Re: PAW #7 - Courier Bph
Hi Frank. Now that i have been able to view the cropped and uncropped versions,i think,to me anyway,the uncropped is the better.The cropped one seemed to be to muchinyour face were as the uncropped seems farther back and gives a more subtle motion to it. Dave BTW 'bif' ~ to bif~ as in Three Back to the Future movies were more than enough.Some films just shuld never be sequeled.vbg That's his name. Bph. Pronounced Biff. I never asked him if it's his given name, or if he changed it to Bph. I don't want to know... http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2237042 Comments are always encouraged and welcomed. thanks, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en- capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: PAW #7 - Courier Bph
I find tilting morally reprehensible. If I have 'issues about cropping, then I have to say that tilting is just plain wrong. That being said, your treatment improves the image immensely, Jostein! vbg Huge difference. The tilt just makes the picture sing. Kind of like what Boris said, in a way. Thanks for the help, Jostein!! I appreciate it. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PAW #7 - Courier Bph Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:55:05 +0200 - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now, Jostein-the-wise g turned it a little so that now he is rolling just a little tiny bit downhill. And now everything is cool. The guy's having fun, and so is the viewer too. Well... clock-wise, actually...:-) Oh, nevermind... Now it works! Thanks, Boris. Jostein _ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: PAW #7 - Courier Bph
Frank, As usual, I am going to be honest here... The elements are here. The car, the motion blur, the tones... But it does not click together in my head/eye/mind/etc... May be it is too tight or may be the pattern on the bottom left contradicts the overall direction of motion... I don't know. I cannot put my finger at something that does not work for me... Sorry, if I don't make much sense here... Boris ([EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: PAW #7 - Courier Bph
Hi, Boris, Thanks for your candor, and your thoughtful comments. If everyone liked the same stuff, it wouldn't be a very interesting world, would it? Besides, I know you didn't say you didn't like it, just that it didn't work for you. I know what you mean. Sometimes it's hard to articulate something emotional, or how something makes us feel. I would have preferred the crop to be not so tight, too. But, I didn't have much space below the bike to work with. On the neg, the bike is dead centre, which I didn't like, so I took out dead space on the right to make it more pleasing to my eye, but to me it's still not perfect. Here's the full frame: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2241649 If you want to take a shot at cropping it, go ahead. Same thing for everyone else. Sort of a mini-WOW. I'd be interested to see what other people come up with. I don't think I'm very good at it, myself - I do try to crop in the viewfinder, and I think I'm not bad at that, but if I'm forced to do it after the fact, I always have misgivings. Thanks again for your comments, Boris. I'm always very interested to hear what you say. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PAW #7 - Courier Bph Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 20:00:38 +0200 Frank, As usual, I am going to be honest here... The elements are here. The car, the motion blur, the tones... But it does not click together in my head/eye/mind/etc... May be it is too tight or may be the pattern on the bottom left contradicts the overall direction of motion... I don't know. I cannot put my finger at something that does not work for me... Sorry, if I don't make much sense here... Boris ([EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]) _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: PAW #7 - Courier Bph
Hi! ft Here's the full frame: ft http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2241649 ft If you want to take a shot at cropping it, go ahead. Same thing for ft everyone else. Sort of a mini-WOW. I'd be interested to see what other ft people come up with. I don't think I'm very good at it, myself - I do try ft to crop in the viewfinder, and I think I'm not bad at that, but if I'm ft forced to do it after the fact, I always have misgivings. I can relate to your reluctance to crop after the fact... Nonetheless, the uncropped image is much better than the tight one. I don't think that I have a crop of my own though comparing directly the Jostein's version and the original uncropped one it clicked in my head. You know, among other things I am reading a book about NLP g... Now, the original makes it look like the guy is driving uphill. The car is behind him. The uphill is of course difficult and the backpack on his back is pulling him backwards... So, everything is not easy. Now, Jostein-the-wise g turned it a little so that now he is rolling just a little tiny bit downhill. And now everything is cool. The guy's having fun, and so is the viewer too. Now it works! Boris ([EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: PAW #7 - Courier Bph
Frank, you should bill yourself as the Master of the Creative Blur, this evokes a feeling of movement and speed. I like it and I don't care what anyone else says. frank theriault wrote: That's his name. Bph. Pronounced Biff. I never asked him if it's his given name, or if he changed it to Bph. I don't want to know... http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2237042 Comments are always encouraged and welcomed. thanks, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: PAW #7 - Courier Bph
frank theriault wrote: Thanks, Shel! The full frame print has Bph dead centre. I ~actually CROPPED it~ to get him a bit over to the right. Sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do. vbg I'm buying a lens cleaning cloth tomorrow. That should sharpen up my shots a bit, don't you think? No, No, you'll ruin them! vbg thanks again, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PAW #7 - Courier Bph Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:52:32 -0800 I like the perspective and framing, and the tonality is more than OK. Yeah, very nice. BTW, were you aware that your lens filter was smeared. Fried chicken grease? Well, it gives a nice sense of motion, iac. shel frank theriault wrote: That's his name. Bph. Pronounced Biff. I never asked him if it's his given name, or if he changed it to Bph. I don't want to know... http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2237042 Comments are always encouraged and welcomed. _ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: PAW #7 - Courier Bph
Thanks, Steve, Like you, I thought of the aspect ratio. For that reason I did try cropping a bit off the top, but it didn't look right to me. The bike didn't have enough room in the frame. It dominated too much, and that's not what I wanted. If I had to shoot it over? Well, I've shot that shot lots of times already! This one is the one I've been most satisfied with. How would I change it? I'd like the bike to have a bit more room below it. I'd like a bit more car in the frame. Even better, I'd like the car closer to the cyclist. Or maybe more cars in the frame. I'd like the cyclist to be looking straight ahead, or at the camera, or at least be able to see his face. I'd like the cyclist's head to be the sharpest part of the image, not his courier bag as is the case now. I'll keep shooting these guys and girls as they go by, and we'll see what comes of it. I haven't taken many bike portraits lately - shots of bike owners standing next to their steeds. Must concentrate on that tomorrow. It's supposed to be sunny and mild (+10C), so it should be a good day for it. Thanks again, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PAW #7 - Courier Bph Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 23:20:18 + That's cool. It's very Frank :-) If it were mine, I'd crop off the top a bit, but that's probably my aspect-ratio issues getting the better of me. ;-) If you were shooting it again, how would you do it differently? S frank theriault wrote: That's his name. Bph. Pronounced Biff. I never asked him if it's his given name, or if he changed it to Bph. I don't want to know... http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2237042 Comments are always encouraged and welcomed. thanks, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines _ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: PAW #7 - Courier Bph
As you know, Peter, I was just joking with Shel. It's not chicken grease on the lens causing that darned blur, it's those damned slow shutter speeds. What I'm going to do in the future, is shoot that one with Neopan 1600, pushed one stop. That way if I open up the aperture a bit, I should be able to shoot at around 1/500, and ~freeze~ the action a bit! vbg I'd like to try fill flash with rear curtain synch (is that what it's called?) but I don't think my Leica will do that. g cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, No, you'll ruin them! _ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
