Re: Apology from Ricoh Imagining

[Ann Sanfedele]

I got something from Ricoh but did't open it just sent it to the trash..
I don't remember the subject line - don't think it said Apology from...

ann

On 10/24/2014 23:05, Mark C wrote:

I got it as well and say good on Ricoh for owning up to minor marketing
goof.

Mark

On 10/24/2014 10:39 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Did anyone else receive this via email tonight?

http://view.s6.exacttarget.com/?j=fec91561007e&m=fe9212737561007873&ls=fe22157873660178701c75&l=fefb117270640c&s=fe5411620d7f7013&jb=ffcf14&ju=fe5f1571776207797d13&r=0


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Re: Apology from Ricoh Imagining

[Mark C]

I got it as well and say good on Ricoh for owning up to minor marketing 
goof.


Mark

On 10/24/2014 10:39 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Did anyone else receive this via email tonight?

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Re: Apology from Ricoh Imagining

[Christine Aguila]

I got one. Cheers, Christine 

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 24, 2014, at 9:39 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
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> Did anyone else receive this via email tonight?
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Re: Apology from Ricoh Imagining

[Paul Stenquist]

Got it.

Paul via phone

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Re: Apology from Ricoh Imagining

[Jeffery Johnson]

Yes I received it tonight as well.
Jeffery Johnson
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On 10/24/2014 9:39 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

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Re: Apology

[Cotty]

On 2/1/12, Anthony Farr, discombobulated, unleashed:

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoPFkjF-Bdo

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Re: Apology

[Anthony Farr]

On 1 January 2012 10:00, Larry Colen  wrote:
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>
> Cotty, I always thought of you as more of a rake than a hoe.
>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoPFkjF-Bdo

regards, Anthony

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RE: Apology

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Larry Colen
> >
> >> I would never dream of referring to Marlene as either the missus or
> the
> >> Mrs. I simply call her my old lady.
> >
> > Yeah but you don't mind calling me your bitch.
> 
> Cotty, I always thought of you as more of a rake than a hoe.
> 

any tool will do when he's gardening uphill...

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Re: Apology

[Mark Roberts]

Larry Colen wrote:

>
>On Dec 31, 2011, at 6:40 AM, frank theriault wrote:
>
>> I was just looking over some older posts and I noticed my PESO, At the
>> Outlet Mall.  I read the thread and I realize that, in my misguided
>> attempt to be funny I actually insulted my common law wife, Judy.
>
>Frank, anybody that took your remarks in any way other than how you meant them 
>seriously needs to have their sense of humor replaced.

Seconded!
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Re: Apology

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On Dec 31, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Cotty wrote:

> 
> I would never dream of referring to Marlene as either the missus or the
> Mrs. I simply call her my old lady.
 
 Yeah but you don't mind calling me your bitch.
>>> 
>>> I thought that was just between us.
> 
> On 31/12/11, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Now both of you boys owe me a monitor cleaning.
> 
> I suppose that'll be me then **won't it Paul** ...

Get busy bitch.
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Re: Apology

[Cotty]

On 31/12/11, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>>> I would never dream of referring to Marlene as either the missus or the
>>> Mrs. I simply call her my old lady.
>>
>> Yeah but you don't mind calling me your bitch.
>
>Cotty, I always thought of you as more of a rake than a hoe.

Cheers mate - another screen that needs a clean.

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Re: Apology

[Larry Colen]

On Dec 31, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Cotty wrote:

> On 31/12/11, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I would never dream of referring to Marlene as either the missus or the
>> Mrs. I simply call her my old lady.
> 
> Yeah but you don't mind calling me your bitch.

Cotty, I always thought of you as more of a rake than a hoe.


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Re: Apology

[Cotty]

 I would never dream of referring to Marlene as either the missus or the
 Mrs. I simply call her my old lady.
>>>
>>> Yeah but you don't mind calling me your bitch.
>>
>> I thought that was just between us.

On 31/12/11, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Now both of you boys owe me a monitor cleaning.

I suppose that'll be me then **won't it Paul** ...


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Re: Apology

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

>>> I would never dream of referring to Marlene as either the missus or the
>>> Mrs. I simply call her my old lady.
>>
>> Yeah but you don't mind calling me your bitch.
>
> I thought that was just between us.

Now both of you boys owe me a monitor cleaning.
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Re: Apology

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On Dec 31, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Cotty wrote:

> On 31/12/11, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I would never dream of referring to Marlene as either the missus or the
>> Mrs. I simply call her my old lady.
> 
> Yeah but you don't mind calling me your bitch.

I thought that was just between us.
> 
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Re: Apology

[Cotty]

On 31/12/11, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I would never dream of referring to Marlene as either the missus or the
>Mrs. I simply call her my old lady.

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Re: Apology

[Ann Sanfedele]

I don't find "the Missus" patronizing - I think it is rather nice - 
especially if you aren't actually technically married in the eyes of the 
law.


although, in the context I think Frank refers to I would have preferred
'My sweetie" or "my better half"

ann

On 12/31/2011 15:40, Paul Stenquist wrote:


On Dec 31, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Cotty wrote:


On 31/12/11, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:


Calling her "the missus" is patronizing and demeaning.


I totally agree mate.

I call mine The Mrs.


I would never dream of referring to Marlene as either the missus or the Mrs. I 
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Re: Apology

[Paul Stenquist]

On Dec 31, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Cotty wrote:

> On 31/12/11, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Calling her "the missus" is patronizing and demeaning.
> 
> I totally agree mate.
> 
> I call mine The Mrs.

I would never dream of referring to Marlene as either the missus or the Mrs. I 
simply call her my old lady.

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Re: Apology

[Larry Colen]

On Dec 31, 2011, at 6:40 AM, frank theriault wrote:

> I was just looking over some older posts and I noticed my PESO, At the
> Outlet Mall.  I read the thread and I realize that, in my misguided
> attempt to be funny I actually insulted my common law wife, Judy.

Frank, anybody that took your remarks in any way other than how you meant them 
seriously needs to have their sense of humor replaced.

> 
> Calling her "the missus" is patronizing and demeaning.  I don't think
> of her that way and it was wrong of me to refer to her that fashion.

Even in prose, that's known as poetic license.

> 
> Despite what I said in the thread, I quite enjoyed my day.  Although
> outlet malls are scary places to be, we went at my behest not hers,
> and I did indeed encourage to buy the bag I mentioned, not because I
> was trying to appease or manipulate her, but because I really liked it
> and knew she did too.
> 
> Although I was tired at the time I took the photo, the day was not one
> of boredom; rather, I had fun despite the location. We always have fun
> when we're with each other, no matter where we are.
> 
> I apologize publically to Judy and this list for saying those things
> about her and our day.

It seems to be that you're Jewish enough to complain about things that you 
really don't mind, but Catholic enough to feel guilty about it.


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Re: Apology

[Cotty]

On 31/12/11, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Calling her "the missus" is patronizing and demeaning.

I totally agree mate.

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Re: Apology

[Jack Davis]

Considerate, respectful tribute to your love. Beautifully said, Frank.
I'd wager she's proud of you too.

Jack



From: frank theriault 
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Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 6:40 AM
Subject: Apology

I was just looking over some older posts and I noticed my PESO, At the
Outlet Mall.  I read the thread and I realize that, in my misguided
attempt to be funny I actually insulted my common law wife, Judy.

Calling her "the missus" is patronizing and demeaning.  I don't think
of her that way and it was wrong of me to refer to her that fashion.

Despite what I said in the thread, I quite enjoyed my day.  Although
outlet malls are scary places to be, we went at my behest not hers,
and I did indeed encourage to buy the bag I mentioned, not because I
was trying to appease or manipulate her, but because I really liked it
and knew she did too.

Although I was tired at the time I took the photo, the day was not one
of boredom; rather, I had fun despite the location. We always have fun
when we're with each other, no matter where we are.

I apologize publically to Judy and this list for saying those things
about her and our day.

cheers,
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Re: Apology and review (of Sandisk photoviewer).

[Herb Chong]

what was your procedure for getting accurate color?
Herb
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From: "Jostein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Apology and review (of Sandisk photoviewer).


In a local photo club we have done projections of both 35mm slides 
(leica projector) and digital (Epson LCD) on the same canvas. What 
strikes me as odd is that the perceived quality is higher for a 
1024x768 pixel digital image than for a slide with much higher 
resolution. It's simply a lot more pleasing to look at.

Granted, it was a PITA to get the colour adjustments right, but once 
worked out the viewing experience was really stunning.

Re: Apology and review (of Sandisk photoviewer).

[Kenneth Waller]

I don't understand what you mean by - "a slide with much higher resolution".

Kenneth Waller

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Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Apology and review (of Sandisk photoviewer).


> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > I was using full size images, fresh from the camera.  Smaller ones 
> > would speed up loading for sure.  Wonder how the "quality" fares 
> > when you do that?
> >
> > It's no alternative for a slide projector...
> 
> 
> Just as an aside;
> In a local photo club we have done projections of both 35mm slides 
> (leica projector) and digital (Epson LCD) on the same canvas. What 
> strikes me as odd is that the perceived quality is higher for a 
> 1024x768 pixel digital image than for a slide with much higher 
> resolution. It's simply a lot more pleasing to look at.
> 
> Granted, it was a PITA to get the colour adjustments right, but once 
> worked out the viewing experience was really stunning.
> 
> Jostein 
> 

Re: Apology and review (of Sandisk photoviewer).

[Jostein]

- Original Message - 
From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I was using full size images, fresh from the camera.  Smaller ones 
would speed up loading for sure.  Wonder how the "quality" fares 
when you do that?

It's no alternative for a slide projector...

Just as an aside;
In a local photo club we have done projections of both 35mm slides 
(leica projector) and digital (Epson LCD) on the same canvas. What 
strikes me as odd is that the perceived quality is higher for a 
1024x768 pixel digital image than for a slide with much higher 
resolution. It's simply a lot more pleasing to look at.

Granted, it was a PITA to get the colour adjustments right, but once 
worked out the viewing experience was really stunning.

Jostein 

Re: Apology and review (of Sandisk photoviewer).

[mike wilson]

Stan Halpin wrote:
I did a slide show for family at Christmas time via the Sandisk viewer. 
Not "straight from the camera"; rather, I assembled a set of images on 
my computer, downloaded to a CF card and went from there.

Some observations:
1. The viewer has a slow processor. Smaller images process faster. Next 
time I will downsize the images I use in such a show.
2. My computer stored the files in Name order on the CF card. I could 
have forced a Date order but that would have been a mishmash because the 
"date" on the files is when they are created on the card, the original 
creation date isn't inherited. In either case, you have a linear show, 
no easy capability to sort like images together.
3. I tried to solve the linearity problem by creating a series of 
folders. I hoped that the viewer would progress folder-by-folder (with 
linearity within folders). Instead it pulled the top image from each 
folder in succession, then the second image from each folder, etc.

Conclusion: if you want to use the Sandisk as an alternative for a slide 
projector, and you are used to sorting your slides into a story line 
which is not the same as the order of image capture and you want to 
control the duration of viewing for an individual image from very brief 
to longer times, then:
- reduce the file sizes
- rename all of the images using a sequence number reflecting the 
desired ordering of images.
Mine had an intersting foible:  if you were looking at a preview page of 
images, there was one large image in the top left corner, surrounded by 
about 8 smaller images on the right and bottom sides.  A 
poorly-highlighted box showed which of the images was being "viewed" at 
larger size.  Once you got to the last of the images, another screenfull 
(screenful? screen full?) loaded.  Which took ages.  Most irritating.

I was using full size images, fresh from the camera.  Smaller ones would 
speed up loading for sure.  Wonder how the "quality" fares when you do that?

It's no alternative for a slide projector...
mike

Re: Apology and review (of Sandisk photoviewer).

[Stan Halpin]

I did a slide show for family at Christmas time via the Sandisk viewer. 
Not "straight from the camera"; rather, I assembled a set of images on 
my computer, downloaded to a CF card and went from there.

Some observations:
1. The viewer has a slow processor. Smaller images process faster. Next 
time I will downsize the images I use in such a show.
2. My computer stored the files in Name order on the CF card. I could 
have forced a Date order but that would have been a mishmash because 
the "date" on the files is when they are created on the card, the 
original creation date isn't inherited. In either case, you have a 
linear show, no easy capability to sort like images together.
3. I tried to solve the linearity problem by creating a series of 
folders. I hoped that the viewer would progress folder-by-folder (with 
linearity within folders). Instead it pulled the top image from each 
folder in succession, then the second image from each folder, etc.

Conclusion: if you want to use the Sandisk as an alternative for a 
slide projector, and you are used to sorting your slides into a story 
line which is not the same as the order of image capture and you want 
to control the duration of viewing for an individual image from very 
brief to longer times, then:
- reduce the file sizes
- rename all of the images using a sequence number reflecting the 
desired ordering of images.

Note that I have not commented on image quality.  Those interested in 
quality projection are encouraged to explore something called "film". 
Certain films are suited for projection via a process that involves 
shining a light through the film onto a piece of stretched material 
called a "screen." Check the oldies-but-goodies section of your local 
store.

Stan
On Jan 29, 2005, at 10:52 AM, mike wilson wrote:
Hi,
It appears I was entirely incorrect about Godfrey.  His opinions, 
incorrect as they may be [ 8-) ], are sincerely held.  I apologise for 
calling you a troll, as you are patently not.  Welcome to the 
wonderful world of PDML!

I have been using the Sandisk photoviewer this afternoon.  It takes 
all sorts of cards and sends a picture to your TV.  Switchable between 
PAL and Never The Same Colour.  Very limited set of features, slow to 
upload and interesting... colour rendition.  If you have a large 
family who are happy to sit through your work as presented on a TV 
screen, it may be worth it but I heartily do not recommend it.

mike

Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology for............)

[Treena]

My cats do. They particularly enjoy a nice, crunchy grass spider. Now if I
could just teach them to hunt the d$#@ tarantulas ...

- Original Message - 
From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology
for)


> In my experience cats don't actually eat bugs,  just play with them and
> leave parts all over the floor.
> I think that would be bad in the computer.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >To eat the bugs, of course...
> >
> >DagT
> >
> >
> >
> >>Fra: "cbwaters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> >>why would you put a cat in your computer?
> >>
> >>- Original Message - 
> >>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:32 AM
> >>Subject: Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- 
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> >>for)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>No, I like Cats, especially like these:
> >>>http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=121734
> >>>
> >>>Warning:  All cats in this photo has been manipulated in a computer...
:-)
> >>>
> >>>DagT
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Fra: "Daniel J. Matyola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>
> >>>>I'll agree with your "consensus rules," graywolf, except the one about
> >>>>cat pictures.  Let's have not more pictures of cats, only nice dog
> >>>>pictures!!!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: Re (Was Re: Comment and Question (WAS: RE: Apology for............))

[graywolf]

Humm? Seems pretty clear to me.
re (rê) preposition
In reference to; in the case of; concerning.
 [Latin rê, ablative of rês, thing.]
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition 
copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from 
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Keith Whaley wrote:

Stan Halpin wrote:
Bob, On this side of the pond, using what is oxymoronically known as 
American English, there is a businesspersons' phrase which is used as 
follows: "Dear Mr. Jones: In re: your letter of the 5th,..." with the 
apparent presumption being that 're' is short for 'reference'. I have 
never seen/heard 'in re to...' which you might expect if 're' were 
taken to be short for 'reply'.

Could it be that 're:' is in fact proper usage, that it is a shorthand 
reference  to 'reference'?

Stan

Hi Stan,
"Re" is a preposition, just as "to," "from" and "with" are.
Which is to say, it's a stand-alone word, not an abbreviation.
It means "concerning," "in reference to" or "in the case of."
It comes from (is an ablative of) the Latin word "res" which means "thing."
With regard to usage, would you put a colon after "concerning?" I 
wouldn't, but that does seem to be how common usage has presented it...
Since it is a preposition, I'd use it bare, as it was originally 
intended:  "Re your letter of the 5th..." No colon.

FWIW...  keith whaley

On Jul 21, 2004, at 2:10 AM, Bob W wrote:
Hi,
Nice post Lasse. AW means "AntWort" in German, same as RE: .


well, not quite. 're' is Latin for 'about' and is a complete word in
its own right. It is not short for 'reply', as some people think.
Placing 're' in the subject line for replies is an unfortunate
grammatical error that has been cast in digital concrete.

--
Cheers,
 Bob



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Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology for............)

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Like I've always said, cats are BAD.  Dogs are good!
Peter J. Alling wrote:
In my experience cats don't actually eat bugs,  just play with them 
and leave parts all over the floor.
I think that would be bad in the computer.

Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology for............)

[DagT]

As I said, my cats are manipulated, they eat them :-)
DagT
På 22. jul. 2004 kl. 17.09 skrev Peter J. Alling:
In my experience cats don't actually eat bugs,  just play with them 
and leave parts all over the floor.
I think that would be bad in the computer.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To eat the bugs, of course...
DagT

Fra: "cbwaters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
why would you put a cat in your computer?
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- 
Apology
for)


No, I like Cats, especially like these:
http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=121734
Warning:  All cats in this photo has been manipulated in a 
computer... :-)

DagT

Fra: "Daniel J. Matyola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I'll agree with your "consensus rules," graywolf, except the one 
about
cat pictures.  Let's have not more pictures of cats, only nice dog
pictures!!!



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Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology for............)

[Peter J. Alling]

In my experience cats don't actually eat bugs,  just play with them and 
leave parts all over the floor.
I think that would be bad in the computer.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To eat the bugs, of course...
DagT
 

Fra: "cbwaters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
why would you put a cat in your computer?
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology
for)

   

No, I like Cats, especially like these:
http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=121734
Warning:  All cats in this photo has been manipulated in a computer... :-)
DagT
 

Fra: "Daniel J. Matyola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I'll agree with your "consensus rules," graywolf, except the one about
cat pictures.  Let's have not more pictures of cats, only nice dog
pictures!!!
   

 

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Re: Re (Was Re: Comment and Question (WAS: RE: Apology for............))

[frank theriault]

--- Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi,

> 'in re' is Latin meaning 'in the matter of'. It is a
> rather fusty,
> legalistic term - it cam into general use from the
> law. I personally
> would discourage it. It serves no useful purpose and
> just sounds archaic
> and bureaucratic, if not pompous.
> 

Bob,

Yes, indeed.  I had forgotten all about that, but your
little rambling must have fired off a few dusty,
little used lately, neurons in my brain.

Reference cases (that would be, IIRC, cases that
aren't necessarily adversarial, but ask the court a
question on a point of law), are prefaced in the court
reports with in re.  

So, rather than a case being named "Cottrell vs.
Metamoros", a reference case may be called "In re:
Halpin".

Ah, memories...

cheers,
frank 

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Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology for............)

[dagt]

To eat the bugs, of course...

DagT

> Fra: "cbwaters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> why would you put a cat in your computer?
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:32 AM
> Subject: Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology
> for)
> 
> 
> > No, I like Cats, especially like these:
> > http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=121734
> >
> > Warning:  All cats in this photo has been manipulated in a computer... :-)
> >
> > DagT
> >
> > > Fra: "Daniel J. Matyola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > I'll agree with your "consensus rules," graywolf, except the one about
> > > cat pictures.  Let's have not more pictures of cats, only nice dog
> > > pictures!!!
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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RE: Re (Was Re: Comment and Question (WAS: RE: Apology for............))

[Tanya Mayer Photography]

hmmm, i always thought that "In re:" meant "in regards to..."

which i guess equates to the same meaning as "in reference to..."

tan.

-Original Message-
From: Stan Halpin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2004 3:57 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Re (Was Re: Comment and Question (WAS: RE: Apology
for))


Bob, On this side of the pond, using what is oxymoronically known as 
American English, there is a businesspersons' phrase which is used as 
follows: "Dear Mr. Jones: In re: your letter of the 5th,..." with the 
apparent presumption being that 're' is short for 'reference'. I have 
never seen/heard 'in re to...' which you might expect if 're' were 
taken to be short for 'reply'.

Could it be that 're:' is in fact proper usage, that it is a shorthand 
reference  to 'reference'?

Stan

On Jul 21, 2004, at 2:10 AM, Bob W wrote:

> Hi,
>
>> Nice post Lasse. AW means "AntWort" in German, same as RE: .
>
> 
>
> well, not quite. 're' is Latin for 'about' and is a complete word in
> its own right. It is not short for 'reply', as some people think.
>
> Placing 're' in the subject line for replies is an unfortunate
> grammatical error that has been cast in digital concrete.
>
> 
>
> -- 
> Cheers,
>  Bob
>

Re: Re (Was Re: Comment and Question (WAS: RE: Apology for............))

[Bob W]

Hi,

Thursday, July 22, 2004, 6:57:07 AM, Stan wrote:

> Bob, On this side of the pond, using what is oxymoronically known as
> American English, there is a businesspersons' phrase which is used as
> follows: "Dear Mr. Jones: In re: your letter of the 5th,..." with the
> apparent presumption being that 're' is short for 'reference'. I have
> never seen/heard 'in re to...' which you might expect if 're' were 
> taken to be short for 'reply'.

> Could it be that 're:' is in fact proper usage, that it is a shorthand
> reference  to 'reference'?

'in re' is Latin meaning 'in the matter of'. It is a rather fusty,
legalistic term - it cam into general use from the law. I personally
would discourage it. It serves no useful purpose and just sounds archaic
and bureaucratic, if not pompous.

'Businesspersons' are not necessarily our best guide to good style in
writing .

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob

Re: Re (Was Re: Comment and Question (WAS: RE: Apology for............))

[Stan Halpin]

Bob, On this side of the pond, using what is oxymoronically known as 
American English, there is a businesspersons' phrase which is used as 
follows: "Dear Mr. Jones: In re: your letter of the 5th,..." with the 
apparent presumption being that 're' is short for 'reference'. I have 
never seen/heard 'in re to...' which you might expect if 're' were 
taken to be short for 'reply'.

Could it be that 're:' is in fact proper usage, that it is a shorthand 
reference  to 'reference'?

Stan
On Jul 21, 2004, at 2:10 AM, Bob W wrote:
Hi,
Nice post Lasse. AW means "AntWort" in German, same as RE: .

well, not quite. 're' is Latin for 'about' and is a complete word in
its own right. It is not short for 'reply', as some people think.
Placing 're' in the subject line for replies is an unfortunate
grammatical error that has been cast in digital concrete.

--
Cheers,
 Bob

Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology for............)

[cbwaters]

why would you put a cat in your computer?

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology
for)


> No, I like Cats, especially like these:
> http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=121734
>
> Warning:  All cats in this photo has been manipulated in a computer... :-)
>
> DagT
>
> > Fra: "Daniel J. Matyola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > I'll agree with your "consensus rules," graywolf, except the one about
> > cat pictures.  Let's have not more pictures of cats, only nice dog
> > pictures!!!
> >
>
>
>


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Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology for............)

[Cotty]

>>This is a dog:
>>
>>
>>
>>Really. She barks and rolls over on her back and everything.

On 21/7/04, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, offered:

>Unacceptable!
>

You see an unacceptable cat, I see a dog ;-)


Cheers,
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Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology for............)

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Unacceptable!
Cotty wrote:
On 21/7/04, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, offered:
 

I'll agree with your "consensus rules," graywolf, except the one about 
cat pictures.  Let's have not more pictures of cats, only nice dog 
pictures!!!
   

This is a dog:

Really. She barks and rolls over on her back and everything.
 

Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology for............)

[Cotty]

On 21/7/04, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, offered:

>I'll agree with your "consensus rules," graywolf, except the one about 
>cat pictures.  Let's have not more pictures of cats, only nice dog 
>pictures!!!

This is a dog:



Really. She barks and rolls over on her back and everything.



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RE: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology for............)

[Tanya Mayer Photography]

or Aussie! And don't forget how to spell COLOUR either, ok?!? hehe.

t.

-Original Message-
From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2004 1:46 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE--
Apology for)


Well, you could do a "British" tranlation.

--

Chris Stoddart wrote:

>>Don Sanderson wrote:
>>
>>One note the FAQ might have is: "Remember that the people here are
>>from all over the world.
>>Customs, languages, beliefs, religions, values and most of all their
>>SENSE OF HUMOR may vary!"
> 
> 
> And some of us might spell it 'HUMOUR' :-)
> 
> Chris (sorry, couldn't resist).
> 
> 

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Re: Apology for............

[John Whittingham]

Like I said I apologise for the mistake, just trying to help one particular 
person.

John

John Whittingham

Technician

-- Original Message ---
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:11:49 -0600
Subject: Re: Apology for

> - Original Message - 
> From: "John Whittingham"
> Subject: Re: Apology for
> 
> > > No, share the ones that you *want* to bid on, it's much more fun.
> >
> > You're being cheeky now.
> >
> 
> No, just being fair. So you find something that you don't want (you
> may alreayd have a couple), that isn't listed correctly, and hence
> isn't getting much visibility.
> Someone else onlist has made the same discovery, and hopes to maybe
> find a deal.
> Then, some asshole broadcasts that it is there, and all of a sudden
> you have a few dozen interested parties trying to outbid each other.
> So much for the potential deal, especially if the item is fairly
> desirable.
> Tell you what John, why don't you just tell us your eBay ID, and then
> we can watch for items that you are bidding on and broadcast that
> information to the list.
> You might not get any more deals out of eBay, but that is the game
> you are playing with other people when you put links to eBay auctions
> on list.
> 
> William Robb
--- End of Original Message ---

Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology for............)

[graywolf]

Now that is a tale (err... tail).
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, I like Cats, especially like these:
http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=121734
Warning:  All cats in this photo has been manipulated in a computer... :-)
DagT

Fra: "Daniel J. Matyola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I'll agree with your "consensus rules," graywolf, except the one about 
cat pictures.  Let's have not more pictures of cats, only nice dog 
pictures!!!



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Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology for............)

[graywolf]

Well, you could do a "British" tranlation.
--
Chris Stoddart wrote:
Don Sanderson wrote:
One note the FAQ might have is: "Remember that the people here are
from all over the world.
Customs, languages, beliefs, religions, values and most of all their
SENSE OF HUMOR may vary!"

And some of us might spell it 'HUMOUR' :-)
Chris (sorry, couldn't resist).

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http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html

Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology for............)

[graywolf]

OK, how about "no photos of pets, kids, flowers, or sunsets". Adelheid needed a 
vacation anyway.

No-- just joking, I am not going to put that in the FAQ.
Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
I'll agree with your "consensus rules," graywolf, except the one about 
cat pictures.  Let's have not more pictures of cats, only nice dog 
pictures!!!

graywolf wrote:
Not rules, Don, just general consensus.
For Sale (and Want To Buy): Pentax stuff anytime. Although many only 
want to have to look on Fridays, and prefer "For Sale Fridays". Most 
of us would prefer that you limit any non-Pentax stuff to Fridays as 
well.

Ebay: It is all right to mention things "YOU" have up for sale. Do not 
mention other stuff until it is over. An exception is obviously funny 
and BS stuff like the 11 million dollar Canon 1Ds digitals, or 
non-photographic stuff like the wedding dress that was the basis of a 
long thread here a while back/

Politics/Religion: Since some of us, me up toward the top of the list, 
can not seem to remain civil in these kinds of discussions we very 
much prefer not to have threads about them on the list. This is 
violated often, until someone goes off the deep end and then most of 
us shut up.

Guns/Cat Photos: A former popular list participant swore he would 
leave the list if anyone mentioned them. He left anyway which shows 
that you might as will ignore such stuff. However, many consider 
Guns/Abortion/Etc as part of Politics and Religion, so generally they 
should be avoided. Although Cat Photos are now seemingly OK again.

Flames/Trolls: People who can not keep from continually attacking 
others, or who insist on trying to incite folks to anger should be 
totally ignored, these are the only folks I filter out of my mail 
stream, and I would suggest everyone else do the same. For they will, 
if they have their way, destroy the nicest mailing list on the 
Internet. Note: losing your cool now and then is not the same thing at 
all, or I would have to killfile my own posts (embarrassed grin).

PAW-- Photo A Week (also PESO-- Photo Every So Often), a thing 
introduced to the list a while back by Shel Belinkof where you can put 
up a photo you want commented on and folks will tell you how you 
should have done it (grin).

WOW-- Work Over a Week, similar to the above where you post a photo 
somewhere that folks can download it, and they run it through Photo 
Shop or whatever to show you how they would have done it. Seems like a 
good learning tool, but I have not seen any lately.

Those are the only ones I can think of that have mass general 
agreement, though common courtesy is always appreciated here. Some 
folks do not like the off topic stuff, but we who engage in it are 
usually the old timers here, and are not going to pay much attention 
to them (grin).

99.9% of the people on this list are great wonderful terrific (add 16 
more superlatives of your choice here) people who anyone would be glad 
to have as friends. I especially know this because many have gone out 
of their way to help me from time to time.

We talk about doing this about twice a year, but it never seems to go 
very far. So, if anyone has additions, changes, or corrections let me 
know and I will edit this and put it up somewhere it can be accessed 
at anytime.



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Re: Apology for............

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Kostas Kavoussanakis"
Subject: Re: Apology for


> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, William Robb wrote:
>
> > Tell you what John, why don't you just tell us your eBay ID, and
then
> > we can watch for items that you are bidding on and broadcast that
> > information to the list.
>
> Easy on John please William, he was the one who apologised. It's
> someone else who claims he will keep going.

Sorry John.

William Robb

Re: Apology for............

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, William Robb wrote:

> Tell you what John, why don't you just tell us your eBay ID, and then
> we can watch for items that you are bidding on and broadcast that
> information to the list.

Easy on John please William, he was the one who apologised. It's
someone else who claims he will keep going.

Kostas

Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology for............)

[dagt]

No, I like Cats, especially like these:
http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=121734

Warning:  All cats in this photo has been manipulated in a computer... :-)

DagT

> Fra: "Daniel J. Matyola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> I'll agree with your "consensus rules," graywolf, except the one about 
> cat pictures.  Let's have not more pictures of cats, only nice dog 
> pictures!!!
> 

Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology for............)

[Don Sanderson]

Hey now.
How would you like to have to work with this model?
The cat's a lot easier!

http://www.donsauction.com/PDML/Beau_CroppedS.jpg

Don


-Original message-
From: "Daniel J. Matyola" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:21:21 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology
 for)

> I'll agree with your "consensus rules," graywolf, except the one about 
> cat pictures.  Let's have not more pictures of cats, only nice dog 
> pictures!!!

Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology for............)

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I'll agree with your "consensus rules," graywolf, except the one about 
cat pictures.  Let's have not more pictures of cats, only nice dog 
pictures!!!

graywolf wrote:
Not rules, Don, just general consensus.
For Sale (and Want To Buy): Pentax stuff anytime. Although many only 
want to have to look on Fridays, and prefer "For Sale Fridays". Most 
of us would prefer that you limit any non-Pentax stuff to Fridays as 
well.

Ebay: It is all right to mention things "YOU" have up for sale. Do not 
mention other stuff until it is over. An exception is obviously funny 
and BS stuff like the 11 million dollar Canon 1Ds digitals, or 
non-photographic stuff like the wedding dress that was the basis of a 
long thread here a while back/

Politics/Religion: Since some of us, me up toward the top of the list, 
can not seem to remain civil in these kinds of discussions we very 
much prefer not to have threads about them on the list. This is 
violated often, until someone goes off the deep end and then most of 
us shut up.

Guns/Cat Photos: A former popular list participant swore he would 
leave the list if anyone mentioned them. He left anyway which shows 
that you might as will ignore such stuff. However, many consider 
Guns/Abortion/Etc as part of Politics and Religion, so generally they 
should be avoided. Although Cat Photos are now seemingly OK again.

Flames/Trolls: People who can not keep from continually attacking 
others, or who insist on trying to incite folks to anger should be 
totally ignored, these are the only folks I filter out of my mail 
stream, and I would suggest everyone else do the same. For they will, 
if they have their way, destroy the nicest mailing list on the 
Internet. Note: losing your cool now and then is not the same thing at 
all, or I would have to killfile my own posts (embarrassed grin).

PAW-- Photo A Week (also PESO-- Photo Every So Often), a thing 
introduced to the list a while back by Shel Belinkof where you can put 
up a photo you want commented on and folks will tell you how you 
should have done it (grin).

WOW-- Work Over a Week, similar to the above where you post a photo 
somewhere that folks can download it, and they run it through Photo 
Shop or whatever to show you how they would have done it. Seems like a 
good learning tool, but I have not seen any lately.

Those are the only ones I can think of that have mass general 
agreement, though common courtesy is always appreciated here. Some 
folks do not like the off topic stuff, but we who engage in it are 
usually the old timers here, and are not going to pay much attention 
to them (grin).

99.9% of the people on this list are great wonderful terrific (add 16 
more superlatives of your choice here) people who anyone would be glad 
to have as friends. I especially know this because many have gone out 
of their way to help me from time to time.

We talk about doing this about twice a year, but it never seems to go 
very far. So, if anyone has additions, changes, or corrections let me 
know and I will edit this and put it up somewhere it can be accessed 
at anytime.

Re: Comment and Question (WAS: RE: Apology for............)

[Norm Baugher]

Bob, I meant the same figuratively not literally.
Norm
Bob W wrote:
Hi,
 

Nice post Lasse. AW means "AntWort" in German, same as RE: .
   


well, not quite. 're' is Latin for 'about' and is a complete word in
its own right. It is not short for 'reply', as some people think.
Placing 're' in the subject line for replies is an unfortunate
grammatical error that has been cast in digital concrete.

 

Re: Comment and Question (WAS: RE: Apology for............)

[Cotty]

On 20/7/04, Don Sanderson, discombobulated, offered:

>Now the question:
>Nowhere can I find any guidelines covering this (eBay Listings), or for FS
>items, or what's allowed for OT subjects, or for that matter what "AW"
>stands for!

Yeah, like Doug, get with it man :-)




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Apology for............

[Cotty]

On 20/7/04, Doug Franklin, discombobulated, offered:

>> If I run across a "good deal" on eBay that I can't use, I'll share
>> it with the group because I know someone out there can use it.
>
>Please don't.  The list has discussed this at least annually since I
>came on board in 1998.  Each time the majority opinion or consensus was
>not to post ebay auctions unless they're your own auction or they're
>closed auctions.  Please be considerate of the rest of the folks on the
>list.
>
>TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Here here!

This coming from someone who used to hold the opposite view.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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RE: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology for............)

[Don Sanderson]

Thanks guys, I think this'll help.
So far I've felt pretty welcome, only been snapped at a couple of times. (My
ex would be amazed!)
The times I got rebuked it was because I engaged my mouth (OK, Send button)
before my brain.
I'm really trying to get back into the craft and it's been quite a while,
need all the help I can get.
I figure staying on peoples good side is better for everybody.

One note the FAQ might have is: "Remember that the people here are from all
over the world.
Customs, languages, beliefs, religions, values and most of all their SENSE
OF HUMOR may vary!"

In the short time I've been here I've decided:
1.) To stay with film for a while.
2.) Worry more about the photo than how "fancy" the gear is.
3.) I need to go shoot some B&W again.
4.) In direct contradiction to #2, I need a better scanner!
5.) DOF is in the eye of the beholder.

The best saying I've picked up: "It's all about the image."

And I'm glad cat pics are OK again, my Bassett Hound is tired of having his
picture taken.
He's figured out that licking the lens puts a quick stop to it.
Biting the photographer works too!

Thanks All
Don




> -Original Message-
> From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 9:07 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology
> for)
>
>
> Not rules, Don, just general consensus.
>
> For Sale (and Want To Buy): Pentax stuff anytime. Although many
> only want to
> have to look on Fridays, and prefer "For Sale Fridays". Most of
> us would prefer
> that you limit any non-Pentax stuff to Fridays as well.
>
> Ebay: It is all right to mention things "YOU" have up for sale.
> Do not mention
> other stuff until it is over. An exception is obviously funny and
> BS stuff like
> the 11 million dollar Canon 1Ds digitals, or non-photographic
> stuff like the
> wedding dress that was the basis of a long thread here a while back/
>
> Politics/Religion: Since some of us, me up toward the top of the
> list, can not
> seem to remain civil in these kinds of discussions we very much
> prefer not to
> have threads about them on the list. This is violated often,
> until someone goes
> off the deep end and then most of us shut up.
>
> Guns/Cat Photos: A former popular list participant swore he would
> leave the list
> if anyone mentioned them. He left anyway which shows that you
> might as will
> ignore such stuff. However, many consider Guns/Abortion/Etc as
> part of Politics
> and Religion, so generally they should be avoided. Although Cat
> Photos are now
> seemingly OK again.
>
> Flames/Trolls: People who can not keep from continually attacking
> others, or who
> insist on trying to incite folks to anger should be totally
> ignored, these are
> the only folks I filter out of my mail stream, and I would
> suggest everyone else
> do the same. For they will, if they have their way, destroy the
> nicest mailing
> list on the Internet. Note: losing your cool now and then is not
> the same thing
> at all, or I would have to killfile my own posts (embarrassed grin).
>
> PAW-- Photo A Week (also PESO-- Photo Every So Often), a thing
> introduced to the
> list a while back by Shel Belinkof where you can put up a photo you want
> commented on and folks will tell you how you should have done it (grin).
>
> WOW-- Work Over a Week, similar to the above where you post a
> photo somewhere
> that folks can download it, and they run it through Photo Shop or
> whatever to
> show you how they would have done it. Seems like a good learning
> tool, but I
> have not seen any lately.
>
> Those are the only ones I can think of that have mass general
> agreement, though
> common courtesy is always appreciated here. Some folks do not
> like the off topic
> stuff, but we who engage in it are usually the old timers here,
> and are not
> going to pay much attention to them (grin).
>
> 99.9% of the people on this list are great wonderful terrific
> (add 16 more
> superlatives of your choice here) people who anyone would be glad
> to have as
> friends. I especially know this because many have gone out of
> their way to help
> me from time to time.
>
> We talk about doing this about twice a year, but it never seems
> to go very far.
> So, if anyone has additions, changes, or corrections let me know
> and I will edit
> this and put it up somewhere it can be accessed at anytime.
>
> --
>
> Don Sanderson wrote:
>
> >
> > SO hows about a little FAQ with dos and don'ts and definitions so us
> > newbies don't have to 

Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology for............)

[frank theriault]

--- graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think
we can generalize that a bit more. Don't
> trust anybody that looks like 
> the easter bunny. GRIN!

Actually, Tom,

I prefer to think that the Easter Bunny looks like me;
 not the other way around!  

cheers,
frank

=
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is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer

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Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology for............)

[graywolf]

I think we can generalize that a bit more. Don't trust anybody that looks like 
the easter bunny. GRIN!

--
frank theriault wrote:
--- graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not
rules, Don, just general consensus.

So, if anyone has additions, changes, or corrections
let me know and I will edit 
this and put it up somewhere it can be accessed at
anytime.

"Don't believe anything frank says."
-frank
=
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist fears it is 
true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology for............)

[frank theriault]

--- graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not
rules, Don, just general consensus.
> 

> 
> Ebay: It is all right to mention things "YOU" have
> up for sale. Do not mention 
> other stuff until it is over. An exception is
> obviously funny and BS stuff like 
> the 11 million dollar Canon 1Ds digitals, or
> non-photographic stuff like the 
> wedding dress that was the basis of a long thread
> here a while back/


> So, if anyone has additions, changes, or corrections
> let me know and I will edit 
> this and put it up somewhere it can be accessed at
> anytime.

Well, seriously, Tom, that's a pretty good, relatively
comprehensive (without being heavyhanded or overly
longish) PDMLFAQ you've got there.

You were right in your intro:  it's all common sense,
really, isn't it?

My only addendum (other that the "don't believe frank"
thing) is that I always thought that the prohibition
re:  ongoing eBay auctions was for Pentax stuff, not
other photographic stuff.  Except, as you said, joke
or novelty things, like that giant Pentax body and the
clear Pentax body (both promotional items).  

Mind you, every time the eBay thing comes up, it turns
into a fairly contentious thing, so maybe I should
just leave well enough alone...



cheers,
frank

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is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer

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Re: PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology for............)

[frank theriault]

--- graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not
rules, Don, just general consensus.

> So, if anyone has additions, changes, or corrections
> let me know and I will edit 
> this and put it up somewhere it can be accessed at
> anytime.

"Don't believe anything frank says."

-frank

=
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is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer

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Re: Comment and Question (WAS: RE: Apology for............)

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Don Sanderson"
Subject: Comment and Question (WAS: RE: Apology for)



> SO hows about a little FAQ with dos and don'ts and definitions
so us
> newbies don't have to rub quite so much fur the wrong way?
>

Rules are for wimps.
I figure if something I post rubs someone the wrong way, I'll get
told, and I won't do it again.
Don't argue with Blakely.

William Robb

PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology for............)

[graywolf]

Not rules, Don, just general consensus.
For Sale (and Want To Buy): Pentax stuff anytime. Although many only want to 
have to look on Fridays, and prefer "For Sale Fridays". Most of us would prefer 
that you limit any non-Pentax stuff to Fridays as well.

Ebay: It is all right to mention things "YOU" have up for sale. Do not mention 
other stuff until it is over. An exception is obviously funny and BS stuff like 
the 11 million dollar Canon 1Ds digitals, or non-photographic stuff like the 
wedding dress that was the basis of a long thread here a while back/

Politics/Religion: Since some of us, me up toward the top of the list, can not 
seem to remain civil in these kinds of discussions we very much prefer not to 
have threads about them on the list. This is violated often, until someone goes 
off the deep end and then most of us shut up.

Guns/Cat Photos: A former popular list participant swore he would leave the list 
if anyone mentioned them. He left anyway which shows that you might as will 
ignore such stuff. However, many consider Guns/Abortion/Etc as part of Politics 
and Religion, so generally they should be avoided. Although Cat Photos are now 
seemingly OK again.

Flames/Trolls: People who can not keep from continually attacking others, or who 
insist on trying to incite folks to anger should be totally ignored, these are 
the only folks I filter out of my mail stream, and I would suggest everyone else 
do the same. For they will, if they have their way, destroy the nicest mailing 
list on the Internet. Note: losing your cool now and then is not the same thing 
at all, or I would have to killfile my own posts (embarrassed grin).

PAW-- Photo A Week (also PESO-- Photo Every So Often), a thing introduced to the 
list a while back by Shel Belinkof where you can put up a photo you want 
commented on and folks will tell you how you should have done it (grin).

WOW-- Work Over a Week, similar to the above where you post a photo somewhere 
that folks can download it, and they run it through Photo Shop or whatever to 
show you how they would have done it. Seems like a good learning tool, but I 
have not seen any lately.

Those are the only ones I can think of that have mass general agreement, though 
common courtesy is always appreciated here. Some folks do not like the off topic 
stuff, but we who engage in it are usually the old timers here, and are not 
going to pay much attention to them (grin).

99.9% of the people on this list are great wonderful terrific (add 16 more 
superlatives of your choice here) people who anyone would be glad to have as 
friends. I especially know this because many have gone out of their way to help 
me from time to time.

We talk about doing this about twice a year, but it never seems to go very far. 
So, if anyone has additions, changes, or corrections let me know and I will edit 
this and put it up somewhere it can be accessed at anytime.

--
Don Sanderson wrote:
SO hows about a little FAQ with dos and don'ts and definitions so us
newbies don't have to rub quite so much fur the wrong way?
There used to be one when the list was at Pentax but it didn't cover some of
the above topics, and now it appears to be gone altogether.
I am more than willing to follow the rules, IF I know what they are!
(Kinda reminds me of my boss, "I know you don't know how to do this, but do
it anyway. And do it RIGHT!")
Don (Needing Enlightenment):-/


--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html

Re: Apology for............

[Doug Franklin]

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:43:51 -0700, Tim Sherburne wrote:

> If I run across a "good deal" on eBay that I can't use, I'll share
> it with the group because I know someone out there can use it.

Please don't.  The list has discussed this at least annually since I
came on board in 1998.  Each time the majority opinion or consensus was
not to post ebay auctions unless they're your own auction or they're
closed auctions.  Please be considerate of the rest of the folks on the
list.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Comment and Question (WAS: RE: Apology for............)

[Don Sanderson]

> On 19 Jul 2004 at 15:45, Tim Sherburne wrote:
>
> > Those of you who feel differently about John's posting need to
> wake up: The days
> > of cheap, undiscovered eBay listings on good stuff is ancient history.

I'm not so sure I agree with that, after thinking about this post for a
while I started thinking about a Pentax K 28mm F3.5 for $22.50 'cause it was
mis-listed as an SLR, a like new *ist body for $105.00 in the wrong catagory
and several pieces found by creatively trying lots of different
mis-spellings (or alternate spellings such as ZX5N instead of with the
hyphen) for items.
I think deals can still be unearthed by those who spend A LOT of time
looking.
I know I'd be miffed if one of those hard found listings showed up here for
someone to grab out from under me without having worked for it. (Just my HO)

Now the question:
Nowhere can I find any guidelines covering this (eBay Listings), or for FS
items, or what's allowed for OT subjects, or for that matter what "AW"
stands for!
I am a newcomer to this list, but from experience I KNOW there are rules,
and do my best to figure 'em out.
But I am not going to lurk for 5 years just to do so, I'd rather be hollered
at than not participate.

SO hows about a little FAQ with dos and don'ts and definitions so us
newbies don't have to rub quite so much fur the wrong way?
There used to be one when the list was at Pentax but it didn't cover some of
the above topics, and now it appears to be gone altogether.
I am more than willing to follow the rules, IF I know what they are!

(Kinda reminds me of my boss, "I know you don't know how to do this, but do
it anyway. And do it RIGHT!")

Don (Needing Enlightenment):-/

Re: Apology for............

[Rob Studdert]

On 19 Jul 2004 at 15:45, Tim Sherburne wrote:

> Those of you who feel differently about John's posting need to wake up: The days
> of cheap, undiscovered eBay listings on good stuff is ancient history.

I'm sure no one would get upset if the information was shared post auction. You 
do have to consider that there are far more lurkers here than participants so 
theoretically any particularly attractive auction could be introduced to 
another 900+ potential bidders. If only one of these potentials bid then it 
could mean you or whoever wishes to bid misses out. If you are the one who 
misses out you might think the advice to refrain from posting live auctions is 
reasonable?

I watch a lot of auctions, what are you after in particular, I'll let you know 
on-list when one pops up if you wish?

Sorry to be so sarcastic in my delivery but surely you can see both sides of 
the story, the question is which is most appealing to you and how many listers 
do you want to get off side?


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Apology for............

[Cotty]

On 20/7/04, graywolf, discombobulated, offered:

>How about sharing the ones you are planing to bid on? Oh That is a
>different 
>story, is it?

HAR!




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Apology for............

[graywolf]

How about sharing the ones you are planing to bid on? Oh That is a different 
story, is it?

--
Tim Sherburne wrote:
Kostas... The long and short of it is that I think it's okay for people to
post eBay listings. I don't want to put words in John's mouth, but I'm
guessing that he wanted to simply let others on the list know of an
opportunity, which seems neighborly to me. If I run across a "good deal" on
eBay that I can't use, I'll share it with the group because I know someone
out there can use it.
That's my last word. If you don't like it, put me in your killfile. I've got
better things to do.
t

--
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http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html

Re: Apology for............

[Tim Sherburne]

Kostas... The long and short of it is that I think it's okay for people to
post eBay listings. I don't want to put words in John's mouth, but I'm
guessing that he wanted to simply let others on the list know of an
opportunity, which seems neighborly to me. If I run across a "good deal" on
eBay that I can't use, I'll share it with the group because I know someone
out there can use it.

That's my last word. If you don't like it, put me in your killfile. I've got
better things to do.

t

Re: Apology for............

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Tim Sherburne wrote:

>
> And eBay itself isn't a "worldwide list with a searchable interface"? Nice
> try, Kostas.

No, it's only a searchable site. From which you missed the lens you
wanted, as you admit, because it has a lot of noise and quirks.

Kostas

Re: Apology for............

[Tim Sherburne]

And eBay itself isn't a "worldwide list with a searchable interface"? Nice
try, Kostas.

On 7/20/04 2:45, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:

> That's quite different to publicising in a worldwide list
> with a searchable interface.

Re: Apology for............

[John Whittingham]

Thanks Tim

Best regards,

John

John Whittingham

Technician

-- Original Message ---
From: Tim Sherburne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Pentax Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:45:56 -0700
Subject: Re: Apology for

> John, I for one don't think you should apologize. In fact, I'd like 
> to thank you since I wouldn't have seen the listing otherwise.
> 
> Those of you who feel differently about John's posting need to wake 
> up: The days of cheap, undiscovered eBay listings on good stuff is 
> ancient history.
> 
> t
> 
> On 7/19/04 14:05, John Whittingham wrote:
> 
> > ...posting someome elses eBay auction item on the list this 
morning.
> > I understand it is not the done thing, just trying to help, it won't 
happen
> > again.
> > 
> > Sincerely,  
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > John Whittingham
> > 
> > Technician
> > 
> > 
> >
--- End of Original Message ---

Re: Apology for............

[Tim Sherburne]

John, I for one don't think you should apologize. In fact, I'd like to thank
you since I wouldn't have seen the listing otherwise.

Those of you who feel differently about John's posting need to wake up: The
days of cheap, undiscovered eBay listings on good stuff is ancient history.

t

On 7/19/04 14:05, John Whittingham wrote:

> ...posting someome elses eBay auction item on the list this morning.
> I understand it is not the done thing, just trying to help, it won't happen
> again.
> 
> Sincerely,  
> 
> John
> 
> John Whittingham
> 
> Technician
> 
> 
> 

Re: Apology

[frank theriault]

Hey, sometimes you like a bit of softness in a lens, you know, for portraits or
whatever...And, even if he ain't the sharpest lens (which is obviously
not true, anyway), he seems to know a sharp one (m50 1.7) when he sees one.

Should I ever bump into your brother, I won't say a thing to him, however.

cheers,
frank

Evan Hanson wrote:

> The other day on the list I said "my brother isn't the sharpest lens in the
> bag" now I know none of you know my brother but I feel bad for that comment.
> I was just having a bad day and just spoke without thinking.
>
> On the positive side the M50 1.7 he purchased for me (BIN priced at 19.95)
> turned out to be a real bargain.  I would rate it excellent condition and
> the glass is spotless.
>
> Evan

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fears it is true." -J. Robert
Oppenheimer

Re: Apology

[Lukasz Kacperczyk]

It's been a while since we've had apologies on this list. Good to see we're
back on the right track ;-)

Regards,
Lukasz

PS. I'm glad the lens turned out OK. At $20 it's a steal.
===
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===
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- Original Message -
From: "Evan Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:35 PM
Subject: Apology


> The other day on the list I said "my brother isn't the sharpest lens in
the
> bag" now I know none of you know my brother but I feel bad for that
comment.
> I was just having a bad day and just spoke without thinking.
>
> On the positive side the M50 1.7 he purchased for me (BIN priced at 19.95)
> turned out to be a real bargain.  I would rate it excellent condition and
> the glass is spotless.
>
> Evan
>



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Re: Apology: OT Mac Blat

[Steve Desjardins]

Next time, stick to something less controversial like which flavor of
Christianity is best . . . 8^)

Re: Apology: OT Mac Blat

[T Rittenhouse]

And right you are to apologize, Cotty. I was looking at Macs in Comp USA
down in Charlotte today. Obviously they are pop sculpture, not working
tools. Any worthwhile computer has to be in an ugly black (or at least
beige) box. Good lord, those apple people don't even know what a computer is
supposed to look like. How can one trust somebody like that? Now if I just
had room for one more tape drive with my system (see the movie Andromeda
Strain if you want to know what a computer is supposed to look like).

Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto


- Original Message -
From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I hereby duly apologise.

Re: Apology: OT Mac Blat

[Keith Whaley]

Cotty wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> 
> I hereby duly apologise. I should know better but I was stupid enough to
> hit the send button before my brain engaged and prevented me. Please
> accept my humblest sorrow for initiating what must rank as a verbotten
> thread.
> 
> For the record, I read:
> 
> > how hard it is to use a Mac
> 
> and for the record, I responded:
> 
> >> This is a classic oxymoron!
> 
> and for the record, I would just like to say that my intention was
> entirely honourable. I did not mean to denigrate anyone's choice of
> computer brand - I simply meant that Macs are not hard to use, end of
> story.
> 
> Again, apologies.
> 
> Tail between legs,

'S okay, Cotty. Even *I* lie like that, once in a while, if the
subject is worthwhile, and the education is important to impart...  

keith

> 
> Cotty

RE: APOLOGY: PowerBook Lombard Build Project Commences...

[Cotty]

Folks, I am extremely sorry - please ignore a previous original post 
under this title from me - it was aimed at a different email list, and 
failed miserably as you have seen.

My apologies

Cotty

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Re: Apology

[Bill D. Casselberry]

 Mike wrote:
 
> Hey everybody, 
> I apologize for my intemperate post yesterday objecting to the "gun" thread
> and threatening to leave. I should have thought that one over before hitting
> "Send." Sorry!

Ah - Good  :^)

IMHO, it is best to just let those occassional "hot" threads
die off naturally. By exercising restraint in responses they
generally fade away in a few days on their own unless there
is a "pile-on" reaction.

" ... these things too shall pass away"
  Pearls Before Swine   c.'68

Bill

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RE: Apology

[Kent Gittings]

That's OK Mike. We are all probably just as sorry for bringing it up in the
first place.
Kent Gittings

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Johnston
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 7:58 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Apology


Hey everybody,



I apologize for my intemperate post yesterday objecting to the "gun" thread
and threatening to leave. I should have thought that one over before hitting
"Send." Sorry!



--Mike
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Re: Apology

[Anthony Farr]

ROTFL

Regards,
Anthony Farr

- Original Message -
From: "Peifer, William [OCDUS]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


(snip)

> Hey, don't sweat it, Mike.  After all, when intemperate posts are
outlawed,
> only outlaws will be making intemperate posts.

(snip)
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RE: Apology

[Peifer, William [OCDUS]]

Mike Johnston wrote:
[An apology for an allegedly intemperate post, snipped]

Hey, don't sweat it, Mike.  After all, when intemperate posts are outlawed,
only outlaws will be making intemperate posts.  And THEN what will we all
do?  

Bill Peifer
(proud owner of a copy of "The Federalist Papers" and a few small-caliber
arms, and NOT feeling safer about living under New York's restrictive gun
registration laws -- now donning his asbestos suit and promising no more
posts on this off-topic)
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Re: Apology

[Anthony Farr]

No worries, Mike.  It baffles me why a light hearted thread about the
Croc Hunter and his endorsement of the Pentax brand came to be used as a
soapbox by gun enthusiasts, who believe that our (Australia's)
government oppresses us by prohibiting the unjustified ownership of
killing implements.

Regards,
Anthony Farr


- Original Message -
From: "Mike Johnston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> Hey everybody,
>
>
>
> I apologize for my intemperate post yesterday objecting to the "gun"
thread
> and threatening to leave. I should have thought that one over before
hitting
> "Send." Sorry!
>
>
>
> --Mike
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