Re: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA)
Actually, they are trying to come up with a name for the new model that doesn't include an asterisk. Norm Tom C wrote: That's probably because Pentax just wants to keep it a big secret.
Re: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA)
Jens Bladt wrote: Hmmm.. Pentax had a consumer base for the *ist D. People like us who already have many Pentax SLR lenses. Exactly. As I said it was released to compete with the D100 and 10D so they wouldn't lose the advanced amateurs to other brands. The D upgrade will not have too many buyers. This is a plausible reason for the "consumer" DSLR's that followed. WHAT There are many people who bought the D or even DS, DL, DS2, DL2 that would love to have an upgrade like the D200 or 20D. The fact that Pentax is recycling the same sensor in all these cameras is reason enough to want something new. The DS/2, DL/2 were released to get new customers. That's the only reason that makes sense to me. The next digital "upgrade" is more likely a 645D - appealing to many 645 users. Good for them. I'm not going to switch to MF. I think some one with loads of 35mm glass isn't going to sell it and buy into 645. No, they'd be more likely to sell it and go with Canon or Nikon and keep the 35mm-styled bodies. There are not too many 645's for sale at the moment - not compared to Mamiya- I guess some 645 users are waiting for the 645D ?? Again, good for them. What about 35mm users? Would you expect Pentax to release a 645D AND a *ist D2 simultaneously? Of course I would! Not everyone has both 645 and 35mm gear. If Pentax were smart, they'd throw us lowly small format schmucks a bone and give us a APS-sized upgrade to the D like the 20D or D200. I doubt it. Think about it. Canon (only being used as an example) has 3 tiers of users/cameras: 1. Top level 1Ds/1DII. Think of this as equivalent to Pentax 645 users, granted the less-than-full-frame 1DII doesn't fit, but work with me. 2. 20D soon to be 30D (and sure add the 5D too; although it is pricey and the full frame doesn't fit too well in the example). Think of this as Pentax's D successor, if it ever exists. 3. Digital Rebels. Here we have the Pentax DS, DL, DS2 and DL2. So, Pentax can compete on level 1 with the 645D, but as is (and according to your assumption that Pentax WILL NOT release a "D2" at the same time as the 645D) has nothing to compete on level 2. This is the level I'm most interested in, and I bet there are a lot of people that fit this level and want a 20D competitor. As for level 3, I doesn't interest me but obviously Pentax has products in this category. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net
RE: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA)
On 4 Feb 2006 at 10:13, Cory Papenfuss wrote:
> I don't know that I'd agree. The -D is getting long in the tooth
> and it shows it (small buffer, blindingly stupid waste of space in RAW
> files, USB-1, etc). I would say there would be significant incentive to
> upgrade from any of the D series to a new D2 if the killer features were
> added:
>
> - 8-12 MP APS sensor. Full-frame probably too much to ask for at a
> reasonable price level. Must have good noise levels.
> - Full K-mount support
> - Upgraded electronics (larger LCD, buffer, faster USB, and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> lossless compression in RAW files)
> - Ergonomics of the -D (possibly improved a bit, but I wouldn't know)
>
> If those features were added, it would be a very tangible and
> tempting upgrade from the -D{,S,L,S2,L2}.
It is really pretty basic when it comes down to it, we've been waiting a long
time for a D successor.
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
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RE: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA)
On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, Jens Bladt wrote:
Hmmm..
Pentax had a consumer base for the *ist D. People like us who already have
many Pentax SLR lenses.
The D upgrade will not have too many buyers. This is a plausible reason for
the "consumer" DSLR's that followed.
The next digital "upgrade" is more likely a 645D - appealing to many 645
users. There are not too many 645's for sale at the moment - not compared to
Mamiya- I guess some 645 users are waiting for the 645D ?? There are loads
of Mamiya 645 for sale at ebay at the moment. Mamiya already announced their
22 Mp 645D (Mamiya ZD) more than a year ago. In the 645D market Pentax have
been much too slow also. Would you expect Pentax to release a 645D AND a
*ist D2 simultaneously? I doubt it.
Regards
I don't know that I'd agree. The -D is getting long in the tooth
and it shows it (small buffer, blindingly stupid waste of space in RAW
files, USB-1, etc). I would say there would be significant incentive to
upgrade from any of the D series to a new D2 if the killer features were
added:
- 8-12 MP APS sensor. Full-frame probably too much to ask for at a
reasonable price level. Must have good noise levels.
- Full K-mount support
- Upgraded electronics (larger LCD, buffer, faster USB, and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lossless compression in RAW files)
- Ergonomics of the -D (possibly improved a bit, but I wouldn't know)
If those features were added, it would be a very tangible and
tempting upgrade from the -D{,S,L,S2,L2}.
-Cory
--
*
* Cory Papenfuss*
* Electrical Engineering candidate Ph.D. graduate student *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
*
RE: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA)
True, except I didn't write what you quoted me for - and the D100 was not the top of the line Nikon DSLR. Nikon users had other options for upgrading. Other than that, I agree with Sylwek, except I don't expect Pentax to release a camera like that any day soon. I doubt Pentax will release a 645D and a *ist D2 at the same time. Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Sylwester Pietrzyk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 4. februar 2006 12:11 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA) Jens Bladt wrote on 04.02.06 11:47: > It almost seems that the original *ist D was thrown out there to shut us > up. After all it was the feature-equivalent competitor of the then > advanced amateur level camera like the D100 and 10D. Problem is they > haven't given us a D200 or 20D competitor (granted the D200 was a late > successor to the D100). Well, if *istD successor would show up this year it would be similar time as Nikon user's had to wait for D100 successor - D200. And I hope *istD2 (whatever) will be similar in specs to D200 - much faster AF (especially in low light), bigger buffer, 10MPix, full K-lenses compatibility... It doesn't even have to be weather sealed if it would be 400$ cheaper than D200 ;-) -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek
Re: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA)
Jens Bladt wrote on 04.02.06 11:47: > It almost seems that the original *ist D was thrown out there to shut us > up. After all it was the feature-equivalent competitor of the then > advanced amateur level camera like the D100 and 10D. Problem is they > haven't given us a D200 or 20D competitor (granted the D200 was a late > successor to the D100). Well, if *istD successor would show up this year it would be similar time as Nikon user's had to wait for D100 successor - D200. And I hope *istD2 (whatever) will be similar in specs to D200 - much faster AF (especially in low light), bigger buffer, 10MPix, full K-lenses compatibility... It doesn't even have to be weather sealed if it would be 400$ cheaper than D200 ;-) -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek
RE: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA)
Hmmm.. Pentax had a consumer base for the *ist D. People like us who already have many Pentax SLR lenses. The D upgrade will not have too many buyers. This is a plausible reason for the "consumer" DSLR's that followed. The next digital "upgrade" is more likely a 645D - appealing to many 645 users. There are not too many 645's for sale at the moment - not compared to Mamiya- I guess some 645 users are waiting for the 645D ?? There are loads of Mamiya 645 for sale at ebay at the moment. Mamiya already announced their 22 Mp 645D (Mamiya ZD) more than a year ago. In the 645D market Pentax have been much too slow also. Would you expect Pentax to release a 645D AND a *ist D2 simultaneously? I doubt it. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Christian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. februar 2006 15:58 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA) Tom C wrote: > > Pentax was also slow out the gate, but not as slow. Now though, they > are slow in introducing an upgrade path to the *ist D. This can't be > gaining them customers. Pentax is not trying to "keep" customers with an "upgrade" path. They seem more inclined to gain new entry level customers instead. Nothing wrong with that if they can get their name (or Samsung's name) out there as a competitor for good, compact, DSLRs suitable for your typical entry-level enthusiast (see also: P&S user wanting less shutter lag to take pictures of his/her kid playing sport or average person contemplating EVF type P&S). However, once they gain these new DSLR users, they will have to come up with some way to keep them wanting more. some of these entry-level photogs will want more feature rich, (yes higher MP; even if it is a numbers game) DSLR as their experience grows. This is what I'm interested in seeing. How/what is Pentax going to do? It almost seems that the original *ist D was thrown out there to shut us up. After all it was the feature-equivalent competitor of the then advanced amateur level camera like the D100 and 10D. Problem is they haven't given us a D200 or 20D competitor (granted the D200 was a late successor to the D100). -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net
Re: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA)
Tom C wrote: Pentax was also slow out the gate, but not as slow. Now though, they are slow in introducing an upgrade path to the *ist D. This can't be gaining them customers. Pentax is not trying to "keep" customers with an "upgrade" path. They seem more inclined to gain new entry level customers instead. Nothing wrong with that if they can get their name (or Samsung's name) out there as a competitor for good, compact, DSLRs suitable for your typical entry-level enthusiast (see also: P&S user wanting less shutter lag to take pictures of his/her kid playing sport or average person contemplating EVF type P&S). However, once they gain these new DSLR users, they will have to come up with some way to keep them wanting more. some of these entry-level photogs will want more feature rich, (yes higher MP; even if it is a numbers game) DSLR as their experience grows. This is what I'm interested in seeing. How/what is Pentax going to do? It almost seems that the original *ist D was thrown out there to shut us up. After all it was the feature-equivalent competitor of the then advanced amateur level camera like the D100 and 10D. Problem is they haven't given us a D200 or 20D competitor (granted the D200 was a late successor to the D100). -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net
RE: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA)
From: Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yeah, Tom. They're probably going to boldly introduce a 7mp to be available sometime this year..but only in Japan 'til '07. Boy, I'm excited. ;--))) I'm speculating that in the case of Konica-Minolta, they lost enough customers to competitors by dragging their feet so long before introducing a DSLR, that they no longer had the base to make it profitable. Pentax was also slow out the gate, but not as slow. Now though, they are slow in introducing an upgrade path to the *ist D. This can't be gaining them customers. It makes me wonder if history is not about to repeat itself. Tom C.
RE: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA)
Yeah, Tom. They're probably going to boldly introduce a 7mp to be available sometime this year..but only in Japan 'til '07. Boy, I'm excited. ;--))) Jack --- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's probably because Pentax just wants to keep it a big secret. > > > > Tom C. > > > > > > > >From: Perry Pellechia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > >To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > >Subject: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA) > >Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:50:31 -0500 > > > >Pixel Counting Joins Film in Obsolete Bin > > > >Published: February 2, 2006 > > > >IF you work in the camera industry, February is an exciting month. > >That's when you head down to Florida for the annual Photo Marketing > >Association convention, where your company will unveil its latest > >camera models, thus making the ones everybody got for Christmas > >obsolete. But this February is more exciting than most. Big changes > >are in the photographic air. > > > >http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/02/technology/circuits/02pogue.html?_r=1&oref=login > > > >Almost every manufacturer is mentioned except Pentax :-( > > > > > ><> > >Perry Pellechia > > > >Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry > ><> > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA)
I saw Samsung, the partner for Pentax. Jim A. > From: Perry Pellechia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:50:31 -0500 > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA) > Resent-From: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:50:33 -0500 > > Pixel Counting Joins Film in Obsolete Bin > > Published: February 2, 2006 > > IF you work in the camera industry, February is an exciting month. > That's when you head down to Florida for the annual Photo Marketing > Association convention, where your company will unveil its latest > camera models, thus making the ones everybody got for Christmas > obsolete. But this February is more exciting than most. Big changes > are in the photographic air. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/02/technology/circuits/02pogue.html?_r=1&oref=l > ogin > > Almost every manufacturer is mentioned except Pentax :-( > > > <> > Perry Pellechia > > Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry > <> >
Re: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA)
There doing a great job then. On 2/2/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's probably because Pentax just wants to keep it a big secret. > > > > Tom C. > > > > > > > >From: Perry Pellechia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > >To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > >Subject: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA) > >Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:50:31 -0500 > > > >Pixel Counting Joins Film in Obsolete Bin > > > >Published: February 2, 2006 > > > >IF you work in the camera industry, February is an exciting month. > >That's when you head down to Florida for the annual Photo Marketing > >Association convention, where your company will unveil its latest > >camera models, thus making the ones everybody got for Christmas > >obsolete. But this February is more exciting than most. Big changes > >are in the photographic air. > > > >http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/02/technology/circuits/02pogue.html?_r=1&oref=login > > > >Almost every manufacturer is mentioned except Pentax :-( > > > > > ><> > >Perry Pellechia > > > >Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry > ><> > > > > > -- <> Perry Pellechia Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry <>
RE: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA)
The article focused primarily on point and shoot. No biggy. -- Original message -- From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > That's probably because Pentax just wants to keep it a big secret. > > > > Tom C. > > > > > > > >From: Perry Pellechia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > >To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > >Subject: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA) > >Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:50:31 -0500 > > > >Pixel Counting Joins Film in Obsolete Bin > > > >Published: February 2, 2006 > > > >IF you work in the camera industry, February is an exciting month. > >That's when you head down to Florida for the annual Photo Marketing > >Association convention, where your company will unveil its latest > >camera models, thus making the ones everybody got for Christmas > >obsolete. But this February is more exciting than most. Big changes > >are in the photographic air. > > > >http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/02/technology/circuits/02pogue.html?_r=1&oref=lo > gin > > > >Almost every manufacturer is mentioned except Pentax :-( > > > > > ><> > >Perry Pellechia > > > >Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry > ><> > > > >
RE: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA)
That's probably because Pentax just wants to keep it a big secret. Tom C. From: Perry Pellechia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:50:31 -0500 Pixel Counting Joins Film in Obsolete Bin Published: February 2, 2006 IF you work in the camera industry, February is an exciting month. That's when you head down to Florida for the annual Photo Marketing Association convention, where your company will unveil its latest camera models, thus making the ones everybody got for Christmas obsolete. But this February is more exciting than most. Big changes are in the photographic air. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/02/technology/circuits/02pogue.html?_r=1&oref=login Almost every manufacturer is mentioned except Pentax :-( <> Perry Pellechia Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry <>
OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA)
Pixel Counting Joins Film in Obsolete Bin Published: February 2, 2006 IF you work in the camera industry, February is an exciting month. That's when you head down to Florida for the annual Photo Marketing Association convention, where your company will unveil its latest camera models, thus making the ones everybody got for Christmas obsolete. But this February is more exciting than most. Big changes are in the photographic air. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/02/technology/circuits/02pogue.html?_r=1&oref=login Almost every manufacturer is mentioned except Pentax :-( <> Perry Pellechia Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry <>
