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wendy beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 06:59 PM 07/01/2004 -0500, Shel wrote: One local lab here says cats and babies are what they see the most of ... year after year. Whenever I used to go into my local photoprocessing place, someone always used to ask More dog pictures?. My local camera shop has an in-house bulldog. Very ugly and very friendly. There are photos of it all over the store! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there anything in the world that has been the subject of photography *more* than weddings? Houses for sale? School photos. bare-bottomed ladies HAve you seen Calendar Girls yet?? :) I think this last suggestion comes closest! ...but considering how many photos are taken of *each* wedding, I still expect weddings win for total number of photos. Not that I'm interested in doing the research to find out for certain! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com Oh Mark and here I thought you were doing research on quotes from women PDML'ers :) annsan
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I think this is the longest thread I have seen since I joined this group, but I'm gonna comment anyway. Back when I used to play in a band we had a saying we would repeat before every show, Play it the way we rehearsed it. It means that people who knew our music came to hear our music, not to hear us butcher our music. It is the same with wedding photography. People hire me after they have seen my portfolio and they want me to do the same thing for them that they saw in that portfolio. I try to be creative where I can, but...that's why I do weddings primarily for the money. I enjoy it to the extent that I love photography and I am getting paid to do what I love, but I'd rather be shooting a nice casual portrait where I can be creative (and just re-shoot it if the customer does not agree with my creative vision). David Madsen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.davidmadsen.com
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Hi! It just occurred to me that the reasonable way to produce *original* wedding photo stuff could probably be shooting on weddings of your friends/relatives/fellow photogs. But such thing would have to be agreed upon in advance. Normally, as I remember myself getting married g, I wanted my wedding photographer to document in a sense what was going to happen. He did a very good job I think. I suppose it would be a good time to take yet another look on my wedding album g. Another thought that happens to me g. Original stuff can be shot, I think, not during the ceremony itself. For instance, we were getting married in January and such thing as an outdoors photo session on the wedding day in case of winter Jerusalem was impossible... Well, I only got married once and shot on the wedding just two days ago... g Boris
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Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: see myth #6: http://www.phototechmag.com/previous-articles/apr-myths.htm Is there anything in the world that has been the subject of photography *more* than weddings? Given the number photographs made by the enormous number people who have been doing it over the 150 or so years than photography has existed I can't imagine how one might come up with a truly original never been done before shot. That doesn't it isn't possible do great work and make great art. BTW: That myths page is great, Bob! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Few of us can be Monte Zucker or Steve Sint. I'd just like to take this opportunity to say that Monte Zucker's photos make me positively gag. I realize that he's very good at what he does but, man, it's like fingernails on a blackboard to me! Whew! I feel much better having gotten that off my chest! (I feel like Mike Johnston on the subject of flowers or cats in photography!) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Hi, I'd just like to take this opportunity to say that Monte Zucker's photos make me positively gag. too much sugar! -- Cheers, Bob
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Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'd just like to take this opportunity to say that Monte Zucker's photos make me positively gag. too much sugar! Yep, and his writing about his photography is even worse. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Not to mention you get exactly the same thing from all the guys and gals who have taken his seminars. When you hire Monte Zucker, what you get is Monte Zucker himself, or one of his employees. Not some kind of special available nowhere else photography. He has just carried name brand recognision to the maximum level in wedding photography. And , BTW, most brides only have one big wedding, even if they get married several times in their life. That alblum is oridginal to her, never mind that every other bride has one just like it. She ain't like us photogs who look at thousands of photos an start seeing the similarities. Furthermore, you have to produce photos that she likes, not ones that you like. That is what being a pro is all about. -- Mark Roberts wrote: Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Few of us can be Monte Zucker or Steve Sint. I'd just like to take this opportunity to say that Monte Zucker's photos make me positively gag. I realize that he's very good at what he does but, man, it's like fingernails on a blackboard to me! Whew! I feel much better having gotten that off my chest! (I feel like Mike Johnston on the subject of flowers or cats in photography!) -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
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Something just occurred to me. With today's extremely high divorce rate, does most of the photographer's work end up in a dumpster sooner or later? Kind of a shame huh? JCO J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com -Original Message- From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: wedding photography...ugh! Not to mention you get exactly the same thing from all the guys and gals who have taken his seminars. When you hire Monte Zucker, what you get is Monte Zucker himself, or one of his employees. Not some kind of special available nowhere else photography. He has just carried name brand recognision to the maximum level in wedding photography. And , BTW, most brides only have one big wedding, even if they get married several times in their life. That alblum is oridginal to her, never mind that every other bride has one just like it. She ain't like us photogs who look at thousands of photos an start seeing the similarities. Furthermore, you have to produce photos that she likes, not ones that you like. That is what being a pro is all about. -- Mark Roberts wrote: Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Few of us can be Monte Zucker or Steve Sint. I'd just like to take this opportunity to say that Monte Zucker's photos make me positively gag. I realize that he's very good at what he does but, man, it's like fingernails on a blackboard to me! Whew! I feel much better having gotten that off my chest! (I feel like Mike Johnston on the subject of flowers or cats in photography!) -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
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-Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Most wedding photographers have a checklist of shots that need to be gotten. They start at number one, and work their way down the list. Like Mr. Rubenstein said, the customer knows what a wedding album should look like, and you had better produce one for them that looks like what they think it should look like. I think most brides' experience of wedding albums is fairly meager. The only thing they've seen is in the hands of the photographers they've interviewed. They are mostly not interested in getting something similar to their mom's album. When I meet with clients I show them 2 albums, and they have a total of maybe 70 pictures. 2 of them are traditional looking formals. The people who want formals probably don't hire me. The people who like my sort of thing do. Everyone is happy - they get what they want, I get a check and to shoot the way I want. tv
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If the best life lies in being able to do something you enjoy, and make a living at it, then I think Monte is doing pretty well. Whether we approve of his approach and style or not. It's just so easy to criticize successful people, when we know we can shoot better than they can. Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 Not to mention you get exactly the same thing from all the guys and gals who have taken his seminars. When you hire Monte Zucker, what you get is Monte Zucker himself, or one of his employees. Not some kind of special available nowhere else photography. He has just carried name brand recognision to the maximum level in wedding photography. And , BTW, most brides only have one big wedding, even if they get married several times in their life. That alblum is oridginal to her, never mind that every other bride has one just like it. She ain't like us photogs who look at thousands of photos an start seeing the similarities. Furthermore, you have to produce photos that she likes, not ones that you like. That is what being a pro is all about. -- Mark Roberts wrote: Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Few of us can be Monte Zucker or Steve Sint. I'd just like to take this opportunity to say that Monte Zucker's photos make me positively gag. I realize that he's very good at what he does but, man, it's like fingernails on a blackboard to me! Whew! I feel much better having gotten that off my chest! (I feel like Mike Johnston on the subject of flowers or cats in photography!) -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway. _ Expand your wine savvy and get some great new recipes at MSN Wine. http://wine.msn.com
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Leonard Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the best life lies in being able to do something you enjoy, and make a living at it, then I think Monte is doing pretty well. Whether we approve of his approach and style or not. It's just so easy to criticize successful people, when we know we can shoot better than they can. Oh, but I *couldn't* shoot better than him... within his particular specialty. I just detest his photos :) If I were going to go into business doing that kind of work I'd probably study his stuff intently because it's clearly successful. BTW, I thought the best in life was To crush your enemies. To see them driven before you. To hear the lamentation of their women. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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LOL What we see of his work is what he wants us to see. Do we know of what his more personal portfolio is like? Leonard Paris wrote: If the best life lies in being able to do something you enjoy, and make a living at it, then I think Monte is doing pretty well. Whether we approve of his approach and style or not. It's just so easy to criticize successful people, when we know we can shoot better than they can.
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Well, I know for sure it's not To Ride the open steppe, feel the wind in your face, and have a falcon at your wrist. -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: wedding photography...ugh! Leonard Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the best life lies in being able to do something you enjoy, and make a living at it, then I think Monte is doing pretty well. Whether we approve of his approach and style or not. It's just so easy to criticize successful people, when we know we can shoot better than they can. Oh, but I *couldn't* shoot better than him... within his particular specialty. I just detest his photos :) If I were going to go into business doing that kind of work I'd probably study his stuff intently because it's clearly successful. BTW, I thought the best in life was To crush your enemies. To see them driven before you. To hear the lamentation of their women. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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J. C. O'Connell wrote: Something just occurred to me. With today's extremely high divorce rate, does most of the photographer's work end up in a dumpster sooner or later? Kind of a shame huh? One of my school friends had a marriage that only lasted a year; came back to find half the house empty and a note to say she had moved in with her boss. He found his wedding photos most therapeutic. Granted he stuck them to the garage wall and shot them with an air rifle but... Malcolm
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Probably not. But he isn't a starving artist and I have to take his word that he is having fun doing what he does. And, isn't it the same with all of us? Don't we all only show what we want people to see? Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: wedding photography...ugh! Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 09:46:41 -0800 LOL What we see of his work is what he wants us to see. Do we know of what his more personal portfolio is like? Leonard Paris wrote: If the best life lies in being able to do something you enjoy, and make a living at it, then I think Monte is doing pretty well. Whether we approve of his approach and style or not. It's just so easy to criticize successful people, when we know we can shoot better than they can. _ Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time introductory offer. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup
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That's a different career field. Len --- * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 BTW, I thought the best in life was To crush your enemies. To see them driven before you. To hear the lamentation of their women. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com _ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx
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http://www.montezucker.com/portfolio.html There is a link on Monte's site to Joe Zeltsman, which doesn't work, but this one does: http://web.archive.org/web/20020606223814/http://www.zuga.net/freelessons/port rait.shtml#Joe%20Zeltsman Everything you wanted to know about how to take pictures that look like your parent's wedding album. Especially if your parents were married circa 1950. BR From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] LOL What we see of his work is what he wants us to see. Do we know of what his more personal portfolio is like?
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When my wife left me she took the baby pictures of me my mother had given her. Women never toss such things, they keep them as trophies. -- J. C. O'Connell wrote: Something just occurred to me. With today's extremely high divorce rate, does most of the photographer's work end up in a dumpster sooner or later? Kind of a shame huh? JCO J.C. O'Connell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com -Original Message- From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: wedding photography...ugh! Not to mention you get exactly the same thing from all the guys and gals who have taken his seminars. When you hire Monte Zucker, what you get is Monte Zucker himself, or one of his employees. Not some kind of special available nowhere else photography. He has just carried name brand recognision to the maximum level in wedding photography. And , BTW, most brides only have one big wedding, even if they get married several times in their life. That alblum is oridginal to her, never mind that every other bride has one just like it. She ain't like us photogs who look at thousands of photos an start seeing the similarities. Furthermore, you have to produce photos that she likes, not ones that you like. That is what being a pro is all about. -- Mark Roberts wrote: Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Few of us can be Monte Zucker or Steve Sint. I'd just like to take this opportunity to say that Monte Zucker's photos make me positively gag. I realize that he's very good at what he does but, man, it's like fingernails on a blackboard to me! Whew! I feel much better having gotten that off my chest! (I feel like Mike Johnston on the subject of flowers or cats in photography!) -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
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On 7/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Is there anything in the world that has been the subject of photography *more* than weddings? Houses for sale? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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-Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 7/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Is there anything in the world that has been the subject of photography *more* than weddings? Houses for sale? School photos. tv
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Is there anything in the world that has been the subject of photography *more* than weddings? Houses for sale? School photos. bare-bottomed ladies
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Is there anything in the world that has been the subject of photography *more* than weddings? Babies. And cats. :)
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Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there anything in the world that has been the subject of photography *more* than weddings? Houses for sale? School photos. bare-bottomed ladies I think this last suggestion comes closest! ...but considering how many photos are taken of *each* wedding, I still expect weddings win for total number of photos. Not that I'm interested in doing the research to find out for certain! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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Mark, I TOTALLY agree - cheese, cheese, cheesy... That's all I can say about them... tan. - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:31 PM Subject: Re: wedding photography...ugh! Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Few of us can be Monte Zucker or Steve Sint. I'd just like to take this opportunity to say that Monte Zucker's photos make me positively gag. I realize that he's very good at what he does but, man, it's like fingernails on a blackboard to me! Whew! I feel much better having gotten that off my chest! (I feel like Mike Johnston on the subject of flowers or cats in photography!) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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On 7/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Is there anything in the world that has been the subject of photography *more* than weddings? Houses for sale? (said Cotty) Babies, say I. Many people have more babies than they do weddings.
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One local lab here says cats and babies are what they see the most of ... year after year. Is there anything in the world that has been the subject of photography *more* than weddings?
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At 06:59 PM 07/01/2004 -0500, Shel wrote: One local lab here says cats and babies are what they see the most of ... year after year. Whenever I used to go into my local photoprocessing place, someone always used to ask More dog pictures?. Wendy Beard, Ottawa, Canada http://www.beard-redfern.com
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No, it is sweet revenge for his smart arse comment on my spelling mistake a just a few messages back. HAR! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Len: is this a clever play on words, or a Freudian slip? I guess men need to *hoot* nudes of their wives tee hee Quoting Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I guess men need to hoot nudes of their wives very early on in the marriage so they have some trophies to display, too. :-) - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
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-Original Message- From: Tom Reese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I quit doing them eventually. I couldn't take wearing the jacket in the hot weather (summer weddings suck IMO), the neckties, the drunks and all the other aggravation. I wish I could just shoot the B G portraits and forget about all the other stuff... That's funny. I don't wear a tie or jacket, and I wish I could forget the portraits! tv
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On Tue, 2004-01-06 at 18:55, tom wrote: -Original Message- From: Tom Reese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I quit doing them eventually. I couldn't take wearing the jacket in the hot weather (summer weddings suck IMO), the neckties, the drunks and all the other aggravation. I wish I could just shoot the B G portraits and forget about all the other stuff... That's funny. I don't wear a tie or jacket, and I wish I could forget the portraits! tv I got friends in Allentown, PA, also doing wedding photography. They always dress up as well, I doubt the photographer in the Netherlands would do that. What is the custom in the different areas of all the PDML folks? -- Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think that, considering the various forces and demands tugging at the wedding shooter from the sundry directions, obtaining good results, let alone great or original results, is a respectable feat. I think, as a former consumer, that they key to obtaining great wedding photos is to have as many people shooting as possible, because the official photog can't be everywhere at once. That way you get a big selection of shots from many different perspecitives. Our official photog did a terrific job, but we also got some great shots from the guests who had their own cameras, as well as the people who used the disposables we put out. Together, they provided a very complete picture of the weekend, and in the end, it's all about those memories. :)
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Tom Reese said: The wedding photography thread got me thinking about my experiences... I wanted to shoot some portraits of a bride and groom and couldn't find the groom. He was outside behind the building smoking dope with the best man. By the end of the reception he was stoned out of his mind and trying to give me a handful of cash from the wedding gifts that the BG received (of course I turned him down...several times). Are you crazy man, like, you should've like, taken the dosh dude... oh, and like, peace, man, OKAAAY!? vbg At least he would've been nice and relaxed for his night, pity though as he would've had red eyes in all of his shots! I have seen it to many times in grooms and it is just so obvious! Another time, I showed up at the brides house at 12:00 noon per my appointment for the pre-wedding portraits of bride with mom, dad, etc. The bride answered the door in jeans and a t-shirt and asked me to wait while they all ate lunch. I had one who had made the appointment for me to arrive at 1.30pm after doing the grooms preparation shots, so I got there at 1.35pm (yeah, I was 5 mins late due to said groom deciding at the last second to use his drag car in the shots and having to go and pick it up). When I arrived she was beetroot red and screamed at me when I walked in the door. Omg, where the hell have you been, we've been ready since ONE O'CLOCK I was like ummm, I'm sorry that I am a little late but the groom wanted to add the car to his shots and they had to go and get it. She yells WELL, ISN'T IT COMMON COURTESY TO RING SOMEONE WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO BE LATE?!!? I was immediately, devastakingly (sic) nervous and proceeded to shake my way through every shot, all the while hoping against hope that I didn't stuff any up or Bridezilla would have me for breakfast! So, we got through the preparation shots, and the ceremony, after which I took the bride and groom back into the church to do some creative stuff with the stain glass windows behind the alter. Whilst I was setting up the shot with my tripod etc. She was chatting away with the groom and bitched about how I was 3/4 of an hour late. To which he and I BOTH responded in unison (sic, too lazy to check it!), you mean 5 minutes late? and she said no, 3/4 of an hour late, she was supposed to be there at 1pm. I showed her my diary where I had originally written 1pm and then crossed it out and changed it to 1.30pm when she had *phone me and aske me to do it*!! The groom confirmed it and the bride apologised and spent the rest of the afternoon embarrassed that she had verbally attacked me and blaming herself if the photos are a mess cause i upset the photographer for no reason. Anyways, some of the shots are on my site, under the Roses Are Red link, and she was more than happy with the result. Thank gawd! BTW, the wedding wasn't until 4pm and we had finished shooting by 2pm and so had to sit there twiddling our thumbs for almost 2 full hours! I always recommend that I don't come until around half an hour before the wedding, unless I am covering the hair/makeup/getting dressed thing, cause it really doesn't take that long to take shots of the bridesmaids/bride/mum, dad etc I quit doing them eventually. I couldn't take wearing the jacket in the hot weather (summer weddings suck IMO), the neckties, the drunks and all the other aggravation. I wish I could just shoot the B G portraits and forget about all the other stuff... Har! Did I ever tell you about the time the couple was having a nuptual (sic, yeah, again, i know i'm lazy!) mass, where they have communion etc and it goes for like 2 hours, on the hottest day we had had in 5 years? It was 48 degrees inside the darn church and people were dropping like flies. Literally, fainting all over the place, including my assistant, who happened to do so just as they were about to exchange the rings...! It was so hot, the guys in the wedding party didn't even wear their jackets, just their vests and shirts, and they even had to send out for an esky of bottled iced water to hand out to the guests during the ceremony. I learned my lesson and don't take an assistant with me anymore... tan.
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Bob admitted: Hi, I crashed a wedding a few years ago in Transylvania. I'd spent the day in a nearby village photographing a funeral, and getting very, very drunk on the local moonshine. Back at my hotel I stumbled, half blind, into a wedding and started photographing the dancing. Some of the guests plied me with large quantities of whiskey. One of the guests waved me over to his table and insisted on a portrait. He was dressed in black trousers, black rollneck and black leather jacket. All the other bulky-looking men at his table were dressed the same. I think they Securitate who had privatised themselves. At least, that was the impression they wanted to give. When he learned where I was from he said OK, you send me the pictures. I have many friends in London. If you don't do as I ask, you go missing. I laughed in the face of danger. I was very, very drunk at the time. None of the wedding pictures came out. That is BLOODY hilarious!! This is a great thread... tan.
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-Original Message- From: Frits Wüthrich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 2004-01-06 at 18:55, tom wrote: -Original Message- From: Tom Reese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I quit doing them eventually. I couldn't take wearing the jacket in the hot weather (summer weddings suck IMO), the neckties, the drunks and all the other aggravation. I wish I could just shoot the B G portraits and forget about all the other stuff... That's funny. I don't wear a tie or jacket, and I wish I could forget the portraits! tv I got friends in Allentown, PA, also doing wedding photography. They always dress up as well, I doubt the photographer in the Netherlands would do that. What is the custom in the different areas of all the PDML folks? Around here the traditional style guys dress up in a tux or suit, the pj'ers don't. tv
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Bucky noted: I recall Doug Brewer recently telling Tanya that, although she was talented, many of her shots looked like recycled versions of other people's ideas. Bucky, actually, I totally agreed with Doug on that one, and I constantly toy with and struggle to attempt to come up with original ideas, it is so hard though and often, I'll get this idea of a shot that I think will be cool, only to see something similar somewhere else and think man, *that's* already been done too! *However*, it is the nature of the beast. Brides see a shot on some website or in a magazine somewhere and say Oh, make sure you get one like this and so you're restricted with your input into the shot. And of course, every wedding has those shots that tv says you know will happen. I would add to this and say that there are shots at every wedding that are expected by every couple. Of course, the talent comes in trying to manipulate these shots into something that *isn't* just a recycled version... Catch 22 really So, generally, I try to reserve my real creativity for stuff that they don't need or require, and often, you don't have alot of time during a wedding to play with shots like this just for fun. Although, often it is the just for fun shots that are the best... hmmm, I know I just totally contradicted myself... vbg I think that, considering the various forces and demands tugging at the wedding shooter from the sundry directions, obtaining good results, let alone great or original results, is a respectable feat. Quoting Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Any wedding photographer has my utmost respect. Cool, now I am an upmostly respected PDML'er... vbg tan.
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Hi, see myth #6: http://www.phototechmag.com/previous-articles/apr-myths.htm -- Cheers, Bob Tuesday, January 6, 2004, 10:14:29 PM, you wrote: Bucky noted: I recall Doug Brewer recently telling Tanya that, although she was talented, many of her shots looked like recycled versions of other people's ideas. Bucky, actually, I totally agreed with Doug on that one, and I constantly toy with and struggle to attempt to come up with original ideas, it is so hard though and often, I'll get this idea of a shot that I think will be cool, only to see something similar somewhere else and think man, *that's* already been done too! [...]
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- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: wedding photography...ugh! I agree. I recall Doug Brewer recently telling Tanya that, although she was talented, many of her shots looked like recycled versions of other people's ideas. Perhaps that is true, I said to myself, but I have seldom seen wedding shots that don't. Certainly I've never seen any wedding photographer on THIS list produce stuff that struck me as truly original. That is not to say that it is not beautiful - some of it is most striking. I think that, considering the various forces and demands tugging at the wedding shooter from the sundry directions, obtaining good results, let alone great or original results, is a respectable feat. Most wedding photographers have a checklist of shots that need to be gotten. They start at number one, and work their way down the list. Like Mr. Rubenstein said, the customer knows what a wedding album should look like, and you had better produce one for them that looks like what they think it should look like. William Robb
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On Tuesday, January 6, 2004, at 03:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. I recall Doug Brewer recently telling Tanya that, although she was talented, many of her shots looked like recycled versions of other people's ideas. Perhaps that is true, I said to myself, but I have seldom seen wedding shots that don't. Certainly I've never seen any wedding photographer on THIS list produce stuff that struck me as truly original. That is not to say that it is not beautiful - some of it is most striking. I think that, considering the various forces and demands tugging at the wedding shooter from the sundry directions, obtaining good results, let alone great or original results, is a respectable feat. When I wrote that, I was not writing specifically about wedding photography. It crossed my mind that I should write something to indicate I meant Tanya's work on the whole, but as I'm easily distracted, the thought didn't stay in my head too long. Certainly when a client hires a wedding photographer, he/she expects a wedding photographer rather than someone who has decided to take this opportunity to do a study on footwear. You'll see in every photographer's work something that someone else has done similarly. Note I didn't say, better or worse, just similarly. The trick, of course, is to make the shot your own. Doug
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Doug said: When I wrote that, I was not writing specifically about wedding photography. It crossed my mind that I should write something to indicate I meant Tanya's work on the whole, but as I'm easily distracted, the thought didn't stay in my head too long. Actually, I suspected that you weren't directing is solely at wedding photography, I just forgot to say so as well... Certainly when a client hires a wedding photographer, he/she expects a wedding photographer rather than someone who has decided to take this opportunity to do a study on footwear. You'll see in every photographer's work something that someone else has done similarly. Note I didn't say, better or worse, just similarly. Aaargh, so Doug didn't like my thong photo... lol... tan.
