Re: Enlarging Lens for 6x7
On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Aaron Reynolds wrote: Nope, you saw one with a metering prism on it. You have to turn it on, I think. Dunno, I don't have one. Another giveaway is that it sticks out on the left, over the shutter speed dial. The non-metering prism does not, and makes the camera appear more symmetrical. Then it was the metering prism. Oh well, next time I go down, I'll have to give it another shot.. Good plan. You can always upgrade your body when you have a pile of 67 glass. That's about it, plus part of the reason I'm doing this is to go with 6x7 and not 6x6. While I have no problem with square images, most of what i'll do will probably be cropped into a rectangle anyhow, so why bother mucking about with 6x6? Woohoo! Did an engagement fall through or something? If so, hopefully the camera will not end up being a reminder of that. About two years ago, I think. I try not to think abou;it, but yeah it did. The camera will end up being a reminder of how much better off I am with someone who isn't evil. :) Unless it's a good kind of reminder. See above, but all I know is all teh bills I've got piled up all over, this money must be spent ono me, and on something frivilous and not bills or expenses or anything. My money, I suffered for it. :) -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Enlarging Lens for 6x7
Hi Shel, The Componon-S is actually a 100mm lens. With my Omega DII on the baseboard, 8x10 comes just a little higher than half way up the column, slightly lower for edge to edge full neg on 8x10 paper. But not much lower, since 6x7 negs are pretty close to 8x10 proportion. 11x14 comes about 3/4 of the way up the column. I couldn't do 16x20 with that lens on the baseboard. That's why I went to the dropped table arrangement. I don't know the exact dimensions in inches. I can measure for you some time over the weekend if you'd like that info. Paul Shel Belinkoff wrote: Paul, Using the 105mm, at about what height will you get a full-frame print on 11x14 and 8x10 paper? Likewise a print that will fill an 8x10 and 11x14 with absolute minimal cropping, i.e, taking the neg to fill the narrow part of the paper? Working with Bruce's 6x7 negative I found that I'd prefer a little more space between the lens and the easel than I get with an 80mm lens. BTW, those big negs are nice smile Paul Stenquist wrote: I'm using a 100/5.6 Schneider Componon-S. It will give me up to about 18x22 on my dropped table with the Omega DII. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Enlarging Lens for 6x7
Thanks Paul. I'll just get the approximate measurements from my D2. Are you satisfied with the quality of the Componon-S. I'm wondering if there'd be a noticeable difference between it and an APO Rodagon-N. Fortunately a friend as the Rodagon-N, so getting at least one sample to try should be easy and inexpensive. He's raving about his 50mm/2.8 and his 80mm Rodagons, and has said the difference between them and his earlier El Nikkors is quite obvious. Oh well ... maybe I better get some sleep. The Componon-S is actually a 100mm lens. With my Omega DII on the baseboard, 8x10 comes just a little higher than half way up the column, slightly lower for edge to edge full neg on 8x10 paper. But not much lower, since 6x7 negs are pretty close to 8x10 proportion. 11x14 comes about 3/4 of the way up the column. I couldn't do 16x20 with that lens on the baseboard. That's why I went to the dropped table arrangement. I don't know the exact dimensions in inches. I can measure for you some time over the weekend if you'd like that info. --- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Enlarging Lens for 6x7
I have only just started out printing my own BW so apologies if this is a silly question. Why use a longer focal length lens and have to raise the head/drop the print so far rather then use a shorter focal length and have the print nearer? I have a Durst 605 with colour head and I am still at the point of 'learning' the characteristics of what I have. Alan Paul wrote: Hi Shel, The Componon-S is actually a 100mm lens. With my Omega DII on the baseboard, 8x10 comes just a little higher than half way up the column, slightly lower for edge to edge full neg on 8x10 paper. But not much lower, since 6x7 negs are pretty close to 8x10 proportion. 11x14 comes about 3/4 of the way up the column. I couldn't do 16x20 with that lens on the baseboard. That's why I went to the dropped table arrangement. I don't know the exact dimensions in inches. I can measure for you some time over the weekend if you'd like that info. Paul - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Enlarging Lens for 6x7
On Friday, April 26, 2002, at 06:18 AM, Alan Abbott wrote: I have only just started out printing my own BW so apologies if this is a silly question. Why use a longer focal length lens and have to raise the head/drop the print so far rather then use a shorter focal length and have the print nearer? I have a Durst 605 with colour head and I am still at the point of 'learning' the characteristics of what I have. Comfort level using the head is one -- if it is at a height that is easy to use for you, that's good, especially if you're using a VC head or a colour head for multicontrast. Also, working with the lens is a bit easier higher up. And also, if the lens is too close to the paper, it is much harder to burn and dodge without bumping the lens or the head. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Enlarging Lens for 6x7
On Thursday, April 25, 2002, at 08:39 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Working with Bruce's 6x7 negative I found that I'd prefer a little more space between the lens and the easel than I get with an 80mm lens. BTW, those big negs are nice smile Shel...your resistance is slowly dissolving...you will join the Brotherhood... -Brother Aaron, Hypnotic Enabler - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Enlarging Lens for 6x7
On Friday, April 26, 2002, at 09:57 AM, gfen wrote: I have no idea how to lock the mirror up, and the sales person couldn't figure it out, either. Okay, holding the camera, your right hand middle finger should be able to reach a teeny tiny switch on the side of the mirror box. Flip it up. The camera must be wound to do this. Is there any difference between the MLU 6x7 and the 67, outside of minor cosmetic differences? As far as I know just cosmetics and age. What can you Brotherhood types routinly hand-hold it at with say an 80mm lens? I can reliably pull off 1/60 with the 105, and 1/30 provided I use the mirror lock. 1/30 without the mirror lock is hit-and-miss (though generally fine at 8x10). -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Enlarging Lens for 6x7
Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: those big negs are nice smile Shel...your resistance is slowly dissolving...you will join the Brotherhood... I think not ... while a medium format camera is definitely in my future, I doubt (note that I'm not saying it won't be) that it will be the Pentax 6x7. --- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Enlarging Lens for 6x7
On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Aaron Reynolds wrote: Okay, holding the camera, your right hand middle finger should be able to reach a teeny tiny switch on the side of the mirror box. Flip it up. The camera must be wound to do this. I don't even remember seeing this, I was more concentrating on an on/off toggle and button on the prism housing, thinking that might somehow do it. As far as I know just cosmetics and age. Any problems with the older bodies then that I should be aware of? If that's the case, I figure I can shave a few bucks off getting a 6x7 versus the 67. Finally, a question on purchasing a used item: I'm a bit confused on the prisms. Should I assume that if it does not list a prism with the body, there is none included? The regular, non-AE, prism still allows metering (which is basic centerweight in the 6x7 and 67)? I know this is pretty subjective, but finally can someone give me an idea of a reasonable price range for a 6x7 or 67 with prism? Thanks for all your assistance. -g. -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Enlarging Lens for 6x7
Hi, Aaron gave you a good answer, but there's a little more to it for some people and some lenses. There are those who believe that working with a longer focal length lens, such as an 80mm instead of a 50mm for 35mm work, alllows for sharper and better quality results because only the center area of the lens is being used, eliminating or substantially reducing the effects of light fall off, lack of edge sharpness and resolution, and one or two other concerns. This is, perhaps, more of a concern with lesser quality lenses, but it is a concern nonetheless. Also, if you're using a grain focuser, having the enlarger head higher can allow you to get your head under it in order to use the focuser to best advantage. On Friday, April 26, 2002, at 06:18 AM, Alan Abbott wrote: I have only just started out printing my own BW so apologies if this is a silly question. Why use a longer focal length lens and have to raise the head/drop the print so far rather then use a shorter focal length and have the print nearer? --- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Enlarging Lens for 6x7
On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Aaron Reynolds wrote: Not that I'm aware of, other than age or heavier use. You should (if you can) run a roll through and check out the frame spacing to make sure there's no overlapping. If there's overlapping, it probably needs a tune up. I guess it depends on where I buy it, but I'm almost 100% sure it won't be local. I'm not a raving fan of ebay, so I'll likely buy it from one of the big three mailorder houses, unless something turns up on ebay for cheap. The only AE prism is only for the 67II. For the 67, there are two types of prism: metering and non-metering. The non-metering prism does OK... both of the bodies I looked through had needle meters in the bottom section, but neither of them seemed to change when I moved around or swapped settings. Does the non metering prism still have the display, but its just non-functional? nothing at all. The metering prism is an overall averaging meter, taking more into account than a normal centre-weighted meter. I'd really like a 67ii for the integral spot meter, but its not gonna happen. I've breifly thought about a Kiev 60 today, and using the remainder of my money for a 4x5 lens, but I decided instead to just start with the system I think I want. The lowest I've seen for a 6x7, metering prism and 105mm f2.4 (old version), in cosmetically fairly ugly condition was $899 CDN. I've seen nicer bodies with a 105mm and the non-metering prism fairly frequently in the $1100 - $1200 CDN range. Well, I just sold my ring for $700 US. So, that plus a little on top.. and I'm in! I get my cash in two weeks.. whee! Happy shopping! ..like you couldn't believe... -g -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Enlarging Lens for 6x7
On Friday, April 26, 2002, at 03:50 PM, gfen wrote: OK... both of the bodies I looked through had needle meters in the bottom section, but neither of them seemed to change when I moved around or swapped settings. Does the non metering prism still have the display, but its just non-functional? Nope, you saw one with a metering prism on it. You have to turn it on, I think. Dunno, I don't have one. Another giveaway is that it sticks out on the left, over the shutter speed dial. The non-metering prism does not, and makes the camera appear more symmetrical. I'd really like a 67ii for the integral spot meter, but its not gonna happen. I've breifly thought about a Kiev 60 today, and using the remainder of my money for a 4x5 lens, but I decided instead to just start with the system I think I want. Good plan. You can always upgrade your body when you have a pile of 67 glass. Well, I just sold my ring for $700 US. So, that plus a little on top.. and I'm in! I get my cash in two weeks.. whee! Woohoo! Did an engagement fall through or something? If so, hopefully the camera will not end up being a reminder of that. Unless it's a good kind of reminder. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Enlarging Lens for 6x7
Lots of stuff in this message, and I won't try to address it all. The metering prism is very nice, but you have to switch the meter on. And if the lens has been removed since the meter was turned on, you have to do it all over again with the meter on. As with any meter, you have to consider what the meter is evaluating when you take your reading. the last low light inddor model shoot I had, I asked the model to take a flahmeter reading. I then considered that in result to what you hear on the street. In the end, it proved more why huyd. gfen wrote: On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Aaron Reynolds wrote: Not that I'm aware of, other than age or heavier use. You should (if you can) run a roll through and check out the frame spacing to make sure there's no overlapping. If there's overlapping, it probably needs a tune up. I guess it depends on where I buy it, but I'm almost 100% sure it won't be local. I'm not a raving fan of ebay, so I'll likely buy it from one of the big three mailorder houses, unless something turns up on ebay for cheap. The only AE prism is only for the 67II. For the 67, there are two types of prism: metering and non-metering. The non-metering prism does OK... both of the bodies I looked through had needle meters in the bottom section, but neither of them seemed to change when I moved around or swapped settings. Does the non metering prism still have the display, but its just non-functional? nothing at all. The metering prism is an overall averaging meter, taking more into account than a normal centre-weighted meter. I'd really like a 67ii for the integral spot meter, but its not gonna happen. I've breifly thought about a Kiev 60 today, and using the remainder of my money for a 4x5 lens, but I decided instead to just start with the system I think I want. The lowest I've seen for a 6x7, metering prism and 105mm f2.4 (old version), in cosmetically fairly ugly condition was $899 CDN. I've seen nicer bodies with a 105mm and the non-metering prism fairly frequently in the $1100 - $1200 CDN range. Well, I just sold my ring for $700 US. So, that plus a little on top.. and I'm in! I get my cash in two weeks.. whee! Happy shopping! ..like you couldn't believe... -g -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Enlarging Lens for 6x7
Paul, Using the 105mm, at about what height will you get a full-frame print on 11x14 and 8x10 paper? Likewise a print that will fill an 8x10 and 11x14 with absolute minimal cropping, i.e, taking the neg to fill the narrow part of the paper? Working with Bruce's 6x7 negative I found that I'd prefer a little more space between the lens and the easel than I get with an 80mm lens. BTW, those big negs are nice smile Paul Stenquist wrote: I'm using a 100/5.6 Schneider Componon-S. It will give me up to about 18x22 on my dropped table with the Omega DII. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
