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Paul Stenquist wrote: No real news. The first hearing was just to see if my daughter was going to appear and to tell her not to leave the jurisdiction until the case is settled. Our lawyer asked for a dismissal, but the judge wants to hold the evidentiary hearing before ruling on that. It will probably happen in a few weeks. Paul I haven't been keeping up on the list here, but I belatedly wish you and your daughter good luck in this. - MCC -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, Michigan www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I hope everything turns out well for your daughter, granddaughter and you, Paul. Carlos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/03/26 Mon PM 07:48:59 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Wish Me Luck The father has a recent conviction for drug possession and no job, yet UK legal aid still allowed him to bring this suit and apparently is paying the US lawyers $700 an hour for their services. Now our UK friends know where there tax dollars are going. Paul I pay tax in _dollars_? Don't know whether to be annoyed that I'm in the 51st state or happy that my bill just reduced by 50%. On Mar 26, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Jim King wrote: keith_w wrote on Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:58:07 -0800: (snip) Misleading! As I understand it, that child is in the custody of the mother, and both are currently living with blood relatives. It's not as tho' it were kidnapped to a foreign country by non-parents. Exactly! My problem is that one can apparently be brought into court, requiring expensive legal representation, for reasons having to do more with malice than with equity. The legal system needs to filter out cases without merit before allowing charges or a tort to be brought, and there should be consequences for those bringing baseless cases before the court. Our system seems to reward lawyers for such behavior. But then, I'm not a lawyer; what do I know? Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 3/25/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The nightmare had become reality.snip Paul, I've now read many dozens of replies in this thread, and really, I can add nothing to this matter other than to send my best wishes to your grandaughter (for it's her welfare that is everyone's primary concern), your daughter and you and your family. One thing I will caution you about is listening to legal advice from non-lawyers (including this list). Without comment, I'll say that I've seen much in the way of inaccuracy and wrong information on this list, well intentioned though it might be. You'll be paying plenty to your lawyer - listen to her. Best of luck, and I'll be sending good thoughts Grace's way! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Be happy:-). Just a cross cultural screw up on my part. Tax dollars is such a common expression here that it slipped out unnoticed. Paul On Mar 27, 2007, at 8:54 AM, mike wilson wrote: From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/03/26 Mon PM 07:48:59 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Wish Me Luck The father has a recent conviction for drug possession and no job, yet UK legal aid still allowed him to bring this suit and apparently is paying the US lawyers $700 an hour for their services. Now our UK friends know where there tax dollars are going. Paul I pay tax in _dollars_? Don't know whether to be annoyed that I'm in the 51st state or happy that my bill just reduced by 50%. On Mar 26, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Jim King wrote: keith_w wrote on Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:58:07 -0800: (snip) Misleading! As I understand it, that child is in the custody of the mother, and both are currently living with blood relatives. It's not as tho' it were kidnapped to a foreign country by non-parents. Exactly! My problem is that one can apparently be brought into court, requiring expensive legal representation, for reasons having to do more with malice than with equity. The legal system needs to filter out cases without merit before allowing charges or a tort to be brought, and there should be consequences for those bringing baseless cases before the court. Our system seems to reward lawyers for such behavior. But then, I'm not a lawyer; what do I know? Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 3/25/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The nightmare had become reality.snip Paul, Trust it all works out in the end. The road can get rough tho. Hang tough, best of luck. dk -- www.pbase.com/davekennedy Ottawa Valley, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/03/27 Tue PM 01:30:53 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Wish Me Luck Be happy:-). Just a cross cultural screw up on my part. Tax dollars is such a common expression here that it slipped out unnoticed. Paul Just hope I'm lightening your day. What news? On Mar 27, 2007, at 8:54 AM, mike wilson wrote: From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/03/26 Mon PM 07:48:59 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Wish Me Luck The father has a recent conviction for drug possession and no job, yet UK legal aid still allowed him to bring this suit and apparently is paying the US lawyers $700 an hour for their services. Now our UK friends know where there tax dollars are going. Paul I pay tax in _dollars_? Don't know whether to be annoyed that I'm in the 51st state or happy that my bill just reduced by 50%. On Mar 26, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Jim King wrote: keith_w wrote on Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:58:07 -0800: (snip) Misleading! As I understand it, that child is in the custody of the mother, and both are currently living with blood relatives. It's not as tho' it were kidnapped to a foreign country by non-parents. Exactly! My problem is that one can apparently be brought into court, requiring expensive legal representation, for reasons having to do more with malice than with equity. The legal system needs to filter out cases without merit before allowing charges or a tort to be brought, and there should be consequences for those bringing baseless cases before the court. Our system seems to reward lawyers for such behavior. But then, I'm not a lawyer; what do I know? Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Thanks Frank. I'm in good hands with the lawyers who are working on the case. They have a lot of experience and are very thorough. I think it will be handled quickly. Translation: I hope it will be handled before I run out of money:-). Paul On Mar 27, 2007, at 9:41 AM, frank theriault wrote: On 3/25/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The nightmare had become reality.snip Paul, I've now read many dozens of replies in this thread, and really, I can add nothing to this matter other than to send my best wishes to your grandaughter (for it's her welfare that is everyone's primary concern), your daughter and you and your family. One thing I will caution you about is listening to legal advice from non-lawyers (including this list). Without comment, I'll say that I've seen much in the way of inaccuracy and wrong information on this list, well intentioned though it might be. You'll be paying plenty to your lawyer - listen to her. Best of luck, and I'll be sending good thoughts Grace's way! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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No real news. The first hearing was just to see if my daughter was going to appear and to tell her not to leave the jurisdiction until the case is settled. Our lawyer asked for a dismissal, but the judge wants to hold the evidentiary hearing before ruling on that. It will probably happen in a few weeks. Paul On Mar 27, 2007, at 10:06 AM, mike wilson wrote: From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/03/27 Tue PM 01:30:53 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Wish Me Luck Be happy:-). Just a cross cultural screw up on my part. Tax dollars is such a common expression here that it slipped out unnoticed. Paul Just hope I'm lightening your day. What news? On Mar 27, 2007, at 8:54 AM, mike wilson wrote: From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/03/26 Mon PM 07:48:59 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Wish Me Luck The father has a recent conviction for drug possession and no job, yet UK legal aid still allowed him to bring this suit and apparently is paying the US lawyers $700 an hour for their services. Now our UK friends know where there tax dollars are going. Paul I pay tax in _dollars_? Don't know whether to be annoyed that I'm in the 51st state or happy that my bill just reduced by 50%. On Mar 26, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Jim King wrote: keith_w wrote on Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:58:07 -0800: (snip) Misleading! As I understand it, that child is in the custody of the mother, and both are currently living with blood relatives. It's not as tho' it were kidnapped to a foreign country by non-parents. Exactly! My problem is that one can apparently be brought into court, requiring expensive legal representation, for reasons having to do more with malice than with equity. The legal system needs to filter out cases without merit before allowing charges or a tort to be brought, and there should be consequences for those bringing baseless cases before the court. Our system seems to reward lawyers for such behavior. But then, I'm not a lawyer; what do I know? Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Paul, I wish you the very best of luck with this horrible situation. Amita -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Was that the first $6,000? I assume not. In this situation, having essentially the total legal gauntlet in front of me certainly would add to my frustration. As the process goes forward, however, I'd look for a relaxing of anxiety and a growing optimism. Jack --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No real news. The first hearing was just to see if my daughter was going to appear and to tell her not to leave the jurisdiction until the case is settled. Our lawyer asked for a dismissal, but the judge wants to hold the evidentiary hearing before ruling on that. It will probably happen in a few weeks. Paul On Mar 27, 2007, at 10:06 AM, mike wilson wrote: From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/03/27 Tue PM 01:30:53 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Wish Me Luck Be happy:-). Just a cross cultural screw up on my part. Tax dollars is such a common expression here that it slipped out unnoticed. Paul Just hope I'm lightening your day. What news? On Mar 27, 2007, at 8:54 AM, mike wilson wrote: From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/03/26 Mon PM 07:48:59 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Wish Me Luck The father has a recent conviction for drug possession and no job, yet UK legal aid still allowed him to bring this suit and apparently is paying the US lawyers $700 an hour for their services. Now our UK friends know where there tax dollars are going. Paul I pay tax in _dollars_? Don't know whether to be annoyed that I'm in the 51st state or happy that my bill just reduced by 50%. On Mar 26, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Jim King wrote: keith_w wrote on Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:58:07 -0800: (snip) Misleading! As I understand it, that child is in the custody of the mother, and both are currently living with blood relatives. It's not as tho' it were kidnapped to a foreign country by non-parents. Exactly! My problem is that one can apparently be brought into court, requiring expensive legal representation, for reasons having to do more with malice than with equity. The legal system needs to filter out cases without merit before allowing charges or a tort to be brought, and there should be consequences for those bringing baseless cases before the court. Our system seems to reward lawyers for such behavior. But then, I'm not a lawyer; what do I know? Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Paul Stenquist wrote: Thanks Frank. I'm in good hands with the lawyers who are working on the case. They have a lot of experience and are very thorough. I think it will be handled quickly. Translation: I hope it will be handled before I run out of money:-). If the need arises, I wouldn't be surprised if the PDML could generate a defense fund for you. I'd certainly contribute. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 27/3/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: If the need arises, I wouldn't be surprised if the PDML could generate a defense fund for you. I'd certainly contribute. If the scumbag can get legal aid, I don't see why Grace herself is not entitled to it, being a Scot. It would be nice if there was some mechanism in the system to accommodate this. http://www.slab.org.uk/ -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Thanks much. That's very thoughtful. I think we'll be fine. Time will tell. Many thanks to all who have responded. I will update the situation when there is progress. That won't happen for at least a couple of weeks. Paul On Mar 27, 2007, at 11:56 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: Thanks Frank. I'm in good hands with the lawyers who are working on the case. They have a lot of experience and are very thorough. I think it will be handled quickly. Translation: I hope it will be handled before I run out of money:-). If the need arises, I wouldn't be surprised if the PDML could generate a defense fund for you. I'd certainly contribute. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Paul. Don't be a fool hesitating if you need a hand. You have friends, and that is what friends are for. Tim Typo Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: 27. mars 2007 20:13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: Wish Me Luck Thanks much. That's very thoughtful. I think we'll be fine. Time will tell. Many thanks to all who have responded. I will update the situation when there is progress. That won't happen for at least a couple of weeks. Paul On Mar 27, 2007, at 11:56 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: Thanks Frank. I'm in good hands with the lawyers who are working on the case. They have a lot of experience and are very thorough. I think it will be handled quickly. Translation: I hope it will be handled before I run out of money:-). If the need arises, I wouldn't be surprised if the PDML could generate a defense fund for you. I'd certainly contribute. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Count me in! Boris Tim Øsleby wrote: Paul. Don't be a fool hesitating if you need a hand. You have friends, and that is what friends are for. Tim Typo Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: 27. mars 2007 20:13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: Wish Me Luck Thanks much. That's very thoughtful. I think we'll be fine. Time will tell. Many thanks to all who have responded. I will update the situation when there is progress. That won't happen for at least a couple of weeks. Paul On Mar 27, 2007, at 11:56 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: Thanks Frank. I'm in good hands with the lawyers who are working on the case. They have a lot of experience and are very thorough. I think it will be handled quickly. Translation: I hope it will be handled before I run out of money:-). If the need arises, I wouldn't be surprised if the PDML could generate a defense fund for you. I'd certainly contribute. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: 27 March 2007 19:07 To: pentax list Subject: Re: OT: Wish Me Luck On 27/3/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: If the need arises, I wouldn't be surprised if the PDML could generate a defense fund for you. I'd certainly contribute. If the scumbag can get legal aid, I don't see why Grace herself is not entitled to it, being a Scot. It would be nice if there was some mechanism in the system to accommodate this. http://www.slab.org.uk/ Grace won't be the defendant. Presumably her mother will. If she's still married to the father she may qualify - might be worth exploring the citizenship question in any case. -- Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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You're right. The action is against my daughter. She is still married to the Scot, although my daughter's lawyer is filing for divorce as well as defending the custody action. I'll tell my daughter to investigate. Of course I've already delivered the first check to the attorney. I think that's a one-way street. Paul On Mar 27, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Bob W wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: 27 March 2007 19:07 To: pentax list Subject: Re: OT: Wish Me Luck On 27/3/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: If the need arises, I wouldn't be surprised if the PDML could generate a defense fund for you. I'd certainly contribute. If the scumbag can get legal aid, I don't see why Grace herself is not entitled to it, being a Scot. It would be nice if there was some mechanism in the system to accommodate this. http://www.slab.org.uk/ Grace won't be the defendant. Presumably her mother will. If she's still married to the father she may qualify - might be worth exploring the citizenship question in any case. -- Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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And that's the fault of the American legal system, not the British legal system ... While I wish you luck in your case, I think it's a great deal better to have a verdict based on the merits of the case, rather than on anyones ability to pay for lawyers. On Sun, Mar 25, 2007 at 08:41:13PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: Thanks Walter. I'm sure we'll prevail, but it might be expensive. Paul On Mar 25, 2007, at 8:00 PM, Walter Hamler wrote: My prayers will be with you tomorrow. Life sucks sometimes! Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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John Francis wrote: And that's the fault of the American legal system, not the British legal system ... While I wish you luck in your case, I think it's a great deal better to have a verdict based on the merits of the case, rather than on anyones ability to pay for lawyers. When did that nicety show up in the U.S. jurisprudence system? Almost without exception, you get a FAR better deal, and a more fair deal, if you can afford the high priced law firms to take your case. Unfortunately, I've seen the reverse happen too often, as well, where the bad guys who can afford high priced representation get off scot-free. Nevertheless, if the average person in legal trouble can afford it, his chances of ending up with a more reasonable decision are increased in direct proportion to his ability to pay for assistance. keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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It's not a travesty - it's a problem with two different systems interacting. If this were being tried in a UK court the legal aid system would provide a lawyer for the plaintiff, but it wouldn't necessarily provide a lawyer from the most expensive firm in town (or, at any rate, it wouldn't pay him any more than the regulation fee it would provide to any lawyer). But when the jurisdiction is overseas it gets more complicated. The system obviously errs on the side of providing better service, rather than leaving the rights of a British citizen in the hands of lawyers who might be unfamiliar with the complications of a trans-national case. That seems to me to be the correct thing to do. And while I'm sure Paul is being truthful in his assessment of the merits of the case that doesn't mean the case shouldn't be brought - the law should be available to everyone (even alcoholic drug dealers). And there is at least enough of a case here for it to be brought to trial; a minor child has been taken from the home of a British parent and taken to a foreign country. The legal guardianship of that child is in dispute, and that can only be settled in court. On Sun, Mar 25, 2007 at 08:51:53PM -0400, Jim King wrote: What a travesty to make of the legal system! Good luck, and may your lawyer tie them in knots! Regards, Jim BTW, can you recover your legal fees if, as hoped, the judge tosses the case out of court? It seems to me that there should be some penalty for bringing a case without merit. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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John Francis wrote: It's not a travesty - it's a problem with two different systems interacting. If this were being tried in a UK court the legal aid system would provide a lawyer for the plaintiff, but it wouldn't necessarily provide a lawyer from the most expensive firm in town (or, at any rate, it wouldn't pay him any more than the regulation fee it would provide to any lawyer). But when the jurisdiction is overseas it gets more complicated. The system obviously errs on the side of providing better service, rather than leaving the rights of a British citizen in the hands of lawyers who might be unfamiliar with the complications of a trans-national case. That seems to me to be the correct thing to do. And while I'm sure Paul is being truthful in his assessment of the merits of the case that doesn't mean the case shouldn't be brought - the law should be available to everyone (even alcoholic drug dealers). And there is at least enough of a case here for it to be brought to trial; a minor child has been taken from the home of a British parent and taken to a foreign country. Misleading! As I understand it, that child is in the custody of the mother, and both are currently living with blood relatives. It's not as tho' it were kidnapped to a foreign country by non-parents. keith whaley The legal guardianship of that child is in dispute, and that can only be settled in court. On Sun, Mar 25, 2007 at 08:51:53PM -0400, Jim King wrote: What a travesty to make of the legal system! Good luck, and may your lawyer tie them in knots! Regards, Jim BTW, can you recover your legal fees if, as hoped, the judge tosses the case out of court? It seems to me that there should be some penalty for bringing a case without merit. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/03/25 Sun PM 11:51:45 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Subject: OT: Wish Me Luck The nightmare had become reality. Chin up, Paul and family. No sensible court is going to give custody (and maybe not even access rights) to an idividual as messed up as Grace's father seems to be. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I doubt it. The father is a penniless lout. The UK should have to pay, but I doubt that anything like that can be made to happen. Paul On Mar 25, 2007, at 8:51 PM, Jim King wrote: What a travesty to make of the legal system! Good luck, and may your lawyer tie them in knots! Regards, Jim BTW, can you recover your legal fees if, as hoped, the judge tosses the case out of court? It seems to me that there should be some penalty for bringing a case without merit. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Can we please let the merits of the case and the two court systems be and just wish Paul luck? I'm sure it won't do him any good to get into a flamosophical discussion about what's right and good. We can do nothing about his situation except to support him. We can be a hurtful bunch though, if we choose. Good luck Paul. Cory - Original Message - From: keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 3:48 AM Subject: Re: OT: Wish Me Luck John Francis wrote: It's not a travesty - it's a problem with two different systems interacting. If this were being tried in a UK court the legal aid system would provide a lawyer for the plaintiff, but it wouldn't necessarily provide a lawyer from the most expensive firm in town (or, at any rate, it wouldn't pay him any more than the regulation fee it would provide to any lawyer). But when the jurisdiction is overseas it gets more complicated. The system obviously errs on the side of providing better service, rather than leaving the rights of a British citizen in the hands of lawyers who might be unfamiliar with the complications of a trans-national case. That seems to me to be the correct thing to do. And while I'm sure Paul is being truthful in his assessment of the merits of the case that doesn't mean the case shouldn't be brought - the law should be available to everyone (even alcoholic drug dealers). And there is at least enough of a case here for it to be brought to trial; a minor child has been taken from the home of a British parent and taken to a foreign country. Misleading! As I understand it, that child is in the custody of the mother, and both are currently living with blood relatives. It's not as tho' it were kidnapped to a foreign country by non-parents. keith whaley The legal guardianship of that child is in dispute, and that can only be settled in court. On Sun, Mar 25, 2007 at 08:51:53PM -0400, Jim King wrote: What a travesty to make of the legal system! Good luck, and may your lawyer tie them in knots! Regards, Jim BTW, can you recover your legal fees if, as hoped, the judge tosses the case out of court? It seems to me that there should be some penalty for bringing a case without merit. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/732 - Release Date: 3/24/2007 4:36 PM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Mar 26, 2007, at 1:27 AM, Cotty wrote: . If what you say is true, and I'm sure it is, then you have nothing to worry about. -- Other than the six thousand dollars that I have to come up with. But as I said, I appreciate your support. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Hi Paul I'm with Cotty here and can not believe that any law could force Grace to leave the United states and her mother. The judges will decide in favor of Grace. I wish you all the power and luck you need. Greetings Markus Our legal aid system is not perfect - far from it - but it does give everyone a fair crack at the legal whip. If what you say is true, and I'm sure it is, then you have nothing to worry about. -- Cheers, Cotty -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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While I agree that this happens all too often, sometimes the little guys *do* win. This one took on BASF. http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=581631 -P keith_w wrote: When did that nicety show up in the U.S. jurisprudence system? Almost without exception, you get a FAR better deal, and a more fair deal, if you can afford the high priced law firms to take your case. Unfortunately, I've seen the reverse happen too often, as well, where the bad guys who can afford high priced representation get off scot-free. Nevertheless, if the average person in legal trouble can afford it, his chances of ending up with a more reasonable decision are increased in direct proportion to his ability to pay for assistance. keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I really hope all goes well for ya'll Paul Xing fingers Dave On 3/25/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The nightmare had become reality. Late Friday a United States Marshall came to our front door with legal papers served for Grace's father. He's an unemployed alcoholic, part-time drug dealer who lives near Edinburg, Scotland. But like all citizens of the Uk, he's entitled to free legal aid. So when my daughter, who was tired of being beaten and locked in an apartment, fled Scotland with Grace, he sought legal aid. He doesn't really want Grace. He wants to punish my daughter for leaving him. But the UK legal aid system is monstrous. They were able to retain the best law firm in Michigan to represent him. The law firm evidently was able to pull some strings. We weren't served papers until Friday night for a Monday court appearance. The first lawyer my daughter talked to wanted a 20K US retainer just to show up. Luckily, I have some friends in law as well. I eventually found a very aggressive young woman lawyer who will represent us tomorrow. I still have to come up with a six K retainer, but that's better than twenty K. I think the Brits and their social welfare state should go directly to hell. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Cotty wrote: Our legal aid system is not perfect - far from it - but it does give everyone a fair crack at the legal whip. If what you say is true, and I'm sure it is, then you have nothing to worry about. Paul, I know someone who is going through a situation very much like your own right now. In fact, the situation is *eeriely* like your own: His doughter has a child whose father is an umenployed alchoholic, etc., etc. and a child custody battle is in progress (though both parents are in the U.S.). Remember, the courts, at least at first, have no choice but to assume both parents are equally deserving of custody until evidence to the contrary is presented. It's unpleasant and expensive but I'm confident you'll prevail. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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keith_w wrote on Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:58:07 -0800: (snip) Misleading! As I understand it, that child is in the custody of the mother, and both are currently living with blood relatives. It's not as tho' it were kidnapped to a foreign country by non-parents. Exactly! My problem is that one can apparently be brought into court, requiring expensive legal representation, for reasons having to do more with malice than with equity. The legal system needs to filter out cases without merit before allowing charges or a tort to be brought, and there should be consequences for those bringing baseless cases before the court. Our system seems to reward lawyers for such behavior. But then, I'm not a lawyer; what do I know? Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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In a message dated 3/26/2007 9:07:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Exactly! My problem is that one can apparently be brought into court, requiring expensive legal representation, for reasons having to do more with malice than with equity. The legal system needs to filter out cases without merit before allowing charges or a tort to be brought, and there should be consequences for those bringing baseless cases before the court. Our system seems to reward lawyers for such behavior. But then, I'm not a lawyer; what do I know? Regards, Jim === And how would they filter out cases without merit? They'd have to hear both sides. In other words, that is what bringing things into court does. Marnie aka Doe ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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This thread did not show up until just now, strange. Anyway, the best of luck to you, your daughter, and granddaughter in this matter, Paul. -graywolf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Of course you could live somewhere where a simple allegation would get you tossed into prison for several years with your property confiscated. Sort of like they now do to alleged drug dealers here in the US. But Marnie is correct. That is the purpose of a court of law, to determine the facts in the case. The judgment actually should be a separate and disconnected venue, but we never got quite that enlightened. And unfortunately miscarriages of justice happen all to often. --graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And how would they filter out cases without merit? They'd have to hear both sides. In other words, that is what bringing things into court does. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Mark, it seems to me that the amount of money spent by Paul might be directly proportional to the strength of the lawyer of the opposite side. But then again, it does not mean much to Grace or anything really. I do hope that justice and compassion will prevail and Paul's daughter will emerge victorious from this legal process. On 3/26/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep. Remember, the court doesn't know about Paul, Grace and anything else about the case that we do. All the court knows is: - One child - Two parents - Each parent wants custody It sucks, but at least paul seems to have found a lawyer who's cutting him a break: My friend with the similar case is spending *way* more than six thousand dollars, and his case doesn't cross international borders. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/26/2007 9:07:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Exactly! My problem is that one can apparently be brought into court, requiring expensive legal representation, for reasons having to do more with malice than with equity. The legal system needs to filter out cases without merit before allowing charges or a tort to be brought, and there should be consequences for those bringing baseless cases before the court. Our system seems to reward lawyers for such behavior. But then, I'm not a lawyer; what do I know? And how would they filter out cases without merit? They'd have to hear both sides. In other words, that is what bringing things into court does. Yep. Remember, the court doesn't know about Paul, Grace and anything else about the case that we do. All the court knows is: - One child - Two parents - Each parent wants custody It sucks, but at least paul seems to have found a lawyer who's cutting him a break: My friend with the similar case is spending *way* more than six thousand dollars, and his case doesn't cross international borders. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 26/3/07, cbwaters, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm sure it won't do him any good to get into a flamosophical discussion about what's right and good. We can do nothing about his situation except to support him. We can be a hurtful bunch though, if we choose. Good luck Paul. Fully agreed and echoed here. Good luck, and I'm sure common sense will prevail. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:09:59 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And how would they filter out cases without merit? They'd have to hear both sides. In other words, that is what bringing things into court does. It would seem to me that the courts could review the cases being brought and dismiss out of hand those with no legal basis, rather than hauling the person being sued into court to defend themselves against a malicious attack. But I don't know all the facts or the law in this matter; it may be that a hearing with both sides present is required to sort this matter out. In any event, if the plaintiff does not have a valid case (s)he should pay the legal costs of the defendant without having to resort to more legal action to force recovery. If I understand correctly that's the way it works in many countries. However, US lawyers have constructed the legal system differently here. I guess you win some and I win some, but the lawyers always win... (My father was a lawyer and my daughter is a lawyer; I've had this discussion with them also.) Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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My experience in the U.S. legal system (product litigation) is that a win is more often based on the story being told the ones telling it then the facts of the case @ hand. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Wish Me Luck John Francis wrote: And that's the fault of the American legal system, not the British legal system ... While I wish you luck in your case, I think it's a great deal better to have a verdict based on the merits of the case, rather than on anyones ability to pay for lawyers. When did that nicety show up in the U.S. jurisprudence system? Almost without exception, you get a FAR better deal, and a more fair deal, if you can afford the high priced law firms to take your case. Unfortunately, I've seen the reverse happen too often, as well, where the bad guys who can afford high priced representation get off scot-free. Nevertheless, if the average person in legal trouble can afford it, his chances of ending up with a more reasonable decision are increased in direct proportion to his ability to pay for assistance. keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Good luck, and I'm sure common sense will prevail. Sorry to say but I wouldn't bet on that ! Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Wish Me Luck On 26/3/07, cbwaters, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm sure it won't do him any good to get into a flamosophical discussion about what's right and good. We can do nothing about his situation except to support him. We can be a hurtful bunch though, if we choose. Good luck Paul. Fully agreed and echoed here. Good luck, and I'm sure common sense will prevail. -- Cheers, Cotty -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Very well said Cory. Grace needs Paul to be strong, I think distractions like this does not do any them any good. So PSTFU Tim Typo Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cbwaters Sent: 26. mars 2007 12:37 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: Wish Me Luck Can we please let the merits of the case and the two court systems be and just wish Paul luck? I'm sure it won't do him any good to get into a flamosophical discussion about what's right and good. We can do nothing about his situation except to support him. We can be a hurtful bunch though, if we choose. Good luck Paul. Cory - Original Message - From: keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 3:48 AM Subject: Re: OT: Wish Me Luck John Francis wrote: It's not a travesty - it's a problem with two different systems interacting. If this were being tried in a UK court the legal aid system would provide a lawyer for the plaintiff, but it wouldn't necessarily provide a lawyer from the most expensive firm in town (or, at any rate, it wouldn't pay him any more than the regulation fee it would provide to any lawyer). But when the jurisdiction is overseas it gets more complicated. The system obviously errs on the side of providing better service, rather than leaving the rights of a British citizen in the hands of lawyers who might be unfamiliar with the complications of a trans-national case. That seems to me to be the correct thing to do. And while I'm sure Paul is being truthful in his assessment of the merits of the case that doesn't mean the case shouldn't be brought - the law should be available to everyone (even alcoholic drug dealers). And there is at least enough of a case here for it to be brought to trial; a minor child has been taken from the home of a British parent and taken to a foreign country. Misleading! As I understand it, that child is in the custody of the mother, and both are currently living with blood relatives. It's not as tho' it were kidnapped to a foreign country by non-parents. keith whaley The legal guardianship of that child is in dispute, and that can only be settled in court. On Sun, Mar 25, 2007 at 08:51:53PM -0400, Jim King wrote: What a travesty to make of the legal system! Good luck, and may your lawyer tie them in knots! Regards, Jim BTW, can you recover your legal fees if, as hoped, the judge tosses the case out of court? It seems to me that there should be some penalty for bringing a case without merit. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/732 - Release Date: 3/24/2007 4:36 PM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller Subject: Re: OT: Wish Me Luck Good luck, and I'm sure common sense will prevail. Sorry to say but I wouldn't bet on that ! We can always hope it does. I'm not sure how the US court system comes to judgement in family law, but if it is anything like the Canadian system, the biggest deciding factor will be what is best for the child. I don't think there is a court anywhere that will pull a child from a loving home with multiple family caregivers and place her in the home of a person who is, by Paul's description, gravely challenged in this regard. Hopefully, once the smoke clears, Paul can recover damages from the UK government that is funding the legal challenge. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Again, thanks to all for the good wishes. The six thousand is just for the first twenty hours of my lawyer's time. If it goes beyond that, I'll have to pay more. Paul On Mar 26, 2007, at 12:43 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Mark, it seems to me that the amount of money spent by Paul might be directly proportional to the strength of the lawyer of the opposite side. But then again, it does not mean much to Grace or anything really. I do hope that justice and compassion will prevail and Paul's daughter will emerge victorious from this legal process. On 3/26/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep. Remember, the court doesn't know about Paul, Grace and anything else about the case that we do. All the court knows is: - One child - Two parents - Each parent wants custody It sucks, but at least paul seems to have found a lawyer who's cutting him a break: My friend with the similar case is spending *way* more than six thousand dollars, and his case doesn't cross international borders. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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The father has a recent conviction for drug possession and no job, yet UK legal aid still allowed him to bring this suit and apparently is paying the US lawyers $700 an hour for their services. Now our UK friends know where there tax dollars are going. Paul On Mar 26, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Jim King wrote: keith_w wrote on Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:58:07 -0800: (snip) Misleading! As I understand it, that child is in the custody of the mother, and both are currently living with blood relatives. It's not as tho' it were kidnapped to a foreign country by non-parents. Exactly! My problem is that one can apparently be brought into court, requiring expensive legal representation, for reasons having to do more with malice than with equity. The legal system needs to filter out cases without merit before allowing charges or a tort to be brought, and there should be consequences for those bringing baseless cases before the court. Our system seems to reward lawyers for such behavior. But then, I'm not a lawyer; what do I know? Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Hi Paul, I'm sorry to hear about your problem. I wish you all the best of luck and promise you our (me my family's) prayers. Regards Patrick On 3/26/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The nightmare had become reality. Late Friday a United States Marshall came to our front door with legal papers served for Grace's father. He's an unemployed alcoholic, part-time drug dealer who lives near Edinburg, Scotland. But like all citizens of the Uk, he's entitled to free legal aid. So when my daughter, who was tired of being beaten and locked in an apartment, fled Scotland with Grace, he sought legal aid. He doesn't really want Grace. He wants to punish my daughter for leaving him. But the UK legal aid system is monstrous. They were able to retain the best law firm in Michigan to represent him. The law firm evidently was able to pull some strings. We weren't served papers until Friday night for a Monday court appearance. The first lawyer my daughter talked to wanted a 20K US retainer just to show up. Luckily, I have some friends in law as well. I eventually found a very aggressive young woman lawyer who will represent us tomorrow. I still have to come up with a six K retainer, but that's better than twenty K. I think the Brits and their social welfare state should go directly to hell. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Regards Patrick Genovese -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Yep. Remember, the court doesn't know about Paul, Grace and anything else about the case that we do. All the court knows is: - One child - Two parents - Each parent wants custody It sucks, but at least paul seems to have found a lawyer who's cutting him a break: My friend with the similar case is spending *way* more than six thousand dollars, and his case doesn't cross international borders. it seems to me that, however difficult this particular situation is for Paul and his family, a system that gives everybody access to the law - in spite of some iniquities - is preferable to one that gives access to the law only to rich people. Most modern democracies agree. Regards Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: RE: OT: Wish Me Luck it seems to me that, however difficult this particular situation is for Paul and his family, a system that gives everybody access to the law - in spite of some iniquities - is preferable to one that gives access to the law only to rich people. Most modern democracies agree. I think Paul's complaint, and there is merit to it, is that one party get's to risk bankruptcy while the other party is bankrolled by a relatively bottomless pit of funding, and risks nothing. We have a similar legal aid funding mechanism in Canada. I've often thought that if one party is being funded by legal aid, then that funding should be extended to both parties to ensure financial, as well as legal fairness. On the one hand, legal aid can prevent inequities regarding legal representation, but it can also have exactly the opposite effect by forcing a person to either provide private and limited funding to take on an opponent with unlimited funding or to decide if their desire to seek access to the law is worth financial hardship or ruination to get what they feel is just. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: 26 March 2007 06:29 To: pentax list Subject: Re: OT: Wish Me Luck On 25/3/07, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: Thanks for your prayers, Jack. We might need them. BTW, my rag about the UK doesn't include our great PDML members, including Bob, Mike, Cotty and others. They in fact advised me some time ago in regard to this situation. Actually it doesn't include the legal system of my country either. Personally I think it's pretty darn good, otherwise I wouldn't be living here ;-) if the gentleman (?) in question is Scottish, and living in Scotland, then it's all their fault, and certainly nothing to do with my country either. Scottish law is separate from the law in England and Wales (and probably Northern Ireland too, if there is any law there). Regards, M'learned Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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it seems to me that, however difficult this particular situation is for Paul and his family, a system that gives everybody access to the law - in spite of some iniquities - is preferable to one that gives access to the law only to rich people. Most modern democracies agree. Regards Bob Agreed, but define rich. Access to the law and competent representation in a court of law are two different things (as I'm sure you know). Not commenting on Paul's case, but in the end the differentiation is lost if one has access to the law but justice is not done, either because of an incompetent judge, incompetent jury, incompetent attorney or plain lack of funds to get competent counsel. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I think Paul would appreciate it if we did not turn this into the great debate of legal systems. I also think it took 110% of courage to even go to the lsit about this. Lets give Steady the support the family needs. Dave On 3/26/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it seems to me that, however difficult this particular situation is for Paul and his family, a system that gives everybody access to the law - in spite of some iniquities - is preferable to one that gives access to the law only to rich people. Most modern democracies agree. Regards Bob Agreed, but define rich. Access to the law and competent representation in a court of law are two different things (as I'm sure you know). Not commenting on Paul's case, but in the end the differentiation is lost if one has access to the law but justice is not done, either because of an incompetent judge, incompetent jury, incompetent attorney or plain lack of funds to get competent counsel. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Damn it!! Will be praying for the absolute best outcome. I think we all feel as parents to your beautiful Grace. Jack --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The nightmare had become reality. Late Friday a United States Marshall came to our front door with legal papers served for Grace's father. He's an unemployed alcoholic, part-time drug dealer who lives near Edinburg, Scotland. But like all citizens of the Uk, he's entitled to free legal aid. So when my daughter, who was tired of being beaten and locked in an apartment, fled Scotland with Grace, he sought legal aid. He doesn't really want Grace. He wants to punish my daughter for leaving him. But the UK legal aid system is monstrous. They were able to retain the best law firm in Michigan to represent him. The law firm evidently was able to pull some strings. We weren't served papers until Friday night for a Monday court appearance. The first lawyer my daughter talked to wanted a 20K US retainer just to show up. Luckily, I have some friends in law as well. I eventually found a very aggressive young woman lawyer who will represent us tomorrow. I still have to come up with a six K retainer, but that's better than twenty K. I think the Brits and their social welfare state should go directly to hell. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Good luck to you, Grace and the young Lawyer. -Adam Paul Stenquist wrote: The nightmare had become reality. Late Friday a United States Marshall came to our front door with legal papers served for Grace's father. He's an unemployed alcoholic, part-time drug dealer who lives near Edinburg, Scotland. But like all citizens of the Uk, he's entitled to free legal aid. So when my daughter, who was tired of being beaten and locked in an apartment, fled Scotland with Grace, he sought legal aid. He doesn't really want Grace. He wants to punish my daughter for leaving him. But the UK legal aid system is monstrous. They were able to retain the best law firm in Michigan to represent him. The law firm evidently was able to pull some strings. We weren't served papers until Friday night for a Monday court appearance. The first lawyer my daughter talked to wanted a 20K US retainer just to show up. Luckily, I have some friends in law as well. I eventually found a very aggressive young woman lawyer who will represent us tomorrow. I still have to come up with a six K retainer, but that's better than twenty K. I think the Brits and their social welfare state should go directly to hell. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Thanks for your prayers, Jack. We might need them. BTW, my rag about the UK doesn't include our great PDML members, including Bob, Mike, Cotty and others. They in fact advised me some time ago in regard to this situation. Paul On Mar 25, 2007, at 8:12 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Damn it!! Will be praying for the absolute best outcome. I think we all feel as parents to your beautiful Grace. Jack --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The nightmare had become reality. Late Friday a United States Marshall came to our front door with legal papers served for Grace's father. He's an unemployed alcoholic, part-time drug dealer who lives near Edinburg, Scotland. But like all citizens of the Uk, he's entitled to free legal aid. So when my daughter, who was tired of being beaten and locked in an apartment, fled Scotland with Grace, he sought legal aid. He doesn't really want Grace. He wants to punish my daughter for leaving him. But the UK legal aid system is monstrous. They were able to retain the best law firm in Michigan to represent him. The law firm evidently was able to pull some strings. We weren't served papers until Friday night for a Monday court appearance. The first lawyer my daughter talked to wanted a 20K US retainer just to show up. Luckily, I have some friends in law as well. I eventually found a very aggressive young woman lawyer who will represent us tomorrow. I still have to come up with a six K retainer, but that's better than twenty K. I think the Brits and their social welfare state should go directly to hell. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ __ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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So sorry to hear. I hope you can prevail tomorrow. -- Bruce Sunday, March 25, 2007, 4:51:45 PM, you wrote: PS The nightmare had become reality. Late Friday a United States PS Marshall came to our front door with legal papers served for Grace's PS father. He's an unemployed alcoholic, part-time drug dealer who lives PS near Edinburg, Scotland. But like all citizens of the Uk, he's PS entitled to free legal aid. So when my daughter, who was tired of PS being beaten and locked in an apartment, fled Scotland with Grace, he PS sought legal aid. He doesn't really want Grace. He wants to punish my PS daughter for leaving him. But the UK legal aid system is monstrous. PS They were able to retain the best law firm in Michigan to represent PS him. The law firm evidently was able to pull some strings. We weren't PS served papers until Friday night for a Monday court appearance. The PS first lawyer my daughter talked to wanted a 20K US retainer just to PS show up. Luckily, I have some friends in law as well. I eventually PS found a very aggressive young woman lawyer who will represent us PS tomorrow. I still have to come up with a six K retainer, but that's PS better than twenty K. I think the Brits and their social welfare PS state should go directly to hell. PS Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Thanks Walter. I'm sure we'll prevail, but it might be expensive. Paul On Mar 25, 2007, at 8:00 PM, Walter Hamler wrote: My prayers will be with you tomorrow. Life sucks sometimes! Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: OT: Wish Me Luck Thanks for your prayers, Jack. We might need them. BTW, my rag about the UK doesn't include our great PDML members, including Bob, Mike, Cotty and others. They in fact advised me some time ago in regard to this situation. I sympathize with your frustration, however, while their system may not be serving justice in this case, it does allow for representation based on need rather than ability to pay. The worst system is one in which justice depends on how deep your pockets are rather than who is correct. Good luck with the battle ahead of you. William Robb William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Good luck, Paul. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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In a message dated 3/25/2007 4:51:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The nightmare had become reality. Late Friday a United States Marshall came to our front door with legal papers served for Grace's father. He's an unemployed alcoholic, part-time drug dealer who lives near Edinburg, Scotland. But like all citizens of the Uk, he's entitled to free legal aid. So when my daughter, who was tired of being beaten and locked in an apartment, fled Scotland with Grace, he sought legal aid. He doesn't really want Grace. He wants to punish my daughter for leaving him. But the UK legal aid system is monstrous. They were able to retain the best law firm in Michigan to represent him. The law firm evidently was able to pull some strings. We weren't served papers until Friday night for a Monday court appearance. The first lawyer my daughter talked to wanted a 20K US retainer just to show up. Luckily, I have some friends in law as well. I eventually found a very aggressive young woman lawyer who will represent us tomorrow. I still have to come up with a six K retainer, but that's better than twenty K. I think the Brits and their social welfare state should go directly to hell. Paul == Good luck, Paul, mom, and Grace. Bear in mind, unless there is a good reason for otherwise, usually the mom wins. But good luck none-the-less. Marnie aka Doe ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Best of luck on this, Paul. Any man that beats on a woman should die a slow, painful death. Let's hope our legal system will see this guy for what he is and settle the case in your favor. -P Paul Stenquist wrote: The nightmare had become reality. Late Friday a United States Marshall came to our front door with legal papers served for Grace's father. He's an unemployed alcoholic, part-time drug dealer who lives near Edinburg, Scotland. But like all citizens of the Uk, he's entitled to free legal aid. So when my daughter, who was tired of being beaten and locked in an apartment, fled Scotland with Grace, he sought legal aid. He doesn't really want Grace. He wants to punish my daughter for leaving him. But the UK legal aid system is monstrous. They were able to retain the best law firm in Michigan to represent him. The law firm evidently was able to pull some strings. We weren't served papers until Friday night for a Monday court appearance. The first lawyer my daughter talked to wanted a 20K US retainer just to show up. Luckily, I have some friends in law as well. I eventually found a very aggressive young woman lawyer who will represent us tomorrow. I still have to come up with a six K retainer, but that's better than twenty K. I think the Brits and their social welfare state should go directly to hell. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Good luck with this, Paul. I hope it all goes your way. I'll have to talk to my brother about this when I see him tomorrow. I was wholly unaware that the legal system worked that way in England. He's been a college professor in Durham for the last decade. I'd like to hear his take on this especially now since he's both a British Subject and an American Citizen (or so he says...). -Brendan --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The nightmare had become reality. Late Friday a United States Marshall came to our front door with legal papers served for Grace's father. He's an unemployed alcoholic, part-time drug dealer who lives near Edinburg, Scotland. But like all citizens of the Uk, he's entitled to free legal aid. So when my daughter, who was tired of being beaten and locked in an apartment, fled Scotland with Grace, he sought legal aid. He doesn't really want Grace. He wants to punish my daughter for leaving him. But the UK legal aid system is monstrous. They were able to retain the best law firm in Michigan to represent him. The law firm evidently was able to pull some strings. We weren't served papers until Friday night for a Monday court appearance. The first lawyer my daughter talked to wanted a 20K US retainer just to show up. Luckily, I have some friends in law as well. I eventually found a very aggressive young woman lawyer who will represent us tomorrow. I still have to come up with a six K retainer, but that's better than twenty K. I think the Brits and their social welfare state should go directly to hell. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Hi Paul, Good luck. I hope that you'll get to keep Grace and do so without too much trouble. Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist The nightmare had become reality. Late Friday a United States Marshall came to our front door with legal papers served for Grace's father. He's an unemployed alcoholic, part-time drug dealer who lives near Edinburg, Scotland. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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he can counter sue. On 3/25/07, Jim King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a travesty to make of the legal system! Good luck, and may your lawyer tie them in knots! Regards, Jim BTW, can you recover your legal fees if, as hoped, the judge tosses the case out of court? It seems to me that there should be some penalty for bringing a case without merit. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Paul, I'll be thinking of you and Grace. Neither of you deserves to deal with this. I wish and hope that your lawyer friend will deal with this issue swiftly and painlessly. Boris Paul Stenquist wrote: The nightmare had become reality. Late Friday a United States Marshall came to our front door with legal papers served for Grace's father. He's an unemployed alcoholic, part-time drug dealer who lives near Edinburg, Scotland. But like all citizens of the Uk, he's entitled to free legal aid. So when my daughter, who was tired of being beaten and locked in an apartment, fled Scotland with Grace, he sought legal aid. He doesn't really want Grace. He wants to punish my daughter for leaving him. But the UK legal aid system is monstrous. They were able to retain the best law firm in Michigan to represent him. The law firm evidently was able to pull some strings. We weren't served papers until Friday night for a Monday court appearance. The first lawyer my daughter talked to wanted a 20K US retainer just to show up. Luckily, I have some friends in law as well. I eventually found a very aggressive young woman lawyer who will represent us tomorrow. I still have to come up with a six K retainer, but that's better than twenty K. I think the Brits and their social welfare state should go directly to hell. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 25/3/07, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: Thanks for your prayers, Jack. We might need them. BTW, my rag about the UK doesn't include our great PDML members, including Bob, Mike, Cotty and others. They in fact advised me some time ago in regard to this situation. Actually it doesn't include the legal system of my country either. Personally I think it's pretty darn good, otherwise I wouldn't be living here ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 25/3/07, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: The nightmare had become reality. Late Friday a United States Marshall came to our front door with legal papers served for Grace's father. He's an unemployed alcoholic, part-time drug dealer who lives near Edinburg, Scotland. But like all citizens of the Uk, he's entitled to free legal aid. So when my daughter, who was tired of being beaten and locked in an apartment, fled Scotland with Grace, he sought legal aid. He doesn't really want Grace. He wants to punish my daughter for leaving him. But the UK legal aid system is monstrous. They were able to retain the best law firm in Michigan to represent him. The law firm evidently was able to pull some strings. We weren't served papers until Friday night for a Monday court appearance. The first lawyer my daughter talked to wanted a 20K US retainer just to show up. Luckily, I have some friends in law as well. I eventually found a very aggressive young woman lawyer who will represent us tomorrow. I still have to come up with a six K retainer, but that's better than twenty K. I think the Brits and their social welfare state should go directly to hell. Paul, Of course I wish you and your daughter the best of luck and hopefully common sense will prevail, and I know you're probably tired and emotional, but I have no aspirations to head down into the bowels of the Earth just yet. Our legal aid system is not perfect - far from it - but it does give everyone a fair crack at the legal whip. If what you say is true, and I'm sure it is, then you have nothing to worry about. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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True but easy to screw up, even with poloroid tests, and a PITA when those 4x5 transparencys come back... Doug Franklin wrote: On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:55:49 -0400, Peter J. Alling wrote: Auto parts are tough, especially if they are highly chromed performance parts. Most art directors don't want to see the photographer or his equipment on the product. Light box and geometry. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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- Original Message - From: Peter J. Alling Subject: Re: OT: Wish me Luck True but easy to screw up, even with poloroid tests, and a PITA when those 4x5 transparencys come back... I was shooting 4x5 of some circuit boards for a local fabricator. I had a great set up, everything was happy in relation to everything else, I had focus across the entire set and the lighting was good. The polaroids were gorgeous. So I shot half a dozen chromes and fired them off to the lab. There was, unfortunately, a TDK cassette case that I was using to prop up one of the boards clearly visible. I didn't see it. The AD didn't see it. The client didn't see it. I think quality control in the press shop finally noticed the damn thing. William Robb
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Good luck on this one Frank. I share your desires and understand all the obstacles. Paul On Aug 1, 2004, at 5:12 PM, Juey Chong Ong wrote: On Jul 27, 2004, at 12:37 PM, frank theriault wrote: Wish me luck; I've applied for several non-photography jobs, this is the first photo job I've taken a shot at. Good luck, Frank! --jc
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--- Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Auto parts are tough, especially if they are highly chromed performance parts. Most art directors don't want to see the photographer or his equipment on the product. Why ever not? vbg Besides, dude, it's my style... g -frank = The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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--- Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Frank, I could never give a Photographic reference to someone who might take me seriously, but good luck anyway. That's okay, Peter. I wasn't actually looking for your reference anyway... vbg Seriously, thanks! -frank = The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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Sorry Frank, I could never give a Photographic reference to someone who might take me seriously, but good luck anyway. frank theriault wrote: Just fired off a resume/application to a local firm that's looking for a catalogue photographer (full-time, employee position). Maybe I should have named this list-at-large as a reference vbg. Wish me luck; I've applied for several non-photography jobs, this is the first photo job I've taken a shot at. I read that Elliott Erwitt made his money doing advertising photography, and that his street stuff (for lack of a better word) was what he considered his hobby. In fact, he called his Leica his hobby camera g. Not that I'd dare mention myself in the same breath as Elliott, but if he had to finance his hobby photography with a mundane job, I guess that's good enough for me. Now all I have to do is get the job. Oh well, back to the on-line job search (it's pissing rain today, so it's an indoor day g). cheers, frank = The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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Auto parts are tough, especially if they are highly chromed performance parts. Most art directors don't want to see the photographer or his equipment on the product. frank theriault wrote: --- Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luck! What kind of catalog? Steve( hoping fo a cheap thrill) Well, it can't get more mundane than this: Auto Parts! I'm just trying to figure out how I'll explain to them the concept of creative blurring vbg. What do you mean, you want the whole brake caliper to be in focus? Do you want an edgy catalogue, or what? g cheers, frank = The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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Well we know where that pesky r got to... William Robb wrote: That would be the Strap On tools calender.. WW - Original Message - From: Don Sanderson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 2:26 PM Subject: RE: OT: Wish me Luck Holding a what Don -Original Message- From: Steve Desjardins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 3:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Wish me Luck Actually, some of the auto parts calendars I see in garages feature some fairly spectacular models (holding a wench, of course). Try to convince then to do one of these.
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--- Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well we know where that pesky r got to... ROTFLMAO!! -frank = The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:55:49 -0400, Peter J. Alling wrote: Auto parts are tough, especially if they are highly chromed performance parts. Most art directors don't want to see the photographer or his equipment on the product. Light box and geometry. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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On 27/7/04, frank theriault, discombobulated, offered: Just fired off a resume/application to a local firm that's looking for a catalogue photographer (full-time, employee position). Nice one Frank, best of luck. Use me as a reference any time you like ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
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Luck! What kind of catalog? Steve( hoping fo a cheap thrill)
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--- Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luck! What kind of catalog? Steve( hoping fo a cheap thrill) Well, it can't get more mundane than this: Auto Parts! I'm just trying to figure out how I'll explain to them the concept of creative blurring vbg. What do you mean, you want the whole brake caliper to be in focus? Do you want an edgy catalogue, or what? g cheers, frank = The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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Actually Frank I rather like product photography. It's the only part of preparing auctions that I look forward to. You get to play with lighting, DOF, backgrounds, angles and so on. If I could get all my equipment supplied, and get paid for doing it to boot I'd probably say goodbye to computer repair in a heartbeat! Don -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 1:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Wish me Luck --- Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luck! What kind of catalog? Steve( hoping fo a cheap thrill) Well, it can't get more mundane than this: Auto Parts! I'm just trying to figure out how I'll explain to them the concept of creative blurring vbg. What do you mean, you want the whole brake caliper to be in focus? Do you want an edgy catalogue, or what? g cheers, frank = The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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On 2004-07-27, at 18:37, frank theriault wrote: Just fired off a resume/application to a local firm that's looking for a catalogue photographer (full-time, employee position). Maybe I should have named this list-at-large as a reference vbg. Wish me luck; I've applied for several non-photography jobs, this is the first photo job I've taken a shot at. [...] I keep my fingers crossed for you Frank! I hope you'll find job you were looking for! Give us the report how it went in practice :-) -- Best regards Sylwek
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I'm sending you all of the good vibes that I can Frank. Fingers and toes crossed for you! BTW - OMG, you are all such BOYS!! Wenches, strap (or was it SNAP) ons Get your minds out of the gutter and just wish Frank good luck will you?!? ;-) tan. *the innocent* -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 28 July 2004 6:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OT: Wish me Luck --- Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Holding a what Don One might think that missing r to be a typo. Or, perhaps, a Freudian slip (if such things can happen on a keyboard). However, Don, I've met Steve. It was quite intentional. I chose to ignore it, so as not to encourage him... vbg vbg cheers, frank = The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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--- Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sending you all of the good vibes that I can Frank. Fingers and toes crossed for you! BTW - OMG, you are all such BOYS!! Wenches, strap (or was it SNAP) ons Get your minds out of the gutter and just wish Frank good luck will you?!? Dear Ms. Innocent, You may not be a Tool Girl, so you may not know that Snap On is a very well known high quality tool company. I think they specialize in automotive tools (someone may correct me here). Of course, the Strap On thing, well, that was just disgusting. As a vulgar male, I enjoyed the double entendre, however. vbg Oh yeah, thanks for the good wishes! g cheers, frank = The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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A new one for the FAQ, BWBB. Don -Original Message- From: Tanya Mayer Photography [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 4:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OT: Wish me Luck I'm sending you all of the good vibes that I can Frank. Fingers and toes crossed for you! BTW - OMG, you are all such BOYS!! Wenches, strap (or was it SNAP) ons Get your minds out of the gutter and just wish Frank good luck will you?!? ;-) tan. *the innocent* -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 28 July 2004 6:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OT: Wish me Luck --- Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Holding a what Don One might think that missing r to be a typo. Or, perhaps, a Freudian slip (if such things can happen on a keyboard). However, Don, I've met Steve. It was quite intentional. I chose to ignore it, so as not to encourage him... vbg vbg cheers, frank = The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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On 27/7/04, frank theriault, discombobulated, offered: Well, he's this crazy Englishman who carries around a 25 lb video camera to record news events. What's that got to do with photographing a catalogue? Er, well, not much, I guess. How well do I know him? Um, well, I drank quite a bit of beer with him one weekend back in June. We mostly sat around and made fun of the other camera geeks that were there... LOL Cripes, that's exactly what I was going to write! Print that off and I'll sign it for you Frank... Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
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The Parelli Calender is such a feather in a photographers hat that I would not be suprised to find out that they bid against each other to get the position, I will give you $100 thousand if you let me shoot your calender. I'll give you 150. Etc. -- frank theriault wrote: --- Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, some of the auto parts calendars I see in garages feature some fairly spectacular models (holding a wench, of course). Try to convince then to do one of these. I've already checked with Pirelli. It seems that they don't need any photographers. vbg -frank = The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:37:22 -0400 (EDT), frank theriault wrote: Just fired off a resume/application to a local firm that's looking for a catalogue photographer (full-time, employee position). Best of luck, Frank. If you get it, just don't let it burn you out on photography as art or hobby or whatever. And you _have_ to try some of those blurry shots on them. :-) TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:16:45 -0400, Steve Desjardins wrote: fairly spectacular models (holding a wench, of course). Try to ^ ! TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:31:29 -0600, William Robb wrote: That would be the Strap On tools calender.. !!! ROTFLMAO !!! TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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Steve wrote: Actually, some of the auto parts calendars I see in garages feature some fairly spectacular models (holding a wench, of course). Try to convince then to do one of these. Are you sure it wasn't a wench holding the wrench? Butch
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Hi! ft Just fired off a resume/application to a local firm ft that's looking for a catalogue photographer ft (full-time, employee position). ft Maybe I should have named this list-at-large as a ft reference vbg. ft Wish me luck; I've applied for several ft non-photography jobs, this is the first photo job I've ft taken a shot at. ft I read that Elliott Erwitt made his money doing ft advertising photography, and that his street stuff ft (for lack of a better word) was what he considered his ft hobby. In fact, he called his Leica his hobby ft camera g. ft Not that I'd dare mention myself in the same breath as ft Elliott, but if he had to finance his hobby ft photography with a mundane job, I guess that's good ft enough for me. ft Now all I have to do is get the job. Oh well, back to ft the on-line job search (it's pissing rain today, so ft it's an indoor day g). Frank, you're hereby wished all the luck I can think of from this Middle Eastern spot of the globe. Go for it, man! You can get it. I am sure may PDMLers would agree to give you reference. Me included. As I said - good luck! Boris ([EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED])
