Re: Anybody still using an external (analog) lightmeter
On 1 Sep 2004 at 13:23, Frantisek wrote: I recall seeing discussions on this issue. Apparently, some (most?) DSLR have different tone curves that slightly underxpose. Or a different explanation (which deteriorates into holy war on some sites, about the 18% gray standard and how it is measured. IIRC, lightmeters are not calibrated to 18% reflectivity but to a standard light source. This might make the difference. For my DSLR, I uploaded a different tone curve which brightens the midtones slightly, making the histogram peak at centre. It works for some subjects, for some it is too contrasty. If I expose to preserve highlight detail I usually pull contrast down to minimum and modify the gamma to restore the brightness balance, sometimes I need to resort to curves but it usually always provides decent outcome. Shooting digital is quite different to shooting film and the 18% (or whatever it is) gray metering point is largely irrelevant, not clipping the sensor and minimizing noise is important. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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That's a tricky shot! Don't forget to point the spotmeter at something, that you want i the middle of the grey-wedge (18%). I don't understand why the histogram from shooting a white or black wall does not show a peak in the middle? AN average metering should result in a photograph that in average is in the middle of the grey-wedge. Any ideas? Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Kostas Kavoussanakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 31. august 2004 18:13 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: Anybody still using an external (analog) lightmete On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Jens Bladt wrote: It's not that the hand held meter is better. It isn't. It's just that incident metering is indifferent to the properties of the subject - because only the light that's hitting the subject, is measured. Not the reflected light. Thanks for the tutorial; I knew about the grey 18% but not what the incident meter does. I was shooting a farm on a hill about 70m away yesterday at sunset (sun in the frame). An incident meter would not work as my feet could not make it over the fence and my hand is only about a meter long, so I spot-metered on the farm (and interpreted sunny-16 as I thought best for the occasion, just to check that I agreed). Looking forward to the results (though I was shooting forgiving colour negative). Kostas
RE: Anybody still using an external (analog) lightmeter
Hi Markus, A bit late, but thought I'd jump in anyway. Until recently I used an analog Pentax Spotmeter V as well as a Zone VI modified Pentax Digital Spotmeter. I sold the Spotmeter V, and am going to replace it with an incident meter. The some of the incident meters I'm considering are analog I'm looking at are analog. I'm a strong advocate of hand held metering, much preferring the technique to using the built in meters of many (not all) cameras. I use the meters for 35mm and med format work. Shel [Original Message] From: Markus Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 8/28/2004 3:17:11 PM Subject: RE: Anybody still using an external (analog) lightmeter Thanks to anybody answering my question, namely: Dag, David, Sid, Jim, Frantisek,Alan, Paul, Bob,Mat, Bruce, Handmaid, Otis, Brooks, William, David, CRB, John, Keith and all the lurkers out there too. As far I see, some use digital light metering mostly with medium format cameras but nobody uses an old separate analog light meter like the Gossen Sixtar2 SBC and nobody knows the brand I got. Digital seems to take over everywhere :-) thanks for answering Markus Subject: Re: Anybody still using an external (analog) lightmeter På 26. aug. 2004 kl. 23.29 skrev Markus Maurer: Is anybody here still using hand metering and if yes, when?
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Hi Shel thanks, I like late replies too... :-) I enjoyed your thoughts about film processing and b/w film. greetings Markus Hi Markus, A bit late, but thought I'd jump in anyway. Until recently I used an analog Pentax Spotmeter V as well as a Zone VI
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I'm a little late on this one, Markus. I use a Gossen Lunasix 3 with my Rolleicord and for critical occasions when I have tricky lighting situations - not digital! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Markus Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 8:15 AM Subject: RE: Anybody still using an external (analog) lightmeter Thanks to anybody answering my question, namely: Dag, David, Sid, Jim, Frantisek,Alan, Paul, Bob,Mat, Bruce, Handmaid, Otis, Brooks, William, David, CRB, John, Keith and all the lurkers out there too. As far I see, some use digital light metering mostly with medium format cameras but nobody uses an old separate analog light meter like the Gossen Sixtar2 SBC and nobody knows the brand I got. Digital seems to take over everywhere :-) thanks for answering Markus Subject: Re: Anybody still using an external (analog) lightmeter På 26. aug. 2004 kl. 23.29 skrev Markus Maurer: Is anybody here still using hand metering and if yes, when?
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On 27 Aug 2004 at 9:02, Bruce Dayton wrote: Me too. I really like the meter. Mostly use it for studio flash work, but some ambient readings outdoors, too. - Best regards, Bruce Friday, August 27, 2004, 6:35:54 AM, you wrote: DM I was about to say yes until I paid attention to the word 'analog'. So, DM NO. I use a Gossen Luna Pro Digital F. I like this meter because it DM will tell me the flash and incident light readings simultaneously, DM making it really easy to balance fill flash. Dave Have to add another me too here, great little meter, now my sole external meter (apart from an old MR4 for my Leica), I sold my trusty Spotmeter F a couple of months back. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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Hi Markus Another late one here, but I still use the Minolta Flashmeter IV I bought a few months ago. It's indispensable with strobes and my new (1962) 6x6 TLR, and wonderful at quickly determining flash/ambient readings for both 35mm MF outside. Cheers, Simon -Original Message- From: John Coyle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 30 August 2004 8:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anybody still using an external (analog) lightmeter I'm a little late on this one, Markus. I use a Gossen Lunasix 3 with my Rolleicord and for critical occasions when I have tricky lighting situations - not digital! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Markus Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 8:15 AM Subject: RE: Anybody still using an external (analog) lightmeter Thanks to anybody answering my question, namely: Dag, David, Sid, Jim, Frantisek,Alan, Paul, Bob,Mat, Bruce, Handmaid, Otis, Brooks, William, David, CRB, John, Keith and all the lurkers out there too. As far I see, some use digital light metering mostly with medium format cameras but nobody uses an old separate analog light meter like the Gossen Sixtar2 SBC and nobody knows the brand I got. Digital seems to take over everywhere :-) thanks for answering Markus Subject: Re: Anybody still using an external (analog) lightmeter På 26. aug. 2004 kl. 23.29 skrev Markus Maurer: Is anybody here still using hand metering and if yes, when?
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On Aug 28, 2004, at 8:55 AM, Bob W wrote: Is anybody here still using hand metering and if yes, when? Yes. I have a Sekonic L-608 (electronic, flash, spot, etc) and a Sekonic L-208 Twinmate (analogue, incident and reflected light). Analog? I don't have one. Got a couple of digital meters, though. I use a Pentax digital spot meter for all of my medium format work, and any other time when the lighting is too difficult for a centre-weighted meter. When I bought the Pentax I kept my Sekonic L-328 with the spot meter attachment. I use it extremely rarely now but I won't part with it as it does flash metering (both incident and, with the attachment, spot). Also its battery test is pretty accurate for checking AA batteries. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
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På 26. aug. 2004 kl. 23.29 skrev Markus Maurer: Is anybody here still using hand metering and if yes, when? I use my Polaris meter with my medium format camera. DagT
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Saturday, August 28, 2004, 6:22:00 AM, graywolf wrote: g Wow, guys, they are the same meter. The L-28C is just an older model of the g L-398. The Norwood Director mentioned by someone else is an older version still. g Sekonic bought out Norwood long ago. I have actually owned all 3. I have seen the Norwood Director! It somehow managed to get its way onto the used market here... for around few euro, my friend now has it. It seems even faster responding then all the L398 we had. These are nice meters. Good light! fra
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graywolf wrote: Wow, guys, they are the same meter. The L-28C is just an older model of the L-398. The Norwood Director mentioned by someone else is an older version still. Sekonic bought out Norwood long ago. I have actually owned all 3. --- Goes to show...quality will out! A couple of years ago I called Sekonic to ask if the selenium sensor chip might have some linearity problems, after all these years, and he said if the meter's needle will still zero and work smoothly thru it's travel, the chip and the movement are just fine. You retire a battery-less meter when it will no longer zero the needle. Just like me, still 'working' after all these years! And that's all I'll say about that! g keith Frantisek wrote: Still metering with my L398, it's a trusty tool. When? Whenever situation calls for incident metering :) KW Hah! How about my trusty L-28c2? NO batteries! g
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A Gossen Lunasix 3s for incident readings (it's spot on, no pun intended) and a (digital) Gossen SpotMaster for spot readings and flash (when I'm not letting the LX take care of the flash) AB -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm
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Thanks to anybody answering my question, namely: Dag, David, Sid, Jim, Frantisek,Alan, Paul, Bob,Mat, Bruce, Handmaid, Otis, Brooks, William, David, CRB, John, Keith and all the lurkers out there too. As far I see, some use digital light metering mostly with medium format cameras but nobody uses an old separate analog light meter like the Gossen Sixtar2 SBC and nobody knows the brand I got. Digital seems to take over everywhere :-) thanks for answering Markus Subject: Re: Anybody still using an external (analog) lightmeter På 26. aug. 2004 kl. 23.29 skrev Markus Maurer: Is anybody here still using hand metering and if yes, when?
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Still use a Weston Master V for incident metering and a Pentax 1 degree spotmeter with the 645 and when I can't get to the subject with the Weston. John
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I have, and use quite often,at least with the 6x6 and 6x7's, a Minolta iv F and also have the Minolta Spot Meter,but not used as much. Mostly for winter BW but have not tried it out on slide film yet. The iv F is deadly on bright snow exposures. Dave This one time, at band camp, Frantisek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still metering with my L398, it's a trusty tool. When? Whenever situation calls for incident metering :) I just lurve my Pentax 1 Degree Spot Meter Kevin - __ (_ \ _) ) | / / _ ) / _ | / ___) / _ ) | | ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / |_| \) \_||_| \) \) Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia
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Absolutely. Pentax Spotmeter V. Even with 135 on occasion. Averaging meters don't always cut it. Being 1/2 stop off on 135 can be tolerated but being 1/2 stop off on 4x5 or 8x10 makes a diff in the neg. Even makes a diff with 120. Why? Because 135 loses enough shadow detail and highlight detail that it's less critical. But with any larger format you can get as much as you can meter and adjust for. Any flm format bigger than 135 is a good thing. Sincerely, C. Brendemuehl - 'Any flm format bigger than 135 is a good thing.' -- John Calvin (1509-64) (hey, works for me) ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!
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I was about to say yes until I paid attention to the word 'analog'. So, NO. I use a Gossen Luna Pro Digital F. I like this meter because it will tell me the flash and incident light readings simultaneously, making it really easy to balance fill flash. Dave
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I use a Gossen Luna Pro from time to time, I use a Minolta flash meter in the studio (except when shooting digital, and a Zone VI modified Pentax digital spot meter (not analogue, I realize) when shooting large format. William Robb
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Dave M said: I was about to say yes until I paid attention to the word 'analog'. So, Oh boy. Missed that completely.D'oh. However the iv F has an anolog scale which i do look at.lol Dave Brooks
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Three Norwood Directors around here somewhere plus one or two stripped down for parts. One went successfully through calibration a couple of years ago. Works just fine. Keep them mostly for the memories --- first one came into the family in 1949 --- for use with the vacation film camera (Spotmatic Fs and ESIIs) kit. Day-to-day a Sekonic L-508 carries the load for the very few requirements that arise with digital cameras these days. Hard to beat the info in the histograms. Otis Wright Keith Whaley wrote: Frantisek wrote: Thursday, August 26, 2004, 11:29:27 PM, Markus wrote: MM This is my second post... MM I got a Gossen Sixtar 2 meter for $5 and wonder, how good the metering MM actually will be compared to the camera metering. MM I need to replace the batteries before I can test it, but welcome any MM comments from the group :-) MM Is anybody here still using hand metering and if yes, when? Dunno about your Sixtar, I don't know that model. Still metering with my L398, it's a trusty tool. When? Whenever situation calls for incident metering :) Hah! How about my trusty L-28c2? NO batteries! g I use it when my subject is in drastically different light than my camera's in. If I can. Such as when I'm standing in full sunlight, and my subject is under a tree being shaded. Get out my Sekonic and put the hood on the lens... Good light! fra keith whaley
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A Gossen Lunasix 3s for incident readings (it's spot on, no pun intended) and a (digital) Gossen SpotMaster for spot readings and flash (when I'm not letting the LX take care of the flash) AB -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm
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Me too. I really like the meter. Mostly use it for studio flash work, but some ambient readings outdoors, too. -- Best regards, Bruce Friday, August 27, 2004, 6:35:54 AM, you wrote: DM I was about to say yes until I paid attention to the word 'analog'. So, DM NO. I use a Gossen Luna Pro Digital F. I like this meter because it DM will tell me the flash and incident light readings simultaneously, DM making it really easy to balance fill flash. Dave
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Gossen LunaPro F. I've got the 15/7.5 degree attachment for pseudo-spot readings, but I use it mostly as an incident meter. Vital equipment when I'm out with the 4x5... -Mat
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Hi, Is anybody here still using hand metering and if yes, when? Yes. I have a Sekonic L-608 (electronic, flash, spot, etc) and a Sekonic L-208 Twinmate (analogue, incident and reflected light). I use the L-208 all the time for incident readings when I shoot with my Leicas, which don't have built-in meters, and recently I haven't shot with anything but my Leicas. The L-608 is very good, but it is almost bigger than the cameras and doesn't really go with the Leica way of doing things, in my opinion. I also have a Sekonic L-398M, but I no longer use it. -- Cheers, Bob
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Is anybody here still using hand metering and if yes, when? I still use a Pentax Spotmeter V from time to time. It's invaluable when you want to nail a specific part of a scene -- such as the sky at sunset. It's also great for determining the exposure range of a scene, and the sweeping needle is somehow more telling than a digital readout. It's a wonderful tool. In addition I have the original Pentax analog meter mounted on my H3v. If you know how to analyze what you see theret, it's quite accurate and useful. Paul
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Still metering with my L398, it's a trusty tool. When? Whenever situation calls for incident metering :) KW Hah! How about my trusty L-28c2? NO batteries! g KW I use it when my subject is in drastically different light than my camera's KW in. If I can. KW Such as when I'm standing in full sunlight, and my subject is under a tree KW being shaded. KW Get out my Sekonic and put the hood on the lens... The L-398 works without batteries too :) I do like it a lot. I do not use it much with the digital, though. For film though, incident metering is a charm, mostly. Especially if you learn it, and do not use the idiotkugeln, but just the plain luxmeter flat panel. Last time with film, I also used a Spotmeter for some theater stuff, which worked very fine. If only it was actually smaller than my film camera! (the Pentax Spotmeter V, about the best analog spotmeter there is, is indeed very very large). Incident (especially lux) metering will teach anybody a lot about light and contrast. Even with digital. Good light! fra
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Wow, guys, they are the same meter. The L-28C is just an older model of the L-398. The Norwood Director mentioned by someone else is an older version still. Sekonic bought out Norwood long ago. I have actually owned all 3. -- Frantisek wrote: Still metering with my L398, it's a trusty tool. When? Whenever situation calls for incident metering :) KW Hah! How about my trusty L-28c2? NO batteries! g KW I use it when my subject is in drastically different light than my camera's KW in. If I can. KW Such as when I'm standing in full sunlight, and my subject is under a tree KW being shaded. KW Get out my Sekonic and put the hood on the lens... The L-398 works without batteries too :) I do like it a lot. I do not use it much with the digital, though. For film though, incident metering is a charm, mostly. Especially if you learn it, and do not use the idiotkugeln, but just the plain luxmeter flat panel. Last time with film, I also used a Spotmeter for some theater stuff, which worked very fine. If only it was actually smaller than my film camera! (the Pentax Spotmeter V, about the best analog spotmeter there is, is indeed very very large). Incident (especially lux) metering will teach anybody a lot about light and contrast. Even with digital. Good light! fra
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I still use a Gossen Luna Pro F when I'm shooting one of my vintage cameras. almost always when incident light reading is concerned. And on the rare occasions I'm asked to shoot an important studio type flash shot (especially when using the pentax 6x7) I definitely use the flash meter function of it. That leaf shutter lens is awesome. But I've probably only used it in that fashion 4 or 5 times. Though I'm no professional, and I don't have experience with other pro level meters, I consider the Luna Pro F one of the finest meters around. I also have many of the considerable list of accessories, like the 7.5/15 degree spot attachment, the enlarging/darkroom attachment, and the never been used flexible light reading attachment thingy. I also have a zone VI modified pentax spot meter, though it has a digital readout. I use it for sure when I'm shooting black and white with the 6x7. Then there's also a GE vintage light meter (probably circa 1940s) that gives light readout that in scale that I use for measuring light output in my Metal Halide/ High Pressure Sodium illuminated Orchid and Bromeliad Greenhouse. It still works fine. Got it on ebay for a dollar. Sid B
