Re: DSLR future wish-list
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:47:24 +0300, Boris Liberman wrote: Bluetooh is either forbidden in Israel or was forbidden until quite recently. BT is competing with WiFi and so on. The keyword however is high-end. That seems to be the case in the US, at least with regard to consumer electronics. All of the stuff I see with Bluetooth is either high-end or techno-gizmos I don't have a use for (or both). What I want from Bluetooth is to get rid of that rats nest of wiring in my stereo system. Leave the speaker wires, but get rid of all of the line level interconnects. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Re: DSLR future wish-list
Interesting, Bluetooth (infrared wireless) never took off in the US. Oh the consumer devices are there, my cel-phone has it, but the devices it connects to have never been installed in most areas. It is now pretty much considered obsoleted by WiFi. -- Nick Clark wrote: Bluetooth is not what I'd call rare. I'm on my third BT phone and have most high end PDAs have it included. Millions of BT phones were sold in the UK last year. It's not made it to many cameras, but once it does I guess it would be possible to send a picture to an email account (need to be a small copy), to a printer, even to a photofinishe . Whether there'd be any advantage to just passing the CF over is another matter! I can see your control option being useful though. Nick. -Original Message- From: Boris Liberman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13/01/04 19:17:13 To: John Francis[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DSLR future wish-list Hi! I think it is a matter of year or two when wireless tech (Blue Tooth, WiFi, etc) would become standard feature of even relatively cheap PDAs. Then it would be probably incorporated into most DSLRs thereby giving you what you want. The tech is there. It is a little expensive and just a little rare these days. But, very soon, it'd stop being this way... Boris -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, graywolf wrote: Interesting, Bluetooth (infrared wireless) never took off in the US. Oh the consumer devices are there, my cel-phone has it, but the devices it connects to have never been installed in most areas. It is now pretty much considered obsoleted by WiFi. Hmmm... it sounds to me like you're mixing things up here. Bluetooth is not infrared. It is a replacement for infrared; connecting your own different devices faster then IR and without the line-of-sight limitation of IR. You don't need any installation in the area, like cell phone service and WiFi. Bluetooth connects *your* PDA with *your* cell phone with *your* wireless headset. Bluetooth does not connect your devices to any outside network. So if all the consumer devices have it, it's only to start using it. anders - http://anders.hultman.nu/ nu med dagens bild
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Doug Franklin wrote: What I want from Bluetooth is to get rid of that rats nest of wiring in my stereo system. Leave the speaker wires, but get rid of all of the line level interconnects. Bluetooth won't help you there - it doesn't have enough bandwidth for uncompressed audio. S
OT: Bluetooth (was Re: DSLR future wish-list)
Anders Hultman wrote: You don't need any installation in the area, like cell phone service and WiFi. Bluetooth connects *your* PDA with *your* cell phone with *your* wireless headset. Bluetooth does not connect your devices to any outside network. So if all the consumer devices have it, it's only to start using it. You can connect WiFi devices together without any installation either: ad-hoc connections are part of the standard. S
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OK, so I am out of date here. When I first heard of bluetooth there were things like connection to the coke machine, atm, etc. Seems I like the first info was kind of exagerated as usual. I had not checked up on it since because I felt no need for it. So I guess I was wrong about just what it is. -- Anders Hultman wrote: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, graywolf wrote: Interesting, Bluetooth (infrared wireless) never took off in the US. Oh the consumer devices are there, my cel-phone has it, but the devices it connects to have never been installed in most areas. It is now pretty much considered obsoleted by WiFi. Hmmm... it sounds to me like you're mixing things up here. Bluetooth is not infrared. It is a replacement for infrared; connecting your own different devices faster then IR and without the line-of-sight limitation of IR. You don't need any installation in the area, like cell phone service and WiFi. Bluetooth connects *your* PDA with *your* cell phone with *your* wireless headset. Bluetooth does not connect your devices to any outside network. So if all the consumer devices have it, it's only to start using it. anders - http://anders.hultman.nu/ nu med dagens bild -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
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Hi, OK, so I am out of date here. When I first heard of bluetooth there were things like connection to the coke machine, atm, etc. Seems I like the first info was kind of exagerated as usual. you walk within a few feet of a Coke machine. A bottle drops out and charges your credit card. Then you walk past an ATM and it dispenses your usual cash withdrawal. All the clipboard-carrying charity collectors fight the wasted junkies to get to it first. After that you walk past a cellphone shop; the kiosk inside detects your camera, prints 2 copies of all 10,000 images you thought you'd deleted, and debits your current account. It'll be great for the economy. Consumers will protest about it though, so the politicians (who are all non-executive directors of banks and telcos) will introduce an opt-in bill. After weeks of philibustering and hundreds of amendments they'll pass it as an opt-out act. If you don't want Bluetooth machines debiting you everytime you go within 5 yards of them, you will need to visit each machine and type in your personal opt-out id, and PIN. For security reasons each device will require you to have a different id and PIN. When you get home you find 17 trucks queuing up outside your house waiting to delivery 120 tons of maize and soya beans. Your fridge ordered £10- worth of mixed, fresh vegetables, but you were the only person in the country who guessed wrong when it was time to tick the 'uncheck if you don't want to enter opt-out of non-GM radiation-enhanced foods non-receival mode' box. So they've sent it all to you. What a great world. Earlier today I was deleting junk email on my PC when my home phone rang. I picked it up and it was somebody cold-calling, trying to find out how much I paid for my mobile. Just then the mobile vibrated; I looked at it - it was a junk call. Somebody knocked on the door. I got rid of the cold caller on my landline, waded through the free newspapers, pizza and curry menus someone had shoved through the letterbox earlier and opened the door. Somebody wanting to sell me washing-up brushes at exorbitant prices. For over 5 minutes I did nothing but fend off the crap we're assaulted with. Jeez! What a wonderful world we've built for ourselves. -- Cheers, Bob
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Wow, Bob, I was laughing so hard I had to get up and take a break in the middle of your post. Still got tears in me eyes. -- Bob W wrote: Hi, OK, so I am out of date here. When I first heard of bluetooth there were things like connection to the coke machine, atm, etc. Seems I like the first info was kind of exagerated as usual. you walk within a few feet of a Coke machine. A bottle drops out and charges your credit card. Then you walk past an ATM and it dispenses your usual cash withdrawal. All the clipboard-carrying charity collectors fight the wasted junkies to get to it first. After that you walk past a cellphone shop; the kiosk inside detects your camera, prints 2 copies of all 10,000 images you thought you'd deleted, and debits your current account. It'll be great for the economy. Consumers will protest about it though, so the politicians (who are all non-executive directors of banks and telcos) will introduce an opt-in bill. After weeks of philibustering and hundreds of amendments they'll pass it as an opt-out act. If you don't want Bluetooth machines debiting you everytime you go within 5 yards of them, you will need to visit each machine and type in your personal opt-out id, and PIN. For security reasons each device will require you to have a different id and PIN. When you get home you find 17 trucks queuing up outside your house waiting to delivery 120 tons of maize and soya beans. Your fridge ordered £10- worth of mixed, fresh vegetables, but you were the only person in the country who guessed wrong when it was time to tick the 'uncheck if you don't want to enter opt-out of non-GM radiation-enhanced foods non-receival mode' box. So they've sent it all to you. What a great world. Earlier today I was deleting junk email on my PC when my home phone rang. I picked it up and it was somebody cold-calling, trying to find out how much I paid for my mobile. Just then the mobile vibrated; I looked at it - it was a junk call. Somebody knocked on the door. I got rid of the cold caller on my landline, waded through the free newspapers, pizza and curry menus someone had shoved through the letterbox earlier and opened the door. Somebody wanting to sell me washing-up brushes at exorbitant prices. For over 5 minutes I did nothing but fend off the crap we're assaulted with. Jeez! What a wonderful world we've built for ourselves. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
RE: DSLR future wish-list
There are two items I'd add to the list: 1 - fix the TTL flash exposure bug (or has this been fixed?) 2 - add a menu option to make a small (640x360 or even 320x180) copy of an Raw image (or large jpg) onto the CF. I can then pop the CF in a PDA and email it via a mobile phone. Postcards from holiday, sample images etc. Nick. -Original Message- From: Rob Studdert[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/01/04 06:02:34 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DSLR future wish-list I just put up a page containing my set of wishes for future hardware and firmware updates. We might as well be pro-active: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/Pentax_digi_wish-list/ Anyone have anything to add, discuss or dispute? Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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Hi! JF That's not a lot of good when I'm 400 miles from home, and my camera JF is about 20' away from me on a bracket (and somewhere where I'm not JF allowed to stand). I'm just looking for a remote equivalent of the JF LCD screen on the back of the camera, which is perfectly good enough JF for checking exposure with the histogram, and something I don't want JF to give up if I don't have to. That's the purpose under discussion, JF and I think even a 320x240 PDA would be good enough for that. JF The instant exposure check with the histogram (and even focus check by JF zooming in to part of the resultant image) is a valuable part of the JF benefits from a digital camera, and not something to discard lightly. I think it is a matter of year or two when wireless tech (Blue Tooth, WiFi, etc) would become standard feature of even relatively cheap PDAs. Then it would be probably incorporated into most DSLRs thereby giving you what you want. The tech is there. It is a little expensive and just a little rare these days. But, very soon, it'd stop being this way... Boris
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Could you use those universal programmable remote controls for TV, VCR etc? Problem is how to program it. On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 09:44, Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! I wonder how long it wil be before we have a wireless remote control complete with LCD? Even a wired one would be nice, sometimes; there are several times when I can't stand where I'd like to for a shot. It is there. Just not long ago someone posted how to turn one's Palm Pilot into Pentax IR Remote... It only remains to enrich the protocol with functions more interesting than mere shutter release g. Boris -- Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Frits Wüthrich a écrit: Could you use those universal programmable remote controls for TV, VCR etc? Problem is how to program it. You can use it, if the remote know a code for 'Pentax VCR' Michel
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Anders Hultman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Rob Studdert wrote: Copyright data could be embedded in the EXIF data (or most preferably IPTC/NAA). The point is that if you put it there and someone uses or edits your image and strips the data then you can always refer to the original document if copyright is being disputed. Couldn't they just insert their own copyright data and claim you're the one forging it? Then you could retaliate by changing the date in your EXIF data to predate *that*! (Easy to do with a hex editor. Which makes the whole exercise kind of pointless, really.) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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On 12 Jan 2004 at 8:41, Anders Hultman wrote: Couldn't they just insert their own copyright data and claim you're the one forging it? I suppose they could but they'd likely be hard pressed to provide the out-takes from the series as evidence :-) Simple enough request and one that would save me from forgetting to add it later as sometimes happens. I'll deal with the problem of this type of information being volatile when the time comes. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 03:18:59 -0500 (EST), John Francis wrote: I wonder how long it wil be before we have a wireless remote control complete with LCD? Even a wired one would be nice, sometimes; there are several times when I can't stand where I'd like to for a shot. Well, John, Sony (I think) already makes one for TVs, stereos, etc. I think it's a learning remote, so it could possibly be set up to send the right codes for the camera. I believe that it also can put a script on each button, but I'm not familiar enough with it to know if it will do what you want. I do know that it usually goes for US$ 150-200 around here, so it's a little pricey. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12 Jan 2004 at 8:41, Anders Hultman wrote: Couldn't they just insert their own copyright data and claim you're the one forging it? I suppose they could but they'd likely be hard pressed to provide the out-takes from the series as evidence :-) Simple enough request and one that would save me from forgetting to add it later as sometimes happens. I'll deal with the problem of this type of information being volatile when the time comes. I really like the suggestion (first floated in a PDML post, I believe) of cropping your images slightly before publishing them or putting them on the web. A copyright violator would be unable to provide the missing information in the outside edge of the original. (Indeed, he wouldn't even be aware of it.) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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My (future) wishes really haven't changed: 1. Make CF port more generic, not just memory. -- allow for network cards. 2. Set network login name/password. (so someone isn't listening!) 3. Select the default port for transfer. 4. Immediate transfer after taking shot. 5. Lightweight, low power, external high-capacity storage. Like 20 gig CF teathered but just in my pocket. Collin
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Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 03:18:59 -0500 (EST), John Francis wrote: I wonder how long it wil be before we have a wireless remote control complete with LCD? Even a wired one would be nice, sometimes; there are several times when I can't stand where I'd like to for a shot. Well, John, Sony (I think) already makes one for TVs, stereos, etc. I think it's a learning remote, so it could possibly be set up to send the right codes for the camera. I believe that it also can put a script on each button, but I'm not familiar enough with it to know if it will do what you want. I do know that it usually goes for US$ 150-200 around here, so it's a little pricey. here's a page of learning remotes, some as little as $22.95 http://shop.store.yahoo.com/eenidmarket/audio-video-home-office-remote-controls-learning.html -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Is that a 20 gig CF card in your pocket or are you happy to see me? (This will date people.) Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/12/04 09:31AM My (future) wishes really haven't changed: 1. Make CF port more generic, not just memory. -- allow for network cards. 2. Set network login name/password. (so someone isn't listening!) 3. Select the default port for transfer. 4. Immediate transfer after taking shot. 5. Lightweight, low power, external high-capacity storage. Like 20 gig CF teathered but just in my pocket. Collin
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Hi! JF You missed the most important part: ... complete with LCD. JF I know I can trigger the shutter release - I don't even need a Palm JF Pilot (or other PDA) for that. I want to be able to look at the JF resulting image, histogram display, etc. I don't think we'll see JF that on the *ist-D, but I'd like to see it on a future camera model. Indeed I did miss that. That is I rather misunderstood you. You see, the highest modern PDA can go is either 320x240 (soon to be 640x480 or thereabouts) or 480x320... I don't know about you, but none of the above looks any reasonable to me for the purpose in discussion. So it kind of never occurred to me that you meant *that* g. I think that if I were rich enough to buy *istD or similar, I'd also buy big enough a card and shoot like crazy. Then I would review my stuff on the screen of my PC. At least, it is 17 and can do 1600x1200 if I ask nicely g. It is 1152x864 by default... But the most expensive MF digi backs use iPAQs as viewfinders and such. So, I estimate in no more than two years, enablement of this kind would be possible... Boris P.S. I just occurred to me that it would be Enablement of the third kind - neither camera body, nor lens - a weird accessory g...
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Hi! JF You missed the most important part: ... complete with LCD. JF I know I can trigger the shutter release - I don't even need a Palm JF Pilot (or other PDA) for that. I want to be able to look at the JF resulting image, histogram display, etc. I don't think we'll see JF that on the *ist-D, but I'd like to see it on a future camera model. Indeed I did miss that. That is I rather misunderstood you. You see, the highest modern PDA can go is either 320x240 (soon to be 640x480 or thereabouts) or 480x320... I don't know about you, but none of the above looks any reasonable to me for the purpose in discussion. So it kind of never occurred to me that you meant *that* g. I think that if I were rich enough to buy *istD or similar, I'd also buy big enough a card and shoot like crazy. Then I would review my stuff on the screen of my PC. At least, it is 17 and can do 1600x1200 if I ask nicely g. It is 1152x864 by default... That's not a lot of good when I'm 400 miles from home, and my camera is about 20' away from me on a bracket (and somewhere where I'm not allowed to stand). I'm just looking for a remote equivalent of the LCD screen on the back of the camera, which is perfectly good enough for checking exposure with the histogram, and something I don't want to give up if I don't have to. That's the purpose under discussion, and I think even a 320x240 PDA would be good enough for that. The instant exposure check with the histogram (and even focus check by zooming in to part of the resultant image) is a valuable part of the benefits from a digital camera, and not something to discard lightly.
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2 violates EXIF naming convention. i doubt they would ever do that. i think the Kodak 14n does 1 already. a decent photo database does all three at once when you copy the files from the camera, if you want it to. Herb - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 4:31 AM Subject: Re: DSLR future wish-list Say, Pentax would also write (a pure piece of software at that) a program that would allow you to manage your camera from your PC. Say, you were to embark in a evening shoot on a wedding g. So, before you leave home, you would plug in your camera and set it up: 1. Set up some special copyright notice on every frame. You know, like (C) Boris Liberman with Love to A and B... 2. Set up prefix to each file name - ABWed-2004-01-01 instead of DCS or whatever they're using right now. 3. Probably do some other things in advance.
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not to mention that that is how you create folders with new names for directing your image files on the CF card. Herb - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 8:40 AM Subject: Re: DSLR future wish-list The camera has a joy-stick style interface so although painful you wouldn't necessarily need to hook up to a computer or pocket PC to set text as suggested.
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On 11 Jan 2004 at 18:26, John Francis wrote: Where? Actually in the image pixels? If not, then what happens if you import the image into some editor that drops this information? If actually in the pixels, do you move it to the correct edge when the camera is used in portrait mode? Not to mention cropping ... Copyright data could be embedded in the EXIF data (or most preferably IPTC/NAA). The point is that if you put it there and someone uses or edits your image and strips the data then you can always refer to the original document if copyright is being disputed. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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1. Set up some special copyright notice on every frame. You know, like (C) Boris Liberman with Love to A and B... JF Where? Actually in the image pixels? If not, then what happens if JF you import the image into some editor that drops this information? JF If actually in the pixels, do you move it to the correct edge when JF the camera is used in portrait mode? Not to mention cropping ... No, not in the image. Let it be configurable. Some would add frame, others would put it in, how you called it, EXIF data... 2. Set up prefix to each file name - ABWed-2004-01-01 instead of DCS or whatever they're using right now. JF That's a standards violation, I believe. Omnigosh g. Did not know there were an std already involved. But then I suppose it would be wrong to say that *istD (or any other such) support FAT32. FAT32, you know, allows for long file names... EvilG But then you're probably right. JF I did like the suggestion that the original file name should be JF stored in the EXIF data. I also like the way that the Canon (and, JF I believe, Nikon) software allow you to perform the sort of renaming JF you suggest as part of the copying from the CF card to the computer. JF Perhaps a little utility could be provided here that would: JF 1) Allow renaming as part of the copying JF 2) Add an EXIF tag with the original file name JF 3) [optional] create a database and/or log file entry listing JF selected EXIF information (user-configurable, of course). JF Any thoughts? I am afraid g I could even program it myself given enough time and money and tools g... John, my point was not to give very specific suggestions, but to illustrate that with the help of MAC (just for you, Cotty g) or PC or PDA more things could be done with the camera. I have a friend who's a professional photog using Nikon F5. He is known as a man who sets up his camera (probably sitting at home with F5 on the table and manual in his hands) before each of his shoots. Then he takes great care to make sure noone clicks any buttons while he is shooting, except him of course... We, simple ME Super and ZX-L users, have no such burden VBG. Boris
DSLR future wish-list
I just put up a page containing my set of wishes for future hardware and firmware updates. We might as well be pro-active: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/Pentax_digi_wish-list/ Anyone have anything to add, discuss or dispute? Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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Rob, I think you have most of it. One thing that bugs me relates to managing the flies weeks/months after shooting. Say I have the original saved, e.g., IMGP1722. I decided to do something with it, do a save-as as Brad-and-Jennifer-in-indiscrete-moment. A few weeks later Outdoor Life magazine sees the image on my web site and offers me $US12million for the rights if I can send them the original within 5 minutes. My problem is that I can't remember which IMGP file the modified shot came from. It would be nice to imbed the file name/sequence number in some other part of the EXIF information that would be retrievable later from a saved-as version of the file. I could open my Brad-and-Jennifer shot, see the EXIF line that had the original number, and collect my $US12million... Stan Rob Studdert wrote: I just put up a page containing my set of wishes for future hardware and firmware updates. We might as well be pro-active: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/Pentax_digi_wish-list/ Anyone have anything to add, discuss or dispute? Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
