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On 14/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: I said I didn't think they would drop them NOW, way too soon. I do believe this is the end of 2003? Or have I missed something? Sorry Marnie, I thought your original post said 'anytime soon', not 'now'. Apologies Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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Sorry Marnie, I thought your original post said 'anytime soon', not 'now'. Apologies Cheers, Cotty It's all that looginess. Marnie aka Doe ;-)
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Where is the site that will translate the Babblefish result into English? One never knows if the gist he's extracted is anything like the actual content. Cory - Original Message - From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:11 AM Subject: Nikon to stop selling film cameras in Japan... Well, it just happened: in german: http://www.finanztreff.de/ftreff/news.htm?id=21174221r=0sektion=branchen; awert=u=0k=0 or translated: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.finan ztreff.de%2Fftreff%2Fnews.htm%3Fid%3D21174221%26%26r%3D0%26sektion%3Dbranche n%26awert%3D%26u%3D0%26k%3D0lp=de_entt=url -- Best Regards Sylwek --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.538 / Virus Database: 333 - Release Date: 11/11/2003
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It says Nikon will concentrate fully on development of digital and stop (starting today) further development of film based camera's. I take from that that they will sell there existing film based cameras, but not develop anything new. For the Japanese market however they will stop the sales from April onwards. I don't know what that means outside Japan, but you can guess yourself. On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 12:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is the site that will translate the Babblefish result into English? One never knows if the gist he's extracted is anything like the actual content. Cory - Original Message - From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:11 AM Subject: Nikon to stop selling film cameras in Japan... Well, it just happened: in german: http://www.finanztreff.de/ftreff/news.htm?id=21174221r=0sektion=branchen; awert=u=0k=0 or translated: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.finan ztreff.de%2Fftreff%2Fnews.htm%3Fid%3D21174221%26%26r%3D0%26sektion%3Dbranche n%26awert%3D%26u%3D0%26k%3D0lp=de_entt=url -- Best Regards Sylwek --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.538 / Virus Database: 333 - Release Date: 11/11/2003 -- Frits Wüthrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yikes that's big news. So much for oligopoly.. Whoever the Canon CEO is.. I say he'll be on the cover of Fortune sometime soon because damn he's doing a good job- everyone else is scrambling! Syl, you mentioned the idea of Pentax marrying Nikon- imagine them making Nikkor and Pentax lenses in both mounts! (I don't think they'll come up with a new mount because it'll effectively isolate both companies glass arsenals.. Sounds like more than a lot of planning (compared to say when two financial institutions merge; no technology involved other than maybe a couple of water coolers?) Hmm.. big news.. Rgds, Ryan - Original Message - From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 9:11 PM Subject: Nikon to stop selling film cameras in Japan... Well, it just happened: in german: http://www.finanztreff.de/ftreff/news.htm?id=21174221r=0sektion=branchen; awert=u=0k=0 or translated: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.finan ztreff.de%2Fftreff%2Fnews.htm%3Fid%3D21174221%26%26r%3D0%26sektion%3Dbranche n%26awert%3D%26u%3D0%26k%3D0lp=de_entt=url -- Best Regards Sylwek
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This is sad. Must mean Nikon is on the ropes. And, boy, is it happening much faster than I thought it would. Marnie aka Doe Much faster, even though I thought it might happen fast.
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On 14 Nov 2003 at 12:11, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: Well, it just happened: Is anyone really that surprised? Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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IMHO, Nikon is not on the ropes. Although it's sooner than I expected, I basically made the call two days ago right here on the list when I stated that manufacturers weren't temporarily neglecting film, they were abandoning it. Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 8:05 AM Subject: Re: Nikon to stop selling film cameras in Japan... This is sad. Must mean Nikon is on the ropes. And, boy, is it happening much faster than I thought it would. Marnie aka Doe Much faster, even though I thought it might happen fast.
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Hi Marnie, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is sad. Must mean Nikon is on the ropes. Why would you assume that? Do you mean you believe that they might be in dire financial straights? Or am I just totally insensitive to the photography market? Nikon is simply but loudly saying We're devoting all of the company's future design and production efforts toward digital imaging, as of right now. I do NOT consider that an indication that they are on the ropes. It seems Nikon truly believes the digital market is now or will very soon totally eclipse the majority of film needs and uses, for all intents and purposes. They must also believe that commercial uses for film-based images is plummeting and digital imaging is not only good enough, but is absolutely taking over from film. And they intend to b e there, right up with the front runners, with 100% dedication toward digital imaging. No dedication to film will dilute their efforts. Nikon has been heavily immersed in and committed to the business of providing cameras and equipment for professional photographers for scores of years, and I'm certain that if anyone at all has their finger on the pulse of professional photography, it is Nikon. That they are saying, We believe this is the way professional photography is heading, is obvious. They're so convinced of it, they're moving _all_ their eggs over to the digital basket. A very brave move. . . These are indeed interesting times!! And, boy, is it happening much faster than I thought it would. Me too! And, to have a major player like Nikon make this sea-change move now is glaringly significant. Marnie aka Doe Much faster, even though I thought it might happen fast. keith whaley
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keith whaley wrote: Why would you assume that? Do you mean you believe that they might be in dire financial straights? Keith, I may have misread the article, but it seemed it was saying that number of film camera sales was way below what Nikon expected. That says to me -- let's say Nikon is divided into departments -- a film camera section and a digital section -- that the film camera section is not cost effective anymore. I.E. They are losing money on it. Does not mean, the CoolPixs, that the digital camera section is not doing well. But usually when a company closes down a whole department for which they are still selling products, it means that department is in the red and may be dragging other departments down as well. Hard to draw a conclusion about Nikon's overall financial situation, and I don't read stock market stuff, but I think it's safe to draw the conclusion they aren't making enough money on film cameras to make it worth it for them. Probably on the ropes was a bit too strong. Marnie aka Doe And think of all those film people laid off.
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I think that all the major manufacturers, with the possible exception of Minolta (are they a major manufacturer anymore?) have probably made the same decision, just Nikon has made if official. Bill And, boy, is it happening much faster than I thought it would. Me too! And, to have a major player like Nikon make this sea-change move now is glaringly significant. Marnie aka Doe Much faster, even though I thought it might happen fast. keith whaley
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http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/eng/news/2003/1113_e_03.htm Nikon says it ain't so -Original Message- From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 5:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Nikon to stop selling film cameras in Japan... Well, it just happened: in german: http://www.finanztreff.de/ftreff/news.htm?id=21174221r=0sektion=branchen; awert=u=0k=0 or translated: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.finan ztreff.de%2Fftreff%2Fnews.htm%3Fid%3D21174221%26%26r%3D0%26sektion%3Dbranche n%26awert%3D%26u%3D0%26k%3D0lp=de_entt=url -- Best Regards Sylwek
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keith whaley wrote: Nikon has been heavily immersed in and committed to the business of providing cameras and equipment for professional photographers for scores of years, and I'm certain that if anyone at all has their finger on the pulse of professional photography, it is Nikon. That they are saying, We believe this is the way professional photography is heading, is obvious. They're so convinced of it, they're moving _all_ their eggs over to the digital basket. A very brave move. . . Hmmm. I suppose one could speculate they have a revolutionary DSLR or digital PS in the works and want to throw all their RD and money behind it. Marnie aka Doe :-) Did you just hear a faint roar? I think I can hear the Nikon film camera users screaming in the distance.
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With the Kodak and now Nikon (others?) announcements, one would think all cos. with high volume low margin film-based products (lines) would be under pressure from the investment community to justify further expenditure (operations) in thse areas. With this pressure and public disclosure guidelines most cos. now follow, I would expect to see more cos. explaining there position in this area over the next half year or so. Otis Wright Bill Owens wrote: I think that all the major manufacturers, with the possible exception of Minolta (are they a major manufacturer anymore?) have probably made the same decision, just Nikon has made if official. Bill And, boy, is it happening much faster than I thought it would. Me too! And, to have a major player like Nikon make this sea-change move now is glaringly significant. Marnie aka Doe Much faster, even though I thought it might happen fast. keith whaley
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- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nikon to stop selling film cameras in Japan... The entire industry is abandoning film, including the film companies. William Robb Okay. But it's still happening rather rapidly, isn't it? The world is moving much faster now, and digital does have a lot of advantages over film from a consumer point of view. It is also being helped along by the label it carries. We have been trained over the past couple of decades to recognize the word digital as being somehow different and superior. William Robb
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- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 3:44 AM Subject: Re: Nikon to stop selling film cameras in Japan... The entire industry is abandoning film, including the film companies. William Robb How long will film keep in a freezer??Years and years i am now hoping.g Pretty much indefinitely in the freezer. What does concern me is getting processing for the small run films. I expect Kodak will abandon Kodachrome fairly soon (I really must shoot off the 50 or so rolls I have left), and while E-6 processing will be around for a while, I expect it is going to start getting rare. Those in the Toronto area shouldn't have any problems, other than perhaps driving a bit farther, but those of us out in the boonies may have to start shipping film to the sour grape. I think the film that will survive the longest is black and white. It survived the onslaught of slides, then colour negative, and I don't see why it won't survive digital, especially since digital is pretty much ignoring it. William Robb
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OK: So they only deny they will stop selling film compact cameras in Japan. However, they're not denying a stop to the development of new film cameras. However, I supposed we were not discussing the precise nature of what make and kind of equipment is going to be discontinued and when. I suspect we were discussing the trend and how quick it is. Also, I don't suppose next week you won't be able to buy film. My opinion is that film range will be reduced and cost will raise more and more as its production runs will decrease (over the next years, not before this coming midnight). As long as film will be sold in substantial quantities worldwide, manufacturers will continue making it. That's the same with tripods, VHS tapes, jeans, apples and oranges. Dario - Original Message - From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 3:49 PM Subject: Re: Nikon to stop selling film cameras in Japan... Hmmm... The wording makes me think the word compact is very significant in their statement. Jostein - Pictures at: http://oksne.net - - Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Nikon to stop selling film cameras in Japan... They write: Our Japanese photo dealers will continue selling Nikon film compact cameras. So they only deny they will stop selling film equipment in Japan. However, they're not denying a stop to the development of new film cameras. Dario - Original Message - From: Mark Stringer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 3:01 PM Subject: RE: Nikon to stop selling film cameras in Japan... http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/eng/news/2003/1113_e_03.htm Nikon says it ain't so -Original Message- From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 5:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Nikon to stop selling film cameras in Japan... Well, it just happened: in german: http://www.finanztreff.de/ftreff/news.htm?id=21174221r=0sektion=branchen; awert=u=0k=0 or translated: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.finan ztreff.de%2Fftreff%2Fnews.htm%3Fid%3D21174221%26%26r%3D0%26sektion%3Dbranche n%26awert%3D%26u%3D0%26k%3D0lp=de_entt=url -- Best Regards Sylwek
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That appears to be a bit of mis-reporting. Nikon says they are getting out of the COMPACT film camera business not the film SLR business. They also reported a significant profit over the same quarter last year. The newspaper (Nihon Keizai Shimbun) said Nikon will halt all development of 35mm compact cameras for the domestic market (meaning Japan) from this point on and end shipments to stores starting in the fiscal year that begins next April. that quote comes from: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific_business/view/ 57012/1/.html - Eliis Vener
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Here's a report in english: http://pacific.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2003/11/10/daily44.html I guess you *can* make a few bucks with digital. -- Thomas Van Veen Photography www.thomasvanveen.com 301-758-3085
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I also note that the news article was talking about consumer film cameras (PS), not all film cameras (SLR's). -- Mark Stringer wrote: http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/eng/news/2003/1113_e_03.htm Nikon says it ain't so -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
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On 14/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Well, it just happened: Is anyone really that surprised? With the declining figures of film-based sales, I see it becoming increasingly difficult for manufacturers to justify coming up with any new film-based hardware Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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Let's compromise! Let's say their film camera department was on the ropes! g keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: keith whaley wrote: Why would you assume that? Do you mean you believe that they might be in dire financial straights? Keith, I may have misread the article, but it seemed it was saying that number of film camera sales was way below what Nikon expected. That says to me -- let's say Nikon is divided into departments -- a film camera section and a digital section -- that the film camera section is not cost effective anymore. I.E. They are losing money on it. Does not mean, the CoolPixs, that the digital camera section is not doing well. But usually when a company closes down a whole department for which they are still selling products, it means that department is in the red and may be dragging other departments down as well. Hard to draw a conclusion about Nikon's overall financial situation, and I don't read stock market stuff, but I think it's safe to draw the conclusion they aren't making enough money on film cameras to make it worth it for them. Probably on the ropes was a bit too strong. Marnie aka Doe And think of all those film people laid off.
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Well, ain't THAT A kick in the pants! More media reports that got it wrong. . . keith whaley Mark Stringer wrote: http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/eng/news/2003/1113_e_03.htm Nikon says it ain't so -Original Message- From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 5:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Nikon to stop selling film cameras in Japan... Well, it just happened: in german: http://www.finanztreff.de/ftreff/news.htm?id=21174221r=0sektion=branchen; awert=u=0k=0 or translated: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.finan ztreff.de%2Fftreff%2Fnews.htm%3Fid%3D21174221%26%26r%3D0%26sektion%3Dbranche n%26awert%3D%26u%3D0%26k%3D0lp=de_entt=url -- Best Regards Sylwek
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BW will keep a long, long time in a freezer. Color is not as stable and deteriates slightly even when frozen. Also one will probably always be able to get the chemicals to develop BW even if one ends up having to mix up ones own developers. I am not so sure about E6 processing. And to be honest digital does a pretty good job of replacing color negative film. AN INTERESTING ASIDE: A few months ago a friend told me he wished he still had his old Yashica-D TLR, so I gave him my Ricohflex-G that I wasn't using. He was happy as can be. Then about a month ago Ritz closed their store here in Boone. Guess where the only place in Boone that you could buy 120 film and get it processed? So as of now the only way to use medium format in Boone is via mail order and/or do it yourself. This is how it goes, the distibution channel drys up the supply, and only the very serious will go though the effort needed to continue to use it. This lack of supply is more likely to happen to film than lack of demand. The interesting thing is that the serious little camera store that Ritz took over (that is Ritz's MO) probably could have continued to muddle through where Ritz's attempts to compete with Wal-Mart K-Mart at higher prices didn't stand a chance here. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The entire industry is abandoning film, including the film companies. William Robb How long will film keep in a freezer??Years and years i am now hoping.g Dave(hello Accent photo,i would like to order a case of E100vs please)Brooks -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
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Yes, I understand Lexus is bringing out a new Digital coupe next year. (g) -- William Robb wrote: We have been trained over the past couple of decades to recognize the word digital as being somehow different and superior. William Robb -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
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I'm having a hard time swallowing the fact that film will be disappearing any time soon. I'm also having a hard time understanding that even film PS will disappear either. Throw away cameras that probably require the same processing are also very hot items for the occasional family photoshoot. My reasoning is based on plain old dollars and cents. I'm not sure the majority of any public is ready for shelling out the dinero for digital cameras at today's prices. Consider that you can buy a 35mm PS for $35 and a pretty decent one for under a $100. Also consider someone can break into SLR market for under $200 or less. In the case of PS which is the real mass producer, I'm guessing that would be 5 to 6 times as much. Going on the Canon Rebel price about 4 times as much for SLR. I'm thinking the purchasers of digital cameras in general are a lot more serious about photography then the average person. What percentage of the total market does this cover? I realize prices will keep coming down, but will they ever really compete with film-based equipment on this level. Does or will the AVERAGE user actually even take enough photos to justify the price. Whether you print in your home or have prints made, processing still costs about the same. Based on this line of thought it might also be feasible to easily saturate your market if it does not really include a wide population base. I can't remember where, but I have seen it in print that others think the digital market may be overrated and easily saturated. The one thing they have going for them is I would bet the digital cameras won't last nearly as long and will have to soon be replaced. If not for that because they are soon be outdated. You would think these manufacturers would have done their homework in statistics, but you never know. If any line would be discontinued I would expect it to be prolevel film SLR equipment as this market probably will switch to all digital very soon. This line of thinking would lean towards more film SLRs, but expect them to be of the *ist variety. Fortunately they will still all burn the same film that we also use in our better cameras. Although probased film lines may well disappear...ugh! A plus for film is the amount of RD that is still going into film scanners as well. I'm actually surprised at the amount of enthusiasm on this list for this modern equipment. For some reason I always pictured the average Pentax user as a more conservative type of photographer that enjoyed the manual cameras without autofocus even. One last point, I've been considering going to the New England School of Photography in Boston, and according to the agenda on their website an awful lot of work is still being emphasized in the old fashioned darkroom. Why would they continue to teach this if it was obvious that digital is the future? Dave - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: Re: Nikon to stop selling film cameras in Japan... On the Leica forum, someone reported that Nikon has denied the rumor. On Friday, November 14, 2003, at 09:17 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 14 Nov 2003 at 12:11, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: Well, it just happened: Is anyone really that surprised? Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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Dunno, Doug, but to me, for the past several decades, a loogy was something of substance, not just a little spittle. Yuk! keith whaley * * * Doug Brewer wrote: At 01:35 PM 11/14/03, throwing caution to the wind, Cotty wrote: On 14/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: They are actually withdrawing the compact film camera range not the SLR range. That makes more sense. Hard to imagine them just dropping SLRs like that. Way too soon for that. Marnie, I wouldn't be too sure of that myself. Anyone fancy a bet? loogy in hands Specifically: Canikon stop production of all but one film based SLR each by end of 2005. Cheers, Cotty um, does loogy mean the same thing in the Empire than it does here?
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Doug Brewer wrote: At 01:35 PM 11/14/03, throwing caution to the wind, Cotty wrote: On 14/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: They are actually withdrawing the compact film camera range not the SLR range. That makes more sense. Hard to imagine them just dropping SLRs like that. Way too soon for that. Marnie, I wouldn't be too sure of that myself. Anyone fancy a bet? loogy in hands Specifically: Canikon stop production of all but one film based SLR each by end of 2005. Cheers, Cotty Here's the deal, Cotty, I gave it more thought about why I thought that. Price. They won't drop SLRs until they have a DSLR they can sell for around $300. Otherwise, hobbyist photography, anything other than PS photography, becomes the playground of the rich. Seriously. And somehow I don't think Nikon is quite that irresponsible. Or any other major camera co., for that matter. And it's not just a matter of responsibility, but of not pissing your customers off. Still tons of people out there who cannot drop even $900 on a camera (300D). But the end of 2005 could be different from the end of 2004, anyway. Marnie aka Doe Let's hope, price-wise.
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IMHO, Nikon is not on the ropes. Although it's sooner than I expected, I basically made the call two days ago right here on the list when I stated that manufacturers weren't temporarily neglecting film, they were abandoning it. Bill You get for being right. Marnie aka Doe ;-) Though, maybe not, since it hasn't really happened... YET.
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Uhhh, 'squat' is a 5 letter word, Marnie... . . . Oh. keith g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO, Nikon is not on the ropes. Although it's sooner than I expected, I basically made the call two days ago right here on the list when I stated that manufacturers weren't temporarily neglecting film, they were abandoning it. Bill You get for being right. Marnie aka Doe ;-) Though, maybe not, since it hasn't really happened... YET.
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Gosh, I took it to mean she was giving me 4 gold stars. Bill - Original Message - From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Nikon to stop selling film cameras in Japan... Uhhh, 'squat' is a 5 letter word, Marnie... . . . Oh. keith g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO, Nikon is not on the ropes. Although it's sooner than I expected, I basically made the call two days ago right here on the list when I stated that manufacturers weren't temporarily neglecting film, they were abandoning it. Bill You get for being right. Marnie aka Doe ;-) Though, maybe not, since it hasn't really happened... YET.
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tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a report in english: http://pacific.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2003/11/10/daily44.html I guess you *can* make a few bucks with digital. As a side note, I learned something interesting from that article: They aren't called film cameras any more, they're legacy cameras. Now *that's* sobering. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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-Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a report in english: http://pacific.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2003/11/10/d aily44.html I guess you *can* make a few bucks with digital. As a side note, I learned something interesting from that article: They aren't called film cameras any more, they're legacy cameras. Now *that's* sobering. Don't you love that? They're like mainframes now tv
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Leonard Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I think they are saying is that they are dismayed by someone leaking the decision before they were ready to make it public. They probably wanted to sell more of their existing film cameras before breaking the news. Speaking of which, has anyone else been following the ongoing fiasco with Nikon's announcement that they are developing a full-frame DSLR...and subsequent denial of same? Last month's Popular Photography featured an interview with a Mr Komura of Nikon, who revealed (big surprise) that Nikon is developing a full-frame DSLR. This month there's a correction: Mr. Komura told Mr. Keppler that Nikon will use the smaller sensor in future digital SLR cameras at all levels. Nikon will continue to study full-size sensors, he said, but it is for study only. There's a great Dilbert comic strip in which Dilbert is giving a presentation to a prospective customer and has virtually closed the sale. Then the Pointy-Haired Boss show up and starts bragging about how great the *next* version of the product is going to be. At which point the customer says, Wow, I guess I'll postpone my purchase until the next version comes out. In the original Pop Photo interview Mr. Komura played the part of the PHB. Of course, he was promptly called into *his* boss's office and slapped hard for such a blunder. By revealing Nikon's plans for a full-frame DSLR he caused thousands of prospective buyers to put off plans for buying a D1h or for upgrading to the inevitable D2h. Trying to backtrack now makes things even worse: Instead of not buying a new Nikon, people will switch to Canon. Of course Nikon is going to release a full-frame DSLR! They aren't going to roll over and let Canon walk all over them! But it's going to be a while and they can't afford to lose sales while they do their RD. But with the two-part public relations fiasco in Pop Photo, losing sales is exactly what is going to happen... The original interview and subsequent correction represent an supremely foolish move and a supremely foolish followup. No wonder Pentax doesn't announce what their plans for lens mount changes, new cameras, etc. are. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Nikon to stop selling film cameras in Japan...
Hi, Friday, November 14, 2003, 10:13:47 PM, you wrote: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a report in english: http://pacific.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2003/11/10/daily44.html I guess you *can* make a few bucks with digital. As a side note, I learned something interesting from that article: They aren't called film cameras any more, they're legacy cameras. Now *that's* sobering. Weasel words from the hidden persuaders. These people are worse than the nerds who write software viruses. They use Big Brother tactics to try and infect our brains. Support your local Plain English campaign. -- Cheers, Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nikon to stop selling film cameras in Japan...
it's been refuted. Herb - Original Message - From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:11 AM Subject: Nikon to stop selling film cameras in Japan... Well, it just happened: in german: http://www.finanztreff.de/ftreff/news.htm?id=21174221r=0sektion=branchen; awert=u=0k=0 or translated: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.finan ztreff.de%2Fftreff%2Fnews.htm%3Fid%3D21174221%26%26r%3D0%26sektion%3Dbranche n%26awert%3D%26u%3D0%26k%3D0lp=de_entt=url
Re: Nikon to stop selling film cameras in Japan...
pro films will dry up. the ISO 800 print consumer print film will be around a long time. as to why a school teaches film? because their teachers are more interested in art than making a buck. fine art photography doesn't depend a lot on what the mass market does. Herb - Original Message - From: Dave Miers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 2:25 PM Subject: Re: Nikon to stop selling film cameras in Japan... One last point, I've been considering going to the New England School of Photography in Boston, and according to the agenda on their website an awful lot of work is still being emphasized in the old fashioned darkroom. Why would they continue to teach this if it was obvious that digital is the future?
RE: Nikon to stop selling film cameras in Japan...
That's not a huge deal. Nikon doesn't manufacture their own film compacts anyway. chris On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Andy Chang wrote: It is really a misunderstanding Nikon representative was trying to clear the confusion made by this press release. They are actually withdrawing the compact film camera range not the SLR range Here is the translation of the press release November 13th (the wood) withdrawal from the domestic market of our company compact camera is reported, but presently there is no that kind of plan in our company. As for business of the digital camera although it expands business of the compact film camera has reduced, but the country is included and the same business continues. Therefore, it seems that is reporting there is no schedule of cancelling the shop front sale from next year . Including the customer, restraining the fact that worry was assumed on everyone of the authorized personnel, we apologize. The original corrected press release is here http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/jpn/whatsnew/2003/1113.htm There you go.! PS: Oh BTW, I'm new to this forum I'm using a MZ/ZX-50 with FA 28-200 IF and FA 100-300 -Original Message- From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 9:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nikon to stop selling film cameras in Japan... I think that all the major manufacturers, with the possible exception of Minolta (are they a major manufacturer anymore?) have probably made the same decision, just Nikon has made if official. Bill And, boy, is it happening much faster than I thought it would. Me too! And, to have a major player like Nikon make this sea-change move now is glaringly significant. Marnie aka Doe Much faster, even though I thought it might happen fast. keith whaley
Re: Nikon to stop selling film cameras in Japan...
The story on the Pop Photo site is that Pop Photo quoted a Japanese article stating that Nikon would develop a full frame sensor SLR. No one at Nikon ever told Keppler that Nikon would do it. This is really just another case of sloppy Pop Photo reporting. BR From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Speaking of which, has anyone else been following the ongoing fiasco with Nikon's announcement that they are developing a full-frame DSLR...and subsequent denial of same? Last month's Popular Photography featured an interview with a Mr Komura of Nikon, who revealed (big surprise) that Nikon is developing a full-frame DSLR.
Re: Nikon to stop selling film cameras in Japan...
Mr. Komura told Mr. Keppler that Nikon will use the smaller sensor in future digital SLR cameras at all levels. 'Nikon will continue to study full-size sensors,' he said, 'but it is for study only.' Looking at the BH ad in the back of Shutterbug, I am astounded by the variety of D lenses Nikon now has - and also by their very high prices. Yikes, these are Pentax lens prices. Joe
