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On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 3:56 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > Opening .docx files requires M$ Office 2007 or later. Or the free add-in for earlier versions. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyId=941b3470-3ae9-4aee-8f43-c6bb74cd1466&displaylang=en > The "advantage" is a file format that can't be opened by earlier versions of > Word. You have to buy an upgrade to at least Office 2007 if you are required > to work with .docx files. Or you could download the free add-in for earlier versions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Godfrey DiGiorgi BTW: What value is there in ".docx" files vs .doc files? or even vs .rtf files? I've never seen one. I'd be curious to know. Pages '09 reads .DOCX files too, how they differ from .DOC files and what advantage they pose seems invisible. Opening .docx files requires M$ Office 2007 or later. The "advantage" is a file format that can't be opened by earlier versions of Word. You have to buy an upgrade to at least Office 2007 if you are required to work with .docx files. .docx indicates the file is compliant with Micro$oft's proprietary Office Open XML "standard" (not to be confused with XML, Office XML, Open Office XML or Open XML). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: paul stenquist On Jan 1, 2011, at 5:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 1:49 PM, steve harley wrote: Text Wrangler is a free download from Bare Bones Software, see http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/ May not need it, i forgot i ordered office.mac with the new computer. I have fired off an email to fetch support to see what they suggest i do. I like the program for my site uploads. i think you'll find TextWrangler much more satisfactory than MS Word for editing html and other text files; it's worth the time to download Absolutely. I can't imagine running a computer without a plain text editor ... I do most of my first draft writing work in TextWrangler first, then bring it into Pages for editing, revision and formatting. (My computer is a Microsoft Free Zone. ;-) Then you can't write for the NY Times -- or most other publishers. All of whom want Word docs. Although I suppose there's a way of faking a word doc with other software. Hardly seems worth the trouble to me, though. Paul You don't have to fake it, and it's hardly any trouble at all. Almost any word processing program has the capability to "save as" a Micro$soft Word document. And you usually have a choice of versions. Sometimes the program might tell you it thinks you're making a poor choice selecting Word format, but still, it will let you do it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/2/2011 2:51 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2011-01-01 19:02 , paul stenquist wrote: I'm using Word 2004. It works fine, but won't open .docx files, which are becoming more common. There is a conversion utility that I use, but it's time consuming. I'll probably upgrade soon. Don't want to, but business comes first. i could be wrong, because it hasn't been important enough to me to try it, but i'm under the impression that there's a plug-in from MS that makes Word 2004 open .docx transparently According to Microsoft it works with every version since Word 2000. I haven't gotten around to -screwing- err upgrading my installations by adding it to Word 2000 and 2003 yet... -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 2, 2011, at 2:51 PM, steve harley wrote: > On 2011-01-01 19:02 , paul stenquist wrote: >> I'm using Word 2004. It works fine, but won't open .docx files, which are >> becoming more common. There is a conversion utility that I use, but it's >> time consuming. I'll probably upgrade soon. Don't want to, but business >> comes first. > > i could be wrong, because it hasn't been important enough to me to try it, > but i'm under the impression that there's a plug-in from MS that makes Word > 2004 open .docx transparently There is a plug in for opening the docx files. I use it, but it's clunky and sometimes has problems. Paul > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-01-01 19:15 , paul stenquist wrote: Does it save them without any changes? I've thought about trying Open Office. Seems to work for most users. Not sure if it's as good on Mac as it is on PC. i'd expect it to change the document files when they are resaved, but to preserve the appearance of the documents OpenOffice works well on my Mac, i've used it quite a bit including for detailed documents with page-layout type features; i've had a few problems getting it to use OpenType fonts and to output high-res images when exporting PDFs, but within the last year or so a new version cleared up most of the problems i saw; i haven't used it for such detailed stuff for a while though also i found its style sheet system even harder to manage than Word's, and precise positioning of inline graphics to be a black art for just text with basic styling applied you should expect no problems -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-01-01 19:02 , paul stenquist wrote: I'm using Word 2004. It works fine, but won't open .docx files, which are becoming more common. There is a conversion utility that I use, but it's time consuming. I'll probably upgrade soon. Don't want to, but business comes first. i could be wrong, because it hasn't been important enough to me to try it, but i'm under the impression that there's a plug-in from MS that makes Word 2004 open .docx transparently -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/2/2011 12:24 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: On 1/2/2011 4:31 AM, Bob W wrote: BTW: What value is there in ".docx" files vs .doc files? or even vs .rtf files? I've never seen one. I'd be curious to know. Pages '09 reads .DOCX files too, how they differ from .DOC files and what advantage they pose seems invisible. To the non-technical end user it doesn't really matter other than that .doc is the most proprietary of the formats. The others are an attempt to open up document formats to make them easier to share. docx is an xml format whereas the others are (I think) binary. xml is a notation used for structuring texts. Doc is proprietary to MS, as indeed is docx, but it's open and the dtd (a machine-readable technical document that describes types of xml text) is published somewhere so that xml processors should theoretically be able to deal with it and published changes relatively easily. xml itself is a mess, but that's a different story. rtf is not proprietary. For the type of word processing that I do - keeping things simple based on long-standing document design principles and avoiding all the crap - it's perfectly adequate. B That should be "...uncompiled DOC file..." damn spell checker made the change and I didn't notice. The rest of that impenetrable sentence/paragraph I have to take credit/blame for. Actually RTF is propriatory. It's a Microsoft standard and you won't find it described anywhere official except in Microsoft's RTF documentation, of which there is only one publicly released document, currently on version 1.6 all previous versions having been withdrawn, probably because they were too easy to read.. Microsoft can change RTF at anytime and not bother to notify anyone. It is essentially an uncompilable DOC file. It's major advantage is that it's Human readable though it's not nearly as structured as HTML, and by human readable I mean just barely. You can hand code RTF documents that while following all the rules of RTF such as they are, will crash pretty much every RTF reader including Word, with nary an error message. The definitive RTF reference that's not Microsoft is the O'Reily Pocket Guide. It is AFAIK the only published discrimination of the language other than Microsoft's RTF Specification. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/2/2011 4:31 AM, Bob W wrote: BTW: What value is there in ".docx" files vs .doc files? or even vs .rtf files? I've never seen one. I'd be curious to know. Pages '09 reads .DOCX files too, how they differ from .DOC files and what advantage they pose seems invisible. To the non-technical end user it doesn't really matter other than that .doc is the most proprietary of the formats. The others are an attempt to open up document formats to make them easier to share. docx is an xml format whereas the others are (I think) binary. xml is a notation used for structuring texts. Doc is proprietary to MS, as indeed is docx, but it's open and the dtd (a machine-readable technical document that describes types of xml text) is published somewhere so that xml processors should theoretically be able to deal with it and published changes relatively easily. xml itself is a mess, but that's a different story. rtf is not proprietary. For the type of word processing that I do - keeping things simple based on long-standing document design principles and avoiding all the crap - it's perfectly adequate. B Actually RTF is propriatory. It's a Microsoft standard and you won't find it described anywhere official except in Microsoft's RTF documentation, of which there is only one publicly released document, currently on version 1.6 all previous versions having been withdrawn, probably because they were too easy to read.. Microsoft can change RTF at anytime and not bother to notify anyone. It is essentially an uncompilable DOC file. It's major advantage is that it's Human readable though it's not nearly as structured as HTML, and by human readable I mean just barely. You can hand code RTF documents that while following all the rules of RTF such as they are, will crash pretty much every RTF reader including Word, with nary an error message. The definitive RTF reference that's not Microsoft is the O'Reily Pocket Guide. It is AFAIK the only published discrimination of the language other than Microsoft's RTF Specification. -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > > If you save in RTF format and change the file extension (not the > actual format) to .doc you'll find Word opens it without so much as a > hiccup. Really. Huh. > > (BTW: I'm using Word 97. There's nothing I need a word processor to do > that it can't do. In fact, I'd still be using Word 95 except that it > doesn't support the mouse scroll wheel.) I have 2000 on the PC but have not been able to boot that thing up in over a month. Dave > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 3:26 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >> I have text wrangler on the iBook, and use it for my html. I have >> tried doing documents in Appleworks and save them as word doc's but no >> one has had success opening them. thus office.mac. > > AppleWorks is ancient history. It was ancient history in 2002 when it > was renamed AppleWorks from ClarisWorks. It never exported Word .DOC > files very well, but it could output usable .RTF files. I wouldn't > recommend using AppleWorks at all on Mac OS X v10.6 "Snow Leopard" ... > It was buggy even half a decade ago. Maybe that is part of my problem.?? I'll try the RTF that some have suggested, but at least word/excel will be on the computer if needed. Dave > > I converted all my ClarisWorks/AppleWorks word processing documents to > .RTF and imported them into Pages, then output them as Pages > documents. Only a few documents created with mixed module combinations > (CW/AW word-paint-vector graphics) caused me any grief ... and none of > those were needed in an editable form, so I just output them as PDFs > and tossed the originals. > > I detest Office. I'll use it when needed ... I have an alternative > boot disk that I can run it from if it's absolutely necessary ... but > it's so buggy and loads so much crap onto a system that unless I was > dependent on it I'd rather not have it installed. I have no need of > Word ... PowerPoint, Excel, or Entourage neither ... so why should I > waste the disk space on this crap? > -- > Godfrey > godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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true enough. All I said was that it worked for me - didn't say anything about its suitability for others. B > That's because you don't have to write and/or later read any Hebrew or > otherwise right to left documents, Bob... > > On 1/2/2011 11:13 AM, Bob W wrote: > >>> > >>> I encounter .docx files occasionally. OpenOffice opens them > >>> effortlessly. > >> > >> Does it save them without any changes? I've thought about trying > Open > >> Office. Seems to work for most users. Not sure if it's as good on > Mac > >> as it is on PC. > > > > I use OpenOffice on one of my PCs (MS Office on others). It doesn't > seem to > > have any problems saving docx, apart from the nag screen it pops up. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> > BTW: What value is there in ".docx" files vs .doc files? or even vs > .rtf files? I've never seen one. I'd be curious to know. Pages '09 > reads .DOCX files too, how they differ from .DOC files and what > advantage they pose seems invisible. To the non-technical end user it doesn't really matter other than that .doc is the most proprietary of the formats. The others are an attempt to open up document formats to make them easier to share. docx is an xml format whereas the others are (I think) binary. xml is a notation used for structuring texts. Doc is proprietary to MS, as indeed is docx, but it's open and the dtd (a machine-readable technical document that describes types of xml text) is published somewhere so that xml processors should theoretically be able to deal with it and published changes relatively easily. xml itself is a mess, but that's a different story. rtf is not proprietary. For the type of word processing that I do - keeping things simple based on long-standing document design principles and avoiding all the crap - it's perfectly adequate. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That's because you don't have to write and/or later read any Hebrew or otherwise right to left documents, Bob... On 1/2/2011 11:13 AM, Bob W wrote: I encounter .docx files occasionally. OpenOffice opens them effortlessly. Does it save them without any changes? I've thought about trying Open Office. Seems to work for most users. Not sure if it's as good on Mac as it is on PC. I use OpenOffice on one of my PCs (MS Office on others). It doesn't seem to have any problems saving docx, apart from the nag screen it pops up. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> > > > I encounter .docx files occasionally. OpenOffice opens them > > effortlessly. > > Does it save them without any changes? I've thought about trying Open > Office. Seems to work for most users. Not sure if it's as good on Mac > as it is on PC. I use OpenOffice on one of my PCs (MS Office on others). It doesn't seem to have any problems saving docx, apart from the nag screen it pops up. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> I don't know what advantage they offer -- and I don't care. But as a > journalist and editor, I encounter them frequently, and I have to deal with > them. Word makes that easy. Do I like Word? Hell no. My WP of choice way back > when was Write Now, before that Quark Word Juggler. But I work with whatever > is on my desk. Sometimes I have to turn something around in 30 minutes. No > time for anti-microsoft bullshit. I'll leave the moral battles to those who > have time for them. I don't have to deal with microsoft bullshit either. I don't install it, I double click an .RTF, .DOC, or .DOCX file and Pages opens it, I do my editing, and then export to a .DOC or .RTF file when needed. It's less bullshit, Paul, since I don't need to install or maintain any of that that crappy MS software. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 1, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > paul stenquist wrote: > >> I'm using Word 2004. It works fine, but won't open .docx files, which are >> becoming more common. There is a conversion utility that I use, but it's >> time consuming. I'll probably upgrade soon. Don't want to, but business >> comes first. > > I encounter .docx files occasionally. OpenOffice opens them > effortlessly. Does it save them without any changes? I've thought about trying Open Office. Seems to work for most users. Not sure if it's as good on Mac as it is on PC. Paul > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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paul stenquist wrote: >I'm using Word 2004. It works fine, but won't open .docx files, which are >becoming more common. There is a conversion utility that I use, but it's time >consuming. I'll probably upgrade soon. Don't want to, but business comes first. I encounter .docx files occasionally. OpenOffice opens them effortlessly. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 1, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > paul stenquist wrote: > >> On Jan 1, 2011, at 7:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> >>> Pages imports and exports Word .DOC files or .RTF files. They work >>> perfectly in Word. The technical writing I'm doing now requires either >>> the company's home-grown editing suite or plain text. I distribute >>> articles and other collateral produced for pay with Acrobat PDF files >>> (exported from Pages). I have no need of Word. >> >> The Times wouldn't accept PDF files, nor would most of the other pubs I work >> for. They want a Word doc that opens in Word. But if you don't need it, >> that's fine. > > If you save in RTF format and change the file extension (not the > actual format) to .doc you'll find Word opens it without so much as a > hiccup. > > (BTW: I'm using Word 97. There's nothing I need a word processor to do > that it can't do. In fact, I'd still be using Word 95 except that it > doesn't support the mouse scroll wheel.) > I'm using Word 2004. It works fine, but won't open .docx files, which are becoming more common. There is a conversion utility that I use, but it's time consuming. I'll probably upgrade soon. Don't want to, but business comes first. Paul > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 1, 2011, at 7:48 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 4:32 PM, paul stenquist > wrote: > >> Seriously, I just don't want to fool around. I also have to use .docx files >> -- sometimes converting them. I'm sure there's a workaround, but why bother. >> Word is cheap, and it works well fro the most part. > > I don't want to fool around either. I want to work with an application > suite that does what I need quickly, efficiently, and without > problems. That's different from supplying deliverables for a customer > to use ... eg: I work with raw files from several different cameras, > my photo clients want TIFF or JPEG files. How I create the > deliverables is irrelevant to them. Same goes for making Word files. > > BTW: What value is there in ".docx" files vs .doc files? or even vs > .rtf files? I've never seen one. I'd be curious to know. Pages '09 > reads .DOCX files too, how they differ from .DOC files and what > advantage they pose seems invisible. > I don't know what advantage they offer -- and I don't care. But as a journalist and editor, I encounter them frequently, and I have to deal with them. Word makes that easy. Do I like Word? Hell no. My WP of choice way back when was Write Now, before that Quark Word Juggler. But I work with whatever is on my desk. Sometimes I have to turn something around in 30 minutes. No time for anti-microsoft bullshit. I'll leave the moral battles to those who have time for them. Paul > -- > Godfrey > godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/1/2011 8:05 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: paul stenquist wrote: On Jan 1, 2011, at 7:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Pages imports and exports Word .DOC files or .RTF files. They work perfectly in Word. The technical writing I'm doing now requires either the company's home-grown editing suite or plain text. I distribute articles and other collateral produced for pay with Acrobat PDF files (exported from Pages). I have no need of Word. The Times wouldn't accept PDF files, nor would most of the other pubs I work for. They want a Word doc that opens in Word. But if you don't need it, that's fine. If you save in RTF format and change the file extension (not the actual format) to .doc you'll find Word opens it without so much as a hiccup. (BTW: I'm using Word 97. There's nothing I need a word processor to do that it can't do. In fact, I'd still be using Word 95 except that it doesn't support the mouse scroll wheel.) and I thought I was being a Luddite using Word 2000, OK, I've got word 2003 on my laptop but there's nothing I need that 2000 doesn't do. -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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paul stenquist wrote: >On Jan 1, 2011, at 7:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > >> Pages imports and exports Word .DOC files or .RTF files. They work >> perfectly in Word. The technical writing I'm doing now requires either >> the company's home-grown editing suite or plain text. I distribute >> articles and other collateral produced for pay with Acrobat PDF files >> (exported from Pages). I have no need of Word. > >The Times wouldn't accept PDF files, nor would most of the other pubs I work >for. They want a Word doc that opens in Word. But if you don't need it, that's >fine. If you save in RTF format and change the file extension (not the actual format) to .doc you'll find Word opens it without so much as a hiccup. (BTW: I'm using Word 97. There's nothing I need a word processor to do that it can't do. In fact, I'd still be using Word 95 except that it doesn't support the mouse scroll wheel.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 4:32 PM, paul stenquist wrote: > Seriously, I just don't want to fool around. I also have to use .docx files > -- sometimes converting them. I'm sure there's a workaround, but why bother. > Word is cheap, and it works well fro the most part. I don't want to fool around either. I want to work with an application suite that does what I need quickly, efficiently, and without problems. That's different from supplying deliverables for a customer to use ... eg: I work with raw files from several different cameras, my photo clients want TIFF or JPEG files. How I create the deliverables is irrelevant to them. Same goes for making Word files. BTW: What value is there in ".docx" files vs .doc files? or even vs .rtf files? I've never seen one. I'd be curious to know. Pages '09 reads .DOCX files too, how they differ from .DOC files and what advantage they pose seems invisible. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 1, 2011, at 7:18 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > I'm glad that's fine. ;-) Me too. Seriously, I just don't want to fool around. I also have to use .docx files -- sometimes converting them. I'm sure there's a workaround, but why bother. Word is cheap, and it works well fro the most part. Paul > -- > Godfrey > godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 4:12 PM, paul stenquist wrote: > The Times wouldn't accept PDF files, nor would most of the other pubs I work > for. They want a Word doc that opens in Word. But if you don't need it, > that's fine. I have several clients that require deliverables in Word format. I send them .DOC or .RTF files exported from Pages. None have ever had any problems with them. I have also submitted resumes and CVs to HR departments which use Word document scanning software ... they've all succeeded processing my documents with no problems. I don't need Word. I'm glad that's fine. ;-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 3:26 PM, David J Brooks wrote: > I have text wrangler on the iBook, and use it for my html. I have > tried doing documents in Appleworks and save them as word doc's but no > one has had success opening them. thus office.mac. AppleWorks is ancient history. It was ancient history in 2002 when it was renamed AppleWorks from ClarisWorks. It never exported Word .DOC files very well, but it could output usable .RTF files. I wouldn't recommend using AppleWorks at all on Mac OS X v10.6 "Snow Leopard" ... It was buggy even half a decade ago. I converted all my ClarisWorks/AppleWorks word processing documents to .RTF and imported them into Pages, then output them as Pages documents. Only a few documents created with mixed module combinations (CW/AW word-paint-vector graphics) caused me any grief ... and none of those were needed in an editable form, so I just output them as PDFs and tossed the originals. I detest Office. I'll use it when needed ... I have an alternative boot disk that I can run it from if it's absolutely necessary ... but it's so buggy and loads so much crap onto a system that unless I was dependent on it I'd rather not have it installed. I have no need of Word ... PowerPoint, Excel, or Entourage neither ... so why should I waste the disk space on this crap? -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 1, 2011, at 7:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > Paul, > > Pages imports and exports Word .DOC files or .RTF files. They work > perfectly in Word. The technical writing I'm doing now requires either > the company's home-grown editing suite or plain text. I distribute > articles and other collateral produced for pay with Acrobat PDF files > (exported from Pages). I have no need of Word. > > Godfrey > The Times wouldn't accept PDF files, nor would most of the other pubs I work for. They want a Word doc that opens in Word. But if you don't need it, that's fine. Paul > On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 3:02 PM, paul stenquist > wrote: >> >> On Jan 1, 2011, at 5:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 1:49 PM, steve harley wrote: >>> >> Text Wrangler is a free download from Bare Bones Software, see >> http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/ > > May not need it, i forgot i ordered office.mac with the new computer. > I have fired off an email to fetch support to see what they suggest i > do. I like the program for my site uploads. i think you'll find TextWrangler much more satisfactory than MS Word for editing html and other text files; it's worth the time to download >>> >>> Absolutely. I can't imagine running a computer without a plain text >>> editor ... I do most of my first draft writing work in TextWrangler >>> first, then bring it into Pages for editing, revision and formatting. >>> (My computer is a Microsoft Free Zone. ;-) >> >> Then you can't write for the NY Times -- or most other publishers. All of >> whom want Word docs. Although I suppose there's a way of faking a word doc >> with other software. Hardly seems worth the trouble to me, though. >> Paul >> >>> >>> -- >>> Godfrey >>> godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > > -- > Godfrey > godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul, Pages imports and exports Word .DOC files or .RTF files. They work perfectly in Word. The technical writing I'm doing now requires either the company's home-grown editing suite or plain text. I distribute articles and other collateral produced for pay with Acrobat PDF files (exported from Pages). I have no need of Word. Godfrey On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 3:02 PM, paul stenquist wrote: > > On Jan 1, 2011, at 5:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > >> On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 1:49 PM, steve harley wrote: >> > Text Wrangler is a free download from Bare Bones Software, see > http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/ May not need it, i forgot i ordered office.mac with the new computer. I have fired off an email to fetch support to see what they suggest i do. I like the program for my site uploads. >>> >>> i think you'll find TextWrangler much more satisfactory than MS Word for >>> editing html and other text files; it's worth the time to download >> >> Absolutely. I can't imagine running a computer without a plain text >> editor ... I do most of my first draft writing work in TextWrangler >> first, then bring it into Pages for editing, revision and formatting. >> (My computer is a Microsoft Free Zone. ;-) > > Then you can't write for the NY Times -- or most other publishers. All of > whom want Word docs. Although I suppose there's a way of faking a word doc > with other software. Hardly seems worth the trouble to me, though. > Paul > >> >> -- >> Godfrey >> godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/1/11, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: >I use Word by Mrs happily uses AppleWorks. That should read: I use Word *but* my Mrs happily uses AppleWorks. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-01-01 16:26 , David J Brooks wrote: On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 6:02 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Then you can't write for the NY Times -- or most other publishers. All of whom want Word docs. Although I suppose there's a way of faking a word doc with other software. Hardly seems worth the trouble to me, though. Paul I have text wrangler on the iBook, and use it for my html. I have tried doing documents in Appleworks and save them as word doc's but no one has had success opening them. thus office.mac. AppleWorks is long-discontinued; Apple's Pages (part of iWork, which is a "simple" office suite) can create Word documents, as can the free OpenOffice, and even TextEdit (built into Mac OS X); and the online Google Docs can handle Word; each can open most Word documents too; this is ignoring an even larger collection of tools that can produce RTF; there are definitely features missing from each (though OpenOffice is pretty complete) and a few compatibility issues; i have Office 2004, but only launched Word once or twice in 2010 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/1/11, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: >tried doing documents in Appleworks and save them as word doc's Save as a Rich Text File, and make sure your email app encodes the attached RTF file as Base64. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/1/11, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: >Then you can't write for the NY Times -- or most other publishers. All >of whom want Word docs. Although I suppose there's a way of faking a >word doc with other software. Hardly seems worth the trouble to me, though. Paul, most word processing software will save as RTF which any MS Word app can see no probs. I use Word by Mrs happily uses AppleWorks. If she's sending something I always get her to save in RTF. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 6:02 PM, paul stenquist wrote: > > On Jan 1, 2011, at 5:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > >> On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 1:49 PM, steve harley wrote: >> > Text Wrangler is a free download from Bare Bones Software, see > http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/ May not need it, i forgot i ordered office.mac with the new computer. I have fired off an email to fetch support to see what they suggest i do. I like the program for my site uploads. >>> >>> i think you'll find TextWrangler much more satisfactory than MS Word for >>> editing html and other text files; it's worth the time to download >> >> Absolutely. I can't imagine running a computer without a plain text >> editor ... I do most of my first draft writing work in TextWrangler >> first, then bring it into Pages for editing, revision and formatting. >> (My computer is a Microsoft Free Zone. ;-) > > Then you can't write for the NY Times -- or most other publishers. All of > whom want Word docs. Although I suppose there's a way of faking a word doc > with other software. Hardly seems worth the trouble to me, though. > Paul I have text wrangler on the iBook, and use it for my html. I have tried doing documents in Appleworks and save them as word doc's but no one has had success opening them. thus office.mac. dave > >> >> -- >> Godfrey >> godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 1, 2011, at 5:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 1:49 PM, steve harley wrote: > Text Wrangler is a free download from Bare Bones Software, see http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/ >>> >>> May not need it, i forgot i ordered office.mac with the new computer. >>> I have fired off an email to fetch support to see what they suggest i >>> do. I like the program for my site uploads. >> >> i think you'll find TextWrangler much more satisfactory than MS Word for >> editing html and other text files; it's worth the time to download > > Absolutely. I can't imagine running a computer without a plain text > editor ... I do most of my first draft writing work in TextWrangler > first, then bring it into Pages for editing, revision and formatting. > (My computer is a Microsoft Free Zone. ;-) Then you can't write for the NY Times -- or most other publishers. All of whom want Word docs. Although I suppose there's a way of faking a word doc with other software. Hardly seems worth the trouble to me, though. Paul > > -- > Godfrey > godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 1:49 PM, steve harley wrote: >>> Text Wrangler is a free download from Bare Bones Software, see >>> http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/ >> >> May not need it, i forgot i ordered office.mac with the new computer. >> I have fired off an email to fetch support to see what they suggest i >> do. I like the program for my site uploads. > > i think you'll find TextWrangler much more satisfactory than MS Word for > editing html and other text files; it's worth the time to download Absolutely. I can't imagine running a computer without a plain text editor ... I do most of my first draft writing work in TextWrangler first, then bring it into Pages for editing, revision and formatting. (My computer is a Microsoft Free Zone. ;-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-01-01 06:15 , David J Brooks wrote: On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 12:27 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Text Wrangler is a free download from Bare Bones Software, see http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/ May not need it, i forgot i ordered office.mac with the new computer. I have fired off an email to fetch support to see what they suggest i do. I like the program for my site uploads. i think you'll find TextWrangler much more satisfactory than MS Word for editing html and other text files; it's worth the time to download -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 12:27 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 4:58 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >> By that, i am assuming you mean set up CS. LR etc with my disk not >> migrate. I have disks for both. > > Yes. I figured that, it just i get super duper paranoid when dealing with upgrades or anything new. > >> Other than what comes with iLife, my only other applications are >> Toast, jalbum., text wrangeler and fetch, no disks for those. >> I don';t have a disk for toast, and can get one, and bought fetch via >> download. > > Text Wrangler is a free download from Bare Bones Software, see > http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/ May not need it, i forgot i ordered office.mac with the new computer. I have fired off an email to fetch support to see what they suggest i do. I like the program for my site uploads. Dave > > * with one additional step: I used SuperDuper to clone my working startup drive first and ran the Migration Assistant using the clone. That completely eliminates all possibility of anything during the installation process losing data on the old system. >> >> I'll have to look at that. > > It's unnecessary for most purposes. One of the reasons I did it was > that it was difficult to connect the old machine and the new machine > on my desk at the time, it was easier to have the new machine and a > hard drive representing the old machine on a work table elsewhere. :-) > -- > Godfrey > godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 4:58 PM, David J Brooks wrote: > By that, i am assuming you mean set up CS. LR etc with my disk not > migrate. I have disks for both. Yes. > Other than what comes with iLife, my only other applications are > Toast, jalbum., text wrangeler and fetch, no disks for those. > I don';t have a disk for toast, and can get one, and bought fetch via > download. Text Wrangler is a free download from Bare Bones Software, see http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/ >>> * with one additional step: I used SuperDuper to clone my working >>> startup drive first and ran the Migration Assistant using the clone. >>> That completely eliminates all possibility of anything during the >>> installation process losing data on the old system. > > I'll have to look at that. It's unnecessary for most purposes. One of the reasons I did it was that it was difficult to connect the old machine and the new machine on my desk at the time, it was easier to have the new machine and a hard drive representing the old machine on a work table elsewhere. :-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> > On Dec 31, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > >> 1- leave the older system unplugged until asked to do so. >> 2- you can do it at any time, the Migration Assistant is always >> available to use. >> 3- you have options for exactly what you can migrate 10-4 >> >> I *strongly* recommend first setting up the new system and installing >> all your applications fresh from the original distribution media. Do >> all the Software Updates, make sure the new system is working >> perfectly. THEN run the Migration Assistant and migrate all your USER >> files, NO applications or system additions. By that, i am assuming you mean set up CS. LR etc with my disk not migrate. I have disks for both. Other than what comes with iLife, my only other applications are Toast, jalbum., text wrangeler and fetch, no disks for those. I don';t have a disk for toast, and can get one, and bought fetch via download. Dave >> >> This is exactly how I configured my own new system in August 2010* and >> exactly how I have set up new systems for about three dozen clients in >> the past couple of years. It is an efficient and robust methodology to >> configuring a new Apple system. I have had to do zero support on all >> those installations, they all worked flawlessly from the moment I >> handed them back to the clients. >> >> Godfrey > > I ended up doing it as Godfrey described as well. I tried migrating > applications first, and many didn't work. I ended up erasing the hard drive > and starting over. It all works perfectly now. > Paul >> >> * with one additional step: I used SuperDuper to clone my working >> startup drive first and ran the Migration Assistant using the clone. >> That completely eliminates all possibility of anything during the >> installation process losing data on the old system. I'll have to look at that. Dave >> >> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 4:09 AM, David J Brooks wrote: >>> Happy New Year all. >>> >>> Looks like my iMac will be ordered in a day or so with projected >>> delivery on the week of the 7th. >>> >>> I have been told by a friend of mine, who has a graphics business and >>> uses Mac, as well as 1-2 lister, that i will be able to hook up my >>> iBook to the new iMac and transfer files and programs over. >>> My friend tells me to hook up at start up of the iMac but what I see >>> on the Apple site it does not suggest that. >>> I know i need a firewire adaptor from 400 to 800 but what are the >>> thoughts on migration. I don't want to screw this up. >>> >>> Hopefully programs like PSCS1 and Toast 6 will run on the new OS. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> -- >>> Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. >>> www.caughtinmotion.com >>> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ >>> York Region, Ontario, Canada >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Godfrey >> godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 31, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > 1- leave the older system unplugged until asked to do so. > 2- you can do it at any time, the Migration Assistant is always > available to use. > 3- you have options for exactly what you can migrate > > I *strongly* recommend first setting up the new system and installing > all your applications fresh from the original distribution media. Do > all the Software Updates, make sure the new system is working > perfectly. THEN run the Migration Assistant and migrate all your USER > files, NO applications or system additions. > > This is exactly how I configured my own new system in August 2010* and > exactly how I have set up new systems for about three dozen clients in > the past couple of years. It is an efficient and robust methodology to > configuring a new Apple system. I have had to do zero support on all > those installations, they all worked flawlessly from the moment I > handed them back to the clients. > > Godfrey I ended up doing it as Godfrey described as well. I tried migrating applications first, and many didn't work. I ended up erasing the hard drive and starting over. It all works perfectly now. Paul > > * with one additional step: I used SuperDuper to clone my working > startup drive first and ran the Migration Assistant using the clone. > That completely eliminates all possibility of anything during the > installation process losing data on the old system. > > On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 4:09 AM, David J Brooks wrote: >> Happy New Year all. >> >> Looks like my iMac will be ordered in a day or so with projected >> delivery on the week of the 7th. >> >> I have been told by a friend of mine, who has a graphics business and >> uses Mac, as well as 1-2 lister, that i will be able to hook up my >> iBook to the new iMac and transfer files and programs over. >> My friend tells me to hook up at start up of the iMac but what I see >> on the Apple site it does not suggest that. >> I know i need a firewire adaptor from 400 to 800 but what are the >> thoughts on migration. I don't want to screw this up. >> >> Hopefully programs like PSCS1 and Toast 6 will run on the new OS. >> >> Dave >> >> -- >> Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. >> www.caughtinmotion.com >> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ >> York Region, Ontario, Canada >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > > -- > Godfrey > godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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1- leave the older system unplugged until asked to do so. 2- you can do it at any time, the Migration Assistant is always available to use. 3- you have options for exactly what you can migrate I *strongly* recommend first setting up the new system and installing all your applications fresh from the original distribution media. Do all the Software Updates, make sure the new system is working perfectly. THEN run the Migration Assistant and migrate all your USER files, NO applications or system additions. This is exactly how I configured my own new system in August 2010* and exactly how I have set up new systems for about three dozen clients in the past couple of years. It is an efficient and robust methodology to configuring a new Apple system. I have had to do zero support on all those installations, they all worked flawlessly from the moment I handed them back to the clients. Godfrey * with one additional step: I used SuperDuper to clone my working startup drive first and ran the Migration Assistant using the clone. That completely eliminates all possibility of anything during the installation process losing data on the old system. On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 4:09 AM, David J Brooks wrote: > Happy New Year all. > > Looks like my iMac will be ordered in a day or so with projected > delivery on the week of the 7th. > > I have been told by a friend of mine, who has a graphics business and > uses Mac, as well as 1-2 lister, that i will be able to hook up my > iBook to the new iMac and transfer files and programs over. > My friend tells me to hook up at start up of the iMac but what I see > on the Apple site it does not suggest that. > I know i need a firewire adaptor from 400 to 800 but what are the > thoughts on migration. I don't want to screw this up. > > Hopefully programs like PSCS1 and Toast 6 will run on the new OS. > > Dave > > -- > Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > York Region, Ontario, Canada > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 31, 2010, at 8:40 AM, David J Brooks wrote: > Paul. > -should the iBook be plugged in prior to the iMac start up or does it matter. > -Is this a one time thing, or can i do it anytime. > -Any idea if PSCS will work on the newest Mac OS's. > You can do it anytime by going to "migration assistant" in the utilities folder on your new iMac. You don't have to have the computers connected at startup. You can connect them after launching the assistant. When starting the iMac for the first time, it will ask if you want to do the migration, so it's convenient to do it then, but not necessary. I'm not sure if the first PSCS works on Intel-based Macs. Google it and see what you can find. I think I switched to CS4 at the time I bought my iMAc. Paul > On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 8:26 AM, paul stenquist > wrote: >> The iMac will ask you on startup if you want to do a migration. You can use >> the firewire or a wireless network, but the firewire is highly recommended. >> Paul >> >> >> On Dec 31, 2010, at 7:09 AM, David J Brooks wrote: >> >>> Happy New Year all. >>> >>> Looks like my iMac will be ordered in a day or so with projected >>> delivery on the week of the 7th. >>> >>> I have been told by a friend of mine, who has a graphics business and >>> uses Mac, as well as 1-2 lister, that i will be able to hook up my >>> iBook to the new iMac and transfer files and programs over. >>> My friend tells me to hook up at start up of the iMac but what I see >>> on the Apple site it does not suggest that. >>> I know i need a firewire adaptor from 400 to 800 but what are the >>> thoughts on migration. I don't want to screw this up. >>> >>> Hopefully programs like PSCS1 and Toast 6 will run on the new OS. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> -- >>> Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. >>> www.caughtinmotion.com >>> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ >>> York Region, Ontario, Canada >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > > -- > Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > York Region, Ontario, Canada > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 31/12/10, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: >Ok, but i found this, and it looks straight forward. >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_%28software%29 Dave, I never installed anything on my MBP - just ran PS CS and it worked :) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > If you have an Apple Store near you, take in both and the Geniuses > will do it for you. > > Dan Well, sort of, but i HAVE ordered it from a Genius,. Dave > -- > Dan Matyola > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 7:09 AM, David J Brooks wrote: >> Happy New Year all. >> >> Looks like my iMac will be ordered in a day or so with projected >> delivery on the week of the 7th. >> >> I have been told by a friend of mine, who has a graphics business and >> uses Mac, as well as 1-2 lister, that i will be able to hook up my >> iBook to the new iMac and transfer files and programs over. >> My friend tells me to hook up at start up of the iMac but what I see >> on the Apple site it does not suggest that. >> I know i need a firewire adaptor from 400 to 800 but what are the >> thoughts on migration. I don't want to screw this up. >> >> Hopefully programs like PSCS1 and Toast 6 will run on the new OS. >> >> Dave > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Cotty wrote: > On 31/12/10, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>-should the iBook be plugged in prior to the iMac start up or does it matter. > > Leave it unplugged until asked to plug it up. I hear that a lot. > >>-Is this a one time thing, or can i do it anytime. > > Anytime. > >>-Any idea if PSCS will work on the newest Mac OS's. > > I use The original Photoshop CS on a 2007 MacBook Pro running 10.5.8 no > problem at all. Ok, but i found this, and it looks straight forward. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_%28software%29 Dave > > -- > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__ > || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche > -- http://www.cottysnaps.com > _ > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If you have an Apple Store near you, take in both and the Geniuses will do it for you. Dan -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 7:09 AM, David J Brooks wrote: > Happy New Year all. > > Looks like my iMac will be ordered in a day or so with projected > delivery on the week of the 7th. > > I have been told by a friend of mine, who has a graphics business and > uses Mac, as well as 1-2 lister, that i will be able to hook up my > iBook to the new iMac and transfer files and programs over. > My friend tells me to hook up at start up of the iMac but what I see > on the Apple site it does not suggest that. > I know i need a firewire adaptor from 400 to 800 but what are the > thoughts on migration. I don't want to screw this up. > > Hopefully programs like PSCS1 and Toast 6 will run on the new OS. > > Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 31/12/10, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: >-should the iBook be plugged in prior to the iMac start up or does it matter. Leave it unplugged until asked to plug it up. >-Is this a one time thing, or can i do it anytime. Anytime. >-Any idea if PSCS will work on the newest Mac OS's. I use The original Photoshop CS on a 2007 MacBook Pro running 10.5.8 no problem at all. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: > Dave, you can run Migration Assistant later on if you like. It's in > /Applications/Utilities . Great, just wanted to know if i had the option. > > PS CS1 should run on your newer Intel Mac OS X, but it will run under > emulation (called Rosetta) so it's a bit sluggish. OTOH, your new Mac will > fly compared to your older iBook so the net result should be faster PS. Never heard of rosetta, I;'ll have to google that. I don't use PSCS much any more, i sometimes switch over from LR to clone or what have you but its nice to have. It it is a problem running it, i may just install Elements. > > If you have Mac OS X 10.6 (aka Snow Leopard) installed, you may have to > install Rosetta as its an optional component during installation of the OS. > It will be found on the OS DVD. I'm assuming its coming with that OS. > > -bmw > > > On 10-12-31 8:40 AM, David J Brooks wrote: >> >> Paul. >> -should the iBook be plugged in prior to the iMac start up or does it >> matter. >> -Is this a one time thing, or can i do it anytime. >> -Any idea if PSCS will work on the newest Mac OS's. >> >> Dave >> >> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 8:26 AM, paul stenquist >> wrote: >>> >>> The iMac will ask you on startup if you want to do a migration. You can >>> use the firewire or a wireless network, but the firewire is highly >>> recommended. >>> Paul >>> >>> >>> On Dec 31, 2010, at 7:09 AM, David J Brooks wrote: >>> Happy New Year all. Looks like my iMac will be ordered in a day or so with projected delivery on the week of the 7th. I have been told by a friend of mine, who has a graphics business and uses Mac, as well as 1-2 lister, that i will be able to hook up my iBook to the new iMac and transfer files and programs over. My friend tells me to hook up at start up of the iMac but what I see on the Apple site it does not suggest that. I know i need a firewire adaptor from 400 to 800 but what are the thoughts on migration. I don't want to screw this up. Hopefully programs like PSCS1 and Toast 6 will run on the new OS. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Dave, you can run Migration Assistant later on if you like. It's in /Applications/Utilities . PS CS1 should run on your newer Intel Mac OS X, but it will run under emulation (called Rosetta) so it's a bit sluggish. OTOH, your new Mac will fly compared to your older iBook so the net result should be faster PS. If you have Mac OS X 10.6 (aka Snow Leopard) installed, you may have to install Rosetta as its an optional component during installation of the OS. It will be found on the OS DVD. -bmw On 10-12-31 8:40 AM, David J Brooks wrote: Paul. -should the iBook be plugged in prior to the iMac start up or does it matter. -Is this a one time thing, or can i do it anytime. -Any idea if PSCS will work on the newest Mac OS's. Dave On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 8:26 AM, paul stenquist wrote: The iMac will ask you on startup if you want to do a migration. You can use the firewire or a wireless network, but the firewire is highly recommended. Paul On Dec 31, 2010, at 7:09 AM, David J Brooks wrote: Happy New Year all. Looks like my iMac will be ordered in a day or so with projected delivery on the week of the 7th. I have been told by a friend of mine, who has a graphics business and uses Mac, as well as 1-2 lister, that i will be able to hook up my iBook to the new iMac and transfer files and programs over. My friend tells me to hook up at start up of the iMac but what I see on the Apple site it does not suggest that. I know i need a firewire adaptor from 400 to 800 but what are the thoughts on migration. I don't want to screw this up. Hopefully programs like PSCS1 and Toast 6 will run on the new OS. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul. -should the iBook be plugged in prior to the iMac start up or does it matter. -Is this a one time thing, or can i do it anytime. -Any idea if PSCS will work on the newest Mac OS's. Dave On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 8:26 AM, paul stenquist wrote: > The iMac will ask you on startup if you want to do a migration. You can use > the firewire or a wireless network, but the firewire is highly recommended. > Paul > > > On Dec 31, 2010, at 7:09 AM, David J Brooks wrote: > >> Happy New Year all. >> >> Looks like my iMac will be ordered in a day or so with projected >> delivery on the week of the 7th. >> >> I have been told by a friend of mine, who has a graphics business and >> uses Mac, as well as 1-2 lister, that i will be able to hook up my >> iBook to the new iMac and transfer files and programs over. >> My friend tells me to hook up at start up of the iMac but what I see >> on the Apple site it does not suggest that. >> I know i need a firewire adaptor from 400 to 800 but what are the >> thoughts on migration. I don't want to screw this up. >> >> Hopefully programs like PSCS1 and Toast 6 will run on the new OS. >> >> Dave >> >> -- >> Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. >> www.caughtinmotion.com >> http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ >> York Region, Ontario, Canada >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The iMac will ask you on startup if you want to do a migration. You can use the firewire or a wireless network, but the firewire is highly recommended. Paul On Dec 31, 2010, at 7:09 AM, David J Brooks wrote: > Happy New Year all. > > Looks like my iMac will be ordered in a day or so with projected > delivery on the week of the 7th. > > I have been told by a friend of mine, who has a graphics business and > uses Mac, as well as 1-2 lister, that i will be able to hook up my > iBook to the new iMac and transfer files and programs over. > My friend tells me to hook up at start up of the iMac but what I see > on the Apple site it does not suggest that. > I know i need a firewire adaptor from 400 to 800 but what are the > thoughts on migration. I don't want to screw this up. > > Hopefully programs like PSCS1 and Toast 6 will run on the new OS. > > Dave > > -- > Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > York Region, Ontario, Canada > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 7:09 AM, David J Brooks wrote: > Happy New Year all. > > Looks like my iMac will be ordered in a day or so with projected > delivery on the week of the 7th. > > I have been told by a friend of mine, who has a graphics business and > uses Mac, as well as 1-2 lister, that i will be able to hook up my > iBook to the new iMac and transfer files and programs over. > My friend tells me to hook up at start up of the iMac but what I see > on the Apple site it does not suggest that. > I know i need a firewire adaptor from 400 to 800 but what are the > thoughts on migration. I don't want to screw this up. > > Hopefully programs like PSCS1 and Toast 6 will run on the new OS. > > Dave Opps just found Stan's reply to a previous quiry about this, any other comments.?? Dave > > -- > Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > York Region, Ontario, Canada > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Happy New Year all. Looks like my iMac will be ordered in a day or so with projected delivery on the week of the 7th. I have been told by a friend of mine, who has a graphics business and uses Mac, as well as 1-2 lister, that i will be able to hook up my iBook to the new iMac and transfer files and programs over. My friend tells me to hook up at start up of the iMac but what I see on the Apple site it does not suggest that. I know i need a firewire adaptor from 400 to 800 but what are the thoughts on migration. I don't want to screw this up. Hopefully programs like PSCS1 and Toast 6 will run on the new OS. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
