Re: Autoloaded to frame 1
Great film. On a manual wind camera I always got 28-29 frames from a 24+3 film. The autowind cameras seem to only give 27 though. --- dick graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course one could use AGFA's HDC + which gives you 3 free exposures on a 24 exposure roll., that means you get 27 exposures for the price of 24. One of our local supermarkets sells AGFA HDC+ 100 for $1.99 USD. DG __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Autoloaded to frame 1
You can be absolutely sure of getting at least 3 extra shots. It is clearly written on the packaging. And none of this silly sunny-bright language. Jody. Of course one could use AGFA's HDC + which gives you 3 free exposures on a 24 exposure roll., that means you get 27 exposures for the price of 24. One of our local supermarkets sells AGFA HDC+ 100 for $1.99 USD. DG Sorry, I could not get your point. Is it written on the package of the film that the user will definitely get 3 free exposures or the user is supposed to get 3 exposures free of cost but he/she may not be sure about it? - Ayash Kanto. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Autoloaded to frame 1
By doing this on my ME, Ricoh body, KX, and other manual wind bodies I usually get about 40 frames on a roll of film.But if you take the film to a lab, you can't always count on them not exposing or cutting off frames at the very beginning or end, so don't shoot anything important on them. My ZX-M always wastes the first 2 frames, plus it will rewind and still leave a frame occasionally. Todd At 11:31 AM 5/15/01 -0800, you wrote: Ayash Kanto wrote: In all the MZ/ZX series cameras that PENTAX has manufactured, the autoloading facility advances the film to frame1 as soon as the camera back is closed. There are two disadvantages with this system. 1. You loose two to three frames. I have always noticed that. :^) just another example of over automation and too much technical brouhaha. I can load my Spotmatics in a dark room and start shooting as soon as the tongue of the film is once around the take-up spool! Even back in the days of the Super Program, dark forces were at work laying the foundations for this dilemma currently under discussion by deactivating the meter until a certain excess ammount of film had been wound on. disclaimer: due to another over mechanization, this doesn't work well if color film is processed in a color printing machine. Best to use Plus-X, Tri-X or Verichrome Pan and soup it yerself in a small daylight tank. m42 -( Forwrd into the Past! )- Bill - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Autoloaded to frame 1
On Tue, 15 May 2001, tom wrote: Huh? You get 37 frames per long roll. I get 38 rarely, every once in a while 36. Hi Tom! I have never got 38 exposures (you are quite fortunate from that sense). The maximum that I got is 37 quite often and sometimes 36 but it surprised me a lot when I got 35. That's odd. I almost always get 37. Lets say your film was labeled 36, but was in fact 35. What would the EOS do? Would it assume there's an extra frame there and let you take a pic on the leader? Even if it could sense the leader was leaving the spool, you'd be awfully close to trying to take a picture on the part of the film that hangs out of the can. As far as I think EOS allows you to take the shot as far as there is a tension along the film plane. The moment the tension goes off, it rewinds the small remaining portion inside the film cartridge. Cheers, Ayash Kanto. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Autoloaded to frame 1
On Tue, 15 May 2001, Bruce Dayton wrote: I have mixed feelings about the Canon system. Certainly for those prone to open the back instead of wind the film back, it can be useful. I have only opened the back accidentally once on my wife's ZX-10 because she told me that the film needed changing. I mistakenly thought that she had shot the last frame and it had wound back. I quickly closed the back and only lost about 3 frames. Once, I also opened the back of my MZ-M by accident (I still don't know why I opened the back door) and quickly closed it when I realized that a film is sitting inside. As a result, I lost 2 frames. From then onwards, I never committed the mistake of opening the back cover with the film inside. It was a good lesson for me. Cheers, Ayash Kanto. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Autoloaded to frame 1
On Tue, 15 May 2001, Bill D. Casselberry wrote: :^) just another example of over automation and too much technical brouhaha. I can load my Spotmatics in a dark room and start shooting as soon as the tongue of the film is once around the take-up spool! Even back in the days of the Super Program, dark forces were at work laying the foundations for this dilemma currently under discussion by deactivating the meter until a certain excess ammount of film had been wound on. disclaimer: due to another over mechanization, this doesn't work well if color film is processed in a color printing machine. Best to use Plus-X, Tri-X or Verichrome Pan and soup it yerself in a small daylight tank. m42 -( Forwrd into the Past! )- Bill - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Hi! Your reply has actually inspired me to purchase a mechanical manual focus SLR body because I can employ your technique of loading the film only with such bodies. Many thanks. With regards, Ayash Kanto. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Autoloaded to frame 1
On Tue, 15 May 2001, dick graham wrote: Of course one could use AGFA's HDC + which gives you 3 free exposures on a 24 exposure roll., that means you get 27 exposures for the price of 24. One of our local supermarkets sells AGFA HDC+ 100 for $1.99 USD. DG Sorry, I could not get your point. Is it written on the package of the film that the user will definitely get 3 free exposures or the user is supposed to get 3 exposures free of cost but he/she may not be sure about it? - Ayash Kanto. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Autoloaded to frame 1
On Tue, 15 May 2001, aimcompute wrote: They were mine. Paul wrote: One can only imagine what priceless photos the world has lost because a camera back was prematurely opened. I am very sorry for that. Did you photographed it again? Just inquisitive. Cheers, Ayash Kanto. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Autoloaded to frame 1
On Tue, 15 May 2001, Bill D. Casselberry wrote: Bruce wrote: My friend has a Canon Rebel and one downside to the system is that all the frames are numbered backwards from a chronology point of view. The mini-labs number your prints and these number will be in the opposite order of how you actually took them. See! Technology Run Amok! (trademark, Canon Corp) ... it's insidious, I tell you! ... and with such collusion between camera processing equipment manufacturers - a conspiracy, as well! !8^D I know that you have disliking for the technologically advanced SLRs. To be precise, I really want to have one mechanical manual focus SLR body. Do you know why? I can not do multiple exposure experiments with my MZ-M. This makes me feel handicapped. With regards, Ayash Kanto. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Autoloaded to frame 1
Hi Patrick! On Tue, 15 May 2001, Patrick White wrote: My PZ-1p, 37, occasionally 38. Wife's Canon, always 36 (they seem to have designed the film transport to do that on purpose). I am surprised. My manual load cameras, 36-37 full frames and some partials. I can see the advantage of Canon's solution, and would prefer it as it saves the pictuers I've already taken. However, I solved the problem by learning how to check for film in the cameras and training myself to always check before opening. Haven't had the problem in years. However, if that is such a problem, then why hasn't some company designed an interlock to prevent the camera back from being opened when there is film in it? I wonder why PENTAX has not considered this part of camera design. Perhaps patent infringement? Recently, I was using KODAK MAX 400 (the old package), and I got 35 exposures only though it is expected to allow atleast 36 exposures. It happened twice with me. Sounds like you pulled out too much film while loading. I used to do that sometimes while I was learning to use my K-1000 or having a fit loading it. Perhaps you are right. Let me tell you something. I don't like this autoadvance to frame 1 feature. It consumes a lot of unexposed film but I do like and appreciate the successive auto advance feature after each shot, auto rewind at the end of the role and countinous mode shooting. Cheers, Ayash Kanto. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Autoloaded to frame 1
- Original Message - From: Ayash Kanto Mukherjee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Autoloaded to frame 1 Hi all! In all the MZ/ZX series cameras that PENTAX has manufactured, the autoloading facility advances the film to frame1 as soon as the camera back is closed. There are two disadvantages with this system. 1. You loose two to three frames. I have always noticed that. Although most of the film rolls are long enough to get 1-3 frames more than the number written on the box, I never expose them. When I load a film that is 36 frames long, I always force rewinding it after the 36th frame is exposed. Although my MZ-7 allows me to get more (usually 1 frame more - 13, 25 or 37), the real problem is with labs. I lost many extra-frames in processing, so I decided not to exploit any film roll to the last. Those 1 or 2 frames per film are no real profit, in my opinion, and the risk of losing them by a lab is too big to make using this bonus any sense. 2. If by accident the camera back is opened, the exposed part of the film gets spoiled completely. I've never faced this problem so far, fortunately. Generally, I'm very cautious about it and since my camera shows the number of the frame of a film loaded at the moment even if it is turned off, I always know when not to open the body. A month back, Canon EOS 300 came in my hand and I noticed that it advanced the film to the last frame with the closure of camera back. Thus you always sqeeze atleast two to three more shots. Secondly, if the camera back is opened by accident, the exposed part goes inside the film cartridge and it is the unexposed part which gets spoiled. So, if you have taken a few shots with lot of hardwork and thinking, it remains safe inside the cartridge. For a serious photographer it is an advantage. A nice idea - I like it I wonder why PENTAX has not considered this part of camera design. No idea:) Recently, I was using KODAK MAX 400 (the old package), and I got 35 exposures only though it is expected to allow atleast 36 exposures. It happened twice with me. It has never happened with me. I'd rather think this could have been the problem with the given package itself, not the camera. Regards Artur - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Autoloaded to frame 1
- Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Autoloaded to frame 1 My friend has a Canon Rebel and one downside to the system is that all the frames are numbered backwards from a chronology point of view. The mini-labs number your prints and these number will be in the opposite order of how you actually took them. Well, this wouldn't be any particular problem, I think:) I'd really go for it if I knew that my exposed frames were safe in the cartridge:) The other technical solution would be another, built-in cartridge, installed in the place where the film is rolled on. This would, however, make loading films much more difficult. Regards Artur - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Autoloaded to frame 1
Of course one could use AGFA's HDC + which gives you 3 free exposures on a 24 exposure roll., that means you get 27 exposures for the price of 24. One of our local supermarkets sells AGFA HDC+ 100 for $1.99 USD. DG At 09:13 PM 5/15/01 +0530, you wrote: Hi all! In all the MZ/ZX series cameras that PENTAX has manufactured, the autoloading facility advances the film to frame1 as soon as the camera back is closed. There are two disadvantages with this system. 1. You loose two to three frames. I have always noticed that. 2. If by accident the camera back is opened, the exposed part of the film gets spoiled completely. A month back, Canon EOS 300 came in my hand and I noticed that it advanced the film to the last frame with the closure of camera back. Thus you always sqeeze atleast two to three more shots. Secondly, if the camera back is opened by accident, the exposed part goes inside the film cartridge and it is the unexposed part which gets spoiled. So, if you have taken a few shots with lot of hardwork and thinking, it remains safe inside the cartridge. For a serious photographer it is an advantage. I wonder why PENTAX has not considered this part of camera design. Recently, I was using KODAK MAX 400 (the old package), and I got 35 exposures only though it is expected to allow atleast 36 exposures. It happened twice with me. With regards, Ayash Kanto. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Autoloaded to frame 1
Ayash Kanto wrote: In all the MZ/ZX series cameras that PENTAX has manufactured, the autoloading facility advances the film to frame1 as soon as the camera back is closed. There are two disadvantages with this system. 1. You loose two to three frames. I have always noticed that. :^) just another example of over automation and too much technical brouhaha. I can load my Spotmatics in a dark room and start shooting as soon as the tongue of the film is once around the take-up spool! Even back in the days of the Super Program, dark forces were at work laying the foundations for this dilemma currently under discussion by deactivating the meter until a certain excess ammount of film had been wound on. disclaimer: due to another over mechanization, this doesn't work well if color film is processed in a color printing machine. Best to use Plus-X, Tri-X or Verichrome Pan and soup it yerself in a small daylight tank. m42 -( Forwrd into the Past! )- Bill - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Autoloaded to frame 1
They were mine. Paul wrote: One can only imagine what priceless photos the world has lost because a camera back was prematurely opened. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Autoloaded to frame 1
Bruce wrote: My friend has a Canon Rebel and one downside to the system is that all the frames are numbered backwards from a chronology point of view. The mini-labs number your prints and these number will be in the opposite order of how you actually took them. See! Technology Run Amok! (trademark, Canon Corp) ... it's insidious, I tell you! ... and with such collusion between camera processing equipment manufacturers - a conspiracy, as well! !8^D - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Autoloaded to frame 1
Ayash Kanto Mukherjee wrote: In all the MZ/ZX series cameras that PENTAX has manufactured, the autoloading facility advances the film to frame1 as soon as the camera back is closed. There are two disadvantages with this system. 1. You loose two to three frames. I have always noticed that. 2. If by accident the camera back is opened, the exposed part of the film gets spoiled completely. A month back, Canon EOS 300 came in my hand and I noticed that it advanced the film to the last frame with the closure of camera back. Thus you always sqeeze atleast two to three more shots. Secondly, if the camera back is opened by accident, the exposed part goes inside the film cartridge and it is the unexposed part which gets spoiled. My PZ-1p, 37, occasionally 38. Wife's Canon, always 36 (they seem to have designed the film transport to do that on purpose). My manual load cameras, 36-37 full frames and some partials. I can see the advantage of Canon's solution, and would prefer it as it saves the pictuers I've already taken. However, I solved the problem by learning how to check for film in the cameras and training myself to always check before opening. Haven't had the problem in years. However, if that is such a problem, then why hasn't some company designed an interlock to prevent the camera back from being opened when there is film in it? I wonder why PENTAX has not considered this part of camera design. Perhaps patent infringement? Recently, I was using KODAK MAX 400 (the old package), and I got 35 exposures only though it is expected to allow atleast 36 exposures. It happened twice with me. Sounds like you pulled out too much film while loading. I used to do that sometimes while I was learning to use my K-1000 or having a fit loading it. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
