Re: I gotta brag
I can understand the confusion with some one who doesn't own one. But from an owner I had a really sweet Malamute "Bear" - about 125 to 135 lbs - & when we were out for a walk alot of people would ask if he was a husky. Very few got it right. BTW he was the nicest animal with young kids. Liked to play with them, rolling babies on the floor & just being friendly with them. Most people never got that far with him as they were put off by his size, but he always was a real puppy dog. He never showed aggressive tendencies unless someone showed aggression towards me. Lived for 13 years. I miss him but not the work it took to take of him. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Scott Loveless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: I gotta brag > On 1/30/07, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I had a malamute when I was in high school. > > This is going to make me look even more like an idiot than I already > do, but I have to apologize. After looking through some Malamute > related web sites, I realized that I didn't have a malamute. I had a > Siberian Husky. Doh! Even without looking at the photos, the > temperament descriptions match my dog perfectly. Wonderful breed, > btw. Just a little on the independent side. > > -- > Scott Loveless > http://www.twosixteen.com > Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I had a malamute, she was a very independent dog. Loved people, even small children were well tolerated, hell on other animals, especially other dogs. Other than humans, animals they fell into two categories, rivals or prey. Scott Loveless wrote: > On 1/30/07, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I had a malamute when I was in high school. >> > > This is going to make me look even more like an idiot than I already > do, but I have to apologize. After looking through some Malamute > related web sites, I realized that I didn't have a malamute. I had a > Siberian Husky. Doh! Even without looking at the photos, the > temperament descriptions match my dog perfectly. Wonderful breed, > btw. Just a little on the independent side. > > -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Young maybe, but little? William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "wendy beard" > Subject: Re: I gotta brag > > > >> Congrats, Bill. Well done the pair of you! >> >> Wendy >> p.s. >> just been looking through his baby album. This is hilarious! >> >> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/fellas/page2/_IGP1562.jpg >> > > Ban the leghold trap!!! > > Thanks everyone for looking, and for the congrats. The PCD title is ike > graduating kindergarten, but I'm still really proud of the little guy. > > William Robb > > > -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 1/30/07, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I had a malamute when I was in high school. This is going to make me look even more like an idiot than I already do, but I have to apologize. After looking through some Malamute related web sites, I realized that I didn't have a malamute. I had a Siberian Husky. Doh! Even without looking at the photos, the temperament descriptions match my dog perfectly. Wonderful breed, btw. Just a little on the independent side. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Same here Paul. Our current housemate is what appears to be corgi beagle mix. She's getting old and spends most of the day sleeping. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 9:26 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: I gotta brag Best dogs I've owned were mongrels. The best of al of them was half English Foxhound, half German Shepherd. She was brilliant, fast and athletic. She could open the front gate or leap over the five-foot back fence. She could tell time and would come to meet me when school let out. Her name was Ginger, and I'll never forget her. Paul On Jan 31, 2007, at 8:17 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: > I think this is the same at our side of the pond too. Unfortunately > many > Goldens suffer from what I call the colour TV syndrome. In early > seventies > when the children where nagging their parent's to buy a colour TV, the > answer was home breeding using the neighbour dog. The result was > often an > odd mix of genes. > > This has happened to a lot of the popular breeds. So if you want a > child > safe dog, then stay away from the popular breeds. > > > Tim > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of > William Robb > Sent: 31. januar 2007 15:05 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: I gotta brag > > > - Original Message - > From: "Bob Sullivan" Subject: Re: I gotta brag > > >> Child friendy dogs? How about a Golden Retriever. > > The number 1 biter in North America? > The new health disaster looking for a place to happen? > Sorry, not for me. Goldens aren't dogs they used to be. > > William Robb > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Good guess Peter. He was a Flatty and Svensk Lapphund (a Swedish FCI 5 breed, don't know the name in English) http://www.norsklapphundklubb.com/svensk_lapp.shtml Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: 1. februar 2007 04:56 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: I gotta brag He looks a bit like a flat coated retriever. Tim Øsleby wrote: > Ludvik was a mongrel (new word for me). > http://www.photosight.org/photo.php?photoid=37379&ref=author > > So I have nothing against mixed breeds. The unfortunate thing is when people > choose whatever dog of same breed that's within reach, because they are > after easy money. That's the colour TV syndrome. > > > Tim > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul > Stenquist > Sent: 1. februar 2007 03:26 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: I gotta brag > > Best dogs I've owned were mongrels. The best of al of them was half > English Foxhound, half German Shepherd. She was brilliant, fast and > athletic. She could open the front gate or leap over the five-foot > back fence. She could tell time and would come to meet me when school > let out. Her name was Ginger, and I'll never forget her. > Paul > On Jan 31, 2007, at 8:17 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: > > >> I think this is the same at our side of the pond too. Unfortunately >> many >> Goldens suffer from what I call the colour TV syndrome. In early >> seventies >> when the children where nagging their parent's to buy a colour TV, the >> answer was home breeding using the neighbour dog. The result was >> often an >> odd mix of genes. >> >> This has happened to a lot of the popular breeds. So if you want a >> child >> safe dog, then stay away from the popular breeds. >> >> >> Tim >> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of >> William Robb >> Sent: 31. januar 2007 15:05 >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: I gotta brag >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Bob Sullivan" Subject: Re: I gotta brag >> >> >> >>> Child friendy dogs? How about a Golden Retriever. >>> >> The number 1 biter in North America? >> The new health disaster looking for a place to happen? >> Sorry, not for me. Goldens aren't dogs they used to be. >> >> William Robb >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > > -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Not handy. Perhaps I can find an old slide when I have a minute. Paul On Feb 1, 2007, at 5:02 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: > On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Paul Stenquist wrote: > >> Best dogs I've owned were mongrels. The best of al of them was half >> English Foxhound, half German Shepherd. She was brilliant, fast and >> athletic. She could open the front gate or leap over the five-foot >> back fence. She could tell time and would come to meet me when school >> let out. Her name was Ginger, and I'll never forget her. > > Would you have a picture handy? > > Kostas > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: I gotta brag
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Best dogs I've owned were mongrels. The best of al of them was half > English Foxhound, half German Shepherd. She was brilliant, fast and > athletic. She could open the front gate or leap over the five-foot > back fence. She could tell time and would come to meet me when school > let out. Her name was Ginger, and I'll never forget her. Would you have a picture handy? Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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FWIW http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moggy > > From: Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2007/02/01 Thu AM 05:09:39 GMT > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: I gotta brag > > Tim Øsleby wrote: > > Ludvik was a mongrel (new word for me). > > Just for your future reference, Tim (and anyone else), you'll sometimes > hear British folks refer to a cat as a "moggie". My understanding is > that this is a shortened form of "mongrel". It might apply to dogs, as > well. I'm an American ... what do I know of British dialects. :-) > > -- > Thanks, > DougF (KG4LMZ) > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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William Robb wrote: > While I don't advocate euthenising non problem dogs because of their breed, > I do believe some breeds, Pitbulls being one, should be forced to extinction > via spay/neutering of every one born. That seems a particularly harsh remedy to a problem we brought upon ourselves. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 10:46:20PM -0600, William Robb wrote: > > We had a Springer for 12 years. Mostly he was a pretty laid back dog. > It's in the nature of terriers to bite, more so than any other group. > > William Robb I'd reckon Corgis to bite more than terriers. Mostly, of course, it's just a nip at the ankles to get you heading in the right direction :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Feb 1, 2007, at 12:03 PM, Bob W wrote: > I went to the zoo last week, but all they had was a dog. It was a Shih > tzu. Mark, do you have a "groaner of the year" category? - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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William Robb wrote: >> That seems a particularly harsh remedy to a problem we brought upon >> ourselves. :-) > > Hey, we played God by creating them, we have a responsibility. And, thus, the smiley. ;-> -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "Doug Franklin" Subject: Re: I gotta brag > >> While I don't advocate euthenising non problem dogs because of their >> breed, >> I do believe some breeds, Pitbulls being one, should be forced to >> extinction >> via spay/neutering of every one born. > > That seems a particularly harsh remedy to a problem we brought upon > ourselves. :-) Hey, we played God by creating them, we have a responsibility. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Tim Øsleby wrote: > Ludvik was a mongrel (new word for me). Just for your future reference, Tim (and anyone else), you'll sometimes hear British folks refer to a cat as a "moggie". My understanding is that this is a shortened form of "mongrel". It might apply to dogs, as well. I'm an American ... what do I know of British dialects. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "Bob Sullivan" Subject: Re: I gotta brag > Bill, > > I'm surprised by your statistics. > We've the same experience as Bob W. down here. > Pit bulls are notorious for having killed neighborhood kids > in the city. They are guard dogs or fighting dogs. Unfortunately, Bob, they are not natural guard dogs. This is where they problem comes from. In very general terms, a vicious pitbull has been abused into it. Having said this, I also don't think the breed in general is especially stable. While I don't advocate euthenising non problem dogs because of their breed, I do believe some breeds, Pitbulls being one, should be forced to extinction via spay/neutering of every one born. > > My best image of Goldens is from a TV documentary on > training them to become guide dogs for the blind. It was > line of 20 dogs sitting while two folks tossed a tennis > ball back and forth in the area... followed by letting one > dog get up and play with them and the ball while the > others had to stay quiet. It was an amazing display. I saw an absolutelu amazing Golden at our trial this weekend. The dog was a smallish male, only two years old, and already working for his Utility Dog. I've never seen a more focussed and eager dog than this one. It's still possible to get good ones, but I am afraid it is going to get harder and harder. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: I gotta brag > Grace sometimes sleeps in a chair with Willy, my Springer Spaniel. > And she pulls him around the house by his hair. She'll sit on him, > and of course she hugs him frequently. He sleeps in her room and > follows her around when she gets up. They're in love. I'm not sure if > he would have been a good match for a child when he was a pup. But in > old age, he's a wonderful companion for her. On the other hand, my > cute little terrier mutt, Jack, will nip at her if she gets too > physical with him. Of course I'm sure he was abused as a pup. After > all, we found him half frozen in a dumpster. He might have had some > bad experiences with small children. We had a Springer for 12 years. Mostly he was a pretty laid back dog. It's in the nature of terriers to bite, more so than any other group. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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A woman in my neighborhood trains Golden Retrievers as guide dogs for the blind. She trains about half a dozen of them every year. She always brings them by my house to see if they can ignore my crazy dogs:-). Paul On Jan 31, 2007, at 10:54 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: > Bill, > > I'm surprised by your statistics. > We've the same experience as Bob W. down here. > Pit bulls are notorious for having killed neighborhood kids > in the city. They are guard dogs or fighting dogs. > > My best image of Goldens is from a TV documentary on > training them to become guide dogs for the blind. It was > line of 20 dogs sitting while two folks tossed a tennis > ball back and forth in the area... followed by letting one > dog get up and play with them and the ball while the > others had to stay quiet. It was an amazing display. > > My son went to central Indiana for his Golden. The > breeder has guarantees about hip problems with the dogs. > We'll see how it works out. The dog is a lot bigger than > it is supposed to be (a 130 pound male) and a lot bigger > than it's parents but smart and with a sweet disposition. > > We had a cocker spaniel when I was a kid...dumb as a stump. > When I went to college, my parents got a German Shepherd. > It was a fierce dog with a big bark and wicked growl, > but smart as hell. If my Dad had it off leash in the yard, > it could bolt across the street at strangers running thru > the neighborhood.. He'd bolt after it yelling at the teens > to stop and don't move! The dog never bit anyone, but it > held many prisoners. > > We fought with the dog as a puppy wearing an old Eisenhower > jacket and later wearing an old WWII parka. The dog would bite > your arm and love it. When it got too rough, we'd say Ouch! and > the dog would let up but still fight with us. Several years later > we learned that fighting between family members was prohibited. > If my little brother and I were play fighting, the Shepherd would > stand between us and bark at one then the other. Smart dog. > > Of course, that's only my experiences with a couple of dogs. > My folks had two more German Shepherds, but neither were as > well adjusted as the first. By then, my brother and sister had > moved out of the household. > > Regards, Bob S. > > On 1/31/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Bob W" >> Subject: RE: I gotta brag >> >> >>>> >>> >>> Pit bulls are illegal in the UK, and have already killed at least 2 >>> children this year. 'Biting' can be pretty broadly defined from a >>> harmless little nip, to eating your face off, so pit bulls not being >>> in the top 20 says very little about their kindliness or otherwise. >>> >>> I was savaged by an alsatian when I was a child, and it was put down >>> as a result, so I have little faith in their kindliness either. >>> >>> Also, given that dogs like labradors are immensely popular there's >>> bound to be some statistical probability of more labrador bites than >>> pit bull bites. If there were as many pit bulls running around as >>> there are labradors I would expect the sales of tinned dog food to >>> plummet, and the streets, parks & playgrounds to be rapidly >>> culled of >>> small children. >> >> And you have a problem with this.? >> I've been teaching dog classes at a beginner level for about 8 >> years now. >> The beginner level gets all the problem animals that their owners >> are having >> trouble with. >> I get these classes because I am a big guy who can handle a big >> dog if need >> be. >> >> I have been bitten by Chihuahuas, Shi Tzus, Border Collies, >> Labradors, and >> Skiperkies. I have been threatened but not bitten by Goldens, >> Labradors, >> Border Collies, Huskies, Malamutes, Bichons, Samoyeds and Poodles. >> >> I had a Shepherd give me a dirty look one day, and I have had several >> Rotties that were downright friendly. Pit Bull Terriers tend to be >> respectful of people, but not of other dogs, I suppose it's part >> of what >> they were primarily bred for. >> >> Typically, when a child is bitten by a dog, it is because they >> have emulated >> a squeaky toy and then turned into a rabbit. >> It's funny, we street proof our kids against child molesters, >> which is >> something they are unlikely to come up against, and teach them >> nothing about >> dogs, which they are very likely to come into contact with. >> I don't have a lot of use for people that put their dogs into >> untenable >> situations, but I have even less use for parents who let their >> kids run >> around in the presence of dogs. They are begging to get them hurt. >> >> William Robb >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: I gotta brag
He looks a bit like a flat coated retriever. Tim Øsleby wrote: > Ludvik was a mongrel (new word for me). > http://www.photosight.org/photo.php?photoid=37379&ref=author > > So I have nothing against mixed breeds. The unfortunate thing is when people > choose whatever dog of same breed that's within reach, because they are > after easy money. That's the colour TV syndrome. > > > Tim > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul > Stenquist > Sent: 1. februar 2007 03:26 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: I gotta brag > > Best dogs I've owned were mongrels. The best of al of them was half > English Foxhound, half German Shepherd. She was brilliant, fast and > athletic. She could open the front gate or leap over the five-foot > back fence. She could tell time and would come to meet me when school > let out. Her name was Ginger, and I'll never forget her. > Paul > On Jan 31, 2007, at 8:17 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: > > >> I think this is the same at our side of the pond too. Unfortunately >> many >> Goldens suffer from what I call the colour TV syndrome. In early >> seventies >> when the children where nagging their parent's to buy a colour TV, the >> answer was home breeding using the neighbour dog. The result was >> often an >> odd mix of genes. >> >> This has happened to a lot of the popular breeds. So if you want a >> child >> safe dog, then stay away from the popular breeds. >> >> >> Tim >> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of >> William Robb >> Sent: 31. januar 2007 15:05 >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: I gotta brag >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Bob Sullivan" Subject: Re: I gotta brag >> >> >> >>> Child friendy dogs? How about a Golden Retriever. >>> >> The number 1 biter in North America? >> The new health disaster looking for a place to happen? >> Sorry, not for me. Goldens aren't dogs they used to be. >> >> William Robb >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > > -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Bill, I'm surprised by your statistics. We've the same experience as Bob W. down here. Pit bulls are notorious for having killed neighborhood kids in the city. They are guard dogs or fighting dogs. My best image of Goldens is from a TV documentary on training them to become guide dogs for the blind. It was line of 20 dogs sitting while two folks tossed a tennis ball back and forth in the area... followed by letting one dog get up and play with them and the ball while the others had to stay quiet. It was an amazing display. My son went to central Indiana for his Golden. The breeder has guarantees about hip problems with the dogs. We'll see how it works out. The dog is a lot bigger than it is supposed to be (a 130 pound male) and a lot bigger than it's parents but smart and with a sweet disposition. We had a cocker spaniel when I was a kid...dumb as a stump. When I went to college, my parents got a German Shepherd. It was a fierce dog with a big bark and wicked growl, but smart as hell. If my Dad had it off leash in the yard, it could bolt across the street at strangers running thru the neighborhood.. He'd bolt after it yelling at the teens to stop and don't move! The dog never bit anyone, but it held many prisoners. We fought with the dog as a puppy wearing an old Eisenhower jacket and later wearing an old WWII parka. The dog would bite your arm and love it. When it got too rough, we'd say Ouch! and the dog would let up but still fight with us. Several years later we learned that fighting between family members was prohibited. If my little brother and I were play fighting, the Shepherd would stand between us and bark at one then the other. Smart dog. Of course, that's only my experiences with a couple of dogs. My folks had two more German Shepherds, but neither were as well adjusted as the first. By then, my brother and sister had moved out of the household. Regards, Bob S. On 1/31/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Bob W" > Subject: RE: I gotta brag > > > >> > > > > Pit bulls are illegal in the UK, and have already killed at least 2 > > children this year. 'Biting' can be pretty broadly defined from a > > harmless little nip, to eating your face off, so pit bulls not being > > in the top 20 says very little about their kindliness or otherwise. > > > > I was savaged by an alsatian when I was a child, and it was put down > > as a result, so I have little faith in their kindliness either. > > > > Also, given that dogs like labradors are immensely popular there's > > bound to be some statistical probability of more labrador bites than > > pit bull bites. If there were as many pit bulls running around as > > there are labradors I would expect the sales of tinned dog food to > > plummet, and the streets, parks & playgrounds to be rapidly culled of > > small children. > > And you have a problem with this.? > I've been teaching dog classes at a beginner level for about 8 years now. > The beginner level gets all the problem animals that their owners are having > trouble with. > I get these classes because I am a big guy who can handle a big dog if need > be. > > I have been bitten by Chihuahuas, Shi Tzus, Border Collies, Labradors, and > Skiperkies. I have been threatened but not bitten by Goldens, Labradors, > Border Collies, Huskies, Malamutes, Bichons, Samoyeds and Poodles. > > I had a Shepherd give me a dirty look one day, and I have had several > Rotties that were downright friendly. Pit Bull Terriers tend to be > respectful of people, but not of other dogs, I suppose it's part of what > they were primarily bred for. > > Typically, when a child is bitten by a dog, it is because they have emulated > a squeaky toy and then turned into a rabbit. > It's funny, we street proof our kids against child molesters, which is > something they are unlikely to come up against, and teach them nothing about > dogs, which they are very likely to come into contact with. > I don't have a lot of use for people that put their dogs into untenable > situations, but I have even less use for parents who let their kids run > around in the presence of dogs. They are begging to get them hurt. > > William Robb > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Ludvik was a mongrel (new word for me). http://www.photosight.org/photo.php?photoid=37379&ref=author So I have nothing against mixed breeds. The unfortunate thing is when people choose whatever dog of same breed that's within reach, because they are after easy money. That's the colour TV syndrome. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: 1. februar 2007 03:26 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: I gotta brag Best dogs I've owned were mongrels. The best of al of them was half English Foxhound, half German Shepherd. She was brilliant, fast and athletic. She could open the front gate or leap over the five-foot back fence. She could tell time and would come to meet me when school let out. Her name was Ginger, and I'll never forget her. Paul On Jan 31, 2007, at 8:17 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: > I think this is the same at our side of the pond too. Unfortunately > many > Goldens suffer from what I call the colour TV syndrome. In early > seventies > when the children where nagging their parent's to buy a colour TV, the > answer was home breeding using the neighbour dog. The result was > often an > odd mix of genes. > > This has happened to a lot of the popular breeds. So if you want a > child > safe dog, then stay away from the popular breeds. > > > Tim > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of > William Robb > Sent: 31. januar 2007 15:05 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: I gotta brag > > > - Original Message - > From: "Bob Sullivan" Subject: Re: I gotta brag > > >> Child friendy dogs? How about a Golden Retriever. > > The number 1 biter in North America? > The new health disaster looking for a place to happen? > Sorry, not for me. Goldens aren't dogs they used to be. > > William Robb > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Best dogs I've owned were mongrels. The best of al of them was half English Foxhound, half German Shepherd. She was brilliant, fast and athletic. She could open the front gate or leap over the five-foot back fence. She could tell time and would come to meet me when school let out. Her name was Ginger, and I'll never forget her. Paul On Jan 31, 2007, at 8:17 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: > I think this is the same at our side of the pond too. Unfortunately > many > Goldens suffer from what I call the colour TV syndrome. In early > seventies > when the children where nagging their parent's to buy a colour TV, the > answer was home breeding using the neighbour dog. The result was > often an > odd mix of genes. > > This has happened to a lot of the popular breeds. So if you want a > child > safe dog, then stay away from the popular breeds. > > > Tim > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of > William Robb > Sent: 31. januar 2007 15:05 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: I gotta brag > > > - Original Message - > From: "Bob Sullivan" Subject: Re: I gotta brag > > >> Child friendy dogs? How about a Golden Retriever. > > The number 1 biter in North America? > The new health disaster looking for a place to happen? > Sorry, not for me. Goldens aren't dogs they used to be. > > William Robb > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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mike wilson wrote: >The stats I saw had no massaging. Purely number of bites and breed. >There is no way of knowing the dog population. IOW: Plenty of data but no information. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I think this is the same at our side of the pond too. Unfortunately many Goldens suffer from what I call the colour TV syndrome. In early seventies when the children where nagging their parent's to buy a colour TV, the answer was home breeding using the neighbour dog. The result was often an odd mix of genes. This has happened to a lot of the popular breeds. So if you want a child safe dog, then stay away from the popular breeds. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: 31. januar 2007 15:05 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: I gotta brag - Original Message - From: "Bob Sullivan" Subject: Re: I gotta brag > Child friendy dogs? How about a Golden Retriever. The number 1 biter in North America? The new health disaster looking for a place to happen? Sorry, not for me. Goldens aren't dogs they used to be. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Mark Roberts wrote: > mike wilson wrote: > > >>William Robb wrote: >> >> >>>From: "Bob Sullivan" Subject: Re: I gotta brag >>> >>> >>>>Child friendy dogs? How about a Golden Retriever. >>> >>>The number 1 biter in North America? >> >>Same in the UK. (Or possibly the Lab) Followed by all the other >>"friendly" dogs. Rotties, Dobermans, Alsatians and Pit Bulls are not >>in the top 20. > > > Are these figures relative to the population size (of the dogs)? > I mean, if there are 100,000 Corgis in a country and 1000 Shar Pei, one > would expect Corgi bites to outnumber Shar Pei bites 100-to-1 if they > are equally dangerous. On the other hand, if the number of actual bites > is *equal* it would mean that Shar Pei are 100 times as dangerous. > > The stats I saw had no massaging. Purely number of bites and breed. There is no way of knowing the dog population. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Grace sometimes sleeps in a chair with Willy, my Springer Spaniel. And she pulls him around the house by his hair. She'll sit on him, and of course she hugs him frequently. He sleeps in her room and follows her around when she gets up. They're in love. I'm not sure if he would have been a good match for a child when he was a pup. But in old age, he's a wonderful companion for her. On the other hand, my cute little terrier mutt, Jack, will nip at her if she gets too physical with him. Of course I'm sure he was abused as a pup. After all, we found him half frozen in a dumpster. He might have had some bad experiences with small children. Paul On Jan 31, 2007, at 5:11 PM, William Robb wrote: > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Bob W" > Subject: RE: I gotta brag > > >>> >> >> Pit bulls are illegal in the UK, and have already killed at least 2 >> children this year. 'Biting' can be pretty broadly defined from a >> harmless little nip, to eating your face off, so pit bulls not being >> in the top 20 says very little about their kindliness or otherwise. >> >> I was savaged by an alsatian when I was a child, and it was put down >> as a result, so I have little faith in their kindliness either. >> >> Also, given that dogs like labradors are immensely popular there's >> bound to be some statistical probability of more labrador bites than >> pit bull bites. If there were as many pit bulls running around as >> there are labradors I would expect the sales of tinned dog food to >> plummet, and the streets, parks & playgrounds to be rapidly culled of >> small children. > > And you have a problem with this.? > I've been teaching dog classes at a beginner level for about 8 > years now. > The beginner level gets all the problem animals that their owners > are having > trouble with. > I get these classes because I am a big guy who can handle a big dog > if need > be. > > I have been bitten by Chihuahuas, Shi Tzus, Border Collies, > Labradors, and > Skiperkies. I have been threatened but not bitten by Goldens, > Labradors, > Border Collies, Huskies, Malamutes, Bichons, Samoyeds and Poodles. > > I had a Shepherd give me a dirty look one day, and I have had several > Rotties that were downright friendly. Pit Bull Terriers tend to be > respectful of people, but not of other dogs, I suppose it's part of > what > they were primarily bred for. > > Typically, when a child is bitten by a dog, it is because they have > emulated > a squeaky toy and then turned into a rabbit. > It's funny, we street proof our kids against child molesters, which is > something they are unlikely to come up against, and teach them > nothing about > dogs, which they are very likely to come into contact with. > I don't have a lot of use for people that put their dogs into > untenable > situations, but I have even less use for parents who let their kids > run > around in the presence of dogs. They are begging to get them hurt. > > William Robb > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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> I recall reading on one of the dog forums that the breed that > has the most > bites is the Shih Tzu, but since very few of their bites are > reported, they I went to the zoo last week, but all they had was a dog. It was a Shih tzu. -- Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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mike wilson wrote: >William Robb wrote: > >> From: "Bob Sullivan" Subject: Re: I gotta brag >> >>>Child friendy dogs? How about a Golden Retriever. >> >> The number 1 biter in North America? > >Same in the UK. (Or possibly the Lab) Followed by all the other >"friendly" dogs. Rotties, Dobermans, Alsatians and Pit Bulls are not >in the top 20. Are these figures relative to the population size (of the dogs)? I mean, if there are 100,000 Corgis in a country and 1000 Shar Pei, one would expect Corgi bites to outnumber Shar Pei bites 100-to-1 if they are equally dangerous. On the other hand, if the number of actual bites is *equal* it would mean that Shar Pei are 100 times as dangerous. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "Bob W" Subject: RE: I gotta brag >> > > Pit bulls are illegal in the UK, and have already killed at least 2 > children this year. 'Biting' can be pretty broadly defined from a > harmless little nip, to eating your face off, so pit bulls not being > in the top 20 says very little about their kindliness or otherwise. > > I was savaged by an alsatian when I was a child, and it was put down > as a result, so I have little faith in their kindliness either. > > Also, given that dogs like labradors are immensely popular there's > bound to be some statistical probability of more labrador bites than > pit bull bites. If there were as many pit bulls running around as > there are labradors I would expect the sales of tinned dog food to > plummet, and the streets, parks & playgrounds to be rapidly culled of > small children. And you have a problem with this.? I've been teaching dog classes at a beginner level for about 8 years now. The beginner level gets all the problem animals that their owners are having trouble with. I get these classes because I am a big guy who can handle a big dog if need be. I have been bitten by Chihuahuas, Shi Tzus, Border Collies, Labradors, and Skiperkies. I have been threatened but not bitten by Goldens, Labradors, Border Collies, Huskies, Malamutes, Bichons, Samoyeds and Poodles. I had a Shepherd give me a dirty look one day, and I have had several Rotties that were downright friendly. Pit Bull Terriers tend to be respectful of people, but not of other dogs, I suppose it's part of what they were primarily bred for. Typically, when a child is bitten by a dog, it is because they have emulated a squeaky toy and then turned into a rabbit. It's funny, we street proof our kids against child molesters, which is something they are unlikely to come up against, and teach them nothing about dogs, which they are very likely to come into contact with. I don't have a lot of use for people that put their dogs into untenable situations, but I have even less use for parents who let their kids run around in the presence of dogs. They are begging to get them hurt. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Bob W wrote: >>> Child friendy dogs? How about a Golden Retriever. >>> >>> >>>The number 1 biter in North America? >> >>Same in the UK. (Or possibly the Lab) Followed by all the other >>"friendly" dogs. Rotties, Dobermans, Alsatians and Pit Bulls >>are not in >>the top 20. >> > > > Pit bulls are illegal in the UK, and have already killed at least 2 > children this year. 'Biting' can be pretty broadly defined from a > harmless little nip, to eating your face off, so pit bulls not being > in the top 20 says very little about their kindliness or otherwise. > > I was savaged by an alsatian when I was a child, and it was put down > as a result, so I have little faith in their kindliness either. > > Also, given that dogs like labradors are immensely popular there's > bound to be some statistical probability of more labrador bites than > pit bull bites. If there were as many pit bulls running around as > there are labradors I would expect the sales of tinned dog food to > plummet, and the streets, parks & playgrounds to be rapidly culled of > small children. I'll rephrase it to "pit bull lookalikes". It's a combination of popularity, percieved placidity and parental control that produces the statistic. I haven't seen one for a while but I believe it was _all_ reported (presumably to the Police) dog attacks. In that circumstance, I suspect that the level of "family dog" incidents is underrepresented, as people are unlikely to report their own dog. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Undoubtedly. Combined with the two parental options. "Play with the nice doggie" and "Get away from that monster". [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Isn't this a function of how many Goldens and Labs are out there? Statistics > can be misleading. > Paul > -- Original message -- > From: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>William Robb wrote: >> >> >>>----- Original Message - >>>From: "Bob Sullivan" Subject: Re: I gotta brag >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Child friendy dogs? How about a Golden Retriever. >>> >>> >>>The number 1 biter in North America? >> >>Same in the UK. (Or possibly the Lab) Followed by all the other >>"friendly" dogs. Rotties, Dobermans, Alsatians and Pit Bulls are not in >>the top 20. >> >>-- >>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>PDML@pdml.net >>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: I gotta brag > Isn't this a function of how many Goldens and Labs are out there? > Statistics can be misleading. It's based on reported bites. If you check the numbers, you'll find that there are a lot of Rotties and GSD's out there. Golden's bite numbers are way higher than either of those breeds based on population % numbers as well. I recall reading on one of the dog forums that the breed that has the most bites is the Shih Tzu, but since very few of their bites are reported, they don't make the list. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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> > > > > >>Child friendy dogs? How about a Golden Retriever. > > > > > > The number 1 biter in North America? > > Same in the UK. (Or possibly the Lab) Followed by all the other > "friendly" dogs. Rotties, Dobermans, Alsatians and Pit Bulls > are not in > the top 20. > Pit bulls are illegal in the UK, and have already killed at least 2 children this year. 'Biting' can be pretty broadly defined from a harmless little nip, to eating your face off, so pit bulls not being in the top 20 says very little about their kindliness or otherwise. I was savaged by an alsatian when I was a child, and it was put down as a result, so I have little faith in their kindliness either. Also, given that dogs like labradors are immensely popular there's bound to be some statistical probability of more labrador bites than pit bull bites. If there were as many pit bulls running around as there are labradors I would expect the sales of tinned dog food to plummet, and the streets, parks & playgrounds to be rapidly culled of small children. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Isn't this a function of how many Goldens and Labs are out there? Statistics can be misleading. Paul -- Original message -- From: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > William Robb wrote: > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Bob Sullivan" Subject: Re: I gotta brag > > > > > > > >>Child friendy dogs? How about a Golden Retriever. > > > > > > The number 1 biter in North America? > > Same in the UK. (Or possibly the Lab) Followed by all the other > "friendly" dogs. Rotties, Dobermans, Alsatians and Pit Bulls are not in > the top 20. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Bob Sullivan" Subject: Re: I gotta brag > > > >>Child friendy dogs? How about a Golden Retriever. > > > The number 1 biter in North America? Same in the UK. (Or possibly the Lab) Followed by all the other "friendly" dogs. Rotties, Dobermans, Alsatians and Pit Bulls are not in the top 20. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "Christian" Subject: Re: I gotta brag > I don't have a dog now because the ONLY dog I will get will be another > GSP and I just don't have the space or time for one right now. My parents' neighbour kept GSPs. They were excellent dogs, and were very good with the kids. They were also very high drive animals that required a lot of exercise. It's sad what they have done to Goldens, they have gone from being a great dog to one that will probably break your heart in very short order. Hip and elbow displasia are really common, and they are now prone to early heart failure, and a host of other genetic problems. It boils down to making sure your breeder has done his homework, and at the very least, the sire and dam should have eye, hip and elbow clearances. Any breeder that tells you he isn't having health problems in his program either hasn't been at it for long, or is a liar. It doesn't matter how reputable the breeder is, there are going to be problems in any breed of dog now. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Bob Sullivan" Subject: Re: I gotta brag > > >> Child friendy dogs? How about a Golden Retriever. > > The number 1 biter in North America? > The new health disaster looking for a place to happen? > Sorry, not for me. Goldens aren't dogs they used to be. > The scourge of being popular. Labradors, Goldens, Cocker Spaniels, Dalmatians... Once the popularity hits, the breed is pretty much done. you CAN still get good dogs from good breeders, but most of the dogs in these breeds come from people thinking it would be "fun" or "cute" to have a litter of puppies. I had a German Shorthaired Pointer that came from fantastic breeding (his grandfather was the top GSP in the country the year my dog was born). I was both excited and dismayed to see a GSP win the Westminster dog show a year or so ago. Excited because GSPs are "real" dogs :-) not fru-fru ankle biters, and the bitch that one was gorgeous and would lock into this perfect pose. Dismayed because the breed's popularity would most likely increase and the wrong people would be getting and breeding them for the wrong reason. A few years ago the "Today" show was filming in the Chesapeake Bay area for history, tourism, etc. and they interviewed a breeder and hunter of Chesapeake Bay Retrievers. The reporter was very enthusiastic about the breed as the dogs were leaping off a dock into very cold water to retrieve dummies, and her last question was "Do they make good pets?" Without hesitation the breeder/hunter said "No" and explained that because they are bred for hunting they require way more work than the average family is able/willing to give. The same goes for any "real" hunting breed (including GSPs). Golden retrievers have pretty much lost the hunting edge and have become in-bred fluffy family dogs with too much energy for their owners and, as Bill said, a health disaster. I don't have a dog now because the ONLY dog I will get will be another GSP and I just don't have the space or time for one right now. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "Bob Sullivan" Subject: Re: I gotta brag > Child friendy dogs? How about a Golden Retriever. The number 1 biter in North America? The new health disaster looking for a place to happen? Sorry, not for me. Goldens aren't dogs they used to be. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Child friendy dogs? How about a Golden Retriever. 25 years ago, the Judge next door had a Golden. It was smart and mischevious, but very kid friendly. The Judge and his wife were in their 60's, so the dog would run away (escape) to the local grade school for a visit with kids. Of course, the police had to take the dog into custody and remove it. The Judge got several calls on the bench. :-( We have pictures of my oldest child as a two year old, sitting on this dog as if to ride it. Of course, he has a Golden Retriever today as a happy memory of the old dog next door. It's a very happy and friendly animal. They have no children, but the dog plays with any neighbor's kids. Regards, Bob S. On 1/30/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Scott Loveless" Subject: Re: I gotta brag > > > > On 1/30/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> We have found that three dogs is the right number of dogs. One dog is > >> rarely > >> the right number, two dogs is generally not right either. > >> A happy dog has other dogs in the family. > >> > > Durn. I always wanted a St. Bernard. Might as well buy horses with > > what it's gonna cost to feed three of them. > > Any dog may get along well as an only animal, but my experience is that one > has feer behavioural problems when multiple dogs are present. One tends to > act as a foil for the other. Three seems good because if one gets anoyed, > the other two will generally amuse each other. > > > > > I had a malamute when I was in high school. She was a wonderful dog. > > Wanderlust was a problem. She'd disappear for a few days every month > > or so. Gave me fits, but she always came home. That breed is a > > little on the irritable side in general, and mine didn't much care for > > small children who couldn't take a hint. Got any recommendations for > > a low key breed that gets along well with small kids? > > If you want a smaller dog, either a Couton or Havanese might be worth a > look. > Wheaton Terriers also seem to get along well with kids, and are a bit > bigger. > Staffordshire Terriers (not Pitbull or AmStaff Terriers, which are an > American invention of dubious worth) are also good with kids, and were, in > fact, known as Nanny's dogs in Victorian times. > The Mastiff breeds also tend to be good dogs with kids, although because of > the size of them, can accidentally hurt a child without meaning harm. > I am as inclined to look at the individual temperment as well as breed > temperment when choosing a dog, and would advise this especially when > choosing a dog that will need to interact successfully with children. > Stay away from breeds which tend to be dominant (Shih Tzus are a good > example), or dogs from a breeder who breeds eitherShutzund or > police/military dogs. > Belgian Shephers might be a good dog to look into, apparently they are quite > child friendly, and a smallish female will be less than 50 pounds/22 inches. > Male vs. female is a toss up. I would tend to go for a female with kids, but > a calm and stalwart male can also be a good choice. > My neice, when she was about 6, taught my Rotties to let her ride them. I > think Rollei would have died for her, but he was a very easy going boy. > Leica, as easy going as she is, doesn't suffer fools, which makes her a bit > less able to tolerate children, though she has never shown anything other > than infinite patience for them. > > William Robb > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Tue, 30 Jan 2007, William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Scott Loveless" Subject: Re: I gotta brag > >> On 1/30/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> small children who couldn't take a hint. Got any recommendations for >> a low key breed that gets along well with small kids? > > If you want a smaller dog, I will have a look at your suggestions for my own interest later, thanks William. Half my lifetime ago (maybe more) we researched the matter. My recollection is that Bulldog (my personal favourites along with German Shepherds) and Boxer are very affectionate and good with children, but we were inexperienced and afraid of the combination with their strength), and also they were generally pricey. We ended up with a Spaniel, no pedigree, which was offered as a Spaniel Field. We never researched it further as we were just loking for a companion. He lived for 14-15 years and we did love him, but not in the way this dog required. We are still heart-broken, esp. when discussing his end of old age, but I don't think anyone in the family will ever own a dog again. People's mileage thankfully varies a lot from ours. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "Scott Loveless" Subject: Re: I gotta brag > On 1/30/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> We have found that three dogs is the right number of dogs. One dog is >> rarely >> the right number, two dogs is generally not right either. >> A happy dog has other dogs in the family. >> > Durn. I always wanted a St. Bernard. Might as well buy horses with > what it's gonna cost to feed three of them. Any dog may get along well as an only animal, but my experience is that one has feer behavioural problems when multiple dogs are present. One tends to act as a foil for the other. Three seems good because if one gets anoyed, the other two will generally amuse each other. > > I had a malamute when I was in high school. She was a wonderful dog. > Wanderlust was a problem. She'd disappear for a few days every month > or so. Gave me fits, but she always came home. That breed is a > little on the irritable side in general, and mine didn't much care for > small children who couldn't take a hint. Got any recommendations for > a low key breed that gets along well with small kids? If you want a smaller dog, either a Couton or Havanese might be worth a look. Wheaton Terriers also seem to get along well with kids, and are a bit bigger. Staffordshire Terriers (not Pitbull or AmStaff Terriers, which are an American invention of dubious worth) are also good with kids, and were, in fact, known as Nanny's dogs in Victorian times. The Mastiff breeds also tend to be good dogs with kids, although because of the size of them, can accidentally hurt a child without meaning harm. I am as inclined to look at the individual temperment as well as breed temperment when choosing a dog, and would advise this especially when choosing a dog that will need to interact successfully with children. Stay away from breeds which tend to be dominant (Shih Tzus are a good example), or dogs from a breeder who breeds eitherShutzund or police/military dogs. Belgian Shephers might be a good dog to look into, apparently they are quite child friendly, and a smallish female will be less than 50 pounds/22 inches. Male vs. female is a toss up. I would tend to go for a female with kids, but a calm and stalwart male can also be a good choice. My neice, when she was about 6, taught my Rotties to let her ride them. I think Rollei would have died for her, but he was a very easy going boy. Leica, as easy going as she is, doesn't suffer fools, which makes her a bit less able to tolerate children, though she has never shown anything other than infinite patience for them. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 1/30/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We have found that three dogs is the right number of dogs. One dog is rarely > the right number, two dogs is generally not right either. > A happy dog has other dogs in the family. > Durn. I always wanted a St. Bernard. Might as well buy horses with what it's gonna cost to feed three of them. I had a malamute when I was in high school. She was a wonderful dog. Wanderlust was a problem. She'd disappear for a few days every month or so. Gave me fits, but she always came home. That breed is a little on the irritable side in general, and mine didn't much care for small children who couldn't take a hint. Got any recommendations for a low key breed that gets along well with small kids? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "Tim Øsleby" Subject: RE: I gotta brag > Both of you have every reason to brag :-) > > BTW. I had another how-about-getting-a-rottie talk with my beloved. She is > still sceptical about them, but now I have convinced her to go to a > "puppet > maker" (I don't bother to look up the proper word for it), and have a > closer > look at them. So she is swaying :-) European breeding is very different from North American breeding, so be aware. My breed atitudes are driven by what I know, which is North American breedings. The European (German) bred dogs tend to be a bit more aggressive in nature. This is not to imply they are unfriendly, but definitely more strong willed. North Americans in general want teddy bears, so that is what we tend to breed for. If you want an easy to live with dog, ask your breeder for one of his lower drive animals. We have found that three dogs is the right number of dogs. One dog is rarely the right number, two dogs is generally not right either. A happy dog has other dogs in the family. William Robb William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I love the pix of him as a baby, Bill. Congratulations! :) Amita On 1/29/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We had the annual obedience trial at the old dog club this weekend. > My little Rottie puppy won a PCD title in three trials, and qualified in all > four trials. > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/brag/jester_pcd.html > > Pentax content: > K10D 40/2.8 LTD. > > William Robb > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Both of you have every reason to brag :-) BTW. I had another how-about-getting-a-rottie talk with my beloved. She is still sceptical about them, but now I have convinced her to go to a "puppet maker" (I don't bother to look up the proper word for it), and have a closer look at them. So she is swaying :-) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: 29. januar 2007 15:50 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: I gotta brag We had the annual obedience trial at the old dog club this weekend. My little Rottie puppy won a PCD title in three trials, and qualified in all four trials. http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/brag/jester_pcd.html Pentax content: K10D 40/2.8 LTD. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "Norm Baugher" Subject: Re: I gotta brag > Bitchin' > Norm Thanks Norm. I gotta stop looking like I just came off a jobsite for these things. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Bitchin' Norm William Robb wrote: > We had the annual obedience trial at the old dog club this weekend. > My little Rottie puppy won a PCD title in three trials, and qualified in all > four trials. > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/brag/jester_pcd.html > > Pentax content: > K10D 40/2.8 LTD. > > William Robb > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "wendy beard" Subject: Re: I gotta brag > Congrats, Bill. Well done the pair of you! > > Wendy > p.s. > just been looking through his baby album. This is hilarious! > > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/fellas/page2/_IGP1562.jpg Ban the leghold trap!!! Thanks everyone for looking, and for the congrats. The PCD title is ike graduating kindergarten, but I'm still really proud of the little guy. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Poorly lit, washed out, only good looking thing in the pic is the doggie - oh wait, YOU didn't TAKE the photo - evermin. Har! seriously, Congrats -- I think it is really nice the Jester managed to train you so quickly ann William Robb wrote: >We had the annual obedience trial at the old dog club this weekend. >My little Rottie puppy won a PCD title in three trials, and qualified in all >four trials. >http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/brag/jester_pcd.html > >Pentax content: >K10D 40/2.8 LTD. > >William Robb > > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Congrats, Bill. Well done the pair of you! Wendy p.s. just been looking through his baby album. This is hilarious! http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/fellas/page2/_IGP1562.jpg On 1/29/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We had the annual obedience trial at the old dog club this weekend. > My little Rottie puppy won a PCD title in three trials, and qualified in all > four trials. > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/brag/jester_pcd.html > > Pentax content: > K10D 40/2.8 LTD. > > William Robb > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 29/1/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: >We had the annual obedience trial at the old dog club this weekend. >My little Rottie puppy won a PCD title in three trials, and qualified in all >four trials. >http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/brag/jester_pcd.html Whe-hey. Nice one to you both. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 1/29/07, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/29/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We had the annual obedience trial at the old dog club this weekend. > > My little Rottie puppy won a PCD title in three trials, and qualified in all > > four trials. > > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/brag/jester_pcd.html > > > Congrats, Bill. That is one good looking doggie. I'm guessing you > didn't qualify in any of the obedience trials, did you? Bill seems a bit too headstrong to qualify... -- -- Cheers, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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We had the annual obedience trial at the old dog club this weekend. My little Rottie puppy won a PCD title in three trials, and qualified in all four trials. - That's great, Bill. Congratulations. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 1/29/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We had the annual obedience trial at the old dog club this weekend. > My little Rottie puppy won a PCD title in three trials, and qualified in all > four trials. > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/brag/jester_pcd.html > Congrats, Bill. That is one good looking doggie. I'm guessing you didn't qualify in any of the obedience trials, did you? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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William Robb wrote: > We had the annual obedience trial at the old dog club this weekend. > My little Rottie puppy won a PCD title in three trials, and qualified in all > four trials. > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/brag/jester_pcd.html > > Pentax content: > K10D 40/2.8 LTD. > > William Robb Here I thought Foster Brooks was dead, but apparently he's just in Canada. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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That's a good boy! -Brendan --- William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We had the annual obedience trial at the old dog > club this weekend. > My little Rottie puppy won a PCD title in three > trials, and qualified in all > four trials. > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/brag/jester_pcd.html > > Pentax content: > K10D 40/2.8 LTD. > > William Robb > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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William Robb wrote: >We had the annual obedience trial at the old dog club this weekend. >My little Rottie puppy won a PCD title in three trials, and qualified in all >four trials. >http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/brag/jester_pcd.html Very cool. I was thinking about you and Jester this weekend in Rochester when a friend brought both his rotties to a party I was at. His dogs are pretty big and intimidating but very sociable. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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All of the Rotties I've ever met were just big babies. As Cesar Millan says, "the difference between a good dog and a bad dog is the owner". Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:22 AM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: I gotta brag On 1/29/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We had the annual obedience trial at the old dog club this weekend. > My little Rottie puppy won a PCD title in three trials, and qualified in all > four trials. > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/brag/jester_pcd.html > > Pentax content: > K10D 40/2.8 LTD. > > William Robb Congrats! They still look sort of mean to me, as a breed, I mean. But then I am a dog wimp. Marnie aka Doe :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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A hearty congratulations, Bill! -- Bruce Monday, January 29, 2007, 6:49:34 AM, you wrote: WR> We had the annual obedience trial at the old dog club this weekend. WR> My little Rottie puppy won a PCD title in three trials, and qualified in all WR> four trials. WR> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/brag/jester_pcd.html WR> Pentax content: WR> K10D 40/2.8 LTD. WR> William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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William Robb wrote: > We had the annual obedience trial at the old dog club this weekend. > My little Rottie puppy won a PCD title in three trials, and qualified in all > four trials. > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/brag/jester_pcd.html Nice pooch. Congrats, Bill -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 1/29/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We had the annual obedience trial at the old dog club this weekend. > My little Rottie puppy won a PCD title in three trials, and qualified in all > four trials. > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/brag/jester_pcd.html > > Pentax content: > K10D 40/2.8 LTD. > > William Robb Congrats! They still look sort of mean to me, as a breed, I mean. But then I am a dog wimp. Marnie aka Doe :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Good stuff, congratulations. G On Jan 29, 2007, at 6:49 AM, William Robb wrote: > We had the annual obedience trial at the old dog club this weekend. > My little Rottie puppy won a PCD title in three trials, and > qualified in all > four trials. > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/brag/jester_pcd.html > > Pentax content: K10D 40/2.8 LTD. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Terrific for the present and for future puppies$. ;-)) Jack --- William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We had the annual obedience trial at the old dog club this weekend. > My little Rottie puppy won a PCD title in three trials, and qualified > in all > four trials. > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/brag/jester_pcd.html > > Pentax content: > K10D 40/2.8 LTD. > > William Robb > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Congrats... There is certain nobility in the way your dog is posing for the shot ;-). On 1/29/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We had the annual obedience trial at the old dog club this weekend. > My little Rottie puppy won a PCD title in three trials, and qualified in all > four trials. > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/brag/jester_pcd.html > > Pentax content: > K10D 40/2.8 LTD. > > William Robb > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "Kostas Kavoussanakis" Subject: Re: I gotta brag >> Pentax content: >> K10D 40/2.8 LTD. > > And the flash? > Har. AF-540FGZ William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Mon, 29 Jan 2007, William Robb wrote: > We had the annual obedience trial at the old dog club this weekend. > My little Rottie puppy won a PCD title in three trials, and qualified in all > four trials. > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/brag/jester_pcd.html Well done! > Pentax content: > K10D 40/2.8 LTD. And the flash? Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Congratulations to both of you! Paul -- Original message -- From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > We had the annual obedience trial at the old dog club this weekend. > My little Rottie puppy won a PCD title in three trials, and qualified in all > four trials. > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/brag/jester_pcd.html > > Pentax content: > K10D 40/2.8 LTD. > > William Robb > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
