RE: Paparazzi or street shooter?
-Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Cesar Matamoros II [...] The one thing I found interesting was the fact that it was just street scenes. Not all photography has to be of some big event or some monumental scene or moment. [...] http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/03/19/magasinet/dokumentar/fotogr afi/film/ibsen/5351234/ [...] I have an interesting exhibition catalogue about Hungarian photography and the origins of photojornalism. It discusses what it terms 'little moments', and how photographing small scenes of everyday life was a strong theme of early Hungarian photography, which found its way to the rest of the world in the 1920s and 30s when there was an exodus of Hungarians under political pressure and led to the formation of many of the best know press agencies and the use of the Leica for its unobtrusiveness. The detective camera served a similar role, although it seems that the photographer in the link preferred it more the Victorian equivalent of 'upskirting' and papping! Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Paparazzi or street shooter?
The photographer was a young science student, and he photographed in the university area of the town. What we see is just a fragment of his pictures, but the comment tells us that he photographed mainly pretty young girls and male celebrities. We know very little about his background. But the motifs suggests that he was fascinated by uptown life. Oslo was a very small town back then, he could have found working people just a few hundred meters away. -- MaritimTim 2009/3/21 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com: Cesar, I know the principle of dressing up to leave the house, or go downtown, or go to church, or ride on a plane. I liked the pictures shown, but thought they were of 'uptown' streets. They were interesting, but all the women and men were so well dressed. I contrast this with my hobby interests in railroading. Pictures of railroad folks from the 1850's thru 1900's are very different. It's a whole different reality and a much grittier life. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Cesar Matamoros II cesar_ab...@mindspring.com wrote: Thank you for the link. I finally had some time to look at it. The one thing I found interesting was the fact that it was just street scenes. Not all photography has to be of some big event or some monumental scene or moment. These types of shots provides information to the present time as to what people looked like when they took to the streets. I know that 'culturally' while I was growing up we had clothes that we wore at home and what we wore when we went 'out' of the house. It came from when my parents grew up. You dressed 'up' to go to the 'city' to hide your 'lower' economic status. I recall having to 'dress up' while traveling on a plane. It shocked me the first time I saw my father board a plane without a tie and suit. These types of shots shows the world as it was. I often liked going to the Leica Gallery in NYC for that very reason. The shots may not have been the sharpest, but they were a snapshot of the world as it truly was... César Panama City, Florida Tim Øsleby wrote: Found three fascinating video clips about a young man Carl Størmer who photographed young girls and celebrities with a hidden camera at the streets of Oslo in 1893-96. For some obscure reason he ended his street photography after 3 years. The camera he used had a disk of six circular frames. He his it under his vest, and often approached his victim with a smile. The third clip shows a gost like image of author Henrik Ibsen. Carl Størmer must have been very fasinated by Ibsen, he is the subject in eight pictures. http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/03/19/magasinet/dokumentar/fotografi/film/ibsen/5351234/ There are three film clips here. Hopefully you will be able to find them at this norwegian page. The red rectangle in ULH shows the clips into full screen. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Paparazzi or street shooter?
Bob W wrote: I think I'd trade that. Cars pollute far more than horses do, and at least horse-shit helps the roses. Cars also pollute visually because of the H. In the late 1980s, one of the London hospitals was having problems with corrosion of the cast iron pillars supporting the building, sited under what had been the main entrance. Analysis of the corroding fluid showed that its main constituent was horse urine.. congestion, the pollute aurally, they bring with them the need for signs and other street furniture which is generally as ugly as sin, they keep people hemmed in on the pavement. They lead to ugly architecture, and despoil beautiful old architecture with their presence, their fumes and their dangerous speeds. Look at almost any old photo or movie which was shot at a speed fast enough to capture people, and the built environment and obvious socialising going on is so much more beautiful than what we have now, and the car is solely responsible for its destruction. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 06:19:11PM +, mike wilson wrote: Bob W wrote: I think I'd trade that. Cars pollute far more than horses do, and at least horse-shit helps the roses. Cars also pollute visually because of the H. In the late 1980s, one of the London hospitals was having problems with corrosion of the cast iron pillars supporting the building, sited under what had been the main entrance. Analysis of the corroding fluid showed that its main constituent was horse urine.. Quite. One of the benefits of the horseless carriage was the elimination (sic) of the problem of horse effluent on the streets. While the total amount of pollution from cars and trucks today may well exceed that from horses a century ago that's mostly due to the vast increase in travel. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Paparazzi or street shooter?
Bob W wrote: I think I'd trade that. Cars pollute far more than horses do, and at least horse-shit helps the roses. Cars also pollute visually because of the H. In the late 1980s, one of the London hospitals was having problems with corrosion of the cast iron pillars supporting the building, sited under what had been the main entrance. Analysis of the corroding fluid showed that its main constituent was horse urine.. I imagine the last horse to piss on the pillars probably did so around the time of WW1, so 70 years for it to take effect doesn't sound bad to me, considering they must have been pissing on them for 30-50 years before that. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Paparazzi or street shooter?
One of the benefits of the horseless carriage was the elimination (sic) of the problem of horse effluent on the streets. While the total amount of pollution from cars and trucks today may well exceed that from horses a century ago that's mostly due to the vast increase in travel. That's highly unlikely, even disregarding the fact that the cars enabled the increase in travel. Comparing the total amount like that doesn't really mean anything anyway. Probably the best way to do it would be by comparing the pollution cost of carrying the same loads for the same period of time - eg the capacity of a truck for the lifetime of the truck, against the number of horses required to carry the same capacity for as long. Bearing in mind, of course, that what goes into and comes out of horses is entirely organic, sustainable and recyclable, which is not the case with cars. And also taking into account the pollution costs of producing what goes in, getting it to the consumer (truck or horse), and dealing with what comes out. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: Bob W wrote: I think I'd trade that. Cars pollute far more than horses do, and at least horse-shit helps the roses. Cars also pollute visually because of the H. In the late 1980s, one of the London hospitals was having problems with corrosion of the cast iron pillars supporting the building, sited under what had been the main entrance. Analysis of the corroding fluid showed that its main constituent was horse urine.. I imagine the last horse to piss on the pillars probably did so around the time of WW1, so 70 years for it to take effect doesn't sound bad to me, considering they must have been pissing on them for 30-50 years before that. If not longer. There was a huge reservoir of the stuff in the ground, that was seeping out and rotting the fabric of the building. The effects of horse (or, indeed, any other organism in high quantity) effluvium are not totally beneficial. The real problem is too many humans and who is going to grasp that particular nettle? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You left out the increase in population, and the dispersion of same from the cities to the spreading suburbs, which increased everything in your hypothesis of the modern. On Mar 21, 2009, at 11:43 , Bob W wrote: One of the benefits of the horseless carriage was the elimination (sic) of the problem of horse effluent on the streets. While the total amount of pollution from cars and trucks today may well exceed that from horses a century ago that's mostly due to the vast increase in travel. That's highly unlikely, even disregarding the fact that the cars enabled the increase in travel. Comparing the total amount like that doesn't really mean anything anyway. Probably the best way to do it would be by comparing the pollution cost of carrying the same loads for the same period of time - eg the capacity of a truck for the lifetime of the truck, against the number of horses required to carry the same capacity for as long. Bearing in mind, of course, that what goes into and comes out of horses is entirely organic, sustainable and recyclable, which is not the case with cars. And also taking into account the pollution costs of producing what goes in, getting it to the consumer (truck or horse), and dealing with what comes out. Bob Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Paparazzi or street shooter?
If not longer. There was a huge reservoir of the stuff in the ground, that was seeping out and rotting the fabric of the building. The effects of horse (or, indeed, any other organism in high quantity) effluvium are not totally beneficial. The real problem is too many humans and who is going to grasp that particular nettle? Not necessarily too many people, but overconsumption by some of us. One the things that annoys me about the Dail Mail readers who bang on about population control in the third world is that it's not the people in the third world who are eating the planet, it's the Daily Mail readers. They should all be lined up against the wall and shot for being so intolerant. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Probably, yes. It's all far too complicated to sort out by email. Bob You left out the increase in population, and the dispersion of same from the cities to the spreading suburbs, which increased everything in your hypothesis of the modern. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Paparazzi or street shooter?
In a message dated 3/19/2009 5:57:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, maritim...@gmail.com writes: Found three fascinating video clips about a young man Carl Størmer who photographed young girls and celebrities with a hidden camera at the streets of Oslo in 1893-96. For some obscure reason he ended his street photography after 3 years. The camera he used had a disk of six circular frames. He his it under his vest, and often approached his victim with a smile. The third clip shows a gost like image of author Henrik Ibsen. Carl Størmer must have been very fasinated by Ibsen, he is the subject in eight pictures. http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/03/19/magasinet/dokumentar/fotografi/film/ibsen/5 351234/ There are three film clips here. Hopefully you will be able to find them at this norwegian page. The red rectangle in ULH shows the clips into full screen. -- MaritimTim === This was very interesting, thanks for sharing. What he used was so weird looking, sort of an old-fashioned PS that I wonder if all the people he approached KNEW it was a camera. Most look like they did, but still I wonder. Street photography, obviously, goes way back. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0002) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've never seen a similar camera. According the voice in the clip it was called a detectives camera, whatever that means. He hid it under his west, with the lens sticking out of a button hole. The third clip shows three pictures of a person who caught him red handed. I think I can see a strong sense of timing in many of these pictures. Later he moved on from capturing the fragrant smiles of young women, and Henrik Ibsen strolling down the streets, to capturing the secrets of Aorora solaris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_St%C3%B8rmer -- MaritimTim 2009/3/20 eactiv...@aol.com: In a message dated 3/19/2009 5:57:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, maritim...@gmail.com writes: http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/03/19/magasinet/dokumentar/fotografi/film/ibsen/5 351234/ -- MaritimTim === This was very interesting, thanks for sharing. What he used was so weird looking, sort of an old-fashioned PS that I wonder if all the people he approached KNEW it was a camera. Most look like they did, but still I wonder. Street photography, obviously, goes way back. Marnie aka Doe :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com wrote: Found three fascinating video clips about a young man Carl Størmer who photographed young girls and celebrities with a hidden camera at the streets of Oslo in 1893-96. For some obscure reason he ended his street photography after 3 years. The camera he used had a disk of six circular frames. He his it under his vest, and often approached his victim with a smile. The third clip shows a gost like image of author Henrik Ibsen. Carl Størmer must have been very fasinated by Ibsen, he is the subject in eight pictures. http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/03/19/magasinet/dokumentar/fotografi/film/ibsen/5351234/ There are three film clips here. Hopefully you will be able to find them at this norwegian page. The red rectangle in ULH shows the clips into full screen. Very cool stuff! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hey Bob, I bet you miss the horse shit and the smells too. :-) Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: This is one of the things that always strikes me about old photos - how much we've sacrificed to the internal combustion god. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Paparazzi or street shooter?
I think I'd trade that. Cars pollute far more than horses do, and at least horse-shit helps the roses. Cars also pollute visually because of the congestion, the pollute aurally, they bring with them the need for signs and other street furniture which is generally as ugly as sin, they keep people hemmed in on the pavement. They lead to ugly architecture, and despoil beautiful old architecture with their presence, their fumes and their dangerous speeds. Look at almost any old photo or movie which was shot at a speed fast enough to capture people, and the built environment and obvious socialising going on is so much more beautiful than what we have now, and the car is solely responsible for its destruction. Hey Bob, I bet you miss the horse shit and the smells too. :-) Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: This is one of the things that always strikes me about old photos - how much we've sacrificed to the internal combustion god. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think Walker Evans or someone of that ilk took a famous series of photographs on the New York subway with a detective camera. They've since been hommaged by one of the Magnum photographers, but I can't remember which one. Bob I've never seen a similar camera. According the voice in the clip it was called a detectives camera, whatever that means. He hid it under his west, with the lens sticking out of a button hole. The third clip shows three pictures of a person who caught him red handed. I think I can see a strong sense of timing in many of these pictures. Later he moved on from capturing the fragrant smiles of young women, and Henrik Ibsen strolling down the streets, to capturing the secrets of Aorora solaris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_St%C3%B8rmer -- MaritimTim 2009/3/20 eactiv...@aol.com: In a message dated 3/19/2009 5:57:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, maritim...@gmail.com writes: http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/03/19/magasinet/dokumentar/fotogr afi/film/ibsen/5 351234/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thank you for the link. I finally had some time to look at it. The one thing I found interesting was the fact that it was just street scenes. Not all photography has to be of some big event or some monumental scene or moment. These types of shots provides information to the present time as to what people looked like when they took to the streets. I know that 'culturally' while I was growing up we had clothes that we wore at home and what we wore when we went 'out' of the house. It came from when my parents grew up. You dressed 'up' to go to the 'city' to hide your 'lower' economic status. I recall having to 'dress up' while traveling on a plane. It shocked me the first time I saw my father board a plane without a tie and suit. These types of shots shows the world as it was. I often liked going to the Leica Gallery in NYC for that very reason. The shots may not have been the sharpest, but they were a snapshot of the world as it truly was... César Panama City, Florida Tim Øsleby wrote: Found three fascinating video clips about a young man Carl Størmer who photographed young girls and celebrities with a hidden camera at the streets of Oslo in 1893-96. For some obscure reason he ended his street photography after 3 years. The camera he used had a disk of six circular frames. He his it under his vest, and often approached his victim with a smile. The third clip shows a gost like image of author Henrik Ibsen. Carl Størmer must have been very fasinated by Ibsen, he is the subject in eight pictures. http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/03/19/magasinet/dokumentar/fotografi/film/ibsen/5351234/ There are three film clips here. Hopefully you will be able to find them at this norwegian page. The red rectangle in ULH shows the clips into full screen. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cesar, I know the principle of dressing up to leave the house, or go downtown, or go to church, or ride on a plane. I liked the pictures shown, but thought they were of 'uptown' streets. They were interesting, but all the women and men were so well dressed. I contrast this with my hobby interests in railroading. Pictures of railroad folks from the 1850's thru 1900's are very different. It's a whole different reality and a much grittier life. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Cesar Matamoros II cesar_ab...@mindspring.com wrote: Thank you for the link. I finally had some time to look at it. The one thing I found interesting was the fact that it was just street scenes. Not all photography has to be of some big event or some monumental scene or moment. These types of shots provides information to the present time as to what people looked like when they took to the streets. I know that 'culturally' while I was growing up we had clothes that we wore at home and what we wore when we went 'out' of the house. It came from when my parents grew up. You dressed 'up' to go to the 'city' to hide your 'lower' economic status. I recall having to 'dress up' while traveling on a plane. It shocked me the first time I saw my father board a plane without a tie and suit. These types of shots shows the world as it was. I often liked going to the Leica Gallery in NYC for that very reason. The shots may not have been the sharpest, but they were a snapshot of the world as it truly was... César Panama City, Florida Tim Øsleby wrote: Found three fascinating video clips about a young man Carl Størmer who photographed young girls and celebrities with a hidden camera at the streets of Oslo in 1893-96. For some obscure reason he ended his street photography after 3 years. The camera he used had a disk of six circular frames. He his it under his vest, and often approached his victim with a smile. The third clip shows a gost like image of author Henrik Ibsen. Carl Størmer must have been very fasinated by Ibsen, he is the subject in eight pictures. http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/03/19/magasinet/dokumentar/fotografi/film/ibsen/5351234/ There are three film clips here. Hopefully you will be able to find them at this norwegian page. The red rectangle in ULH shows the clips into full screen. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Paparazzi or street shooter?
Found three fascinating video clips about a young man Carl Størmer who photographed young girls and celebrities with a hidden camera at the streets of Oslo in 1893-96. For some obscure reason he ended his street photography after 3 years. The camera he used had a disk of six circular frames. He his it under his vest, and often approached his victim with a smile. The third clip shows a gost like image of author Henrik Ibsen. Carl Størmer must have been very fasinated by Ibsen, he is the subject in eight pictures. http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/03/19/magasinet/dokumentar/fotografi/film/ibsen/5351234/ There are three film clips here. Hopefully you will be able to find them at this norwegian page. The red rectangle in ULH shows the clips into full screen. -- MaritimTim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Paparazzi or street shooter?
Found three fascinating video clips about a young man Carl Størmer who photographed young girls and celebrities with a hidden camera at the streets of Oslo in 1893-96. For some obscure reason he ended his street photography after 3 years. The camera he used had a disk of six circular frames. He his it under his vest, and often approached his victim with a smile. The third clip shows a gost like image of author Henrik Ibsen. Carl Størmer must have been very fasinated by Ibsen, he is the subject in eight pictures. http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/03/19/magasinet/dokumentar/fotogr afi/film/ibsen/5351234/ There are three film clips here. Hopefully you will be able to find them at this norwegian page. The red rectangle in ULH shows the clips into full screen. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful! What a fantastic set of pictures and a great insight into people of the time. The streets look wonderful without cars and all the street furniture and related crap and detritus that accompanies them. This is one of the things that always strikes me about old photos - how much we've sacrificed to the internal combustion god. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
