Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy
On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 at 15:27:49 -0600, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] held forth, quoting Shel Belinkoff in his Creature's Comfort guise: Just so we're all clear about this: the PUG submission must be made with a Pentax brand camera and a Pentax brand lens - no third party zooms, no Ricoh bodies with Pentax lenses, etc. Pentax bodies and Pentax lenses only. Correct? I think we are going to discuss this further. What do you think we should do here?? There seem to be various levels of restrictiveness you might reasonably consider: 1. Most general: any equipment at all: Canon, Nikon, whatever. 2. Next: any M42 or K-mount equipment (i.e. Pentax-compatible, thus including 6x7, 645, and Auto 110 compatible equipment. Have I missed anything? 3. Next: body *or* lens must be Pentax branded 4. Next: Body must be Pentax; or, alternatively, lens must be Pentax 5. Last and most restrictive: body *and* lens must be Pentax. WRT #3-5, what do we do about lenses made by Pentax but branded as Cosmicar? What about lenses branded as Pentax but made by Tamron? I plump for #2: both body and lens must be Pentax-brand *or* Pentax-compatible. Reasoning: the purpose of the gallery is to show what people are doing with Pentax equipment. An LX with a Vivitar macro demonstrates Pentax equipment usage, but also an alternative in lenses; a Ricoh body with a 77mm Limited lens demonstrates Pentax equipment usage, but also an alternative in bodies. How can we then reject the same Ricoh body with the same Vivitar lens? Both demonstrate alternatives for Pentax users. This business of showing off the results of other-brand lenses is especially important, I think, in view of the Pentax system's backward compatibility. There are a devil of a lot of older lenses that are still usable, and seeing how well they work is more than a little valuable. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy
On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 20:27:29 -0700, you wrote: The way I understand your definition is that I can use a Leica and Leica glass since the Leica takes Pentax lenses, and a Leica lens would be compatible with the Pentax-compatible camera body. Would a Ricoh with a K-mount Lentar lens and a Vivitar flash be considered acceptable, as both the camera and lens, although not Pentax, are both Pentax-compatible? What about Pentax lenses converted to Nikon mount (which has been done more than once) using a Nikon body? I've just read the guidelines, which I quote below: Submissions must have been made using Pentax PS, Digital, 6x7, 645, K-Mount or M-42 screw mount camera equipment. Third party equipment is welcome if it is Pentax compatible, and either the body or lens is Asahi/Pentax. I am now very comfortable with the guidelines above. They fit my idea of a Pentax Users Gallery very well. -- Happy Trails, Texdance http://members.fortunecity.com/texdance http://members1.clubphoto.com/john8202 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy
Just so we're all clear about this: the PUG submission must be made with a Pentax brand camera and a Pentax brand lens - no third party zooms, no Ricoh bodies with Pentax lenses, etc. Pentax bodies and Pentax lenses only. Correct? William Robb wrote: changed the submission criteria slightly. We will no longer be publishing submissions taken with non Pentax cameras and lenses. -- Sheldon Belinkoff CREATURE'S COMFORT mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy
- Original Message - From: Creature's Comfort Subject: Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy Just so we're all clear about this: the PUG submission must be made with a Pentax brand camera and a Pentax brand lens - no third party zooms, no Ricoh bodies with Pentax lenses, etc. Pentax bodies and Pentax lenses only. Correct? I think we are going to discuss this further. What do you think we should do here?? William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy
William Robb wrote: I think we are going to discuss this further. What do you think we should do here?? I'm in favor of a purely Pentax gallery. There are many places where one can use other brands of cameras and lenses. Many people have their own web sites and home pages, and there are many opportunities to post photos in other public galleries. IMO, the idea of the Pentax gallery is to showcase what Pentax users can do with their Pentax equipment. If I want to post a picture I've made with a Leica, I'll swing over to one of the leica galleries. However, my position does not, of course, preclude one from showing their work here, via links to web sites and home pages, made with other equipment. -- Sheldon Belinkoff CREATURE'S COMFORT mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy
As always I try to adhere by the rules, but I must disagree with the new guidelines. It will be far removed from a relaxed atmosphere as it was with the previous guidelines of Pentax lens or body. Since all the bodies I own are Pentax, and a good lot of Pentax glass, I would hate to be excluded because of third party glass, but if that`s the way it`s going to be, so be it, but I`m not happy about it. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:54 PM Subject: More Yipping from the PUG Guy I have to get away from this computer.. I have had another look at the PUG Gallery submission guidelines, and after conferring with past maintainers have changed the submission criteria slightly. We will no longer be publishing submissions taken with non Pentax cameras and lenses. Please take a few moments to refamiliarize yourselves with the submission guidelines at: http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html and http://pug.komkon.org/general/submit.html Thank you William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy
Submissions must have been made using Pentax camera equipment. Submissions identifed as being taken with non Pentax equipment will not be displayed in the PUG. Bill, Can you please clear something up for me? The quote above is from the web page. The quote below is from your email: We will no longer be publishing submissions taken with non Pentax cameras and lenses. Does this mean that if I submit a shot taken with an LX and a Tokina lens, it will NOT qualify? Does this mean that if I submit a shot with a (say) Ricoh and Pentax lens, it will NOT qualify? I own several Pentax bodies, and yet only two Pentax lenses, an A*85mm f1.4 and a SMC-M 28 2.8. The rest of my 6 lenses are third party make. Does this mean that either I will have to A/ submit only pics taken with a Pentax camera and a pentax lens? B/ submit a pic and withhold information that might otherwise cause the pic to be disqualified? C/ submit a pic and lie about certain equipment used (should I wish to continue to submit pics to the PUG). A bit of guidance please sir. Cheers, Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy
Artur Ledschowski said: However, I support the idea to exclude any non-K-mount equipment from the exhibition. Uh, speaking of not throwing out the baby with the bathwater, let's keep the Pentax 645, Pentax 67, and M42 equipment in the running, along with Pentax PS. And isn't there at least one list member with pre-M42 (and therefore also pre-Pentax-name) Asahi gear? -- Glenn - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: More Yipping from the PUG Guy
Submissions must have been made using Pentax camera equipment. Submissions identifed as being taken with non Pentax equipment will not be displayed in the PUG. I assume submissions taken with non Pentax equipment are so easily recognised as being of lesser quality, that it is possible to identify them as being taken with non Pentax equipment. Interesting... Frits - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy | Artur Ledschowski said: | However, I support | the idea to exclude any non-K-mount equipment from the exhibition. | | Uh, speaking of not throwing out the baby with the bathwater, | let's keep the Pentax 645, Pentax 67, and M42 equipment in | the running, along with Pentax PS. And isn't there at least | one list member with pre-M42 (and therefore also pre-Pentax-name) | Asahi gear? I meant, of course, only 35mm stuff, obviously forgetting about any other format. My mistake and sorry for that. I'm, however, somehow excused for that, becouse the problem with non-Pentax equipment relates mostly to the 35mm format. :) And I also forgot about PS cameras - but just because I never use them:) Greetz Artur - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy
I would be up for limiting the PUG submissions to current PDML subscribers. That you could automate. Just compare the submission to the mailing list. I the submitter is not there, just send a rejection form back to them with a rejection. This list is in my opinion no longer supported by Pentax, so it should be run for the benefit of the subscribers. Since it is no longer a Pentax USA thing I see no real reason to limit it exclusively to Pentax gear, but I do see a real reason to limit it to list members. --graywolf (Tom) William Robb wrote: I have to get away from this computer.. I have had another look at the PUG Gallery submission guidelines, and after conferring with past maintainers have changed the submission criteria slightly. We will no longer be publishing submissions taken with non Pentax cameras and lenses. Please take a few moments to refamiliarize yourselves with the submission guidelines at: http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html and http://pug.komkon.org/general/submit.html Thank you William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- Tom Graywolf Rittenhouse Graywolf Photo, Charlotte, NC, USA -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy
On 31 Aug 2001, at 14:54, William Robb wrote: I have to get away from this computer.. I have had another look at the PUG Gallery submission guidelines, and after conferring with past maintainers have changed the submission criteria slightly. We will no longer be publishing submissions taken with non Pentax cameras and lenses. Please take a few moments to refamiliarize yourselves with the submission guidelines at: http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html and http://pug.komkon.org/general/submit.html Looks fine to me, I humbly suggest that point #9 be updated to include Pentax 645 and 67 equipment, and PS? Cheers! Brian - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy
I would say as long as the picture is taken with a Pentax camera or Pentax lens or both, it should qualify. On Friday 31 August 2001 16:27, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Creature's Comfort Subject: Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy Just so we're all clear about this: the PUG submission must be made with a Pentax brand camera and a Pentax brand lens - no third party zooms, no Ricoh bodies with Pentax lenses, etc. Pentax bodies and Pentax lenses only. Correct? I think we are going to discuss this further. What do you think we should do here?? William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- Kenneth Archer + San Antonio, Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ #24980801 Powered by Linux ++ Mailed by Kmail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy
On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:27:49 -0600, you wrote: I think we are going to discuss this further. What do you think we should do here?? William Robb I *don't* think we should limit the Pentax Users Gallery to photographs taken using only Pentax. brand lenses, cameras, and accessories. Instead, I suggest a guideline of A gallery for users of Pentax brand and Pentax-compatible photo gear. Don't adopt a narrow definition of Pentax User. We'd lose one of the best parts of being a Pentax user, which is the extensive selection of lenses and bodies spanning many years, many manufacturers, and even many formats. So PUGsters should leave out the Nikon and Canon and Minolta and Holga and RB67 shots, but feel free to submit photos taken with Pentax-compatible third-party lenses, bodies, flash, etc. - which I suppose now includes Leica since the Pentax Limited lenses are sold in Leica mount. -- John Mustarde - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: More Yipping from the PUG Guy
I have had situations where I submitted an image while I was temporarily unsubscribed due to list volume conflicting with my e-mail quota. -Original Message- From: Tom Rittenhouse [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy I would be up for limiting the PUG submissions to current PDML subscribers. That you could automate. Just compare the submission to the mailing list. I the submitter is not there, just send a rejection form back to them with a rejection. This list is in my opinion no longer supported by Pentax, so it should be run for the benefit of the subscribers. Since it is no longer a Pentax USA thing I see no real reason to limit it exclusively to Pentax gear, but I do see a real reason to limit it to list members. --graywolf (Tom) William Robb wrote: I have to get away from this computer.. I have had another look at the PUG Gallery submission guidelines, and after conferring with past maintainers have changed the submission criteria slightly. We will no longer be publishing submissions taken with non Pentax cameras and lenses. Please take a few moments to refamiliarize yourselves with the submission guidelines at: http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html and http://pug.komkon.org/general/submit.html Thank you William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- Tom Graywolf Rittenhouse Graywolf Photo, Charlotte, NC, USA -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy
In the past, third party lenses have always been okay. Ditto Pentax lenses on other bodies. I don't see any reason to be more exclusionary than we have been. Paul Stenquist Creature's Comfort wrote: Just so we're all clear about this: the PUG submission must be made with a Pentax brand camera and a Pentax brand lens - no third party zooms, no Ricoh bodies with Pentax lenses, etc. Pentax bodies and Pentax lenses only. Correct? William Robb wrote: changed the submission criteria slightly. We will no longer be publishing submissions taken with non Pentax cameras and lenses. -- Sheldon Belinkoff CREATURE'S COMFORT mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy
Right, here's my 2 cents worth: My favourite kind of shots are macros- come to think of it, 90% of the photos I take are macros. I use Pentax bodies with a Tamron 90/2.8 macro lens (bought a couple of years earlier when life was a lot harder and the Pentax 100/2.8 was something I could only dream about) I think it's a little unfair that I should be left out of the gallery because circumstances forced me to go third party; on the other hand, I can see that putting up the gallery month after month is an enormous task and the people who do this have every right to stipulate what can go in. My present PUG entry is taken with a Kodak PS digital. I hope my entry didn't have anything to do with sparking this off as I had checked the submission guidelines very carefully before submitting. RK - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy
In a message dated 8/31/01 2:24:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subject: Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy That's crazy. We enjoy Pentax cameras and lenses but give me a break. Third party lens makers are an important part of most photographer's arsenals. I for one own two Tokina ATX lenses that I consider better than anything Pentax makes in that size (Tokina 100-300F4 ATX and 90F2.5 macro). I don't write down what lens I use to take a picture, it's not that important to me. i use a Pentax camera and the best lens I can to get the picture. it's the picture that counts not the lens used to take it... I can undertstand that all pics be taken with a pentax camera but you won't convince me on the lenses vic - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
