RE: *ist D Photos

2004-03-14 Thread Frits Wüthrich
With the DCRAW tool under linux, one can define a hot pixel file, and
dcraw will then interpolate around the hot pixels. I have not played
with that option yet, so I don't know if it works easy or not. As the
Photoshop CS converter is based on DCRAW, I wonder if this has the same
option.


On Sat, 2004-03-13 at 08:36, Dr. Shaun Canning wrote:
 It appears that you guys are correct. There does seem to be 3-4 pixels that are 
 visibly 'buggered'. I have contacted the vendor, but
 I don't hold much hope for a fix. I bought this camera in the USA, and I am in 
 Australia. Warranties aren't usually international
 unfortunately.
 
 I will contact the Australian distributor as well, and see what they can do.
 
 In the mean time, it's not really a problem anyway. It's nothing that I can't fix 
 with a bit of judicious cloning in PS. 
 
 Cheers
 
 Shaun 
 
 Dr. Shaun Canning
 Cultural Heritage Services
 Lawrence Way, Karratha, 
 Western Australia, 6714
 Mob: 0414-967 644
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.heritageservices.com.au
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Bucky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2004 2:45 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: *ist D Photos
 
 No, he's right.  There are at least three buggered pixels that show up in
 the same place in the frame regardless of orientation.  You should check it
 out.
 
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  -Original Message-
  From: Dr. Shaun Canning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: 12-Mar-04 22:15
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: *ist D Photos
 
 
  Hi Gonz,
 
  The tandem dragon fly's was a snap shot as they flew past me
  about 6 feet away. Amazingly, the FA 100mm macro fastened onto them
  quick enough to get that shot. It's not 100% sharp, but not bad
  for a snap.
 
  As for the stuck pixels, I think it's more a case of the water
  beneath the dragon fly's creating catch lights or hot spots Gonz.
  There is nothing wrong with the sensor, as far as I can tell.
 
 
  Thanks anyway for the compliments though.
 
  Shaun
 
  Dr. Shaun Canning
  Cultural Heritage Services
  Lawrence Way, Karratha,
  Western Australia, 6714
  Mob: 0414-967 644
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.heritageservices.com.au
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Gonz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2004 2:01 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: *ist D Photos
 
  I'm sorry, in my haste to warn you about the stuck pixels, I forgot to
  say that the pics are really nice.  I especially like the shot of the
  tandem-flys, how did you manage to get that shot!!!
 
  rg
 
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi gang,
  
  Here are the results of my first foray into the bush with an
  *ist D. all of
  the shots were taken with the *ist D, battery grip, FA 100mm
  macro. All were
  handheld. Photoshop work was limited to sharpening and adjusting
  the levels
  a bit.
  
  The files are all in the 1-3 mb range, so be warned, they'll
  take a while to
  come down the pipe via a 56k modem. None of them are resized.
  
  http://www.heritageservices.com.au/Pentax%20ist%20D%20Photos/Web%
 20Gallery/i
 ndex.htm
 
 Tell me what you think?
 
 Cheers
 
 Shaun
 
 Dr. Shaun Canning
 Cultural Heritage Services
 Lawrence Way, Karratha,
 Western Australia, 6714
 Mob: 0414-967 644
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.heritageservices.com.au
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: *ist D Photos

2004-03-13 Thread Dr. Shaun Canning
Bucky and Gonz,

The pixels turned out to be 'hot' rather than 'dead'. I ran a test through a little 
program called 'Dead Pixel Test' (freely
available on the web). An image is taken with lens and viewfinder caps on and then run 
through the program. When I first ran an
image, it showed 132 hot pixels, 0 dead. Then, I turned on 'noise reduction' in the 
custom functions menu, and ran another image.
The number of 'hot' pixels dropped to 2.

It would appear that the 'hot' pixels were noise, and as such the *ist D's noise 
reduction function should take care of most of the
'hot' pixels. 

Cheers

Shaun

Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
Lawrence Way, Karratha, 
Western Australia, 6714
Mob: 0414-967 644

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.heritageservices.com.au



-Original Message-
From: Dr. Shaun Canning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2004 3:36 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: *ist D Photos

It appears that you guys are correct. There does seem to be 3-4 pixels that are 
visibly 'buggered'. I have contacted the vendor, but
I don't hold much hope for a fix. I bought this camera in the USA, and I am in 
Australia. Warranties aren't usually international
unfortunately.

I will contact the Australian distributor as well, and see what they can do.

In the mean time, it's not really a problem anyway. It's nothing that I can't fix with 
a bit of judicious cloning in PS. 

Cheers

Shaun 

Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
Lawrence Way, Karratha, 
Western Australia, 6714
Mob: 0414-967 644

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.heritageservices.com.au



-Original Message-
From: Bucky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2004 2:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: *ist D Photos

No, he's right.  There are at least three buggered pixels that show up in
the same place in the frame regardless of orientation.  You should check it
out.

--
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www.smirkingchimp.com
www.gregpalast.com
www.monbiot.com

 -Original Message-
 From: Dr. Shaun Canning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 12-Mar-04 22:15
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: *ist D Photos


 Hi Gonz,

 The tandem dragon fly's was a snap shot as they flew past me
 about 6 feet away. Amazingly, the FA 100mm macro fastened onto them
 quick enough to get that shot. It's not 100% sharp, but not bad
 for a snap.

 As for the stuck pixels, I think it's more a case of the water
 beneath the dragon fly's creating catch lights or hot spots Gonz.
 There is nothing wrong with the sensor, as far as I can tell.


 Thanks anyway for the compliments though.

 Shaun

 Dr. Shaun Canning
 Cultural Heritage Services
 Lawrence Way, Karratha,
 Western Australia, 6714
 Mob: 0414-967 644

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.heritageservices.com.au



 -Original Message-
 From: Gonz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2004 2:01 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: *ist D Photos

 I'm sorry, in my haste to warn you about the stuck pixels, I forgot to
 say that the pics are really nice.  I especially like the shot of the
 tandem-flys, how did you manage to get that shot!!!

 rg


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi gang,
 
 Here are the results of my first foray into the bush with an
 *ist D. all of
 the shots were taken with the *ist D, battery grip, FA 100mm
 macro. All were
 handheld. Photoshop work was limited to sharpening and adjusting
 the levels
 a bit.
 
 The files are all in the 1-3 mb range, so be warned, they'll
 take a while to
 come down the pipe via a 56k modem. None of them are resized.
 
 http://www.heritageservices.com.au/Pentax%20ist%20D%20Photos/Web%
20Gallery/i
ndex.htm

Tell me what you think?

Cheers

Shaun

Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
Lawrence Way, Karratha,
Western Australia, 6714
Mob: 0414-967 644

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: *ist D Photos

2004-03-13 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Dr. Shaun Canning
Subject: RE: *ist D Photos



 It would appear that the 'hot' pixels were noise, and as such the
*ist D's noise reduction function should take care of most of the
 'hot' pixels.

The istD noise reduction isn't used for shutter speeds shorter than
1/4 second or therabouts.
You should probably take some of that money you saved buying gray
market and invest in getting the defective chip replaced.

William Robb




RE: *ist D Photos

2004-03-13 Thread alex wetmore
On Sat, 13 Mar 2004, Dr.  Shaun Canning wrote:
 Bucky and Gonz,

 The pixels turned out to be 'hot' rather than 'dead'.  I ran a test
 through a little program called 'Dead Pixel Test' (freely available
 on the web).  An image is taken with lens and viewfinder caps on and
 then run through the program.  When I first ran an image, it showed
 132 hot pixels, 0 dead.  Then, I turned on 'noise reduction' in the
 custom functions menu, and ran another image.  The number of 'hot'
 pixels dropped to 2.

 It would appear that the 'hot' pixels were noise, and as such the
 *ist D's noise reduction function should take care of most of the
 'hot' pixels.

It sounds like you ran the test with the camera at a long exposure
setting.  You should run it at all exposure settings.

My first *ist D had a number of hot pixels.  I was noticing them in
exposures of 1/125 and faster.  I didn't know about the hot pixel
test, so I just shot frames with a black body cap on from 1/4000
down to 4.  The hot pixels showed up even at 1/4000.

I bought locally, so I just returned the camera to my retailer and
picked up a different one.  They sent the camera back to Pentax.
Being able to do this was well worth the $100 extra that I paid by
buying locally.

alex



RE: *ist D Photos

2004-03-13 Thread Dr. Shaun Canning
Thanks William, but it really does appear to be working fine. 

I can live with 2 'hot' pixels out of 6.3 million. 

Cheers

Shaun

Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
Lawrence Way, Karratha, 
Western Australia, 6714
Mob: 0414-967 644

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.heritageservices.com.au



-Original Message-
From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2004 9:12 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: *ist D Photos


- Original Message - 
From: Dr. Shaun Canning
Subject: RE: *ist D Photos



 It would appear that the 'hot' pixels were noise, and as such the
*ist D's noise reduction function should take care of most of the
 'hot' pixels.

The istD noise reduction isn't used for shutter speeds shorter than
1/4 second or therabouts.
You should probably take some of that money you saved buying gray
market and invest in getting the defective chip replaced.

William Robb






RE: *ist D Photos

2004-03-13 Thread Dr. Shaun Canning
Thanks Alex, I'll try the extended test(s) tomorrow and see how it fairs. 

Cheers

Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
Lawrence Way, Karratha, 
Western Australia, 6714
Mob: 0414-967 644

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.heritageservices.com.au



-Original Message-
From: alex wetmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2004 10:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: *ist D Photos

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004, Dr.  Shaun Canning wrote:
 Bucky and Gonz,

 The pixels turned out to be 'hot' rather than 'dead'.  I ran a test
 through a little program called 'Dead Pixel Test' (freely available
 on the web).  An image is taken with lens and viewfinder caps on and
 then run through the program.  When I first ran an image, it showed
 132 hot pixels, 0 dead.  Then, I turned on 'noise reduction' in the
 custom functions menu, and ran another image.  The number of 'hot'
 pixels dropped to 2.

 It would appear that the 'hot' pixels were noise, and as such the
 *ist D's noise reduction function should take care of most of the
 'hot' pixels.

It sounds like you ran the test with the camera at a long exposure
setting.  You should run it at all exposure settings.

My first *ist D had a number of hot pixels.  I was noticing them in
exposures of 1/125 and faster.  I didn't know about the hot pixel
test, so I just shot frames with a black body cap on from 1/4000
down to 4.  The hot pixels showed up even at 1/4000.

I bought locally, so I just returned the camera to my retailer and
picked up a different one.  They sent the camera back to Pentax.
Being able to do this was well worth the $100 extra that I paid by
buying locally.

alex





RE: *ist D Photos

2004-03-13 Thread Dr. Shaun Canning
Thanks Mark. I would have liked the 'in flight' shot to be a bit sharper, but you know 
how fast these little buggers move. It was
more luck than good management. I'm pretty happy with the overall performance of the 
*ist D though, even if I do have a couple of
'hot' pixels. 

Cheers

Shaun

Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
Lawrence Way, Karratha, 
Western Australia, 6714
Mob: 0414-967 644

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.heritageservices.com.au



-Original Message-
From: Mark Cassino [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2004 2:54 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: *ist D Photos

Cool photos, especially the dragonflies in flight.

I was wondering how the *ist-D would do with bugs - looks great! (Mine 
arrived with the first snow, so no chance to test it on insects yet).

- MCC

At 12:41 PM 3/13/2004 +0800, you wrote:

Hi gang,

Here are the results of my first foray into the bush with an *ist D. all of
the shots were taken with the *ist D, battery grip, FA 100mm macro. All were
handheld. Photoshop work was limited to sharpening and adjusting the levels
a bit.

The files are all in the 1-3 mb range, so be warned, they'll take a while to
come down the pipe via a 56k modem. None of them are resized.

http://www.heritageservices.com.au/Pentax%20ist%20D%20Photos/Web%20Gallery/i
ndex.htm

Tell me what you think?

Cheers

Shaun

Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
Lawrence Way, Karratha,
Western Australia, 6714
Mob: 0414-967 644

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.heritageservices.com.au

-

Mark Cassino Photography

Kalamazoo, MI

http://www.markcassino.com

-





Re: *ist D Photos

2004-03-13 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Dr. Shaun Canning
Subject: RE: *ist D Photos


 Thanks Mark. I would have liked the 'in flight' shot to be a bit
sharper, but you know how fast these little buggers move. It was
 more luck than good management. I'm pretty happy with the overall
performance of the *ist D though, even if I do have a couple of
 'hot' pixels.

That got lost in my reply.
Cool photos

William Robb




RE: *ist D Photos

2004-03-13 Thread Dr. Shaun Canning
Thanks William!

Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
Lawrence Way, Karratha, 
Western Australia, 6714
Mob: 0414-967 644

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www.heritageservices.com.au



-Original Message-
From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2004 8:58 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: *ist D Photos


- Original Message - 
From: Dr. Shaun Canning
Subject: RE: *ist D Photos


 Thanks Mark. I would have liked the 'in flight' shot to be a bit
sharper, but you know how fast these little buggers move. It was
 more luck than good management. I'm pretty happy with the overall
performance of the *ist D though, even if I do have a couple of
 'hot' pixels.

That got lost in my reply.
Cool photos

William Robb






Re: *ist D Photos

2004-03-12 Thread Gonz
Shaun,

Hate to point out problems, but you seem to have a bad sensor.  I 
noticed several shots that consistently showed stuck/hot pixels, 
especially the dragon fly stills.  There are at least three distinct 
bright dots on those pictures, which may be each composed of one or more 
stuck/hot pixels.  If I were you I would take it back and get another one.

Cheers,

rg

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi gang, 

Here are the results of my first foray into the bush with an *ist D. all of
the shots were taken with the *ist D, battery grip, FA 100mm macro. All were
handheld. Photoshop work was limited to sharpening and adjusting the levels
a bit. 

The files are all in the 1-3 mb range, so be warned, they'll take a while to
come down the pipe via a 56k modem. None of them are resized. 

http://www.heritageservices.com.au/Pentax%20ist%20D%20Photos/Web%20Gallery/i
ndex.htm
Tell me what you think?

Cheers

Shaun

Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
Lawrence Way, Karratha, 
Western Australia, 6714
Mob: 0414-967 644

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.heritageservices.com.au




 

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Re: *ist D Photos

2004-03-12 Thread Gonz
I'm sorry, in my haste to warn you about the stuck pixels, I forgot to 
say that the pics are really nice.  I especially like the shot of the 
tandem-flys, how did you manage to get that shot!!!

rg

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi gang, 

Here are the results of my first foray into the bush with an *ist D. all of
the shots were taken with the *ist D, battery grip, FA 100mm macro. All were
handheld. Photoshop work was limited to sharpening and adjusting the levels
a bit. 

The files are all in the 1-3 mb range, so be warned, they'll take a while to
come down the pipe via a 56k modem. None of them are resized. 

http://www.heritageservices.com.au/Pentax%20ist%20D%20Photos/Web%20Gallery/i
ndex.htm
Tell me what you think?

Cheers

Shaun

Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
Lawrence Way, Karratha, 
Western Australia, 6714
Mob: 0414-967 644

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.heritageservices.com.au




 

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Re: *ist D Photos

2004-03-12 Thread Gonz
Shaun,

Hate to point out problems, but you seem to have a bad sensor.  I 
noticed several shots that consistently showed stuck/hot pixels, 
especially the dragon fly stills.  There are at least three distinct 
bright dots on those pictures, which may be each composed of one or more 
stuck/hot pixels.  If I were you I would take it back and get another one.

Cheers,

rg



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi gang, 

Here are the results of my first foray into the bush with an *ist D. all of
the shots were taken with the *ist D, battery grip, FA 100mm macro. All were
handheld. Photoshop work was limited to sharpening and adjusting the levels
a bit. 

The files are all in the 1-3 mb range, so be warned, they'll take a while to
come down the pipe via a 56k modem. None of them are resized. 

http://www.heritageservices.com.au/Pentax%20ist%20D%20Photos/Web%20Gallery/i
ndex.htm
Tell me what you think?

Cheers

Shaun

Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
Lawrence Way, Karratha, 
Western Australia, 6714
Mob: 0414-967 644

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.heritageservices.com.au







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Re: *ist D Photos

2004-03-12 Thread Gonz
I'm sorry, in my haste to warn you about the stuck pixels, I forgot to 
say that the pics are really nice.  I especially like the shot of the 
tandem-flys, how did you manage to get that shot!!!

rg

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi gang, 

Here are the results of my first foray into the bush with an *ist D. all of
the shots were taken with the *ist D, battery grip, FA 100mm macro. All were
handheld. Photoshop work was limited to sharpening and adjusting the levels
a bit. 

The files are all in the 1-3 mb range, so be warned, they'll take a while to
come down the pipe via a 56k modem. None of them are resized. 

http://www.heritageservices.com.au/Pentax%20ist%20D%20Photos/Web%20Gallery/i
ndex.htm
Tell me what you think?

Cheers

Shaun

Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
Lawrence Way, Karratha, 
Western Australia, 6714
Mob: 0414-967 644

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.heritageservices.com.au







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RE: *ist D Photos

2004-03-12 Thread Dr. Shaun Canning
Hi Gonz, 

The tandem dragon fly's was a snap shot as they flew past me about 6 feet away. 
Amazingly, the FA 100mm macro fastened onto them
quick enough to get that shot. It's not 100% sharp, but not bad for a snap. 

As for the stuck pixels, I think it's more a case of the water beneath the dragon 
fly's creating catch lights or hot spots Gonz.
There is nothing wrong with the sensor, as far as I can tell. 


Thanks anyway for the compliments though. 

Shaun

Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
Lawrence Way, Karratha, 
Western Australia, 6714
Mob: 0414-967 644

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.heritageservices.com.au



-Original Message-
From: Gonz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2004 2:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: *ist D Photos

I'm sorry, in my haste to warn you about the stuck pixels, I forgot to 
say that the pics are really nice.  I especially like the shot of the 
tandem-flys, how did you manage to get that shot!!!

rg


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi gang, 

Here are the results of my first foray into the bush with an *ist D. all of
the shots were taken with the *ist D, battery grip, FA 100mm macro. All were
handheld. Photoshop work was limited to sharpening and adjusting the levels
a bit. 

The files are all in the 1-3 mb range, so be warned, they'll take a while to
come down the pipe via a 56k modem. None of them are resized. 

http://www.heritageservices.com.au/Pentax%20ist%20D%20Photos/Web%20Gallery/i
ndex.htm

Tell me what you think?

Cheers

Shaun

Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
Lawrence Way, Karratha, 
Western Australia, 6714
Mob: 0414-967 644

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.heritageservices.com.au






  


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RE: *ist D Photos

2004-03-12 Thread Bucky
No, he's right.  There are at least three buggered pixels that show up in
the same place in the frame regardless of orientation.  You should check it
out.

--
Ask not at whom the Chimp smirks - he smirks at you.
www.smirkingchimp.com
www.gregpalast.com
www.monbiot.com

 -Original Message-
 From: Dr. Shaun Canning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 12-Mar-04 22:15
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: *ist D Photos


 Hi Gonz,

 The tandem dragon fly's was a snap shot as they flew past me
 about 6 feet away. Amazingly, the FA 100mm macro fastened onto them
 quick enough to get that shot. It's not 100% sharp, but not bad
 for a snap.

 As for the stuck pixels, I think it's more a case of the water
 beneath the dragon fly's creating catch lights or hot spots Gonz.
 There is nothing wrong with the sensor, as far as I can tell.


 Thanks anyway for the compliments though.

 Shaun

 Dr. Shaun Canning
 Cultural Heritage Services
 Lawrence Way, Karratha,
 Western Australia, 6714
 Mob: 0414-967 644

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.heritageservices.com.au



 -Original Message-
 From: Gonz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2004 2:01 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: *ist D Photos

 I'm sorry, in my haste to warn you about the stuck pixels, I forgot to
 say that the pics are really nice.  I especially like the shot of the
 tandem-flys, how did you manage to get that shot!!!

 rg


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi gang,
 
 Here are the results of my first foray into the bush with an
 *ist D. all of
 the shots were taken with the *ist D, battery grip, FA 100mm
 macro. All were
 handheld. Photoshop work was limited to sharpening and adjusting
 the levels
 a bit.
 
 The files are all in the 1-3 mb range, so be warned, they'll
 take a while to
 come down the pipe via a 56k modem. None of them are resized.
 
 http://www.heritageservices.com.au/Pentax%20ist%20D%20Photos/Web%
20Gallery/i
ndex.htm

Tell me what you think?

Cheers

Shaun

Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
Lawrence Way, Karratha,
Western Australia, 6714
Mob: 0414-967 644

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.heritageservices.com.au









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RE: *ist D Photos

2004-03-12 Thread Dr. Shaun Canning
Which frames Bucky? 

Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
Lawrence Way, Karratha, 
Western Australia, 6714
Mob: 0414-967 644

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-Original Message-
From: Bucky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2004 2:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: *ist D Photos

No, he's right.  There are at least three buggered pixels that show up in
the same place in the frame regardless of orientation.  You should check it
out.

--
Ask not at whom the Chimp smirks - he smirks at you.
www.smirkingchimp.com
www.gregpalast.com
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 -Original Message-
 From: Dr. Shaun Canning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 12-Mar-04 22:15
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: *ist D Photos


 Hi Gonz,

 The tandem dragon fly's was a snap shot as they flew past me
 about 6 feet away. Amazingly, the FA 100mm macro fastened onto them
 quick enough to get that shot. It's not 100% sharp, but not bad
 for a snap.

 As for the stuck pixels, I think it's more a case of the water
 beneath the dragon fly's creating catch lights or hot spots Gonz.
 There is nothing wrong with the sensor, as far as I can tell.


 Thanks anyway for the compliments though.

 Shaun

 Dr. Shaun Canning
 Cultural Heritage Services
 Lawrence Way, Karratha,
 Western Australia, 6714
 Mob: 0414-967 644

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.heritageservices.com.au



 -Original Message-
 From: Gonz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2004 2:01 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: *ist D Photos

 I'm sorry, in my haste to warn you about the stuck pixels, I forgot to
 say that the pics are really nice.  I especially like the shot of the
 tandem-flys, how did you manage to get that shot!!!

 rg


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi gang,
 
 Here are the results of my first foray into the bush with an
 *ist D. all of
 the shots were taken with the *ist D, battery grip, FA 100mm
 macro. All were
 handheld. Photoshop work was limited to sharpening and adjusting
 the levels
 a bit.
 
 The files are all in the 1-3 mb range, so be warned, they'll
 take a while to
 come down the pipe via a 56k modem. None of them are resized.
 
 http://www.heritageservices.com.au/Pentax%20ist%20D%20Photos/Web%
20Gallery/i
ndex.htm

Tell me what you think?

Cheers

Shaun

Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
Lawrence Way, Karratha,
Western Australia, 6714
Mob: 0414-967 644

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RE: *ist D Photos

2004-03-12 Thread Dr. Shaun Canning
It appears that you guys are correct. There does seem to be 3-4 pixels that are 
visibly 'buggered'. I have contacted the vendor, but
I don't hold much hope for a fix. I bought this camera in the USA, and I am in 
Australia. Warranties aren't usually international
unfortunately.

I will contact the Australian distributor as well, and see what they can do.

In the mean time, it's not really a problem anyway. It's nothing that I can't fix with 
a bit of judicious cloning in PS. 

Cheers

Shaun 

Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
Lawrence Way, Karratha, 
Western Australia, 6714
Mob: 0414-967 644

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-Original Message-
From: Bucky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2004 2:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: *ist D Photos

No, he's right.  There are at least three buggered pixels that show up in
the same place in the frame regardless of orientation.  You should check it
out.

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 -Original Message-
 From: Dr. Shaun Canning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 12-Mar-04 22:15
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: *ist D Photos


 Hi Gonz,

 The tandem dragon fly's was a snap shot as they flew past me
 about 6 feet away. Amazingly, the FA 100mm macro fastened onto them
 quick enough to get that shot. It's not 100% sharp, but not bad
 for a snap.

 As for the stuck pixels, I think it's more a case of the water
 beneath the dragon fly's creating catch lights or hot spots Gonz.
 There is nothing wrong with the sensor, as far as I can tell.


 Thanks anyway for the compliments though.

 Shaun

 Dr. Shaun Canning
 Cultural Heritage Services
 Lawrence Way, Karratha,
 Western Australia, 6714
 Mob: 0414-967 644

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.heritageservices.com.au



 -Original Message-
 From: Gonz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2004 2:01 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: *ist D Photos

 I'm sorry, in my haste to warn you about the stuck pixels, I forgot to
 say that the pics are really nice.  I especially like the shot of the
 tandem-flys, how did you manage to get that shot!!!

 rg


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi gang,
 
 Here are the results of my first foray into the bush with an
 *ist D. all of
 the shots were taken with the *ist D, battery grip, FA 100mm
 macro. All were
 handheld. Photoshop work was limited to sharpening and adjusting
 the levels
 a bit.
 
 The files are all in the 1-3 mb range, so be warned, they'll
 take a while to
 come down the pipe via a 56k modem. None of them are resized.
 
 http://www.heritageservices.com.au/Pentax%20ist%20D%20Photos/Web%
20Gallery/i
ndex.htm

Tell me what you think?

Cheers

Shaun

Dr. Shaun Canning
Cultural Heritage Services
Lawrence Way, Karratha,
Western Australia, 6714
Mob: 0414-967 644

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: *ist-D photos

2003-08-25 Thread cyberstudio
  They're so expensive that only a limited number
of photographers can
  afford them ;-)
 
 ...or so good that only a limited number of
photographers notice 
 the 
 difference?
 
 DagT (not owning one, just wanting one)

Same boat as you are: not owning one, just wanting
one. For my bank account's sake, I am running into
self-denial mode that there is no difference for me,
or at least it won't justify the more than 2x price
difference over my Carl Zeiss 2,8/90 Sonnar for
Contax G. The desire for the Limited is not
unfixable, or at least so I hope, just stay out of a
1-mile range from the Limited lenses and use some
hypnosis.



Re: *ist-D photos

2003-08-24 Thread Pål Jensen
Mark wrote:

Ooh, I just thought of one!
I want that sloping top panel that the MZ-S has! (Yeah, I was using a
tripod all the time and trying to read the LCD and controls on the top
of the camera.)


REPLY:

This is typically one of those features few think a lot about until one actually start 
using it. The MZ-S is wonderful on a tripod!

Pål





Re: *ist-D photos

2003-08-24 Thread Pål Jensen
Cameron wrote:

That 31mm limited shot is just friggin amazing!


REPLY:
The 31 Limited is a friggin amazing lens. Like all the Limiteds   :o)

Pål





Re: *ist-D photos

2003-08-24 Thread whickersworld
Anders Hultman wrote:

 One thing I've wondered for some time now, what does
Limited mean
 here? In what way are these lenses limited?



It means that they have Limited Appeal.

(They certainly don't appeal to me!)

;-)

John



Re: *ist-D photos

2003-08-24 Thread Pål Jensen
Anders wrote:

 One thing I've wondered for some time now, what does Limited mean 
 here? In what way are these lenses limited?

It is just a name to signalise something exclusive. Some have speculated that Pentax 
originally choose this name to have a way out in case it flopped...They could then 
just say it was meant as limited edition...


Pål





Re: *ist-D photos

2003-08-24 Thread Mark Roberts
whickersworld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Anders Hultman wrote:

 One thing I've wondered for some time now, what does
Limited mean here? In what way are these lenses limited?

It means that they have Limited Appeal.

(They certainly don't appeal to me!)

Don't shoot any film with one. That'll change your mind, much to the
detriment of your bank balance.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: *ist-D photos

2003-08-19 Thread Mark Cassino
At 11:15 AM 8/18/2003 -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:

Just uploaded 6 shots taken with the *ist-D this past weekend at
Grandfather Mountain.
Thanks for the samples and the hands on reviews - and thanks to Steve, 
Graywolf, and everyone else.  Looks a the *ist-D is gonna be a real winner!

- MCC

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Kalamazoo, MI
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Re: *ist-D photos

2003-08-19 Thread Mark Roberts
Cameron Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

That 31mm limited shot is just friggin amazing!

Pity I didn't have a diffuser or some kind of shade handy as a little
spot of direct sunlight blew out the highlights of that flower in the
upper right-hand corner. Still, I think the overall latitude is slightly
greater than slide film.


On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 12:51  PM, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:15:47 -0400
 From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: *ist-D photos
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

 Just uploaded 6 shots taken with the *ist-D this past weekend at
 Grandfather Mountain. They're medium resolution JPEGs of moderate
 physical size (horizontally-oriented shots are only 1000 pixels 
 wide)...

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: *ist-D photos

2003-08-19 Thread Mark Roberts
I've moved the sample photos:
http://www.robertstech.com/temp.htm

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: *ist-D photos

2003-08-19 Thread Ed Tyler
Digital camera sensors are very unforgiving of blown highlights, they are
however most forgiving of underexposure.  My suspicion after looking at the
pictures is there was possibly more latitude available to you.  It is
amazing what shadow detail can be retrieved from what appears to be a
blocked up shadow.

Ed.

 Pity I didn't have a diffuser or some kind of shade handy as a little
 spot of direct sunlight blew out the highlights of that flower in the
 upper right-hand corner. Still, I think the overall latitude is slightly
 greater than slide film.

 Just uploaded 6 shots taken with the *ist-D this past weekend at
 Grandfather Mountain. They're medium resolution JPEGs of moderate
 physical size (horizontally-oriented shots are only 1000 pixels
 wide)...





Re: *ist-D photos

2003-08-19 Thread Ed Tyler
Mark,

The images are great.  I talked to Don, and he, in his gentle and persuasive
manner, he made me feel really bad for not having been on the Mountain.  I
have been reading what I can find about the *istD and believe that Pentax
has an excellent product that they intend to aggressively compete with.
After talking with Don, I believe that we are going to be truly amazed at
just how aggressive Pentax is prepared to be in the digital market.

I am glad that they choose the 2/3rds sensor. The 6 mega pixel cameras have
proven themselves capable of producing finished images that can compete with
film based 35mm images.  Pentax, by taking their time in entering the
Digital SLR market has delivered a much more compact and better designed
camera.  It is my personal opinion that because of the instant feedback
digital cameras offer, the digital photographer has an opportunity to
consistently capture images of higher quality.  The 2/3rds sensor allows and
encourages photographers to lighten their camera bags, 300mm lenses act like
450mm, 400mm lenses act like very expensive and very heavy 600mm lenses.
Other gadgets, like tripods, ball heads, filters, and camera bags can get
smaller and lighter with no loss of quality or function.

The start up knowledge curve for digital cameras is deceptive.  Many of the
choices for camera settings are not intuitive even for an accomplished
photographer.  You make the point when you talk about white balance.
Digital cameras have a habit of correcting that which does not need
correcting.  White in the golden light of morning does not need to be
balanced to pure white.  When the ability to handle RAW files arrives with
production cameras you will be able to adjust white balance, saturation,
contrast and other such items in post processing.  This implies that the
user invests the time to learn how to use one of the image processing
software programs, such as Photoshop.


  Just uploaded 6 shots taken with the *ist-D this past weekend at
 Grandfather Mountain. They're medium resolution JPEGs of moderate
 physical size (horizontally-oriented shots are only 1000 pixels wide).
 No, I'm not going to upload the full 2000 x 3000 pixel images to my web
 site or email them out. I have time/bandwidth limitations!
 
 Some notes:
 Between the very hazy atmospheric conditions and my unfamiliarity with
 the camera, I got the white balance screwed up. I corrected the shots
 somewhat with FilterSim and Photoshop. I have done levels adjustment and
 a little sharpening (which will have emphasized the noise somewhat).
 
 The camera was pre-production so final version firmware should be much
 better. I suspect the Powers That Be at Pentax let the rep borrow the
 camera they could most afford to spare - in other words, the earliest,
 buggiest one! Still, I was pretty much blown away by how it well it
 performed and the image quality. Ergonomics are superb for the most
 part. It's really small by film camera standards; tiny by DSLR
 standards. Powers up and comes on line really quickly! I didn't know how
 much the batteries had been used and, having no extras myself, decided
 to be very conservative with power, just to be safe. I turned the camera
 off between shots and turned it on when I wanted to shoot. Came on
 almost as quickly as a film camera.
 
 Viewfinder is great. Similar to MZ-S. Tom Van Veen said he liked the
 viewfinder a little better than his Canon 10D, which is itself better
 than the Nikon D100. AF is brilliant. Fast and accurate. Easy to choose
 AF points. I didn't try out the FAJ 18-35 lens - I just used my own
 Sigma 300/2.8, K15/3.5 and F100/2.8 macro, along with a borrowed 31mm
 Limited. The camera only meters wide open on the K lens and doesn't stop
 down the diaphragm when shooting. I loosened up the lens on the lens
 mount (not letting it click into place when mounting). This let it
 function as a stop-down diaphragm lens. I'm going to drill an additional
 lock-divot in the lens mount of my 15mm to allow this easily when I get
 my own *ist-D.
 
 I believe everyone who used the camera was very, very impressed with it.
 Can't think of any complaints other than the metering with K lenses.
 Pentax will probably find that sales are limited only by the rate at
 which Sony can supply them with CCDs. This camera rocks.






Re: *ist-D photos

2003-08-18 Thread Mark Roberts
Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Can't think of any complaints other than the metering with K lenses.

Ooh, I just thought of one!
I want that sloping top panel that the MZ-S has! (Yeah, I was using a
tripod all the time and trying to read the LCD and controls on the top
of the camera.)

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: *ist-D photos

2003-08-18 Thread Mark Roberts
Followup:

I just did a 150% size increase on a 6 megapixel *ist-D image using
Genuine Fractals and it looks friggin' amazing! Apparently GF works much
better when has a grain-free, low-noise image to work with. At least
that's my guess. The results look *very* impressive.

Now I have to order a new ink cartridge to make a print because I've
just run out!

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: *ist-D photos

2003-08-18 Thread Cameron Hood
The macro is just friggin' amazing! And the other shots are equally 
wonderful. I may just be glad I waited. Can't wait to see how the 85 
f1.4 does.

Nice work, Mr. Roberts.

Cameron

On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 12:51  PM, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:24:57 -0400
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: *ist-D photos
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Followup:

I just did a 150% size increase on a 6 megapixel *ist-D image using
Genuine Fractals and it looks friggin' amazing! Apparently GF works 
much
better when has a grain-free, low-noise image to work with. At least
that's my guess. The results look *very* impressive.

Now I have to order a new ink cartridge to make a print because I've
just run out!
--
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: *ist-D photos

2003-08-18 Thread Cameron Hood
Good slide film and the world's most perfect scanning job.

C

On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 12:51  PM, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:37:09 +0300
From: Gasha [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: *ist-D photos
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Great colors!!
And sharp...
Looks like shot on slides:)

Gasha

Mark Roberts wrote:

Just uploaded 6 shots taken with the *ist-D this past weekend at
Grandfather Mountain. They're medium resolution JPEGs of moderate
physical size (horizontally-oriented shots are only 1000 pixels wide).
No, I'm not going to upload the full 2000 x 3000 pixel images to my 
web
site or email them out. I have time/bandwidth limitations!



Re: *ist D photos - 11 AF sensor placement

2003-02-28 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
Michel Carrère-Gée a écrit:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit:

I think Dario B. tried to tell us last week.  It was 3 by 3 with two 
'wings' on the horizontal direction.   Bob S.


Dumb question, anyone know whatth 11 sensor AF
pattern is, I've seem the metering but not AF sensor
placement, anyone know or did I miss something.

See the flash on Pentax.jp:

  ***
***
  ***
Too bad !  3+7+3=13
  ***
 *
  ***
3+5+3=11 good.

Michel




Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-28 Thread Herb Chong
sorry, but you guys don't get it. 0 and 1 as equivalent to off and on connect only 
after you have been around computers. the ISO
committee that decided this along with a lot of other symbols were aiming for a lot 
lower. since none of you guys bother reading the
documentation for the symbols themselves, there is nothing more to be said from me.

Herb
- Original Message -
From: Ryan K. Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 22:16
Subject: Re: *ist D photos


 I seriously doubt that.  0 and 1 have their roots in math, far before
 computers or hydraulics.  0 times something is nothing, 1 times
 something is something.   Algebra, Boolean math, etc.   I can't think of
 anything more universal for on/off.

 Even non-latinic folks tend to understand/use 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 and 9.

 -R







Re: *ist D photos - 11 AF sensor placement

2003-02-28 Thread Rfsindg
Like I said,  a 3 by 3 matrix with two wings on the horizontal direction.
1 + 3x3 + 1
Regards,  Bob S.

In a message dated 2/28/03 4:21:07 AM Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 ***
*
 ***
  
  3+5+3=11 good.
  
  Michel



Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-28 Thread Keith Whaley


Herb Chong wrote:
 
 sorry, but you guys don't get it. 0 and 1 as equivalent to off 
 and on connect only after you have been around computers. the ISO
 committee that decided this along with a lot of other symbols were 
 aiming for a lot lower. since none of you guys bother reading the
 documentation for the symbols themselves, there is nothing more to 
 be said from me.

I asked to be pointed toward said documentation, and so far all it is
is talk. No pointers. Where IS this ISO document?
 
 Herb

keith

 - Original Message -
 From: Ryan K. Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 22:16
 Subject: Re: *ist D photos
 
  I seriously doubt that.  0 and 1 have their roots in math, far before
  computers or hydraulics.  0 times something is nothing, 1 times
  something is something.   Algebra, Boolean math, etc.   I can't think of
  anything more universal for on/off.
 
  Even non-latinic folks tend to understand/use 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 and 9.
 
  -R
 
 



ON and OFF symbols (was: Re: *ist D photos)

2003-02-28 Thread Paul Franklin Stregevsky
Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
0 and 1 as equivalent to off and on connect only after you have been around
computers. the ISO committee that decided this along with a lot of other
symbols were aiming for a lot lower. since none of you guys bother reading
the documentation for the symbols themselves, there is nothing more to be
said from me.

I'm working on a technical manual whose procedures were originally written
by a bright engineer. Yet in his drafts, he consisently writes, Turn the
power switch on (O), using the letter instead of the digit.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 




Re: ON and OFF symbols (was: Re: *ist D photos)

2003-02-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28 Feb 2003 at 8:54, Paul Franklin Stregevsky wrote:

 I'm working on a technical manual whose procedures were originally written
 by a bright engineer. Yet in his drafts, he consisently writes, Turn the
 power switch on (O), using the letter instead of the digit.

See ISO/IEC/JTC1 Graphical Symbols for Office Equipment:

http://eetd.lbl.gov/Controls/overview/symbols1.pdf

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-28 Thread Frits Wüthrich
On Thursday 27 February 2003 23:07, Mark Roberts wrote:
 Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thursday 27 February 2003 16:52, Mike Johnston wrote:
  I prefer the following symbols for on and off:
 
  On for on
 
  Off for off
 
  These make sense to me and I seldom find myself confused
 
  --Mike
 
 No, that doesn't make sense.
 
 This makes sense:
 
 Aan for on
 
 Uit for off

 I guess that explains why they use symbols rather than words, doesn't
 it? Can you imagine trying to make camera bodies labeled in all the
 different languages for places where they're sold?
That was exactly what crossed my mind when I wrote that.
-- 
Frits Wüthrich
Pentaxianado



Re: ON and OFF symbols (was: Re: *ist D photos)

2003-02-28 Thread frank theriault
This is a really silly thread.

I'm guessing that once one buys the camera, takes the 15 seconds to figure out
how to turn it on and off (assuming that one doesn't know what the symbols
mean), it will be remembered pretty much forever.

What freaking difference does it make ~what the symbols are~?

Honestly...
g

cheers,
frank

Rob Studdert wrote:

 On 28 Feb 2003 at 8:54, Paul Franklin Stregevsky wrote:

  I'm working on a technical manual whose procedures were originally written
  by a bright engineer. Yet in his drafts, he consisently writes, Turn the
  power switch on (O), using the letter instead of the digit.

 See ISO/IEC/JTC1 Graphical Symbols for Office Equipment:

 http://eetd.lbl.gov/Controls/overview/symbols1.pdf

 Rob Studdert
 HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
 Tel +61-2-9554-4110
 UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html

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Re: ON and OFF symbols (was: Re: *ist D photos)

2003-02-28 Thread Herb Chong
thanks, Rob, i couldn't find which ISO standard number it was. looked all over the ISO 
web site.

Herb
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From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:15
Subject: Re: ON and OFF symbols (was: Re: *ist D photos)


 On 28 Feb 2003 at 8:54, Paul Franklin Stregevsky wrote:

  I'm working on a technical manual whose procedures were originally written
  by a bright engineer. Yet in his drafts, he consisently writes, Turn the
  power switch on (O), using the letter instead of the digit.

 See ISO/IEC/JTC1 Graphical Symbols for Office Equipment:

 http://eetd.lbl.gov/Controls/overview/symbols1.pdf

 Rob Studdert
 HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
 Tel +61-2-9554-4110
 UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html






Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Rob Studdert
On 27 Feb 2003 at 0:26, Mike Johnston wrote:

  Don't count on ISO 50 - if this is the same chip as the D100 slowest
  ISO is 200.  But I believe it does go to 1600.
 
 
 That's not chip-dependent, that's circuitry-dependent, I'm pretty sure.

It's both, the chip has inherent noise as do the amplifiers and analogue to 
digital convertors. The combination of sensitivity, noise performance and 
saturation of these primary system elements control the minimum ISO, the 
maximum acceptable ISO and the dynamic range of the system. Post digitisation 
processing can mask inherent physical constraints but doesn't eliminate them.

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Bruce Dayton
Alan,

That is only useful if you can preview the shot.  Because of the SLR
nature - the mirror/prism in the way, you can't preview the shot. None
of the existing DSLR's have a swing LCD - no benefit except to break
easier.


Bruce



Thursday, February 27, 2003, 12:19:10 AM, you wrote:

AC Where's the swing LCD? Isn't it useful?

AC regards,
AC Alan Chan

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Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread David Mann
I want one.

This is just what I wanted: a DSLR which can take my macro lens without 
requiring a mortgage to do so.

Cheers,

- Dave

http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/




RE: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread zoomshot

Comrades!

http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-1L.jpg

http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-2L.jpg

Wow!

Ken


Well aren't they just something else. You have just made my day, must get
going to work!

Ziggy




RE: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Rob Brigham
LOL Alan!

Well, what do you expect - the anticipation got the better of us for a
while there...

 -Original Message-
 From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 27 February 2003 08:19
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: *ist D photos
 
 
 Where's the swing LCD? Isn't it useful?
 
 regards,
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RE: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Nagaraj, Ramesh
more pics at http://www.dpreview.com/news/0302/03022602pentaxistd.asp

Ramesh

-Original Message-
From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 3:33 AM
To: Alan Chan
Subject: Re: *ist D photos


Alan,

That is only useful if you can preview the shot.  Because of the SLR
nature - the mirror/prism in the way, you can't preview the shot. None
of the existing DSLR's have a swing LCD - no benefit except to break
easier.


Bruce



Thursday, February 27, 2003, 12:19:10 AM, you wrote:

AC Where's the swing LCD? Isn't it useful?

AC regards,
AC Alan Chan

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RE: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Cotty
Finally!

Very nice indeed.

That camera is SMALL.

Sorry, that should read:

THAT CAMERA IS small.

Cotty


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Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
on 27.02.03 10:29, Nagaraj, Ramesh at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 more pics at http://www.dpreview.com/news/0302/03022602pentaxistd.asp
 
Have you seen lens sunshade? It is petal type - this means that this new
wide zoom has IF (internal focusing) and thus doesn't rotate its front!

-- 
Best Regards
Sylwek





Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Jeff Tsai
Black is good... that silver body reminds me too much of a cheap EOS 
Kiss...

On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 07:51  PM, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

And it is black !!




Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Artur Ledóchowski
I've just fallen in love with this camera. Its an excellent combinations of
both MZ-like and Z-like designs.
WOW
Regards
Artur
- Original Message -
From: KT Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pentax Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 2:50 AM
Subject: *ist D photos


 Comrades!

 http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-1L.jpg

 http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-2L.jpg

 Wow!

 Ken


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Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Jan van Wijk
Wow!

Looks really good, two wheels a bit like the PZ-1p ...

And my 31mm and 77mm limiteds in black look like a perfect match :-)

Regards, JvW

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:09:23 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-1L.jpg
  
  http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-2L.jpg
  
--
Jan van Wijk;   http://www.dfsee.com/gallery




Re: *ist D photos - 11 AF sensor placement

2003-02-27 Thread Rfsindg
I think Dario B. tried to tell us last week.  It was 3 by 3 with two 'wings' 
on the horizontal direction.   Bob S.

  Dumb question, anyone know whatth 11 sensor AF
  pattern is, I've seem the metering but not AF sensor
  placement, anyone know or did I miss something.



Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Keith Whaley


J. C. O'Connell wrote:
 
 
  My brain does not process icons well. I still find it a 50-50 proposition
  selecting between O and I when I want to power on new computer
  equipment - I
  have no idea if O means On or empty or Off or what.
 
 Those are not O  I, they are 0 (zero ) and 1 (one).
 zero = off, 1 = on. Very easy.
 JCO

Hardly intuitive, is it. 
In what parlance/language does 1 stand for on? Binary? On an A/C
line power switch?
And, if it  was meant to be a zero, it should have had the slant bar
thru it, like '0', to avoid just this sort of ambiguity.
Hmmm. The electrical symbol for current is 'I'... 
Anyhow, it is a curiosity!

Most ordinary humans do not think in terms of binary symbols when it
comes to ordinary, everyday items like hardware power switches. My
wall switches, even the toggle or rocker ones, do not have 1 and 0, or
even I and O on them.

keith



Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Keith Whaley
What ISO spec?
There are a ton of ISO specs, aren't there?

keith

Herb Chong wrote:
 
 have you read the ISO spec?
 
 Herb...

 - Original Message -
 From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 02:42
 Subject: RE: *ist D photos
 
  I think not
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 2:17 AM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: *ist D photos
  
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 00:32
   Subject: RE: *ist D photos
  
  
 My brain does not process icons well. I still find it a 50-50
   proposition
 selecting between O and I when I want to power on new computer
 equipment - I
 have no idea if O means On or empty or Off or what.
   
Those are not O  I, they are 0 (zero ) and 1 (one).
zero = off, 1 = on. Very easy.
JCO
  
   actually, not. look through a pipe with a full shutoff butterfly
   valve. O is closed with valve stopping it, and | is open with valve
   turned 90 degrees. that doesn't mean that the symbols are any
   more intuitive, but that is why they chose those symbols.
  
   Herb



Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Butch Black
That gets both my thumbs up! If God had given me a few more thumbs it would
get them too... But unfortunately I've only got two.

But then you wouldn't be able to operate a camera...you'd be all thumbs
GROAN

BUTCH

Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself.

Hermann Hess (Damien)




RE: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread zoomshot

What's a Hyper button?

Someone's already pressed it ;-)

This list has gone nuts!

Cotty

Nope, just plain crazy..

Ziggy 




Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Mike Johnston
 Hardly intuitive, is it.
 In what parlance/language does 1 stand for on? Binary? On an A/C
 line power switch?
 And, if it  was meant to be a zero, it should have had the slant bar
 thru it, like '0', to avoid just this sort of ambiguity.
 Hmmm. The electrical symbol for current is 'I'...
 Anyhow, it is a curiosity!
 
 Most ordinary humans do not think in terms of binary symbols when it
 comes to ordinary, everyday items like hardware power switches. My
 wall switches, even the toggle or rocker ones, do not have 1 and 0, or
 even I and O on them.


I prefer the following symbols for on and off:

On for on

Off for off

These make sense to me and I seldom find myself confused

--Mike



Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Evan Hanson
This could probably done pretty easily using some kind of MLU feature.  Does
the film *ist have MLU?
Evan


Rob Brigham wrote:

 According to this clip from CNet, the 1.8 LCD on this new Pentax can
 also be used as a viewfinder - if true, this will be a first for a DSLR.

 http://electronics.cnet.com/electronics/0-6613935-8-20547866-9.html?tag=
 st.ce.6613935-8-20547866-5.dir.6613935-8-20547866-9

 I am a bit sceptical of this, but as I said before - never say can't!

 Its not that it cannot be done, just that no manufacturer has CHOSEN to
 do it yet (unless Cnet are right)!





Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Peter Alling
Only one word.  Tiny.

Ok, and a comment, amazingly like the film *ist.

At 08:50 PM 2/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Comrades!

http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-1L.jpg

http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-2L.jpg

Wow!

Ken
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.  --Groucho Marx


Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Frits Wüthrich
On Thursday 27 February 2003 07:01, Rob Studdert wrote:
 On 26 Feb 2003 at 23:26, Stan Halpin wrote:
  Can anyone explain the icon on the front for me? It shows an open
  rectangle sitting on two inward sloping wedges or ramps or something. The
  icon is next to the button just above the manual-auto focus slide switch.

 It's the white balance button, that's pretty much a universal symbol for
 WB now.

 Rob Studdert
 HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
 Tel +61-2-9554-4110
 UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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I believe you, but when I would have to make a guess just based on the icon, I 
would have said it is the printer connection. Never too old to learn!
-- 
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Pentaxianado



Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Frits Wüthrich
On Thursday 27 February 2003 16:52, Mike Johnston wrote:
 I prefer the following symbols for on and off:

 On for on

 Off for off

 These make sense to me and I seldom find myself confused

 --Mike

No, that doesn't make sense.

This makes sense:

Aan for on

Uit for off
-- 
Frits Wüthrich
Pentaxianado



Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Cotty
 Hardly intuitive, is it.
 In what parlance/language does 1 stand for on? Binary? On an A/C
 line power switch?
 And, if it  was meant to be a zero, it should have had the slant bar
 thru it, like '0', to avoid just this sort of ambiguity.
 Hmmm. The electrical symbol for current is 'I'...
 Anyhow, it is a curiosity!
 
 Most ordinary humans do not think in terms of binary symbols when it
 comes to ordinary, everyday items like hardware power switches. My
 wall switches, even the toggle or rocker ones, do not have 1 and 0, or
 even I and O on them.


I prefer the following symbols for on and off:

On for on

Off for off

These make sense to me and I seldom find myself confused

--Mike


Interesting. The system of 'I' for on, and '0' for off is pretty much a 
widely accepted thing in Europe...

Cotty


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Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Mark Roberts
Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Thursday 27 February 2003 16:52, Mike Johnston wrote:
 I prefer the following symbols for on and off:

 On for on

 Off for off

 These make sense to me and I seldom find myself confused

 --Mike

No, that doesn't make sense.

This makes sense:

Aan for on

Uit for off

I guess that explains why they use symbols rather than words, doesn't
it? Can you imagine trying to make camera bodies labeled in all the
different languages for places where they're sold?

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
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Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Lukasz Kacperczyk
 Where are the *ist D
 Photos.

Here: www.fotopolis.pl (scroll down the page). As someone else on this list
said quite recently - shameless self-promotion :-)

And here: www.dpreview.com (unfortunatelly on the bottom of the page in the
old news) - much more than on Fotopolis..

 (I assume that's the new digital body).

Yes.

Regards,
Lukasz

PS. You don't know what you've missed (on the PDML)... ;-)

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Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Dario Bonazza 2
Five pix here:

http://digilander.libero.it/aohc/pressrelease/istde.htm

Bye,

Dario Bonazza

- Original Message - 
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: *ist D photos


 
 Hi All,
 I've been gone for four days and just resubscribed. Where are the *ist D
 Photos. (I assume that's the new digital body).
 Paul
 



Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Brendan
I like this camera even more now, Dario you guys rock 

 --- Dario Bonazza 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Five
pix here:
 

http://digilander.libero.it/aohc/pressrelease/istde.htm
 
 Bye,
 
 Dario Bonazza
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 7:41 PM
 Subject: Re: *ist D photos
 
 
  
  Hi All,
  I've been gone for four days and just
 resubscribed. Where are the *ist D
  Photos. (I assume that's the new digital body).
  Paul
  
  

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Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Herb Chong
hydraulic engineering. i had this explained to me by an IBM design engineer who 
designed the externals of computer monitors. it was
a bunch of mechanical engineers who designed the symbols in the late 60's/early 70's. 
the thought of ubiquitous computers and people
who understood them was not on their minds. binary 0 and 1 definitely for on and off 
was not commonplace knowledge then and still
isn't.

Herb
- Original Message -
From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 07:43
Subject: Re: *ist D photos


  Those are not O  I, they are 0 (zero ) and 1 (one).
  zero = off, 1 = on. Very easy.
  JCO

 Hardly intuitive, is it.
 In what parlance/language does 1 stand for on? Binary? On an A/C
 line power switch?
 And, if it  was meant to be a zero, it should have had the slant bar
 thru it, like '0', to avoid just this sort of ambiguity.
 Hmmm. The electrical symbol for current is 'I'...
 Anyhow, it is a curiosity!

 Most ordinary humans do not think in terms of binary symbols when it
 comes to ordinary, everyday items like hardware power switches. My
 wall switches, even the toggle or rocker ones, do not have 1 and 0, or
 even I and O on them.

 keith






Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Peter Alling
No it means that the minimum aperture is 22 at 18mm and 32 at 35mm.

At 01:28 PM 2/27/2003 +1000, you wrote:
Thanks Ken.  This looks an excellent match cosmetically for the MZ-S.
Did anyone else notice the engravings on the FAJ lens mounted on it?
f4(22)-5.6(32).  Is that the range or does it mean that at 35mm the maximum
aperture is 22-32?
John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
- Original Message - 
 KT Takeshita wrote:
 
  Comrades!
 
  http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-1L.jpg
 
  http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-2L.jpg
 
  Wow!
 
  Ken


Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.  --Groucho Marx


Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Keith Whaley


Ryan K. Brooks wrote:
 
 Keith Whaley wrote:
  I'm aware of that, Cot, but I wonder from whence it came?
  The U.S. has only used that convention for a reasonably short time ~
  10 years maybe?
 
 Recall that we're still on English units as well.

Tell me what English units from which 1 and 0 (or is it really I and
O?) come...

Keith 

  Had to have had a source, and meant something...
 
  keith
 



Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Keith Whaley


Herb Chong wrote:
 
 hydraulic engineering. i had this explained to me by an IBM design engineer who 
 designed the externals of computer monitors. it was
 a bunch of mechanical engineers who designed the symbols in the late 60's/early 
 70's. the thought of ubiquitous computers and people
 who understood them was not on their minds. binary 0 and 1 definitely for on and off 
 was not commonplace knowledge then and still
 isn't.

You mean Off and On?  g

keith
 
 Herb
 - Original Message -
 From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 07:43
 Subject: Re: *ist D photos
 
   Those are not O  I, they are 0 (zero ) and 1 (one).
   zero = off, 1 = on. Very easy.
   JCO
 
  Hardly intuitive, is it.
  In what parlance/language does 1 stand for on? Binary? On an A/C
  line power switch?
  And, if it  was meant to be a zero, it should have had the slant bar
  thru it, like '0', to avoid just this sort of ambiguity.
  Hmmm. The electrical symbol for current is 'I'...
  Anyhow, it is a curiosity!
 
  Most ordinary humans do not think in terms of binary symbols when it
  comes to ordinary, everyday items like hardware power switches. My
  wall switches, even the toggle or rocker ones, do not have 1 and 0, or
  even I and O on them.
 
  keith
 



Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Ryan K. Brooks
Keith Whaley wrote:
Ryan K. Brooks wrote:

Keith Whaley wrote:

I'm aware of that, Cot, but I wonder from whence it came?
The U.S. has only used that convention for a reasonably short time ~
10 years maybe?
Recall that we're still on English units as well.


My point is that the US tends to be behind on conventions, not that the 
0 and 1 have anything to do with SI.

Tell me what English units from which 1 and 0 (or is it really I and
O?) come...
Keith 


Had to have had a source, and meant something...

keith








Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Ryan K. Brooks
Keith Whaley wrote:
Herb Chong wrote:

hydraulic engineering. i had this explained to me by an IBM design engineer who 
designed the externals of computer monitors. it was
a bunch of mechanical engineers who designed the symbols in the late 60's/early 70's. 
the thought of ubiquitous computers and people
who understood them was not on their minds. binary 0 and 1 definitely for on and off 
was not commonplace knowledge then and still
isn't.


I seriously doubt that.  0 and 1 have their roots in math, far before 
computers or hydraulics.  0 times something is nothing, 1 times 
something is something.   Algebra, Boolean math, etc.   I can't think of 
anything more universal for on/off.

Even non-latinic folks tend to understand/use 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 and 9.

-R




Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Ryan K. Brooks
Keith Whaley wrote:
Herb Chong wrote:

hydraulic engineering. i had this explained to me by an IBM design engineer who 
designed the externals of computer monitors. it was
a bunch of mechanical engineers who designed the symbols in the late 60's/early 70's. 
the thought of ubiquitous computers and people
who understood them was not on their minds. binary 0 and 1 definitely for on and off 
was not commonplace knowledge then and still
isn't.


You mean Off and On?  g

keith
 

Herb
- Original Message -
From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 07:43
Subject: Re: *ist D photos

Those are not O  I, they are 0 (zero ) and 1 (one).
zero = off, 1 = on. Very easy.
Here's a reference:

http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/52344.html

Looks like it's a least from the 1600s.

R




Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Peter Alling
The base English measurement system is binary (for liquid, dry volumes and 
weights
is binary, look at the measures from 1 oz to 1 quart and think about it a 
while, I'll bet you
can see the exceptions right away), but it's based on a binary pattern.

At 06:57 PM 2/27/2003 -0800, you wrote:


Ryan K. Brooks wrote:

 Keith Whaley wrote:
  I'm aware of that, Cot, but I wonder from whence it came?
  The U.S. has only used that convention for a reasonably short time ~
  10 years maybe?

 Recall that we're still on English units as well.
Tell me what English units from which 1 and 0 (or is it really I and
O?) come...
Keith

  Had to have had a source, and meant something...
 
  keith
 
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.  --Groucho Marx


Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Fred
 Even non-latinic folks tend to understand/use 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
 and 9.

Well, they're not latinic to start with, but Arabic.  (Latinic would
be the ol' Roman numerals - e.g., I, II, III, IV, etc.)

Fred



Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Peter Alling
I'd hardly call not adopting a French attempt to dominate everything
from the 17th century being behind on standards.
(Ducking now and donning flame proof suit).

At 09:14 PM 2/27/2003 -0600, you wrote:
Keith Whaley wrote:
Ryan K. Brooks wrote:

Keith Whaley wrote:

I'm aware of that, Cot, but I wonder from whence it came?
The U.S. has only used that convention for a reasonably short time ~
10 years maybe?
Recall that we're still on English units as well.
My point is that the US tends to be behind on conventions, not that the 0 
and 1 have anything to do with SI.

Tell me what English units from which 1 and 0 (or is it really I and
O?) come...
Keith
Had to have had a source, and meant something...

keith


Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.  --Groucho Marx


Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-27 Thread Bill Owens
 Interesting. The system of 'I' for on, and '0' for off is pretty much a
 widely accepted thing in Europe...

 Cotty

Well, know you know how far behind the times we are here in the colonies :-)

Bill




Re: *ist D photos - 11 AF sensor placement

2003-02-27 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit:
I think Dario B. tried to tell us last week.  It was 3 by 3 with two 'wings' 
on the horizontal direction.   Bob S.


Dumb question, anyone know whatth 11 sensor AF
pattern is, I've seem the metering but not AF sensor
placement, anyone know or did I miss something.
See the flash on Pentax.jp:

  ***
***
  ***
Michel




Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-26 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26 Feb 2003 at 20:50, KT Takeshita wrote:

 Comrades!
 
 http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-1L.jpg
 
 http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-2L.jpg
 
 Wow!

It's very different from the film *ist.

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-26 Thread Keith Whaley
Best photos yet, Ken...Thanks,  keith

KT Takeshita wrote:
 
 Comrades!
 
 http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-1L.jpg
 
 http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-2L.jpg
 
 Wow!
 
 Ken



Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-26 Thread Rfsindg
Thanks Ken, now I'm impressed! Bob S.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Comrades!
  
  http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-1L.jpg
  
  http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-2L.jpg
  
  Wow!
  
  Ken



Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-26 Thread Bruce Dayton
Way cool!  As I suspected, very PZ-1p like - they are thumb/finger
wheels rather than big dials on the ZX-5n.  It looks like the Hyper
button is right next to the shutter button.


Bruce



Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 5:50:52 PM, you wrote:

KT Comrades!

KT http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-1L.jpg

KT http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-2L.jpg

KT Wow!

KT Ken



Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-26 Thread KT Takeshita
On 03.2.26 9:13 PM, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Way cool!  As I suspected, very PZ-1p like - they are thumb/finger
 wheels rather than big dials on the ZX-5n.  It looks like the Hyper
 button is right next to the shutter button.

There appears a very slight slant of shoulder, not so prominent as MZ-S.
If they make a film version of this, well, I might be interested in
I did not like the MZ-S.  *ist D is more like an improved version of PZ-1p
with a better AF system and metering ability.

Cheers,

Ken



Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-26 Thread James Moniz
http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-1L.jpg

Nice, nice, nice! 
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Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-26 Thread Ken Archer
I think I just fell in lust again.for the tenth time today.
-- 
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San Antonio, Texas
Business Is Going To The Dogs



Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-26 Thread Jason S
That gets both my thumbs up! If God had given me a few more thumbs it would 
get them too... But unfortunately Ive only got two.






From: KT Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pentax Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: *ist D photos
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 20:50:52 -0500
Comrades!

http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-1L.jpg

http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-2L.jpg

Wow!

Ken


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Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-26 Thread Shaun Canning
oh ye plzzee

precious.

now

:-)

Shaun

KT Takeshita wrote:
Comrades!

http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-1L.jpg

http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-2L.jpg

Wow!

Ken

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RE: *ist D photos

2003-02-26 Thread tom
 -Original Message-
 From: KT Takeshita [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 Comrades!
 
 http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/is
 t-D-1L.jpg
 
 http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/is
 t-D-2L.jpg
 
 Wow!

Nice.

Does it look slightly Nikon-y to anyone?

tv





Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-26 Thread Steve Pearson
OK,

I'm drooling!  If Pentax sees these posts, the price
is going up...




--- Jason S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 That gets both my thumbs up! If God had given me a
 few more thumbs it would 
 get them too... But unfortunately Ive only got two.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: KT Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Pentax Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: *ist D photos
 Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 20:50:52 -0500
 
 Comrades!
 

http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-1L.jpg
 

http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-2L.jpg
 
 Wow!
 
 Ken
 
 

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Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-26 Thread Lukasz Kacperczyk
 Does it look slightly Nikon-y to anyone?

Well, I don't know. All I know is I really like it. It looks much better
than the film *ist. Actually, I'd like a film body that looks like that.

Nice :-)

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Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-26 Thread Jim Apilado
Looks cool.  

Jim A.

 From: KT Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 20:50:52 -0500
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 Subject: *ist D photos
 Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 20:49:13 -0500
 
 Comrades!
 
 http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-1L.jpg
 
 http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-2L.jpg
 
 Wow!
 
 Ken
 
 



RE: *ist D photos

2003-02-26 Thread Brendan
YES

but who cares anyway.

 --- tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
-Original Message-
  From: KT Takeshita [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
  Comrades!
  
 

http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/is
  t-D-1L.jpg
  
 

http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/is
  t-D-2L.jpg
  
  Wow!
 
 Nice.
 
 Does it look slightly Nikon-y to anyone?
 
 tv
 
 
  

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Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-26 Thread John Mustarde
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:58:47 -0500, you wrote:

Does it look slightly Nikon-y to anyone?


It has some similarities to the D100 in external controls - finger and
thumb wheels, four-way controller, a few buttons to left of the LCD,
single dial for TV-AV Pgm and ISO, with a collar on the dial axis for
other functions.

Is that red oval an IR port for a remote release? Or maybe a small  IR
AF assist lamp? Or both?

On the surface, I could love this camera, except for the flash sync.
Hope it autofocuses better than the D100. Hope it takes good photos
throughout its ISO range. Hope it will shoot at ISO 50 and at ISO
1600.

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Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-26 Thread Paul Franklin Stregevsky
Ken,
When PDMLers of the future examine the archives, they will credit you for
revealing the first photos of the *ist D. Thanks from all of us.

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Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-26 Thread frank theriault
Well, I figure I'm like that kid Mikey in the breakfast cereal
commercial.  I'm no fan of the styling of most modern cameras.

We'll show the *ist D to frankie, he hates everything!

(and here, we take a moment, imagining that I'm perusing the new camera)

HE LIKES IT!  FRANKIE ACTUALLY LIKES IT!

Seriously, it's very pretty.  I'd like to have one, and I hope Pentax
sells a bazillion of them (they should).

cheers,
frank

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 I think I just fell in lust again.for the tenth time today.

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Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-26 Thread Paul Franklin Stregevsky
Ken Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think I just fell in lust again.for the tenth time today.

In the 1970s, lyricist/composer Stephen Schwartz (Pippin, Working,
Pocahantas, The Hunchback of Notre Dame) wrote a song, Proud Lady. Sung by
a brash young man (She calls me a swine--she's mine!), the lyric ends,
And I finally found my one true love...for the twenty-third time!

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Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-26 Thread jcoyle
Thanks Ken.  This looks an excellent match cosmetically for the MZ-S.
Did anyone else notice the engravings on the FAJ lens mounted on it?
f4(22)-5.6(32).  Is that the range or does it mean that at 35mm the maximum
aperture is 22-32?

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
- Original Message - 
 KT Takeshita wrote:
 
  Comrades!
 
  http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-1L.jpg
 
  http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2003-02/27/ist-D-2L.jpg
 
  Wow!
 
  Ken






Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-26 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: jcoyle
Subject: Re: *ist D photos


 Thanks Ken.  This looks an excellent match cosmetically for the MZ-S.
 Did anyone else notice the engravings on the FAJ lens mounted on it?
 f4(22)-5.6(32).  Is that the range or does it mean that at 35mm the
maximum
 aperture is 22-32?

I would think that is the aperture range at the extremes of the zoom range.

William Robb



Re: *ist D photos

2003-02-26 Thread William Robb
It appears not to have a PC socket.
Harrumph.

However, it looks like a camera, which my G1 does not.
I have quite grown to hate that ghastly and loathsome excuse for a camera.
Gaaak.

I wonder if the *ist D will shoot infrared. 

I broke the news to the expenditure department this evening.
It went surprisingly well.
Too well, actually.

I have one on order.

William Robb






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