Re: Street photography - religious objections (now NationalGeographic)
i know Frank, and the Frank I know doesn't really suck. Paul On Sep 27, 2006, at 8:31 PM, graywolf wrote: > Ya, Frank, reality sucks. > > (Sorry somehow it seems like using term like Hoovers, would lose > some of > the impact, besides that would be unfair to Eureka > > -- > graywolf > http://www.graywolfphoto.com > http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf > "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" > --- > > > frank theriault wrote: >> On 9/27/06, keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Paul Stenquist wrote: On Sep 26, 2006, at 6:56 PM, William Robb wrote: > The more education one recieves, the more likely one is to > aquire a > socialist bent? >>> The more removed from reality one might be, the more likely one is to acquire a socialist bent. >>> Yes...I like that observation. >>> >> >> I've always had problems with reality... >> >> -frank the pinko... >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Street photography - religious objections (now NationalGeographic)
Bill borrowed a word from Doug.:-) On Sep 27, 2006, at 8:18 PM, William Robb wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "keith_w" > Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now > NationalGeographic) > > >> Paul Stenquist wrote: >>> On Sep 26, 2006, at 6:56 PM, William Robb wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> The more education one recieves, the more likely one is to aquire a >>>> socialist bent? >> >> >>> The more removed from reality one might be, the more likely one >>> is to >>> acquire a socialist bent. >> >> Yes...I like that observation. >> > > I like the jingoism you guys come up with to try to conceal your very > narrowmindedness. > > William Robb > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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graywolf wrote: > Because in the country they tend to be self-employed (micro-businesmen), > and in the cities they tend to be employees? Republicans in general do > not seem to think anyone who works with their hands should be paid > decently or have any rights, and are really ought to be indentured > servants if not outright slaves. > I think you need to talk to more Republicans if you think that is the case. They tend to think that the labour market (including Unions btw) does a better job of ensuring worker's rights and pay than governmental fiat. Now that's not universal, but it's definitely a major strain in GOP thought. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Ya, Frank, reality sucks. (Sorry somehow it seems like using term like Hoovers, would lose some of the impact, besides that would be unfair to Eureka -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- frank theriault wrote: > On 9/27/06, keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Paul Stenquist wrote: >>> On Sep 26, 2006, at 6:56 PM, William Robb wrote: >>> The more education one recieves, the more likely one is to aquire a socialist bent? >> >>> The more removed from reality one might be, the more likely one is to >>> acquire a socialist bent. >> Yes...I like that observation. >> > > I've always had problems with reality... > > -frank the pinko... > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Hey, didn't you hear what Doug said :-). Paul On Sep 27, 2006, at 8:20 PM, graywolf wrote: > Because in the country they tend to be self-employed (micro- > businesmen), > and in the cities they tend to be employees? Republicans in general do > not seem to think anyone who works with their hands should be paid > decently or have any rights, and are really ought to be indentured > servants if not outright slaves. > > -- > graywolf > http://www.graywolfphoto.com > http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf > "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" > --- > > > Scott Loveless wrote: >> On 9/26/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> That's certainly not true in the US. Socialists are almost all >>> academics or students. The working class socialists are a relic of >>> the 1930s. >>> Paul >> >> Based on my own admittedly narrow experience, most blue collar folks >> (myself included) just want to be left alone. Many have a strong >> libertarian bent, even though most have nothing to do with the >> Libertarian party. In rural areas of the Midwest they tended to vote >> Republican. In the cities they'll usually vote Democratic. Go >> figure. >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Street photography - religious objections (now NationalGeographic)
Because in the country they tend to be self-employed (micro-businesmen), and in the cities they tend to be employees? Republicans in general do not seem to think anyone who works with their hands should be paid decently or have any rights, and are really ought to be indentured servants if not outright slaves. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Scott Loveless wrote: > On 9/26/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> That's certainly not true in the US. Socialists are almost all >> academics or students. The working class socialists are a relic of >> the 1930s. >> Paul > > Based on my own admittedly narrow experience, most blue collar folks > (myself included) just want to be left alone. Many have a strong > libertarian bent, even though most have nothing to do with the > Libertarian party. In rural areas of the Midwest they tended to vote > Republican. In the cities they'll usually vote Democratic. Go > figure. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "keith_w" Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now NationalGeographic) > Paul Stenquist wrote: >> On Sep 26, 2006, at 6:56 PM, William Robb wrote: >> >>> >>> The more education one recieves, the more likely one is to aquire a >>> socialist bent? > > >> The more removed from reality one might be, the more likely one is to >> acquire a socialist bent. > > Yes...I like that observation. > I like the jingoism you guys come up with to try to conceal your very narrowmindedness. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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You have your own reality, I'd like to think it's pleasant there... frank theriault wrote: >On 9/27/06, keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>Paul Stenquist wrote: >> >> >>>On Sep 26, 2006, at 6:56 PM, William Robb wrote: >>> >>> >>> The more education one recieves, the more likely one is to aquire a socialist bent? >> >> >>>The more removed from reality one might be, the more likely one is to >>>acquire a socialist bent. >>> >>> >>Yes...I like that observation. >> >> >> > >I've always had problems with reality... > >-frank the pinko... > > > -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 9/27/06, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Good thing border guards don't [have a problem with reality]. Did you notice how testy they got when I called them Capitalist Stormtroopers? cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Quoting frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 9/27/06, keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Paul Stenquist wrote: >> > On Sep 26, 2006, at 6:56 PM, William Robb wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> The more education one recieves, the more likely one is to aquire a >> >> socialist bent? >> >> >> > The more removed from reality one might be, the more likely one is to >> > acquire a socialist bent. >> >> Yes...I like that observation. >> > > I've always had problems with reality... Good thing border guards don't Dave > > -frank the pinko... > > -- > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 9/27/06, keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paul Stenquist wrote: > > On Sep 26, 2006, at 6:56 PM, William Robb wrote: > > > >> > >> The more education one recieves, the more likely one is to aquire a > >> socialist bent? > > > > The more removed from reality one might be, the more likely one is to > > acquire a socialist bent. > > Yes...I like that observation. > I've always had problems with reality... -frank the pinko... -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "keith_w" > Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now > NationalGeographic) > > > >>> "Why is it always the intelligent people who are socialists?" - Alan >>> Bennett >>> >>> Bob >> Actually, it isn't, is it. >> The Socialists tend to be those who remain immersed in or at least >> associated >> with one or more Universities for a large part of their lives. Why IS >> that? > The more education one recieves, the more likely one is to aquire a > socialist bent? > > William Robb No. Not the more educated. Enhanced education and the time spent in University are mutually exclusive terms. Prolonging your time in school does not ipso facto guarantee you a weightier brain or more lucid ideas. The longer an otherwise intelligent person spends in University, the less likely s/he is to continue to think for him/herself, and the slide to more aberrant forms of socially acceptable behavior and thinking, as practiced in that institution of so-called learned folks, come to the fore. It's a whole philosophical bent and I don't think suitable for 'net discussion. You know, a sticky wicket... Like discussing hunting to cull the weak and ill... Just not done. Just my most humble opinion, sir. keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Paul Crovella wrote: > Republican rhetoric cracks me up. Frightened of higher education and > peer-reviewed research they attack it for not following their own > political fashion. Two "facts" not in evidence. "Republican rhetoric" and "Frightened of higher education" are not demonstrated as being pertinent or even part of the topic, and are therefore without meaning. keith whaley >> The more time one tends to be in Academia, the more likely one will >> become a Utopian of whatever bent is politically fashionable. >> >> -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Paul Stenquist wrote: > On Sep 26, 2006, at 6:56 PM, William Robb wrote: > >> >> The more education one recieves, the more likely one is to aquire a >> socialist bent? > The more removed from reality one might be, the more likely one is to > acquire a socialist bent. Yes...I like that observation. keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Adam Maas wrote: > William Robb wrote: >> - Original Message - >> From: "keith_w" >> Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now >> NationalGeographic) >> >> >> >>>> "Why is it always the intelligent people who are socialists?" - Alan >>>> Bennett >>>> >>>> Bob >>> Actually, it isn't, is it. >>> The Socialists tend to be those who remain immersed in or at least >>> associated >>> with one or more Universities for a large part of their lives. Why IS >>> that? >> The more education one recieves, the more likely one is to aquire a >> socialist bent? >> >> William Robb > The more time one tends to be in Academia, the more likely one will > become a Utopian of whatever bent is politically fashionable. > > -Adam Thank you, Adam. More concisely spoken than what I offered. Yes. My point exactly. keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Just to make co-workers look fat ;-) -Adam (Yeah, it does work the other way too) Kenneth Waller wrote: > Yeah but do you use the slimming filter? > > > Kenneth Waller > > - Original Message - > From: "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:26 PM > Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now > NationalGeographic) > > >> Paul Crovella wrote: >>> Adam Maas wrote: >>>> I'm hardly a Republican (hell, I'm not even American). >>> Well I'll tell ya, you'd fit right in! >>> >> Hmm >> >> I'm socially liberal, support socialized medicine and education, vote >> for the NDP on a regular basis (Canada's socialist party), opposed the >> (so-called) War on Drugs (up to and including supporting legalization of >> hard drugs), think peacekeeping is a good idea, support strong >> environmental regulation, am seriously in favour of (relatively) free >> immigration et al. >> >> On the other hand, I think the 2nd Ammendment guarantees the First (And >> wish we had that guarantee here in Canada), am something of a hawk on >> National Defence and a skeptic on some Global Warming issues (The human >> contribution to it and the actual results of it, not whether or not it's >> occuring), but the latter is mostly due to historical data (It was >> notably warmer on earth 1000 years ago). Oh, and with a couple >> exceptions (notably healthcare and education), I generally think that >> government solutions cause more problems than they solve, but that's >> more a case of inherent bureaucratic empire building tahn anything else. >> >> In other words, I'm a Tory/NDP swing voter, depending on the issues at >> hand. By US standards that would make me a moderate democrat, who might >> swing republican depending on the issues. >> >> -Adam >> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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>From Paul Stenquist: > Only the truly naive > believe the stereotypes. MARK!!! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Yeah but do you use the slimming filter? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Adam Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now NationalGeographic) > Paul Crovella wrote: >> Adam Maas wrote: >>> I'm hardly a Republican (hell, I'm not even American). >> >> Well I'll tell ya, you'd fit right in! >> > > Hmm > > I'm socially liberal, support socialized medicine and education, vote > for the NDP on a regular basis (Canada's socialist party), opposed the > (so-called) War on Drugs (up to and including supporting legalization of > hard drugs), think peacekeeping is a good idea, support strong > environmental regulation, am seriously in favour of (relatively) free > immigration et al. > > On the other hand, I think the 2nd Ammendment guarantees the First (And > wish we had that guarantee here in Canada), am something of a hawk on > National Defence and a skeptic on some Global Warming issues (The human > contribution to it and the actual results of it, not whether or not it's > occuring), but the latter is mostly due to historical data (It was > notably warmer on earth 1000 years ago). Oh, and with a couple > exceptions (notably healthcare and education), I generally think that > government solutions cause more problems than they solve, but that's > more a case of inherent bureaucratic empire building tahn anything else. > > In other words, I'm a Tory/NDP swing voter, depending on the issues at > hand. By US standards that would make me a moderate democrat, who might > swing republican depending on the issues. > > -Adam > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Steve Sharpe wrote: > At 8:55 PM -0400 9/26/06, Adam Maas wrote: >> I'm hardly a Republican (hell, I'm not even American). And I was a >> Classics Major in Uni. So I've seen the Ivory-Tower crap that Academia >> often indulges in. Remember, flat earth theory was peer-reviewed. > > What?? > >> So was >> the Ptolemaic Solar System model. > > What?? > >> Both were _proven_ wrong. > > Both were fashionable in the days before the scientific method was > perfected and perpetrated more by the religious hierarchy than by > anyone else. > The religious heirarchy were essentially the only ones doing any science in the West before the Renaissance, so it's just about impossible to seperate science from the Church prior to 1500 or so, and even later they were one of the driving forces behind scientific research (The infamous Gallileo incident arose because he was a plagiaristic asshole who couldn't help but inform everybody around him of his greatness, which pissed everybody off and led to his politic problems). And note that most of the Doctors of the Church were quite wedded to Reason, as they felt that only reason could illuminate the Will of God. And the Ptolemaic model predates the Church's secular power. It's from the Greek era and the first great explorations of Natural Philosophy. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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>By US standards that would make me a moderate democrat Which may as well be republican. The democratic party in this country hasn't represented the left in a long time. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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In other words, you're capable of judging the issues independent of blind allegiance to a political party or cause. You're not influenced by what happens to be politically correct at the moment. That's a good place to be. Paul On Sep 26, 2006, at 9:26 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > Paul Crovella wrote: >> Adam Maas wrote: >>> I'm hardly a Republican (hell, I'm not even American). >> >> Well I'll tell ya, you'd fit right in! >> > > Hmm > > I'm socially liberal, support socialized medicine and education, vote > for the NDP on a regular basis (Canada's socialist party), opposed the > (so-called) War on Drugs (up to and including supporting > legalization of > hard drugs), think peacekeeping is a good idea, support strong > environmental regulation, am seriously in favour of (relatively) free > immigration et al. > > On the other hand, I think the 2nd Ammendment guarantees the First > (And > wish we had that guarantee here in Canada), am something of a hawk on > National Defence and a skeptic on some Global Warming issues (The > human > contribution to it and the actual results of it, not whether or not > it's > occuring), but the latter is mostly due to historical data (It was > notably warmer on earth 1000 years ago). Oh, and with a couple > exceptions (notably healthcare and education), I generally think that > government solutions cause more problems than they solve, but that's > more a case of inherent bureaucratic empire building tahn anything > else. > > In other words, I'm a Tory/NDP swing voter, depending on the issues at > hand. By US standards that would make me a moderate democrat, who > might > swing republican depending on the issues. > > -Adam > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Sep 26, 2006, at 9:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > > > Bob W wrote: > Well, it was founded by rich businessmen, so in the past it wouldn't have been surprising. (Or do you mean something else?) I'm more surprised that it's apparently still the case today. A lot of conservative Republicans wouldn't like some of the stuff published in National Geographic's publications... >>> I was surprised. Most of the writers and photographers I know who >>> work for them are pretty liberal, but then most of the writers and >>> photographers I know who don't work for them are also pretty >>> liberal. Maybe they can't find conservative Republican writers and >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> photographers. >>> >>> >>> >> >> "Why is it always the intelligent people who are socialists?" - Alan >> Bennett >> >> >> > Wishful thinking? > >> Bob >> Self-indulgent liberal pretension. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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To generalize about Republicans is just as foolish as to generalize about socialists. No single model fits all. Only the truly nieve believe the stereotypes. Paul On Sep 26, 2006, at 9:06 PM, Paul Crovella wrote: > Adam Maas wrote: >> I'm hardly a Republican (hell, I'm not even American). > > Well I'll tell ya, you'd fit right in! > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Sep 26, 2006, at 6:56 PM, William Robb wrote: > > > The more education one recieves, the more likely one is to aquire a > socialist bent? > The more removed from reality one might be, the more likely one is to acquire a socialist bent. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Paul Crovella wrote: > Adam Maas wrote: >> I'm hardly a Republican (hell, I'm not even American). > > Well I'll tell ya, you'd fit right in! > Hmm I'm socially liberal, support socialized medicine and education, vote for the NDP on a regular basis (Canada's socialist party), opposed the (so-called) War on Drugs (up to and including supporting legalization of hard drugs), think peacekeeping is a good idea, support strong environmental regulation, am seriously in favour of (relatively) free immigration et al. On the other hand, I think the 2nd Ammendment guarantees the First (And wish we had that guarantee here in Canada), am something of a hawk on National Defence and a skeptic on some Global Warming issues (The human contribution to it and the actual results of it, not whether or not it's occuring), but the latter is mostly due to historical data (It was notably warmer on earth 1000 years ago). Oh, and with a couple exceptions (notably healthcare and education), I generally think that government solutions cause more problems than they solve, but that's more a case of inherent bureaucratic empire building tahn anything else. In other words, I'm a Tory/NDP swing voter, depending on the issues at hand. By US standards that would make me a moderate democrat, who might swing republican depending on the issues. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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More like the more "education" you can stomach, (note ironic quotation marks). William Robb wrote: >- Original Message - >From: "keith_w" >Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now >NationalGeographic) > > > > > >>>"Why is it always the intelligent people who are socialists?" - Alan >>>Bennett >>> >>>Bob >>> >>> >>Actually, it isn't, is it. >>The Socialists tend to be those who remain immersed in or at least >>associated >>with one or more Universities for a large part of their lives. Why IS >>that? >> >> > >The more education one recieves, the more likely one is to aquire a >socialist bent? > >William Robb > > > > > -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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At 8:55 PM -0400 9/26/06, Adam Maas wrote: >I'm hardly a Republican (hell, I'm not even American). And I was a >Classics Major in Uni. So I've seen the Ivory-Tower crap that Academia >often indulges in. Remember, flat earth theory was peer-reviewed. What?? > So was >the Ptolemaic Solar System model. What?? > Both were _proven_ wrong. Both were fashionable in the days before the scientific method was perfected and perpetrated more by the religious hierarchy than by anyone else. -- Steve Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://earth.delith.com/photo_gallery.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Adam Maas wrote: > I'm hardly a Republican (hell, I'm not even American). Well I'll tell ya, you'd fit right in! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Bob W wrote: >>>Well, it was founded by rich businessmen, so in the >>>past it wouldn't have been surprising. (Or do you mean >>>something else?) >>> >>>I'm more surprised that it's apparently still the case >>>today. A lot of conservative Republicans wouldn't like >>>some of the stuff published in National Geographic's >>>publications... >>> >>> >>I was surprised. Most of the writers and photographers I know who >>work for them are pretty liberal, but then most of the writers and >>photographers I know who don't work for them are also pretty >>liberal. Maybe they can't find conservative Republican writers and >> >> > > > >>photographers. >> >> >> > >"Why is it always the intelligent people who are socialists?" - Alan >Bennett > > > Wishful thinking? >Bob > > > > > -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Republican rhetoric cracks me up. Frightened of higher education and peer-reviewed research they attack it for not following their own political fashion. > The more time one tends to be in Academia, the more likely one will > become a Utopian of whatever bent is politically fashionable. > > -Adam > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I'm hardly a Republican (hell, I'm not even American). And I was a Classics Major in Uni. So I've seen the Ivory-Tower crap that Academia often indulges in. Remember, flat earth theory was peer-reviewed. So was the Ptolemaic Solar System model. Both were _proven_ wrong. Peer Review is quite useful, but only when it gets reviewed for real data, not accepted wisdom. -Adam Paul Crovella wrote: > Republican rhetoric cracks me up. Frightened of higher education and > peer-reviewed research they attack it for not following their own > political fashion. > >> The more time one tends to be in Academia, the more likely one will >> become a Utopian of whatever bent is politically fashionable. >> >> -Adam >> >> > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 06:22:37PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote: > frank theriault wrote: > > > > Do you know many socialists? I do. While it's true that there are > > many academics and students are attracted to socialism, in my past > > experience of being a member of an organized party, most of the > > members are of the so-called working-class. > > > > cheers, > > frank > > > > > They split both ways, and the crossover seems minimal. There's Academic > and Government types, and the working class types and the two don't mix > well. > > Those who've dealt a lot with the first kind of socialist tend to end up > libertarians of some sort (from the small-government conservatives > through the L. Neil Nutbars). The second kind tend to be great people, > the ones you wish actually ended up in government. That's still far too much of a generalisation. I'm sure you'd consider my wife a socialist - the daughter of two Labour politicians (one of whom was towards the left wing of the Labour party). But while there is a definite working-class background (coal mining for several previous generations) they were both definitely on the Academic (teaching) and Government (county and city council) side of things. That never seemed to stop them mixing with the working class socialists. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 9/26/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's certainly not true in the US. Socialists are almost all > academics or students. The working class socialists are a relic of > the 1930s. > Paul Based on my own admittedly narrow experience, most blue collar folks (myself included) just want to be left alone. Many have a strong libertarian bent, even though most have nothing to do with the Libertarian party. In rural areas of the Midwest they tended to vote Republican. In the cities they'll usually vote Democratic. Go figure. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "keith_w" > Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now > NationalGeographic) > > > >>> "Why is it always the intelligent people who are socialists?" - Alan >>> Bennett >>> >>> Bob >> Actually, it isn't, is it. >> The Socialists tend to be those who remain immersed in or at least >> associated >> with one or more Universities for a large part of their lives. Why IS >> that? > > The more education one recieves, the more likely one is to aquire a > socialist bent? > > William Robb > The more time one tends to be in Academia, the more likely one will become a Utopian of whatever bent is politically fashionable. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "keith_w" Subject: Re: Street photography - religious objections (now NationalGeographic) >> "Why is it always the intelligent people who are socialists?" - Alan >> Bennett >> >> Bob > > Actually, it isn't, is it. > The Socialists tend to be those who remain immersed in or at least > associated > with one or more Universities for a large part of their lives. Why IS > that? The more education one recieves, the more likely one is to aquire a socialist bent? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Paul Stenquist wrote: > That's certainly not true in the US. Socialists are almost all > academics or students. The working class socialists are a relic of > the 1930s. > Paul I am? I should really be retired by now. -paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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That's certainly not true in the US. Socialists are almost all academics or students. The working class socialists are a relic of the 1930s. Paul On Sep 26, 2006, at 4:49 PM, frank theriault wrote: > On 9/26/06, keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Actually, it isn't, is it. >> The Socialists tend to be those who remain immersed in or at least >> associated >> with one or more Universities for a large part of their lives. Why >> IS that? >> (That's a rhetorical question...) >> Suppose they can't make it on their own, without the crutch of >> claiming >> membership in some ivy-covered institution of learning? >> >> I know those were not YOUR words, Bob, but even as a signature, I >> can't help >> commenting on them. > > Do you know many socialists? I do. While it's true that there are > many academics and students are attracted to socialism, in my past > experience of being a member of an organized party, most of the > members are of the so-called working-class. > > cheers, > frank > > -- > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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You mean they are all illegal immigrants? Sorry could not pass up the straight line. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Adam Maas wrote: > frank theriault wrote: >> On 9/26/06, keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Actually, it isn't, is it. >>> The Socialists tend to be those who remain immersed in or at least >>> associated >>> with one or more Universities for a large part of their lives. Why IS that? >>> (That's a rhetorical question...) >>> Suppose they can't make it on their own, without the crutch of claiming >>> membership in some ivy-covered institution of learning? >>> >>> I know those were not YOUR words, Bob, but even as a signature, I can't help >>> commenting on them. >> Do you know many socialists? I do. While it's true that there are >> many academics and students are attracted to socialism, in my past >> experience of being a member of an organized party, most of the >> members are of the so-called working-class. >> >> cheers, >> frank >> > > > They split both ways, and the crossover seems minimal. There's Academic > and Government types, and the working class types and the two don't mix > well. > > Those who've dealt a lot with the first kind of socialist tend to end up > libertarians of some sort (from the small-government conservatives > through the L. Neil Nutbars). The second kind tend to be great people, > the ones you wish actually ended up in government. > > -Adam > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 9/26/06, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Those who've dealt a lot with the first kind of socialist tend to end up > libertarians of some sort (from the small-government conservatives > through the L. Neil Nutbars). The second kind tend to be great people, > the ones you wish actually ended up in government. OK, but which are the ones that don't like their picture taken? j -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com photoblog: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com a book: http://www.jbuhler.com/book.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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frank theriault wrote: > On 9/26/06, keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Actually, it isn't, is it. >> The Socialists tend to be those who remain immersed in or at least associated >> with one or more Universities for a large part of their lives. Why IS that? >> (That's a rhetorical question...) >> Suppose they can't make it on their own, without the crutch of claiming >> membership in some ivy-covered institution of learning? >> >> I know those were not YOUR words, Bob, but even as a signature, I can't help >> commenting on them. > > Do you know many socialists? I do. While it's true that there are > many academics and students are attracted to socialism, in my past > experience of being a member of an organized party, most of the > members are of the so-called working-class. > > cheers, > frank > They split both ways, and the crossover seems minimal. There's Academic and Government types, and the working class types and the two don't mix well. Those who've dealt a lot with the first kind of socialist tend to end up libertarians of some sort (from the small-government conservatives through the L. Neil Nutbars). The second kind tend to be great people, the ones you wish actually ended up in government. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 9/26/06, keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, it isn't, is it. > The Socialists tend to be those who remain immersed in or at least associated > with one or more Universities for a large part of their lives. Why IS that? > (That's a rhetorical question...) > Suppose they can't make it on their own, without the crutch of claiming > membership in some ivy-covered institution of learning? > > I know those were not YOUR words, Bob, but even as a signature, I can't help > commenting on them. Do you know many socialists? I do. While it's true that there are many academics and students are attracted to socialism, in my past experience of being a member of an organized party, most of the members are of the so-called working-class. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Bob W wrote: >>> Well, it was founded by rich businessmen, so in the >>> past it wouldn't have been surprising. (Or do you mean >>> something else?) >>> >>> I'm more surprised that it's apparently still the case >>> today. A lot of conservative Republicans wouldn't like >>> some of the stuff published in National Geographic's >>> publications... >> I was surprised. Most of the writers and photographers I know who >> work for them are pretty liberal, but then most of the writers and >> photographers I know who don't work for them are also pretty >> liberal. Maybe they can't find conservative Republican writers and >> photographers. > "Why is it always the intelligent people who are socialists?" - Alan > Bennett > > Bob Actually, it isn't, is it. The Socialists tend to be those who remain immersed in or at least associated with one or more Universities for a large part of their lives. Why IS that? (That's a rhetorical question...) Suppose they can't make it on their own, without the crutch of claiming membership in some ivy-covered institution of learning? I know those were not YOUR words, Bob, but even as a signature, I can't help commenting on them. keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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> > Well, it was founded by rich businessmen, so in the > > past it wouldn't have been surprising. (Or do you mean > > something else?) > > > > I'm more surprised that it's apparently still the case > > today. A lot of conservative Republicans wouldn't like > > some of the stuff published in National Geographic's > > publications... > > I was surprised. Most of the writers and photographers I know who > work for them are pretty liberal, but then most of the writers and > photographers I know who don't work for them are also pretty > liberal. Maybe they can't find conservative Republican writers and > photographers. > "Why is it always the intelligent people who are socialists?" - Alan Bennett Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
