Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked
Well, in principle you might be right. Here is a true story for you - happened to one of my co-workers. He was fired. Then in a rather cloak-n-dagger manner it was suggested to him that his boss was fired at the same time. Further, the true target of the "operation" wasn't him, so that they'd be happy to have him back. He refused. On 8/23/2012 7:47 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Boris, You can't get fired for having the same opinion as the boss. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 8/22/2012 11:51 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Joe, My professional experience with McMarketing folks suggests that there can be considerable weakness in logic, facts, and understanding of the consumer. Lots of this stuff is done on hunches... and worse still, the hunches of young and inexperienced people. Regards, Bob S. Bob, what I am seeing in my profession is that "up there" the personal egos have great deal of influence as to how things would turn out. So, not only oftentimes the decision would be based on hunches or lack of accurate knowledge, but "who's the boss" attitude as well... Such is our bipedal nature... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked
From: Bob Sullivan Boris, You can't get fired for having the same opinion as the boss. Regards, Bob S. Oh yes you can. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked
From: Brian Walters Quoting Steven Desjardins : Here's a CNET release about the X. The notable thing is the price at $280. That's a good price for this kind of camera. Did you forget this? http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-cameras/pentax-x-5/4505-6501_7-35419334.html $280 is a good price. Does this thing have a hot shoe? I can't see a hot shoe mentioned in the specs but the top view suggests it might be hiding there. It does not in the photos that are being shown. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked
Boris, You can't get fired for having the same opinion as the boss. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: > On 8/22/2012 11:51 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: >> >> Joe, My professional experience with McMarketing folks suggests that >> there can be considerable weakness in logic, facts, and understanding >> of the consumer. Lots of this stuff is done on hunches... and worse >> still, the hunches of young and inexperienced people. Regards, Bob >> S. > > > Bob, what I am seeing in my profession is that "up there" the personal egos > have great deal of influence as to how things would turn out. So, not only > oftentimes the decision would be based on hunches or lack of accurate > knowledge, but "who's the boss" attitude as well... > > Such is our bipedal nature... > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked
If this camera had a better sensor, when mine was stolen I wouldn't have replaced it with a DSLR: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonicfz50 This camera was pretty much the pinnacle of "point and shoot" user interface design. Two thumbwheels, two rings on the lens, one for zoom, one for focus. It pretty much had every advantage of an EVF point and shoot, but it could handle just like an SLR. If they were re-do the camera with a modern sensor, I would actually be tempted. On Aug 22, 2012, at 12:16 PM, John Francis wrote: > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 07:29:50AM -0500, Darren Addy wrote: >> Hate him, or Really hate him, RiceHigh is early with a leak: >> ricehigh.blogspot.com >> The pics are probably accurate, but I don't think the description probably >> is. >> This is your K-5 upgrade. > > not my K-5 upgrade - I like having a two-thumbwheel setup. > In fact there's a distict shortage of dedicated controls, &c. > Just those two things make it obvious this is aimed at a very > different marketplace from the die-hard prosumer DSLR crowd. > > (quite apart from all the other clues others have mentioned) > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked
Quoting Steven Desjardins : Here's a CNET release about the X. The notable thing is the price at $280. That's a good price for this kind of camera. Did you forget this? http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-cameras/pentax-x-5/4505-6501_7-35419334.html $280 is a good price. Does this thing have a hot shoe? I can't see a hot shoe mentioned in the specs but the top view suggests it might be hiding there. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: A much cheaper Q makes more sense. It was a really great camera to have during my trip to Philly. It was just easy to carry and fun to use. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Tom C wrote: Sorry I'm feeling prankish today so take what I say in that light. :) I guess it confuses me that they make the Q and K-01. Yes that confuses me also. I really don't know why they would engineer a 4-105mm for a Q-sized sensor. I don't know why they would engineer a Q. I'm sure it takes fine images for it's size but it was doomed from the start up against much larger sensor IC lens cameras at a lower price. If nothing else, this gives me greater hope that Q development is alive and well (not abandoned). If Pentax were to be developing a Q replacement instead of a FF it would be shocking. :) Tom C. -- ___ PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net End of PDML Digest, Vol 76, Issue 159 * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked
On 8/23/2012 5:47 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: A much cheaper Q makes more sense. It was a really great camera to have during my trip to Philly. It was just easy to carry and fun to use. Easy to carry and fun to use, you say. What about the quality of the end result, Steve? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked
On 8/22/2012 11:51 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Joe, My professional experience with McMarketing folks suggests that there can be considerable weakness in logic, facts, and understanding of the consumer. Lots of this stuff is done on hunches... and worse still, the hunches of young and inexperienced people. Regards, Bob S. Bob, what I am seeing in my profession is that "up there" the personal egos have great deal of influence as to how things would turn out. So, not only oftentimes the decision would be based on hunches or lack of accurate knowledge, but "who's the boss" attitude as well... Such is our bipedal nature... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked
Here's a CNET release about the X. The notable thing is the price at $280. That's a good price for this kind of camera. On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: > A much cheaper Q makes more sense. It was a really great camera to > have during my trip to Philly. It was just easy to carry and fun to > use. > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Tom C wrote: >> Sorry I'm feeling prankish today so take what I say in that light. :) >> >>> I guess it >>> confuses me that they make the Q and K-01. >> >> Yes that confuses me also. >> >>> I really don't know why they would engineer a 4-105mm for a Q-sized >>> sensor. >> >> I don't know why they would engineer a Q. I'm sure it takes fine >> images for it's size but it was doomed from the start up against much >> larger sensor IC lens cameras at a lower price. >> >>> If nothing else, this gives me greater hope that Q development is >>> alive and well (not abandoned). >> >> If Pentax were to be developing a Q replacement instead of a FF it >> would be shocking. >> >> :) >> >> Tom C. >> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ___ >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >>> >>> End of PDML Digest, Vol 76, Issue 159 >>> * >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > Steve Desjardins -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked
A much cheaper Q makes more sense. It was a really great camera to have during my trip to Philly. It was just easy to carry and fun to use. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Tom C wrote: > Sorry I'm feeling prankish today so take what I say in that light. :) > >> I guess it >> confuses me that they make the Q and K-01. > > Yes that confuses me also. > >> I really don't know why they would engineer a 4-105mm for a Q-sized >> sensor. > > I don't know why they would engineer a Q. I'm sure it takes fine > images for it's size but it was doomed from the start up against much > larger sensor IC lens cameras at a lower price. > >> If nothing else, this gives me greater hope that Q development is >> alive and well (not abandoned). > > If Pentax were to be developing a Q replacement instead of a FF it > would be shocking. > > :) > > Tom C. > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ___ >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> >> End of PDML Digest, Vol 76, Issue 159 >> * > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked
Joe, My professional experience with McMarketing folks suggests that there can be considerable weakness in logic, facts, and understanding of the consumer. Lots of this stuff is done on hunches... and worse still, the hunches of young and inexperienced people. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: > "We" are not the only market Pentax is selling to. If we were, the many > colored body parts chosen to order would be in Best Buy right now. But it > isn't. Star Wars was fun at first, but now it looks like it should be in an > OR, hot out of the sterilizer. > > "We" are, for the most part, looking what is best for "our" brand of > photography. There is no reason to denigrate the body or lens we don't want > to use, especially if we've never used it. > > Second guessing the 20 or 100 people at Pentax/Ricoh who have some amount of > experience at marketing is foolish, unless you are one of them. Those people > have the research, the charts with lines and arrows to consult. "We" just > have opinions. Which is our freedom. The freedom to voice "our" opinions > about "our" wants and needs to further the photographic trail we prefer to > take. > > Japanese translation needed for Pentax Japan. > > On Aug 21, 2012, at 20:41 , Boris Liberman wrote: > >> Boris wrote: >> Not to burst your bubble, Darren, but I am afraid you're quite wrong. IMVHO, >> this new camera is totally "me too" run of the mill effort from Pentax. They >> has few such cameras before and now they bring yet another one. I strongly >> doubt that being 4 mm FL at wide end it will have 4x sensor. More likely 7x >> sensor or 6x sensor so that it will turn out to be more earthly 24 mm or 28 >> mm on the wide end. >> >> Again, it seems to me like a big waste of time and effort on Pentax part. >> This market seems to be very much saturated by offerings from Panasonic, >> Canon and others so that to really penetrate it Pentax would have to sweat >> its marketing muscle, which as I was told here is not very strong. And >> obviously X-5 will have to be nothing short of outstanding to begin with. >> >> Diversity is good, but if you diversify between X-5, Q, WP series and K-01, >> you may have overstretched it... Ricoh has/had a series of very good compact >> cameras, why not to capitalize on that. Add to their well thought interface, >> ergonomics and excellent optics Pentax's WP know-how and you get yourself >> something that I think is easier to market than X-5... >> >> As of recently Pentax does not impress me. I hope that this autumn will >> bring better news than X-5 or Q... >> >> Boris >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 07:29:50AM -0500, Darren Addy wrote: > Hate him, or Really hate him, RiceHigh is early with a leak: > ricehigh.blogspot.com > The pics are probably accurate, but I don't think the description probably is. > This is your K-5 upgrade. not my K-5 upgrade - I like having a two-thumbwheel setup. In fact there's a distict shortage of dedicated controls, &c. Just those two things make it obvious this is aimed at a very different marketplace from the die-hard prosumer DSLR crowd. (quite apart from all the other clues others have mentioned) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked
I think the specifications I read on it said equivalent to 17mm but you know it's Pentax so they could have meant 17mm on APS-C... On 8/21/2012 11:41 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 8/21/2012 6:56 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Another thing that would be a handy firmware introduction (for all Pentax AF cameras) would be a button that could be programmed to focus any AF lens to hyperfocal distance and then read out the min/max distances on the LCD. My Ricoh GXR has it. It is called "snap focus". You can even choose from several distances of "snap focus". And it also has separate "infinity focus" option. If nothing else, this gives me greater hope that Q development is alive and well (not abandoned). The more megapixels you put on that size of a sensor the more sensitive it is going to be to CA. You either have to deal with that in post (for RAW) or maybe Pentax is working on a way to correct for it in-camera like they have for the noise issue of the smaller sensor. Not smoking anything. Just high on Pentax Life, friends! : ) Not to burst your bubble, Darren, but I am afraid you're quite wrong. IMVHO, this new camera is totally "me too" run of the mill effort from Pentax. They has few such cameras before and now they bring yet another one. I strongly doubt that being 4 mm FL at wide end it will have 4x sensor. More likely 7x sensor or 6x sensor so that it will turn out to be more earthly 24 mm or 28 mm on the wide end. Again, it seems to me like a big waste of time and effort on Pentax part. This market seems to be very much saturated by offerings from Panasonic, Canon and others so that to really penetrate it Pentax would have to sweat its marketing muscle, which as I was told here is not very strong. And obviously X-5 will have to be nothing short of outstanding to begin with. Diversity is good, but if you diversify between X-5, Q, WP series and K-01, you may have overstretched it... Ricoh has/had a series of very good compact cameras, why not to capitalize on that. Add to their well thought interface, ergonomics and excellent optics Pentax's WP know-how and you get yourself something that I think is easier to market than X-5... As of recently Pentax does not impress me. I hope that this autumn will bring better news than X-5 or Q... Boris -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked
on 2012-08-22 24:19 Joseph McAllister wrote Second guessing the 20 or 100 people at Pentax/Ricoh who have some amount of experience at marketing is foolish, unless you are one of them. as a general statement, i disagree; you over-exalt the very messy, often fatally flawed, process of corporate policy-making, similar to saying citizens shouldn't question the decisions of professional politicians or military commanders because they know so much more than us i think consumers should clamor and jostle and critique the mega-corpses just as citizens should constantly harass their governments; the more involved we are the better, even if we are ignorant, because we will get an education in the process, and we will dilute the manipulative tendencies of marketing machines speaking of what camera-makers "should" do (imnsho), Nikon's S800c (Android/Wifi/GPS built-in) seems like it might shake things up; i'm surprised Nikon did it first, but there is a lot to criticize about it too (stale version of the OS, too many pixels, no RAW, weak battery), so i think there is room for other brands … -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked
OK then. On Aug 21, 2012, at 23:37 , Boris Liberman wrote: > Joseph, you're certainly right. You will notice however that about 12 > words into my message I've put IMVHO - In My Very Humble Opinion, and > I meant just that. > > My second guessing of these marketing people however many are there is > based on the fact that the likes of Panasonic and Sony were not very > well known in this market 7 or 10 years ago. Now Sony seems to be the > third biggest manufacturer/seller and Panasonic has done wonders too. > Pentax on the other hand does not demonstrate similar performance. No, > I don't want to start a flame war. The sky is not falling and my, > yours and everyone else's gear will still shoot straight. Nonetheless, > to ignore these issues is pretty unwise in my eyes. After all, both > you and I want to see Pentax keep selling their gear for many years to > come but if they make marketing mistakes and those mistakes cost them > dearly, we'd be in trouble, wouldn't we? > > Pentax appears to be successful in the direction of fashionable gear > for the masses. This is very valid and very sensible move in the > corporative/business sense. I don't belong to these crowds. So I state > my (Very Humble) opinion. > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: >> "We" are not the only market Pentax is selling to. If we were, the many >> colored body parts chosen to order would be in Best Buy right now. But it >> isn't. Star Wars was fun at first, but now it looks like it should be in an >> OR, hot out of the sterilizer. >> >> "We" are, for the most part, looking what is best for "our" brand of >> photography. There is no reason to denigrate the body or lens we don't want >> to use, especially if we've never used it. >> >> Second guessing the 20 or 100 people at Pentax/Ricoh who have some amount of >> experience at marketing is foolish, unless you are one of them. Those people >> have the research, the charts with lines and arrows to consult. "We" just >> have opinions. Which is our freedom. The freedom to voice "our" opinions >> about "our" wants and needs to further the photographic trail we prefer to >> take. >> >> Japanese translation needed for Pentax Japan. >> >> On Aug 21, 2012, at 20:41 , Boris Liberman wrote: >> >>> Boris wrote: >>> Not to burst your bubble, Darren, but I am afraid you're quite wrong. >>> IMVHO, this new camera is totally "me too" run of the mill effort from >>> Pentax. They has few such cameras before and now they bring yet another >>> one. I strongly doubt that being 4 mm FL at wide end it will have 4x >>> sensor. More likely 7x sensor or 6x sensor so that it will turn out to be >>> more earthly 24 mm or 28 mm on the wide end. >>> >>> Again, it seems to me like a big waste of time and effort on Pentax part. >>> This market seems to be very much saturated by offerings from Panasonic, >>> Canon and others so that to really penetrate it Pentax would have to sweat >>> its marketing muscle, which as I was told here is not very strong. And >>> obviously X-5 will have to be nothing short of outstanding to begin with. >>> >>> Diversity is good, but if you diversify between X-5, Q, WP series and K-01, >>> you may have overstretched it... Ricoh has/had a series of very good >>> compact cameras, why not to capitalize on that. Add to their well thought >>> interface, ergonomics and excellent optics Pentax's WP know-how and you get >>> yourself something that I think is easier to market than X-5... >>> >>> As of recently Pentax does not impress me. I hope that this autumn will >>> bring better news than X-5 or Q... >>> >>> Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked
Joseph, you're certainly right. You will notice however that about 12 words into my message I've put IMVHO - In My Very Humble Opinion, and I meant just that. My second guessing of these marketing people however many are there is based on the fact that the likes of Panasonic and Sony were not very well known in this market 7 or 10 years ago. Now Sony seems to be the third biggest manufacturer/seller and Panasonic has done wonders too. Pentax on the other hand does not demonstrate similar performance. No, I don't want to start a flame war. The sky is not falling and my, yours and everyone else's gear will still shoot straight. Nonetheless, to ignore these issues is pretty unwise in my eyes. After all, both you and I want to see Pentax keep selling their gear for many years to come but if they make marketing mistakes and those mistakes cost them dearly, we'd be in trouble, wouldn't we? Pentax appears to be successful in the direction of fashionable gear for the masses. This is very valid and very sensible move in the corporative/business sense. I don't belong to these crowds. So I state my (Very Humble) opinion. On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: > "We" are not the only market Pentax is selling to. If we were, the many > colored body parts chosen to order would be in Best Buy right now. But it > isn't. Star Wars was fun at first, but now it looks like it should be in an > OR, hot out of the sterilizer. > > "We" are, for the most part, looking what is best for "our" brand of > photography. There is no reason to denigrate the body or lens we don't want > to use, especially if we've never used it. > > Second guessing the 20 or 100 people at Pentax/Ricoh who have some amount of > experience at marketing is foolish, unless you are one of them. Those people > have the research, the charts with lines and arrows to consult. "We" just > have opinions. Which is our freedom. The freedom to voice "our" opinions > about "our" wants and needs to further the photographic trail we prefer to > take. > > Japanese translation needed for Pentax Japan. > > On Aug 21, 2012, at 20:41 , Boris Liberman wrote: > >> Boris wrote: >> Not to burst your bubble, Darren, but I am afraid you're quite wrong. IMVHO, >> this new camera is totally "me too" run of the mill effort from Pentax. They >> has few such cameras before and now they bring yet another one. I strongly >> doubt that being 4 mm FL at wide end it will have 4x sensor. More likely 7x >> sensor or 6x sensor so that it will turn out to be more earthly 24 mm or 28 >> mm on the wide end. >> >> Again, it seems to me like a big waste of time and effort on Pentax part. >> This market seems to be very much saturated by offerings from Panasonic, >> Canon and others so that to really penetrate it Pentax would have to sweat >> its marketing muscle, which as I was told here is not very strong. And >> obviously X-5 will have to be nothing short of outstanding to begin with. >> >> Diversity is good, but if you diversify between X-5, Q, WP series and K-01, >> you may have overstretched it... Ricoh has/had a series of very good compact >> cameras, why not to capitalize on that. Add to their well thought interface, >> ergonomics and excellent optics Pentax's WP know-how and you get yourself >> something that I think is easier to market than X-5... >> >> As of recently Pentax does not impress me. I hope that this autumn will >> bring better news than X-5 or Q... >> >> Boris >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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"We" are not the only market Pentax is selling to. If we were, the many colored body parts chosen to order would be in Best Buy right now. But it isn't. Star Wars was fun at first, but now it looks like it should be in an OR, hot out of the sterilizer. "We" are, for the most part, looking what is best for "our" brand of photography. There is no reason to denigrate the body or lens we don't want to use, especially if we've never used it. Second guessing the 20 or 100 people at Pentax/Ricoh who have some amount of experience at marketing is foolish, unless you are one of them. Those people have the research, the charts with lines and arrows to consult. "We" just have opinions. Which is our freedom. The freedom to voice "our" opinions about "our" wants and needs to further the photographic trail we prefer to take. Japanese translation needed for Pentax Japan. On Aug 21, 2012, at 20:41 , Boris Liberman wrote: > Boris wrote: > Not to burst your bubble, Darren, but I am afraid you're quite wrong. IMVHO, > this new camera is totally "me too" run of the mill effort from Pentax. They > has few such cameras before and now they bring yet another one. I strongly > doubt that being 4 mm FL at wide end it will have 4x sensor. More likely 7x > sensor or 6x sensor so that it will turn out to be more earthly 24 mm or 28 > mm on the wide end. > > Again, it seems to me like a big waste of time and effort on Pentax part. > This market seems to be very much saturated by offerings from Panasonic, > Canon and others so that to really penetrate it Pentax would have to sweat > its marketing muscle, which as I was told here is not very strong. And > obviously X-5 will have to be nothing short of outstanding to begin with. > > Diversity is good, but if you diversify between X-5, Q, WP series and K-01, > you may have overstretched it... Ricoh has/had a series of very good compact > cameras, why not to capitalize on that. Add to their well thought interface, > ergonomics and excellent optics Pentax's WP know-how and you get yourself > something that I think is easier to market than X-5... > > As of recently Pentax does not impress me. I hope that this autumn will bring > better news than X-5 or Q... > > Boris > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/21/2012 6:56 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Another thing that would be a handy firmware introduction (for all Pentax AF cameras) would be a button that could be programmed to focus any AF lens to hyperfocal distance and then read out the min/max distances on the LCD. My Ricoh GXR has it. It is called "snap focus". You can even choose from several distances of "snap focus". And it also has separate "infinity focus" option. If nothing else, this gives me greater hope that Q development is alive and well (not abandoned). The more megapixels you put on that size of a sensor the more sensitive it is going to be to CA. You either have to deal with that in post (for RAW) or maybe Pentax is working on a way to correct for it in-camera like they have for the noise issue of the smaller sensor. Not smoking anything. Just high on Pentax Life, friends! : ) Not to burst your bubble, Darren, but I am afraid you're quite wrong. IMVHO, this new camera is totally "me too" run of the mill effort from Pentax. They has few such cameras before and now they bring yet another one. I strongly doubt that being 4 mm FL at wide end it will have 4x sensor. More likely 7x sensor or 6x sensor so that it will turn out to be more earthly 24 mm or 28 mm on the wide end. Again, it seems to me like a big waste of time and effort on Pentax part. This market seems to be very much saturated by offerings from Panasonic, Canon and others so that to really penetrate it Pentax would have to sweat its marketing muscle, which as I was told here is not very strong. And obviously X-5 will have to be nothing short of outstanding to begin with. Diversity is good, but if you diversify between X-5, Q, WP series and K-01, you may have overstretched it... Ricoh has/had a series of very good compact cameras, why not to capitalize on that. Add to their well thought interface, ergonomics and excellent optics Pentax's WP know-how and you get yourself something that I think is easier to market than X-5... As of recently Pentax does not impress me. I hope that this autumn will bring better news than X-5 or Q... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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No, if I forgot to post it here... I have been convinced now that it is not interchangable lens. I do think it will have the Q-sized sensor (since Sony does make a 16mp version) and I think the question now is: will it shoot RAW? If so, it is only the 2nd camera in its class to let you do that. I think I mis-typed in my earlier email. If you are going to develop a 4-105mm lens that can perform well on a Q-sized sensor in a bridge camera, then why not make the same optical configuration with a Q-mount? The only explanation I can think of is that the bridge camera has a much narrower "flange" to sensor distance. A 16MP sensor would presumably be much more sensitive to CA than the Q is, so you would think that the optical config. would work on the Q. It is hard to believe that an optical design that wide can perform well across even half the range, but I'd love to be proven wrong about that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Is there really anything on that body that looks like a lens release to you? You know that notiable button which on Pentax K sits in the lower right hand quadrant of the lens mount, say just about where the SR logo is. Anybody who thinks images of the Pentax X-5 represents an interchangeable design is probably smoking something I'd like to share, it would make the world a lot more pleasant. What you're looking at is a Pentax ZLR made to look like it's current top of the line SLR. A marketing move I'm surprised we haven't seen from Canon. On 8/21/2012 9:16 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I haven't done the math, but I'm guessing around 4x. That makes the "kit lens" a 16-400mm in 35mm FOV equivalency. Think iPhone quality sensor only LARGER instead of "so much smaller than APS-C". Even Pentax Full Frame buyers are going to own an X-5. It is like the Ultimate 4x Teleconverter for all their existing Good Glass. (Has to be Good Glass because smaller sensor pixel pitch makes them more susceptible to CA). They are going to sell a million DFA 100mm Macros and Limited to go on this lens, once people understand. This is absolutely BRILLIANT and suddenly makes all the R&D that Pentax did on the slow-selling Q look like sheer genius. They now "own" three sweet spots with the best camera (and glass): APS-C with the K-5, 1/2.8" with the X-5, and 1/2.3" with the Q. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Actually, I sort of missed the lens. 4.0 to 105mm ? 4mm. Clearly this is not a full frame. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Darren Addy wrote: > Hate him, or Really hate him, RiceHigh is early with a leak: > ricehigh.blogspot.com > The pics are probably accurate, but I don't think the description probably is. > This is your K-5 upgrade. > > > -- > "The key to seeing the world's soul, and in the process wakening one's > own, is to get over the confusion > by which we think that fact is real and imagination an illusion. It is > the other way around." > > -Thomas Moore, "Original Self" -- "The key to seeing the world's soul, and in the process wakening one's own, is to get over the confusion by which we think that fact is real and imagination an illusion. It is the other way around." -Thomas Moore, "Original Self" -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Darren Addy Hate him, or Really hate him, RiceHigh is early with a leak: ricehigh.blogspot.com The pics are probably accurate, but I don't think the description probably is. This is your K-5 upgrade. Probably not - "16 Megapixel, 26x Ultra-Zoom Point and Shoot" Comparable to the Sony Cyber-shot DSC-HX200V maybe? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It depends on three things 1.) Quality of the lens, 2.) Quality of the firmware, 3.) Processing speed, otherwise it's just another me to ZLR with cosmetics to make it look like a K-5. Let's face it, if it's just another P&S camera the market is saturated with them. Now I have to go shower, after visiting Ricewhine. On 8/21/2012 8:46 AM, Darren Addy wrote: No, I believe it is a Super Q that takes K-mount lenses in AF. The idea, from Pentax's viewpoint is to sell more lenses. Pentax is doubling down on the Q (as well they should). A near "Q" with an AF K-mount and this range of normal lens is going to be awesome. It is the perfect time to make people take another look (beyond their prejudices) at the original Q model (now selling for $399) and then this one. The small sensor gives you all kinds of advantages with its extremely high DOF, especially for macro. If this is a Q with an autofocus K-mount then Pentax is going to sell a million DFA 100mm Macros to go with it. On a Q sensor that gives you the whole bug in focus (not merely a slice) and at the other end it gives you a 560mm super telephoto (all in one lens). The thing they are going to have going against them is all the people who still don't "get" the Q. This guy certainly gets it. This camera is using a slightly larger Sony Exmor-R than the Q has...1/2.8" Think iPhone's sensor only much larger. This is going to be a macro & birder's dream camera (along with everything in between). It is also going to be another camera that no understands and Pentax takes a bashing for, at least initially. But this one is a Winner with a capital W. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Darren, interesting thoughts. Is there verification that it has inter-changeable lens? I have played around with Pen 4/3s and if I had money to throw away he Q might be useful I never looked at it seriously. If this new one is P&S I have an older Nikon with articulating screen that is my least used camera. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 6 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:46:24 -0500 From: Darren Addy To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 No, I believe it is a Super Q that takes K-mount lenses in AF. The idea, from Pentax's viewpoint is to sell more lenses. Pentax is doubling down on the Q (as well they should). A near "Q" with an AF K-mount and this range of normal lens is going to be awesome. It is the perfect time to make people take another look (beyond their prejudices) at the original Q model (now selling for $399) and then this one. The small sensor gives you all kinds of advantages with its extremely high DOF, especially for macro. If this is a Q with an autofocus K-mount then Pentax is going to sell a million DFA 100mm Macros to go with it. On a Q sensor that gives you the whole bug in focus (not merely a slice) and at the other end it gives you a 560mm super telephoto (all in one lens). The thing they are going to have going against them is all the people who still don't "get" the Q. This guy certainly gets it. This camera is using a slightly larger Sony Exmor-R than the Q has...1/2.8" Think iPhone's sensor only much larger. This is going to be a macro & birder's dream camera (along with everything in between). It is also going to be another camera that no understands and Pentax takes a bashing for, at least initially. But this one is a Winner with a capital W. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sorry I'm feeling prankish today so take what I say in that light. :) > I guess it > confuses me that they make the Q and K-01. Yes that confuses me also. > I really don't know why they would engineer a 4-105mm for a Q-sized > sensor. I don't know why they would engineer a Q. I'm sure it takes fine images for it's size but it was doomed from the start up against much larger sensor IC lens cameras at a lower price. > If nothing else, this gives me greater hope that Q development is > alive and well (not abandoned). If Pentax were to be developing a Q replacement instead of a FF it would be shocking. :) Tom C. > > > > -- > > ___ > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > End of PDML Digest, Vol 76, Issue 159 > * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yep, well I've been convinced that this is not an interchangable lens camera (and that it is the same sensor size as the Q), which means that they used some of their Q knowledge to make it. I guess it confuses me that they make the Q and K-01 interchangeable lens but no viewfinder, and then make this camera (which clearly has some kind of viewfinder in addition to live view), but make it non-interchangeable lens. Guess that also mean that they could leave out the expensive dust removal system. Still has Shake Reduction (SR). Presumably it has Focus Peaking (something I wish they would add to the Q firmware). I really don't know why they would engineer a 4-105mm for a Q-sized sensor and then not offer it in a Q-mount (assuming the flange to sensor distance of the Q is the same as the X-5, which may be a wrong assumption). Another thing that would be a handy firmware introduction (for all Pentax AF cameras) would be a button that could be programmed to focus any AF lens to hyperfocal distance and then read out the min/max distances on the LCD. If nothing else, this gives me greater hope that Q development is alive and well (not abandoned). The more megapixels you put on that size of a sensor the more sensitive it is going to be to CA. You either have to deal with that in post (for RAW) or maybe Pentax is working on a way to correct for it in-camera like they have for the noise issue of the smaller sensor. Not smoking anything. Just high on Pentax Life, friends! : ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Darren Addy No, I believe it is a Super Q that takes K-mount lenses in AF. The idea, from Pentax's viewpoint is to sell more lenses. It says right in the blog that it's a super-zoom point & shoot. Previous Pentax 'X' cameras: X70 http://www.dpreview.com/products/pentax/compacts/pentax_x70 X90 http://www.dpreview.com/products/pentax/compacts/pentax_x90 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It is obvious that it is non-changeable lens: words "16 megapixels" are written on the lens. (and as couple of people mentioned, - no lens release button is visible) Igor On Aug 21, 2012, at 5:46 AM, Darren Addy wrote: > No, I believe it is a Super Q that takes K-mount lenses in AF. The > idea, from Pentax's viewpoint is to sell more lenses. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's a bridge camera. "Superzoom" non-detachable lens. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Darren Addy wrote: > > Actually, I sort of missed the lens. > 4.0 to 105mm ? > 4mm. Clearly this is not a full frame. > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Darren Addy > wrote: > > Hate him, or Really hate him, RiceHigh is early with a leak: > > ricehigh.blogspot.com > > The pics are probably accurate, but I don't think the description > > probably is. > > This is your K-5 upgrade. > > > > > > -- > > "The key to seeing the world's soul, and in the process wakening one's > > own, is to get over the confusion > > by which we think that fact is real and imagination an illusion. It is > > the other way around." > > > > -Thomas Moore, "Original Self" > > > > -- > "The key to seeing the world's soul, and in the process wakening one's > own, is to get over the confusion > by which we think that fact is real and imagination an illusion. It is > the other way around." > > -Thomas Moore, "Original Self" > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 21, 2012, at 5:46 AM, Darren Addy wrote: > No, I believe it is a Super Q that takes K-mount lenses in AF. The > idea, from Pentax's viewpoint is to sell more lenses. I don't see any sort of a lens release button on the pictures. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 21, 2012, at 8:16, Darren Addy wrote: > I haven't done the math, but I'm guessing around 4x. That makes the > "kit lens" a 16-400mm in 35mm FOV equivalency. > I see no mechanism/switch/whatever for removing the lens. The promo refers to the camera itself (not the supplied lens) as a "26x Ultrazoom Point and Shoot". I think you're stuck with that lens on there. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 21, 2012, at 7:29, Darren Addy wrote: > Hate him, or Really hate him, RiceHigh is early with a leak: > ricehigh.blogspot.com > The pics are probably accurate, but I don't think the description probably is. > This is your K-5 upgrade. > P&S Superzoom. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I haven't done the math, but I'm guessing around 4x. That makes the "kit lens" a 16-400mm in 35mm FOV equivalency. Think iPhone quality sensor only LARGER instead of "so much smaller than APS-C". Even Pentax Full Frame buyers are going to own an X-5. It is like the Ultimate 4x Teleconverter for all their existing Good Glass. (Has to be Good Glass because smaller sensor pixel pitch makes them more susceptible to CA). They are going to sell a million DFA 100mm Macros and Limited to go on this lens, once people understand. This is absolutely BRILLIANT and suddenly makes all the R&D that Pentax did on the slow-selling Q look like sheer genius. They now "own" three sweet spots with the best camera (and glass): APS-C with the K-5, 1/2.8" with the X-5, and 1/2.3" with the Q. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hate him, or Really hate him, RiceHigh is early with a leak: ricehigh.blogspot.com The pics are probably accurate, but I don't think the description probably is. This is your K-5 upgrade. -- "The key to seeing the world's soul, and in the process wakening one's own, is to get over the confusion by which we think that fact is real and imagination an illusion. It is the other way around." -Thomas Moore, "Original Self" -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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"This guy certainly gets it" link: http://www.seriouscompacts.com/f90/pentax-q-real-world-user-review-11773/index4.html#post91442 You'll find Pinholecam on seriouscompacts.com and pentaxforums.com On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Darren Addy wrote: > No, I believe it is a Super Q that takes K-mount lenses in AF. The > idea, from Pentax's viewpoint is to sell more lenses. > > Pentax is doubling down on the Q (as well they should). A near "Q" > with an AF K-mount and this range of normal lens is going to be > awesome. > > It is the perfect time to make people take another look (beyond their > prejudices) at the original Q model (now selling for $399) and then > this one. > The small sensor gives you all kinds of advantages with its extremely > high DOF, especially for macro. If this is a Q with an autofocus > K-mount then Pentax is going to sell a million DFA 100mm Macros to go > with it. > On a Q sensor that gives you the whole bug in focus (not merely a > slice) and at the other end it gives you a 560mm super telephoto (all > in one lens). > > The thing they are going to have going against them is all the people > who still don't "get" the Q. This guy certainly gets it. > > This camera is using a slightly larger Sony Exmor-R than the Q has...1/2.8" > Think iPhone's sensor only much larger. > > This is going to be a macro & birder's dream camera (along with > everything in between). It is also going to be another camera that no > understands and Pentax takes a bashing for, at least initially. But > this one is a Winner with a capital W. -- "The key to seeing the world's soul, and in the process wakening one's own, is to get over the confusion by which we think that fact is real and imagination an illusion. It is the other way around." -Thomas Moore, "Original Self" -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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No, I believe it is a Super Q that takes K-mount lenses in AF. The idea, from Pentax's viewpoint is to sell more lenses. Pentax is doubling down on the Q (as well they should). A near "Q" with an AF K-mount and this range of normal lens is going to be awesome. It is the perfect time to make people take another look (beyond their prejudices) at the original Q model (now selling for $399) and then this one. The small sensor gives you all kinds of advantages with its extremely high DOF, especially for macro. If this is a Q with an autofocus K-mount then Pentax is going to sell a million DFA 100mm Macros to go with it. On a Q sensor that gives you the whole bug in focus (not merely a slice) and at the other end it gives you a 560mm super telephoto (all in one lens). The thing they are going to have going against them is all the people who still don't "get" the Q. This guy certainly gets it. This camera is using a slightly larger Sony Exmor-R than the Q has...1/2.8" Think iPhone's sensor only much larger. This is going to be a macro & birder's dream camera (along with everything in between). It is also going to be another camera that no understands and Pentax takes a bashing for, at least initially. But this one is a Winner with a capital W. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
