Re: Pentax istD
What is the best RAW converter for use with photoshop? Due to a computer problem, I had to reinstall PS, and now I have to reinstall a RAW converter. Dan On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:03 AM, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using RAW should make this issue non-existent, using a decent RAW converter. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax istD
Adobe Camera RAW delivers the best results with Pentax PEF files. -Adam On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the best RAW converter for use with photoshop? Due to a computer problem, I had to reinstall PS, and now I have to reinstall a RAW converter. Dan On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:03 AM, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using RAW should make this issue non-existent, using a decent RAW converter. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax istD
Thanks. On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adobe Camera RAW delivers the best results with Pentax PEF files. -Adam On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the best RAW converter for use with photoshop? Due to a computer problem, I had to reinstall PS, and now I have to reinstall a RAW converter. Dan On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:03 AM, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using RAW should make this issue non-existent, using a decent RAW converter. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax istD
When I tried to get Camera RAW from Adobe, they send me to download CS3. Is there an easier way to get the RAW plug-in alone? On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adobe Camera RAW delivers the best results with Pentax PEF files. -Adam On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the best RAW converter for use with photoshop? Due to a computer problem, I had to reinstall PS, and now I have to reinstall a RAW converter. Dan On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:03 AM, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using RAW should make this issue non-existent, using a decent RAW converter. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax istD
Dan - You can find the various iterations of Camera RAW and also DNG converter at one of these pages... For Windows http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106platform=Windows For MAC http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106platform=Macintosh The later versions won't work with older versions of PhotoShop so you'll have to check the documentation on the various versions until you find one to fit with your PS version. -p Daniel J. Matyola wrote: When I tried to get Camera RAW from Adobe, they send me to download CS3. Is there an easier way to get the RAW plug-in alone? On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adobe Camera RAW delivers the best results with Pentax PEF files. -Adam On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the best RAW converter for use with photoshop? Due to a computer problem, I had to reinstall PS, and now I have to reinstall a RAW converter. Dan On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:03 AM, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using RAW should make this issue non-existent, using a decent RAW converter. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax istD
Daniel J. Matyola wrote: When I tried to get Camera RAW from Adobe, they send me to download CS3. Is there an easier way to get the RAW plug-in alone? Windows? http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=39platform=Windows or Mac? http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=39platform=Macintosh -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax istD
For CS you need v2.4. For CS2 you need v3.7. For CS3 you use the latest. Godfrey - www.gdgphoto.com On Aug 8, 2008, at 2:27 PM, Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan - You can find the various iterations of Camera RAW and also DNG converter at one of these pages... For Windows http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106platform=Windows For MAC http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106platform=Macintosh The later versions won't work with older versions of PhotoShop so you'll have to check the documentation on the various versions until you find one to fit with your PS version. -p Daniel J. Matyola wrote: When I tried to get Camera RAW from Adobe, they send me to download CS3. Is there an easier way to get the RAW plug-in alone? On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adobe Camera RAW delivers the best results with Pentax PEF files. -Adam On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the best RAW converter for use with photoshop? Due to a computer problem, I had to reinstall PS, and now I have to reinstall a RAW converter. Dan On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:03 AM, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using RAW should make this issue non-existent, using a decent RAW converter. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax istD
- Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola Subject: Re: Pentax istD What is the best RAW converter for use with photoshop? Whatever the most recent Camera Raw release is for your version of Photoshop. When you instal Photoshop, have it check for updates immediately. It will download and install the most recent converter for you. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax istD
Well, if it's PSCS (PS 8) or newer, ACR is your best bet. That's the converter that comes packaged with PhotoShop. Paul On Aug 8, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: What is the best RAW converter for use with photoshop? Due to a computer problem, I had to reinstall PS, and now I have to reinstall a RAW converter. Dan On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:03 AM, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using RAW should make this issue non-existent, using a decent RAW converter. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Re: Pentax istD
I am guessing: Adobe Lightroom or Camera Raw (Built in in CS3). Regards Jens -- Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. On Aug 9, 2008 02:58 William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola Subject: Re: Pentax istD What is the best RAW converter for use with photoshop? Whatever the most recent Camera Raw release is for your version of Photoshop. When you instal Photoshop, have it check for updates immediately. It will download and install the most recent converter for you. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax istD
On Aug 3, 2008, at 12:50, William Robb wrote: As much as I like the camera, I'd bet that a lightly used K10 wouldn't cost much more than replacing an istD sensor, and the K10 is a much more capable camera. ... with the single exception of high-ISO performance (which I miss a bit from my DS, now that I have the K10D) -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax istD
Hello Joe Depends on how bad it is and how much the repir would cost. I am BTW selling mine, since I have the K10D as backup for the K20D, now. I had my *ist D fixed for incorrect focusing. I believe I paid 300 USD for this. I could buy a used *ist D fo 400 USD. But at that time I had no upgrading plans. If there's not too many dead pixels, use it as is. Otherwise - you may cosider giveng me an offer :-) Regards Jens Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. On Aug 2, 2008 02:16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone think it is worth getting an istD fixed because of dead pixels. ? Has anyone done this or should I just look for another one ? Thanks Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax istD
- Original Message - From: Jens Subject: Re: Pentax istD Hello Joe Depends on how bad it is and how much the repir would cost. I am BTW selling mine, since I have the K10D as backup for the K20D, now. I had my *ist D fixed for incorrect focusing. I believe I paid 300 USD for this. I could buy a used *ist D fo 400 USD. But at that time I had no upgrading plans. If there's not too many dead pixels, use it as is. Otherwise - you may cosider giveng me an offer :-) This really is the question isn't it? How many dead pixels are too many? My understanding is that dead pixels propogate as the sensor ages, and the only way to repair the problem is to drop a new sensor into the camera. Whether an istD is worth that sort of repair, I can't say. As much as I like the camera, I'd bet that a lightly used K10 wouldn't cost much more than replacing an istD sensor, and the K10 is a much more capable camera. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax istD
Using RAW should make this issue non-existent, using a decent RAW converter. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Pentax istD
Does anyone think it is worth getting an istD fixed because of dead pixels. ? Has anyone done this or should I just look for another one ? Thanks Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax istD
Joe, I like the istDs. I think it handles TTL flash in a fashion superior to the istD. You might check before you replace the D. And if it's not to many pixels, do you need to?!? Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone think it is worth getting an istD fixed because of dead pixels. ? Has anyone done this or should I just look for another one ? Thanks Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Pentax *istD firmware v1.12
http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/info/20050225e.html It allows use of 4Gb cards. And, also Version 1.12 contain the additional function which was released at Version 1.10 ~ 1.11 What does that mean? What function was released at those versions? What does it mean to release a function? j -- Juan Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog
Re: Pentax *istD firmware v1.12
Sorry, I just saw this was posted to the list already. Still, I'd like to know what the released function business is about. Anyone has an idea? j On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:02:27 -0800, Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/info/20050225e.html It allows use of 4Gb cards. And, also Version 1.12 contain the additional function which was released at Version 1.10 ~ 1.11 What does that mean? What function was released at those versions? What does it mean to release a function? j -- Juan Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog -- Juan Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog
Re: Pentax *istD firmware v1.12
Hello Juan, Likely it means it contains the first two patches also. So one could upgrade from V1.0 to v1.12 in one step, rather than first having to load 1.10 and then 1.11. -- Best regards, Bruce Friday, February 25, 2005, 11:02:27 AM, you wrote: JB http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/info/20050225e.html JB It allows use of 4Gb cards. JB And, also Version 1.12 contain the additional function which was JB released at Version 1.10 ~ 1.11 JB What does that mean? What function was released at those versions? JB What does it mean to release a function? JB j
Re: Pentax *istD firmware v1.12
The additional function released at version 1.10 was the ability to set the aperture manually, thereby allowing use of K and M lenses. Version 1.11 allowed control of the camera with a remote computer. Pentax is just saying that this release includes those functions along with the use of 4gig cards. http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/info/20050225e.html It allows use of 4Gb cards. And, also Version 1.12 contain the additional function which was released at Version 1.10 ~ 1.11 What does that mean? What function was released at those versions? What does it mean to release a function? j -- Juan Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog
Re: Pentax *istD firmware v1.12
Oh, I see. It makes sense now... Their English is a bit tortuous, though. The singular function confused me, I thought there had been some function cancelled in the older upgrades or something like that. Me understand obviousness now. Thanks Bruce. No need for me to upgrade, I guess. :-) j On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:09:34 -0800, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Juan, Likely it means it contains the first two patches also. So one could upgrade from V1.0 to v1.12 in one step, rather than first having to load 1.10 and then 1.11. -- Best regards, Bruce Friday, February 25, 2005, 11:02:27 AM, you wrote: JB http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/info/20050225e.html JB It allows use of 4Gb cards. JB And, also Version 1.12 contain the additional function which was JB released at Version 1.10 ~ 1.11 JB What does that mean? What function was released at those versions? JB What does it mean to release a function? JB j -- Juan Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog
Re: Pentax *istD firmware v1.12
it simply means that you can update from v1.00 directly to v1.12 and get all the benefits released in v1.10 and v1.11 as well. Godfrey --- Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/info/20050225e.html It allows use of 4Gb cards. And, also Version 1.12 contain the additional function which was released at Version 1.10 ~ 1.11 What does that mean? What function was released at those versions? What does it mean to release a function? j -- Juan Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Pentax *istD firmware v1.12
it allows 4G cards. several of us here already use 4G cards. Herb... - Original Message - From: Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 2:02 PM Subject: Pentax *istD firmware v1.12 http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/info/20050225e.html It allows use of 4Gb cards.
Re: IS in Pentax *istD (was Re: canon vs pentax)
Herb Chong asked: have you used any Canon IS equipment, particularly their binoculars? you still haven't said anything that says a pendulum isn't an accelerometer. it measures acceleration and does something. the gyros inside Olympus equipment for IS also measure acceleration and does something. all Canon has done is have it do the detection mechanically. however, since having IS enabled uses a lot of power from the camera body, that something is power actuated, even if it is mechanically controlled. My SO has a Canon IS lens for her D60. I haven't really messed with it much but I did read the Canon literature that explains how their IS works. A pendulum by itself doesn't do anything. By definition it's a suspended mass. It can be used to observe acceleration but additional equipment must be added to measure that acceleration. In my world, that doesn't make it an accelerometer. Again, the context of my reply was to the statement: You'd need to measure the movement of the camera, which could be done using a sensor of some sort in the body, or could conceivably be done by measuring the movement of the image on the CCD. This could mean that IS could be added to the *istD by a firmware upgrade. It is still my opinion that placing little accelerometers in the camera body to measure the amount and direction of movement and then operating other devices to counter that movement would be a kludge. The movement would have to be calculated and predictions made on future movement to make the adjustments in real time. IMO making adjustments for movement that already occured would result in the sensor alignment always being slightly behind. Use of gyroscopes to provide a steadying lens element is a far more elegant solution to the problem. I'm not familiar with the Olympus IS methods so I can't comment on how they work. Tom Reese
RE: IS in Pentax *istD (was Re: canon vs pentax)
Canon IS systems are described in detail at: http://www.canon.com/technology/t_seihin/tech_dvcam.html Under Variable Angle Prism one can read: When the camera shake occurs, it is detected by the vibration sensor, and the optimum correction value is calculated by the microcomputer. With the electromagnetic actuator, the prism vertical angle is freely controlled to correct the vibration of the optical axis. Under Image Stabilizer System one can read: With two vibrating gyroscopes to detect vertical and horizontal movements, the camera shake is detected; the corrective optical system is moved in parallel with the film plane in accordance with the amount of the camera shake, and the light is refracted in the appropriate direction to cancel the image vibration. The response time from the detection of camera shake to the drive of the corrective optical system is only 2/1,000 seconds. The correcting effect is about 2 steps* in terms of shutter speed. With a lens of 300mm focal length, the camera shake can be prevented in even 1/60 second. Antti-Pekka --- Antti-Pekka Virjonen Computec Oy, Turku Finland Gsm: +358-500-789 753 www.computec.fi * www.estera.fi
Re: IS in Pentax *istD (was Re: canon vs pentax)
what makes you think that the Canon system or any other IS system in a modern camera isn't backed by the same set of electronics? the Olympus gyroscopes are much too tiny to control the moving element themselves and feed into an electromechanical system just like the Canon and Minolta ones do. why do you think the Canon system is remarked about as a big power drain when it is enabled? the pendulum in the Canon system is way too small to move any correcting element by itself. what do the electronic mode switches on the Canon IS lenses for different modes of IS otherwise do then? Herb - Original Message - From: Tom Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 8:42 AM Subject: Re: IS in Pentax *istD (was Re: canon vs pentax) It is still my opinion that placing little accelerometers in the camera body to measure the amount and direction of movement and then operating other devices to counter that movement would be a kludge. The movement would have to be calculated and predictions made on future movement to make the adjustments in real time. IMO making adjustments for movement that already occured would result in the sensor alignment always being slightly behind. Use of gyroscopes to provide a steadying lens element is a far more elegant solution to the problem.
Re: IS in Pentax *istD (was Re: canon vs pentax)
Herb Chong asked: since when isn't a pendulum an accelerometer? pendulum: A body suspended from a fixed support so that it swings freely back and forth under the influence of gravity, commonly used to regulate various devices, especially clocks. Also called simple pendulum accelerometer: An instrument used to measure acceleration a pendulum could be used to measure the acceleration due to gravity if an accelerometer were attached to it. The pendulum optical system in the Canon IS lenses works more from inertia than anything else. When the camera lens assembly moves the optical pendulum tends to remain stationary through inertia (and apparently some type of gyroscopic device(s)). The optical pendulum is designed to compensate for slight shifting of the lens axis. The above is based on the IS explanation in the Canon lens guide. An accelerometer based system would measure the camera movement and calculate the required compensation then servo motors (or some other type of device) would attempt to make that compensation. IMO that would be a mess. The Canon system is simple and elegant at the same time. I do wonder what sacrifices are being made in the design of the optics to make it work. I don't know if there is a difference in sharpness between IS lenses with IS turned off and non IS lenses. It would be interesting to find out. I have no idea how the Nikon system works. Tom Reese
Re: IS in Pentax *istD (was Re: canon vs pentax)
have you used any Canon IS equipment, particularly their binoculars? you still haven't said anything that says a pendulum isn't an accelerometer. it measures acceleration and does something. the gyros inside Olympus equipment for IS also measure acceleration and does something. all Canon has done is have it do the detection mechanically. however, since having IS enabled uses a lot of power from the camera body, that something is power actuated, even if it is mechanically controlled. Herb - Original Message - From: Tom Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 7:21 AM Subject: Re: IS in Pentax *istD (was Re: canon vs pentax) The above is based on the IS explanation in the Canon lens guide. An accelerometer based system would measure the camera movement and calculate the required compensation then servo motors (or some other type of device) would attempt to make that compensation. IMO that would be a mess. The Canon system is simple and elegant at the same time. I do wonder what sacrifices are being made in the design of the optics to make it work. I don't know if there is a difference in sharpness between IS lenses with IS turned off and non IS lenses. It would be interesting to find out.
Re: IS in Pentax *istD (was Re: canon vs pentax)
Herb Chong wrote this in response to my speculation on how image stabilization could be done: that's how it's done in Nikon and Canon and how IS binoculars from various vendors work too. software implementations require sensors and image processors far faster than can be reasonably powered right now. I think you misunderstood the context of what I wrote. Canon's IS technology uses an optical pendulum type system and is quite ingenious. I was speculating on the practicality of stabilizing an image by use of accelerometers to measure camera movement so servo motors could compensate for the movement. I believe that method would be difficult to implement and probably wouldn't work very well. This all started with the why not stabilize the sensor in the body? Tom Reese
Re: IS in Pentax *istD (was Re: canon vs pentax)
since when isn't a pendulum an accelerometer? Herb - Original Message - From: Tom Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 7:42 AM Subject: Re: IS in Pentax *istD (was Re: canon vs pentax) I think you misunderstood the context of what I wrote. Canon's IS technology uses an optical pendulum type system and is quite ingenious. I was speculating on the practicality of stabilizing an image by use of accelerometers to measure camera movement so servo motors could compensate for the movement. I believe that method would be difficult to implement and probably wouldn't work very well. This all started with the why not stabilize the sensor in the body?
RE: IS in Pentax *istD (was Re: canon vs pentax)
Alan Chan wrote: To achieve IS/VR/AS, the camera or the lens must be able to detect their own movement, and obviousely *istD doesn't have any. For this reason, the firmware idea doesn't work. Alan, I don't know why the camera or lens would have to detect movement. That would require some type of accelerometers and would be a finicky cludge IMO. Software implementation of image stabilization might be achievable by: 1: taking a high speed sensor reading defining only high contrast areas (in effect a super high ISO reading of only light dark edge lines) 2 taking another longer duration sensor reading to determine some secondary lower contrast areas 3. taking the lowest sensor reading for color. 4. Combine the three readings in camera and you would have an image stabilized picture. Another method would be to capture a series of quick high ISO readings, calculate movement through interpolation of the images captured, take a lower speed reading for color and texture combine them all through interpolation and save the result to memory. Textures might present a problem with that method. Software image stabilization would be a compromise but it's conceivable (in my mind anyway). Tom Reese
Re: IS in Pentax *istD (was Re: canon vs Pentax)
On 04.6.15 11:16 AM, Tom Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan, I don't know why the camera or lens would have to detect movement. That would require some type of accelerometers and would be a finicky cludge IMO. I do not pretend to know much about how they achieve IS effect, but I remember reading an article somewhere which said that the Canon style in-lens IS has two small gyros to detect X/Y axis movement, and the required lens shift amount is computed and actuated on a microsecond order (or something like that). On video cameras, Canon uses Vari-angle prism which is essentially a clear gel-like material sandwiched between two plain glasses which are normally parallel each other. When the movement is detected, the angle of these two glasses changes, or some such fancy thing. Don't ask me why this is not adopted in 35mm lens etc. I think Canon site must have some explanation pages somewhere. Cheers, Ken
Re: IS in Pentax *istD (was Re: canon vs Pentax)
On 15/6/04, KEN T, discombobulated, offered: I do not pretend to know much about how they achieve IS effect, but I remember reading an article somewhere which said that the Canon style in-lens IS has two small gyros to detect X/Y axis movement, and the required lens shift amount is computed and actuated on a microsecond order (or something like that). This is correct. In fact you can switch off the horizontal damping for panning shots. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: IS in Pentax *istD (was Re: canon vs pentax)
that's how it's done in Nikon and Canon and how IS binoculars from various vendors work too. software implementations require sensors and image processors far faster than can be reasonably powered right now. Herb... - Original Message - From: Tom Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 11:16 AM Subject: RE: IS in Pentax *istD (was Re: canon vs pentax) Alan, I don't know why the camera or lens would have to detect movement. That would require some type of accelerometers and would be a finicky cludge IMO. Software implementation of image stabilization might be achievable by:
IS in Pentax *istD (was Re: canon vs pentax)
Is there any reason IS couldn't be implemented in software? You could produce a 5MP image from a 6MP sensor by using the extra pixels to shift the image. You'd need to measure the movement of the camera, which could be done using a sensor of some sort in the body, or could conceivably be done by measuring the movement of the image on the CCD. This could mean that IS could be added to the *istD by a firmware upgrade. This is all speculation, and I could be talking rubbish. Any comments? Nick
Re: IS in Pentax *istD (was Re: canon vs pentax)
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, Nick Clark wrote: Is there any reason IS couldn't be implemented in software? You could produce a 5MP image from a 6MP sensor by using the extra pixels to shift the image. You'd need to measure the movement of the camera, which could be done using a sensor of some sort in the body, or could conceivably be done by measuring the movement of the image on the CCD. This could mean that IS could be added to the *istD by a firmware upgrade. This is all speculation, and I could be talking rubbish. Any comments? You would need a match faster CCD which operated in video mode, and software which lined everything back up frame by frame. alex
Re: IS in Pentax *istD (was Re: canon vs pentax)
it has been done that way. you lose the outer edges of the sensor area, and of course, your image processor has to be fast enough to keep up. DSLR ones aren't, so far. Herb - Original Message - From: Nick Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 6:43 PM Subject: IS in Pentax *istD (was Re: canon vs pentax) Is there any reason IS couldn't be implemented in software? You could produce a 5MP image from a 6MP sensor by using the extra pixels to shift the image. You'd need to measure the movement of the camera, which could be done using a sensor of some sort in the body, or could conceivably be done by measuring the movement of the image on the CCD. This could mean that IS could be added to the *istD by a firmware upgrade.
RE: IS in Pentax *istD (was Re: canon vs pentax)
To achieve IS/VR/AS, the camera or the lens must be able to detect their own movement, and obviousely *istD doesn't have any. For this reason, the firmware idea doesn't work. Regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan Is there any reason IS couldn't be implemented in software? You could produce a 5MP image from a 6MP sensor by using the extra pixels to shift the image. You'd need to measure the movement of the camera, which could be done using a sensor of some sort in the body, or could conceivably be done by measuring the movement of the image on the CCD. This could mean that IS could be added to the *istD by a firmware upgrade. This is all speculation, and I could be talking rubbish. Any comments? _ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: IS in Pentax *istD (was Re: canon vs pentax)
This is not a new technology, similar systems were used by camcorder manufacturers for a while now. A large CCD uses just a portion of its surface area at a time to capture video image. This system does not produce high quality still image and that is why it is not used in still cameras. It is satisfactory for consumer camcorders, professional models like Canon XL-1 use genuine optical image stabilizers like the EOS system. Best regards, Albert
RE: PENTAX *ISTD RAW DATA PHOTOSHOP PLUGIN MODULE
And it has the same 'quality' as the regular PENTAX RAW converter, meaning not that good at all ... On Fri, 21 May 2004 22:18:31 +0100, Rob Brigham wrote: YES! (assuming you mean the 'Pentax' RAW plugin and not the 'Adobe' Photoshop CS RAW convertor) -Original Message- From: David Sprinkle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 May 2004 22:05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PENTAX *ISTD RAW DATA PHOTOSHOP PLUGIN MODULE Hi, Does this module work with PS Elements 2 or Paintshop Pro 8. Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery
PENTAX *ISTD RAW DATA PHOTOSHOP PLUGIN MODULE
Hi, Does this module work with PS Elements 2 or Paintshop Pro 8. Dave
RE: PENTAX *ISTD RAW DATA PHOTOSHOP PLUGIN MODULE
YES! (assuming you mean the 'Pentax' RAW plugin and not the 'Adobe' Photoshop CS RAW convertor) -Original Message- From: David Sprinkle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 May 2004 22:05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PENTAX *ISTD RAW DATA PHOTOSHOP PLUGIN MODULE Hi, Does this module work with PS Elements 2 or Paintshop Pro 8. Dave
Re: Pentax *istD sales figures
Hi Ken, on 13 May 04 you wrote in pentax.list: ... There are a lot of numbers there but just list a rather conservative set of ones (in consolidated book), sales up 24.3%, profit up 48.4% and the net profit up 351.2%. Sounds realy good! Are there any sources where I can read those numbers? Unfortunately Pentax.jp offers information in Japaneese, only (I don't understand Japaneese) and there are no financial information on any other page. I would really appreciate getting some financial information (e.g. annual reports) on Pentax in English. Cheers, Heiko
Re: Pentax *istD sales figures
On Thu, 13 May 2004, graywolf wrote: Ya, laying off a lot of people will do that. Temporarily. Did they? K
Re: Pentax *istD sales figures
I imagine so, I know Pentax USA did. Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2004, graywolf wrote: Ya, laying off a lot of people will do that. Temporarily. Did they? K -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Pentax *istD sales figures
according to recently released analysts reports in Japan, Pentax has sold about 20,000 *istD cameras worldwide, far less than the 50,000 forecast by the company. reasons cited by analysts for the low sales include lack of competative features and brand recognition. despite this, Pentax has revised upwards its expected profits for the end of its fiscal year on May 31 based on increased revenue from its ability to hold profit margins steady on its digital cameras by introducing new models and increased demand for its DVD pickup lens sales. analysts see that Pentax will continue to be weak in DSLR and film SLR sales because of lack of competative features and branding and are not optimistic about the company returning to the days when it was a major player in the camera market. Canon and Casio are the only major Japanese camera manufactures to record increasing earnings from digital camera sales. although volume is increasing quickly, profits are not increasing as quickly and are slowing down as margins shrink. in a couple of years, the market will be saturated and profit margins will plummet as all but the highest end digital cameras will be commmodities. Herb...
Re: Pentax *istD sales figures
Holy cow! That's sweet. Norm KT Takeshita wrote: snip and the net profit up 351.2%. snip
Re: Pentax *istD sales figures
Ya, laying off a lot of people will do that. Temporarily. -- Norm Baugher wrote: Holy cow! That's sweet. Norm KT Takeshita wrote: snip and the net profit up 351.2%. snip -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: Pentax *istD sales figures
Of course, but even then, there is usually a charge taken to cover the expense and there wasn't any mention of layoffs in the report, only increased sales and profit. Norm graywolf wrote: Ya, laying off a lot of people will do that. Temporarily. Norm Baugher wrote: Holy cow! That's sweet. Norm KT Takeshita wrote: snip and the net profit up 351.2%. snip
Re: Pentax *istD NEWS FLASH!!!!
On 31/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I was actually thinking this myself - they could still be planning to release something low end, AND high end with the *istD smack in the middle, although, the price drop has me wondering about the low end option to some degree... I mean, maybe they intend to release something higher eg 8MP,...? Not a chance. The day that happens my cats will be sitting in the garden sipping iced tea with all the field mice. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Pentax *istD NEWS FLASH!!!!
I'd assume that the step up will sell for not a lot more than the current *ist-D. Maybe 200 to 400 (US Dollars Euros Pounds you name it since from the pricing I'm aware of they are used interchangeably in spite of conversion differences). Here's what I see as a workable plan introduce the Super *ist-D 8-9meg sensor (this is the big-ist challenge in my opinion) possibly a larger buffer for faster capture rate, maybe titanium clad, USM, IS, or add an actual aperture simulator for full use of older lenses any or all of these are possible. *ist-Dn really just an *ist-D with firmware upgrade maybe with a slight body redesign to address the few ergonomic problems but sold at the new lower price, injection molding is relatively easy to change. *ist-D lite same as the in a slightly different body shell current model losing some of the bells and whistles what would I remove nothing I can think of but look at the differences between the D10 and digital rebel for an idea, personally I think that the most off putting item to many are the custom functions, beginners and some older users may even be afraid of them. Of course I could be smoking banana skins. (You don't have to say it.) At 04:17 AM 2/1/04, you wrote: On 31/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: At 06:40 PM 1/31/04, you wrote: On 31/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Nor does it preclude a Model above the *ist-D either. Sorry Pete - that is cloud cuckoo land. The likely hood is low but not impossible. Pentax has a record of taking a single basic design and differentiating the hell out of it. They seem to have perfected the method with the MZ/ZX series of cameras. What was the last count of variations, 10 not counting the MZ-S which is related to the rest of the MZ/ZX cameras in much the same way as the MX was related to the rest of the M series, mostly in name only. If the guts of the *ist-D and *ist film cameras are properly designed we may just see a new body based on both. I won't speculate on what might be in a higher level body but everyone has a wish list. I take your point but the reason I don't think they will offer 'a step up' from the *ist D / D100 / 10D level is because relatively few people would buy it. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk I drink to make other people interesting. -- George Jean Nathan
Re: Pentax *istD price has been reduced by 300usd
Is this good news -- i.e., that the *ist D has sold well and Pentax is clearing out inventory to make way for a new, higher-spec model? Or bad news -- that it hasn't sold well enough, in part because it hasn't been priced competitively? Simultaneous price drops on other gear make one wonder. Joe
Re: Pentax *istD price has been reduced by 300usd
Actually, it probably only means they are clearing out the models without the firmware factory installed upgrade. Wonder if the one with the upgrade is going to be called an *istDn (doesn't that make for unreadable alphabet soup)? The other price drops? Well, it is a very competitive market. -- Joseph Tainter wrote: Is this good news -- i.e., that the *ist D has sold well and Pentax is clearing out inventory to make way for a new, higher-spec model? Or bad news -- that it hasn't sold well enough, in part because it hasn't been priced competitively? Simultaneous price drops on other gear make one wonder. Joe -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
Re: Pentax *istD price has been reduced by 300usd
In some cases when the price drops, the maker is clearing the way for a replacement. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:30 PM Subject: Re: Pentax *istD price has been reduced by 300usd Is this good news -- i.e., that the *ist D has sold well and Pentax is clearing out inventory to make way for a new, higher-spec model? Or bad news -- that it hasn't sold well enough, in part because it hasn't been priced competitively? Simultaneous price drops on other gear make one wonder. Joe
Re: Pentax *istD price has been reduced by 300usd
If you want to figure out what Pentax is doing on the marketing front, just take industry standard practice and reverse it. Norm Kenneth Waller wrote: In some cases when the price drops, the maker is clearing the way for a replacement
Pentax *istD NEWS FLASH!!!!
OMG HOT NEWS! I can't BELIEVE that I am the one to reveal this!! Little 'ole me in my sleepy 'ole one horse town! lol... I just got an email from CR Kennedy - they are the equivalent of Pentax USA in Australia. It is a little cryptic, but check out the second sentence!! I have included my original email to them, so that you can see what I was asking of them too... I am totally amazed by this, that they were so candid to tell me this information! - do you all think I should really take their word for it or are they just blowing wind up my you know what? The third line makes me think not, and that they are completely genuine in their response... Dear Ms Mayer, Thank you very much for your interest in the *ist D. There will be no *ist D replacement announced at PMA. The investment necessary for the production of a Digital SLR is so huge that the model life must be long. We do not offer consumer rebates in Australia , as our prices already reflect the current factory price reduction. We will be delighted to quote you directly on your *ist D requirements. Please contact salesperson's name snipped C.R.Kennedy Company Pty Ltd 663 Chapel St South Yarra Vic 3141 Australia Tel+61 3 9823 1555 Fax +61 3 9827 7213 http://www.crkennedy.com.au Fairy's email to them: Hi there! I was just wondering if you might be able to shed some light on how this might effect prices in Australia? http://www.pentaxusa.com/news/news_display.cfm?pressid=174 Also, will we here in Australia, have access to the us$200 cash back for purchase with the 16-45mm lens? I am looking to purchase this also! Any information would be greatly appreciated, as I am wanting to buy a at least one of these bodies for my kit (*had to make it sound worth their while to respond to me! lol*). I am wondering if this announcement could be preceding an announcement of a newer DSLR though, and think maybe I should hold off to see what is just around the corner. Or maybe released at PMA? Many thanks, Tanya. I know I was a bit cheeky in asking these things, but hey, they could only say no comment or leak some very cool info, so I thought what the heck? So, I am going to ring them on Monday morning and ask them just what their current prices that are reflecting the current factory price reduction are. I still think I will save myself a few hundred bucks by purchasing from the likes of B and H, particularly with the DA 16-45mm lens, but the Australian warranty would definitely be a bonus ALTHOUGH, on second thought, lol, I have just found THIS on their website on the FAQ's page... Q. I bought my camera outside Australia and repair is needed within 12 months of purchase. A. You must provide a properly completed International Warranty Certificate and purchase receipt, which can only be provided by the retailer or distributor in the country of purchase. C.R Kennedy Company cannot provide free service without sighting these documents. I am assuming that purchasing from someone reputable like B and H or Adorama, I would automatically qualify for an International Warranty Certificate - can anyone clarify this? Ok, so I am going back to hide in my little hole now and watch as you all start taking bets over this new information! And, I am even more floored by the fact that I received this email at 7.10am on a Sunday morning!! It is genuine though, comes from the correct ISP and all names and contact details are totally correct, so I think that Pentax Australia may have one very motivated sales person! Either that, or they've been swamped with queries since the Pentax USA announcement... OR he just needs to get a life! lol, either way, I don't mind, what a great way to start a Sunday morning... tan.
Re: Pentax *istD NEWS FLASH!!!!
Hi, Translations interspersed Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: Dear Ms Mayer, Thank you very much for your interest in the *ist D. We're glad someone is. Maybe if we are polite enough you'll buy one. There will be no *ist D replacement announced at PMA. And if there was, we wouldn't tell you, as then what would we do with all this stock we've got? The investment necessary for the production of a Digital SLR is so huge that the model life must be long. At least six months. For the first model. We do not offer consumer rebates in Australia , as our prices already reflect the current factory price reduction. Reflect but pass on as little as possible. We will be delighted to quote you directly on your *ist D requirements. You've already said you're going to buy one. All we're talking about here is how much we can squeeze out of you. Please contact salesperson's name snipped C.R.Kennedy Company Pty Ltd 663 Chapel St South Yarra Vic 3141 Australia Tel+61 3 9823 1555 Fax +61 3 9827 7213 http://www.crkennedy.com.au Sorry to be a bubble burster. mike
Re: Pentax *istD price has been reduced by 300usd
I think not. I doubt that anyone could get away with a firmware upgrade you can do in your home and change your model designation charging a higher price. Unless your name is Microsoft that is, and even then you can't fool everyone. At 12:59 PM 1/31/04, you wrote: Actually, it probably only means they are clearing out the models without the firmware factory installed upgrade. Wonder if the one with the upgrade is going to be called an *istDn (doesn't that make for unreadable alphabet soup)? The other price drops? Well, it is a very competitive market. -- Joseph Tainter wrote: Is this good news -- i.e., that the *ist D has sold well and Pentax is clearing out inventory to make way for a new, higher-spec model? Or bad news -- that it hasn't sold well enough, in part because it hasn't been priced competitively? Simultaneous price drops on other gear make one wonder. Joe -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway. I drink to make other people interesting. -- George Jean Nathan
Re: Pentax *istD NEWS FLASH!!!!
On 31/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Dear Ms Mayer, Thank you very much for your interest in the *ist D. There will be no *ist D replacement announced at PMA. Interesting but this does not preclude a Baby D. I think we might just see an announcement of some kind Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Pentax *istD NEWS FLASH!!!!
Does an announcement that announces that they have nothing to announce qualify as a true announcement? g Norm Cotty wrote: I think we might just see an announcement of some kind
Re: Pentax *istD NEWS FLASH!!!!
Nor does it preclude a Model above the *ist-D either. At 05:46 PM 1/31/04, you wrote: On 31/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Dear Ms Mayer, Thank you very much for your interest in the *ist D. There will be no *ist D replacement announced at PMA. Interesting but this does not preclude a Baby D. I think we might just see an announcement of some kind Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk I drink to make other people interesting. -- George Jean Nathan
Re: Pentax *istD NEWS FLASH!!!!
I'm with you Norm. I will be very pleasantly suprised if they have something to announce, let alone show. Even when they are moving fast, they aren't very fast. The *istD is too new for them to be ready with something else. I would dearly love to see something, though. -- Best regards, Bruce Saturday, January 31, 2004, 1:54:37 PM, you wrote: NB Does an announcement that announces that they have nothing to announce NB qualify as a true announcement? NB g NB Norm NB Cotty wrote: I think we might just see an announcement of some kind
Re: Pentax *istD NEWS FLASH!!!!
Cotty noted: Interesting but this does not preclude a Baby D. or a papa D for that matter... I was actually thinking this myself - they could still be planning to release something low end, AND high end with the *istD smack in the middle, although, the price drop has me wondering about the low end option to some degree... I mean, maybe they intend to release something higher eg 8MP, and the new price will automatically drop the *istD down to the baby D level? I was already considering to myself that he has worded it so as to seem more beneficial for me to purchase the *istD now, rather than wait, which in turn makes me think that they are really trying hard to clear out the stock to make way for something new, and probably bigger and better... The idea of them releasing a second edition with the firmware upgrade doesn't gel with me - it is just too easy to download it and install it yourself, I just don't see how they could charge extra for a body containing information that is readily available for free and is most easy to install... As for Mike's bubble bursting comments - no bubbles to be burst here Mike! I am not so naive as to believe everything that they offer me, and can also, as I mentioned recognise that he was very cryptic in his tone - I was more excited just to be able to offer the list an exclusive that I could barely believe I would be privy too! tan. Dear Ms Mayer, Thank you very much for your interest in the *ist D. There will be no *ist D replacement announced at PMA. Interesting but this does not preclude a Baby D. I think we might just see an announcement of some kind Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Pentax *istD price has been reduced by 300usd
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:22:08 -0500, you wrote: In some cases when the price drops, the maker is clearing the way for a replacement. Kenneth Waller Most likely Pentax got wind of the Nikon D70, coming in at sub$1000 price, and the new DA Nikon zoom 18-70/3.5-4.5. The D70 is a true competitor to the *istD, unlike the Digital Rebel which smells of toy but is not totally without merit. I'm tempted by D70's 1/8000 shutter and 1/500 flash sync (the sensor acts as second curtain to give the fast sync) and RGB metering, in a nicely featured body very like the D100 and *istD. I'd say there's tough times ahead for any Pentax DSLR still sitting in the old D100 price range, or anywhere much above a thousand bucks street price. I think Pentax missed a beat by not installing an AF system the equal of the Nikon F5 in the *istD, which would have given it value heads above any price-point competition. -- John Mustarde www.photolin.com
Re: Pentax *istD NEWS FLASH!!!!
Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Dear Ms Mayer, Thank you very much for your interest in the *ist D. There will be no *ist D replacement announced at PMA. Interesting but this does not preclude a Baby D. I think we might just see an announcement of some kind Not at PMA. Perhaps at Photokina in September. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Pentax *istD price has been reduced by 300usd
John Mustarde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:22:08 -0500, you wrote: In some cases when the price drops, the maker is clearing the way for a replacement. Kenneth Waller Most likely Pentax got wind of the Nikon D70, coming in at sub$1000 price, and the new DA Nikon zoom 18-70/3.5-4.5. The D70 is a true competitor to the *istD, unlike the Digital Rebel which smells of toy but is not totally without merit. I'm with you John. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Pentax *istD NEWS FLASH!!!!
On 31 Jan 2004 at 17:54, Norm Baugher wrote: Serious question though, from a digital idiot - couldn't they just stick a, say 8MP sensor in the sunkist, and re-release it? Sure with relevant circuit up-grades and assuming that the sensor size remains the same or is smaller which effectively defeats most of the advantage. Really the pixel density shouldn't be increased much beyond where it is at the moment, it's size that counts in this case. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Pentax *istD Swedish prices
About 1300 EURO (ex VAT) without the lens :-) DagT På onsdag, 6. august 2003, kl. 21:17, skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: How much in coin of the realm? Peter
Re: Pentax *istD Swedish prices
How much in coin of the realm? Peter
Re: Pentax *istD Swedish prices
From: Peter Hillerström [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:44 AM Subject: Pentax *istD Swedish prices Hello I've found the Pentax *istD listed at a swedish mailorder company's website (www.dustin.se). It was not in store. Price without lens: Pentax *istD SEK 13995 (SEK 14995 with 18-35mm lens) Nikon D100 SEK 16295 Canon EOS 10D SEK 14995 The above prices are excluding moms (VAT). Including it, prices, in Swedish crowns, will (unfortunately) be: ist D: 17,493.75 (18,743.75 w the 18-35) Nikon D100: 20,368.75 Canon EOS 10D: 18,743.75 Lasse
Pentax *istD Swedish prices
Hello I've found the Pentax *istD listed at a swedish mailorder company's website (www.dustin.se). It was not in store. Price without lens: Pentax *istD SEK 13995 (SEK 14995 with 18-35mm lens) Nikon D100 SEK 16295 Canon EOS 10D SEK 14995 /Peter
