Re: PESO - Modern Convenience?
I believe that is the point - nothing to do with convenience - all to do with not paying a 'sales associate'... -- Best regards, Bruce Thursday, March 19, 2009, 7:00:35 AM, you wrote: ft> I prefer just going to the damned shelf to see if the book's there. ft> Or asking a salesperson - oops, I mean "sales associate"... ft> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/03/modern-convenience.html ft> Comments always welcome. ft> cheers, ft> frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, leaving aside the ongoing evolution (or devolution) of the bookstore... I like the photo. Having the left side blown out nicely hides otherwise distracting detail, and the timing (as the man is touching the screen) is perfect. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Thu, 3/19/09, frank theriault wrote: > From: frank theriault > Subject: PESO - Modern Convenience? > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 10:00 AM > I prefer just going to the damned shelf to see if the > book's there. > Or asking a salesperson - oops, I mean "sales > associate"... > > http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/03/modern-convenience.html > > Comments always welcome. > > cheers, > frank > > > > > > -- > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri > Cartier-Bresson > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 03:28:07PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 12:48 PM, frank theriault > wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > This was taken at one link of Canada's largest chain of booksellers, > > Indigo Books. They're horrible places, not just for what they are, > > but for their predatory practices - many small bookshops have closed > > down due to them. It's getting harder and harder to go into a musty > > old place that ~smells~ of books, because they just aren't around any > > more. > > You mean the predatory practice of stocking a lot of books? Pricing is My friend Amanda had a really nice small bookshop (Valencia Street Books in SF) which went out of business about a year ago. One of the issues is that bookstores, big and small, make most of their money on a small portion of their stock. The big chains can sell the best sellers for much less than the small shops can. So people looking for the bestsellers would go to the big stores, and then wonder why the small shops that carried a more eclectic selection of other books went out of business. To bring this back on topic, we could compare what is happening with bookstores to what is happening with camera stores. It's not a big problem if you're happy buying things online, and don't mind not being able to try something that isn't a best seller (or Canikon) before you buy it. -- The fastest way to get your question answered on the net is to post the wrong answer. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > That Chapter's location predated the merger. It was closed down > because it was around the corner from the flagship Indigo location at > Bay & Bloor. In fact it had been opened in the first place to compete > with the Indigo location. The location predated the merger, you're right. And yes, it was closed down (I'm sure) because it was right around the corner from Indigo's flagship store in the Manulife Centre. I merely mention that it closed quite soon after the ma and pa did as ironic more than anything else. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:17 PM, frank theriault wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > >> You mean the predatory practice of stocking a lot of books? Pricing is >> not set by the bookstores but rather by publishers so predatory >> pricing isn't an issue. Most of the small shops that have gone under >> went under because they provided poor service and selection. And many >> of the 'small bookstores' were Coles and Smithbooks anyways, which are >> part of Indigo. This is often the real reason big box stores kill off >> smaller stores, the smaller stores were providing poor service & >> selection (and in other industries, typically poor pricing as well). > > No, it's more than that. It's opening mega stores right around the > corner from small bookshops, knowing they'll grind them out of > business. Remember the little bookstore on the east side of Yonge > just north of Bloor? Was it called Britnells? It was an upscale > bookseller that had been in that same location for decades. It closed > a year or two after the Indigos opened and Bay and Bloor and the > Chapters opened at Bloor and Avenue. As you know, Chapters was bought > out by Indigos and was owned by them at the time Britnell's (or > whatever it's name was) closed. Yep, it's hard to compete with better selection. Small bookstores did end up closing often enough. But they closed because they provided an inferior experience (less selection, often poor service). I seriously doubt Chapters/Indigo even looked for small stores before picking their locations. Yorkville is a bloody obvious place for a large bookstore. > > Do you remember the store right across the street from Britnell's? It > was called Chapters. It was a family owned new and used book shop. > It had been called Chapters at least 10 years ~prior~ to the Chapters > megastore chain coming into existence. Chapters (by then owned by > Indigo) took the ma and pa store to court and somehow got a court > order forcing the smaller store to change their name (going against > everything I know about that part of the law - I guess expensive > lawyers really are worth the money). Ma and pa changed the name but > went out of business about 6 months later - the cost of the lawsuit > did them in. Yep, That's typical Reismann. Not shocked by them playing dirty pool on this (I'm very not fond of the Reismann's). But it's an atypical occurrence overall. > > Then, shortly after ma and pa closed, Indigos closed the Chapters at > Bloor and Avenue... > > Not predatory? Bullshit! > > cheers, > frank > That Chapter's location predated the merger. It was closed down because it was around the corner from the flagship Indigo location at Bay & Bloor. In fact it had been opened in the first place to compete with the Indigo location. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 19, 2009, at 15:17, frank theriault wrote: Do you remember the store right across the street from Britnell's? It was called Chapters. It was a family owned new and used book shop. It had been called Chapters at least 10 years ~prior~ to the Chapters megastore chain coming into existence. Chapters (by then owned by Indigo) took the ma and pa store to court and somehow got a court order forcing the smaller store to change their name (going against everything I know about that part of the law - I guess expensive lawyers really are worth the money). Ma and pa changed the name but went out of business about 6 months later - the cost of the lawsuit did them in. We had a similar experience with the Amazon Bookstore here in Minneapolis. They'd been around since 1970... then this upstart company shows up online using the Amazon name. Our little store sued 'em (in 1999) - and won! :-) Sadly, or neighborhood store has recently changed ownership and along with that they lost the right to keep using the Amazon name. :-( But it was fun while it lasted. Still nice to have it in the neighborhood, but don't know how long they'll survive in this era of warehouse bookstores! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > You mean the predatory practice of stocking a lot of books? Pricing is > not set by the bookstores but rather by publishers so predatory > pricing isn't an issue. Most of the small shops that have gone under > went under because they provided poor service and selection. And many > of the 'small bookstores' were Coles and Smithbooks anyways, which are > part of Indigo. This is often the real reason big box stores kill off > smaller stores, the smaller stores were providing poor service & > selection (and in other industries, typically poor pricing as well). No, it's more than that. It's opening mega stores right around the corner from small bookshops, knowing they'll grind them out of business. Remember the little bookstore on the east side of Yonge just north of Bloor? Was it called Britnells? It was an upscale bookseller that had been in that same location for decades. It closed a year or two after the Indigos opened and Bay and Bloor and the Chapters opened at Bloor and Avenue. As you know, Chapters was bought out by Indigos and was owned by them at the time Britnell's (or whatever it's name was) closed. Do you remember the store right across the street from Britnell's? It was called Chapters. It was a family owned new and used book shop. It had been called Chapters at least 10 years ~prior~ to the Chapters megastore chain coming into existence. Chapters (by then owned by Indigo) took the ma and pa store to court and somehow got a court order forcing the smaller store to change their name (going against everything I know about that part of the law - I guess expensive lawyers really are worth the money). Ma and pa changed the name but went out of business about 6 months later - the cost of the lawsuit did them in. Then, shortly after ma and pa closed, Indigos closed the Chapters at Bloor and Avenue... Not predatory? Bullshit! cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 19, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Bob W wrote: In most of the big book shops around here, finding where in hell they put a particular class of titles is incredibly time consuming. That's what the great big sign labelled Store Directory is for. The Store Directory map is only useful once you've discovered how the store has categorized a given title so that you know what section of the store it might be found in, Bob. While the category for some sorts of books is pretty easy to figure out, for other books it can be remarkably obscure. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> > > > http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/03/modern-convenience.html > > In most of the big book shops around here, finding where in > hell they > put a particular class of titles is incredibly time > consuming. That's what the great big sign labelled Store Directory is for. [...] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> >> I prefer just going to the damned shelf to see if the book's there. > >> Or asking a salesperson - oops, I mean "sales associate"... > >> > >> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/03/modern-convenience.html > >> > >> Comments always welcome. > > > > Your salespeople/associates know where stuff is??? Wow, I > must visit your > > bookstores some time! > > How silly of me. Of course they don't know where stuff is. As > Godfrey says, they'll likely just look the damned thing up in the > computer that I just checked moments before. > > cheers, > frank The major chain in the UK is Waterstones. They use those things to tell you whether the book is in stock at another branch, not to tell you where in this particular branch the book is - that's what the big sign tells you. I've found them quite convenient - if I can't find the book on the shelf at the branch I'm in, I can check. If computer says 'No' then I don't bother schlepping over to the next branch. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > >> ... Pricing is not set by the bookstores but rather by publishers ... > > That's not correct, at least not today. Maybe it was in the past. > > Nowadays, the bookstore chains collaborate with the volume distributors on > pricing, they set the terms for pricing, delivery and return of merchandise. > Between the them, they hold publishers and authors at ransom. Small > bookstores often cannot even carry merchandise from a variety of publishers > due to contractual obligations between the publishers and distributors, > driven by the relationship with large bookstore chains. > > At the workshop I attended in November, we talked about this to great > length. The book business, and particularly for photography books, is a > really sucky and difficult game to succeed at as an author or small > bookstore. The whole game is weighted to the success of the large bookstore > chain and volume distributor. > > Godfrey > > Note that in most cases the Volume Distributors _ARE_ publishers who also distribute for the smaller houses. The big publishers are the major power here, the big US chains have a lot of influence due to volume but the driving force is the publishers (who are not as beholden to the chains as the chains are to the publishers, courtesy of Amazon). The major influence the chains have is in their choices of what to stock rather than in pricing. As a long-time regular over at Baen's Bar (the webforum for Baen Books, a major SF&F publisher) I've gotten a lot of information over the years on how the publishing industry works for a mid-level house (Baen is the largest privately-owned publisher of fiction in the US) -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 19, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Adam Maas wrote: ... Pricing is not set by the bookstores but rather by publishers ... That's not correct, at least not today. Maybe it was in the past. Nowadays, the bookstore chains collaborate with the volume distributors on pricing, they set the terms for pricing, delivery and return of merchandise. Between the them, they hold publishers and authors at ransom. Small bookstores often cannot even carry merchandise from a variety of publishers due to contractual obligations between the publishers and distributors, driven by the relationship with large bookstore chains. At the workshop I attended in November, we talked about this to great length. The book business, and particularly for photography books, is a really sucky and difficult game to succeed at as an author or small bookstore. The whole game is weighted to the success of the large bookstore chain and volume distributor. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 12:48 PM, frank theriault wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > >> >> In most of the big book shops around here, finding where in hell they put a >> particular class of titles is incredibly time consuming. If I go to the >> information desk and wait for a salesdroid to come by and provide >> assistance, all they're going to do is look at the same inventory computer >> screen that I look at and tell me whether "RQ-V11.24-FR_T" is in inventory, >> then look up with the same tool where in the store it *might* be, and walk >> me there. >> >> If I go directly to the computer, I do the same thing in half the time. >> >> Small bookshops ... a completely different world. ;-) > > This was taken at one link of Canada's largest chain of booksellers, > Indigo Books. They're horrible places, not just for what they are, > but for their predatory practices - many small bookshops have closed > down due to them. It's getting harder and harder to go into a musty > old place that ~smells~ of books, because they just aren't around any > more. You mean the predatory practice of stocking a lot of books? Pricing is not set by the bookstores but rather by publishers so predatory pricing isn't an issue. Most of the small shops that have gone under went under because they provided poor service and selection. And many of the 'small bookstores' were Coles and Smithbooks anyways, which are part of Indigo. This is often the real reason big box stores kill off smaller stores, the smaller stores were providing poor service & selection (and in other industries, typically poor pricing as well). > > The thing that gets me about these computerized inventory thingies is > that when they say the book is out of stock, I end up going to the > shelves to check anyway - and sometimes find a copy! If they say > there ~is~ a copy, I go to the shelves. What it's come down to is > that I go to the shelves first one way or t'other; it saves a step > that way. > > cheers, > frank > Stock lists are never 100% accurate. It's just 'what we think we shipped minus what we think we sold'. Generally it runs behind on returns. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I go to the big bookstores to browse most of the time. Also to see what's new on the shelves, both in books and in periodicals. Sadly, they've learned the "impulse purchase" way now and often sprinkle new titles all over the place so you can't go to any familiar location and find the new stuff, you have to traverse the whole friggin' store. And it makes things harder to find when you do go in for a specific thing ... at which point, looking up the title/author on the computer and the map to where it *might* be in the store, regardless of the inventory listing, saves a lot of time and energy over finding the salesdroid and having them look for it for you. *Might* be reflects the ambiguity of their inventory listings. ;-) Small bookstores are much nicer, more enjoyable places to stop in, look about, chat with the owner or sales people, enjoy the smell and feel of Literature In The Flesh. But they're sadly becoming rare. G On Mar 19, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Ken Waller wrote: My thoughts entirely, Godfrey. With the size of the chain bookstores, you could spend a lot of time looking for a particular book. Now if you're browsing, that's fine. When I go to a bookstore I already know what I want & just want to get it & get out. It would be different if they all adhered to some sort of standardized layout. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My thoughts entirely, Godfrey. With the size of the chain bookstores, you could spend a lot of time looking for a particular book. Now if you're browsing, that's fine. When I go to a bookstore I already know what I want & just want to get it & get out. It would be different if they all adhered to some sort of standardized layout. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: PESO - Modern Convenience? On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:00 AM, frank theriault wrote: I prefer just going to the damned shelf to see if the book's there. Or asking a salesperson - oops, I mean "sales associate"... http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/03/modern-convenience.html In most of the big book shops around here, finding where in hell they put a particular class of titles is incredibly time consuming. If I go to the information desk and wait for a salesdroid to come by and provide assistance, all they're going to do is look at the same inventory computer screen that I look at and tell me whether "RQ- V11.24-FR_T" is in inventory, then look up with the same tool where in the store it *might* be, and walk me there. If I go directly to the computer, I do the same thing in half the time. Small bookshops ... a completely different world. ;-) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > frank theriault wrote: >> >> I prefer just going to the damned shelf to see if the book's there. >> Or asking a salesperson - oops, I mean "sales associate"... >> >> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/03/modern-convenience.html >> >> Comments always welcome. > > Your salespeople/associates know where stuff is??? Wow, I must visit your > bookstores some time! How silly of me. Of course they don't know where stuff is. As Godfrey says, they'll likely just look the damned thing up in the computer that I just checked moments before. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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frank theriault wrote: I prefer just going to the damned shelf to see if the book's there. Or asking a salesperson - oops, I mean "sales associate"... http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/03/modern-convenience.html Comments always welcome. Your salespeople/associates know where stuff is??? Wow, I must visit your bookstores some time! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 3/19/2009 7:51:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, knarftheria...@gmail.com writes: prefer just going to the damned shelf to see if the book's there. Or asking a salesperson - oops, I mean "sales associate"... http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/03/modern-convenience.html Comments always welcome. cheers, frank === Yes. To me it just seems a way to do away with sales people. And it's not more convenient. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0002) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > In most of the big book shops around here, finding where in hell they put a > particular class of titles is incredibly time consuming. If I go to the > information desk and wait for a salesdroid to come by and provide > assistance, all they're going to do is look at the same inventory computer > screen that I look at and tell me whether "RQ-V11.24-FR_T" is in inventory, > then look up with the same tool where in the store it *might* be, and walk > me there. > > If I go directly to the computer, I do the same thing in half the time. > > Small bookshops ... a completely different world. ;-) This was taken at one link of Canada's largest chain of booksellers, Indigo Books. They're horrible places, not just for what they are, but for their predatory practices - many small bookshops have closed down due to them. It's getting harder and harder to go into a musty old place that ~smells~ of books, because they just aren't around any more. The thing that gets me about these computerized inventory thingies is that when they say the book is out of stock, I end up going to the shelves to check anyway - and sometimes find a copy! If they say there ~is~ a copy, I go to the shelves. What it's come down to is that I go to the shelves first one way or t'other; it saves a step that way. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:00 AM, frank theriault wrote: I prefer just going to the damned shelf to see if the book's there. Or asking a salesperson - oops, I mean "sales associate"... http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/03/modern-convenience.html In most of the big book shops around here, finding where in hell they put a particular class of titles is incredibly time consuming. If I go to the information desk and wait for a salesdroid to come by and provide assistance, all they're going to do is look at the same inventory computer screen that I look at and tell me whether "RQ- V11.24-FR_T" is in inventory, then look up with the same tool where in the store it *might* be, and walk me there. If I go directly to the computer, I do the same thing in half the time. Small bookshops ... a completely different world. ;-) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Point well taken. Did ya find it? Jack --- On Thu, 3/19/09, frank theriault wrote: > From: frank theriault > Subject: PESO - Modern Convenience? > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 7:00 AM > I prefer just going to the damned shelf to see if the > book's there. > Or asking a salesperson - oops, I mean "sales > associate"... > > http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/03/modern-convenience.html > > Comments always welcome. > > cheers, > frank > > > > > > -- > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri > Cartier-Bresson > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I can never find what i want using those things. I ask.:-0 Dave On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:00 AM, frank theriault wrote: > I prefer just going to the damned shelf to see if the book's there. > Or asking a salesperson - oops, I mean "sales associate"... > > http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/03/modern-convenience.html > > Comments always welcome. > > cheers, > frank > > > > > > -- > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
