Re: Which Monitor Color Calibration device?
OK, here are my recommendations for purchasing a monitor profiling and calibration setup: First decide what your goals are: how will you be using your computer and associated imaging software? Consider two extremes: The most basic is someone just browsing the web looking at photographs and posting their own, wanting to be pretty sure they're seeing what the image is "supposed" to look like (within the limitations of their monitor. The most critical is someone making large, expensive fine art prints through a geographically distant service bureau. In the former case the cheapest hardware and most basic software will suffice just fine. In the latter example an expensive, high end setup is pretty much essential - the print buyer or gallery is going to be very demanding of print quality and the cost (and time delay) of getting a print re-done will be absolutely unacceptable. Most of us fall somewhere in the middle: We have high quality monitors and make our own inkjet prints at least occasionally. The frequency with which we print, the typical size of the prints and their end use (show to friends/hang on wall/sell commercially/show in gallery) will determine how close to either end of the quality spectrum we want to go when purchasing a profiling/calibration kit. Even preparing images for a book isn't as critical as the outsourced-fine-art-printing scenario I chose as the high end example, because time delay (usually) isn't as critical and proof copies can be run at a reasonable price (and include all images in the publication). After evaluating your needs step 2 is to buy a profiling/calibration kit that's a little better than you think you'll need. That'll allow some breathing room for monitor upgrades and changes in your output needs. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which Monitor Color Calibration device?
On 09/08/2011 6:09 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I believe I'm just a little bit less bright than the default setting, This explains much. HAR! -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which Monitor Color Calibration device?
On Aug 9, 2011, at 8:09 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> I believe I'm just a little bit less bright than the default setting, ... > Paul > I sometimes feel that way myself. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> >> On 2011-08-03 09:10 , Igor Roshchin wrote: >>> >> >> the Spyder 3 Express has an attractive price, but i'm put off by notes that >> none of the Spiders read or adjust luminance; can anyone address how much >> that might matter? >> The lack of a luminance adjustment hasn't mattered to me, and I wonder if I'm better off without it. I do the color calibration with the Spyder 2 Express, and adjust luminance so that I achieve a correct print when the luminance appears to be right on my monitor. The Spyder software does include a grayscale that at least gets you in the ballpark, and I found that the default luminance on an IMac 27 was also close to correct. I believe I'm just a little bit less bright than the default setting, and I'm just right for printing and apparently fine for web display as well. Paul >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > > -- > Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > York Region, Ontario, Canada > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:05 PM, steve harley wrote: > On 2011-08-03 09:10 , Igor Roshchin wrote: >> >> What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer >> displays would you recommend? (For Windows - XP and Win7, - if that >> matters) >> I am looking for something that would be reasonable - both in >> functionality (quality, convenience of use) and price. >> >> I heard mostly about Spyder. But then even Spyder seems to have >> several variations (Datacolor DC S3P100 Spyder 3 Pro, Datacolor DC >> S3EL100 Spyder 3 Elite, Datacolor DC S3X100 Spyder 3 Express). > > i've been shopping for a calibrator too; i have what i think is the the > original Spyder, but i haven't found software that will drive it on Mac OS X > 10.5 or above I ran my original spyder on my iMac and it seems to have worked, but it never gave me the oportunity to adjust brightness etc, so may be it did not. Version 3.7.5 Dave > > the Spyder 3 Express has an attractive price, but i'm put off by notes that > none of the Spiders read or adjust luminance; can anyone address how much > that might matter? > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 08/08/2011 7:13 PM, Mark C wrote: Your post reminds me that I still have to find a calibration system for my new PC - I forgot about it since the visual calibration has been working fine. I probably should try the Huey but to be honest, I don't have confidence in it. The Eye1 transitioned very nicely from XP (32) to Win7 64, FWIW. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which Monitor Color Calibration device?
HI Boris - I can only offer my experience - I had a Huey Pro system and never felt like it worked well. The colors were just great in Photoshop but they looked way too dark in other applications (color managed or not) and printed way too dark as well. Now, in fairness, I was running this on WIn XP x64 which was a notoriously buggy OS with a lot of compatibility problems. So maybe the Huey just did not work well with it. I since moved to a WIn 7 machine and I just use the visual calibration utility that comes with that. I installed 32 bit WIn Xp on my old PC (so to run Nikon Scan) and I just use Calibrize on that. While there is still a difference between calibrated and non calibrated apps, when I print with profiles they come out fine. Your post reminds me that I still have to find a calibration system for my new PC - I forgot about it since the visual calibration has been working fine. I probably should try the Huey but to be honest, I don't have confidence in it. - MCC On 8/3/2011 11:10 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Dear All: What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer displays would you recommend? (For Windows - XP and Win7, - if that matters) I am looking for something that would be reasonable - both in functionality (quality, convenience of use) and price. I heard mostly about Spyder. But then even Spyder seems to have several variations (Datacolor DC S3P100 Spyder 3 Pro, Datacolor DC S3EL100 Spyder 3 Elite, Datacolor DC S3X100 Spyder 3 Express). I didn't have a chance to figure out which features are really helpful, and which are just marketing ploy: http://spyder.datacolor.com/s3compare.php Does the Pro version automatically adjust calibration based on the ambient light in real time, or only during the calibration? Also, - how does the "multiple display calibration" work? Does anybody know? I think I am ready to "bite the bullet", - as the monitors I thought were close to calibrated are actually not. Thank you in advance, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Aug 5, 2011, at 9:03 PM, Rick Womer wrote: > A couple of comments on the Huey Pro (since I have one): > > First, it does not measure luminance, and since the BIG difference between my > on-screen displays and prints is luminance, I am also in the market for a new > calibrator. My Spyder 2 doesn't measure luminance either, but I haven't seen this as a problem. First, an illuminated display will never provide a perfect preview of the relative brightness of flat art. They're two different animals. So once I have my monitor's colors dialed in and matching those of the prints, I tweak the brightness until I get a print that I consider perfect. It's just one adjustment, so it's not a big deal to adjust it to a level that yields the correct print brightness. Paul > > Second, the Amazon review have something that is a red flag to me: a bimodal > distribution of scores. When you look at hotel reviews, the 5-star ones are > raves and the 1-star ones often say "bedbugs!" Guess which I pay more > attention to? > > Third, to be fair, I have been satisfied with the performance of the Huey > Pro, given its luminance limitations. An iMac, MacBook Pro, and two 24in > Dell monitors calibrated with it look exactly the same--not a mean feat! > > Rick > > http://photo.net/photos/RickW > > > --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Darren Addy wrote: > >> No experience, but the reviews are >> positive on one that is VERY >> reasonable on price: Huey Pro. >> >> http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=Huey+Pro&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=3001592643111293849&sa=X&ei=m947Tt2tNIW80AGsgpn2Aw&ved=0CDcQ8wIwAQ >> >> and >> >> http://www.amazon.com/Pantone-MEU113-huey-Pro/dp/B000OFC1YY >> >> Never quite understand these products that some people just >> love and >> some people just hate. It sounds like the Huey Pro allows >> you to >> compensate for ambient light also. >> >> Darren Addy >> Kearney, Nebraska >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link >> directly above and follow the directions. >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which Monitor Color Calibration device?
A couple of comments on the Huey Pro (since I have one): First, it does not measure luminance, and since the BIG difference between my on-screen displays and prints is luminance, I am also in the market for a new calibrator. Second, the Amazon review have something that is a red flag to me: a bimodal distribution of scores. When you look at hotel reviews, the 5-star ones are raves and the 1-star ones often say "bedbugs!" Guess which I pay more attention to? Third, to be fair, I have been satisfied with the performance of the Huey Pro, given its luminance limitations. An iMac, MacBook Pro, and two 24in Dell monitors calibrated with it look exactly the same--not a mean feat! Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Darren Addy wrote: > No experience, but the reviews are > positive on one that is VERY > reasonable on price: Huey Pro. > > http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=Huey+Pro&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=3001592643111293849&sa=X&ei=m947Tt2tNIW80AGsgpn2Aw&ved=0CDcQ8wIwAQ > > and > > http://www.amazon.com/Pantone-MEU113-huey-Pro/dp/B000OFC1YY > > Never quite understand these products that some people just > love and > some people just hate. It sounds like the Huey Pro allows > you to > compensate for ambient light also. > > Darren Addy > Kearney, Nebraska > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: > Thanks a lot to all who responded! > I've got quite some information to think about and to research further. > > So far, - Various version of i1 Display, eye-one, etc. as they come up > in the search on Amazon are somewhat confusing. > > Godfrey, - if /when you get to compare i1 Display vs ColorMunki, > please post it here (and you can Cc: me, - in case I will > be travelling and not reading the list closely). Regards the i1 Display (aka Eye One Display 2) , don't get any of the "Lite" or "Basic" packages. They use a less expensive and less capable colorimeter unit. Go for the i1 Display 2 or i1 Display Pro. I have used a ColorMunki once ... Using it seems little different from using the i1 Display, really. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks a lot to all who responded! I've got quite some information to think about and to research further. So far, - Various version of i1 Display, eye-one, etc. as they come up in the search on Amazon are somewhat confusing. Godfrey, - if /when you get to compare i1 Display vs ColorMunki, please post it here (and you can Cc: me, - in case I will be travelling and not reading the list closely). Thank you! Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Darren Addy Never quite understand these products that some people just love and some people just hate. It sounds like the Huey Pro allows you to compensate for ambient light also. Read the reviews. Most of them are pretty specific about what is liked/disliked about the product. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1391 / Virus Database: 1518/3811 - Release Date: 08/04/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A good how-to video on the X-Rite i1 Display Pro can be found here http://www.xritephoto.com/ph_product_overview.aspx?id=1454&catid=109&action=overview Cheers, Christine On Aug 4, 2011, at 2:57 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 12:13 PM, John Sessoms wrote: >>> On 03/08/2011 9:10 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer displays would you recommend? >>> >>> I've been using an X-Rite eye1 for several years, quite happily. >>> When I was running photolabs, X-Rite was the densitometer of choice (I >>> still have one of their lab units around somewhere, so I went with a >>> brand I knew as one who knows colour. >>> I expect they are all good. >> >> X-Rite also makes the ColorMunki, which appears to be the preferred system >> in the Windoze world. > > The "Eye One Display" calibration and profiling package (then sold by > Gretag-Macbeth, now Xrite) was recommended to me independently by > colleagues on both the Displays and ColorSync engineering teams at > Apple when I asked them. They had every calibration tool, from the > bottom to the top of the market, at their disposal and said that the > Eye One Display was both the most consistent and the most reliable. I > bought mine (the Eye One Display 2 model by that time) in late 2004 > and have been completely satisfied with its performance despite all > the system and technology changes it has been updated to manage over > the past seven years. > > It's been replaced by the i1 Display Pro package, which is just about > the same price I paid with much more functionality. I don't know how > it compares in detail to the ColorMunki model, but I'll likely do the > research soon and pick one or the other as my calibration utility > since my Eye One Display 2 hardware is getting old and does not > support the integration of ambient room lighting into the calibration > and profiling. > -- > Godfrey > godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which Monitor Color Calibration device?
I wouldn't buy a Huey model. One of my clients had one and we had a lot of difficulty getting two displays on identical systems to match, both situated in the same room. Switching it for my Eye One Display 2, they matched on the first try. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 5:18 AM, Darren Addy wrote: > No experience, but the reviews are positive on one that is VERY > reasonable on price: Huey Pro. > > http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=Huey+Pro&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=3001592643111293849&sa=X&ei=m947Tt2tNIW80AGsgpn2Aw&ved=0CDcQ8wIwAQ > > and > > http://www.amazon.com/Pantone-MEU113-huey-Pro/dp/B000OFC1YY > > Never quite understand these products that some people just love and > some people just hate. It sounds like the Huey Pro allows you to > compensate for ambient light also. > > Darren Addy > Kearney, Nebraska > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which Monitor Color Calibration device?
On 2011-08-05 8:18, Darren Addy wrote: No experience, but the reviews are positive on one that is VERY reasonable on price: Huey Pro. I can't help with the Huey products, as I haven't used them. But I've been using the Spider 3 Pro for several wears with good results in a multiple monitor environment. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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No experience, but the reviews are positive on one that is VERY reasonable on price: Huey Pro. http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=Huey+Pro&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=3001592643111293849&sa=X&ei=m947Tt2tNIW80AGsgpn2Aw&ved=0CDcQ8wIwAQ and http://www.amazon.com/Pantone-MEU113-huey-Pro/dp/B000OFC1YY Never quite understand these products that some people just love and some people just hate. It sounds like the Huey Pro allows you to compensate for ambient light also. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Suggestions? I thought those were mandatory, It could be worse I suppose, My spell checker kept wanting to change Theriault to Diphtheria. I never thought Frank was that bad. On 8/4/2011 9:08 AM, Norm Baugher wrote: Do you need to calibrate your monitor for grayscale? Also Bill, my spell checker keeps suggesting a bunch of expletives for your name... Norm From: William Robb On 03/08/2011 9:10 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Dear All: What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer displays would you recommend? I've been using an X-Rite eye1 for several years, quite happily. When I was running photolabs, X-Rite was the densitometer of choice (I still have one of their lab units around somewhere, so I went with a brand I knew as one who knows colour. I expect they are all good. My spell checker wants to make your name Rhinoceros... -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 12:13 PM, John Sessoms wrote: >> On 03/08/2011 9:10 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: >>> What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer >>> displays would you recommend? >> >> I've been using an X-Rite eye1 for several years, quite happily. >> When I was running photolabs, X-Rite was the densitometer of choice (I >> still have one of their lab units around somewhere, so I went with a >> brand I knew as one who knows colour. >> I expect they are all good. > > X-Rite also makes the ColorMunki, which appears to be the preferred system > in the Windoze world. The "Eye One Display" calibration and profiling package (then sold by Gretag-Macbeth, now Xrite) was recommended to me independently by colleagues on both the Displays and ColorSync engineering teams at Apple when I asked them. They had every calibration tool, from the bottom to the top of the market, at their disposal and said that the Eye One Display was both the most consistent and the most reliable. I bought mine (the Eye One Display 2 model by that time) in late 2004 and have been completely satisfied with its performance despite all the system and technology changes it has been updated to manage over the past seven years. It's been replaced by the i1 Display Pro package, which is just about the same price I paid with much more functionality. I don't know how it compares in detail to the ColorMunki model, but I'll likely do the research soon and pick one or the other as my calibration utility since my Eye One Display 2 hardware is getting old and does not support the integration of ambient room lighting into the calibration and profiling. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: William Robb On 03/08/2011 9:10 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Dear All: What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer displays would you recommend? I've been using an X-Rite eye1 for several years, quite happily. When I was running photolabs, X-Rite was the densitometer of choice (I still have one of their lab units around somewhere, so I went with a brand I knew as one who knows colour. I expect they are all good. My spell checker wants to make your name Rhinoceros... X-Rite also makes the ColorMunki, which appears to be the preferred system in the Windoze world. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1518/3809 - Release Date: 08/03/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The latest iteration of the Spyder 3 Pro software helps with luminance. It reads it, recommends a target luminance level and walks you through manually adjusting it. Older software versions come on the CD, but after I installed it, I was asked if I wanted to download/install the most recent version. -p On 8/4/2011 1:05 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2011-08-03 09:10 , Igor Roshchin wrote: What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer displays would you recommend? (For Windows - XP and Win7, - if that matters) I am looking for something that would be reasonable - both in functionality (quality, convenience of use) and price. I heard mostly about Spyder. But then even Spyder seems to have several variations (Datacolor DC S3P100 Spyder 3 Pro, Datacolor DC S3EL100 Spyder 3 Elite, Datacolor DC S3X100 Spyder 3 Express). i've been shopping for a calibrator too; i have what i think is the the original Spyder, but i haven't found software that will drive it on Mac OS X 10.5 or above the Spyder 3 Express has an attractive price, but i'm put off by notes that none of the Spiders read or adjust luminance; can anyone address how much that might matter? -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-08-04 08:04 , Darren Addy wrote: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:22 PM, John Francis wrote: An Eye1 doesn't exactly qualify as "cheap", though. I suppose that "cheap" is in the eye of the beholder, but I don't think that $115 is bad: http://www.amazon.com/X-Rite-i1Display-Calibrator-Laptop-Displays/dp/B000JLO31M/ Less expensive than the Spider 3 Pro (with similar 4 star customer reviews). hmmm ... this appears to be a 10-year-old product that is now discontinued and may have problems with current Windows or Mac systems; many of the good reviews are from a few years ago; no wonder it's cheaper Spider 3 Express gets similar 4 star reviews for $66 at the budget end. For similar reviews I like to breakdown the star ratings to get a better picture. i use the reviews on Amazon a lot, but to help avoid being misled i think you have to actually read a good number of them, note when the reviews were posted, look at comments on the "glowing" or "most helpful" reviews, and sometimes check the reviewer's other reviews; personally i don't trust the raw star statistics -- often the curve is an inverted bell, with fours, fives, and a cluster of one-star reviews; for the product above the one-stars are where one learns it is discontinued, but often one-stars are whiners who didn't like how something was packaged, had a bad experience with an Amazon partner, or something like that; fives are sometimes useful, and sometimes starry-eyed geek-wannabees or shills; it's the twos, threes and fours from which i often learn the most, and if there are lots of ones but few twos or threes (or none at all), i don't trust the entire spread -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-08-03 09:10 , Igor Roshchin wrote: What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer displays would you recommend? (For Windows - XP and Win7, - if that matters) I am looking for something that would be reasonable - both in functionality (quality, convenience of use) and price. I heard mostly about Spyder. But then even Spyder seems to have several variations (Datacolor DC S3P100 Spyder 3 Pro, Datacolor DC S3EL100 Spyder 3 Elite, Datacolor DC S3X100 Spyder 3 Express). i've been shopping for a calibrator too; i have what i think is the the original Spyder, but i haven't found software that will drive it on Mac OS X 10.5 or above the Spyder 3 Express has an attractive price, but i'm put off by notes that none of the Spiders read or adjust luminance; can anyone address how much that might matter? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've also used the Spyder 2 and had no problem matching monitor and prints, especially considering the cheap monitor I'm using. Considering what I paid for it, I think it's the Spyder 2 Pro, but I've used it with good results with the latest versions of both the Spyder 2 Pro and Spyder 2 Express software. I recently upgraded to the Spyder 3, so if anyone is interested in getting a cheap start on monitor calibration with the Spyder 2 contact me off list. -p On 8/3/2011 10:38 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I use the very inexpensive Spyder Express (the older 2 version), and it is quite adequate in that my monitor and my prints are a near perfect match. It will only calibrate one monitor, so I have my large monitor set up as the photo viewing area and use my second monitor just for PhotoShop windows and tools. It adjusts the monitor for the ambient light, so I have to work in the same lighting conditions for best accuracy. I think the main advantage of the Pro device is that it allows more adjustment of gamma and the calibration of multiple monitors. I'd like to have it, but the Express version does the job and does it well. That being said, other calibration systems are more highly rated by reviewers, but the Spyder works well for me and my iMac 27 monitor. (It also worked well with my previous frontline monitor, an Apple Cinema Display.) Paul On Aug 3, 2011, at 11:10 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Dear All: What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer displays would you recommend? (For Windows - XP and Win7, - if that matters) I am looking for something that would be reasonable - both in functionality (quality, convenience of use) and price. I heard mostly about Spyder. But then even Spyder seems to have several variations (Datacolor DC S3P100 Spyder 3 Pro, Datacolor DC S3EL100 Spyder 3 Elite, Datacolor DC S3X100 Spyder 3 Express). I didn't have a chance to figure out which features are really helpful, and which are just marketing ploy: http://spyder.datacolor.com/s3compare.php Does the Pro version automatically adjust calibration based on the ambient light in real time, or only during the calibration? Also, - how does the "multiple display calibration" work? Does anybody know? I think I am ready to "bite the bullet", - as the monitors I thought were close to calibrated are actually not. Thank you in advance, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:22 PM, John Francis wrote: > An Eye1 doesn't exactly qualify as "cheap", though. I suppose that "cheap" is in the eye of the beholder, but I don't think that $115 is bad: http://www.amazon.com/X-Rite-i1Display-Calibrator-Laptop-Displays/dp/B000JLO31M/ Less expensive than the Spider 3 Pro (with similar 4 star customer reviews). Spider 3 Express gets similar 4 star reviews for $66 at the budget end. For similar reviews I like to breakdown the star ratings to get a better picture. For example, the X-Rite i1 has the most reviews (120). Out of those 120 it got 13 1-star reviews (10.8%) Spider 3 Pro has 79 reviews with 9 1-star reviews (11.4%) Spider 3 Elements has 34 reviews with 1 1-star review (3%). Even if the next person to review gave it 1-star it would only have 6%). I also look at what percentage give it 4 or 5 star ratings, and if there are more 5s than 4s. All are similar in that regard: X-Rite (74%), Spider 3 Pro (76%), Spider 3 Express (78%). I will be needing to make a decision on one of these in the not-too-distant future, so I appreciate this thread. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Do you need to calibrate your monitor for grayscale? Also Bill, my spell checker keeps suggesting a bunch of expletives for your name... Norm From: William Robb On 03/08/2011 9:10 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: > > Dear All: > > What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer > displays would you recommend? I've been using an X-Rite eye1 for several years, quite happily. When I was running photolabs, X-Rite was the densitometer of choice (I still have one of their lab units around somewhere, so I went with a brand I knew as one who knows colour. I expect they are all good. My spell checker wants to make your name Rhinoceros... -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 03/08/2011 9:22 PM, John Francis wrote: An Eye1 doesn't exactly qualify as "cheap", though. Was that one of the criteria? -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 06:04:30PM -0600, William Robb wrote: > On 03/08/2011 9:10 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: > > > >Dear All: > > > >What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer > >displays would you recommend? > > I've been using an X-Rite eye1 for several years, quite happily. > When I was running photolabs, X-Rite was the densitometer of choice > (I still have one of their lab units around somewhere, so I went > with a brand I knew as one who knows colour. > I expect they are all good. An Eye1 doesn't exactly qualify as "cheap", though. I'm trying to finesse one as an expensable item. The setup that can calibrate hard copy devices (i.e. printers) as well as monitors runs something like $1400. You can get a camera for that kind of money :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 03/08/2011 9:10 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Dear All: What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer displays would you recommend? I've been using an X-Rite eye1 for several years, quite happily. When I was running photolabs, X-Rite was the densitometer of choice (I still have one of their lab units around somewhere, so I went with a brand I knew as one who knows colour. I expect they are all good. My spell checker wants to make your name Rhinoceros... -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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When I bought my K100Ds my home computer was a Linux box and the only calibration device that seemed to have any support for Linux was Spyder, so I bought a Spyder II. The software to use the spyder was not written by the folks who make it, I was never able to get it to work, and the folks who sell the spyder are actively hostile to people who use Linux. It turns out that they charge significantly more for software upgrades to use their hardware, and that's a big part of their business model: a hardware company that makes money off the software, so unless you buy the expensive software, you're missing out on things that could make your hardware easier to use. I understand their business model, as a customer I don't like it. If I want to calibrate both screens on my system using the lower end software I have to individually set each screen as the primary screen and run the calibration program. Other than that, the spyder II was relatively inexpensive and seems to work well enough. On Aug 3, 2011, at 8:10 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: > > Dear All: > > What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer > displays would you recommend? (For Windows - XP and Win7, - if that matters) > I am looking for something that would be reasonable - both in > functionality (quality, convenience of use) and price. > > I heard mostly about Spyder. But then even Spyder seems to have > several variations (Datacolor DC S3P100 Spyder 3 Pro, Datacolor DC > S3EL100 Spyder 3 Elite, Datacolor DC S3X100 Spyder 3 Express). > I didn't have a chance to figure out which features are really helpful, > and which are just marketing ploy: > http://spyder.datacolor.com/s3compare.php > > Does the Pro version automatically adjust calibration based on the > ambient light in real time, or only during the calibration? > Also, - how does the "multiple display calibration" work? Does anybody > know? > > I think I am ready to "bite the bullet", - as the monitors I thought > were close to calibrated are actually not. > > Thank you in advance, > > Igor > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yeah, I use the Pro because I have multiple monitors. I've had good luck, except for the last time I did my mac laptop screen something went horribly wrong and everything became vaguely green. Running for the moment on the default profile that came with it until I figure out what went off the rails. Assume it's temporary because it worked with my wife's HP monitor and another big Dell I have at the office. Kind of horrible software user interface, but usually works. -T On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > I use the very inexpensive Spyder Express (the older 2 version), and it is > quite adequate in that my monitor and my prints are a near perfect match. It > will only calibrate one monitor, so I have my large monitor set up as the > photo viewing area and use my second monitor just for PhotoShop windows and > tools. It adjusts the monitor for the ambient light, so I have to work in the > same lighting conditions for best accuracy. I think the main advantage of the > Pro device is that it allows more adjustment of gamma and the calibration of > multiple monitors. I'd like to have it, but the Express version does the job > and does it well. That being said, other calibration systems are more highly > rated by reviewers, but the Spyder works well for me and my iMac 27 monitor. > (It also worked well with my previous frontline monitor, an Apple Cinema > Display.) > Paul > On Aug 3, 2011, at 11:10 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: > >> >> Dear All: >> >> What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer >> displays would you recommend? (For Windows - XP and Win7, - if that matters) >> I am looking for something that would be reasonable - both in >> functionality (quality, convenience of use) and price. >> >> I heard mostly about Spyder. But then even Spyder seems to have >> several variations (Datacolor DC S3P100 Spyder 3 Pro, Datacolor DC >> S3EL100 Spyder 3 Elite, Datacolor DC S3X100 Spyder 3 Express). >> I didn't have a chance to figure out which features are really helpful, >> and which are just marketing ploy: >> http://spyder.datacolor.com/s3compare.php >> >> Does the Pro version automatically adjust calibration based on the >> ambient light in real time, or only during the calibration? >> Also, - how does the "multiple display calibration" work? Does anybody >> know? >> >> I think I am ready to "bite the bullet", - as the monitors I thought >> were close to calibrated are actually not. >> >> Thank you in advance, >> >> Igor >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I use the very inexpensive Spyder Express (the older 2 version), and it is quite adequate in that my monitor and my prints are a near perfect match. It will only calibrate one monitor, so I have my large monitor set up as the photo viewing area and use my second monitor just for PhotoShop windows and tools. It adjusts the monitor for the ambient light, so I have to work in the same lighting conditions for best accuracy. I think the main advantage of the Pro device is that it allows more adjustment of gamma and the calibration of multiple monitors. I'd like to have it, but the Express version does the job and does it well. That being said, other calibration systems are more highly rated by reviewers, but the Spyder works well for me and my iMac 27 monitor. (It also worked well with my previous frontline monitor, an Apple Cinema Display.) Paul On Aug 3, 2011, at 11:10 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: > > Dear All: > > What model(s) of color-calibration devices (colorimeters) for computer > displays would you recommend? (For Windows - XP and Win7, - if that matters) > I am looking for something that would be reasonable - both in > functionality (quality, convenience of use) and price. > > I heard mostly about Spyder. But then even Spyder seems to have > several variations (Datacolor DC S3P100 Spyder 3 Pro, Datacolor DC > S3EL100 Spyder 3 Elite, Datacolor DC S3X100 Spyder 3 Express). > I didn't have a chance to figure out which features are really helpful, > and which are just marketing ploy: > http://spyder.datacolor.com/s3compare.php > > Does the Pro version automatically adjust calibration based on the > ambient light in real time, or only during the calibration? > Also, - how does the "multiple display calibration" work? Does anybody > know? > > I think I am ready to "bite the bullet", - as the monitors I thought > were close to calibrated are actually not. > > Thank you in advance, > > Igor > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
