Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Jostein Øksne]

A while back, someone posted a link to the work of a children's
portrait photographer who thoroughly mashed up the portraits to look
like some kind of glam shots.

Does anyone still remember, and have a link?


Thanks,
Jostein

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Christian]

Cotty wrote:
> 
>Oral sex, for example, is often
>described as sodomy (especially in American news reporting).
>
>

I bet that leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.
>>>
>>>Oh come now.
>>>
>>
>>I meant it tongue-in-cheek
> 
> 
> Cunning!
> 
> 
Another pun thread...  I'm gonna gag.


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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Digital Image Studio]

On 05/10/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> >> >> Note, too, the difference in meaning of "sodomize".  In British
> >> >> English sodomy is pretty much synonomous with buggery; in
> >American
> >> >> usage it means just about any variation on sexual activity apart
> >> >> from the most rudimentary forms.  Oral sex, for example, is often
> >> >> described as sodomy (especially in American news reporting).
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >I bet that leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.
> >>
> >> Oh come now.
> >>
> >
> >I meant it tongue-in-cheek
>
> Cunning!

Linguistics!

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[David Savage]

At 02:06 AM 5/10/2006, John Francis wrote:
>On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 11:52:20AM +0100, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> > I don't know what the issue is other than prudishness.
> >
> > To bugger someone means to have anal intercourse with them. Seems to
> > be this parlance that is more British English than American English,
>
>Quite.  I'm often amused when a TV character with a British accent
>(such as Spike, in "Buffy the Vampire Slayer") says "Bugger off",
>or the like - it appears to be a loophole in the great American
>puritanical broadcast TV vocabulary rules.
>
>. . .
>
> > I was curious so I looked up the word in the OED:
> > 
> > bugger
>   . . .
> > penetrate the anus of (someone) during sexual intercourse; sodomize.
>
>Note, too, the difference in meaning of "sodomize".  In British
>English sodomy is pretty much synonomous with buggery; in American
>usage it means just about any variation on sexual activity apart
>from the most rudimentary forms.  Oral sex, for example, is often
>described as sodomy (especially in American news reporting).


So calling someone a "miserable sod", for example, is the same as calling 
them a "miserable bugger".

I hadn't given the word "sod" much thought until now.

Dave 


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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[keith_w]

David Savage wrote:
> At 02:06 AM 5/10/2006, John Francis wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 11:52:20AM +0100, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>> I don't know what the issue is other than prudishness.
>>>
>>> To bugger someone means to have anal intercourse with them. Seems to
>>> be this parlance that is more British English than American English,
>> Quite.  I'm often amused when a TV character with a British accent
>> (such as Spike, in "Buffy the Vampire Slayer") says "Bugger off",
>> or the like - it appears to be a loophole in the great American
>> puritanical broadcast TV vocabulary rules.
>>
>> . . .
>>
>>> I was curious so I looked up the word in the OED:
>>> 
>>> bugger
>>   . . .
>>> penetrate the anus of (someone) during sexual intercourse; sodomize.
>> Note, too, the difference in meaning of "sodomize".  In British
>> English sodomy is pretty much synonomous with buggery; in American
>> usage it means just about any variation on sexual activity apart
>>from the most rudimentary forms.  Oral sex, for example, is often
>> described as sodomy (especially in American news reporting).

> So calling someone a "miserable sod", for example, is the same as calling 
> them a "miserable bugger".

I don't think so.
Not in the U.S. anyhow.

keith whaley

> I hadn't given the word "sod" much thought until now.
> 
> Dave 

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RE: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[David Savage]

At 06:22 AM 5/10/2006, you wrote:
> >
> >
> > >> Note, too, the difference in meaning of "sodomize".  In British
> > >> English sodomy is pretty much synonomous with buggery; in
>American
> > >> usage it means just about any variation on sexual activity apart
> > >> from the most rudimentary forms.  Oral sex, for example, is often
> > >> described as sodomy (especially in American news reporting).
> > >
> > >I bet that leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.
> >
> > Oh come now.
>
>I meant it tongue-in-cheek

Are you sure it was a tongue?

Dave ;-)



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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Paul Stenquist]

While "sodomize" has retained much of its original meaning, "sod" has  
been watered down over time. It originally meant a sodomizer and was  
also used as a derogatory term for homosexual. In modern parlance, it  
has come to mean chap or guy in some contexts and kid or brat in others.
Paul
On Oct 4, 2006, at 9:11 PM, David Savage wrote:

> At 02:06 AM 5/10/2006, John Francis wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 11:52:20AM +0100, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>> I don't know what the issue is other than prudishness.
>>>
>>> To bugger someone means to have anal intercourse with them. Seems to
>>> be this parlance that is more British English than American English,
>>
>> Quite.  I'm often amused when a TV character with a British accent
>> (such as Spike, in "Buffy the Vampire Slayer") says "Bugger off",
>> or the like - it appears to be a loophole in the great American
>> puritanical broadcast TV vocabulary rules.
>>
>> . . .
>>
>>> I was curious so I looked up the word in the OED:
>>> 
>>> bugger
>>   . . .
>>> penetrate the anus of (someone) during sexual intercourse; sodomize.
>>
>> Note, too, the difference in meaning of "sodomize".  In British
>> English sodomy is pretty much synonomous with buggery; in American
>> usage it means just about any variation on sexual activity apart
>> from the most rudimentary forms.  Oral sex, for example, is often
>> described as sodomy (especially in American news reporting).
>
>
> So calling someone a "miserable sod", for example, is the same as  
> calling
> them a "miserable bugger".
>
> I hadn't given the word "sod" much thought until now.
>
> Dave
>
>
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[P. J. Alling]

Same thing is true of Punk.

Paul Stenquist wrote:

>While "sodomize" has retained much of its original meaning, "sod" has  
>been watered down over time. It originally meant a sodomizer and was  
>also used as a derogatory term for homosexual. In modern parlance, it  
>has come to mean chap or guy in some contexts and kid or brat in others.
>Paul
>On Oct 4, 2006, at 9:11 PM, David Savage wrote:
>
>  
>
>>At 02:06 AM 5/10/2006, John Francis wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 11:52:20AM +0100, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>>  
>>>
I don't know what the issue is other than prudishness.

To bugger someone means to have anal intercourse with them. Seems to
be this parlance that is more British English than American English,


>>>Quite.  I'm often amused when a TV character with a British accent
>>>(such as Spike, in "Buffy the Vampire Slayer") says "Bugger off",
>>>or the like - it appears to be a loophole in the great American
>>>puritanical broadcast TV vocabulary rules.
>>>
>>>. . .
>>>
>>>  
>>>
I was curious so I looked up the word in the OED:

bugger


>>>  . . .
>>>  
>>>
penetrate the anus of (someone) during sexual intercourse; sodomize.


>>>Note, too, the difference in meaning of "sodomize".  In British
>>>English sodomy is pretty much synonomous with buggery; in American
>>>usage it means just about any variation on sexual activity apart
>>>from the most rudimentary forms.  Oral sex, for example, is often
>>>described as sodomy (especially in American news reporting).
>>>  
>>>
>>So calling someone a "miserable sod", for example, is the same as  
>>calling
>>them a "miserable bugger".
>>
>>I hadn't given the word "sod" much thought until now.
>>
>>Dave
>>
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Kenneth Waller]

Monica, where are you when we need you ?

Kenneth Waller

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>> 
>> 
>> >> Note, too, the difference in meaning of "sodomize".  In British
>> >> English sodomy is pretty much synonomous with buggery; in
> American
>> >> usage it means just about any variation on sexual activity apart
>> >> from the most rudimentary forms.  Oral sex, for example, is often
>> >> described as sodomy (especially in American news reporting).
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >
>> >I bet that leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.
>> 
>> Oh come now.
>> 
> 
> I meant it tongue-in-cheek
> 
> Bob
> 
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[David Mann]

On Oct 5, 2006, at 5:38 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote:

>> From www.onelook.com:
> "Quick definitions (pom)
> noun:   a disparaging term for English immigrants to Australia or  
> New Zealand"

I wouldnt say it's disparaging, unless we're using the term "whinging  
pom" (very rare these days).  If what I see in the local news is  
anything to go by, the "whinging kiwi" is far more common :/

- Dave



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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[David Mann]

On Oct 5, 2006, at 12:29 AM, David Savage wrote:

> It's pretty mild language here. I tend to utter it when something  
> stuffs up.
>
> An ad campaign a few years ago for Toyota New Zealand featured it  
> quite heavily:
>
> 
>
>> From what I've read it received 100+ official complaints in NZ and  
>> 1 here in Oz.
>
> I guess there are more prudes in New Zealand ;-)

The Broadcasting Standards Authority allowed it to air despite the  
mountains of complaints.

Bloody good too.  If there are any prudes in this country, I  
certainly don't know them.

- Dave (who tends to say much worse things than that)


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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Bob Shell]

On Oct 4, 2006, at 8:37 AM, Adam Maas wrote:

> In english, almost all rude slang is either scatological or sexual.  
> Damn
> and its variants are the major exception. Unlike say french, where  
> much
> rude slang is blasphmemous.

Sacre bleu!!

Bob

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Bob Shell]

On Oct 4, 2006, at 2:06 PM, John Francis wrote:

> Quite.  I'm often amused when a TV character with a British accent
> (such as Spike, in "Buffy the Vampire Slayer") says "Bugger off",
> or the like - it appears to be a loophole in the great American
> puritanical broadcast TV vocabulary rules.

Yes, because most Americans don't know the meaning, I suppose.  In  
the recent movie Pirates of the Caribbean:Dead Man's Chest you will  
hear Captain Jack Sparrow use "bugger" frequently.  It didn't even  
get the movie an R rating.

Bob

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/10/05 Thu AM 10:10:31 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?
> 
> 
> On Oct 4, 2006, at 8:37 AM, Adam Maas wrote:
> 
> > In english, almost all rude slang is either scatological or sexual.  
> > Damn
> > and its variants are the major exception. Unlike say french, where  
> > much
> > rude slang is blasphmemous.
> 
> Sacre bleu!!
> 
Name of an Andelusian dog!  That requires satisfaction!  Name your weapons!  
(If we're using digital, can you hang on for a minute while my batteries finish 
charging?)


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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Bob Shell]

On Oct 5, 2006, at 6:30 AM, mike wilson wrote:

> Name of an Andelusian dog!  That requires satisfaction!  Name your  
> weapons!  (If we're using digital, can you hang on for a minute  
> while my batteries finish charging?)


I choose Polish sausages at 25 paces.

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, mike wilson wrote:

> Name of an Andelusian dog!  That requires satisfaction!  Name your weapons!  
> (If we're using digital, can you hang on for a minute while my batteries 
> finish charging?)



Here, have some AA Lithiums!



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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[David Savage]

Ha!

I'd not seen that one.

Dave (Also easily ammused ;-)


On 10/5/06, Mitch Conant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David:
>
> >An ad campaign a few years ago for Toyota New Zealand featured it quite 
> >heavily:
> >
>
> Now, that's funny!!! Hey I'll admit I'm not part of the PC (politically
> correct) crowd . It is almost as funny as this one (I think it was
> Aussie):
>
> http://www.mme-ia.com/humor/video/lv03.mpg
>
> Easily entertained...
> Mitch

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[David Savage]

Like I said no offence intended ;-)

Dave

On 10/5/06, Jostein Øksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >From www.onelook.com:
> "Quick definitions (pom)
> noun:   a disparaging term for English immigrants to Australia or New Zealand"
>
> Sooo... er...
>
> Thanks, I guess...
>
> hm.
>
> Jostein :-)
>
> On 10/4/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > If it wasn't for the fact I know better (that, and I don't want to
> > offend him) I would swear he was a pom from the way he writes.
> >
> > :-)

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/10/05 Thu AM 10:44:04 GMT
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?
> 
> 
> On Oct 5, 2006, at 6:30 AM, mike wilson wrote:
> 
> > Name of an Andelusian dog!  That requires satisfaction!  Name your  
> > weapons!  (If we're using digital, can you hang on for a minute  
> > while my batteries finish charging?)
> 
> 
> I choose Polish sausages at 25 paces.
> 

Damn! Only half a Wieska in the fridge.  I'm just popping out to Costco for a 
pack of Kabanos.


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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Mark Roberts]

On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:57:24 +1300, you wrote:

>On Oct 5, 2006, at 12:29 AM, David Savage wrote:
>
>> It's pretty mild language here. I tend to utter it when something  
>> stuffs up.
>>
>> An ad campaign a few years ago for Toyota New Zealand featured it  
>> quite heavily:
>>
>> 
>>
>>> From what I've read it received 100+ official complaints in NZ and  
>>> 1 here in Oz.
>>
>> I guess there are more prudes in New Zealand ;-)
>
>The Broadcasting Standards Authority allowed it to air despite the  
>mountains of complaints.

I just had a look at it and it's effing brilliant! (If American
television commercials were like that I'd probably consider getting a
television.)


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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[frank theriault]

On 10/4/06, Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Another pun thread...  I'm gonna gag.

I've thought long and hard about it, and I don't think these are puns.

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RE: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Bob W]

> 
> On 10/4/06, Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Another pun thread...  I'm gonna gag.
> 
> I've thought long and hard about it, and I don't think these are
puns.
> 

Yup. That's the modern way. It's all going down.

Bob


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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[frank theriault]

On 10/5/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yup. That's the modern way. It's all going down.
>

It all started with the Great Vowel Shift...

-frank


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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 10/5/2006 1:28:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It all started with the Great Vowel Shift...

-frank
==
Okay, I'll bite. What the heck is the Great Vowel Shift?

Marnie aka who has a lot of vowels

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[David Mann]

On Oct 6, 2006, at 2:07 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

> I just had a look at it and it's effing brilliant! (If American
> television commercials were like that I'd probably consider getting a
> television.)

Bear in mind that the ad in question hasn't been aired here for years.

- Dave (hates annoying ads with a passion, and seems to find 90% of  
ads annoying, and the other 10% boring)


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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[David Savage]

Is this the one?





Dave

On 10/1/06, Jostein Øksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A while back, someone posted a link to the work of a children's
> portrait photographer who thoroughly mashed up the portraits to look
> like some kind of glam shots.
>
> Does anyone still remember, and have a link?

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Digital Image Studio]

On 01/10/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is this the one?
>
> 
>
> 

That was fast, was that in your bookmarks Dave? ;-)

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Doug Brewer]

Send in the Clones...


On Sep 30, 2006, at 1:31 PM, David Savage wrote:

> Is this the one?
>
> 
>
> 
>
> Dave

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[David Savage]

On 10/1/06, Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 01/10/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Is this the one?
> >
> > 
> >
> > 
>
> That was fast, was that in your bookmarks Dave? ;-)

Yep,  under "Photoshop > What not to do"

Ha!

Dave (BC and hose images are burnt into my memory ;-)

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Jostein Øksne]

Thanks Dave,

That's the bugger.

Jostein

On 9/30/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is this the one?
>
> 
>
> 
>
> Dave
>
> On 10/1/06, Jostein Øksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > A while back, someone posted a link to the work of a children's
> > portrait photographer who thoroughly mashed up the portraits to look
> > like some kind of glam shots.
> >
> > Does anyone still remember, and have a link?
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[DagT]

Den 30. sep. 2006 kl. 19.26 skrev Jostein Øksne:

> A while back, someone posted a link to the work of a children's
> portrait photographer who thoroughly mashed up the portraits to look
> like some kind of glam shots.
>
> Does anyone still remember, and have a link?
>

Ha, now I know why you asked:
http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/diskusjon/lesInnlegg.cgi?id=241231

.-)

DagT
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[DagT]

Awful, almost as bad as missy contests for children i the US.

DagT

Den 30. sep. 2006 kl. 19.31 skrev David Savage:

> Is this the one?
>
> 
>
> 
>
> Dave
>
> On 10/1/06, Jostein Øksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> A while back, someone posted a link to the work of a children's
>> portrait photographer who thoroughly mashed up the portraits to look
>> like some kind of glam shots.
>>
>> Does anyone still remember, and have a link?

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Jostein Øksne]

Yup, I thought it was appropriate for the thread...:-)

Jostein

On 9/30/06, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Den 30. sep. 2006 kl. 19.26 skrev Jostein Øksne:
>
> > A while back, someone posted a link to the work of a children's
> > portrait photographer who thoroughly mashed up the portraits to look
> > like some kind of glam shots.
> >
> > Does anyone still remember, and have a link?
> >
>
> Ha, now I know why you asked:
> http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/diskusjon/lesInnlegg.cgi?id=241231
>
> .-)
>
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[DagT]

It was.  Someone in that thread  reacted by remembering JonBenet.

To the others: The thread is actually about some very negative  
reactions to a photographer who said that she could remove zits (is  
that the right word?) and other "skin problems" from pictures of  
children.

DagT

Den 30. sep. 2006 kl. 20.51 skrev Jostein Øksne:

> Yup, I thought it was appropriate for the thread...:-)
>
> Jostein
>
> On 9/30/06, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Den 30. sep. 2006 kl. 19.26 skrev Jostein Øksne:
>>
>>> A while back, someone posted a link to the work of a children's
>>> portrait photographer who thoroughly mashed up the portraits to look
>>> like some kind of glam shots.
>>>
>>> Does anyone still remember, and have a link?
>>>
>>
>> Ha, now I know why you asked:
>> http://www.foto.no/cgi-bin/diskusjon/lesInnlegg.cgi?id=241231
>>
>> .-)
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[J and K Messervy]

Absolutely hideous.  Why can't kids look like kids?

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Is this the one?

<http://beckycarter.com/>



Dave

On 10/1/06, Jostein Øksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A while back, someone posted a link to the work of a children's
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> like some kind of glam shots.
>
> Does anyone still remember, and have a link?

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Paul Stenquist]

They can. But this lady serves a limited market. It's weird, but  
she's apparently making money. That's not weird.
Paul
On Sep 30, 2006, at 7:18 PM, J and K Messervy wrote:

> Absolutely hideous.  Why can't kids look like kids?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 3:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?
>
>
> Is this the one?
>
> <http://beckycarter.com/>
>
> 
>
> Dave
>
> On 10/1/06, Jostein Øksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> A while back, someone posted a link to the work of a children's
>> portrait photographer who thoroughly mashed up the portraits to look
>> like some kind of glam shots.
>>
>> Does anyone still remember, and have a link?
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Matt Kelch]

Its still scary.

The eyes are the worst... All of them have the exact same stare.

Paul Stenquist wrote:
> They can. But this lady serves a limited market. It's weird, but  
> she's apparently making money. That's not weird.
> Paul
> On Sep 30, 2006, at 7:18 PM, J and K Messervy wrote:
>
>   
>> Absolutely hideous.  Why can't kids look like kids?
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 3:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?
>>
>>
>> Is this the one?
>>
>> <http://beckycarter.com/>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On 10/1/06, Jostein Øksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> A while back, someone posted a link to the work of a children's
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>>> like some kind of glam shots.
>>>
>>> Does anyone still remember, and have a link?
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Digital Image Studio]

On 01/10/06, Matt Kelch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Its still scary.
>
> The eyes are the worst... All of them have the exact same stare.

The Stepford children

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[J and K Messervy]

I just find it sick.

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Its still scary.

The eyes are the worst... All of them have the exact same stare.

Paul Stenquist wrote:
> They can. But this lady serves a limited market. It's weird, but
> she's apparently making money. That's not weird.
> Paul
> On Sep 30, 2006, at 7:18 PM, J and K Messervy wrote:
>
>
>> Absolutely hideous.  Why can't kids look like kids?
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 3:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?
>>
>>
>> Is this the one?
>>
>> <http://beckycarter.com/>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On 10/1/06, Jostein Øksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> A while back, someone posted a link to the work of a children's
>>> portrait photographer who thoroughly mashed up the portraits to look
>>> like some kind of glam shots.
>>>
>>> Does anyone still remember, and have a link?
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Digital Image Studio]

On 01/10/06, J and K Messervy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just find it sick.

It's different but there are a whole lot of worse things that people
do with children, got to consider it in perspective.

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[J and K Messervy]

True mate, but the thought process that leads to people thinking children 
should look like this is not dissimilar to one that leads to those worse 
things you allude to.

IMO kids should not be made up to look like sex symbols, full stop.

James
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> On 01/10/06, J and K Messervy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I just find it sick.
>
> It's different but there are a whole lot of worse things that people
> do with children, got to consider it in perspective.
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Digital Image Studio]

On 01/10/06, J and K Messervy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> True mate, but the thought process that leads to people thinking children
> should look like this is not dissimilar to one that leads to those worse
> things you allude to.
>
> IMO kids should not be made up to look like sex symbols, full stop.

Of course but the question is where do you draw the line, how about
banning pretty dresses, jewelery and make up for under 18's?

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Jens Bladt]

Iwonder how they do that. Looks more like excessive use of a noise filter
like Neat Image ...
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Thanks Dave,

That's the bugger.

Jostein

On 9/30/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is this the one?
>
> <http://beckycarter.com/>
>
> 
>
> Dave
>
> On 10/1/06, Jostein Øksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > A while back, someone posted a link to the work of a children's
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> > like some kind of glam shots.
> >
> > Does anyone still remember, and have a link?
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RE: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Jens Bladt]

I have tried to filter an image (Neat Image), fist trated with PS artistic
filters. Not really like Becfky Carters photographs, but rather fun abyway:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/257072369/
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Its still scary.

The eyes are the worst... All of them have the exact same stare.

Paul Stenquist wrote:
> They can. But this lady serves a limited market. It's weird, but
> she's apparently making money. That's not weird.
> Paul
> On Sep 30, 2006, at 7:18 PM, J and K Messervy wrote:
>
>
>> Absolutely hideous.  Why can't kids look like kids?
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 3:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?
>>
>>
>> Is this the one?
>>
>> <http://beckycarter.com/>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On 10/1/06, Jostein Øksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> A while back, someone posted a link to the work of a children's
>>> portrait photographer who thoroughly mashed up the portraits to look
>>> like some kind of glam shots.
>>>
>>> Does anyone still remember, and have a link?
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[DagT]

Den 1. okt. 2006 kl. 08.25 skrev Digital Image Studio:

> On 01/10/06, J and K Messervy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> True mate, but the thought process that leads to people thinking  
>> children
>> should look like this is not dissimilar to one that leads to those  
>> worse
>> things you allude to.
>>
>> IMO kids should not be made up to look like sex symbols, full stop.
>
> Of course but the question is where do you draw the line, how about
> banning pretty dresses, jewelery and make up for under 18's?

Yep, that´s the problem. Children dress up, have pretty clothes, try  
to look like grown-ups, and sometimes trying to look like crown-ups  
trying to look sexy.  It is innocent. In my mind these pictures are  
over the line and lots worse than seeing them play naked in the sun,  
but they are more difficult to make rules against.

I wonder what the US rules have done with the beautiful animated  
african stories about Kirikou.  All of the kids are naked and the  
women are topless, but there is nothing sexual about them. Then  
compare them to some of the girls in movies from Disney. They are  
dressed, but...

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[J and K Messervy]

Good point, we're not the Taliban.

I suppose it's a grey area and I have a tendency towards black and white 
statements.

A bit of common sense though.  Kids can wear makeup and look glamorous when 
they're adults.

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> On 01/10/06, J and K Messervy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> True mate, but the thought process that leads to people thinking children
>> should look like this is not dissimilar to one that leads to those worse
>> things you allude to.
>>
>> IMO kids should not be made up to look like sex symbols, full stop.
>
> Of course but the question is where do you draw the line, how about
> banning pretty dresses, jewelery and make up for under 18's?
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Bob Shell]

On Sep 30, 2006, at 11:08 PM, Matt Kelch wrote:

> Its still scary.
>
> The eyes are the worst... All of them have the exact same stare.
>

Yeah, like taxidermist's eyes.

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Paul Stenquist]

Here's a shot done with a semi-transparetn gaussian blur layer that is 
erased around the eyes. I think Becky uses more blur and enlarges the 
eyes a bit as well.
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1271195
On Oct 1, 2006, at 3:26 AM, Jens Bladt wrote:

> I have tried to filter an image (Neat Image), fist trated with PS 
> artistic
> filters. Not really like Becfky Carters photographs, but rather fun 
> abyway:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/257072369/
> Regards
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>
> Its still scary.
>
> The eyes are the worst... All of them have the exact same stare.
>
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> They can. But this lady serves a limited market. It's weird, but
>> she's apparently making money. That's not weird.
>> Paul
>> On Sep 30, 2006, at 7:18 PM, J and K Messervy wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Absolutely hideous.  Why can't kids look like kids?
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 3:31 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?
>>>
>>>
>>> Is this the one?
>>>
>>> <http://beckycarter.com/>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On 10/1/06, Jostein Øksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A while back, someone posted a link to the work of a children's
>>>> portrait photographer who thoroughly mashed up the portraits to look
>>>> like some kind of glam shots.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone still remember, and have a link?
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Paul Stenquist]

Most likely a gaussian blur layer that is semi transparent and erased 
around eyes and other details.
Paul
On Oct 1, 2006, at 3:11 AM, Jens Bladt wrote:

> Iwonder how they do that. Looks more like excessive use of a noise 
> filter
> like Neat Image ...
> Regards
>
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>
> Thanks Dave,
>
> That's the bugger.
>
> Jostein
>
> On 9/30/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Is this the one?
>>
>> <http://beckycarter.com/>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On 10/1/06, Jostein Øksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Don Williams]

Like one of those horror movies in which dolls or Teddy Bears come to 
live and kill... kill ... kill.

The person who does that stuff needs professional help.

D

Bob Shell wrote:
> On Sep 30, 2006, at 11:08 PM, Matt Kelch wrote:
>
>   
>> Its still scary.
>>
>> The eyes are the worst... All of them have the exact same stare.
>>
>> 
>
> Yeah, like taxidermist's eyes.
>
> Bob
>
>   


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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Mitch Conant]

Aw common!

The scarring from the first time around just healed and look what comes 
back up.

Mitch

David Savage wrote:

>Is this the one?
>
>
>
>
>
>Dave
>
>On 10/1/06, Jostein Øksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>A while back, someone posted a link to the work of a children's
>>portrait photographer who thoroughly mashed up the portraits to look
>>like some kind of glam shots.
>>
>>Does anyone still remember, and have a link?
>>
>>
>
>  
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[frank theriault]

On 9/30/06, Jostein Øksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Dave,
>
> That's the bugger.

Bad choice of words, Jostein (recognizing, of course, that as English
isn't your first language, you may not know what "bugger" is slang
for).

I should write you off list.

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Jostein Øksne]

Please do Frank...

Jostein

On 10/3/06, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 9/30/06, Jostein Øksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanks Dave,
> >
> > That's the bugger.
>
> Bad choice of words, Jostein (recognizing, of course, that as English
> isn't your first language, you may not know what "bugger" is slang
> for).
>
> I should write you off list.
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> frank
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I don't know what the issue is other than prudishness.

To bugger someone means to have anal intercourse with them. Seems to  
be this parlance that is more British English than American English,  
though. To call something a "nasty little bugger" is often used in  
American English to mean something small, insect like, an annoyance,  
or "cute little bugger" is a form of curmudgeonly endearment.

I was curious so I looked up the word in the OED:

bugger
noun

1 [with adj. ] a contemptible or pitied person, typically a man.
- a person with a particular negative quality or characteristic.
- used as a term of affection or respect, typically grudgingly : all  
right, let the little buggers come in.

2 derogatory a person who commits buggery.
verb [ trans. ]
penetrate the anus of (someone) during sexual intercourse; sodomize.

exclamation
used to express annoyance or anger.

PHRASAL VERBS
bugger off [usu. in imperative ] go away.

ORIGIN Middle English (originally denoting a heretic, specifically an  
Albigensian): from Middle Dutch, from Old French bougre, originally  
in the sense ‘heretic,’ from medieval Latin Bulgarus ‘Bulgarian,’  
particularly one belonging to the Orthodox Church and therefore  
regarded as a heretic by the Roman Church. The sense [sodomite] (16th  
cent.) arose from an association of heresy with forbidden sexual  
practices; its use as a general insult dates from the early 18th  
cent. Compare with Bulgar.
---

Godfrey


On Oct 4, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

> Bugger off, Frank ;-)
> What's wrong about that word? Why do you have so many "wrong"  
> words? What's
> the point with a word, when it's "wrong"?
>
> Seriously: I may need an offline hint about this mysterious meaning  
> of the
> word too.
>
>
> Tim
> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On  
> Behalf Of
> frank theriault
> Sent: 3. oktober 2006 21:19
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> Subject: Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?
>
> On 9/30/06, Jostein Øksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Thanks Dave,
>>
>> That's the bugger.
>
> Bad choice of words, Jostein (recognizing, of course, that as English
> isn't your first language, you may not know what "bugger" is slang
> for).
>
> I should write you off list.
>
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> frank
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RE: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Tim Øsleby]

Bugger off, Frank ;-)
What's wrong about that word? Why do you have so many "wrong" words? What's
the point with a word, when it's "wrong"? 

Seriously: I may need an offline hint about this mysterious meaning of the
word too. 


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 

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On 9/30/06, Jostein Øksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Dave,
>
> That's the bugger.

Bad choice of words, Jostein (recognizing, of course, that as English
isn't your first language, you may not know what "bugger" is slang
for).

I should write you off list.

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[David Savage]

It's pretty mild language here. I tend to utter it when something stuffs up.

An ad campaign a few years ago for Toyota New Zealand featured it quite heavily:



>From what I've read it received 100+ official complaints in NZ and 1 here in 
>Oz.

I guess there are more prudes in New Zealand ;-)

Dave

On 10/4/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't know what the issue is other than prudishness.
>
> To bugger someone means to have anal intercourse with them. Seems to
> be this parlance that is more British English than American English,
> though. To call something a "nasty little bugger" is often used in
> American English to mean something small, insect like, an annoyance,
> or "cute little bugger" is a form of curmudgeonly endearment.

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RE: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Tim Øsleby]

Thanks Godfrey. 

There are so many words that are not proper. Sometimes I wonder what a list
of proper words would look. How many entries? 20? Hopefully a bit more, but
you get my point. 

To bug somebody is being a nuisance. I get that. And being a nuisance is
also described as being an ass. I guess that’s the connection. Never the
less, avoiding all "bad" words makes the language so limited. 


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Godfrey DiGiorgi
Sent: 4. oktober 2006 12:52
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Subject: Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

I don't know what the issue is other than prudishness.

To bugger someone means to have anal intercourse with them. Seems to  
be this parlance that is more British English than American English,  
though. To call something a "nasty little bugger" is often used in  
American English to mean something small, insect like, an annoyance,  
or "cute little bugger" is a form of curmudgeonly endearment.

I was curious so I looked up the word in the OED:

bugger
noun

1 [with adj. ] a contemptible or pitied person, typically a man.
- a person with a particular negative quality or characteristic.
- used as a term of affection or respect, typically grudgingly : all  
right, let the little buggers come in.

2 derogatory a person who commits buggery.
verb [ trans. ]
penetrate the anus of (someone) during sexual intercourse; sodomize.

exclamation
used to express annoyance or anger.

PHRASAL VERBS
bugger off [usu. in imperative ] go away.

ORIGIN Middle English (originally denoting a heretic, specifically an  
Albigensian): from Middle Dutch, from Old French bougre, originally  
in the sense ‘heretic,’ from medieval Latin Bulgarus ‘Bulgarian,’  
particularly one belonging to the Orthodox Church and therefore  
regarded as a heretic by the Roman Church. The sense [sodomite] (16th  
cent.) arose from an association of heresy with forbidden sexual  
practices; its use as a general insult dates from the early 18th  
cent. Compare with Bulgar.
---

Godfrey


On Oct 4, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

> Bugger off, Frank ;-)
> What's wrong about that word? Why do you have so many "wrong"  
> words? What's
> the point with a word, when it's "wrong"?
>
> Seriously: I may need an offline hint about this mysterious meaning  
> of the
> word too.
>
>
> Tim
> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On  
> Behalf Of
> frank theriault
> Sent: 3. oktober 2006 21:19
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?
>
> On 9/30/06, Jostein Øksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Thanks Dave,
>>
>> That's the bugger.
>
> Bad choice of words, Jostein (recognizing, of course, that as English
> isn't your first language, you may not know what "bugger" is slang
> for).
>
> I should write you off list.
>
> cheers,
> frank
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Adam Maas]

In english, almost all rude slang is either scatological or sexual. Damn 
and its variants are the major exception. Unlike say french, where much 
rude slang is blasphmemous.

-Adam


Tim Øsleby wrote:
> Thanks Godfrey. 
> 
> There are so many words that are not proper. Sometimes I wonder what a list
> of proper words would look. How many entries? 20? Hopefully a bit more, but
> you get my point. 
> 
> To bug somebody is being a nuisance. I get that. And being a nuisance is
> also described as being an ass. I guess that’s the connection. Never the
> less, avoiding all "bad" words makes the language so limited. 
> 
> 
> Tim
> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Godfrey DiGiorgi
> Sent: 4. oktober 2006 12:52
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?
> 
> I don't know what the issue is other than prudishness.
> 
> To bugger someone means to have anal intercourse with them. Seems to  
> be this parlance that is more British English than American English,  
> though. To call something a "nasty little bugger" is often used in  
> American English to mean something small, insect like, an annoyance,  
> or "cute little bugger" is a form of curmudgeonly endearment.
> 
> I was curious so I looked up the word in the OED:
> 
> bugger
> noun
> 
> 1 [with adj. ] a contemptible or pitied person, typically a man.
> - a person with a particular negative quality or characteristic.
> - used as a term of affection or respect, typically grudgingly : all  
> right, let the little buggers come in.
> 
> 2 derogatory a person who commits buggery.
> verb [ trans. ]
> penetrate the anus of (someone) during sexual intercourse; sodomize.
> 
> exclamation
> used to express annoyance or anger.
> 
> PHRASAL VERBS
> bugger off [usu. in imperative ] go away.
> 
> ORIGIN Middle English (originally denoting a heretic, specifically an  
> Albigensian): from Middle Dutch, from Old French bougre, originally  
> in the sense ‘heretic,’ from medieval Latin Bulgarus ‘Bulgarian,’  
> particularly one belonging to the Orthodox Church and therefore  
> regarded as a heretic by the Roman Church. The sense [sodomite] (16th  
> cent.) arose from an association of heresy with forbidden sexual  
> practices; its use as a general insult dates from the early 18th  
> cent. Compare with Bulgar.
> ---
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 
> On Oct 4, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote:
> 
>> Bugger off, Frank ;-)
>> What's wrong about that word? Why do you have so many "wrong"  
>> words? What's
>> the point with a word, when it's "wrong"?
>>
>> Seriously: I may need an offline hint about this mysterious meaning  
>> of the
>> word too.
>>
>>
>> Tim
>> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On  
>> Behalf Of
>> frank theriault
>> Sent: 3. oktober 2006 21:19
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?
>>
>> On 9/30/06, Jostein Øksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Thanks Dave,
>>>
>>> That's the bugger.
>> Bad choice of words, Jostein (recognizing, of course, that as English
>> isn't your first language, you may not know what "bugger" is slang
>> for).
>>
>> I should write you off list.
>>
>> cheers,
>> frank
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Daniel J. Matyola]

The use of the word itself is not so bad.  Its use in relation to
"molested children portraits" is what may have been unintentionally
offensive to some people.

Dan

On 10/4/06, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In english, almost all rude slang is either scatological or sexual. Damn
> and its variants are the major exception. Unlike say french, where much
> rude slang is blasphmemous.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> Tim Øsleby wrote:
> > Thanks Godfrey.
> >
> > There are so many words that are not proper. Sometimes I wonder what a list
> > of proper words would look. How many entries? 20? Hopefully a bit more, but
> > you get my point.
> >
> > To bug somebody is being a nuisance. I get that. And being a nuisance is
> > also described as being an ass. I guess that's the connection. Never the
> > less, avoiding all "bad" words makes the language so limited.
> >
> >
> > Tim
> > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > Godfrey DiGiorgi
> > Sent: 4. oktober 2006 12:52
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > Subject: Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?
> >
> > I don't know what the issue is other than prudishness.
> >
> > To bugger someone means to have anal intercourse with them. Seems to
> > be this parlance that is more British English than American English,
> > though. To call something a "nasty little bugger" is often used in
> > American English to mean something small, insect like, an annoyance,
> > or "cute little bugger" is a form of curmudgeonly endearment.
> >
> > I was curious so I looked up the word in the OED:
> > 
> > bugger
> > noun
> >
> > 1 [with adj. ] a contemptible or pitied person, typically a man.
> > - a person with a particular negative quality or characteristic.
> > - used as a term of affection or respect, typically grudgingly : all
> > right, let the little buggers come in.
> >
> > 2 derogatory a person who commits buggery.
> > verb [ trans. ]
> > penetrate the anus of (someone) during sexual intercourse; sodomize.
> >
> > exclamation
> > used to express annoyance or anger.
> >
> > PHRASAL VERBS
> > bugger off [usu. in imperative ] go away.
> >
> > ORIGIN Middle English (originally denoting a heretic, specifically an
> > Albigensian): from Middle Dutch, from Old French bougre, originally
> > in the sense 'heretic,' from medieval Latin Bulgarus 'Bulgarian,'
> > particularly one belonging to the Orthodox Church and therefore
> > regarded as a heretic by the Roman Church. The sense [sodomite] (16th
> > cent.) arose from an association of heresy with forbidden sexual
> > practices; its use as a general insult dates from the early 18th
> > cent. Compare with Bulgar.
> > ---
> >
> > Godfrey
> >
> >
> > On Oct 4, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote:
> >
> >> Bugger off, Frank ;-)
> >> What's wrong about that word? Why do you have so many "wrong"
> >> words? What's
> >> the point with a word, when it's "wrong"?
> >>
> >> Seriously: I may need an offline hint about this mysterious meaning
> >> of the
> >> word too.
> >>
> >>
> >> Tim
> >> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> >> Behalf Of
> >> frank theriault
> >> Sent: 3. oktober 2006 21:19
> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> >> Subject: Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?
> >>
> >> On 9/30/06, Jostein Øksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> Thanks Dave,
> >>>
> >>> That's the bugger.
> >> Bad choice of words, Jostein (recognizing, of course, that as English
> >> isn't your first language, you may not know what "bugger" is slang
> >> for).
> >>
> >> I should write you off list.
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> >> frank
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[William Robb]

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Subject: Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?


In english, almost all rude slang is either scatological or sexual. Damn
and its variants are the major exception. Unlike say french, where much
rude slang is blasphmemous.

We are equal opportunity profaners.
Hence the term "fucking hell"

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[frank theriault]

On 10/4/06, Daniel J. Matyola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The use of the word itself is not so bad.  Its use in relation to
> "molested children portraits" is what may have been unintentionally
> offensive to some people.

I think that summarizes my feelings exactly, Dan.  BTW, I brought it
up to Jostein, not because I was in any way offended, but because I
figured that with English not being his first language, he might not
have been aware of the connections that the context might bring up in
the minds of some people.

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Scott Loveless]

On 10/4/06, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Adam Maas"
> Subject: Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?
>
>
> In english, almost all rude slang is either scatological or sexual. Damn
> and its variants are the major exception. Unlike say french, where much
> rude slang is blasphmemous.
>
> We are equal opportunity profaners.
> Hence the term "fucking hell"
>

If I can't get the coffee out of my keyboard, yer buying me a new one.

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[David Savage]

On 10/4/06, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If I can't get the coffee out of my keyboard, yer buying me a new one.

It's a bad sign when a man can't handle his coffee. Maybe it's time to
switch to booze.

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[frank theriault]

On 10/4/06, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> If I can't get the coffee out of my keyboard, [Robb's] buying me a new one.

Yeah.

Like that'll happen...

cheers,
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[David Savage]

On 10/4/06, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/4/06, Daniel J. Matyola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The use of the word itself is not so bad.  Its use in relation to
> > "molested children portraits" is what may have been unintentionally
> > offensive to some people.
>
> I think that summarizes my feelings exactly, Dan.  BTW, I brought it
> up to Jostein, not because I was in any way offended, but because I
> figured that with English not being his first language, he might not
> have been aware of the connections that the context might bring up in
> the minds of some people.

If it wasn't for the fact I know better (that, and I don't want to
offend him) I would swear he was a pom from the way he writes.

:-)

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[P. J. Alling]

Well isn't that what buggery is stuffing something up?

David Savage wrote:

>It's pretty mild language here. I tend to utter it when something stuffs up.
>
>An ad campaign a few years ago for Toyota New Zealand featured it quite 
>heavily:
>
>
>
>>From what I've read it received 100+ official complaints in NZ and 1 here in 
>>Oz.
>
>I guess there are more prudes in New Zealand ;-)
>
>Dave
>
>On 10/4/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>I don't know what the issue is other than prudishness.
>>
>>To bugger someone means to have anal intercourse with them. Seems to
>>be this parlance that is more British English than American English,
>>though. To call something a "nasty little bugger" is often used in
>>American English to mean something small, insect like, an annoyance,
>>or "cute little bugger" is a form of curmudgeonly endearment.
>>
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 10/4/2006 8:50:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well isn't that what buggery is stuffing something up?
==
Now it's getting a bit offensive. 

Marnie :-)

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Jostein Øksne]

Thanks Dan,

When posting the original question I remembered very vividly my
reaction to Becky Carter's imagery from last time around. The word
"molested" slid very easily into my brain then. I suppose a hyphen
between "photoshop" and the said word would have been more
appropriate.

My apologies if I have offended anyone, and thanks to Frank, Godfrey
and you for setting me straight.

You know, getting the finer points right with slang terms is the
toughest challenge with English. It's even worse than seeing the logic
in the pronounciation...:-)

Jostein

On 10/4/06, Daniel J. Matyola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The use of the word itself is not so bad.  Its use in relation to
> "molested children portraits" is what may have been unintentionally
> offensive to some people.
>
> Dan
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Jostein Øksne]

>From www.onelook.com:
"Quick definitions (pom)
noun:   a disparaging term for English immigrants to Australia or New Zealand"

Sooo... er...

Thanks, I guess...

hm.

Jostein :-)

On 10/4/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/4/06, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 10/4/06, Daniel J. Matyola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > The use of the word itself is not so bad.  Its use in relation to
> > > "molested children portraits" is what may have been unintentionally
> > > offensive to some people.
> >
> > I think that summarizes my feelings exactly, Dan.  BTW, I brought it
> > up to Jostein, not because I was in any way offended, but because I
> > figured that with English not being his first language, he might not
> > have been aware of the connections that the context might bring up in
> > the minds of some people.
>
> If it wasn't for the fact I know better (that, and I don't want to
> offend him) I would swear he was a pom from the way he writes.
>
> :-)
>
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[P. J. Alling]

Only a bit?  I'm not trying hard enough.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>In a message dated 10/4/2006 8:50:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Well isn't that what buggery is stuffing something up?
>==
>Now it's getting a bit offensive. 
>
>Marnie :-)
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 10/4/2006 9:51:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You know, getting the finer points right with slang terms is the
toughest challenge with English. It's even worse than seeing the logic
in the pronounciation...:-)

Jostein
===
That's because there isn't any. Logic, that is.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[P. J. Alling]

Actually there's historic logic in the pronunciation.  Remember English 
pronunciation was being codified when the entire ruling class was 
clobbered by French speakers.  No one much cared about the proper 
pronunciation of English for a couple hundred years after that, since 
the Court Language was French.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>In a message dated 10/4/2006 9:51:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>You know, getting the finer points right with slang terms is the
>toughest challenge with English. It's even worse than seeing the logic
>in the pronounciation...:-)
>
>Jostein
>===
>That's because there isn't any. Logic, that is.
>
>Marnie aka Doe ;-)
>
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Mitch Conant]

David:

>An ad campaign a few years ago for Toyota New Zealand featured it quite 
>heavily:
>

Now, that's funny!!! Hey I'll admit I'm not part of the PC (politically 
correct) crowd . It is almost as funny as this one (I think it was 
Aussie):

http://www.mme-ia.com/humor/video/lv03.mpg

Easily entertained...
Mitch

David Savage wrote:

>It's pretty mild language here. I tend to utter it when something stuffs up.
>
>An ad campaign a few years ago for Toyota New Zealand featured it quite 
>heavily:
>
>
>
>>From what I've read it received 100+ official complaints in NZ and 1 here in 
>>Oz.
>
>I guess there are more prudes in New Zealand ;-)
>
>Dave
>
>On 10/4/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>I don't know what the issue is other than prudishness.
>>
>>To bugger someone means to have anal intercourse with them. Seems to
>>be this parlance that is more British English than American English,
>>though. To call something a "nasty little bugger" is often used in
>>American English to mean something small, insect like, an annoyance,
>>or "cute little bugger" is a form of curmudgeonly endearment.
>>
>>
>
>  
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[P. J. Alling]

Hell, the Commonwealth sshouldn't be offended either.  No less a man 
than Winston Churchill described the "Real traditions" of the English 
Navy as "rum, buggery, and the lash."

Jostein Øksne wrote:

>Thanks Dan,
>
>When posting the original question I remembered very vividly my
>reaction to Becky Carter's imagery from last time around. The word
>"molested" slid very easily into my brain then. I suppose a hyphen
>between "photoshop" and the said word would have been more
>appropriate.
>
>My apologies if I have offended anyone, and thanks to Frank, Godfrey
>and you for setting me straight.
>
>You know, getting the finer points right with slang terms is the
>toughest challenge with English. It's even worse than seeing the logic
>in the pronounciation...:-)
>
>Jostein
>
>On 10/4/06, Daniel J. Matyola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>The use of the word itself is not so bad.  Its use in relation to
>>"molested children portraits" is what may have been unintentionally
>>offensive to some people.
>>
>>Dan
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[P. J. Alling]

Well, you only offended the commonwealth, most Americans have no idea 
what Buggery is.

Jostein Øksne wrote:

>Thanks Dan,
>
>When posting the original question I remembered very vividly my
>reaction to Becky Carter's imagery from last time around. The word
>"molested" slid very easily into my brain then. I suppose a hyphen
>between "photoshop" and the said word would have been more
>appropriate.
>
>My apologies if I have offended anyone, and thanks to Frank, Godfrey
>and you for setting me straight.
>
>You know, getting the finer points right with slang terms is the
>toughest challenge with English. It's even worse than seeing the logic
>in the pronounciation...:-)
>
>Jostein
>
>On 10/4/06, Daniel J. Matyola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>The use of the word itself is not so bad.  Its use in relation to
>>"molested children portraits" is what may have been unintentionally
>>offensive to some people.
>>
>>Dan
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[John Francis]

On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 11:52:20AM +0100, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> I don't know what the issue is other than prudishness.
> 
> To bugger someone means to have anal intercourse with them. Seems to  
> be this parlance that is more British English than American English,  

Quite.  I'm often amused when a TV character with a British accent
(such as Spike, in "Buffy the Vampire Slayer") says "Bugger off",
or the like - it appears to be a loophole in the great American
puritanical broadcast TV vocabulary rules.

. . .

> I was curious so I looked up the word in the OED:
> 
> bugger
  . . . 
> penetrate the anus of (someone) during sexual intercourse; sodomize.

Note, too, the difference in meaning of "sodomize".  In British
English sodomy is pretty much synonomous with buggery; in American
usage it means just about any variation on sexual activity apart
from the most rudimentary forms.  Oral sex, for example, is often
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Adam Maas]

John Francis wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 11:52:20AM +0100, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> 
>>I don't know what the issue is other than prudishness.
>>
>>To bugger someone means to have anal intercourse with them. Seems to  
>>be this parlance that is more British English than American English,  
> 
> 
> Quite.  I'm often amused when a TV character with a British accent
> (such as Spike, in "Buffy the Vampire Slayer") says "Bugger off",
> or the like - it appears to be a loophole in the great American
> puritanical broadcast TV vocabulary rules.
> 
> . . .
> 
> 
>>I was curious so I looked up the word in the OED:
>>
>>bugger
> 
>   . . . 
> 
>>penetrate the anus of (someone) during sexual intercourse; sodomize.
> 
> 
> Note, too, the difference in meaning of "sodomize".  In British
> English sodomy is pretty much synonomous with buggery; in American
> usage it means just about any variation on sexual activity apart
> from the most rudimentary forms.  Oral sex, for example, is often
> described as sodomy (especially in American news reporting).
> 
> 

Thta's peculiar to the US legal system, which defines Sodomy more 
broadly than the word actually covers in some jurisdictions.

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RE: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Bob W]

it's not a particularly rude word in English. There's even a series of
books aimed at teachers called "Getting the Buggers to xxx" where xxx
is something like 'Read' or 'Learn Maths'.

The only time I can think of it being used particularly negatively is
when homophobic types use it. Although, of course, anal sex is not
restricted to gay people.

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi
> Sent: 04 October 2006 11:52
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> Subject: Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?
> 
> I don't know what the issue is other than prudishness.
> 
> To bugger someone means to have anal intercourse with them. Seems to

> be this parlance that is more British English than American English,

> though. To call something a "nasty little bugger" is often used in  
> American English to mean something small, insect like, an annoyance,

> or "cute little bugger" is a form of curmudgeonly endearment.
> 
> I was curious so I looked up the word in the OED:
> 
> bugger
> noun
> 
> 1 [with adj. ] a contemptible or pitied person, typically a man.
> - a person with a particular negative quality or characteristic.
> - used as a term of affection or respect, typically grudgingly : all

> right, let the little buggers come in.
> 
> 2 derogatory a person who commits buggery.
> verb [ trans. ]
> penetrate the anus of (someone) during sexual intercourse; sodomize.
> 
> exclamation
> used to express annoyance or anger.
> 
> PHRASAL VERBS
> bugger off [usu. in imperative ] go away.
> 
> ORIGIN Middle English (originally denoting a heretic, 
> specifically an  
> Albigensian): from Middle Dutch, from Old French bougre, originally

> in the sense ‘heretic,’ from medieval Latin Bulgarus ‘Bulgarian,’  
> particularly one belonging to the Orthodox Church and therefore  
> regarded as a heretic by the Roman Church. The sense 
> [sodomite] (16th  
> cent.) arose from an association of heresy with forbidden sexual  
> practices; its use as a general insult dates from the early 18th  
> cent. Compare with Bulgar.
> ---
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 
> On Oct 4, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote:
> 
> > Bugger off, Frank ;-)
> > What's wrong about that word? Why do you have so many "wrong"  
> > words? What's
> > the point with a word, when it's "wrong"?
> >
> > Seriously: I may need an offline hint about this mysterious 
> meaning  
> > of the
> > word too.
> >
> >
> > Tim
> > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On  
> > Behalf Of
> > frank theriault
> > Sent: 3. oktober 2006 21:19
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> > Subject: Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?
> >
> > On 9/30/06, Jostein Øksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Thanks Dave,
> >>
> >> That's the bugger.
> >
> > Bad choice of words, Jostein (recognizing, of course, that 
> as English
> > isn't your first language, you may not know what "bugger" is slang
> > for).
> >
> > I should write you off list.
> >
> > cheers,
> > frank
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RE: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Bob W]

The Commonwealth is not offended. It's still compulsory in most
schools.

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
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> 
> Well, you only offended the commonwealth, most Americans have no
idea 
> what Buggery is.
> 
> Jostein Øksne wrote:
> 
> >Thanks Dan,
> >
> >When posting the original question I remembered very vividly my
> >reaction to Becky Carter's imagery from last time around. The word
> >"molested" slid very easily into my brain then. I suppose a hyphen
> >between "photoshop" and the said word would have been more
> >appropriate.
> >
> >My apologies if I have offended anyone, and thanks to Frank,
Godfrey
> >and you for setting me straight.
> >
> >You know, getting the finer points right with slang terms is the
> >toughest challenge with English. It's even worse than seeing 
> the logic
> >in the pronounciation...:-)
> >
> >Jostein
> >
> >On 10/4/06, Daniel J. Matyola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>The use of the word itself is not so bad.  Its use in relation to
> >>"molested children portraits" is what may have been
unintentionally
> >>offensive to some people.
> >>
> >>Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >  
> >
> 
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RE: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Bob W]

> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Adam Maas"
> > Subject: Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?
> >
> >
> > In english, almost all rude slang is either scatological or 
> sexual. Damn
> > and its variants are the major exception. Unlike say 
> french, where much
> > rude slang is blasphmemous.
> >
> > We are equal opportunity profaners.
> > Hence the term "fucking hell"
> >
> 
> If I can't get the coffee out of my keyboard, yer buying me a new
one.
> 

Cappucino or latte?

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[Bob W]

> 
> Note, too, the difference in meaning of "sodomize".  In British
> English sodomy is pretty much synonomous with buggery; in American
> usage it means just about any variation on sexual activity apart
> from the most rudimentary forms.  Oral sex, for example, is often
> described as sodomy (especially in American news reporting).
> 
> 

I bet that leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.

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RE: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Bob W]

> You know, getting the finer points right with slang terms is the
> toughest challenge with English. It's even worse than seeing the
logic
> in the pronounciation...:-)
> 
> Jostein
> ===
> That's because there isn't any. Logic, that is.
> 
> Marnie aka Doe ;-)
> 

Oh, there is! It's very simple and easy to understand, provided you
can read and speak Anglo-Saxon, Old Norse, Latin and Norman French,
and fully understand the history and background of the Great Vowel
Shift.

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[frank theriault]

On 10/4/06, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Oh, there is! It's very simple and easy to understand, provided you
> can read and speak Anglo-Saxon, Old Norse, Latin and Norman French,
> and fully understand the history and background of the Great Vowel
> Shift.

Ah yes.  The Great Vowel Shift (or as I prefer to call it, "The Tense
Vowel Shift").  That's when the language started doing downhill, IMHO,
and it's been going downhill ever since.

chers (how's that for a long vowel?),
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RE: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Tom C]

>From the Writers Alamanc - from American Public Media - from 9/28/2006

It was on this day in 1066 that William the Conqueror of Normandy arrived on 
British soil. He defeated the British in the Battle of Hastings, and on 
Christmas Day, he was crowned King of England in Westminster Abbey.

One of the most important consequences of the Norman conquest of England was 
its effect on the English language. At the time, the British were speaking a 
combination of Saxon and Old Norse. The Normans spoke French. Over time, the 
languages blended, and the result was that English became a language 
incredibly rich in synonyms. Because the French speakers were aristocrats, 
the French words often became the fancy words for things. The Saxons had 
"house"; the Normans gave us "mansion." The Saxons had "cow"; the Normans 
gave us "beef." The Normans gave us "excrement," for which the Saxons had 
lots of four letter words.

The English language has gone on accepting additions to its vocabulary ever 
since the Norman invasion, and it now contains more than a million words, 
making it one of the most diverse languages on Earth.



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>
> > You know, getting the finer points right with slang terms is the
> > toughest challenge with English. It's even worse than seeing the
>logic
> > in the pronounciation...:-)
> >
> > Jostein
> > ===
> > That's because there isn't any. Logic, that is.
> >
> > Marnie aka Doe ;-)
> >
>
>Oh, there is! It's very simple and easy to understand, provided you
>can read and speak Anglo-Saxon, Old Norse, Latin and Norman French,
>and fully understand the history and background of the Great Vowel
>Shift.
>
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Mark Roberts]

> Note, too, the difference in meaning of "sodomize".  In British
> English sodomy is pretty much synonomous with buggery; in American
> usage it means just about any variation on sexual activity apart
> from the most rudimentary forms.  Oral sex, for example, is often
> described as sodomy (especially in American news reporting).

The reason it's so used in news reporting is because it's defined as
such in the *laws* of several states. No kidding.
 
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RE: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[pnstenquist]

I've known that "buggery" is a synonym for anal sex since I was a wee lad, and 
I'm an American. However, I think that in both America and England, the word 
has been used so freely to describe any mildly deviant activity that it has 
lost its edge. The same is true of  "sucks" when used to denigrate something, 
as in "That really sucks." In this context, the word originally was a synonym 
for oral sex practiced on a male of the species. Again, through overuse it has 
lost its meaning and has become a general term.
Paul
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> The Commonwealth is not offended. It's still compulsory in most
> schools.
> 
> --
> Cheers,
>  Bob 
> 
> > -Original Message-
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> > Behalf Of P. J. Alling
> > Sent: 04 October 2006 19:21
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > Subject: Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?
> > 
> > Well, you only offended the commonwealth, most Americans have no
> idea 
> > what Buggery is.
> > 
> > Jostein Øksne wrote:
> > 
> > >Thanks Dan,
> > >
> > >When posting the original question I remembered very vividly my
> > >reaction to Becky Carter's imagery from last time around. The word
> > >"molested" slid very easily into my brain then. I suppose a hyphen
> > >between "photoshop" and the said word would have been more
> > >appropriate.
> > >
> > >My apologies if I have offended anyone, and thanks to Frank,
> Godfrey
> > >and you for setting me straight.
> > >
> > >You know, getting the finer points right with slang terms is the
> > >toughest challenge with English. It's even worse than seeing 
> > the logic
> > >in the pronounciation...:-)
> > >
> > >Jostein
> > >
> > >On 10/4/06, Daniel J. Matyola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >  
> > >
> > >>The use of the word itself is not so bad.  Its use in relation to
> > >>"molested children portraits" is what may have been
> unintentionally
> > >>offensive to some people.
> > >>
> > >>Dan
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > 
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RE: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Tim Øsleby]

Now you ruined my keyboard, my brand new laptop! 


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 

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> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Adam Maas"
> > Subject: Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?
> >
> >
> > In english, almost all rude slang is either scatological or 
> sexual. Damn
> > and its variants are the major exception. Unlike say 
> french, where much
> > rude slang is blasphmemous.
> >
> > We are equal opportunity profaners.
> > Hence the term "fucking hell"
> >
> 
> If I can't get the coffee out of my keyboard, yer buying me a new
one.
> 

Cappucino or latte?

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[mike wilson]

Jostein Øksne wrote:
> Thanks Dan,
> 
> When posting the original question I remembered very vividly my
> reaction to Becky Carter's imagery from last time around. The word
> "molested" slid very easily into my brain then. I suppose a hyphen
> between "photoshop" and the said word would have been more
> appropriate.
> 
> My apologies if I have offended anyone, and thanks to Frank, Godfrey
> and you for setting me straight.
> 
> You know, getting the finer points right with slang terms is the
> toughest challenge with English. It's even worse than seeing the logic
> in the pronounciation...:-)
> 
> Jostein

You're lucky!  I've just been told that my polite enquiry in Polish 
"Does Madam understand English?" can, due to a slight mispronunciation 
of the sentence, be heard as "This  doesn't speak English".  I did wonder why I sometimes got 
a startled look when I asked.


> 
> On 10/4/06, Daniel J. Matyola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>The use of the word itself is not so bad.  Its use in relation to
>>"molested children portraits" is what may have been unintentionally
>>offensive to some people.
>>
>>Dan
>>
> 
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Cotty]

>> Note, too, the difference in meaning of "sodomize".  In British
>> English sodomy is pretty much synonomous with buggery; in American
>> usage it means just about any variation on sexual activity apart
>> from the most rudimentary forms.  Oral sex, for example, is often
>> described as sodomy (especially in American news reporting).
>> 
>> 
>
>I bet that leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.

Oh come now.



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RE: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Bob W]

> 
> 
> >> Note, too, the difference in meaning of "sodomize".  In British
> >> English sodomy is pretty much synonomous with buggery; in
American
> >> usage it means just about any variation on sexual activity apart
> >> from the most rudimentary forms.  Oral sex, for example, is often
> >> described as sodomy (especially in American news reporting).
> >> 
> >> 
> >
> >I bet that leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.
> 
> Oh come now.
> 

I meant it tongue-in-cheek

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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Mark Roberts]

Cotty wrote:

>>> Note, too, the difference in meaning of "sodomize".  In British
>>> English sodomy is pretty much synonomous with buggery; in American
>>> usage it means just about any variation on sexual activity apart
>>> from the most rudimentary forms.  Oral sex, for example, is often
>>> described as sodomy (especially in American news reporting).
>>
>>I bet that leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.
>
>Oh come now.

It's *really* painful to laugh hard with a face full if stitches...
 
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Re: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Cotty]

>> >> Note, too, the difference in meaning of "sodomize".  In British
>> >> English sodomy is pretty much synonomous with buggery; in
>American
>> >> usage it means just about any variation on sexual activity apart
>> >> from the most rudimentary forms.  Oral sex, for example, is often
>> >> described as sodomy (especially in American news reporting).
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >
>> >I bet that leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.
>> 
>> Oh come now.
>> 
>
>I meant it tongue-in-cheek

Cunning!


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OT: GVS (RE: Need help: Photoshop molested children portraits?

[Bob W]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
5 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> It all started with the Great Vowel Shift...
> 
> -frank
> ==
> Okay, I'll bite. What the heck is the Great Vowel Shift?
>  
> Marnie aka who has a lot of vowels
> 

it is the name given to the changes in pronunciation of English vowels
that took place from the 15th to 18th centuries. To some extent it is
still taking place. It's the reason why some old poems have so-called
half-rhymes (ie they don't rhyme) - they did at the time - and one of
the reasons why English spelling can seem illogical. Spelling was
codified at a particular time and place along the line of the GVS, and
more or less accurately represents the pronunciation of the time &
place, but the pronunciation has since shifted.

Listen to some of the recordings here:
http://facweb.furman.edu/~mmenzer/gvs/what.htm

There is a distinct vowel shift taking place even now in the northern
cities of the USA among middle-class white people.

You may have fewer vowels than you think! In English a lot of spelt
vowels are just pronounced as schwa (the 2nd vowel in 'butter'), or as
diphthongs (and sometimes even triphthongs) depending on the variety
of English, rather than as vowels.

Bob


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