Re: do you practice any other arts?
You really have to learn how to see what is in front of you instead of seeing the symbol you have in your head. Looking at an image upside or on an unfamiliar scale helps side step that look, quickly recognize, assign a symbol, and move on to other stuff groove the brain wants to get into. I think this is why a lot of photographers love large-format cameras so much. The fact that the image is upside-down helps, rather than hinders, their compositional visualization. Plus, there really is something wonderful about the image of the world on the ground-glass. I haven't shot with a view camera for years, but I still miss that. --Mike
Re: do you practice any other arts?
Doug wrote: hmmm. Dan has apparently read and digested Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain. ...which would also be a nice book recommendation for Amita. --Mike Amita wrote: I'm looking at learn-to-draw books online now but I think I need to go to a bookstore and figure out which book is best.
Re: do you practice any other arts?
Everything else comes from studying the good stuff, practice, practice, and more practice and occassionally having someone who knows more than you say, try this instead of that. Come to think of it, just about everything comes from that. ;-) So true, so true! --Mike
Re: do you practice any other arts?
I don't engage in the visual arts, but as a member of the local community band, I guess you could say I engage in the performing arts. Since I'm not a very good photographer or trombonist, I find neither helps me with the other :-O Bill - Original Message - From: Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 10:41 PM Subject: do you practice any other arts? I attended my first drawing class last night. It was just a one-session thing, to get me started with drawing. I'm trying to learn to draw because I want to get into logo design as part of my web business. Drawing is a commpletely alien exercise to me, but I feel I need to learn it to add to my skillset. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else on the list draws or engages in any other visual or other arts. If you do, do you think practicing one helps your skill in the other, or maybe hinders it? I am wondering if learning to draw will affect my photgraphy at all. Amita
Re: do you practice any other arts?
Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if anyone else on the list draws or engages in any other visual or other arts. If you do, do you think practicing one helps your skill in the other, or maybe hinders it? I am wondering if learning to draw will affect my photgraphy at all. I guess I fit into the other arts category: I'm a musician. I'm sure it affects my photography *somehow*, but I'm not sure how ;-) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: do you practice any other arts?
Hi! No, I don't take drawing classes, nor I took any. Well, what I had in my school back in Moscow does not count. I remember none of what I supposedly was taught. I do engage in Art of Computer Programming. Well, I did, and now I wish I could re-engage at maximum warp. Anyway, there is something in programming that I think helps me in my photography. It is a matter of dealing with the problem in a very specific organized way... I will not go any deeper into that bg. I have a friend who sometimes draws sketches of his compositions before he actually creates them and ultimately shoots them on film. I think that any activity that makes your creative drive burn fuel at its earnest is quite helpful... Oh, by the way, I've decided that I need to have a proper web page - not just tables and images. So I am learning some stuff - now sitting in front of the sucker, struggling with the layout of the page... Just my two one hundreds... --- Boris Liberman www.geocities.com/dunno57 www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=38625
Re: do you practice any other arts?
At 06:20 AM 2/14/03, Mike wrote: Doug wrote: hmmm. Dan has apparently read and digested Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain. ...which would also be a nice book recommendation for Amita. --Mike Indeed. Searching through the vast emptiness of my brain, I've also stumbled on The Awakened Eye, sort of a Zen approach to drawing. Doug
Re: do you practice any other arts?
tom wrote: Last night she was copying a picture, and I took a look and noticed she was doing it upside down. I mean she had the photo she was copying upside down, and she was drawing it right side up. Said it helped her draw what's there, not what she thinks is there. Sound familiar? Wow! This is so similar to a common copyeditor's trick. You read the page forward for content. Then you scan it backwards to proof. That throws it just enough out of context that you can easily see see what's really there, not what your eye expects to see. Try it on the preceding paragraph... Regards, Stephen
RE: do you practice any other arts?
My wife and I took drawing lessons years ago at the NY Art Students League (a great place). In one class, the instructor remarked to my wife If you could draw, you would be dangerous, pointing out that she had a great sense of composition but lesser technical drawing skills. So, after that, she took up photography! Her drawing compositions were interesting, and that carries into her photography. (My skills lead to boring compositions, but we can still enjoy what we're not good at). Steve I attended my first drawing class last night. It was just a one-session thing, to get me started with drawing. I'm trying to learn to draw because I want to get into logo design as part of my web business. Drawing is a commpletely alien exercise to me, but I feel I need to learn it to add to my skillset. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else on the list draws or engages in any other visual or other arts. If you do, do you think practicing one helps your skill in the other, or maybe hinders it? I am wondering if learning to draw will affect my photgraphy at all. Amita
Re: do you practice any other arts?
Hi Amita, I've studied fashion design, graphic design and web design. I do all 3 at the same time but Graphics mostly. Photography is mostly a hobby except if I'm taking a pack shot. But I have started to get in wedding photography as well cause the money is there. Learning to hand draw to draw logo's is a bit of an mission. Most logo's especially corporate types would have to be in a pantone colour and you would have to submit chromolins as well as single colour variations. Much easier with CorelDraw, Illustrator and maybe Freehand, but I wouldn't advise the last one. Doing this by hand is almost impossible. Free hand drawings nowadays are mostly required by fashion illustration, advertising or product illustration. Mostly done with a tablet and a pc/Mac. All what I've learnt from studying the other is cross applied to photography. Things like composition and sense of colour balance remain consistent throughout the various fields and I don't think I could seperate the various techiques into definite little boxes. It will affect your photography, but then again what you've learnt from photography will affect your drawing as well. Feroze - Original Message - From: Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 5:41 AM Subject: do you practice any other arts? I attended my first drawing class last night. It was just a one-session thing, to get me started with drawing. I'm trying to learn to draw because I want to get into logo design as part of my web business. Drawing is a commpletely alien exercise to me, but I feel I need to learn it to add to my skillset. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else on the list draws or engages in any other visual or other arts. If you do, do you think practicing one helps your skill in the other, or maybe hinders it? I am wondering if learning to draw will affect my photgraphy at all. Amita
RE: do you practice any other arts?
Wow! This is so similar to a common copyeditor's trick. You read the page forward for content. Then you scan it backwards to proof. That throws it just enough out of context that you can easily see see what's really there, not what your eye expects to see. Another good one is to read the piece out loud, either to yourself or to someone else, and have the other person read it back to you. It helps a lot with rhythm, sentence structure and composition. I used to do it with my friends in college.
RE: do you practice any other arts?
Learning to hand draw to draw logo's is a bit of an mission. To be honest, I didn't even want to get into it. The main reason I'm trying to learn to draw is that I have an idea for the logo for my own site, which will be distinctly non-corporate, and I can't afford a designer, so I figure I may as well learn to do it myself. I mean, I ought to be able to brand my own site, right? So learning to draw what I have in mind is my main priority right now. And that will be one more skill to have. Of course there's a lot more than that to web design/branding/logo design/etc., but every little bit helps. ;) I have a full set of design software on my pc, so if (god forbid) I ever need to get involved in print work, I'll have the tools to do the color conversions and such. Mostly done with a tablet and a pc/Mac. Yeah, I have my eye on the 6x8 Wacom Intuit or whatever it's called. I'm going to buy it soon. I've heard it makes using Photoshop a whole new experience.
Re: do you practice any other arts?
Calligraphy... I think they support each other somewhat with composition. Regards, Bob... --- Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy - Benjamin Franklin From: Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] [skip] Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else on the list draws or engages in any other visual or other arts. If you do, do you think practicing one helps your skill in the other, or maybe hinders it? I am wondering if learning to draw will affect my photgraphy at all.
Re: do you practice any other arts?
On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 03:05 PM, Bob Walkden wrote: Picasso was an astonishingly good draughtsman. --- Bob Bob, Nothing astonishing about that. What I found (in my days as an art student) curious was the number of fellow students who dismissed the ability to draw or paint in a realistic mode as something uncool, not really connected to Art except in a historic sense. They were busy making bad copies of contemporary art without understanding that most of the people they were aping had developed and honed control of their tools via very traditional, representationalist means. Once you master your tools and techniques, you have the power to place every element where you want it and the freedom to explore, bend or break rules as you please. Not mastering the Craft aspect of an art one wishes to practice is astonishing. Soapbox mode off. Dan Scott
Re: do you practice any other arts?
Hi, Friday, February 14, 2003, 10:53:14 PM, you wrote: True, but at the end of his life he could sell anything as long as it had his signature on it. so what? He deserved it, and if people wanted to give him the money, why should he not take it? This does not detract from his skill as a draughtsman or his contribution to our culture. Bob At 09:05 PM 2/14/2003 +, you wrote: Hi, Friday, February 14, 2003, 4:21:30 PM, you wrote: So you were right? :) At 11:35 PM 2/13/2003 -0800, you wrote: I took a community college class on So you think you can't draw? My drawings look like a cross between Picasso and some kindergarten art. Picasso was an astonishingly good draughtsman.
Re: do you practice any other arts?
- Original Message - From: Dan Scott Subject: Re: do you practice any other arts? Once you master your tools and techniques, you have the power to place every element where you want it and the freedom to explore, bend or break rules as you please. Not mastering the Craft aspect of an art one wishes to practice is astonishing. That sounds a lot like what I was saying during the 50mm lens debate a while back.. William Robb
Re: do you practice any other arts?
Actually I have no problem with him selling scribbles with his signature as art. The people who buy such things are the one's I feel have the problem. I also agree he was a draftsman of great skill and an artist of great vision. However I too can create drawings that look a bit like a Picasso meets kindergarten art and I freely admit that I have particular skill as a draftsman. At 12:41 AM 2/15/2003 +, you wrote: Hi, Friday, February 14, 2003, 10:53:14 PM, you wrote: True, but at the end of his life he could sell anything as long as it had his signature on it. so what? He deserved it, and if people wanted to give him the money, why should he not take it? This does not detract from his skill as a draughtsman or his contribution to our culture. Bob At 09:05 PM 2/14/2003 +, you wrote: Hi, Friday, February 14, 2003, 4:21:30 PM, you wrote: So you were right? :) At 11:35 PM 2/13/2003 -0800, you wrote: I took a community college class on So you think you can't draw? My drawings look like a cross between Picasso and some kindergarten art. Picasso was an astonishingly good draughtsman. Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
Re: do you practice any other arts?
On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 07:09 PM, William Robb wrote: That sounds a lot like what I was saying during the 50mm lens debate a while back.. William Robb You're pretty smart sometimes. Dan Scott
RE: do you practice any other arts?
-Original Message- From: Amita Guha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else on the list draws or engages in any other visual or other arts. If you do, do you think practicing one helps your skill in the other, or maybe hinders it? I am wondering if learning to draw will affect my photgraphy at all. I can't draw either, in fact I can barely sign my name. My girlfriend is in graphic design school, and she comes home and goes over what she's learning, and I know some of it rubs off on me. Last night she was copying a picture, and I took a look and noticed she was doing it upside down. I mean she had the photo she was copying upside down, and she was drawing it right side up. Said it helped her draw what's there, not what she thinks is there. Sound familiar? tv
RE: do you practice any other arts?
Last night she was copying a picture, and I took a look and noticed she was doing it upside down. I mean she had the photo she was copying upside down, and she was drawing it right side up. Said it helped her draw what's there, not what she thinks is there. Sound familiar? Yep, we did that exercise last night, except that I drew mine upside down, too. I do think it helped. I'm looking at learn-to-draw books online now but I think I need to go to a bookstore and figure out which book is best.
Re: do you practice any other arts?
On Thursday, February 13, 2003, at 09:41 PM, Amita Guha wrote: I attended my first drawing class last night. It was just a one-session thing, to get me started with drawing. I'm trying to learn to draw because I want to get into logo design as part of my web business. Drawing is a commpletely alien exercise to me, but I feel I need to learn it to add to my skillset. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else on the list draws or engages in any other visual or other arts. If you do, do you think practicing one helps your skill in the other, or maybe hinders it? I am wondering if learning to draw will affect my photgraphy at all. Amita Hi Amita, I draw (and engage in other visual arts). Anything that encourages you to be more aware of line, tone, balance, the interaction of positive and negative space, etc., can only help you with your photography, too. Consider taking more drawing classes and some composition classes, also. In fact, you might want to see if one of the schools in your area offers any Ad Art (advertising art) classes. Designing logos is something you'll get lots of practice at. Dan Scott
