Somebody Up There must have heard me mocking the devots because today I managed 
to smash (not crack!) the screen on the back of my typ 242... :0(



> On 14 Oct 2018, at 19:25, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10/14/2018 1:20 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> P. J. Alling wrote on 10/14/18 9:48 AM:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/14/2018 5:38 AM, mike wilson wrote:
> On 14 October 2018 at 00:30 "P. J. Alling" 
>> 
 At least the Russian versions of the FIATs did not have rust holes in the 
 showroom - seen with my own eyes.
 
>>> So what you're saying is that the Soviets made better FIATs that the 
>>> Italians did...
>> 
>> About 30 years ago I was chatting with some folks at a party about 
>> unreliable cars.  They were very happy that they had finally sold their FIAT 
>> and bought a new car.  I congratulated them and said the only thing worse 
>> than a FIAT was a YUGO, which was just a FIAT built by communists. Guess 
>> what they had just bought.
>> 
>>> 
>>> On the other hand I was staying away from the Leica discussion because I 
>>> don't discuss other peoples religions...
>> 
>> I never really thought of a red dot as stigmata before.
> 
> And now you do, I think my work is done here.
> 
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Re: Caesar marked himself safe on facebook following hurricane Michael..

No - but I think that is good news..  it looks to be a bout 50 or 60 
miles farther west than Ft Walton

Just go on line and check the Pensacola papers..

On 10/14/2018 8:49 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
Have you heard anything about the damage to my old stomping grounds at 
Pensacola Beach?


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Caesar Matamoros  just posted his " safe " message on facebook... I
didn't remember if he still had a home in Panama City -- he and
his kin
are safe but
he writes  "Relocating parents and aunt to California. Both houses
are
damaged. Returning to Southeast in a week."

Panama City is just west of the exact landfall of the eye of the
Cat 4
hurricane and there was very extensive damage there  but the town
where
the eye passed over
was obliterated.. as if a tornado had hit.

My niece-in-law lives in Ft Walton Beach  - about 65 miles farther
west
and thye may ahve had some damamge and lost power but nothing as
dire as
to the east..
at least, not according to the weather channel reports.. She hunkered
down and is supposed to be in Iowa today - haven't heard from her
again.

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Re: OT - interesting taxi concept

2018-10-14 Thread John

Looks like a squashed down 1984 Toyota LiteAce minivan with the middle row of 
seats removed. Doesn't look like it has the head-room a taxi really should have.


In that configuration (middle row seats removed) the LiteAce or HiAce would give 
about the same interior room as the old Checker Marathon that was the mainstay 
of taxi service from the late 1940s on (I think the first Marathon was offered 
in 1947).


I wonder why they didn't make the GAZ-13 Chaika in a taxi version? It's an 
almost "perfect" copy of the Checker Marathon (although I think they copied the 
cosmetics from the Packard Patrician).


On 10/12/2018 20:54, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Some of the PDMLer are car enthusiasts, so, I thought some people might
enjoy this interesting car concept.

Someone sent me a photograph of the experimental taxi in the Soviet Union circa 
1964:

https://pikabu.ru/story/taksi_sssr_1964_g_5589293

The interesting thing that it could fit a bassinet-stroller (non-collapsible) or 
a refrigerator (!) - as in: you can bring home the one that you just bought at a 
store.


It had a [then] futuristic design, and most of its parts were from other 
contemporary mass-manufactured vehicle(s). ("Moskvich 408", primarily)



One can see some safety concerns, but back then the amount of car traffic was 
rather small. Even in the US, the car safety started gaining some
consideration only in mid-to late 50s, but US DoT and NTSB were not formed until 
1966 and 1967, respectively, and the first mandatory federal safety standard for 
motor vehicles was not established until 1966.



This morning, I was watching a news bite on self-driving taxis from Waymo
(Ex-Google-car) - in AZ. So, I thought that despite the technology,
the idea of a practical taxi, where you can stroll in with your baby,
has not been implemented.

Yes, there are wheel-chair-accessible vans, but those are very specialized 
services. And there are foldable strollers that can fit in a small trunk, that 
some PDMLers who live on that small island call "boot".

I am guessing that one of the reasons why the idea of accommodating
strollers in the car is that young families with small babies do not constitute 
the most financially-striving part of the population.
(And, of course, these days, you want to strap your baby in a car seat, which, 
in the realm of taxis is a big grey zone: taxis do not provide car seats, and in 
some localities, you are not *required* to use a car seat in a taxi. In both 
cases - I guess mostly for the same reason: such families are not frequent cab 
riders.)



For comparison, I know that Uber offers "Uber Car Seat (aka uberFAMILY) option 
for its uberX vehicles, but AFAIK, that is limited to NYC, Washington DC, 
Philadelphia and Orlando (and it costs $10 extra).

Even in pedestrian-friendly Boston and SF that is not an option.
Lyft does that only in NYC.
Those facts support my hypothesis that taxi/ride-sharing services do not see 
much of profit in catering to [young] families with small kids/babies.


Igor

PS. We are way pass the time we used a stroller, - so, I am looking at the 
problem, so to say, "from the academic point of view".






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Re: Caesar marked himself safe on facebook following hurricane Michael..

2018-10-14 Thread David J Brooks

Yes got that message good to hear.

Dave
On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 8:50 AM Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
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> Have you heard anything about the damage to my old stomping grounds at
> Pensacola Beach?
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> On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 10:16 PM ann sanfedele  wrote:
>
> > Caesar Matamoros  just posted his " safe " message on facebook... I
> > didn't remember if he still had a home in Panama City -- he and his kin
> > are safe but
> > he writes  "Relocating parents and aunt to California. Both houses are
> > damaged. Returning to Southeast in a week."
> >
> > Panama City is just west of the exact landfall of the eye of the Cat 4
> > hurricane and there was very extensive damage there  but the town where
> > the eye passed over
> > was obliterated.. as if a tornado had hit.
> >
> > My niece-in-law lives in Ft Walton Beach  - about 65 miles farther west
> > and thye may ahve had some damamge and lost power but nothing as dire as
> > to the east..
> > at least, not according to the weather channel reports.. She hunkered
> > down and is supposed to be in Iowa today - haven't heard from her again.
> >
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Re: This is at least somewhat amusing...




On 10/14/2018 1:20 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



P. J. Alling wrote on 10/14/18 9:48 AM:



On 10/14/2018 5:38 AM, mike wilson wrote:
On 14 October 2018 at 00:30 "P. J. Alling" 


At least the Russian versions of the FIATs did not have rust holes 
in the showroom - seen with my own eyes.


So what you're saying is that the Soviets made better FIATs that the 
Italians did...


About 30 years ago I was chatting with some folks at a party about 
unreliable cars.  They were very happy that they had finally sold 
their FIAT and bought a new car.  I congratulated them and said the 
only thing worse than a FIAT was a YUGO, which was just a FIAT built 
by communists. Guess what they had just bought.




On the other hand I was staying away from the Leica discussion 
because I don't discuss other peoples religions...


I never really thought of a red dot as stigmata before.


And now you do, I think my work is done here.


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Re: PESO: A splodge of Hippos

2018-10-14 Thread Alan Cole

I can't see why not!
The light is harsh here most of the time. Better on rainy days which,
hopefully, are just around the corner.
Nice to see your posts again Ann  (on g-mail that is).
I still don't know why they are not reaching @lantic, Jack's & mine neither.

Alan C

On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 5:51 PM ann sanfedele  wrote:

> as they are separated by a bit of water, might one call them two
> splodges? :-)
>
> interesting and sad..  it's  abit too light an exposure for my taste,
> but that does emphasise the terrible draught
>
> ann
>
> On 10/14/2018 6:05 AM, Alan Cole wrote:
> > Hippos sunbathing below Olifants Camp. Range about 200m, cropped. These
> are
> > some of the survivors. Hippo mortality has been high after 3 drought
> years.
> > There is precious little for them to eat. A couple of Egyptian Geese in
> > there too.
> > No crocs.
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Re: This is at least somewhat amusing...




P. J. Alling wrote on 10/14/18 9:48 AM:



On 10/14/2018 5:38 AM, mike wilson wrote:
On 14 October 2018 at 00:30 "P. J. Alling" 


At least the Russian versions of the FIATs did not have rust holes in 
the showroom - seen with my own eyes.


So what you're saying is that the Soviets made better FIATs that the 
Italians did...


About 30 years ago I was chatting with some folks at a party about 
unreliable cars.  They were very happy that they had finally sold their 
FIAT and bought a new car.  I congratulated them and said the only thing 
worse than a FIAT was a YUGO, which was just a FIAT built by communists. 
Guess what they had just bought.




On the other hand I was staying away from the Leica discussion because I 
don't discuss other peoples religions...


I never really thought of a red dot as stigmata before.






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Re: This is at least somewhat amusing...

> On 14 October 2018 at 17:48 "P. J. Alling"  wrote:
> 
> 
> > 
> On 10/14/2018 5:38 AM, mike wilson wrote:
> >> On 14 October 2018 at 00:30 "P. J. Alling"  
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/13/2018 9:31 AM, mike wilson wrote:
>  On 13 October 2018 at 13:43 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> 
>  It's a misprint of dévot. They were a kind of hard-right Catholic 
>  puritan cabal, most notably the Company of the Holy Sacrament, of 
>  17th-century France, with a fanatical devotion to Pope, who took it upon 
>  themselves to guarantee the doctrinal purity of France in the face of 
>  Protestantism and Jansenism.
> 
>  Leica purists insist that a modern-day dévot accompany each camera sold, 
>  to ensure the purity and correctness of its use.
> 
> >>> This from the birthplace of Protestantism?  What is the world coming to?  
> >>> Next it will be Italian cars with accessories nailed to them.
> >> Doesn't that describe the Soviet produced version of the FIAT 124?
> >>
> > I thought it was more a left-field description of one of the (alleged) 
> > actions of Martin Luther near the beginning of the reformation.
> >
> > At least the Russian versions of the FIATs did not have rust holes in the 
> > showroom - seen with my own eyes.
> >
> So what you're saying is that the Soviets made better FIATs that the 
> Italians did...

I think the flaws were different, that's all.

> 
> On the other hand I was staying away from the Leica discussion because I 
> don't discuss other peoples religions...

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Re: This is at least somewhat amusing...




On 10/14/2018 5:38 AM, mike wilson wrote:

On 14 October 2018 at 00:30 "P. J. Alling"  wrote:




On 10/13/2018 9:31 AM, mike wilson wrote:

On 13 October 2018 at 13:43 Bob W-PDML  wrote:


It's a misprint of dévot. They were a kind of hard-right Catholic puritan 
cabal, most notably the Company of the Holy Sacrament, of 17th-century France, 
with a fanatical devotion to Pope, who took it upon themselves to guarantee the 
doctrinal purity of France in the face of Protestantism and Jansenism.

Leica purists insist that a modern-day dévot accompany each camera sold, to 
ensure the purity and correctness of its use.


This from the birthplace of Protestantism?  What is the world coming to?  Next 
it will be Italian cars with accessories nailed to them.

Doesn't that describe the Soviet produced version of the FIAT 124?


I thought it was more a left-field description of one of the (alleged) actions 
of Martin Luther near the beginning of the reformation.

At least the Russian versions of the FIATs did not have rust holes in the 
showroom - seen with my own eyes.

So what you're saying is that the Soviets made better FIATs that the 
Italians did...


On the other hand I was staying away from the Leica discussion because I 
don't discuss other peoples religions...


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Re: PESO: A splodge of Hippos

as they are separated by a bit of water, might one call them two 
splodges? :-)


interesting and sad..  it's  abit too light an exposure for my taste, 
but that does emphasise the terrible draught


ann

On 10/14/2018 6:05 AM, Alan Cole wrote:

Hippos sunbathing below Olifants Camp. Range about 200m, cropped. These are
some of the survivors. Hippo mortality has been high after 3 drought years.
There is precious little for them to eat. A couple of Egyptian Geese in
there too.
No crocs.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/45260654172/

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Re: PESO (2): pied bush chat

I love the shot of the male - jsut about perfect  but that extra stub of 
a twig on the right  is very distracting - I'd clone that out - looks 
like that should

be easy enough with the nice bokeh.

ann

On 10/14/2018 3:45 AM, Subash Jeyan wrote:

a small passerine bird that's pretty common in the countryside, about
the size of a sparrow. the black one is the male and the brown one
female:

http://something-feathered.in/2018/10/14/mr-mrs-pied-bush-chat/

comments appreciated.



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Re: GESO open studio

ah - I didn't realize quite what the drill was... re open studio and 
style etc... that is, that people seeing your sign would think you were 
part of the "tour"

as it were.

Your stuff really should sell

ann

On 10/14/2018 3:28 AM, Larry Colen wrote:



ann sanfedele wrote on 10/13/18 7:45 PM:
The signs are tidy but they say nothing about your photography...I'd 
say you  need at least one photo example on the signsor at least some 
indication that
what you are peddling are photographsfor display as opposed to a 
photo studio where people would stop to get thier portrait taken..


Thanks for the feedback Ann.  I was just modeling my signs after the 
ones I've seen for the open studios events that would generally just 
have a number and something like photography or ceramics.


Granted, they also have entries in the event book and are listed on 
the website:

https://santacruzopenstudios.com/

On the plus side, I was talking to a friend and it didn't cost me the 
$300 to officially be in the open studios, so it was a lot less 
expensive for me to learn from all of these mistakes.




ann


On 10/13/2018 9:20 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
This is the weekend of the Santa Cruz Open Studios.  I decided that 
it was a good opportunity to put a sign out and see if anyone stops by.
The answer being that I didn't get anyone stop by from the signage 
and timing.  The good news is that it was good practice, I learned 
some of the pitfalls and I didn't spend nearly as much money making 
the mistakes I did as if I had submitted and paid to be in the 
official event.  I did actually sell a couple of metal prints to 
friends for a very small margin.


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Re: PESO: A splodge of Hippos


Thanks, Dan.

Take a look at the wider view in my other post for Cotty.

Alan C

On 14-Oct-18 02:52 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Great catch!

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On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 6:06 AM Alan Cole  wrote:


Hippos sunbathing below Olifants Camp. Range about 200m, cropped. These are
some of the survivors. Hippo mortality has been high after 3 drought years.
There is precious little for them to eat. A couple of Egyptian Geese in
there too.
No crocs.

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Re: GESO: Olifants views for Cotty et al

On 14/10/18, Alan C, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Hippos - FF.



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Re: PESO: Waterbuck Bull


Thanks, Jack & Paul.

Common along river-courses. The "donkey" of the antelope family.

Alan C

On 14-Oct-18 01:40 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Nice shot of an interesting creature.

Paul


On Oct 14, 2018, at 2:26 AM, Alan Cole  wrote:

Taken from the low level bridge at Balule on the Olifants River.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/45305935631/

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Re: PESO: A splodge of Hippos (Mike W)


Mike

I zoomed to 100% & scanned the whole image - no crocs. That rock you 
mentioned has a sort of croc shape. In the wider view, there are a lot 
more Hippos in the water , another pair of Gypsies at the top. There are 
also a lot of oxpeckers on the Hippos


Alan c

On 14-Oct-18 12:17 PM, mike wilson wrote:

On 14 October 2018 at 11:05 Alan Cole  wrote:


Hippos sunbathing below Olifants Camp. Range about 200m, cropped. These are
some of the survivors. Hippo mortality has been high after 3 drought years.
There is precious little for them to eat. A couple of Egyptian Geese in
there too.
No crocs.

One of those rocks at the top of the centre right bunch looks a bit suspicious 
to me.  But I suppose the hippos wouldn't tolerate one that close to their 
young.


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Re: PESO (2): pied bush chat

Nicely done!

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On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 3:45 AM Subash Jeyan  wrote:

> a small passerine bird that's pretty common in the countryside, about
> the size of a sparrow. the black one is the male and the brown one
> female:
>
> http://something-feathered.in/2018/10/14/mr-mrs-pied-bush-chat/
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> comments appreciated.
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Re: PESO: A splodge of Hippos

Great catch!

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> Hippos sunbathing below Olifants Camp. Range about 200m, cropped. These are
> some of the survivors. Hippo mortality has been high after 3 drought years.
> There is precious little for them to eat. A couple of Egyptian Geese in
> there too.
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Re: Caesar marked himself safe on facebook following hurricane Michael..

Have you heard anything about the damage to my old stomping grounds at
Pensacola Beach?

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> Caesar Matamoros  just posted his " safe " message on facebook... I
> didn't remember if he still had a home in Panama City -- he and his kin
> are safe but
> he writes  "Relocating parents and aunt to California. Both houses are
> damaged. Returning to Southeast in a week."
>
> Panama City is just west of the exact landfall of the eye of the Cat 4
> hurricane and there was very extensive damage there  but the town where
> the eye passed over
> was obliterated.. as if a tornado had hit.
>
> My niece-in-law lives in Ft Walton Beach  - about 65 miles farther west
> and thye may ahve had some damamge and lost power but nothing as dire as
> to the east..
> at least, not according to the weather channel reports.. She hunkered
> down and is supposed to be in Iowa today - haven't heard from her again.
>
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GESO: Olifants views for Cotty et al


Olifants in flood, March 2014.
Olifants low water, August 2013
Hippos - FF.
Ellies - FF - to the left of the Hippos & somewhat further away.

All looking about SSW from the Olifants Camp viewpoint

This lot should give you a good idea of the environment. Enough water 
but no grazing.


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Re: PESO - Mottled umber

2018-10-14 Thread Paul Stenquist

Nice shot. I’ve seen similar moths here in Michigan .

Paul

> On Oct 13, 2018, at 3:36 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> A butterfly?  Strange critter;  delta wing shape, reminiscent of some
> futuristic fighter jet.
> 
> I like the detail in the wings, and the reflection works very well, in my
> view.
> 
> Another fine Macro.
> 
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> 
>> On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 1:38 PM Jostein  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/alunfoto/44382387665/in/album-72157651227461041/
>> 
>> Another sixlegged thingy. 645D, A-120/macro. ISO 200, f/8 and stacked
>> from about a hundred shots with Zerene stacker.
>> 
>> So now I have a butterfly on DVD-R. :-)
>> 
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Re: PESO: Waterbuck Bull

2018-10-14 Thread Paul Stenquist

Nice shot of an interesting creature.

Paul

> On Oct 14, 2018, at 2:26 AM, Alan Cole  wrote:
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> Taken from the low level bridge at Balule on the Olifants River.
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/45305935631/
> 
> K5 & the Sigma 170-500DG @ 370mm
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Re: 2019 - PUG Themes

Like!
J

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> On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:12 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
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> G'day all
> 
> Here's the final list.  Milk Wilson is convinced that imagination is not dead 
> at
> the PDML so "Sonorous Interiors" is included.  We will see...
> 
> Gathering
> Heat
> Red
> Sonorous Interiors
> Trees
> Abstract
> Waterfalls
> Four-Legged Friends
> Seascapes
> Silhouette
> Curves
> Minimalist
> 
> 
> Cheers
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> 
> ++
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Re: 2019 - PUG Themes

All good, Brian!
J

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> On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:12 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
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> G'day all
> 
> Here's the final list.  Milk Wilson is convinced that imagination is not dead 
> at
> the PDML so "Sonorous Interiors" is included.  We will see...
> 
> Gathering
> Heat
> Red
> Sonorous Interiors
> Trees
> Abstract
> Waterfalls
> Four-Legged Friends
> Seascapes
> Silhouette
> Curves
> Minimalist
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Brian
> 
> ++
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Re: PESO: Waterbuck Bull

Lethal appearing fella!
Nicely shot, Alan!
J

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> On Oct 13, 2018, at 11:26 PM, Alan Cole  wrote:
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> Taken from the low level bridge at Balule on the Olifants River.
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/45305935631/
> 
> K5 & the Sigma 170-500DG @ 370mm
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Re: PESO (2): pied bush chat

Both well composed shots, Subash.
J

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> 
> a small passerine bird that's pretty common in the countryside, about
> the size of a sparrow. the black one is the male and the brown one
> female:
> 
> http://something-feathered.in/2018/10/14/mr-mrs-pied-bush-chat/
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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Re: PESO: shikra

The usual well chosen composition.
Totally well done image, Subash!

J


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> one more from the birding session today:
> 
> http://something-feathered.in/2018/10/14/shikra-once-more/
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Re: PESO: A splodge of Hippos

The usual clean detailed image.
"Splodge" seem to suit the scene.
J

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> On 14/10/18, Alan Cole, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Hippos sunbathing below Olifants Camp. Range about 200m, cropped. These are
>> some of the survivors. Hippo mortality has been high after 3 drought years.
>> There is precious little for them to eat. A couple of Egyptian Geese in
>> there too.
>> No crocs.
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/45260654172/
>> 
>> K5 & the Sigma 170-500 & 170mm
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> Good shot. Would love a wider crop showing more of the habitat.
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Re: 2019 - PUG Themes

> On 14 October 2018 at 11:21 Steve Cottrell  wrote:
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> >> >Milk Wilson is convinced that imagination is not dead at
> >> >the PDML
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> >> He's the cream of the crop
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> >Never thought I had the bottle.
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> He does have good feet, doesn't lactose.

I used to be gold top

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Re: PESO: A splodge of Hippos

On 14/10/18, Alan Cole, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Hippos sunbathing below Olifants Camp. Range about 200m, cropped. These are
>some of the survivors. Hippo mortality has been high after 3 drought years.
>There is precious little for them to eat. A couple of Egyptian Geese in
>there too.
>No crocs.
>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/45260654172/
>
>K5 & the Sigma 170-500 & 170mm

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Re: 2019 - PUG Themes

>> 
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>> >the PDML
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>Never thought I had the bottle.

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Re: PESO: A splodge of Hippos

> On 14 October 2018 at 11:05 Alan Cole  wrote:
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> 
> Hippos sunbathing below Olifants Camp. Range about 200m, cropped. These are
> some of the survivors. Hippo mortality has been high after 3 drought years.
> There is precious little for them to eat. A couple of Egyptian Geese in
> there too.
> No crocs.

One of those rocks at the top of the centre right bunch looks a bit suspicious 
to me.  But I suppose the hippos wouldn't tolerate one that close to their 
young.

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Re: PESO - Mottled umber





Den 13.10.2018 21:37, skrev Ken Waller:

Looks like a stealth fighter. A little more room to the right hand edge would 
suit me if it were mine.


I agree. With live specimens I have limited control over where they 
choose to sit. This one settled a little too close to the dvd centre so 
I had to crop this way.


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Re: PESO - Mottled umber





Den 14.10.2018 10:10, skrev Steve Cottrell:


Amazing. Reminds me of a rug for in front of the fire ;-)



LOL,
well, yeah. There's a thought. ;-)

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Re: PESO - Mottled umber





Den 14.10.2018 00:51, skrev Brian Walters:


A hundred shots?  Bloody hell!

Great detail - especially the fine hairs on the antennae.  And the reflection is
the icing on the cake.


Thanks Brian,
It's automated. Got a thingy called "stackshot" that triggers and moves 
the camera.

So as long as the insect hold still, it' no problem.

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Re: PESO - Mottled umber


Thanks Dan,
Ann pointed out to me that this is technically a moth. Something lost in 
translation from Norwegian there...


Jostein

Den 13.10.2018 21:36, skrev Daniel J. Matyola:

A butterfly?  Strange critter;  delta wing shape, reminiscent of some
futuristic fighter jet.

I like the detail in the wings, and the reflection works very well, in my
view.

Another fine Macro.

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On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 1:38 PM Jostein  wrote:



https://www.flickr.com/photos/alunfoto/44382387665/in/album-72157651227461041/

Another sixlegged thingy. 645D, A-120/macro. ISO 200, f/8 and stacked
from about a hundred shots with Zerene stacker.

So now I have a butterfly on DVD-R. :-)

Jostein

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Den 13.10.2018 19:40, skrev l...@red4est.com:

Excellent job on the background!


Hehe.
Had to find _some_ use for them. :-)

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PESO: A splodge of Hippos

2018-10-14 Thread Alan Cole

Hippos sunbathing below Olifants Camp. Range about 200m, cropped. These are
some of the survivors. Hippo mortality has been high after 3 drought years.
There is precious little for them to eat. A couple of Egyptian Geese in
there too.
No crocs.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/45260654172/

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Re: This is at least somewhat amusing...

> On 14 October 2018 at 00:30 "P. J. Alling"  wrote:
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> 
> 
> On 10/13/2018 9:31 AM, mike wilson wrote:
> >> On 13 October 2018 at 13:43 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> It's a misprint of dévot. They were a kind of hard-right Catholic puritan 
> >> cabal, most notably the Company of the Holy Sacrament, of 17th-century 
> >> France, with a fanatical devotion to Pope, who took it upon themselves to 
> >> guarantee the doctrinal purity of France in the face of Protestantism and 
> >> Jansenism.
> >>
> >> Leica purists insist that a modern-day dévot accompany each camera sold, 
> >> to ensure the purity and correctness of its use.
> >>
> > This from the birthplace of Protestantism?  What is the world coming to?  
> > Next it will be Italian cars with accessories nailed to them.
> Doesn't that describe the Soviet produced version of the FIAT 124?
> 

I thought it was more a left-field description of one of the (alleged) actions 
of Martin Luther near the beginning of the reformation.

At least the Russian versions of the FIATs did not have rust holes in the 
showroom - seen with my own eyes.

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Re: 2019 - PUG Themes

> On 14 October 2018 at 09:06 Steve Cottrell  wrote:
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> He's the cream of the crop

Never thought I had the bottle.

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PESO: shikra

2018-10-14 Thread Subash Jeyan

one more from the birding session today:

http://something-feathered.in/2018/10/14/shikra-once-more/

comments appreciated.

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Re: PESO - Mottled umber

On 13/10/18, Jostein, discombobulated, unleashed:

>https://www.flickr.com/photos/alunfoto/44382387665/in/album-72157651227461041/
>
>Another sixlegged thingy. 645D, A-120/macro. ISO 200, f/8 and stacked 
>from about a hundred shots with Zerene stacker.

Amazing. Reminds me of a rug for in front of the fire ;-)

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Re: GESO open studio

On 13/10/18, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>This is the weekend of the Santa Cruz Open Studios.  I decided that it 
>was a good opportunity to put a sign out and see if anyone stops by.
>The answer being that I didn't get anyone stop by from the signage and 
>timing.  The good news is that it was good practice, I learned some of 
>the pitfalls and I didn't spend nearly as much money making the mistakes 
>I did as if I had submitted and paid to be in the official event.  I did 
>actually sell a couple of metal prints to friends for a very small margin.
>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157700837574151

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>Milk Wilson is convinced that imagination is not dead at
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PESO (2): pied bush chat

2018-10-14 Thread Subash Jeyan

a small passerine bird that's pretty common in the countryside, about
the size of a sparrow. the black one is the male and the brown one
female:

http://something-feathered.in/2018/10/14/mr-mrs-pied-bush-chat/

comments appreciated.



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Re: GESO open studio