Re: PESO(s) Signs of The Times #1 #2
Thanks for clarifying the situation... Europe is also connected to your crisis and we have problems too but it is not as bad as you have. Merlin On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:45 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, things are worse than they have been. However there are 78 million homeowners in the US. No matter how bad a 1 million foreclosures sounds, it's only 1.5% of the whole. In some cases these are tragedies in some cases just deserts. Some places it's worse than others. Particularly so in the areas where home prices were booming. California is especially hard hit. But then California always seems to go to excess. Yes things are bad, but not nearly as bad as some would have us believe. I find it interesting that government is actually cutting programs in California, most places in such straits they just raise taxes and drive more businesses out. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/30/2008 2:38:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it really that bad in US? Or these paranoia series are just some very well chosen photos to show problems there? Merlin PS: I have never been to US... On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 1:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.mapphotography.com/Paranoia/pages/signs1.htm http://www.mapphotography.com/Paranoia/pages/signs2.htm Comments welcome. === Yes. Approximately 1 million foreclosed on. 27% of that approximately in California. Supposedly 10,000 in my county alone. Latest figures I heard were 10 million unemployed (though it seems hard to believe and I can't swear to that, but figure its several million). Arnold is balancing CA's budget by taking away some benefits from disabled, taking away some teacher's pensions, cutting pensions, closing schools, and removing renters' credit. So CA, in particular, is hard hit. OTOH, newspapers and news magazines, and even TV, I suppose, are not putting faces to the figures (or store fronts to the figures). Not that I can see. It's like everyone is pretending it isn't happening and that everything is going along as normal. Which I find weird. My paranoia series is about more than that. But some of it is just to redress what I DON'T SEE (in media). Later, Marnie - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0002) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO(s) Signs of The Times #1 #2
Yes, things are worse than they have been. However there are 78 million homeowners in the US. No matter how bad a 1 million foreclosures sounds, it's only 1.5% of the whole. In some cases these are tragedies in some cases just deserts. Some places it's worse than others. Particularly so in the areas where home prices were booming. California is especially hard hit. But then California always seems to go to excess. Yes things are bad, but not nearly as bad as some would have us believe. I find it interesting that government is actually cutting programs in California, most places in such straits they just raise taxes and drive more businesses out. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/30/2008 2:38:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it really that bad in US? Or these paranoia series are just some very well chosen photos to show problems there? Merlin PS: I have never been to US... On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 1:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.mapphotography.com/Paranoia/pages/signs1.htm http://www.mapphotography.com/Paranoia/pages/signs2.htm Comments welcome. === Yes. Approximately 1 million foreclosed on. 27% of that approximately in California. Supposedly 10,000 in my county alone. Latest figures I heard were 10 million unemployed (though it seems hard to believe and I can't swear to that, but figure its several million). Arnold is balancing CA's budget by taking away some benefits from disabled, taking away some teacher's pensions, cutting pensions, closing schools, and removing renters' credit. So CA, in particular, is hard hit. OTOH, newspapers and news magazines, and even TV, I suppose, are not putting faces to the figures (or store fronts to the figures). Not that I can see. It's like everyone is pretending it isn't happening and that everything is going along as normal. Which I find weird. My paranoia series is about more than that. But some of it is just to redress what I DON'T SEE (in media). Later, Marnie - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0002) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO(s) Signs of The Times #1 #2
Ouch. Two very PJ style photos. I can easily see them in newspaper or news website, especially #1. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/29/2008 8:52 PM http://www.mapphotography.com/Paranoia/pages/signs1.htm http://www.mapphotography.com/Paranoia/pages/signs2.htm Comments welcome. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0002) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:4931f205264831615127668! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO(s) Signs of The Times #1 #2
Well recorded. Is the second one a Circuit City store? I stopped by one in my neighborhood. They're not exactly giving things away. Prices are still higher than web vendors. Paul On Nov 29, 2008, at 10:52 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.mapphotography.com/Paranoia/pages/signs1.htm http://www.mapphotography.com/Paranoia/pages/signs2.htm Comments welcome. Marnie aka Doe :-) Yup ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO(s) Signs of The Times #1 #2
In a message dated 11/30/2008 6:45:34 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well recorded. Is the second one a Circuit City store? I stopped by one in my neighborhood. They're not exactly giving things away. Prices are still higher than web vendors. Paul = No, different store. I've gone to Circuit City twice, it appears to me that they bumped their prices up before the discounts. You can find the same things other places, cheaper. Thanks for looking. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0002) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO(s) Signs of The Times #1 #2
In a message dated 11/30/2008 5:51:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ouch. Two very PJ style photos. I can easily see them in newspaper or news website, especially #1. = Thanks. What I was aiming for, some straight documentation. I will intersperse other stuff. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0002) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO(s) Signs of The Times #1 #2
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ouch. Two very PJ style photos. I can easily see them in newspaper or news website, especially #1. What Steve said. Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/29/2008 8:52 PM http://www.mapphotography.com/Paranoia/pages/signs1.htm http://www.mapphotography.com/Paranoia/pages/signs2.htm Comments welcome. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0002) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:4931f205264831615127668! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO(s) Signs of The Times #1 #2
In a message dated 11/30/2008 11:02:53 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ouch. Two very PJ style photos. I can easily see them in newspaper or news website, especially #1. What Steve said. Dave = Ditto, Thanks. Marnie - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0002) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO(s) Signs of The Times #1 #2
Is it really that bad in US? Or these paranoia series are just some very well chosen photos to show problems there? Merlin PS: I have never been to US... On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 1:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.mapphotography.com/Paranoia/pages/signs1.htm http://www.mapphotography.com/Paranoia/pages/signs2.htm Comments welcome. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0002) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO(s) Signs of The Times #1 #2
In a message dated 11/30/2008 2:38:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it really that bad in US? Or these paranoia series are just some very well chosen photos to show problems there? Merlin PS: I have never been to US... On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 1:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.mapphotography.com/Paranoia/pages/signs1.htm http://www.mapphotography.com/Paranoia/pages/signs2.htm Comments welcome. === Yes. Approximately 1 million foreclosed on. 27% of that approximately in California. Supposedly 10,000 in my county alone. Latest figures I heard were 10 million unemployed (though it seems hard to believe and I can't swear to that, but figure its several million). Arnold is balancing CA's budget by taking away some benefits from disabled, taking away some teacher's pensions, cutting pensions, closing schools, and removing renters' credit. So CA, in particular, is hard hit. OTOH, newspapers and news magazines, and even TV, I suppose, are not putting faces to the figures (or store fronts to the figures). Not that I can see. It's like everyone is pretending it isn't happening and that everything is going along as normal. Which I find weird. My paranoia series is about more than that. But some of it is just to redress what I DON'T SEE (in media). Later, Marnie - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0002) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO(s) Signs of The Times #1 #2
Merlin, I think the problems are more in California and Florida, where house prices and sales were very high and New York (financials). I live in the middle of the country in Illinois, near Chicago, where home prices and sales were not so ridiculously inflated. The home sales market is slow here, but I would have to search for a home that was posted with a bank forclosure sign. The same is true with commercial real estate (businesses). They have slower sales, but haven't closed (yet???). People are concerned and jobs/employment will tell us what the future holds. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Merlin Who [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it really that bad in US? Or these paranoia series are just some very well chosen photos to show problems there? Merlin PS: I have never been to US... On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 1:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.mapphotography.com/Paranoia/pages/signs1.htm http://www.mapphotography.com/Paranoia/pages/signs2.htm Comments welcome. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0002) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO(s) Signs of The Times #1 #2
In a message dated 11/30/2008 3:19:41 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Merlin, I think the problems are more in California and Florida, where house prices and sales were very high and New York (financials). I live in the middle of the country in Illinois, near Chicago, where home prices and sales were not so ridiculously inflated. The home sales market is slow here, but I would have to search for a home that was posted with a bank forclosure sign. The same is true with commercial real estate (businesses). They have slower sales, but haven't closed (yet???). People are concerned and jobs/employment will tell us what the future holds. Regards, Bob S. == I think Bob is overly optimistic, Merlin. I double checked the statistics, 10 million unemployed is correct. This comes from government figures. The unemployment rate rose by 0.4 percentage point to 6.5 percent in October, and the number of unemployed persons increased by 603,000 to 10.1 million. Over the past 12 months, the number of unemployed persons has increased by 2.8 mil- lion, and the unemployment rate has risen by 1.7 percentage points. That's one heck of a lot of people out of work. Yesterday, when I was taking some pictures, I went into a major department store. Not lower end. To get people to buy they had marked things down by 40-50%. Some real buys there if one wanted them. (I double checked the prices, unlike Circuit City, they really were discounted by that much.) Of course, I think the reason some people don't see it as bad as it really is is because of lack of media coverage. It is increasing all the time, but right now it is still minimal. Later, Marnie :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0002) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO(s) Signs of The Times #1 #2
From: Merlin Who Is it really that bad in US? Or these paranoia series are just some very well chosen photos to show problems there? It's worse some places than it is in others, but yes, it's that bad or soon will be. The housing bubble bursting that precipitated the crisis didn't include commercial real estate - that's got a bubble all its own, and has the same kind of toxic derivatives the home mortgage market produced. But that bubble's getting ready to burst as well. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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