Re: OT: Cross Processing Q (and and!)
Hi Mark, I was experimenting with cross processing a while ago and tried Elitechrome 200, Ektachrome 160T, 320T and 100 Plus. All rated two stops over. Elitechrome didn't yield very pleasing results with a loud green hue. From other accounts, I've heard 160T should produce a pinkish hue (which I didn't want) so I made a request at the lab that they reduce magenta, and the results I didn't mind too much. My results with 320T produced significantly different results in different lighting conditions. Bright subjects taken from the shade had a slight pinkish tone and had an aged newspaper look, while in bright sun, metal looked chromy and radiant and skies became noticeably bluer (similar to when using a polariser). 100 Plus gave pleasing results (if you're into the somewhat stereotyped high saturation, high contrast, deep shadows, fashion mag type shots) although in quite a few shots where there was strong contrast between colours, a purplish/magenta ink seemed to leak across (halation? Well you can see what I mean in my first example, between his sleeve and skin. There's an out of place purple splotch). Oh the site is: http://home.iprimus.com.au/heygoose/xp/xproc.htm I put it together just now in PSCS (automated galleries.. handy) specially to reply to this email! I don't think there is a particular 'expected result' of a tungsten balanced film, but you could say there's an expected result of a specific film. For example Elitechrome would always give you that green hue (though you can choose to get them to colour balance it, which some might say moots the x-processing exercise) and you wouldn't expect to get the results EPP or Velvia give (similar results when crossed.. I like). Also unless someone here has specifically tried crossing out of date ISO 60 daylight film (results very manufacturer to manufacturer too because of different emulsions used), I don't think you'll get a straight answer. Perhaps shoot some then show and tell! Anyway, I hope some of this is useful to ya :-) Cheers, Ryan PS. Expired in 1988??? - Original Message - From: Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 12:16 PM Subject: Cross Processing Q I went out shooting yesterday, and on impulse took a couple of rolls of Kodak E160-T, tungsten balanced slide film. I found this at my father's house last summer - it had expired in 1988. I assume it was not good for it's intended purpose, so I thought I'd shoot it and have it cross processed as standard negative film. The results - well, when scanned as a negative it looks a lot like a regular color photo. A bit grainy and some subtle changes in the colors, but nothing outlandish. the film looks a lot like a color negative - even has an orange cast to the blank areas. Is this expected result with a tungsten balanced film? I have a few similarly out of date rolls of an ISO 60 daylight balanced film - what will that do if cross processed? TIA - MCC - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI http://www.markcassino.com -
Cross Processing Q
I went out shooting yesterday, and on impulse took a couple of rolls of Kodak E160-T, tungsten balanced slide film. I found this at my father's house last summer - it had expired in 1988. I assume it was not good for it's intended purpose, so I thought I'd shoot it and have it cross processed as standard negative film. The results - well, when scanned as a negative it looks a lot like a regular color photo. A bit grainy and some subtle changes in the colors, but nothing outlandish. the film looks a lot like a color negative - even has an orange cast to the blank areas. Is this expected result with a tungsten balanced film? I have a few similarly out of date rolls of an ISO 60 daylight balanced film - what will that do if cross processed? TIA - MCC - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI http://www.markcassino.com -
Cross processing question
What would be the results of processing C-41 film in BW chemicals? I know that processing BW in C-41 bleaches out all the silver, but don't know about going the other way. Bill
Re: Cross processing question
- Original Message - From: Bill Owens Subject: Cross processing question What would be the results of processing C-41 film in BW chemicals? I know that processing BW in C-41 bleaches out all the silver, but don't know about going the other way. I tried it years ago with a C-22 film and it worked sort of. In theory, BW developer should develop the film just fine, but you may get wonky dye migrations because you don't have the organic solvents needed to allow them to move to the silver image, and of course, you aren't bleaching, so you will have both a dye image and a silver image layered on top of each other. Best advice I can give is to try it and get back to us with your thoughts. William Robb
Re: Cross Processing
Feroze Kistan wrote: This is the 3rd positive comment I got on velvia, is this film that good? It's good when you want deeply saturated transparencies with somewhat unnatural colors, which for me is only occasionally. I prefer the Ektachrome 100 transparency films for most work. However, Velvia does work well for cross processing. I rate it at ISO 40 when using it this way. Paul
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Brad Dobo wrote: Seems you either HATE Velvia or LOVE it. I love it personally. Just a note about inkjet printers, I'm glad you don't make copies anymore. I have this severe dislike of inkjets since they came out. I have occasion to see the portfolios of some very high end photographers at my place of work. These are the guys who get 10K a day just to shoot. Almost all of them print their portfolio photos on Epson inkjet printers. Paul Stenquist
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Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have occasion to see the portfolios of some very high end photographers at my place of work. These are the guys who get 10K a day just to shoot. Almost all of them print their portfolio photos on Epson inkjet printers. Paul Stenquist and what's more is the a plain Epson 820 printer for $150 list and sometimes available for $100 after rebate, is capable of doing that kind of quality too. unfortunately, with dye inks, they are not archival in lightfastness. Herb
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- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 5:10 AM Subject: Re: Cross Processing Brad Dobo wrote: Seems you either HATE Velvia or LOVE it. I love it personally. Just a note about inkjet printers, I'm glad you don't make copies anymore. I have this severe dislike of inkjets since they came out. I have occasion to see the portfolios of some very high end photographers at my place of work. These are the guys who get 10K a day just to shoot. Almost all of them print their portfolio photos on Epson inkjet printers. Paul Stenquist I don't doubt the truth of what you say. Just myself, I hate the #$#@ things. :)
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- Original Message - From: Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 1:30 PM Subject: Re: Cross Processing Seems you either HATE Velvia or LOVE it. I love it personally. Just a note about inkjet printers, I'm glad you don't make copies anymore. I have this severe dislike of inkjets since they came out. I always went with a more commercial dot-matrix. And now use laser printers. - Original Message - From: Feroze Kistan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 6:47 AM Subject: Re: Cross Processing I don't print inkjet copies anymore, they don't last long enough, arn't waterproof and the cost involved. To print from a neg costs me ZAR1.10 (USD .10) and from a digital camera or disk ZAR3.50 (USD .33) for jumbo with border on matt. Laminating the print for me has never worked. Constant handling seperates the laminate from the paper. I kinda like the idea of make cheap prints to give people but I always retain the negs even on commercial shoots unless the client buys it from me. This is the 3rd positive comment I got on velvia, is this film that good? - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 8:15 PM Subject: Re: Cross Processing Of course you can scan the cross-processed negative and print it on an inkjet machine. Here's a scan of cross-processed Velvia. It prints rather well on my Epson. The computer is a great tool when you're working with unusual situations that you don't want to trust to a lab. http://pug.komkon.org/01oct/helleng.html Albano Garcia wrote: Yes, they print the same way, except the xprocessed slides, now negs, doesn't have a color base, they are transparent instead of yellow-brown of C41 negative, and also lacks bar code info, not allowing full auto printing, needing manual procedures. You'll not have problems with the kind of lab you are using (the same kind I'm using here) Regards Albano --- Feroze Kistan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's 3 labs I use one is pro only, and they will do what ever you ask, one serves both pro consumer and one is consumer only. All 3 are owned by full time professional photographers and wont refuse any request even if you just want to see what would happen if you tried this Are slide trannies printed out the same way as negs? Feroze - Original Message - From: Albano Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 9:57 PM Subject: Re: Cross Processing high saturated colors, like Fuji Velvia or Kodak E100VS, or Kodak Elite chrome Extra Color. Simply meter as accurate as possible, or bracket. Then throw it at the lab and ask for get it C41 processed. Sometimes they make you sign a form authorizing it, because it could be considered destroying your pics if you want regular processing. Also, have in mind that possibilities at printing stage are endless, so it´s possible to receive very varying results when you print enlargements. Sometimes they filter colour, sometimes not, sometimes they make them clearer or darker. I suggest you to ask them for NOt filtering and saturated dense colors. = Albano Garcia El Pibe Asahi __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com
Re[2]: Cross Processing
I find Velvia to be good when the lighting is very flat and colors naturally de-saturate. Bad weather days, very early morning, etc. Then the film compensates quite well. Otherwise it does make everything look a bit too strong. Agfa RSX, Fuji Provia F and the Kodak Ektachromes are all good general purpose films. I just consider Velvia to be a specialty film to be used when conditions are right - or was that wrong... Bruce Saturday, October 19, 2002, 2:06:22 AM, you wrote: PS Feroze Kistan wrote: This is the 3rd positive comment I got on velvia, is this film that good? PS It's good when you want deeply saturated transparencies with somewhat PS unnatural colors, which for me is only occasionally. I prefer the PS Ektachrome 100 transparency films for most work. However, Velvia does PS work well for cross processing. I rate it at ISO 40 when using it this way. PS Paul
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Herb, I threw my 820 in the trash recently. When it worked, it produced great photos - but the heads would clog easily and I used lots of ink to try to clear them. One real downside to Epson is that the heads are not user replaceable. One bad clog and it's back to Epson to get it fixed. When you only pay $100 in the first place, it isn't even worth it to get fixed. The 820 followed an Epson 785 thrown in the trash for the same problem. Both inexpensive to purchase, both poor quality materials. I still have an old Epson 870 that is running just fine. Now my main printer is a new HP 7350. It is adequate for the occasional print. I have found that my local lab that has 2 Agfa D-Labs (similar to Fuji Frontier - seems to be better control - maybe operator). They can print my stuff as cheap and far better at color correction than I am. Bruce Saturday, October 19, 2002, 6:26:14 AM, you wrote: HC Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have occasion to see the portfolios of some very high end HC photographers at my place of work. These are the guys who get 10K a day HC just to shoot. Almost all of them print their portfolio photos on Epson HC inkjet printers. HC Paul Stenquist HC and what's more is the a plain Epson 820 printer for $150 list and HC sometimes available for $100 after rebate, is capable of doing that kind of HC quality too. unfortunately, with dye inks, they are not archival in HC lightfastness. HC Herb
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Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] My average files for an A4 is 35MB, by the time its ripped its about 250MB, havn't found an inkjet printer that can handle that, If you get a chance please find out what model they are using and what the per page cost is Thanks Feroze sometimes, it is a matter of software. there is software for full matchprint printing on Epson professional printers and you have to use special media. it is just as expensive as regular match prints. also,i don't know what size has to do with it. i regularly send 100MB or larger files to my Epson printer and it just takes longer. my Postscript RIP produces files that are comparable in size when i send them to the same printer. files that are for large format Epson professional printers regularly exceed a gigabyte in size. Herb
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Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Herb, I threw my 820 in the trash recently. When it worked, it produced great photos - but the heads would clog easily and I used lots of ink to try to clear them. One real downside to Epson is that the heads are not user replaceable. One bad clog and it's back to Epson to get it fixed. When you only pay $100 in the first place, it isn't even worth it to get fixed. The 820 followed an Epson 785 thrown in the trash for the same problem. Both inexpensive to purchase, both poor quality materials. that is a problem that i used to run into with the 600 i had. i have not had such problems with my 1270, but i also print at least a couple of times a week on it, so the heads never sit idle that long. a well known nature photographer in the area prints to silver halide paper only when a client demands it. otherwise, he uses and sells exhibition prints from his Epson Professional wide format printer. a couple of others in the area use other brands of printers for digital output and seldom use ordinary photographic enlargment anymore. the reason is simply that once you have tweaked an image to the point where you are certain it is a good as you can get, you can deliver it consistently. for photographers selling fine art prints, the consistency is really crucial. Herb.
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Hi Stan, I am aware of those models, thought there was something new on the market. Its more than just the cost of the printer though which are very cheap, because they recover the costs on the sale of inkjet ink. But if you calculate the costs of each individual print it dosn't become economical. I get about 40 A4 (1440 dpi)pages from a set of cartridges. Its cheaper for me to buy a new printer everytime than to buy new cartridges A A3 laser costs me U$D 1.80, dye subs $13, Chromalin $12.50 per A5 which do think I'd go for? Feroze - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Cross Processing Most of the pros I've talked to use an Epson 1280 for printing their color portfolio shots. A few still use the 1200 and claim that the early inks yield nicer prints, although they're not as permanent. I've found that color inkjet prints are generally superior to wet prints. That's not true of BW, where wet is still the best by far, although I've seen some great BW prints that were made on an Epson 2000 with special inks and software. Now, keep in mind that most high dollar pro shooters have a dozen or so portfolios and circulate them widely. They know that some of them may be damaged and that could very well affect their choice of print materials and methodology. Dye sub prints might be superior to the inkjet prints, but I think they are also much more costly. I don't really know for sure. But I do know that inkjet prints are beautiful, and a lot of fun to make. All you need is a decent computer, a high end scanner, and a $400 printer. Paul Feroze Kistan wrote: Ask to see what that same print would look like on a dye sub printer. Take one of your scans and have it printed on a techtronic phase printer, or have a chromolin or rainbow print made and see the difference Maybe I should explain- I don't use my colour proofs for a single use or to show people. Most of my work is printed on a digital web machine. I am making anything from 20 000 80pg booklets to 250 000 full colour flyers. The web machine dosn't use positives but prints straight from disk to paper at 50 000 A2 sheets a hour. If I don't have a 98% accurate proof before I start I would have a mojor problem My average files for an A4 is 35MB, by the time its ripped its about 250MB, havn't found an inkjet printer that can handle that, If you get a chance please find out what model they are using and what the per page cost is Thanks Feroze
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Thats just the point, and its 35MB per page at an average of 80 pages works out to 2.8GB, you don't wan't to know what that is ripped. I can't wait a couple of days to get my proof. I get paid per hour as well. I'm assume you print at home. If you crash or hold up the que at at the print shop they'll kick you out Feroze - Original Message - From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 11:09 PM Subject: Re: Cross Processing Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] My average files for an A4 is 35MB, by the time its ripped its about 250MB, havn't found an inkjet printer that can handle that, If you get a chance please find out what model they are using and what the per page cost is Thanks Feroze sometimes, it is a matter of software. there is software for full matchprint printing on Epson professional printers and you have to use special media. it is just as expensive as regular match prints. also,i don't know what size has to do with it. i regularly send 100MB or larger files to my Epson printer and it just takes longer. my Postscript RIP produces files that are comparable in size when i send them to the same printer. files that are for large format Epson professional printers regularly exceed a gigabyte in size. Herb
Re: Cross Processing
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thats just the point, and its 35MB per page at an average of 80 pages works out to 2.8GB, you don't wan't to know what that is ripped. I can't wait a couple of days to get my proof. I get paid per hour as well. I'm assume you print at home. If you crash or hold up the que at at the print shop they'll kick you out Feroze bitmaps and high resolution take time. there is no getting around it. you have your choice of reducing resolution or taking more time. that is why there is preflight software. since you get paid per hour, you have to sacrifice quality. Herb...
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Herb Chong wrote: Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] My average files for an A4 is 35MB, by the time its ripped its about 250MB, havn't found an inkjet printer that can handle that, If you get a chance please find out what model they are using and what the per page cost is I print 250 megabyte scans on my inkjet all the time. No problem. Paul
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300 dpi on all my tiffs plus lenses and effects are printed as layers. A 300kb file can make a ripper crash by the way. All my pre-press is already done and this is what I 'm left with-can't sacrifice quality, accuracy is my most important desire Feroze - Original Message - From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 12:01 AM Subject: Re: Cross Processing Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thats just the point, and its 35MB per page at an average of 80 pages works out to 2.8GB, you don't wan't to know what that is ripped. I can't wait a couple of days to get my proof. I get paid per hour as well. I'm assume you print at home. If you crash or hold up the que at at the print shop they'll kick you out Feroze bitmaps and high resolution take time. there is no getting around it. you have your choice of reducing resolution or taking more time. that is why there is preflight software. since you get paid per hour, you have to sacrifice quality. Herb...
Re: Cross Processing
Yes, they print the same way, except the xprocessed slides, now negs, doesn't have a color base, they are transparent instead of yellow-brown of C41 negative, and also lacks bar code info, not allowing full auto printing, needing manual procedures. You'll not have problems with the kind of lab you are using (the same kind I'm using here) Regards Albano --- Feroze Kistan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's 3 labs I use one is pro only, and they will do what ever you ask, one serves both pro consumer and one is consumer only. All 3 are owned by full time professional photographers and wont refuse any request even if you just want to see what would happen if you tried this Are slide trannies printed out the same way as negs? Feroze - Original Message - From: Albano Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 9:57 PM Subject: Re: Cross Processing high saturated colors, like Fuji Velvia or Kodak E100VS, or Kodak Elite chrome Extra Color. Simply meter as accurate as possible, or bracket. Then throw it at the lab and ask for get it C41 processed. Sometimes they make you sign a form authorizing it, because it could be considered destroying your pics if you want regular processing. Also, have in mind that possibilities at printing stage are endless, so it´s possible to receive very varying results when you print enlargements. Sometimes they filter colour, sometimes not, sometimes they make them clearer or darker. I suggest you to ask them for NOt filtering and saturated dense colors. = Albano Garcia El Pibe Asahi __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com
Re: Cross Processing
Albano, Feroze and anyone interested. Cross processing the other way (negs in E6) makes no sense. I did this (in error) and since the result is a positive on a negative base you have everything more or less orange coloured. Nothing to write home about, IMO. BTW, I don't think there's a way to get rid of the base this way. HTH, Flavio
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I want it to look like its not real, thats my whole point. So what to I tell them to aim for then? Feroze - Original Message - From: Chris Brogden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 4:23 AM Subject: Re: Cross Processing On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Albano Garcia wrote: Sometimes they filter colour, sometimes not, sometimes they make them clearer or darker. I suggest you to ask them for NOt filtering and saturated dense colors. The best help you could give the printers is to tell them what to correct for: skin tones, or everything else. Some people want realistic-looking skin tones, which will make everything else look really funky, while others *want* that jaundice-yellow look to skin tones. I can tell you from behind-the-counter experience that people who expect one style generally aren't too happy when the opposite happens. chris
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Thanks Albano, I'll will just have to go and try this and see how it looks, all the advice is appreciated Feroze - Original Message - From: Albano Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 2:28 PM Subject: Re: Cross Processing Yes, they print the same way, except the xprocessed slides, now negs, doesn't have a color base, they are transparent instead of yellow-brown of C41 negative, and also lacks bar code info, not allowing full auto printing, needing manual procedures. You'll not have problems with the kind of lab you are using (the same kind I'm using here) Regards Albano --- Feroze Kistan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's 3 labs I use one is pro only, and they will do what ever you ask, one serves both pro consumer and one is consumer only. All 3 are owned by full time professional photographers and wont refuse any request even if you just want to see what would happen if you tried this Are slide trannies printed out the same way as negs? Feroze - Original Message - From: Albano Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 9:57 PM Subject: Re: Cross Processing high saturated colors, like Fuji Velvia or Kodak E100VS, or Kodak Elite chrome Extra Color. Simply meter as accurate as possible, or bracket. Then throw it at the lab and ask for get it C41 processed. Sometimes they make you sign a form authorizing it, because it could be considered destroying your pics if you want regular processing. Also, have in mind that possibilities at printing stage are endless, so it´s possible to receive very varying results when you print enlargements. Sometimes they filter colour, sometimes not, sometimes they make them clearer or darker. I suggest you to ask them for NOt filtering and saturated dense colors. = Albano Garcia El Pibe Asahi __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com
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Thats new to me, what I've read so far on cross processing indicates you can swing both ways. From my limited understanding theres 6 stages for E6 and 4 for C41. My objective is more surreal anyway. If I want to see what freaky colours I can get. I hat brown orange though. Thanks for the heads up Feroze - Original Message - From: Flavio Minelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 3:58 PM Subject: Re: Cross Processing Albano, Feroze and anyone interested. Cross processing the other way (negs in E6) makes no sense. I did this (in error) and since the result is a positive on a negative base you have everything more or less orange coloured. Nothing to write home about, IMO. BTW, I don't think there's a way to get rid of the base this way. HTH, Flavio
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Of course you can scan the cross-processed negative and print it on an inkjet machine. Here's a scan of cross-processed Velvia. It prints rather well on my Epson. The computer is a great tool when you're working with unusual situations that you don't want to trust to a lab. http://pug.komkon.org/01oct/helleng.html Albano Garcia wrote: Yes, they print the same way, except the xprocessed slides, now negs, doesn't have a color base, they are transparent instead of yellow-brown of C41 negative, and also lacks bar code info, not allowing full auto printing, needing manual procedures. You'll not have problems with the kind of lab you are using (the same kind I'm using here) Regards Albano --- Feroze Kistan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's 3 labs I use one is pro only, and they will do what ever you ask, one serves both pro consumer and one is consumer only. All 3 are owned by full time professional photographers and wont refuse any request even if you just want to see what would happen if you tried this Are slide trannies printed out the same way as negs? Feroze - Original Message - From: Albano Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 9:57 PM Subject: Re: Cross Processing high saturated colors, like Fuji Velvia or Kodak E100VS, or Kodak Elite chrome Extra Color. Simply meter as accurate as possible, or bracket. Then throw it at the lab and ask for get it C41 processed. Sometimes they make you sign a form authorizing it, because it could be considered destroying your pics if you want regular processing. Also, have in mind that possibilities at printing stage are endless, so it´s possible to receive very varying results when you print enlargements. Sometimes they filter colour, sometimes not, sometimes they make them clearer or darker. I suggest you to ask them for NOt filtering and saturated dense colors. = Albano Garcia El Pibe Asahi __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com
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Hi, Feroze. Thanks for comments. A Tirador Laser is the name of the band where Miguel Garcia (son of Charly Garcia, biggest rock star of Argentina) plays keyboards. No, they're not my family. Garcia is pretty common. Regarding xprocess. I made this comment because you asked about neg film, so I understood you wanted to xprocess neg film in E6 chemicals, wich is not the more common way to do things. If you want to do the classic Xprocess, I suggest you high saturated E6 films, so crossing them you get the strongest and weirdest effects. Just keep in mind to expose it accurately, since it's still slide film and it won't gain latitude because you process it as neg film. It's fun to do, and results can be very cool. You'll just gain the hate of the minilab guy (slide film doesn't have codes, so machine didn't recognize it, and he has to do it semi-manually) Regards and enjoy the Xprocess Albano --- Feroze Kistan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Albano oh, like your pics esp Miguel-A triadoe laser. (What does that mean Miiguel under the spotlight???) Unfortunately my cameras don't shoot black white so. I want to do E6 on negative film cause I want to make prints. Don't have a slide projector and don't want to carry my desktop with me either... Have no idea what a MTV video looks like, don't watch TV and the last music video I remember was Dire Straits's brothers in arms What I really mean't when I said digital was, do DSLR's have a filter like the BW or sepia ones that has that effect. I work 12-18 hours a day in front of a PC, designing, scanning and stuff. Of 1200 frames I have taken in the last 14 months 900 were pack shots. 300 were of my only niece. I want to do something creative with film, without resorting to artificial means. Am I making sense? Was thinking of hand colouring a BW print but after talking to anthony farr I knew I was not advanced enough yet. Within the next 6-10 months I am going to have to purchase a DSLR, but thats for work. I want to get into something special with film. shouldn't ask this but does anyone think I nuts? Thanks Feroze - Original Message - From: Albano Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 3:11 PM Subject: Re: Cross Processing Hi, Feroze I do X process but the most common way. Slide film processed in C41. You must keep in mind the film keeps the latitude properties of slide film, it doesn't become neg film. But it's fairly predictable in its results. The look is the one you can see in 100% of MTV music videos (directors are SO original). It can be done digitally using curves, I've seen good examples online, but I don't use curves, so I can't give you any tips about it. If you want to see some of my examples (9), go to http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=205913 The last ones are X processed Regards --- Feroze Kistan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone cross process here? I would prefer to hear from someone who uses negative film though, mainly which brand gave you the best results and what guidelines if any do you have for me. I know this is a hit or miss technique but I'm hoping to avoid a long learning process. I don't suppose you can do this with digital can you? Feroze BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:;[EMAIL PROTECTED] FN:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20021016T083950Z END:VCARD = Albano Garcia El Pibe Asahi __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com = Albano Garcia El Pibe Asahi __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com
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Hi Albano If you want to do the classic Xprocess, I suggest you high saturated E6 films, so crossing them you get the strongest and ok, i'll do the easy way then, I've never shot slide film before though. Please define high saturated and what preferably fuji film would that be.. Thanks Feroze
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high saturated colors, like Fuji Velvia or Kodak E100VS, or Kodak Elite chrome Extra Color. Simply meter as accurate as possible, or bracket. Then throw it at the lab and ask for get it C41 processed. Sometimes they make you sign a form authorizing it, because it could be considered destroying your pics if you want regular processing. Also, have in mind that possibilities at printing stage are endless, so it´s possible to receive very varying results when you print enlargements. Sometimes they filter colour, sometimes not, sometimes they make them clearer or darker. I suggest you to ask them for NOt filtering and saturated dense colors. Regards Albano --- Feroze Kistan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Albano If you want to do the classic Xprocess, I suggest you high saturated E6 films, so crossing them you get the strongest and ok, i'll do the easy way then, I've never shot slide film before though. Please define high saturated and what preferably fuji film would that be.. Thanks Feroze = Albano Garcia El Pibe Asahi __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com
Re: Cross Processing
There's 3 labs I use one is pro only, and they will do what ever you ask, one serves both pro consumer and one is consumer only. All 3 are owned by full time professional photographers and wont refuse any request even if you just want to see what would happen if you tried this Are slide trannies printed out the same way as negs? Feroze - Original Message - From: Albano Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 9:57 PM Subject: Re: Cross Processing high saturated colors, like Fuji Velvia or Kodak E100VS, or Kodak Elite chrome Extra Color. Simply meter as accurate as possible, or bracket. Then throw it at the lab and ask for get it C41 processed. Sometimes they make you sign a form authorizing it, because it could be considered destroying your pics if you want regular processing. Also, have in mind that possibilities at printing stage are endless, so it´s possible to receive very varying results when you print enlargements. Sometimes they filter colour, sometimes not, sometimes they make them clearer or darker. I suggest you to ask them for NOt filtering and saturated dense colors.
Cross Processing
Does anyone cross process here? I would prefer to hear from someone who uses negative film though, mainly which brand gave you the best results and what guidelines if any do you have for me. I know this is a hit or miss technique but I'm hoping to avoid a long learning process. I don't suppose you can do this with digital can you? Feroze BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:;[EMAIL PROTECTED] FN:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20021016T083950Z END:VCARD
Re: Cross Processing
Hi, Feroze I do X process but the most common way. Slide film processed in C41. You must keep in mind the film keeps the latitude properties of slide film, it doesn't become neg film. But it's fairly predictable in its results. The look is the one you can see in 100% of MTV music videos (directors are SO original). It can be done digitally using curves, I've seen good examples online, but I don't use curves, so I can't give you any tips about it. If you want to see some of my examples (9), go to http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=205913 The last ones are X processed Regards --- Feroze Kistan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone cross process here? I would prefer to hear from someone who uses negative film though, mainly which brand gave you the best results and what guidelines if any do you have for me. I know this is a hit or miss technique but I'm hoping to avoid a long learning process. I don't suppose you can do this with digital can you? Feroze BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:;[EMAIL PROTECTED] FN:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20021016T083950Z END:VCARD = Albano Garcia El Pibe Asahi __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com
Re: Cross Processing
Thanks for that link. You just saved me a lot of trial and error. I am quite sure that it is possible to reproduce the effects of cross processing digitally. You only need to know how the cross processing affects the different colours of the negative to reproduce the effect on the computer. I found some information here: http://www.bjphoto.co.uk/cross.shtml . It is written by Martin Evening, who has published books about digital manipulation of photographs if my memory serves me well. Yves - Dr. Yves Caudano Laboratoire LASMOS Département de Physique Facultés Universitaires Notre-Dame de la Paix 61 Rue de Bruxelles B-5000 Namur Belgium [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel : + 32 (0)81 72 5487 fax : 4707 URL : http://www.scf.fundp.ac.be/~ycaudano/ Lasmos laboratory URL : http://www.fundp.ac.be/sciences/physique/lasmos/ Photography website : http://www.yvescaudano.be __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com
Re: Cross Processing - Recovery Possible?
On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:47:44 -0500, you wrote: Has anyone successfully digitally recovered from this kind of mess ? Is it possible to recover or should I just toss the film and move on? I don't know about every case of cross-processing, but this scan is very close to fully recovered. Don't toss the roll. I made some minor adjustments to the levels curve (Image - Adjust - Levels - Red (then Green), in effect removing some Red and Green, and I personally liked the result very much. I would not have known it was improperly processed. I've recovered a lot of junk using Photoshop, mostly old 110 film from way back when. When I can't recover the original colors effectively, I try to convert it to something artsy-fartsy with boldly shifted colors. -- Happy Trails, Texdance http://members.fortunecity.com/texdance http://members1.clubphoto.com/john8202 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Cross Processing - Recovery Possible?
- Original Message - From: "tom" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 17, 2001 4:00 PM Subject: Re: Cross Processing - Recovery Possible? What's C-4? Thats the plastique explosive Mark is going to use at the local drug store for willfully wrecking his film. HAR Wheatfield Willie tv Mark Cassino wrote: I accidently brought a roll of C-4 slide film to the local drugstore instead of the C-41 I intended to bring. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Cross Processing - Recovery Possible?
- Original Message - From: "Mark Cassino" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 17, 2001 3:47 PM Subject: Cross Processing - Recovery Possible? I presume you mean E-6. If you can scan it with a blank strip of C-41 film in place, you will get better results. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
