Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
On 6/12/2011 13:40, Paul Stenquist wrote: I did get your test message. Paul Roger that. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
I did get your test message. Paul On Jun 12, 2011, at 12:41 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 6/12/2011 03:04, Paul Stenquist wrote: Hi Boris, Never did get it. No matter. Facebook isn't a very important issue. Paul I certainly agree. However my lack of ability to send you a private message needs to be addressed. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
On 10/6/11, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: Replied off list. If we all did that there would be no list ! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
On 10/6/11, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: In any case, people who don't want Facebook to analyse their face, can always replace it with a photo of a mandrill's arse. I'm tempted to join Facebook just to do that, but I don't think my 'friends' would spot the difference. Im sure I could tell the difference. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
On 11/06/2011 08:32, Cotty wrote: On 10/6/11, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: In any case, people who don't want Facebook to analyse their face, can always replace it with a photo of a mandrill's arse. I'm tempted to join Facebook just to do that, but I don't think my 'friends' would spot the difference. Im sure I could tell the difference. Look for the signs of intelligence? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
Subject: Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day On 10/6/11, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: Replied off list. If we all did that there would be no list ! yes there would. It would be the Pentax Telling People You've Replied Offlist Instead Of Sharing It List. It would consist of hundreds of messages every day like this: Replied off list Replied off list to off list reply Started conversation offlist with Bozza Ignoring off list messages Offlist conversation with Bill Robb ended acrimoniously Held offlist PDML meeting that you weren't invited to ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
On Jun 11, 2011, at 2:30 AM, Cotty wrote: On 10/6/11, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: Replied off list. If we all did that there would be no list ! And he didn't reply! Paul -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
On 6/11/2011 10:51, Bob W wrote: Subject: Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day On 10/6/11, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: Replied off list. If we all did that there would be no list ! yes there would. It would be the Pentax Telling People You've Replied Offlist Instead Of Sharing It List. It would consist of hundreds of messages every day like this: Replied off list Replied off list to off list reply Started conversation offlist with Bozza Ignoring off list messages Offlist conversation with Bill Robb ended acrimoniously Held offlist PDML meeting that you weren't invited to There is a mild flaw in your logic, gentlemen. For us all to reply off list there would have to be some on list messages to start with, wouldn't they? Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
On 6/11/2011 13:35, Paul Stenquist wrote: And he didn't reply! Paul Awkward as it is, I did send you a message yesterday. Did it once more time just a moment ago. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
On 11/6/11, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: yes there would. It would be the Pentax Telling People You've Replied Offlist Instead Of Sharing It List. It would consist of hundreds of messages every day like this: Replied off list Replied off list to off list reply Started conversation offlist with Bozza Ignoring off list messages Offlist conversation with Bill Robb ended acrimoniously Held offlist PDML meeting that you weren't invited to Replied off list. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
On Jun 11, 2011, at 7:33 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 6/11/2011 13:35, Paul Stenquist wrote: And he didn't reply! Paul Awkward as it is, I did send you a message yesterday. Did it once more time just a moment ago. Hi Boris, Never did get it. No matter. Facebook isn't a very important issue. Paul Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
On 6/12/2011 03:04, Paul Stenquist wrote: Hi Boris, Never did get it. No matter. Facebook isn't a very important issue. Paul I certainly agree. However my lack of ability to send you a private message needs to be addressed. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
On 6/10/2011 23:22, John Sessoms wrote: From: Boris Liberman On 6/9/2011 22:15, Bob W wrote: a little language tip for you, Boris. Nobody says fucking unbelievable. It's always un-fuckin'-believable. Even my granny says it that way, and she's 115. B Nothing can really replace good old Russian Mat. I am pretty bad in swearing in either Hebrew or English, but Russian is naturally entirely different story. Yeah, but if the person you swearing at doesn't understand what you're saying, what use is it? If someone is swearing at you - you don't really need to know the language, do you? If someone is swearing with you - you may have a point, although I am under impression that certain expletives (from many languages, not just Russian) are becoming international. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
[...] it's tweaked some the wrong way. Fortunately, one can easily opt out of it. No big deal for those who don't suffer from paranoia. Paul one of the differences between the USA and Europe is that in Europe the default must be to opt in to things, not opt out. Otherwise, and I know this happens in the USA, you find yourself opted in to all sorts of shit against your wishes. Hows about if I opt you into the convicted pedo chapter of the Ku Klux Klan? No worries - if you don't want to be part of it, it's an easy opt-out. Just get yourself down to Georgia and sign the opt out clause in the membership books held in each county branch. More realistically, I get junk telephone calls from the USA, presumably because someone I bought something from over the internet sold my details, and I can't get out of it. Over here we have a way of dealing with it but unfortuntately their writ doesn't extend to the US. Call that paranoia if you like. In any case, people who don't want Facebook to analyse their face, can always replace it with a photo of a mandrill's arse. I'm tempted to join Facebook just to do that, but I don't think my 'friends' would spot the difference. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:30 +0100, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: In any case, people who don't want Facebook to analyse their face, can always replace it with a photo of a mandrill's arse. I'm tempted to join Facebook just to do that, but I don't think my 'friends' would spot the difference. Well, that's too long for a Mark! - but I'm going to put that into my 'Hold' folder for future reference. (anyone got a spare photo of a mandrill's arse?) Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
On 6/10/2011 11:45, Brian Walters wrote: Well, that's too long for a Mark! - but I'm going to put that into my 'Hold' folder for future reference. (anyone got a spare photo of a mandrill's arse?) Feeding mandril ass picture to google can be enlightening in this regard... Pun intended. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 11:47 +0300, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/10/2011 11:45, Brian Walters wrote: Well, that's too long for a Mark! - but I'm going to put that into my 'Hold' folder for future reference. (anyone got a spare photo of a mandrill's arse?) Feeding mandril ass picture to google can be enlightening in this regard... Pun intended. Oh dear, and I'm just about to have dinner Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
On 6/10/2011 11:50, Brian Walters wrote: Oh dear, and I'm just about to have dinner Surely and verily I cannot be held responsible for the unfortunate time difference between my furiously hot time zone and yours... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
2011/6/10 Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net: Facebook does push the envelope. The facial recognition thing is meant to make it easy to tag photos. It's not a plot to spy on members. But it's tweaked some the wrong way. Fortunately, one can easily opt out of it. No big deal for those who don't suffer from paranoia. Not a matter of paranoia, Paul. Just a matter of who respects what. Facebook make their money profiling people and selling this information to marketers and using it to better target ads. The tags allow them to learn more about people. They can be useful, there is no doubt about that. However, I also consider them a violation of my privacy. I don't have beef with facebook - if people want to use it, fine. I gave it a second chance myself. BUT- if I have no control over whether or not facebook maintain in their database an image tag with my name and for my face, then I have a problem with that. If they were to offer a privacy setting that said identify my face and name and suppress use of it by others I would consider that a great move and it would bring facebook a little farther up on my scale where right now it resides below both the decent and the yes I would pay for that threshold. Hope this clears it up Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
I agree that it would be preferable for Facebook to have made facial recognition an opt-in feature, and they may well do that since there has been some discontent. However, I fail to see any real downside to it. Once you're logged in, the system already knows who you are. In any case, I suspect it will be short lived, as many users don't post a current photo. Mine, for example, is forty years old, while my daughter uses a picture of her daughter -- Grace. Paul On Jun 10, 2011, at 3:30 AM, Bob W wrote: [...] it's tweaked some the wrong way. Fortunately, one can easily opt out of it. No big deal for those who don't suffer from paranoia. Paul one of the differences between the USA and Europe is that in Europe the default must be to opt in to things, not opt out. Otherwise, and I know this happens in the USA, you find yourself opted in to all sorts of shit against your wishes. Hows about if I opt you into the convicted pedo chapter of the Ku Klux Klan? No worries - if you don't want to be part of it, it's an easy opt-out. Just get yourself down to Georgia and sign the opt out clause in the membership books held in each county branch. More realistically, I get junk telephone calls from the USA, presumably because someone I bought something from over the internet sold my details, and I can't get out of it. Over here we have a way of dealing with it but unfortuntately their writ doesn't extend to the US. Call that paranoia if you like. In any case, people who don't want Facebook to analyse their face, can always replace it with a photo of a mandrill's arse. I'm tempted to join Facebook just to do that, but I don't think my 'friends' would spot the difference. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
2011/6/10 Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net: Once you're logged in, the system already knows who you are. Agreed. But do take a look at what facebook says to advertise their data mapping and mining abilities to online marketers. They infer all sorts of information about you just from who your friends are and from the batch import of your various mail address books and your communication habits etc. etc. and we may well agree that there is no harm done as long as all it means is that you get adverts for stuff they think you may want. However, once that data reaches a critical mass, others may become interested in it - NB I am not saying THEM or the Bilderbergers or the SYSTEM. Just anyone really. I just don't want my data in the wrong hands. Any black hat will do just fine. I don't think you can call that paranoia. I just feel that facebook is giving very little and (call it taking or asking) very little in return. Free Farmville doesn't add much to my life... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
In the US it is possible to enter you phone numbers into a no call database. That eliminates most of the calls, although charities and political organizations to whom you have contributed and merchants with whom you have transacted business can still call you. https://www.donotcall.gov/ I guess all those marketers prohibited from calling me have decided to call you instead. G Dan On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:30 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: [...] it's tweaked some the wrong way. Fortunately, one can easily opt out of it. No big deal for those who don't suffer from paranoia. Paul one of the differences between the USA and Europe is that in Europe the default must be to opt in to things, not opt out. Otherwise, and I know this happens in the USA, you find yourself opted in to all sorts of shit against your wishes. Hows about if I opt you into the convicted pedo chapter of the Ku Klux Klan? No worries - if you don't want to be part of it, it's an easy opt-out. Just get yourself down to Georgia and sign the opt out clause in the membership books held in each county branch. More realistically, I get junk telephone calls from the USA, presumably because someone I bought something from over the internet sold my details, and I can't get out of it. Over here we have a way of dealing with it but unfortuntately their writ doesn't extend to the US. Call that paranoia if you like. In any case, people who don't want Facebook to analyse their face, can always replace it with a photo of a mandrill's arse. I'm tempted to join Facebook just to do that, but I don't think my 'friends' would spot the difference. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
I'd love to have some deep philosophical attitude toward Facebook, but mostly I just can't be bothered looking that often. I have a minimum sort of a page because I go there sometimes, but it just doesn't float my boat in general. On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Peter Zalabai tim...@clancode.hu wrote: Pentaxforums is giving away a Limited lens for the WPD this year. Read more about the event at http://www.pentaxforums.com/World-Pentax-Day---June-18th,-2011-w/-Prize Cheers, .t -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
On Jun 10, 2011, at 7:42 AM, Ecke PDML wrote: 2011/6/10 Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net: Once you're logged in, the system already knows who you are. Agreed. But do take a look at what facebook says to advertise their data mapping and mining abilities to online marketers. They infer all sorts of information about you just from who your friends are and from the batch import of your various mail address books and your communication habits etc. etc. and we may well agree that there is no harm done as long as all it means is that you get adverts for stuff they think you may want. However, once that data reaches a critical mass, others may become interested in it - NB I am not saying THEM or the Bilderbergers or the SYSTEM. Just anyone really. I just don't want my data in the wrong hands. Any black hat will do just fine. I don't think you can call that paranoia. I just feel that facebook is giving very little and (call it taking or asking) very little in return. Free Farmville doesn't add much to my life... Of course Facebook provides an extensive database for advertisers. That's their stock in trade. But so do literally millions of other websites -- websites that aren't subject to the constant monitoring and scrutiny that attends Facebook, due to its prominence and reach. Heck, everything we've said here will soon be in the Pentax archives and available to the entire internet world. Every site you visit, every item you buy, every search you conduct contributes to your electronic profile. Worrying about Facebook is pointless, IMO. The only way to maintain privacy is to unplug all the electronic devices in your home and become a veritable hermit. By the way, I've opted out of Farmville updates:-). Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
I've selected my main target (subjects) for World Pentax Day: http://www.kearneyhub.com/news/local/article_cd6c2dd4-9128-11e0-a516-001cc4c03286.html Also, my Olympus iS/L macro A-Life Size will arrive in about an hour, so I will get to play with that this weekend, as well. Should be a fun photo weekend! Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
On 2011-06-10 07:06 , Daniel J. Matyola wrote: In the US it is possible to enter you phone numbers into a no call database. That eliminates most of the calls, although charities and political organizations to whom you have contributed and merchants with whom you have transacted business can still call you. https://www.donotcall.gov/ i'm on federal and state no-call lists, but i get at least a couple calls a month from marketers who ignore these relatively toothless services (i inform them that i've logged their call and the next call will be reported to the Colorado Attorney General; this has stopped most second calls except for some scummy cardio checkup services that avoid telling me the name of the outfit and cuss me out when i insist they identify themselves) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
From: Boris Liberman On 6/9/2011 22:15, Bob W wrote: a little language tip for you, Boris. Nobody says fucking unbelievable. It's always un-fuckin'-believable. Even my granny says it that way, and she's 115. B Nothing can really replace good old Russian Mat. I am pretty bad in swearing in either Hebrew or English, but Russian is naturally entirely different story. Yeah, but if the person you swearing at doesn't understand what you're saying, what use is it? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
Free Farmville doesn't add much to my life... MARK! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Ecke PDML overpenta...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day 2011/6/10 Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net: Once you're logged in, the system already knows who you are. Agreed. But do take a look at what facebook says to advertise their data mapping and mining abilities to online marketers. They infer all sorts of information about you just from who your friends are and from the batch import of your various mail address books and your communication habits etc. etc. and we may well agree that there is no harm done as long as all it means is that you get adverts for stuff they think you may want. However, once that data reaches a critical mass, others may become interested in it - NB I am not saying THEM or the Bilderbergers or the SYSTEM. Just anyone really. I just don't want my data in the wrong hands. Any black hat will do just fine. I don't think you can call that paranoia. I just feel that facebook is giving very little and (call it taking or asking) very little in return. Free Farmville doesn't add much to my life... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
On 09/06/2011 6:54 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: BH's Posner is a good man. He has been unjustifiably attacked by a person on this list. But his record is solid, and BH is probably the most reliable, most honest vendor in the camera biz. As an example, On another forum I troll from time to time, Mr. Posner made it clear that a camera imported from BH to London England would not be considered a grey market camera simply because BH bought it from Pentax USA. That this is pure bunk was lost on him. He is dismissive of people who don't agree with him (much like you are Paul), and tends to ignore or deliberately misread posts so as to give answers that match his script. Whether this sort of behaviour leaves him open to attacks, either justified or otherwise, I don't really concern myself with. I'm sure he is a good man in your opinion, and I know that BH is a solid company, but he irks me enough that the company he represents is not my choice for grey market gear unless I can't get it from anywhere else. I'm certain that this won't hurt their bottom line any more than it will help Adorama's bottom line. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: 18/06 - World Pentax Day
On Jun 10, 2011, at 8:10 PM, William Robb wrote: On 09/06/2011 6:54 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: BH's Posner is a good man. He has been unjustifiably attacked by a person on this list. But his record is solid, and BH is probably the most reliable, most honest vendor in the camera biz. As an example, On another forum I troll from time to time, Mr. Posner made it clear that a camera imported from BH to London England would not be considered a grey market camera simply because BH bought it from Pentax USA. That this is pure bunk was lost on him. He is dismissive of people who don't agree with him (much like you are Paul), I'm always open to disagreement, but I find pure vitriol, disagreeable. The previous discussion of Mr. Posner was an example of that. Paul and tends to ignore or deliberately misread posts so as to give answers that match his script. Whether this sort of behaviour leaves him open to attacks, either justified or otherwise, I don't really concern myself with. I'm sure he is a good man in your opinion, and I know that BH is a solid company, but he irks me enough that the company he represents is not my choice for grey market gear unless I can't get it from anywhere else. I'm certain that this won't hurt their bottom line any more than it will help Adorama's bottom line. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yeah. BH and PF are looking to increase their FB likes. Not my cup of tea personally but then I've already deleted my FB account once before recreating it and now that facebook has added face recognition without notifying me, I am on the verge of doing it again, except this time for good. 2011/6/9 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Peter, to participate one has to have a FaceBook account. This condition seems to have been one of the reasons for a bit of a flame on PF with this regards... On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:04 AM, Peter Zalabai tim...@clancode.hu wrote: Pentaxforums is giving away a Limited lens for the WPD this year. Read more about the event at http://www.pentaxforums.com/World-Pentax-Day---June-18th,-2011-w/-Prize Cheers, .t -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I was thinking of contributing but I dislike even the idea of joining FB. It probably shows that I am not a potential customer of BH and a target of ther marketing dept. Oh my ;) Bulent - http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/bulentcelasun -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Ecke PDML overpenta...@googlemail.com wrote: Yeah. BH and PF are looking to increase their FB likes. Not my cup of tea personally but then I've already deleted my FB account once before recreating it and now that facebook has added face recognition without notifying me, I am on the verge of doing it again, except this time for good. Recently I passed by a eCompany that would sell FB likes. Like (pun intended) you pay them some bucks and they guarantee you so many more FB likes. That would literally making money out of nothing. Later that day I concocted a joke that money does not grow in trees, but it does grow on binary trees. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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so true. they probably have an army of professional FB likers on their payroll. likely the same people who build WoW accounts etc... 2011/6/9 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Ecke PDML overpenta...@googlemail.com wrote: Yeah. BH and PF are looking to increase their FB likes. Not my cup of tea personally but then I've already deleted my FB account once before recreating it and now that facebook has added face recognition without notifying me, I am on the verge of doing it again, except this time for good. Recently I passed by a eCompany that would sell FB likes. Like (pun intended) you pay them some bucks and they guarantee you so many more FB likes. That would literally making money out of nothing. Later that day I concocted a joke that money does not grow in trees, but it does grow on binary trees. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Boris Liberman On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Ecke PDML overpenta...@googlemail.com wrote: Yeah. BH and PF are looking to increase their FB likes. Not my cup of tea personally but then I've already deleted my FB account once before recreating it and now that facebook has added face recognition without notifying me, I am on the verge of doing it again, except this time for good. Recently I passed by a eCompany that would sell FB likes. Like (pun intended) you pay them some bucks and they guarantee you so many more FB likes. That would literally making money out of nothing. Later that day I concocted a joke that money does not grow in trees, but it does grow on binary trees. I refuse to use FaceBook. My introduction to Facebook for Photographers was 3 days of marketing presentations that all boiled down to how to evade FaceBook's TOS to become friends with school kids so you could beat them up and steal their lunch money. Or worse yet, USE your new friends to beat up other kids and steal their lunch money for you. I ain't gonna' have nothin' to do that. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3689 - Release Date: 06/08/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:12 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I refuse to use FaceBook. Take it or leave it, John, but like written in Hebrew letters meaning to like something on Facebook/Twitter or some such seemingly is becoming a new word in the language here... -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 09/06/2011 12:48 AM, Bulent Celasun wrote: It probably shows that I am not a potential customer of BH and a target of ther marketing dept. Oh my ;) If I'm buying grey market, I tend to use Adorama. Nothing really wrong with BH, but Henry Posner (their face on the internet) can be a bit of a dick, and that colours my attitude towards giving his employer money. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:30 PM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: If I'm buying grey market, I tend to use Adorama. Nothing really wrong with BH, but Henry Posner (their face on the internet) can be a bit of a dick, and that colours my attitude towards giving his employer money. Not trying to defend BH in any way, but I do marvel at your use of expletives, William. Sometimes it is bloody hilarious or even fucking unbelievable... But then again, we are on the different sides of Great Linguistic Divide anyway... -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:30 PM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: If I'm buying grey market, I tend to use Adorama. Nothing really wrong with BH, but Henry Posner (their face on the internet) can be a bit of a dick, and that colours my attitude towards giving his employer money. Not trying to defend BH in any way, but I do marvel at your use of expletives, William. Sometimes it is bloody hilarious or even fucking unbelievable... But then again, we are on the different sides of Great Linguistic Divide anyway... -- Boris a little language tip for you, Boris. Nobody says fucking unbelievable. It's always un-fuckin'-believable. Even my granny says it that way, and she's 115. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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ROTFL. I had exactly the same thought. I could even hear my inner English teacher saying it in the correcting voice. On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:30 PM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: If I'm buying grey market, I tend to use Adorama. Nothing really wrong with BH, but Henry Posner (their face on the internet) can be a bit of a dick, and that colours my attitude towards giving his employer money. Not trying to defend BH in any way, but I do marvel at your use of expletives, William. Sometimes it is bloody hilarious or even fucking unbelievable... But then again, we are on the different sides of Great Linguistic Divide anyway... -- Boris a little language tip for you, Boris. Nobody says fucking unbelievable. It's always un-fuckin'-believable. Even my granny says it that way, and she's 115. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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BH's Posner is a good man. He has been unjustifiably attacked by a person on this list. But his record is solid, and BH is probably the most reliable, most honest vendor in the camera biz. Paul On Jun 9, 2011, at 8:10 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: ROTFL. I had exactly the same thought. I could even hear my inner English teacher saying it in the correcting voice. On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:30 PM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: If I'm buying grey market, I tend to use Adorama. Nothing really wrong with BH, but Henry Posner (their face on the internet) can be a bit of a dick, and that colours my attitude towards giving his employer money. Not trying to defend BH in any way, but I do marvel at your use of expletives, William. Sometimes it is bloody hilarious or even fucking unbelievable... But then again, we are on the different sides of Great Linguistic Divide anyway... -- Boris a little language tip for you, Boris. Nobody says fucking unbelievable. It's always un-fuckin'-believable. Even my granny says it that way, and she's 115. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't know anything about selling Facebook likes. I have a page on Facebook for my marketing company, and I've steadily accumulated followers. It's brought me a fair amount of work. BH markets on Facebook, rather unobtrusively in my opinion. Hell, any company who has any marketing savvy whatsoever works Facebook to their advantage, Pentax among them. Facebook does push the envelope. The facial recognition thing is meant to make it easy to tag photos. It's not a plot to spy on members. But it's tweaked some the wrong way. Fortunately, one can easily opt out of it. No big deal for those who don't suffer from paranoia. Paul On Jun 9, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Ecke PDML overpenta...@googlemail.com wrote: Yeah. BH and PF are looking to increase their FB likes. Not my cup of tea personally but then I've already deleted my FB account once before recreating it and now that facebook has added face recognition without notifying me, I am on the verge of doing it again, except this time for good. Recently I passed by a eCompany that would sell FB likes. Like (pun intended) you pay them some bucks and they guarantee you so many more FB likes. That would literally making money out of nothing. Later that day I concocted a joke that money does not grow in trees, but it does grow on binary trees. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/10/2011 04:07, Paul Stenquist wrote: I don't know anything about selling Facebook likes. I have a page on Facebook for my marketing company, and I've steadily accumulated followers. It's brought me a fair amount of work. BH markets on Facebook, rather unobtrusively in my opinion. Hell, any company who has any marketing savvy whatsoever works Facebook to their advantage, Pentax among them. Facebook does push the envelope. The facial recognition thing is meant to make it easy to tag photos. It's not a plot to spy on members. But it's tweaked some the wrong way. Fortunately, one can easily opt out of it. No big deal for those who don't suffer from paranoia. Paul Replied off list. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/9/2011 22:15, Bob W wrote: a little language tip for you, Boris. Nobody says fucking unbelievable. It's always un-fuckin'-believable. Even my granny says it that way, and she's 115. B Nothing can really replace good old Russian Mat. I am pretty bad in swearing in either Hebrew or English, but Russian is naturally entirely different story. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Peter, to participate one has to have a FaceBook account. This condition seems to have been one of the reasons for a bit of a flame on PF with this regards... On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:04 AM, Peter Zalabai tim...@clancode.hu wrote: Pentaxforums is giving away a Limited lens for the WPD this year. Read more about the event at http://www.pentaxforums.com/World-Pentax-Day---June-18th,-2011-w/-Prize Cheers, .t -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
