Re: Advice Needed For Student
On Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 11:33 AM, William Robb wrote: Think simple, elegant and reliable. I don't think the K1000 gets the respect it deserves. It has all the features one needs for photography, in a simple, clean, well laid out body. It would be nice if it had direct DOF preview, rather than having to goof the camera to get it. ...think of the Pentax 67...it's laid out almost the same, but with DOF preview and MLU... -Brother Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Advice Needed For Student
On Sunday, May 12, 2002, at 12:52 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: How about a brick of some decent film instead of another lens? I totally second this. Or a gift certificate for processing printing at a local lab, or for darkroom time at a rental place. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Advice Needed For Student
In a message dated 5/14/2002 6:47:18 AM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ...think of the Pentax 67...it's laid out almost the same, but with DOF preview and MLU... ...with an additional bonus - at the end of a long day, my 67 weighs approximately the same as a Honda Civic. Ed - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Builds those muscles, and gives students that all important stamina... g -frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/14/2002 6:47:18 AM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ...think of the Pentax 67...it's laid out almost the same, but with DOF preview and MLU... ...with an additional bonus - at the end of a long day, my 67 weighs approximately the same as a Honda Civic. Ed - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Re: Advice Needed For Student
Regarding the K1000, William Robb wrote: Think simple, elegant and reliable. I don't think the K1000 gets the respect it deserves. It has all the features one needs for photography, in a simple, clean, well laid out body. It would be nice if it had direct DOF preview, rather than having to goof the camera to get it. Ah, ~that~ would be the KM. Simple, elegant, reliable... plus self-timer and DOF preview button. Bill Peifer Rochester, NY - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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- Original Message - From: Peifer, William [OCDUS Subject: RE: Re: Advice Needed For Student Regarding the K1000, William Robb wrote: Think simple, elegant and reliable. I don't think the K1000 gets the respect it deserves. It has all the features one needs for photography, in a simple, clean, well laid out body. It would be nice if it had direct DOF preview, rather than having to goof the camera to get it. Ah, ~that~ would be the KM. Simple, elegant, reliable... plus self-timer and DOF preview button. It would have been nice if they had kept the KM in the lineup, rather than stripping it into the K1000. Unfortunately, they didn't, and KMs are a bit rare compared to K1000s William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Peifer, William [OCDUS] wrote: Regarding the K1000, William Robb wrote: Think simple, elegant and reliable. I don't think the K1000 gets the respect it deserves. It has all the features one needs for photography, in a simple, clean, well laid out body. It would be nice if it had direct DOF preview, rather than having to goof the camera to get it. Ah, ~that~ would be the KM. Simple, elegant, reliable... plus self-timer and DOF preview button. Ahhh that would be the KX too :) annsan Bill Peifer Rochester, NY - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Advice Needed For Student
In a message dated 5/13/2002 2:31:17 PM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Regarding the K1000, William Robb wrote: Think simple, elegant and reliable. I don't think the K1000 gets the respect it deserves. It has all the features one needs for photography, in a simple, clean, well laid out body. It would be nice if it had direct DOF preview, rather than having to goof the camera to get it. Ah, ~that~ would be the KM. Simple, elegant, reliable... plus self-timer and DOF preview button. Ahhh that would be the KX too :) And the K2. Ed - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Regarding the KM, I wrote: Simple, elegant, reliable... plus self-timer and DOF preview button. and Annsan duly noted: Ahhh that would be the KX too :) Right you are, Annsan! And of course the KX comes with mirror lock-up, too -- something lacking from both my K1000 and my KM. (Of course, there's that flick-of-the-shutter-button-trick) I think I recall reading a comment from George DeFockert quite a long time ago about the fact that the KX viewfinder is considerably brighter than that of the other K-series bodies. If only I could have found a bargain KX for the price I got my bargain KM for! ;-) By the way, how's the weather today in the Big Apple? It's really miserable up here. Unless one ~likes~ rain, wind, and temperatures in the mid-40s. Uggh! Maybe the sun will come out later this week? Bill Peifer Rochester, NY - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Advice Needed For Student
I guess a SMC M f/3.5 135mm would the best solution. It a very good lens, cheap (around $60 I think), and plentiful. BTW, it's a nice gift you got her. Hope she sticks to Pentax ;) ukasz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ed Dombek Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 4:27 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Advice Needed For Student Fellow PDMLers: My wife's god-daughter is going to have her sweet sixteen birthday in a couple of weeks. She seems to have discovered herself behind a camera at school. She is doing all the usual things: taking pictures for the yearbook, school newspaper, etc. Now that the school year is going to end; her mom, my wife and her grandmom don't want her to lose interest when she has to turn in the school's camera. For her birthday the ladies purchased a ZX-M, the AA battery pack and a smaller Tamrac bag. I'm contributing a SMC-A 50mm/f2 and a SMC-A 28mm/f2.8. I'm going to give her a lens pen, too. My question is this: Should I add another lens? If so, what? I'm thinking a 85-100mm but can't seem to find one at a reasonable price? Suggestions? Anyone looking to sell one? Price is the major factor here. I appreciate any and all responses. Your input will - as always - be greatly valued. Ed _ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with [EMAIL PROTECTED] by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Advice Needed For Student
I think a K body could be a bit too big for a sixteen year old girl. BTW, I'll never understand what's so special about the K1000. Lukasz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kevin Waterson Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 5:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Advice Needed For Student On Sat, 11 May 2002 19:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Ed Dombek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I appreciate any and all responses. Your input will - as always - be greatly valued. Rather than expend large volumes on a lens, why not a K1000 (with lens) to help her learn about photography. The camera she has is fine, but in my experience, the K1000 is the best tool of all. Kind regards Kevin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Advice Needed For Student
Since several list members are steering you toward a 135, in that focal length I recommend a Vivitar Close Focus: 17 ounces, 3.5 inches long, 62mm filter), will shoot 1:2 at 20 inches. Very solid, built in the 70s. Another good candidate: Sears Macro. Tom Wannenburg wrote: It is quite good for the price. My focus ring wobbles a little but it is otherwise solid. As a macro it is so - so, you need to stop down. It is quite sharp and very nice for portraits in the non - - macro range even wide open. One thing, you cannot use it on a ZX5n, or probably any of the new autofocus bodies: There is a screw that gets stuck in the AF drive hole. It works great on my Program Plus though. Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Hi Ed ... From the replies I've read everyone seems to be suggesting another lens of one sort or another. I'd suggest not getting another lens, at least right away. One suggestion that's often made when it comes to learning about photography is to learn to use one lens well, to be able to exploit it's character and focal length to the fullest capacity. The 50mm is a great starter lens, and many wonderful photos can be made using just it. I'd suggest that she stay with the 28mm/50mm combination for a while, see how she develops creatively, and let her decide what she wants as the next lens. She may decide she wants to go with a wide lens, or a longer lens than something in the 85mm - 135mm range. That said, if you feel you must get her another lens, I'd suggest something like the 100mm /2.8, and to stick with a Pentax lens. First, all the lenses would operate the same way, they'd turn in the same direction for focusing, and have similar feel to them. Let her concentrate on photography rather than the mechanics of the lenses. The Pentax 100/2.8 is also relatively small and light, which makes for a better, easier handling package on the camera she has. Some of the other lenses mentioned are bigger and heavier, and even the Pentax 135mm is starting to get a little bulky. I'd not suggest a zoom at all. Ed Wrote: For her birthday the ladies purchased a ZX-M, the AA battery pack and a smaller Tamrac bag. I'm contributing a SMC-A 50mm/f2 and a SMC-A 28mm/f2.8. I'm going to give her a lens pen, too. My question is this: Should I add another lens? If so, what? I'm thinking a 85-100mm but can't seem to find one at a reasonable price? Suggestions? Anyone looking to sell one? Price is the major factor here. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ When a man's best friend is his dog, that dog has a problem. --Edward Abbey - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Advice Needed For Student
In a message dated 5/12/2002 7:32:02 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think a K body could be a bit too big for a sixteen year old girl. BTW, I'll never understand what's so special about the K1000. I got my K1000 when I was 17. Didn't seem too big. ERNR My photographs hang on the virtual walls at http://members.aol.com/ernreed - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Advice Needed For Student
At 02:21 12-5-2002 -0400, Ed Dombek wrote: For her birthday the ladies purchased a ZX-M, the AA battery pack and a smaller Tamrac bag. I'm contributing a SMC-A 50mm/f2 and a SMC-A 28mm/f2.8. I'm going to give her a lens pen, too. My question is this: Should I add another lens? If so, what? I'm thinking a 85-100mm but can't seem to find one at a reasonable price? Suggestions? Anyone looking to sell one? Price is the major factor here. I appreciate any and all responses. Your input will - as always - be greatly valued. Ed What a brilliant birthday present. What is it with these people who say they should have bought a second hand K100 or a Spotmatic? Good grief. Party poopers. I know what I'd rather have. Sounds like an excellent starting kit. I'd like to second the suggestions for a 135mm. I only have experience with the M-series 135/3.5 but I think it would fit nicely with the camera, gives good results, nice and compact and could be got for a song. Also there is the 75-150 (again, M-series, I don't have much experience with A lenses) which might be worth considering. Sorry, not selling mine I'm afraid. Wendy --- Wendy Beard Ottawa, Canada mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] home page http://www.beard-redfern.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Begin Original Message In a message dated 5/12/2002 7:32:02 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think a K body could be a bit too big for a sixteen year old girl. BTW, I'll never understand what's so special about the K1000. Think Energizer Bunnyg Dave Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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- Original Message - From: David Brooks Subject: Re: Re: Advice Needed For Student Begin Original Message In a message dated 5/12/2002 7:32:02 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think a K body could be a bit too big for a sixteen year old girl. BTW, I'll never understand what's so special about the K1000. Think Energizer Bunnyg Think simple, elegant and reliable. I don't think the K1000 gets the respect it deserves. It has all the features one needs for photography, in a simple, clean, well laid out body. It would be nice if it had direct DOF preview, rather than having to goof the camera to get it. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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I recently started with photography... I bought a Spotmatic in excellent condition and three lenses: 28mm, 50mm and 90-190mm... I've really enjoyed shooting with all of them and learned from using all three lenses. My best shots have come from the normal and the 28mm. I think the fact of using a fully manual camera has taught me a lot about light, exposure and depth of field (I definitely would agree about the K1000). About the lens... it depends on her interests. If she likes to shoot people (I do), she'll enjoy a zoom... I've also felt the need of a macro, but it can be worked out with close-up filters. In conclusion, if you have the money, get her a good zoom lens... 130mm is a little short for my personal needs... maybe an 80-200mm would work fine. Fernando - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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On Sun, 12 May 2002 05:57:39 -0400, Shel Belinkoff wrote: One suggestion that's often made when it comes to learning about photography is to learn to use one lens well, [...] How about a brick of some decent film instead of another lens? TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Great idea! Doug Franklin wrote: On Sun, 12 May 2002 05:57:39 -0400, Shel Belinkoff wrote: One suggestion that's often made when it comes to learning about photography is to learn to use one lens well, [...] How about a brick of some decent film instead of another lens? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Sorry, didn't mean to offend anybody :) Lukasz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 3:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Advice Needed For Student In a message dated 5/12/2002 7:32:02 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think a K body could be a bit too big for a sixteen year old girl. BTW, I'll never understand what's so special about the K1000. I got my K1000 when I was 17. Didn't seem too big. ERNR My photographs hang on the virtual walls at http://members.aol.com/ernreed - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Oh, tht ... :) Lukasz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Brooks Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 4:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: Advice Needed For Student Begin Original Message In a message dated 5/12/2002 7:32:02 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think a K body could be a bit too big for a sixteen year old girl. BTW, I'll never understand what's so special about the K1000. Think Energizer Bunnyg Dave Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Advice Needed For Student
Ed - My NSHO: 1. If you get two lenses, I would go a. 50/1.4 or 1.7 b. 100/2.8 3. If you go to three lenses, I would go: a. 50/1.4 or 1.7 b1. 100/2.8 b2. 100/4.0 macro b3. 135/3.5 c. 35/3.5 or, maybe, a 28/whatever In other words, I would go longer with the second lens rather than shorter, I would consider the very capable not too expensive 100/4 macro. And only then would I go wide, and even then I wouldn't go too wide. 35 is plenty. One additional thought. Buy one really well written book. Like one of the Shaw landscape or macro books. Or a well written book on lighting for portraiture . . . Something to stimulate the imagination and to start one thinking about the techniques of getting your vision onto film. Stan At 02:21 12-5-2002 -0400, Ed Dombek wrote: For her birthday the ladies purchased a ZX-M, the AA battery pack and a smaller Tamrac bag. I'm contributing a SMC-A 50mm/f2 and a SMC-A 28mm/f2.8. I'm going to give her a lens pen, too. My question is this: Should I add another lens? If so, what? I'm thinking a 85-100mm but can't seem to find one at a reasonable price? Suggestions? Anyone looking to sell one? Price is the major factor here. I appreciate any and all responses. Your input will - as always - be greatly valued. Ed - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Now that someone mentions books... I just bought a couple and I (as a total newbie in need of expanations) would recommend both... Les Meehan's Creative Exposure Control Bryan Peterson's Understanding Exposure. I've had trouble with exposure and these two have certainly helped a lot. The first one has a really good approach to understanding the zone system... very clear and with excellent tips on callibrating the meter, the film, the developing process... it's somewhat more technical than the other, but very good. The second never mentions the zone system and the author is not a fan of handheld meters, but his ideas on getting correct exposures using the built in meters are excellent. He gives tips for all kinds of lighting situations, and excellent ideas on creative use of shutter speeds, appertures and film speeds. His explanations as clear as I could ever ask for. I'd say a good book is a great gift... always. Fernando, the newbie - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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On Sun, 12 May 2002 09:40:11 -0700, Doug Franklin wrote: How about a brick of some decent film instead of another lens? TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ As always, I am impressed with the number of responses -- and the passions they evoke! I probably should have mentioned that I had the 50mm and 28mm in my backup bag so I didn't have to spend any additional cash. Lessons learned from this thread: 1. Don't involuntarily start a zoom vs. prime debate. (Though it is fun to read from the sidelines!) 2. Buy her film! Duh. 3. She is going to visit for a week late in the summer. (Just found that out.) I'll try to gauge her interest/progression then. 4. I had considered a used body but wanted her to have something new for her birthday. The ZX-M met the requirement nicely. 5. I think it was Fernando that recommended a good book/guide. Again, something we can do later this summer. 6. Someone commented about staying with the SMC-A lenses so they focus in the same direction. I had forgotten when I had my Super Program that I hardly used a non-Pentax lens that I had because it focused backwards. Good tip. 7. Another comment was made regarding letting her decide what, if any, next lens she'd like. Would she like a super wide-angle, macro, etc. I like that approach. This way she can follow her own path of discovery. 8. I was kind of surprised that nobody mentioned a flash. The one thing I think the ZX-M lacks is TTL flash. I almost went with a Super Program for this reason. Thank you one and all! Ed _ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with [EMAIL PROTECTED] by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Advice Needed For Student
On Sat, 11 May 2002 19:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Ed Dombek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I appreciate any and all responses. Your input will - as always - be greatly valued. Rather than expend large volumes on a lens, why not a K1000 (with lens) to help her learn about photography. The camera she has is fine, but in my experience, the K1000 is the best tool of all. Kind regards Kevin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kevin Waterson Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 11:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Advice Needed For Student On Sat, 11 May 2002 19:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Ed Dombek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I appreciate any and all responses. Your input will - as always - be greatly valued. You should have bought a fully working spotmatic, the lenses are much cheaper for it. JCO - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
