Re: Sports photographer mentality?
Also if you only take one shot of a given scene/situation, that becomes your best shot. Having the ability to choose among several variations of the same shot is sure to improve your photography. Ken Waller - Original Message - From: Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 11:57 PM Subject: RE: Sports photographer mentality? I think bracketing just means starting with a basic idea, and then hedging it a bit. So you set your exposure, but then shoot one over and one under exposed. Or you figure where to set the focal plain to get every thing in focus, and then you shift it a little forward and a little back, in case you miscalculated. - MCC At 10:02 PM 8/22/01 -0400, Amita wrote: I bracket like hell - exposure, focus, DOF, even composition, and shoot with some intent. I'm glad you brought this up, Mark. I've been trying to figure out what bracketing was. Does it mean that you take your time setting up your shot and making sure your settings and composition are right before you shoot? - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Sports photographer mentality?
Richard Klein wrote: How do you keep track of all the settings you took various pictures at? Do you have a data back or carry a notebook with you? I have a very small digital voice recorder that I take along when I think I need to record that kind of info, or when I'm traveling and want to remember exactly where I took that shot, especially something like an architectural detail. It's the size of a credit card, and only a bit thicker. Made by panasonic and others. Dan -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Sports photographer mentality?
Metz 60CT series flashes also have a motor drive setting that keeps up at 5fps, but not with as much grunt as a Norman I'd guess. Mine will deliver 7 metres at f2 with ISO400 at the normal reflector setting. According to the Mecamat 60-30 sensor that's about equal to 1/64 power. In theory 1/32 should recycle in under 0.2sec but that assumes the capacitor's recharge curve is a straight line, and it probably isn't. FWIW I got my 60CT-1 in the early '80s when they were new to the market, and for a long time (perhaps still?) Metz 60s were regarded as THE handle mount flashgun to have when power and auto-exposure both mattered. And it didn't hurt that owners of 45CT-*s would turn green with envy when you could just keep hitting the shutter release with nary a care for recycling times. But my prime reason for getting a brute flashgun was to achieve daylight fill flash over a reasonable distance at the modest x-synch of older FP shutters. I suspect it is cheaper to increase the power of the flashgun than it is to make fast X-synching FP shutters, but for better or worse the manufacturers have decided to throw OUR money down the latter road. Perhaps it is more profitable for them to value-add the camera than it is to value-add their flashguns, or risk letting a 3rd party manufacturer like Metz or Braun or Sunpak take the sale (and profit) from them. Regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: Robert Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, Tom I'm busted. I spoke out of school on that one. Never used a big-ol Norman, my flame thrower flash is a Sunpak 622 and since I usually shoot 400 speed film at F5.6 on football games, it takes about a second to recharge. ... Like to make a small wager? A Norman 200B at 1/4 power will. But you give up all automation with that. - --graywolf Robert Payne wrote: no flash can keep up with a 4+ fps motordrive, - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Sports photographer mentality?
[In response to various musings on motordrives.] In his book 'Down Under', Bill Bryson (American travel writer better known in Britain than in the US) comments on a magazine photographer doing the same thing when taking pictures of him, although he was sitting still at the time. I'm beginning to understand why, though. In trying to take pictures of my infant son, I've discovered that I need to take an awful lot of frames to capture that expression that he seems to wear all the time when I'm not pointing a lens at him. In fact, you could argue that informal portraiture is a far better application of the 'motordrive' technique than sport. To generalize, a sports photographer is aiming to freeze one Key Moment - the athlete at the top of her leap, the ball hitting the bat - and a motordrive is as likely to give him a moment either side of that Moment as the Moment itself. The only sure way to get results is through intimate knowledge of both the sport and the equipment, expert timing and a little luck. (This may be why I'm not a sports photographer.) The portrait photographer, on the other hand, has to cope with his subject blinking, scratching, being distracted, all with no predictable pattern, so a motordrive at least gives him a reasonable chance of getting what he wants. Perhaps the Leicaphiles out there have their own views on this - any thoughts? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Sports photographer mentality?
How do you keep track of all the settings you took various pictures at? Do you have a data back or carry a notebook with you? -Rich Frank Theriault wrote: Nope. (I'm sure someone will correct/expand on what I'm about to say) As far as I'm aware, it means taking the proper setting (or at least what your camera/light meter says they should be), shooting those, and then taking shots at higher and lower settings, to see how those differences turn out. For instance, if the correct aperture is f8, you shoot at that opening, then at f5.6 and at f11. Similarly, if the indicated shutter speed is 1/125, you bracket at 1/60th and 250. If you really get into it, you can also shoot two stops or speeds over and under. Any comments? regards, frank Amita Guha wrote: I'm glad you brought this up, Mark. I've been trying to figure out what bracketing was. Does it mean that you take your time setting up your shot and making sure your settings and composition are right before you shoot? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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I still think there is a big difference between shooting a few frames at the moment of truth and just aiming and firing and hope you get something Just my opinion Dave Begin Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:24:51 +0100 (BST) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sports photographer mentality? [In response to various musings on motordrives.] In his book 'Down Under', Bill Bryson (American travel writer better known in Britain than in the US) comments on a magazine photographer doing the same thing when taking pictures of him, although he was sitting still at the time. I'm beginning to understand why, though. In trying to take pictures of my infant son, I've discovered that I need to take an awful lot of frames to capture that expression that he seems to wear all the time when I'm not pointing a lens at him. In fact, you could argue that informal portraiture is a far better application of the 'motordrive' technique than sport. To generalize, a sports photographer is aiming to freeze one Key Moment - the athlete at the top of her leap, the ball hitting the bat - and a motordrive is as likely to give him a moment either side of that Moment as the Moment itself. The only sure way to get results is through intimate knowledge of both the sport and the equipment, expert timing and a little luck. (This may be why I'm not a sports photographer.) The portrait photographer, on the other hand, has to cope with his subject blinking, scratching, being distracted, all with no predictable pattern, so a motordrive at least gives him a reasonable chance of getting what he wants. Perhaps the Leicaphiles out there have their own views on this - any thoughts? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ont Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Cesar Matamoros wrote about the Sports photographer mentality... I usually take photographs for a local triathlon. I tend to take pictures showing crowds, advertising, and the like. This year, due to nepotism, I was ´relieved´ of my duties.. In a similar vein (sort of), for the past several years, I've worked security for the World Championship Saddlebred Horse Show, held in my home town (some of the workers, like me, work on a volunteer basis to earn money for charities, with the pay going directly to the charity.) It's a week-long affair, with a lot of very rich and famous horsemen and women from all over the world. Security's job is to ensure that only people with the proper credentials (trainers, grooms, and press) are allowed access to the ring around the show ring, and that they do not take food, drink, pets, etc. down to the ring. I've met and spoken with several photographers in the horse business, some were very interested in seeing the MZ-S, even though most were using Nikon or Canon. I usually start the conversation by joking with them that their camera brand is not on the accepted equipment list. I've yet to make an attempt to work with them. From our conversations it appears that most have a very full time job. I'm too close to full retirement benefits in this job. Last night I stopped a lady going to the ring with a mixed drink. She proceeded to inform me that no one could expect her to stand in the press box all night and take photos of those horses all night without some alcohol to get her through the ordeal. I hadn't even noticed the camera. Sure enough, she had a press pin, but wasn't dressed like most of the press row photogs. She was dressed like most of the spectators/owners, like going to a very formal party. I told her that in my experience alcohol and photography didn't mix very well, since my focusing ability drops proportionately to the amount of alcohol consumed. That started a long discussion. She proceeded to tell me that she had been given the job of photographing several horse shows for a trade magazine and she was on her fourth camera. The magazine had assured her that she couldn't break this one since she had killed the first three. She wasn't worried about focusing, The camera does that. Then she proceeded to show me the cute little icons that selected the camera functions. When I finally noticed the camera, it was a Minolta Maxxum QTS1 or QSTi, which appeared to be an entry level auto-focus SLR, with a definite consumer grade zoom. Sure enough, she was traveling to the most important horse shows all across the United States with her publisher/editor and taking photos of competitions. She only needed 4 or 5 photos of each show for the magazine, and knew which classes, horses, and riders would be most interesting to her magazine's audience. Here was a lady with a great part-time job, and she apparently wasn't interested it doing a good job and apparently had little skill to offer. It's amazing to me how many of the wrong people get the good jobs. I probably need to send her magazine some examples of what a good camera and operator can do. But then again, as in Cesar's case, maybe I'd be fighting nepotism. Sorry, just needed to vent my ire. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Sports photographer mentality?
Like to make a small wager? A Norman 200B at 1/4 power will. But you give up all automation with that. --graywolf Robert Payne wrote: no flash can keep up with a 4+ fps motordrive, -- Tom Graywolf Rittenhouse Graywolf Photo, Charlotte, NC, USA -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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I once knew a photographer who did that. He'd take 6-8 essensually identicale shots and send each to a different market. He often got multiple sales by doing that. An to make it even more interesting he claimed he told the customers that he had submitted slides that were taken only a few seconds apart to over markets, didn't seem to hurt his sales. --graywolf William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Jostein Øksne Subject: Re: Re: Sports photographer mentality? I know a couple of landscape photographers that also make three or four identical shots once they put their hand on the release button. Their argument is that one goes into their personal archive for backup, one is reserved for making enlargements, and one just in case. Those who deliver to agencies, usually take one more than that. Count me in as one of those. I always shoot at least 2 sheets of any given subject, and quite often 4. This gives me some insurance against dust on the film, or a scratch from loading or unloading the film holder. It also gives me a couple of extra frames to alter the development if I decide that I don't agree with the development decisions I made when I shot the picture. William Robb -- Tom Graywolf Rittenhouse Graywolf Photo, Charlotte, NC, USA -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Sports photographer mentality?
It makes a lot of sense to do your dupe slides at the same time you shoot the original too. The quality is better that way. William Robb - Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 11:04 AM Subject: Re: Sports photographer mentality? I once knew a photographer who did that. He'd take 6-8 essensually identicale shots and send each to a different market. He often got multiple sales by doing that. An to make it even more interesting he claimed he told the customers that he had submitted slides that were taken only a few seconds apart to over markets, didn't seem to hurt his sales. --graywolf - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Sports photographer mentality?
Yeah, Metz can keep up if you reduce power so the battery can handle it. I've shot some bursts off with the CT45/4 that worked pretty darned well. The Nikon SB28 and the AF500FTZ should be able to do it with a Quantum battery, too. I haven't tried any of that with my AF500FTZ but I will try it just to confirm it works. Len --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of graywolf Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 11:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sports photographer mentality? Like to make a small wager? A Norman 200B at 1/4 power will. But you give up all automation with that. --graywolf Robert Payne wrote: no flash can keep up with a 4+ fps motordrive, -- Tom Graywolf Rittenhouse Graywolf Photo, Charlotte, NC, USA -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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They are called in camera dupes. Ken Waller - Original Message - From: Jostein Øksne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 11:03 AM Subject: Re: Re: Sports photographer mentality? I know a couple of landscape photographers that also make three or four identical shots once they put their hand on the release button. Their argument is that one goes into their personal archive for backup, one is reserved for making enlargements, and one just in case. Those who deliver to agencies, usually take one more than that. Jostein - Original Message - From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 4:03 PM Subject: Re: Re: Sports photographer mentality? I still think there is a big difference between shooting a few frames at the moment of truth and just aiming and firing and hope you get something Just my opinion Dave Begin Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:24:51 +0100 (BST) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sports photographer mentality? [In response to various musings on motordrives.] In his book 'Down Under', Bill Bryson (American travel writer better known in Britain than in the US) comments on a magazine photographer doing the same thing when taking pictures of him, although he was sitting still at the time. I'm beginning to understand why, though. In trying to take pictures of my infant son, I've discovered that I need to take an awful lot of frames to capture that expression that he seems to wear all the time when I'm not pointing a lens at him. In fact, you could argue that informal portraiture is a far better application of the 'motordrive' technique than sport. To generalize, a sports photographer is aiming to freeze one Key Moment - the athlete at the top of her leap, the ball hitting the bat - and a motordrive is as likely to give him a moment either side of that Moment as the Moment itself. The only sure way to get results is through intimate knowledge of both the sport and the equipment, expert timing and a little luck. (This may be why I'm not a sports photographer.) The portrait photographer, on the other hand, has to cope with his subject blinking, scratching, being distracted, all with no predictable pattern, so a motordrive at least gives him a reasonable chance of getting what he wants. Perhaps the Leicaphiles out there have their own views on this - any thoughts? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ont Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Sports photographer mentality?
I would think the Sunpak with the external 510V or 510V nicad pack would do it to at least as well when you dial down the power. Of course, if you need the maximum available power you are kind of stuck. The Normans only recycle in a second on 200W/S. --graywolf Robert Payne wrote: OK, Tom I'm busted. I spoke out of school on that one. Never used a big-ol Norman, my flame thrower flash is a Sunpak 622 and since I usually shoot 400 speed film at F5.6 on football games, it takes about a second to recharge. ... Like to make a small wager? A Norman 200B at 1/4 power will. But you give up all automation with that. - --graywolf Robert Payne wrote: no flash can keep up with a 4+ fps motordrive, - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- Tom Graywolf Rittenhouse Graywolf Photo, Charlotte, NC, USA -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I really hope some day to be a kung-fu photographer who unerringly shoots 37 exposures per roll with 37 keepers, but for now am content to be a grasshopper jumping from setting to setting. Mark, Now that sure conjures up a mental image... Bob S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Hi Cesar. As you may already be aware,i shot mostly equine events and i too like to set up for 1-2 optimal shots not a set of rapid fire pictures.Were is the fun or skill in that???If you have a dark room i supose you can develop and shose which ones go on the contact sheet but i dont,each pic costs me at the lab.I view photography as an art form,as i'm sure most of the list does to,so when i shoot its to hopefully get an image people will enjoy. I now have a D1 i use at some events to sell on site pictures and i noticed a new company shooting a show last week.The one shooter sat on a hill and did the same thing,hold in the shutter and shoot.Most of her shots were to early or late over the jumps or caught the ass end over the jump and i heard many people comment that my work was a lot better,will you be doing the next show instead of these people.It took me over a year to get my timing down and never would if i shot like that. Rant over Thanks Dave Begin Original Message From: Matamoros, Cesar A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:24:06 -0400 To: 'Pentax' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Sports photographer mentality? Anyhow, the one thing that I noticed - as did the squadron photographer I showed them to and two non-photographers, was that the photographer was burning film. It amazed me that he took four to six consecutive shots (mash down the shutter release button) of people standing over timing chips, inspecting their bicycle, making a transaction in the sports expo. On the other hand, I would see an interesting shot in my mind and then take one maybe two shots when I thought the moment to be right. Is his style attributable to a sports photography mindset perhaps? Not being in the profession, nor having talked to many who are I figured I would tap the vast knowledge of the list. Thank you for your time, César Matamoros II Panama City, Florida - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ont Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Sports photographer mentality?
I don't disagree with you, David. Pointing a camera with an 8 or 12 frame auto winder at a moving object at a sporting event, and trusting that you'll get a few good shots may not be art, or fun. Anyone who's looked at PUG over the last few months will see that over the years I've shot a few moving bikes and cars, all with an old manual body (and I'm sure it shows!). I'm quite content with the results that I've gotten by trying to capture shots in that matter - not that I'm any good at it or anything. OTOH, were I a pro (I shudder to use that word!), I'd be out there shooting the most frames I could per second, with a bulk film holder, etc, etc. When ya gotta make a living at it, and ya gotta get a shot that's publishable... regards, frank David J Brooks wrote: Hi Cesar. As you may already be aware,i shot mostly equine events and i too like to set up for 1-2 optimal shots not a set of rapid fire pictures.Were is the fun or skill in that???If you have a dark room i supose you can develop and shose which ones go on the contact sheet but i dont,each pic costs me at the lab.I view photography as an art form,as i'm sure most of the list does to,so when i shoot its to hopefully get an image people will enjoy. I now have a D1 i use at some events to sell on site pictures and i noticed a new company shooting a show last week.The one shooter sat on a hill and did the same thing,hold in the shutter and shoot.Most of her shots were to early or late over the jumps or caught the ass end over the jump and i heard many people comment that my work was a lot better,will you be doing the next show instead of these people.It took me over a year to get my timing down and never would if i shot like that. Rant over Thanks Dave - -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Sports photographer mentality?
Burning film is not an indication of his photog qualifications or lack thereof. Most of us are aware that some of the finest photographers on this planet burn a lot of film on assignment. National Geographic photographers are noted for taking hundreds-thousands of frames for a 6-10 page layout. DG At 03:24 PM 8/21/01 -0400, you wrote: I usually take photographs for a local triathlon. I tend to take pictures showing crowds, advertising, and the like. This year, due to nepotism, I was ´relieved´ of my duties. I asked for and received a contact sheet of the photos he took. I believe him to be a sports photographer due to things mentioned to me, I was never introduced to him. The main reason I asked for the photos was because during the swim start he positioned himself looking into the sun while all the rest of the photographers had the sun somewhat behind us. I wanted to see the outcome of these shots. They were not in the bunch I saw. Anyhow, the one thing that I noticed - as did the squadron photographer I showed them to and two non-photographers, was that the photographer was burning film. It amazed me that he took four to six consecutive shots (mash down the shutter release button) of people standing over timing chips, inspecting their bicycle, making a transaction in the sports expo. On the other hand, I would see an interesting shot in my mind and then take one maybe two shots when I thought the moment to be right. Is his style attributable to a sports photography mindset perhaps? Not being in the profession, nor having talked to many who are I figured I would tap the vast knowledge of the list. Thank you for your time, César Matamoros II Panama City, Florida - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
