Re: OT: Windoze 10 Re-ducks

2016-08-08 Thread John

I have all of my systems back to Windows 7. I expect I'll be a while yet
finding and repairing all the things Windoze 10 broke.

On 7/28/2016 5:38 PM, John wrote:

Just for grins & giggles, another tale of something or other ...



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Re: OT: Windoze 10 Re-ducks

2016-08-04 Thread P.J. Alling
You might want to take a look at RawTherapee.  I haven't used it in 
quite a while, but it seemed quite capable as a Raw Converter/Image 
Editor not all the bells and whistles of Photoshop, but more capable 
than a straight raw converter.  I chucked it basically because it 
developed issues with K20D files, and a fix was taking forever to 
appear.  It's probably fixed by now.  It was also slow on the machine I 
was using then, but that was a very slow machine.


On 8/2/2016 9:04 AM, Larry Colen wrote:



John wrote:

I wish the ghost of Babbage would mind his own business.

I have a Mac Mini I use for music. I couldn't afford to get a Mac with
as much power as this machine I built to run PhotoShop.

If you "roll your own" you're stuck with the choice of Windoze or
some flavor of Linux, and there's not a Linux version of PhotoShop.

Although, it may be time to begin giving GIMP another look.


Rather than GIMP, whatever Bibble is called these days. Doing a quick 
google:

http://www.aftershotpro.com/en/products/aftershot/pro/




On 8/1/2016 4:02 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

This could be a message from the ghost of Babbage that you should go
get a Mac.



On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 1:19 PM, John  wrote:

On 7/28/2016 5:38 PM, John wrote:


Just for grins & giggles, another tale of something or other ...

Started the quest for Windoze 10 on my Photoshop computer yesterday
morning at 4:00am. If I'm going to have insomnia I might as well get
some use out of it.

Again following the procrastinators guide, I made an image backup
before
starting. That went smoothly, even better than it did on this 
computer.




Forced a roll back to Windows 7 because Windows 10 just wouldn't work.
Lag time was incredible. Something as simple as a restart took over 30
minutes. There's not way to load into Safe Mode. I'm pretty sure the
problem was something in a video driver, even though I had a video
driver that was supposed to be good for Windows 7, 8 & 10. Couldn't 
get

a new Windows 10 specific video driver to install.

As noted above, I made a system image backup before embarking on this
adventure. I've been trying since 7:00am this morning to get Windows 7
Backup & Restore to recognize it.

At this point, it looks like I'm going to have to find all of my
original software media and install from scratch.








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Re: OT: Windoze 10 Re-ducks

2016-08-02 Thread Larry Colen



John wrote:

I wish the ghost of Babbage would mind his own business.

I have a Mac Mini I use for music. I couldn't afford to get a Mac with
as much power as this machine I built to run PhotoShop.

If you "roll your own" you're stuck with the choice of Windoze or
some flavor of Linux, and there's not a Linux version of PhotoShop.

Although, it may be time to begin giving GIMP another look.


Rather than GIMP, whatever Bibble is called these days. Doing a quick 
google:

http://www.aftershotpro.com/en/products/aftershot/pro/




On 8/1/2016 4:02 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

This could be a message from the ghost of Babbage that you should go
get a Mac.



On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 1:19 PM, John  wrote:

On 7/28/2016 5:38 PM, John wrote:


Just for grins & giggles, another tale of something or other ...

Started the quest for Windoze 10 on my Photoshop computer yesterday
morning at 4:00am. If I'm going to have insomnia I might as well get
some use out of it.

Again following the procrastinators guide, I made an image backup
before
starting. That went smoothly, even better than it did on this computer.



Forced a roll back to Windows 7 because Windows 10 just wouldn't work.
Lag time was incredible. Something as simple as a restart took over 30
minutes. There's not way to load into Safe Mode. I'm pretty sure the
problem was something in a video driver, even though I had a video
driver that was supposed to be good for Windows 7, 8 & 10. Couldn't get
a new Windows 10 specific video driver to install.

As noted above, I made a system image backup before embarking on this
adventure. I've been trying since 7:00am this morning to get Windows 7
Backup & Restore to recognize it.

At this point, it looks like I'm going to have to find all of my
original software media and install from scratch.





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Re: OT: Windoze 10 Re-ducks

2016-08-02 Thread John

I wish the ghost of Babbage would mind his own business.

I have a Mac Mini I use for music. I couldn't afford to get a Mac with
as much power as this machine I built to run PhotoShop.

If you "roll your own" you're stuck with the choice of Windoze or
some flavor of Linux, and there's not a Linux version of PhotoShop.

Although, it may be time to begin giving GIMP another look.

On 8/1/2016 4:02 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

This could be a message from the ghost of Babbage that you should go get a Mac.



On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 1:19 PM, John  wrote:

On 7/28/2016 5:38 PM, John wrote:


Just for grins & giggles, another tale of something or other ...

Started the quest for Windoze 10 on my Photoshop computer yesterday
morning at 4:00am. If I'm going to have insomnia I might as well get
some use out of it.

Again following the procrastinators guide, I made an image backup before
starting. That went smoothly, even better than it did on this computer.



Forced a roll back to Windows 7 because Windows 10 just wouldn't work.
Lag time was incredible. Something as simple as a restart took over 30
minutes. There's not way to load into Safe Mode. I'm pretty sure the
problem was something in a video driver, even though I had a video
driver that was supposed to be good for Windows 7, 8 & 10. Couldn't get
a new Windows 10 specific video driver to install.

As noted above, I made a system image backup before embarking on this
adventure. I've been trying since 7:00am this morning to get Windows 7
Backup & Restore to recognize it.

At this point, it looks like I'm going to have to find all of my
original software media and install from scratch.



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Re: OT: Windoze 10 Re-ducks

2016-08-01 Thread Bruce Walker
This could be a message from the ghost of Babbage that you should go get a Mac.



On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 1:19 PM, John  wrote:
> On 7/28/2016 5:38 PM, John wrote:
>>
>> Just for grins & giggles, another tale of something or other ...
>>
>> Started the quest for Windoze 10 on my Photoshop computer yesterday
>> morning at 4:00am. If I'm going to have insomnia I might as well get
>> some use out of it.
>>
>> Again following the procrastinators guide, I made an image backup before
>> starting. That went smoothly, even better than it did on this computer.
>>
>
> Forced a roll back to Windows 7 because Windows 10 just wouldn't work.
> Lag time was incredible. Something as simple as a restart took over 30
> minutes. There's not way to load into Safe Mode. I'm pretty sure the
> problem was something in a video driver, even though I had a video
> driver that was supposed to be good for Windows 7, 8 & 10. Couldn't get
> a new Windows 10 specific video driver to install.
>
> As noted above, I made a system image backup before embarking on this
> adventure. I've been trying since 7:00am this morning to get Windows 7
> Backup & Restore to recognize it.
>
> At this point, it looks like I'm going to have to find all of my
> original software media and install from scratch.
>
>
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Re: OT: Windoze 10 Re-ducks

2016-08-01 Thread John

On 7/28/2016 5:38 PM, John wrote:

Just for grins & giggles, another tale of something or other ...

Started the quest for Windoze 10 on my Photoshop computer yesterday
morning at 4:00am. If I'm going to have insomnia I might as well get
some use out of it.

Again following the procrastinators guide, I made an image backup before
starting. That went smoothly, even better than it did on this computer.



Forced a roll back to Windows 7 because Windows 10 just wouldn't work.
Lag time was incredible. Something as simple as a restart took over 30
minutes. There's not way to load into Safe Mode. I'm pretty sure the
problem was something in a video driver, even though I had a video
driver that was supposed to be good for Windows 7, 8 & 10. Couldn't get
a new Windows 10 specific video driver to install.

As noted above, I made a system image backup before embarking on this
adventure. I've been trying since 7:00am this morning to get Windows 7
Backup & Restore to recognize it.

At this point, it looks like I'm going to have to find all of my
original software media and install from scratch.

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Re: OT: Windoze 10 Re-ducks

2016-07-31 Thread John

Windows 10 is a F** ABOMINATION!

39 hours for the first installation attempt that failed because the
installer can't detect the correct CPU and tried to install an AMD 64
version on a system with an Intel i7 CPU.

37 hours for the second installation attempt that although it finally
got through to a log-in could not be shut down.

I finally had to resort to the power button on the system case to
FORCE shutdown.

Now it won't start. I get that windoze10 splash screen and an
endlessly rotating string of dots. TNo way to force it into SAFE MODE.

The existing copy of Windoze 7 that I already have will be reinstalled
and is the last Micro$haft product I will ever buy. If Photoshop would
run on Linux, I wouldn't even bother with that.

On 7/29/2016 12:41 PM, John Francis wrote:

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 07:59:03AM +1000, Brian Walters wrote:

Hmm - it's tales like this that make me glad I resisted the temptation
to upgrade from Win7.  It works; it does what I want; I'm leaving well
enough alone...

Also my PC is so low spec that I'm almost certain I'd run into worse
problems than you have.


I've upgraded three machines; the lowest-spec one was an older HP laptop
with dual celeron processors.  That one took over 12 hours to run through
the installation process, but it eventually got there.

My only problems have been with the network; sometimes when one machine
boots up it can't connect to my wireless network.  I still haven't found
out the best incantation to fix this problem, but so far I've have always
been able to connect eventually.



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Re: OT: Windoze 10 Re-ducks

2016-07-29 Thread Bob W-PDML
I hear the "Back to CP/M" movement has been gaining a lot of ground recently.

Pip! Pip!
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> On 29 Jul 2016, at 18:59, John  wrote:
> 
> Well, an update of sorts ...
> 
> Following some of the information I found on the internet, I did a scan
> for broken drivers. It returned a log file of all the things it "fixed".
> 
> Reading through the log file I couldn't make hide nor hair of what it
> had done, but I noticed the log file also contained all the errors from
> the failed Windoze 10 installation attempt & I noticed something
> peculiar. All of the errors were from packages that failed to open & all
> the packages that did fail were for an AMD x64 processor.
> 
> I found that kind of interesting because the system CPU is a quad core
> Intel i7.
> 
> ???
> 
> I'll give it one more go, but if it doesn't install in time to qualify
> for the "free upgrade", fageddaboutit!
> 
>> On 7/29/2016 12:41 PM, John Francis wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 07:59:03AM +1000, Brian Walters wrote:
>>> Hmm - it's tales like this that make me glad I resisted the temptation
>>> to upgrade from Win7.  It works; it does what I want; I'm leaving well
>>> enough alone...
>>> 
>>> Also my PC is so low spec that I'm almost certain I'd run into worse
>>> problems than you have.
>> 
>> I've upgraded three machines; the lowest-spec one was an older HP laptop
>> with dual celeron processors.  That one took over 12 hours to run through
>> the installation process, but it eventually got there.
>> 
>> My only problems have been with the network; sometimes when one machine
>> boots up it can't connect to my wireless network.  I still haven't found
>> out the best incantation to fix this problem, but so far I've have always
>> been able to connect eventually.
> 
> 

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Re: OT: Windoze 10 Re-ducks

2016-07-29 Thread John

Well, an update of sorts ...

Following some of the information I found on the internet, I did a scan
for broken drivers. It returned a log file of all the things it "fixed".

Reading through the log file I couldn't make hide nor hair of what it
had done, but I noticed the log file also contained all the errors from
the failed Windoze 10 installation attempt & I noticed something
peculiar. All of the errors were from packages that failed to open & all
the packages that did fail were for an AMD x64 processor.

I found that kind of interesting because the system CPU is a quad core
Intel i7.

???

I'll give it one more go, but if it doesn't install in time to qualify
for the "free upgrade", fageddaboutit!

On 7/29/2016 12:41 PM, John Francis wrote:

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 07:59:03AM +1000, Brian Walters wrote:

Hmm - it's tales like this that make me glad I resisted the temptation
to upgrade from Win7.  It works; it does what I want; I'm leaving well
enough alone...

Also my PC is so low spec that I'm almost certain I'd run into worse
problems than you have.


I've upgraded three machines; the lowest-spec one was an older HP laptop
with dual celeron processors.  That one took over 12 hours to run through
the installation process, but it eventually got there.

My only problems have been with the network; sometimes when one machine
boots up it can't connect to my wireless network.  I still haven't found
out the best incantation to fix this problem, but so far I've have always
been able to connect eventually.



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Re: OT: Windoze 10 Re-ducks

2016-07-29 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 07:59:03AM +1000, Brian Walters wrote:
> Hmm - it's tales like this that make me glad I resisted the temptation
> to upgrade from Win7.  It works; it does what I want; I'm leaving well
> enough alone...
> 
> Also my PC is so low spec that I'm almost certain I'd run into worse
> problems than you have.

I've upgraded three machines; the lowest-spec one was an older HP laptop
with dual celeron processors.  That one took over 12 hours to run through
the installation process, but it eventually got there.

My only problems have been with the network; sometimes when one machine
boots up it can't connect to my wireless network.  I still haven't found
out the best incantation to fix this problem, but so far I've have always
been able to connect eventually.

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Re: OT: Windoze 10 Re-ducks

2016-07-29 Thread John

When I wrote that yesterday, I wasn't having problems, I was just amused
by how slowly it was going. I wasn't any more pissed off at Microsoft than
usual ... yesterday.

Today, I think Microsoft has reached a new low.

This morning it's "We couldn't Install Windows 10". So, maybe now I AM
having troubles.

"The installation failed in the FIRST_BOOT phase with an error during
SYSPREP operation" & an error [0xC1900101-0x30018] that's not listed in
the "Troubleshooting Tips" webpage that message links to.

I've been searching the web for answers & Microsoft's response in every
forum where I've found the error listed is "Good luck! Come back & let
us know if you find a solution."

Windoze 10 looks like it's going to be a bigger POS than Vista or
Windoze 8. All the hype surrounding Windoze 10 stresses how easy &
convenient it is to "upgrade" & use. I've successfully installed Windoze
10 on one of three computers; 33% success rate.

That is double-plus NOT good.

On 7/28/2016 5:59 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

Hmm - it's tales like this that make me glad I resisted the temptation
to upgrade from Win7.  It works; it does what I want; I'm leaving well
enough alone...

Also my PC is so low spec that I'm almost certain I'd run into worse
problems than you have.


Cheers

Brian

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On Fri, Jul 29, 2016, at 07:38 AM, John wrote:

Just for grins & giggles, another tale of something or other ...

Started the quest for Windoze 10 on my Photoshop computer yesterday
morning at 4:00am. If I'm going to have insomnia I might as well get
some use out of it.




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Re: OT: Windoze 10 Re-ducks

2016-07-28 Thread Brian Walters
Hmm - it's tales like this that make me glad I resisted the temptation
to upgrade from Win7.  It works; it does what I want; I'm leaving well
enough alone...

Also my PC is so low spec that I'm almost certain I'd run into worse
problems than you have.


Cheers

Brian

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On Fri, Jul 29, 2016, at 07:38 AM, John wrote:
> Just for grins & giggles, another tale of something or other ...
> 
> Started the quest for Windoze 10 on my Photoshop computer yesterday
> morning at 4:00am. If I'm going to have insomnia I might as well get
> some use out of it.
> 
> Again following the procrastinators guide, I made an image backup before
> starting. That went smoothly, even better than it did on this computer.
> 
> But then I ran into problems with Windoze 7. Somehow I'd hosed it up.
> First hint was when I plugged in the thumb drive with the Windoze 10
> installation program & couldn't open it to run setup. Couldn't eject the
> thumb drive, couldn't shut down. Finally had to resort to using the
> power switch to kill it. Started again & chose safe mode.
> 
> Got a screen telling me a Windoze Update had failed & was being reversed
> to status quo ante. "Do not turn off your computer!"
> 
> By then it was time for me to leave for my Wednesday morning photography
> brunch.
> 
> Arrived back home around 2:00pm & it was still showing the same screen.
> 
> Decided "EFF IT!" and went out again to buy a 256GB Solid State Drive
> with a 10 year warranty. Replaced both the boot drive and the 120GB 2.5"
> drive I was using for Photoshop's scratch disk with solid state drives.
> I have a bunch of 120GB & 128GB solid state drives I bought for $20 each
> when Tiger Direct was closing their local store here in Raleigh.
> 
> Did a clean install of Windoze 7 PRO 64-bit w/SP1 from DVD. While it was
> doing its thing, I used this computer to load another thumb drive with
> motherboard drivers (audio, USB, PCI bridge & LAN), latest Nvidia driver
> for the video card, latest Firefox stand-alone installer & a couple of
> Microsoft Update MSU files that effectively add up to "Service Pack 2"
> (although Microsoft doesn't call it that, it's a "convenience roll-up")
> 
> Everything went swimmingly, although the "convenience roll-up" takes
> about 4 hours to install. But install it does.
> 
> I'm prepared. I have several library books close to hand to while away
> the hours while I wait.
> 
> Finally got started with the Windoze 10 install around 9:00pm. I have
> the standalone installer on another thumb drive. Inserted it and
> double-clicked Setup. It told me my Windoze 7 wasn't registered & I
> needed to provide a product key. The guy at the computer store had
> warned me to expect that & that I could just use the Windoze 7 product
> key.
> 
> No joy!
> 
> So I exited & found where to register the Windoze 7 installation with
> Microsoft & that was one of the few instances where something from
> Microsoft has worked correctly without my having to beat it into
> submission.
> 
> Second time ... everything seems to be going along well. I chose not to
> install updates because that took a long time when I did it on this
> computer. So, it's going along & doing its own thing - purple screen
> "Installing Windoze 10" - until about midnight the screen just goes
> blank. Hit the space bar, move the mouse around & click the left button
> a couple of times. Nothing! But the activity light on the computer is
> still steadily blinking, so I let it keep doing whatever it's doing.
> After about half an hour, I get a mouse pointer.
> 
> Around 1:00am, it comes up with the screen with the big circle
> "Upgrading Windows" 0%. Down in the lower left it says "Copying files
> 0%". I'm guessing that even though it's supposed to be a "stand-alone"
> installer, it's downloading those updates I told it I would install
> later.
> 
> *AND* I'm guessing that all the OTHER procrastinators who waited until
> the
> last minute are also downloading & installing Windoze 10 today (deadline
> is tomorrow) and Microsoft doesn't have enough server capacity to handle
> the current load.
> 
> I just took a look & it's now "Upgrading Windows 23%" and "Copying files
> 77%".
> 
> Damn! I'm glad I didn't wait until the Friday deadline. I just hope it
> finishes before that deadline.
> 
> Still have to download & install anti-virus software, and I have to
> install Photoshop, Nik filters, etc., plus all the other little programs
> I use on that computer.
> 
> Not mad or anything. I expected a long, involved, EFFED UP process & it
> hasn't disappointed.
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Re: OT: Windoze 10

2016-07-18 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
All my software appears to be working normally with WinDoze 10


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On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 11:49 PM, Bob Sullivan 
wrote:

> My question is if my installed Excell, Word. Access, Lightroom, etc.
> will all work on Windows 10.
> Any experienced users?  I don't want to buy this stuff again!!!
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 6:31 PM, John  wrote:
> > I don't know whether it's any good or not, but it's starting to piss me
> > off!. I don't like feeling like I'm being stampeded.
> >
> > Feels like the old days when Micro$oft was trying to waterboard any
> > product that might offer an alternative.
> >
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Re: OT: Windoze 10

2016-07-18 Thread Mark C
I updated two PC's to Win 10 with no major issues. The touchscreen on my 
wife's laptop stopped working but running the hardware trouble shooter 
(or something like that) fixed it.


On 7/17/2016 11:49 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

My question is if my installed Excell, Word. Access, Lightroom, etc.
will all work on Windows 10.
Any experienced users?  I don't want to buy this stuff again!!!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 6:31 PM, John  wrote:

I don't know whether it's any good or not, but it's starting to piss me
off!. I don't like feeling like I'm being stampeded.

Feels like the old days when Micro$oft was trying to waterboard any
product that might offer an alternative.


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Re: OT: Windoze 10

2016-07-18 Thread Bill

On 7/17/2016 9:49 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

My question is if my installed Excell, Word. Access, Lightroom, etc.
will all work on Windows 10.
Any experienced users?  I don't want to buy this stuff again!!!



I had no comparability issues with my install. I believe MS has a small 
application you can download to test your system for these sorts of things.



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RE: OT: Windoze 10

2016-07-17 Thread John Coyle
You should have no problem Bob - I upgraded to W10 on the first opportunity, 
and everything worked
fine.  In fact, I'm still using a 1995 copy of Lotus SmartSuite with no issues 
at all (still prefer
Lotus 1-2-3 to Excel!).
HTH

John in Brisbane



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My question is if my installed Excell, Word. Access, Lightroom, etc.
will all work on Windows 10.
Any experienced users?  I don't want to buy this stuff again!!!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 6:31 PM, John  wrote:
> I don't know whether it's any good or not, but it's starting to piss 
> me off!. I don't like feeling like I'm being stampeded.
>
> Feels like the old days when Micro$oft was trying to waterboard any 
> product that might offer an alternative.
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Re: OT: Windoze 10

2016-07-17 Thread Paul
Backward compatibility seems good.  Using MS Office 2003 - I've got some 
stuff that I've been using since XP and it runs OK.


-p


On 7/17/2016 10:49 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

My question is if my installed Excell, Word. Access, Lightroom, etc.
will all work on Windows 10.
Any experienced users?  I don't want to buy this stuff again!!!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 6:31 PM, John  wrote:

I don't know whether it's any good or not, but it's starting to piss me
off!. I don't like feeling like I'm being stampeded.

Feels like the old days when Micro$oft was trying to waterboard any
product that might offer an alternative.


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Re: OT: Windoze 10

2016-07-17 Thread Bob Sullivan
My question is if my installed Excell, Word. Access, Lightroom, etc.
will all work on Windows 10.
Any experienced users?  I don't want to buy this stuff again!!!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 6:31 PM, John  wrote:
> I don't know whether it's any good or not, but it's starting to piss me
> off!. I don't like feeling like I'm being stampeded.
>
> Feels like the old days when Micro$oft was trying to waterboard any
> product that might offer an alternative.
>
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