Re: What is this thing? (Pentax at Photokina)

[Mark Roberts]

"Scott Loveless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> > http://www.dpreview.com/articles/photokina2006/Pentax/IMG_0409.jpg
>> >
>>
>Wouldn't a K-mount DV camera be fun?  ;)

Could be. But someone would have to make an APS-C sensor that didn't
need any mechanical shutter. Does any such animal exist?


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Re: What is this thing? (Pentax at Photokina)

[Adam Maas]

Scott Loveless wrote:
> On 9/26/06, Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Juan Buhler wrote:
>>> There are some pictures of the Pentax booth at Photokina in dpreview.
>>>
>>> This one is strange:
>>>
>>> http://www.dpreview.com/articles/photokina2006/Pentax/IMG_0409.jpg
>>>
>>> K mount, no mirror box... Looks like a k-mount p&s prototype. Anybody
>>> have any ideas?
>>>
>>> j
>>>
>>>
>> Pentax makes me laugh.  That thing has been around for  years and years.
>>   Perhaps they can come up with something new to show off their design
>> abilities
>>
> Wouldn't a K-mount DV camera be fun?  ;)
> 

To laugh at ;-)

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Re: What is this thing? (Pentax at Photokina)

[David Savage]

At 09:17 AM 27/09/2006, Scott Loveless wrote:
>On 9/26/06, Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Pentax makes me laugh.  That thing has been around for  years and years.
> >   Perhaps they can come up with something new to show off their design
> > abilities
> >
>Wouldn't a K-mount DV camera be fun?  ;)

Not Really

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Re: What is this thing? (Pentax at Photokina)

[Scott Loveless]

On 9/26/06, Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Juan Buhler wrote:
> > There are some pictures of the Pentax booth at Photokina in dpreview.
> >
> > This one is strange:
> >
> > http://www.dpreview.com/articles/photokina2006/Pentax/IMG_0409.jpg
> >
> > K mount, no mirror box... Looks like a k-mount p&s prototype. Anybody
> > have any ideas?
> >
> > j
> >
> >
>
> Pentax makes me laugh.  That thing has been around for  years and years.
>   Perhaps they can come up with something new to show off their design
> abilities
>
Wouldn't a K-mount DV camera be fun?  ;)

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Re: What is this thing? (Pentax at Photokina)

[P. J. Alling]

It's the mythical Digital Viewfinder DSLR.  (Oh, God I hope not).

Juan Buhler wrote:

>There are some pictures of the Pentax booth at Photokina in dpreview.
>
>This one is strange:
>
>http://www.dpreview.com/articles/photokina2006/Pentax/IMG_0409.jpg
>
>K mount, no mirror box... Looks like a k-mount p&s prototype. Anybody
>have any ideas?
>
>j
>
>
>  
>


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Re: What is this thing? (Pentax at Photokina)

[David Savage]

On 9/27/06, Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "We were fascinated by the 'Pentax Design Studio' display of mockup
> concept models including the ultra-compact 'Digital K' SLR from 1997 -
> a 'headless' K mount body with no viewfinder and a live view LCD."
>
> Interesting.

Ugly.

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Re: What is this thing? (Pentax at Photokina)

[Christian]

Juan Buhler wrote:
> There are some pictures of the Pentax booth at Photokina in dpreview.
> 
> This one is strange:
> 
> http://www.dpreview.com/articles/photokina2006/Pentax/IMG_0409.jpg
> 
> K mount, no mirror box... Looks like a k-mount p&s prototype. Anybody
> have any ideas?
> 
> j
> 
> 

Pentax makes me laugh.  That thing has been around for  years and years. 
  Perhaps they can come up with something new to show off their design 
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Re: What is this thing? (Pentax at Photokina)

[Juan Buhler]

Ah, never mind. It's a mockup from 1997. I should have read the text:

"We were fascinated by the 'Pentax Design Studio' display of mockup
concept models including the ultra-compact 'Digital K' SLR from 1997 -
a 'headless' K mount body with no viewfinder and a live view LCD."

Interesting.

j


On 9/26/06, Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are some pictures of the Pentax booth at Photokina in dpreview.
>
> This one is strange:
>
> http://www.dpreview.com/articles/photokina2006/Pentax/IMG_0409.jpg
>
> K mount, no mirror box... Looks like a k-mount p&s prototype. Anybody
> have any ideas?
>
> j
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What is this thing? (Pentax at Photokina)

[Juan Buhler]

There are some pictures of the Pentax booth at Photokina in dpreview.

This one is strange:

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/photokina2006/Pentax/IMG_0409.jpg

K mount, no mirror box... Looks like a k-mount p&s prototype. Anybody
have any ideas?

j


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Photokina? Nah

[William Robb]

This just in from Ulan Bator

http://shavemyyeti.com/

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Re: Photokina news

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 9/26/2006 7:01:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You can read the first day's photokina news here:

http://www.imaginginfo.com/2006_photokina.jsp

Bob

Somehow with all the press releases I thought it was already over.

Is it just anti-climatic from here on?

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

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Photokina news

[Bob Shell]

You can read the first day's photokina news here:

http://www.imaginginfo.com/2006_photokina.jsp

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Re: Photokina tomorrow

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Patrick Genovese"
Subject: Re: Photokina tomorrow


> Hi
>
> Pls do us all a favour and grill the reps on the pentax stand to get
> some real life sample images off the K10D

I'm trying to get a real life look at the camera. My dealer told me 
yesterday that the rep isn't expecting the camera much before mid 
November now.
This may mean that some other market is being used for beta testing this 
time, so it may be alright.

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Re: Photokina? Nah

[David Savage]

Ookay then

On 9/26/06, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This just in from Ulan Bator
>
> http://shavemyyeti.com/
>
> WW

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Re: Photokina news

[Bob Shell]

On Sep 26, 2006, at 10:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Somehow with all the press releases I thought it was already over.
>
> Is it just anti-climatic from here on?

Pretty much, although some companies don't announce things the first  
day.  If you go to that site daily, you can read that day's news.   
What you see on the site is the daily newspaper Cygnus publishes and  
distributes for free at photokina.  Today's edition, the first one,  
is made up mostly from pre-release announcements. Tomorrow's may be  
more interesting.

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Re: Photokina tomorrow

[Patrick Genovese]

Hi

Pls do us all a favour and grill the reps on the pentax stand to get
some real life sample images off the K10D

:-)

Patrick

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> Let me know if you'll be there too, would be nice to meet there ;)
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Re: Photokina tomorrow

[David Savage]

...and take lot's of photos from many angles.

Dave

On 9/26/06, Patrick Genovese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Pls do us all a favour and grill the reps on the pentax stand to get
> some real life sample images off the K10D
>
> :-)
>
> Patrick
>
> On 9/25/06, Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'll be at Photokina tomorrow.
> > Let me know if you'll be there too, would be nice to meet there ;)

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Re: Pre-Photokina: New DSLR from FujiFilm

[Cotty]

>> And the link to Pentax is?

On 26/9/06, Digital Image Studio, discombobulated, unleashed:

>
>Tenuous but the Nucore post processor which the K10D may or may not
>use has integrated facial recognition features.

Just because you are full of the joys of spring meladdo...

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Re: Pre-Photokina: New DSLR from FujiFilm

[Digital Image Studio]

On 26/09/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> And the link to Pentax is?

Tenuous but the Nucore post processor which the K10D may or may not
use has integrated facial recognition features.

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Photokina tomorrow

[Thibouille]

I'll be at Photokina tomorrow.
Let me know if you'll be there too, would be nice to meet there ;)

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Re: Pre-Photokina: Pentax 645 Digital camera

[John Francis]

On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 03:30:08PM +0300, Roman wrote:
> http://www.adorama.com/catalog.tpl?op=NewsDesk_Internal&article_num=092506-1 
> <http://www.adorama.com/catalog.tpl?op=NewsDesk_Internal&article_num=092506-1>
> 
> The Pentax 645 Digital will accept interchangealbe 645AF mount lenses 
> and will sport an 18MP sensor. It will be continuously upgraded by 
> incorporating new image sensors. The ultimate goal is a 30MP sensor. 

Old news - this was first announced (and discussed) several days ago.
You might check the archives before posting these "announcements".

> Upgrade how? Changing digital backs like Hasselblad. Interesting, no?

And your source for this information is?   It's not on the Adorama
page, nor was it in the pre-Photokina press release from Pentax.


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Re: Pre-Photokina: New DSLR from FujiFilm

[Cotty]

On 25/9/06, Roman, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Pre-Photokina: New pro DSLR from Fujifilm 
><http://www.adorama.com/catalog.tpl?
op=NewsDesk_Internal&article_num=092506-4>
>Adorama (press release) - New York,USA
>Fuji announced today that it is developing its next-generation 
>professional DSLR, the FinePix S5 Pro. Based on the Nikon D200 body *...

And the link to Pentax is?

Hey - I'm as guilty as anyone of going off topic, but at least I stick
an 'OT' in the subject line ;-)

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Re: Pre-Photokina: New DSLR from FujiFilm

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sep 25, 2006, at 8:22 AM, Roman wrote:

>  op=NewsDesk_Internal&article_num=092506-4>
> Fuji announced today that it is developing its next-generation
> professional DSLR, the FinePix S5 Pro. Based on the Nikon D200 body  
> *...

Was reading about this one on DPReview. It looks quite good. Fuji's  
sensors are excellent. Nikon's lenses are excellent.

>  op=NewsDesk_Internal&article_num=092506-3>
> Fujifilm today announced the 6MP FinePix F31fd, the company's first
> pocket-sized digital camera to feature Face Detection Technology. *...

Why I would need a camera to detect faces remains a question mark for  
me. On the other hand, I'm very happy with the Fuji F30 as a  
pocketable digicam with decent sensitivity and image quality. I hate  
the xD storage card, however.

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Pre-Photokina: New DSLR from FujiFilm

[Roman]

Pre-Photokina: New pro DSLR from Fujifilm 
<http://www.adorama.com/catalog.tpl?op=NewsDesk_Internal&article_num=092506-4>
Adorama (press release) - New York,USA
Fuji announced today that it is developing its next-generation 
professional DSLR, the FinePix S5 Pro. Based on the Nikon D200 body *...
http://www.adorama.com/catalog.tpl?op=NewsDesk_Internal&article_num=092506-4

*

Pre-Photokina: Fuji compact sees faces 
<http://www.adorama.com/catalog.tpl?op=NewsDesk_Internal&article_num=092506-3>
Adorama (press release) - New York,USA
Fujifilm today announced the 6MP FinePix F31fd, the company's first 
pocket-sized digital camera to feature Face Detection Technology. *...
http://www.adorama.com/catalog.tpl?op=NewsDesk_Internal&article_num=092506-3

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Pre-Photokina: Pentax 645 Digital camera

[Roman]

http://www.adorama.com/catalog.tpl?op=NewsDesk_Internal&article_num=092506-1 


The Pentax 645 Digital will accept interchangealbe 645AF mount lenses 
and will sport an 18MP sensor. It will be continuously upgraded by 
incorporating new image sensors. The ultimate goal is a 30MP sensor. 
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Anyone going to Photokina from Belgium?

[Thibouille]

If yes, how? Car, train ? And when?

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Re: JunkEmail: Re: Photokina

[Thibouille]

I have to check and seeif train us afforable from Brussels, I have no
car (a,d proud of it^^).
I'll be back to tell you what ...

2006/9/18, Jan van Wijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi Dario (and Thibouille),
>
> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:04:19 +0200, Dario Bonazza wrote:
>
> >I'm planning attending the show for business.
> >I'll be there (very busy) for a few days.
> >However, if someone will manage a PDML meeting, I might well show up.
>
> Not an organized PDML meet, but I will be there on Wednesday the 27th.
> Will be taking another Pentax Ds user (PDML lurker from Bavaria :-)
>
> I will make sure we are at the Pentax stand at 14:00.
> Will probably be carrying my *istD with me.
>
> Regards, JvW
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Re: JunkEmail: Re: Photokina

[David Savage]

O.M.G.

What happend to your right eye?

Dave ;-)

On 9/18/06, Dario Bonazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok Jan, I'll be there too. This is me:
> http://www.dariobonazza.com/indexe.htm

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Re: JunkEmail: Re: Photokina

[Dario Bonazza]

Ok Jan, I'll be there too. This is me:
http://www.dariobonazza.com/indexe.htm

See you!

Dario

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 12:47 PM
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> Hi Dario (and Thibouille),
> 
> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:04:19 +0200, Dario Bonazza wrote:
> 
>>I'm planning attending the show for business. 
>>I'll be there (very busy) for a few days.
>>However, if someone will manage a PDML meeting, I might well show up.
> 
> Not an organized PDML meet, but I will be there on Wednesday the 27th.
> Will be taking another Pentax Ds user (PDML lurker from Bavaria :-)
> 
> I will make sure we are at the Pentax stand at 14:00.
> Will probably be carrying my *istD with me.
> 
> Regards, JvW
> 
> 
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> if you follow the 'Miscellaneous Galleries - GUIDE' link.
> 
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Re: JunkEmail: Re: Photokina

[Jan van Wijk]

Hi Dario (and Thibouille),

On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:04:19 +0200, Dario Bonazza wrote:

>I'm planning attending the show for business. 
>I'll be there (very busy) for a few days.
>However, if someone will manage a PDML meeting, I might well show up.

Not an organized PDML meet, but I will be there on Wednesday the 27th.
Will be taking another Pentax Ds user (PDML lurker from Bavaria :-)

I will make sure we are at the Pentax stand at 14:00.
Will probably be carrying my *istD with me.

Regards, JvW


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Re: Photokina

[Dario Bonazza]

I'm planning attending the show for business. I'll be there (very busy) for 
a few days.
However, if someone will manage a PDML meeting, I might well show up.

Dario

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Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 5:05 PM
Subject: Photokina


> Anybody planning to go there end september?
> Is that any interesting anyway?
>
> Would be cool to see the new Pentax there, living in Brussels, it is
> not that far for me...
>
> Any comment?
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Re: Photokina

[Jan van Wijk]

On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:37:49 +0200, Thibouille wrote:

>So I think we should plan a european PDML meeting there ;)

Indeed, would be nice to meet some other PDML members there!
Could make out a date and time to meet an the Pentax boot I guess ...

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Re: Photokina

[P. J. Alling]

Go and have fun.

Thibouille wrote:

>Anybody planning to go there end september?
>Is that any interesting anyway?
>
>Would be cool to see the new Pentax there, living in Brussels, it is
>not that far for me...
>
>Any comment?
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Re: Photokina

[Thibouille]

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Re: Photokina

[Jan van Wijk]

On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:05:29 +0200, Thibouille wrote:

>Anybody planning to go there end september?

Yes I plan on going, nit sure whicg day yet ...

>Is that any interesting anyway?

I think Photokina is always interesting, and there is
more to see than you can manage in one day :-)

However, with Pentax expected to have lots of 
new stuff, this year is more interesting than ever.

>Would be cool to see the new Pentax there, living in Brussels, 
>it is not that far for me...

Or for me, I am near Amsterdam ...

Regards, JvW

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Photokina

[Thibouille]

Anybody planning to go there end september?
Is that any interesting anyway?

Would be cool to see the new Pentax there, living in Brussels, it is
not that far for me...

Any comment?

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Re: Photokina!

[Pat White]

Frank wrote:

"I'm getting happy.

And younger.

Go figure!  "


Ah, so you're the one!  I read about you in "Now Wait For Last Year", by 
Philip K. Dick.


Pat White

Re: Photokina!

[Bob Shell]

On Dec 21, 2005, at 1:28 AM, Jens Bladt wrote:

Pentax has a habit of announcing new stuff years before its  
available - if

it will be at all.
So, perhaps there's no reason to wait getting whats available now.



Pentax is hardly unique in doing that!

Bob

Re: Photokina!

[Thibouille]

Too bad, I'll be in Cologne (or Köln if you prefer) from 1st to third January..
If someone's hanging aroung there ...

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RE: Photokina!

[Jens Bladt]

Pentax has a habit of announcing new stuff years before its available - if
it will be at all.
So, perhaps there's no reason to wait getting whats available now.
Regards

Jens Bladt
http://www.jensbladt.dk

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: dick graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 20. december 2005 15:50
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Photokina!


With Photokina and PMA coming up Jan 10 and Feb 26 is it a good idea to
wait on purchasing the ist ds2 until the shows to see what Pentax has up
its sleeve?  Any ideas as to what our favorite camera company might
introduce?

DG

e

Re: Photokina!

[frank theriault]

On 12/20/05, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm getting depressed..and older.

I'm getting happy.

And younger.

Go figure!  

cheers,
frank

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Re: Photokina!

[Lucas Rijnders]

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:53:35 +0100, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


For the misty future, I'm a "DX" (10mp) fantasizer.


Weatherproof, OTS-metering?

--
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--- Lucas Rijnders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:31:28 +0100, Mark Roberts
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> dick graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> With Photokina and PMA coming up Jan 10 and Feb 26 is it a good
idea to
>> wait on purchasing the ist ds2 until the shows to see what Pentax
has up
>> its sleeve?  Any ideas as to what our favorite camera company
might
>> introduce?
>
> Methinks Pentax will have something *really* cool to show at PMA in
Feb
> but it probably won't be available until summer. I expect it'll be
> priced to be a replacement for the ist-D rather than the DS2 (over
$1000
> US, in other words) so if you're looking at a DS2 I'd buy it now.

Youknows, or youhopes? I read strong claims that Pentax will release
a
Samsungnised DS/DL replacement at PMA, and that the -D replacement
would
have to wait until Photokina in September...

Re: Photokina!

[Mark Roberts]

dick graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I brought the subject of new dslr intro's up because of the very recent 
>dslr partnership between Pentax and Samsung.  I am wondering if Photokina 
>and PMA come too soon to see any results from the collaboration.

Interesting question. Possibly some announcements but nothing yet in
mock-up stage, would be my guess. We can be certain of a couple of
things: Neither Pentax nor Samsung rushed into their business
arrangement. And Samsung must have had a sensor and perhaps some other
technology almost ready to go when they started inquiring about a
partnership.
Samsung is big leagues and they're accustomed to very short
design-to-production cycles. It wouldn't surprise me if we saw nothing
at all at PMA in February and then had working prototypes at Photokina
in September.
 
 
-- 
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Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Photokina!

[Mark Roberts]

"Dario Bonazza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I don't expect to see a Super D at PMA,

Actually, that's the one we *will* see at PMA.
 
 
-- 
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Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Photokina!

[Doug Franklin]

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:26:18 +0100, Dario Bonazza wrote:

> I expect to see the faster 50-210 (or the like) D-FA lens at PMA.

I'd like one at f/2.8 or faster, but it'd be something of a bummer
after I just bought the current 50-200. :-)

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: Photokina!

[Jack Davis]

For the misty future, I'm a "DX" (10mp) fantasizer.

Jack

--- Lucas Rijnders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:31:28 +0100, Mark Roberts
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
> 
> > dick graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> With Photokina and PMA coming up Jan 10 and Feb 26 is it a good
> idea to
> >> wait on purchasing the ist ds2 until the shows to see what Pentax
> has up
> >> its sleeve?  Any ideas as to what our favorite camera company
> might
> >> introduce?
> >
> > Methinks Pentax will have something *really* cool to show at PMA in
> Feb
> > but it probably won't be available until summer. I expect it'll be
> > priced to be a replacement for the ist-D rather than the DS2 (over
> $1000
> > US, in other words) so if you're looking at a DS2 I'd buy it now.
> 
> Youknows, or youhopes? I read strong claims that Pentax will release
> a  
> Samsungnised DS/DL replacement at PMA, and that the -D replacement
> would  
> have to wait until Photokina in September...
> 
> -- 
> Regards, Lucas
> 
> 


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Re: Photokina!

[Tom C]

Pentax - Official Camera OF Beggars can't be Choosers

Tom C.



From: Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Photokina!
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:43:19 -0800 (PST)

I'm getting depressed..and older.
All the while, Nikon is filling up the $1700 pipeline. DANG!

Jack

Re: Photokina!

[Jack Davis]

I'm getting depressed..and older.
All the while, Nikon is filling up the $1700 pipeline. DANG!

Jack

--- Dario Bonazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> PMA will be too soon for seeing anything different from a Samsung
> rebadged 
> Pentax (probably a DS2 or DL) and maybe a Pentax DL2 or DS3 (just a
> DL or 
> DS2 with Samsung components inside). That was more or less stated on 
> occasion of Pentax-Samsung agreement, hence it is not necessary
> classified 
> info to expect that.
> Anything more than that is pure speculation and hope, IMHO.
> 
> Photokina will be next September, probably not too soon to see true
> results 
> from Pentax-Samsung partnership.
> 
> And then my own opinions about mid & top class bodies (wild guess):
> 
> I expect to see the faster 50-210 (or the like) D-FA lens at PMA.
> I also expect some updated news about the 645D at PMA, but not yet
> the real 
> thing.
> I don't expect to see a Super D at PMA, as it will need some more
> time for 
> sure. Or maybe we'll just see a mockup or three ;-)
> 
> Dario
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "dick graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Photokina!
> 
> 
> >I brought the subject of new dslr intro's up because of the very
> recent 
> >dslr partnership between Pentax and Sa

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Re: Photokina!

[Lucas Rijnders]

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:31:28 +0100, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



dick graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


With Photokina and PMA coming up Jan 10 and Feb 26 is it a good idea to
wait on purchasing the ist ds2 until the shows to see what Pentax has up
its sleeve?  Any ideas as to what our favorite camera company might
introduce?


Methinks Pentax will have something *really* cool to show at PMA in Feb
but it probably won't be available until summer. I expect it'll be
priced to be a replacement for the ist-D rather than the DS2 (over $1000
US, in other words) so if you're looking at a DS2 I'd buy it now.


Youknows, or youhopes? I read strong claims that Pentax will release a  
Samsungnised DS/DL replacement at PMA, and that the -D replacement would  
have to wait until Photokina in September...


--
Regards, Lucas

Re: Photokina!

[Dario Bonazza]

PMA will be too soon for seeing anything different from a Samsung rebadged 
Pentax (probably a DS2 or DL) and maybe a Pentax DL2 or DS3 (just a DL or 
DS2 with Samsung components inside). That was more or less stated on 
occasion of Pentax-Samsung agreement, hence it is not necessary classified 
info to expect that.

Anything more than that is pure speculation and hope, IMHO.

Photokina will be next September, probably not too soon to see true results 
from Pentax-Samsung partnership.


And then my own opinions about mid & top class bodies (wild guess):

I expect to see the faster 50-210 (or the like) D-FA lens at PMA.
I also expect some updated news about the 645D at PMA, but not yet the real 
thing.
I don't expect to see a Super D at PMA, as it will need some more time for 
sure. Or maybe we'll just see a mockup or three ;-)


Dario


- Original Message - 
From: "dick graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: Photokina!


I brought the subject of new dslr intro's up because of the very recent 
dslr partnership between Pentax and Samsung.  I am wondering if Photokina 
and PMA come too soon to see any results from the collaboration.


DG

Re: Photokina!

[dick graham]

I brought the subject of new dslr intro's up because of the very recent 
dslr partnership between Pentax and Samsung.  I am wondering if Photokina 
and PMA come too soon to see any results from the collaboration.


DG



At 10:31 AM 12/20/2005 -0500, you wrote:

dick graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>With Photokina and PMA coming up Jan 10 and Feb 26 is it a good idea to
>wait on purchasing the ist ds2 until the shows to see what Pentax has up
>its sleeve?  Any ideas as to what our favorite camera company might
>introduce?

Methinks Pentax will have something *really* cool to show at PMA in Feb
but it probably won't be available until summer. I expect it'll be
priced to be a replacement for the ist-D rather than the DS2 (over $1000
US, in other words) so if you're looking at a DS2 I'd buy it now.


--
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Photography and writing
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Re: Photokina!

[Jostein]

According to the lens chart, there may be some pancakes coming. And 
maybe a "high class tele-zoom".


Personally I keep my fingers crossed for news of the digital 645. 
Probably not a product, but maybe some updated news.


Jostein

- Original Message - 
From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Photokina!


For what it's worth, it depends on weather you can wait that long. 
I'm betting that Pentax won't have any sleeves this year let alone 
anything up them, unless of course it's a Silver DS2.


dick graham wrote:

With Photokina and PMA coming up Jan 10 and Feb 26 is it a good 
idea to wait on purchasing the ist ds2 until the shows to see what 
Pentax has up its sleeve?  Any ideas as to what our favorite camera 
company might introduce?


DG





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Re: Photokina!

[Ralf R. Radermacher]

dick graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> With Photokina...

Speaking of which, who'll be coming to Cologne anyway? Anyone interested
in some kind of meeting, informal dinner, or whatever?

Ralf

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Re: Photokina!

[Mark Roberts]

dick graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>With Photokina and PMA coming up Jan 10 and Feb 26 is it a good idea to 
>wait on purchasing the ist ds2 until the shows to see what Pentax has up 
>its sleeve?  Any ideas as to what our favorite camera company might 
>introduce?

Methinks Pentax will have something *really* cool to show at PMA in Feb
but it probably won't be available until summer. I expect it'll be
priced to be a replacement for the ist-D rather than the DS2 (over $1000
US, in other words) so if you're looking at a DS2 I'd buy it now.
 
 
-- 
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Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Photokina!

[Adam Maas]

dick graham wrote:

With Photokina and PMA coming up Jan 10 and Feb 26 is it a good idea 
to wait on purchasing the ist ds2 until the shows to see what Pentax 
has up its sleeve?  Any ideas as to what our favorite camera company 
might introduce?


DG


Not really worth waiting. Whatever gets announced won't ship for at 
least a month or two anyways.


-Adam

Re: Photokina!

[Bob Shell]

On Dec 20, 2005, at 10:05 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

For what it's worth, it depends on weather you can wait that long.   
I'm betting that Pentax won't have any sleeves this year let alone  
anything up them, unless of course it's a Silver DS2.


dick graham wrote:

With Photokina and PMA coming up Jan 10 and Feb 26 is it a good  
idea to wait on purchasing the ist ds2 until the shows to see what  
Pentax has up its sleeve?  Any ideas as to what our favorite  
camera company might introduce?


DG



Photokina is not until the end of September!  PMA is at the end of  
February/beginning of March.


Bob

Re: Photokina!

[P. J. Alling]

For what it's worth, it depends on weather you can wait that long.  I'm 
betting that Pentax won't have any sleeves this year let alone anything 
up them, unless of course it's a Silver DS2.


dick graham wrote:

With Photokina and PMA coming up Jan 10 and Feb 26 is it a good idea 
to wait on purchasing the ist ds2 until the shows to see what Pentax 
has up its sleeve?  Any ideas as to what our favorite camera company 
might introduce?


DG





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Photokina!

[dick graham]

With Photokina and PMA coming up Jan 10 and Feb 26 is it a good idea to 
wait on purchasing the ist ds2 until the shows to see what Pentax has up 
its sleeve?  Any ideas as to what our favorite camera company might 
introduce?


DG

Re: SD cards on ist DS (was: Re: Photokina)

[Mark Roberts]

Joseph Tainter wrote:
>Why did Pentax use an SD card in the *ist DS? That is a big strike 
>against buying one as a back-up body.

You answered your own question there.
The DS is for people moving up from Optios and other digicams, not for
people moving down from the ist-D.

Re: Photokina

[Keith Whaley]

Rob Studdert wrote:
On 18 Sep 2004 at 14:58, Keith Whaley wrote:

What? You mean the DS? Not available until then?

What like the DA14?

I was hoping before Santa came to the colonies!

Good luck.
Hah. All the more time to save $$, sell camera parts and stash it all away...
keith
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Re: Photokina

[Rob Studdert]

On 18 Sep 2004 at 14:58, Keith Whaley wrote:

> What? You mean the DS? Not available until then?

What like the DA14?

> I was hoping before Santa came to the colonies!

Good luck.




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Re: Photokina

[Rob Studdert]

On 18 Sep 2004 at 18:04, Caveman wrote:

> BTW, the new Nikon 12MP DSLR is using the "obsolete" CF standard. They 
> should have asked Mr. Harakiri, he knows better (or not, I 
> wonder how many RAW files from 12 MP sensor could fit in the cards we're 
> currently using).

Probably the same or just a few less, Pentax don't compress the RAW files plus 
in all their wisdom they pad the 12 bits per pixel to 16 bits. If you check out 
the average RAW file size generated by other cameras with the same sensor 
you'll see what I mean. Pentax, marching onwards and downwards.




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Re: Photokina

[Caveman]

Rob Studdert wrote:
and secondly CF is old 
technology and won't be use so much in five years, 
In five years about anything used today will be old technology.
BTW, the new Nikon 12MP DSLR is using the "obsolete" CF standard. They 
should have asked Mr. Harakiri, he knows better (or not, I 
wonder how many RAW files from 12 MP sensor could fit in the cards we're 
currently using).

SD cards on ist DS (was: Re: Photokina)

[Paul Stregevsky]

Size. Pentax evidently is betting they'll gain more sales by offering the
smallest DSLR than they'll lose by forfeiting the upward compatibility with
the DS's big brother.

Joseph Tainter wrote:

Photokina

[Caveman]

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/photokina2004/
Seems that the Nikon booth is the most interesting one.

Re: European PDMLM at Photokina?

[Jan van Wijk]

Hi Dario,

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:08:00 +0200, Dario Bonazza wrote:

>I can be there on Sep. 28 or 29 in the afternoon. Just tell me the time.

I was planning on one day arround that time too.
The 29th is best for me.

How about 29th of September, 14:00 at the Pentax stand ?

Regards, JvW


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Re: European PDMLM at Photokina?

[Dario Bonazza]

If we'll meet during the show, I'm afraid I cannot stay with you so much
(too busy, too much to do for job there in just 2 days).
If we'll meet late in the afternoon, just before leaving the show, I could
probably be more relaxed, and then go walking along the bridge and then have
some milk/tea/beers :-) and then, who knows... Anyone interested?

Dario

- Original Message - 
From: "Dario Bonazza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: European PDMLM at Photokina?


> I can be there on Sep. 28 or 29 in the afternoon. Just tell me the time.
> Bye,
> Dario
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:31 PM
> Subject: European PDMLM at Photokina?
>
>
> > Hi,
> > will there a pdml meeting at the photokina?
> > Bye Katrin
> >
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Re: European PDMLM at Photokina?

["Katrin Müller-Sauer"]

Hi Dario,
I'm not sure yet, whether I will go, but I can only go at the weekend... I
have to work and it's at least 3 hours by train...
bye Katrin

> I can be there on Sep. 28 or 29 in the afternoon. Just tell me the time.
> Bye,
> Dario
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:31 PM
> Subject: European PDMLM at Photokina?
> 
> 
> > Hi,
> > will there a pdml meeting at the photokina?
> > Bye Katrin
> >
> > -- 
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Re: European PDMLM at Photokina?

[Dario Bonazza]

I can be there on Sep. 28 or 29 in the afternoon. Just tell me the time.
Bye,
Dario

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:31 PM
Subject: European PDMLM at Photokina?


> Hi,
> will there a pdml meeting at the photokina?
> Bye Katrin
>
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Re: European PDMLM at Photokina?

[Arnold Stark]

Hello Katrin,
Half a year ago I suggested that there should be such a meeting. 
However, unfortunately, I won't be able to join as I will be away in the 
Ukraine.

Arnold
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
Hi,
will there a pdml meeting at the photokina? 
Bye Katrin

 

European PDMLM at Photokina?

[Katrin00]

Hi,
will there a pdml meeting at the photokina? 
Bye Katrin

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Re: Photokina...

[Pål Jensen]

Mark wrote:

There will be the "baby D" and some interesting lenses coming, though...



REPLY:

The baby DSLR is a safe bet and rumors say something is happening in the lens 
department. I hope Pentax will release some solid, well built zoom lenses; not 
necessarily very fast. The high-end compact zoom is something totally missing in the 
market and an such lenses should fit Pentax well.
Otherwise one can hope for that Pentax will show their 645 based DSLR although it is 
perhaps more likely for PMA in february next year.

Pål

RE: Photokina...

[Yefei He]

This ain't gonna happen in 100 years, but I wish Pentax brings a 
rangefinder camera with exchangeable lens mount. How about 
starting with the three limited edition lenses? Wait, the 43mm 
already comes with the LTM mount, doesn't it? It will be fun to 
have a rangefinder with three built-in frames, 31, 43 and 77, 
maybe adding 92 and 129 later:-)

Yefei

> 
> Only 9 weeks too go folksany wish lists?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Shaun
> 

Re: Photokina...

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jostein" 
Subject: Re: Photokina...



> 
> > Only 9 weeks too go folksany wish lists?
> 
> 1. Tickets to go there... :-)

2. Don't discuss it to death before it happens.

William Robb

RE: Photokina...

[Tom Reese]

Shaun Canning  asked this about Photokina:

"Only 9 weeks to go folksany wish lists?"

Image stabilization is too much to hope for. 

I'd like some assurance that they aren't dropping most of their lens line.

Tom Reese

Re: Photokina...

[Kevin Waterson]

This one time, at band camp, "Amita Guha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Only 9 weeks too go folksany wish lists?
> 
> A Baby D to convert people to Pentax and so that I could have a backup
> for the istD.

A *istD Pro (12-16 Mp) would be nice. Sub $5k also would be nicer

Kevin
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RE: Photokina...

[Amita Guha]

> Only 9 weeks too go folksany wish lists?

A Baby D to convert people to Pentax and so that I could have a backup
for the istD.

RE: Photokina...

[Alan Chan]

Only 9 weeks too go folksany wish lists?
Just ship one trouble free FA77/1.8 to my dealer will do. Nothing fancy.
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Re: Photokina...

[Alan Chan]

The Digital LX will no doubt pop-up again!
Not again!!
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Re: Photokina...

[Caveman]

Dr. Shaun Canning wrote:
Only 9 weeks too go folksany wish lists?
Sure. A Limited Edition Lensbaby. Silver with retractable hood, please.
cheers,
caveman

Re: Photokina...

[Dr. Shaun Canning]

Yeah, that'd be a good start!
As usual though, everyone will whip themselves into self-deluded 
fantasies about what Pentax 'are about too release'...only to be 
disappointed again. The Digital LX will no doubt pop-up again!

Cheers
Shaun
Joseph Tainter wrote:
"Only 9 weeks too go folksany wish lists?"
Well, let's see. Maybe a DA 50-200 f4. And a DA 20 f1.8.
Oh, and a firmware solution to provide image stabilization for the 
*ist D.

Actually, I'd probably settle for Pentax just to produce and ship the 
lenses they already claim to offer.

Joe

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Re: Photokina...

[Joseph Tainter]

"Only 9 weeks too go folksany wish lists?"
Well, let's see. Maybe a DA 50-200 f4. And a DA 20 f1.8.
Oh, and a firmware solution to provide image stabilization for the *ist D.
Actually, I'd probably settle for Pentax just to produce and ship the 
lenses they already claim to offer.

Joe

Photokina...

[Dr. Shaun Canning]

Only 9 weeks too go folksany wish lists?
Cheers
Shaun
--
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Dr. Shaun Canning
P.O. Box 21, 
Dampier, WA,
6714, Australia.

m: 0414 967644
http://www.heritageservices.com.au
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Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...

[Frantisek Vlcek]

JM> ...and my personal favorite: Nice*ist

JM> customer: "What's the nicest camera you have?
JM> salesperson: "We don't have the Nice*ist, how about a Kiss?"

ROTFLMAO ;-)

Best regards,
   Frantisek Vlcek

Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...

[Herb Chong]

Sanyo does the OEM for Olympus and Nikon P&S digital cameras. i am not sure
if they do anyone else's, although there are a few under Sanyo's own brand
name.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 5:50 PM
Subject: RE: Photokina rumour mill has started...


> I see. I just remembered, that Pentax "excuse" for not making the DMS-S
weas
> sensor problems. I know Nikon and pentax are using SONY sensors (D100,
*ist
> D). I guess it would give a brand an advangtage to be able to spevcially
> co-disign camera and sensor. Are Canon making thier own? Fuji Film does.
> SONY does. Olympus? Minolta? I also read, that a lot af digital cameras
are
> really made by Sanyo - which cameras I wonder?

RE: Photokina rumour mill has started...

[Jens Bladt]

I see. I just remembered, that Pentax "excuse" for not making the DMS-S weas
sensor problems. I know Nikon and pentax are using SONY sensors (D100, *ist
D). I guess it would give a brand an advangtage to be able to spevcially
co-disign camera and sensor. Are Canon making thier own? Fuji Film does.
SONY does. Olympus? Minolta? I also read, that a lot af digital cameras are
really made by Sanyo - which cameras I wonder?
All the best

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 13. maj 2004 14:52
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...


On 13 May 2004 at 12:59, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:

> on 5/13/04 7:28 AM, Jens Bladt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Who makes their own sensors for digital imaging. SONY,Canon,...?
> Kodak, Sharp, Nikon and at last Philips did.

It's a little more complicated than this I suspect, for instance the sensor
in
the Kodak 14n was spec'd by Kodak, designed by FillFacory (Belgium) and
fabricated at X-FAB (Plymouth -UK).

http://www.fillfactory.com/htm/news/news.htm
http://www.xfab.com/xfab/frontend/index.php4

So making your own sensor doesn't necessarily mean importing designers or
building a fab plant.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

on 5/13/04 7:28 AM, Jens Bladt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Who makes their own sensors for digital imaging. SONY,Canon,...?
Kodak, Sharp, Nikon and at last Philips did.

-- 
Best Regards
Sylwek

Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...

[Herb Chong]

Nikon itself spent 1995-2000 in the red, and the camera division was in the
red until last year. their chip equipment has been the only consistent money
making division in the last 10 years, and even then, lost money in 2002.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...


> Mitusubishi is bleeding money, due to huge loses in their automotive
> business. They're trying to get DaimlerChrysler, a major shareholder,
> to bail them out.

Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...

[Paul Stenquist]

Mitusubishi is bleeding money, due to huge loses in their automotive 
business. They're trying to get DaimlerChrysler, a major shareholder, 
to bail them out.
Paul
On May 12, 2004, at 6:01 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Graywolf wrote:
Mark Roberts wrote:
graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Mark Roberts wrote:
The chances of Nikon building/buying a semiconductor fab capable of
making APS-size or larger sensors is only marginally greater than 
zero.
What about the chances of their parent company doing it? The have 
some of the
most advanced fabs in the world.
Who's their parent company?
Mitsubishi.
 Wow! Now I'm *really* glad I don't own any Nikon gear! (I'm
suppressing memories of when I was an electronics technician and worked
on Mitsubishi audio and video gear...)
Anyway, the chances of Mitsubishi getting into a fab of this kind are
only slightly greater than those of Nikon doing so.
--
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...

[Herb Chong]

not according to their financial filings and Hoovers' company summary.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...


> Mitsubishi
> > 
> > Who's their parent company?

Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...

[graywolf]

Mitsubishi fabs alpha processors. They were one of the outsources that the US 
government insisted upon before the breakup of DEC. Intel and Samsung were the 
others. Intel loved it they actually got the DEC fab and the use of alpha 
technology which allowed their current processors to be made. I have not been 
keeping up with this stuff, so do not know what is in the works for the next 
generation which should be beyond the old DEC technology.

The fact they chose to sell not quite junk consumer stuff under their name does 
not mean they do not have the capabiliy to produce highend electronics. After 
all they are (or at least were) the largest conglomerate in Japan.

--

Mark Roberts wrote:
Graywolf wrote:

Mark Roberts wrote:

graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Mark Roberts wrote:

The chances of Nikon building/buying a semiconductor fab capable of
making APS-size or larger sensors is only marginally greater than zero.
What about the chances of their parent company doing it? The have some of the 
most advanced fabs in the world.
Who's their parent company?
Mitsubishi.


 Wow! Now I'm *really* glad I don't own any Nikon gear! (I'm
suppressing memories of when I was an electronics technician and worked
on Mitsubishi audio and video gear...)
Anyway, the chances of Mitsubishi getting into a fab of this kind are
only slightly greater than those of Nikon doing so.

--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html

RE: Photokina rumor mill has started...

[Jens Bladt]

Pentax is missing a 6-8 MP gun shaped pro-sumer DSLR with a fixed zoom lens.
Most other brands offer such a camera (Nikon, Minolta, Olympus etc.). This
seems to me to be the right step for Pentax, who will not really compete on
high end/pro DSRL market, which requires a whole new camera/lens line up
(like Olympus E-1). I'm actually suprised Pentax didn't make this instead of
the *ist D. But I guess maybe they targeted the *ist D at the many owners of
35mm Pentax lenses. My bet is that's what we'll se from Pentax at Photokina.
I don't really believe in a new full frame 8-14MP Pentax DSLR - it appears
to be years too late.

A DMZ-S would still be nice, though. Or they could buy a camera body from
someone else (Epson, HP?) and concentrate on what they are really good at -
lens making and reseach/developing (I recall someone said Pentax owns
patents for IS-tecnology).

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Shawn K. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 12. maj 2004 00:39
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: RE: Photokina rumor mill has started...


It's so exciting, I can't wait to see what kinds of new features Pentax will
be introducing in their upcoming cameras.  In camera image stabilization
would be fantastic.  Imagine, IS while using a 40 year old screw mount lens!
I feel giddy.

-Shawn

-Original Message-
From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 11:28 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...



- Original Message -
From: "Dario Bonazza"
Subject: Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...


> My info supports Steve's opinion.

What does it say about his spell checker's opinion?

William Robb

Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...

[Mark Roberts]

Graywolf wrote:
>Mark Roberts wrote:
>>graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>Mark Roberts wrote:
 The chances of Nikon building/buying a semiconductor fab capable of
 making APS-size or larger sensors is only marginally greater than zero.
>>>
>>>What about the chances of their parent company doing it? The have some of the 
>>>most advanced fabs in the world.
>>
>>Who's their parent company?
>
>Mitsubishi.

 Wow! Now I'm *really* glad I don't own any Nikon gear! (I'm
suppressing memories of when I was an electronics technician and worked
on Mitsubishi audio and video gear...)

Anyway, the chances of Mitsubishi getting into a fab of this kind are
only slightly greater than those of Nikon doing so.


-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...

[Mark Roberts]

Frantisek Vlcek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>SD> Even if Nikon does start to make their own sensors (there is a rumor
>SD> about this), they'll never match Canon's R&D budget.  Of course, Sony is
>
>I think the D2H's chip was in-house.

It was *designed* in house (they say) but manufacture is contracted out.
The chances of Nikon building/buying a semiconductor fab capable of
making APS-size or larger sensors is only marginally greater than zero.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

RE: Photokina rumour mill has started...

[Steve Desjardins]

As doubtgul as I am, I would gladly be proven wrong for a high-end DSLR.
 I also hope they don't "lowball" the AF too much on the baby D.  That's
the market segment that will most rely on AF.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/11/04 08:25PM >>>
Hi All,
I'd kept quiet on what I'd heard from an Australian Pentax rep. but as
it's under discussion...

The rep stated matter of factly that Pentax was releasing a low end
*ist
D based on the MZ-60 that would have a street price of "about
AU$1,600"
and a brand new high end model that would come in at around AU$11,000.
Release for the MZ-60 D (or whatever they call it - Maybe #ist) would
be
September and the high end model "before Christmas"

Should I keep this email for future reference?

Cheers,
Simon



-Original Message-
From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 4:48 AM
To: pentax list
Subject: Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...

On 11/5/04, BRUCE D, discombobulated, offered:

>I tend to agree.  For Pentax, selling a bit downstream into the 300D
>market makes a lot of sense.  There are many sales to be had.  Going
>upstream from the *istD, however, seems much more difficult.  Two big
>reasons to me.
>1) Canon and Nikon have multiple models in that segment - these are
>very well received and very well endowed - the best Pentax would be
>able to do is a "me too" type of camera that would be selling into
the
>$3000-5000 range.  Not many buyers and very few Pentax buyers.
>2) When moving upstream to higher end bodies, the system surrounding
>the camera becomes much more important.  The lack of IS, USM and high
>speed glass, especially in the zoom category is a big weakness for
>Pentax and would need to be released about the same time or at least
>shown that these things will be available shortly.  This is not going
>to happen.
>
>My guess is that you are going to see the next generation *istD
rather
>than an upper model (in a sense, it will be an upper model to the
>current *istD spec) - probably bigger sensor (megapixels, not
>necessarily size), a few new/more features, fixes to problems in
existing
>*istD, etc.  The *ist D will slowly phase out as stock is depleted.

I was going to write virtually the same thing - honest. This is my
feeling exactly. Actually, if Pentax had any sense and listened to the
brains on this list, the *ist D mark 2 could be a very special camera
indeed...



Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...

[Frantisek Vlcek]

SD> Even if Nikon does start to make their own sensors (there is a rumor
SD> about this), they'll never match Canon's R&D budget.  Of course, Sony is

I think the D2H's chip was in-house. Not that it does much matter, but
just to clarify. The electronics around the chip do matter a lot,
anyway. As well as the various antialias/RGB/IR filters in front.
Same chip but different electronics make a lot of difference (vis D100
vs D70).

Best regards,
   Frantisek Vlcek

Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...

[Steve Desjardins]

Unfortunatley, I think most of Pentax's customers are the "Give me what
I can have for under $2000." vairety.  I would be very surprised to see
Pentax release a $5000 DSLR, unless it were somehow aimed at their MF
market.

OTOH, 10 MP might be no big deal in a short time, although the FF
sensor might be.  I have a feeling that the APS sensor might be here for
 along time.  I think  more folks want teles not WA's so the FF sensor
is not a big point for them.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/11/04 09:41PM >>>
i want 10 megapixels, USB 2.0 or Firewire, better sealing, faster AF,
and
better low light AF. i would settle for an 3x6MP Foveon. that is all
that is
necessary for me to spend $5-6K on the camera.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...


>
> At that price (which is what?  Around $5000 US?) I'd assume they'd
have
> to be aiming at the EOS-1D market, and going for a larger sensor
than
> that in the *ist-D.  Probably not "full frame", as I'd expect the
new
> DA lenses to work with any new body.  Whether that means 8MP or 10MP
> depends on the available sensor technology - Pentax aren't large
enough
> to have their own sensor built to their own specifications.

Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...

[Steve Desjardins]

This is the key point.  Since Pentax doesn't make chips, they will sell
what's available.  They'll have a 10 MP FF snesor when everyone else
does.  If you want chip innovaiton, you'll have to switch to Canon. 
Even if Nikon does start to make their own sensors (there is a rumor
about this), they'll never match Canon's R&D budget.  Of course, Sony is
bigger than all of them . . .


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/11/04 09:05PM >>>

- Original Message - 
From: "Herb Chong"
Subject: Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...


> if the high end body has at least 10 megapixels, i am buying one.
if not,
> it's a sign to me that Pentax isn't truly serious and i will be
thinking
> very carefully about what to get next.
>

Since Pentax is not a chip maker, they will have to have a, OTS
supplier.
Who is making sensors in the 10mp/ APS size range these days that
would supply them?
If the come out with a 10mp that is approaching full frame, I would
have to seriously consider buying one myself.

William Robb

Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...

[Steve Desjardins]

Jeez, don't encourage him . . . ;-)

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/11/04 04:58PM >>>
Nice one!

John

On Tue, 11 May 2004 11:50:56 -0400, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

wrote:

> "Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Also, my spell checker keeps trying to replace "Photokina" with
>> "Fettuccini"
>
> Rather than relying on your spell checker you should use your
noodle.
>



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Re: Photokina rumour mill has started...

[Frantisek Vlcek]

Wednesday, May 12, 2004, 5:33:19 AM, John wrote:
JM> Hey, it's got an LCD screen, so how about a nice TV receiver, using
JM> the CF card as a TIVO?  Plus an AM/FM stereo radio?  Organizer, note
JM> pad, spreadsheet, database, todo list, a few games, email, you know,
JM> the full suite of PDA apps?  Might as well add a cell phone slash
JM> walkie-talkie and ports for external keyboards and monitors. I mean,
JM> why waste all that memory and computing power, I'm sure there is
JM> plenty of extra space inside to add a chip or a board or two, and oh
JM> yeh don't forget the Scrabble dictionary.


NOO!!!

I do not want to see "blue screens of death" on my camera! I got
scared enough when I found out that most DSLRs including mine have a
"reset" button!

I have got enough computer troubles with my desktop. Don't computerize
the cameras, they are difficult enough already...

:)

Best regards,
   Frantisek Vlcek