Re: The Queen Mum
Nah, he's more like The Who No. Nitin is right. What should be targeted are those who start these innocent totally off-topic threads. Does people never learn? This is a Pentax forum and everything else is going to start flame wars. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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I am very sorry, all. I started it as a respect for a unique individual. I did no mean it to go WELL OFF TOPIC! Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: The Queen Mum
And I've even stayed out of this one! :) Collin * From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: The Queen Mum KILL THIS THREAD. IT DOESNT BELONG HERE! JCO * -- Collin Brendemuehl, KC8TKA --- Get over it. Dr. Laura -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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In the light of his statements does anybody else find it ironic that Nitin chooses attend a college which was originally set up by the colonial British? Regards, /\/\ick... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Cotty wrote: He lives! Nitin, Mafud 2. Out now! Mafud version 2.0 doesn't seem to be much of an upgrade. (Except in regards to speed: made it into my kill file in record time weeks ago.) -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Oops, didn't realize the cries for the thread to be killed off... I'll say no more. Regards, /\/\ick... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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If modern democratic monarch isn't an oxymoron, then nothing can be. The very concept of an hereditary monachy is offensive to the equality of all people, regardless of race, religion, gender, nationality and status of birth. The best that can be said for the Queen Mum (what a strange phrase, and so terribly British) is that she was not born a Windsor (a name created to disguise a German line of rulers). John Coyle wrote: The function of a modern democratic monarch is to be the head of state, in whose name and position all things are done by the government of the day, and to whom the armed services and other security forces owe and swear allegiance. -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Right and churchill (and many before him) was just the PM and the first colonizers were just businessmen and explorers, the british personnel in colonies were just poor sobs seeking employment far away from mother england. Nobody had anything todo with colonization and the aboriginals and red indians just happened to (almost) vanish. The riches of the colonies spontaneously moved to england on its own. He lives! Nitin, Mafud 2. Out now! My absolute last word on this thread. Promise. Nah, he's more like The Who Bill KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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From: Nitin Garg [EMAIL PROTECTED] And yes, i dont know anything about your country, about her personal life or her family. That doenst change what happened to some colonial regions and the opinion of some people there. Nor does it make her responsible. Similarly, you know nothing about my country and what people there went through. It's not about your country. No one is attacking your country. YOU were personally attacked. I agree with James and yes, you would be right to take it personally. You jumped up on your personal soapbox and started spitting. Did you expect that no one would react to your lack of understanding of the times? Did you expect that no one would react to your lack of understanding who is/was responsible for whatever? Did you expect that no one would react to your lack of tact? If you think stating that not everyone considered her dear is being an asshole then i rather be one :) I didn't consider her dear as I didn't know her. On the other hand, I didn't disparage her either. This difference appears to be something difficult for some to grasp. Your hate is becoming infectious. I am beginning to assimilate it. It is not directed where you intended it. Now where exactly are you from, Nitin? Let us delve deeply into the history of your nation. Let us put your people's past under the microscope of current thought as you do with others. Given the current trend in balanced judgment as exemplified by you, let's discuss only the evil and leave any good out of the balance. Further, lets focus the evil on the spouses of those in who were the sons of those in power when the evils were perpetrated. Regards, Bob... Citizen, former British colony. --- In the carboniferous epoch we were promised perpetual peace. They swore if we gave up our weapons that the wars of the tribes would cease. But when we disarmed they sold us, and delivered us, bound, to our foe. And the gods of the copybook headings said, 'Stick to the devil you know.' --Rudyard Kipling On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:33:10PM -0700, James Adams wrote: I don't know what was arrogant about the original message, but I find the mindless comments from Nitin offensive. Bob's message was a genuine and heart felt comment on someone whom he felt significant enough to share a personal farewell. Whether you liked her Nitin is irrelevant, you are insignificant, you know nothing about my country, you know nothing about her or her family. She made a significant impact on the lives of more people than you ever will. She was dear to many peoples around the world, and she is being given the honour and respect she deserves. She won't be forgotten, but what will your memorial be? Very little I suspect, you will be go like an insignificant fart in the wind. I was not going to say this, but were you born an asshole, or did you have to take a course. James Unsubscribing. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Japan and most of east asia (china, phillipines etc) are still not on the best of terms. What is history and what is recent past are very subjective. Its great that many animosities went by in a couple of generations -- that is source of hope that things turn out well. It is also true that some didn't -- and that is a warning that things can go wrong. Blind optimism that all animosity goes away is idiocy. Some of it needs harder scrubbing to wipe out. You need to understand that. Being optimistic about it is correct attitude as long as you realize it doesnt happen that way always. Each of these case is different enough that the only rule you can carry over from one to the next is: everyones better off if its worked out instead of letting it smoulder. You dont whack bin laden on the head and say dude, be enlightened. Dont harbor hatred of centuries past. That wont work. He already has it. He is a gone case. What is important is to realise that whether its unenlightened or not, such hatred exists and its better dealth with before it causes a disaster. And all this has nothing to do with the queen. This is even more OT and only started because I responded to someone's post about not pulling up things from long ago. And I am not learning history at princeton. On the contrary, I avoid all current news which isnt of immediate significant impact to my day to day life. On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 10:05:39AM -0700, Bob Blakely wrote: Idiocy! The Canadians (then actually the Brits) burned down our White House! This is history. Now we are the best of friends. My Mom cherishes a book titled Between Friends. It's a photo essay with photographs of every inch of the Canadian - American boarder. The Brits declared war on us after the revolution (often referred to as the rebellion in Briton) - the War of 1812. When we had our Civil War, they sided with the Confederacy. Today we are the best of friends. Japan was once our enemy having bombed Pearl Harbor and destroying most of our Navy. We fought a long and bloody war with them and with Germany as well. Today we are friends with both, and Americans think very highly of Japan and Germany. They are not a danger to us any more, nor are we a danger to them. We are the best of friends. Vietnam is over and we lost. We still have within us some serious negative feelings about each other, but we are both trying to normalize relations. The present vestiges of animosity will dissipate when my generation is gone. History is to learn from, not to ferment the hate of centuries from. September 11 is a clear and present danger, not just to the US, but to the entire civilized world. It is not history. It is current events with current impact. It comes with the danger of the same persons spawning further, similar incidents. When all is past into history and the danger is (hopefully) over, we will eventually be friends. This is considerably more enlightened thought than the harboring the hatred of centuries past. It amazes me that you appear unable to see the difference. What the hell are you doing at Princeton? Learning only the events of history and non of it's lessons? Regards, Bob... --- In the carboniferous epoch we were promised perpetual peace. They swore if we gave up our weapons that the wars of the tribes would cease. But when we disarmed they sold us, and delivered us, bound, to our foe. And the gods of the copybook headings said, 'Stick to the devil you know.' --Rudyard Kipling From: Nitin Garg [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:14:35PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: Nitin Garg wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:39:59PM -0700, Bill D. Casselberry wrote: Nitin wrote: Doesnt always work. Did the US govt say that to sept 11 and move on ? That has nothing to do with the death of a lady who was incidental to world politics. You are not thinking very clearly, Nitin. It has if u bother to stop and think about what it was said in response to. You dont always let go of something which happens saying oh, its becuase of a heap of history. No one thinks bin laden was a victim and pushed into terrorism (well maybe his supporters do). You hold him RESPONSIBLE for what he did. You dont say well so and so things happened in his life which made him do so but otherwise he is good man. So you cant say hey she just happened to become queen and her ancestors did all the colonization. She continued it and by that endorsed it. Even though one is not responsible for what was done in past but one can become a party to it depending upon how you choose to react to it. Some do remember what your predecessors did and DO hold you responsible (you can say its shouldnt be so, but if it is, it is). Sept 11 wouldnt have happened if no one was like that. No one is going to land a plane in buckingham palace but some do hold its present and past
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More idiocy! Regards, Bob... --- In the carboniferous epoch we were promised perpetual peace. They swore if we gave up our weapons that the wars of the tribes would cease. But when we disarmed they sold us, and delivered us, bound, to our foe. And the gods of the copybook headings said, 'Stick to the devil you know.' --Rudyard Kipling From: Nitin Garg [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 09:22:21AM -0700, Bob Blakely wrote: From: Nitin Garg [EMAIL PROTECTED] And yes, i dont know anything about your country, about her personal life or her family. That doenst change what happened to some colonial regions and the opinion of some people there. Nor does it make her responsible. It does when the same colonial rule continues in the same way during her time as well. You do not understand responsibility. To be responsible for anything, you have to have control or authority over it. The Queen Mum had no control or authority over anything of the like. Similarly, you know nothing about my country and what people there went through. It's not about your country. No one is attacking your country. YOU were personally attacked. I agree with James and yes, you would be right to take it personally. You jumped up on your personal soapbox and started spitting. Now whos doing what here ? I didnt attack anyone on the list personally. I say the queen is responsible and i say it again. Defend that if you must. Dont bunk the strawman. Again, you cannot demonstrate that the Queen Mum had any control or authority to change British policity. Did you expect that no one would react to your lack of understanding of the times? No, but if someone feels so i expect a better addressal than above. Did you expect that no one would react to your lack of understanding who is/was responsible for whatever? See above. Did you expect that no one would react to your lack of tact? tact-schmact. If you have problems with HOW i said things, that is fine. I can change my tact if someone has a problem but address WHAT i said as well. I have a problem with your lack of understanding of responsibility. It is paticularly obnoxous to me that you attempt to make the Queen Mum responsible for something over which she had no control or authority. If you think stating that not everyone considered her dear is being an asshole then i rather be one :) I didn't consider her dear as I didn't know her. On the other hand, I didn't disparage her either. This difference appears to be something difficult for some to grasp. Your hate is becoming infectious. I am beginning to assimilate it. It is not directed where you intended it. If saying she was responsible (in part) for colonial evils done during her time as queen is disparaging her and having hate for her, then yes i did it. She may have been Queen, but she had NO AUTHORITY. She was titled Queen because her husband George VI was King. Rail against him if you must. The authority actually rested squarely with the British Parliament. You, being Indian, should know this. Now where exactly are you from, Nitin? Let us delve deeply into the history of your nation. Let us put your people's past under the microscope of current thought as you do with others. Given the current trend in balanced judgment as exemplified by you, let's discuss only the evil and leave any good out of the balance. Further, lets focus the evil on the spouses of those in who were the sons of those in power when the evils were perpetrated. India. People there have done wrong too (and sadly they do it more to each other everyday). I still hold some of them dear but I wont deny that they are responsible for their actions (or failure to take action). So there we are. You are nothing but piss and hate. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:06:46 -0700, Bob Blakely wrote: More idiocy! Ok, who the hell woke up Bob? tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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From: Nitin Garg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Japan and most of east asia (china, phillipines etc) are still not on the best of terms. What is history and what is recent past are very subjective. Its great that many animosities went by in a couple of generations -- that is source of hope that things turn out well. It is also true that some didn't -- and that is a warning that things can go wrong. Yes. There are many persons like you in this world willing to dig the knife into old wounds. Blind optimism that all animosity goes away is idiocy. Nothing I said suggests that blind optimism, or any kind of optimism for that matter. All was said to show that things can be different. Some of it needs harder scrubbing to wipe out. This is work, an internal work of the heart, and you are unwilling to do it. No one else can do it for you. Ultimately, it is a choice. You need to understand that. Being optimistic about it is correct attitude as long as you realize it doesnt happen that way always. Nor have I suggested that it does, as you seem to imply that I did. Each of these case is different enough that the only rule you can carry over from one to the next is: everyones better off if its worked out instead of letting it smoulder. You not only let it smolder, you've fanned it to flames. This is clearly evident from this thread. You espouse one thing and do another. You dont whack bin laden on the head and say dude, be enlightened. Dont harbor hatred of centuries past. That wont work. He already has it. He is a gone case. What is important is to realise that whether its unenlightened or not, such hatred exists and its better dealth with before it causes a disaster. Again, you fail to grasp what was said concerning things that are a present danger and those things that no longer present any threat. . What is important is to realise that whether its unenlightened or not, such hatred exists and its better dealth with before it causes a disaster. Yes, and the hatred that exists that is the topic of this thread is in your heart. So far, you have been unwilling to deal with it in any manner other than fermentation of the hatred and justification for fermentation of the hatred. And I am not learning history at princeton. On the contrary, I avoid all current news which isnt of immediate significant impact to my day to day life. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it! - George Santayana. One of the lessons of history is what happens when a people cannot let go of the past. Regards, Bob... --- In the carboniferous epoch we were promised perpetual peace. They swore if we gave up our weapons that the wars of the tribes would cease. But when we disarmed they sold us, and delivered us, bound, to our foe. And the gods of the copybook headings said, 'Stick to the devil you know.' --Rudyard Kipling - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 11:06:46AM -0700, Bob Blakely wrote: More idiocy! bah. Nor does it make her responsible. It does when the same colonial rule continues in the same way during her time as well. You do not understand responsibility. To be responsible for anything, you have to have control or authority over it. The Queen Mum had no control or authority over anything of the like. She had the privileges. By remaining silent on it, she (and all british folks of that time) implicitly take responsibility for it because they all enjoyed the benefits of it. She gets to represent the responsibility becuase she was the queen (the king does too but we arent talking about that here). Did she ever express so much as a belief that colonialism's impact might be harmful? An ordinary person's opinion might not have mattered. Hers would have. She is morally responsible. Legally, maybe not. Now whos doing what here ? I didnt attack anyone on the list personally. I say the queen is responsible and i say it again. Defend that if you must. Dont bunk the strawman. Again, you cannot demonstrate that the Queen Mum had any control or authority to change British policity. Did any member of royal family ever say (even unofficially) that colonialism was harming the native population in places where it obviously was ? Present british folks I have met admit wrongs were done and that is enough for me. I know the british govt helped in ways it could after India became independent. But was there an admission of wrong-doing? no. What does that mean ? tact-schmact. If you have problems with HOW i said things, that is fine. I can change my tact if someone has a problem but address WHAT i said as well. I have a problem with your lack of understanding of responsibility. It is paticularly obnoxous to me that you attempt to make the Queen Mum responsible for something over which she had no control or authority. She may have been Queen, but she had NO AUTHORITY. She was titled Queen because her husband George VI was King. Rail against him if you must. The authority actually rested squarely with the British Parliament. You, being Indian, should know this. England took great amounts of wealth from india (at the cost of welfare of the people there) over a long time. You say the british parliament is responsible ? Who elected them ? Whose bidding were they doing ? The people of england. The queen is part of the people of england. They all share in some of the responsibility. Why was her stand particularly important ? She was the queen. No authority or control you say ? Thats a lame excuse. She had the capacity to do something about it. She didnt. Did she ever say she should have ? No. India. People there have done wrong too (and sadly they do it more to each other everyday). I still hold some of them dear but I wont deny that they are responsible for their actions (or failure to take action). So there we are. You are nothing but piss and hate. Its so convenient to use insults when you dont have anything better to say. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 11:06:46AM -0700, Bob Blakely wrote: Japan and most of east asia (china, phillipines etc) are still not on the best of terms. What is history and what is recent past are very subjective. Its great that many animosities went by in a couple of generations -- that is source of hope that things turn out well. It is also true that some didn't -- and that is a warning that things can go wrong. Yes. There are many persons like you in this world willing to dig the knife into old wounds. old wounds and new wounds are subjective. Deep wounds tend to take longer to heal. Blind optimism that all animosity goes away is idiocy. Nothing I said suggests that blind optimism, or any kind of optimism for that matter. All was said to show that things can be different. And there was no need to show that. If that is all you wanted to show, it was irrelevant or it meant to me what i said above. Some of it needs harder scrubbing to wipe out. This is work, an internal work of the heart, and you are unwilling to do it. No one else can do it for you. Ultimately, it is a choice. That would have made a good movie dialogue but is completely pointless when you try saying that to the victims. What are you trying to imply by me unwilling to do it ? What are you referring to ? Since this is totally tangential to QM's thread, what are you talking about ? Each of these case is different enough that the only rule you can carry over from one to the next is: everyones better off if its worked out instead of letting it smoulder. You not only let it smolder, you've fanned it to flames. This is clearly evident from this thread. You espouse one thing and do another. Really ? And how did you conclude this ? You dont whack bin laden on the head and say dude, be enlightened. Dont harbor hatred of centuries past. That wont work. He already has it. He is a gone case. What is important is to realise that whether its unenlightened or not, such hatred exists and its better dealth with before it causes a disaster. Again, you fail to grasp what was said concerning things that are a present danger and those things that no longer present any threat. and you fail to grasp what could become a danger in future. . What is important is to realise that whether its unenlightened or not, such hatred exists and its better dealth with before it causes a disaster. Yes, and the hatred that exists that is the topic of this thread is in your heart. And the idiocy in your head. And there are plenty more convenient lines that can be thrown around here to only make this more surreal. What hatred in this thread are you talking about? Sept 11 ? animosity between nations ? You are mixing up 2 OT threads. As it is, i dont hate the QM. So far, you have been unwilling to deal with it in any manner other than fermentation of the hatred and justification for fermentation of the hatred. What are you talking about ? And I am not learning history at princeton. On the contrary, I avoid all current news which isnt of immediate significant impact to my day to day life. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it! - George Santayana. *immediate significant impact* has some meaning. One of the lessons of history is what happens when a people cannot let go of the past. It would be nice if you can impart this lesson to women who were used as sex slave by japanese during WWII and convince them to not ask for a japnese apology. The lesson is not to let go of it but how to handle it. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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I didn't want to be rude, but when the @#$% will you shut up? The name of this list is Pentax Discussion Mail List! I'm sick of this thread. ukasz - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Hi, Evan, Uh-huh! I had at least 10 responses composed, and then deleted them without sending them. I know that I indulge in OT discussions from time to time, but this one was (is) just too emotionally charged. It got to a point (and seemingly continues!) that no one was going to change anyone's mind, and so ends up with insults and mud-slinging - and most unfortunately to at least one list member may be gone for a while. Can the participants not see that by perpetuating this it only baits the other side? I'm sure that it's not intentional, but every response guarantees another, and another... Oh well. Nice weather we had today in Toronto. About time... regards, frank Evan Hanson wrote: I'm with you Frank. I had actually spent a lot of time writing a long and detailed response; having spent way too much time studying colonialism and post colonialism, and then I decided to kill the message before I sent it. In the end isn't enough that we all love Pentax. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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The whole world might not agree. She was the colonial ruler of a lot of places which werent thrilled with the british rule :) On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:05:43PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Queen Mum, May she rest in peace. There goes one of the true heroes of the 20th Century. She stood tall when her people needed her most. As England stood alone against the German bombs she rallied her people by word and example. Great Britain, alas the whole world, owes a debt, to her and Churchill. The civilized world owes a debt to our greatest ally, England. G-d save the Queen Mum. May she rest in peace. Burt Yust NYC USA - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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We liked her up hereG Dave Begin Original Message From: Nitin Garg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:20:21 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Queen Mum The whole world might not agree. She was the colonial ruler of a lot of places which werent thrilled with the british rule :) On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:05:43PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Queen Mum, May she rest in peace. There goes one of the true heroes of the 20th Century. She stood tall when her people needed her most. As England stood alone against the German bombs she rallied her people by word and example. Great Britain, alas the whole world, owes a debt, to her and Churchill. The civilized world owes a debt to our greatest ally, England. G-d save the Queen Mum. May she rest in peace. Burt Yust NYC USA - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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The Queen Mum wasn't the ruler of anything and had nothing to do with colonization. She was the wife of the King. And she was a heroic and charming lady. Paul Nitin Garg wrote: The whole world might not agree. She was the colonial ruler of a lot of places which werent thrilled with the british rule :) On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:05:43PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Queen Mum, May she rest in peace. There goes one of the true heroes of the 20th Century. She stood tall when her people needed her most. As England stood alone against the German bombs she rallied her people by word and example. Great Britain, alas the whole world, owes a debt, to her and Churchill. The civilized world owes a debt to our greatest ally, England. G-d save the Queen Mum. May she rest in peace. Burt Yust NYC USA - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 02:12:21PM -0700, James Adams wrote: She didn't have a lot of choice in the matter, yes she married a Prince who was next in line to be King. Prior to King Edward's abdication, she had probably given little or no thought to becoming Queen Consort, or to taking on any of the titles that went with the job. Don't forget that after the English Civil War, it was Parliament that took on the role of governing the Colonies/Dominions. The Queens and Kings of the 20th/21st centuries are little more than a figureheads. Then she doesnt deserve the laurels either :) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The Queen Mum
Right and churchill (and many before him) was just the PM and the first colonizers were just businessmen and explorers, the british personnel in colonies were just poor sobs seeking employment far away from mother england. Nobody had anything todo with colonization and the aboriginals and red indians just happened to (almost) vanish. The riches of the colonies spontaneously moved to england on its own. On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 05:56:59PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: The Queen Mum wasn't the ruler of anything and had nothing to do with colonization. She was the wife of the King. And she was a heroic and charming lady. Paul Nitin Garg wrote: The whole world might not agree. She was the colonial ruler of a lot of places which werent thrilled with the british rule :) On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:05:43PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Queen Mum, May she rest in peace. There goes one of the true heroes of the 20th Century. She stood tall when her people needed her most. As England stood alone against the German bombs she rallied her people by word and example. Great Britain, alas the whole world, owes a debt, to her and Churchill. The civilized world owes a debt to our greatest ally, England. G-d save the Queen Mum. May she rest in peace. Burt Yust NYC USA - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The Queen Mum
Nitin wrote: Right, and Churchill ... snip ... riches of the colonies spontaneously moved to england on its own. C'mon. Let's please not get into dredging up accusations regarding things of the past - we are all where we are today (be that what it might be) due to the accumulated bits of history - the good, the bad the ugly combined. Bill - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The Queen Mum
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:39:59PM -0700, Bill D. Casselberry wrote: Nitin wrote: Right, and Churchill ... snip ... riches of the colonies spontaneously moved to england on its own. C'mon. Let's please not get into dredging up accusations regarding things of the past - we are all where we are today (be that what it might be) due to the accumulated bits of history - the good, the bad the ugly combined. Doesnt always work. Did the US govt say that to sept 11 and move on ? All I am saying is, not the whole world thinks of the queen mum as heroic or charming or whatever. There are people to whom she was (and justifiably so to themselves) the symbol of their continuing misery. To them it doesnt matter if she was charming and a well mannered polite person. For them her civilized behaviour only makes her uglier and disgusting in what she silently supported. So while many may rightly feel loss at her death, there are others in the world who are, again rightly, not at all unhappy about her death. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The Queen Mum
Nitin Garg wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:39:59PM -0700, Bill D. Casselberry wrote: Nitin wrote: Doesnt always work. Did the US govt say that to sept 11 and move on ? That has nothing to do with the death of a lady who was incidental to world politics. You are not thinking very clearly, Nitin. So while many may rightly feel loss at her death, there are others in the world who are, again rightly, not at all unhappy about her death. Only a mindless few. Paul - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The Queen Mum
Much of the United States was once part of the British Empire, ditto Australia and Canada. I don't think any of us feel that our years as subjects of the crown deprived us in any way. In fact, I believe that much of the prosperity and societal comfort that we enjoy today is a direct result of our British heritage. I think the same is true of many other former colonies, although a few of them may not be mature enough to realize it. Nor are some of their peoples. Paul Nitin Garg wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 09:00:52PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/9/2002 7:29:56 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All I am saying is, not the whole world thinks of the queen mum as heroic or charming or whatever. There are people to whom she was (and justifiably so to themselves) the symbol of their continuing misery. The majority of the colonies over which her husband was King-Emperor are, today, independent nations. The Queen Mother outlasted the Empire. I haven't been keeping up with world news lately, but haven't heard that the British colonial subjects in -- let's see, where are there still some? Bermuda? Cayman Islands? -- are all that miserable. I said *WAS*. A rape victim being healthy many years later doesnt mean she wasnt raped right ? Many arent going to stop hating bin laden 10 yrs down the road right ? Present colonial subjects being happy does not change the fact that (some) previous ones suffered. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The Queen Mum
Right, she just continued to let the blood being sucked out of holes made by her ancestors. Innocent little girl. On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:07:53PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: No, you're wrong again. The explorers, merchants and rulers all had a lot to do with colonization. The Queen Mum did not. Go back to school boy. And take a cold shower. Paul Nitin Garg wrote: Right and churchill (and many before him) was just the PM and the first colonizers were just businessmen and explorers, the british personnel in colonies were just poor sobs seeking employment far away from mother england. Nobody had anything todo with colonization and the aboriginals and red indians just happened to (almost) vanish. The riches of the colonies spontaneously moved to england on its own. On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 05:56:59PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: The Queen Mum wasn't the ruler of anything and had nothing to do with colonization. She was the wife of the King. And she was a heroic and charming lady. Paul Nitin Garg wrote: The whole world might not agree. She was the colonial ruler of a lot of places which werent thrilled with the british rule :) On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:05:43PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Queen Mum, May she rest in peace. There goes one of the true heroes of the 20th Century. She stood tall when her people needed her most. As England stood alone against the German bombs she rallied her people by word and example. Great Britain, alas the whole world, owes a debt, to her and Churchill. The civilized world owes a debt to our greatest ally, England. G-d save the Queen Mum. May she rest in peace. Burt Yust NYC USA - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The Queen Mum
I'd rather be ruled by the British Monarchy than by those who believe as you seem to. Give it a rest already. Sheesh! :-) Britain and the Allies saved the world from the likes of Hitler. Red-blooded American and PROUD. Robert - Original Message - From: Nitin Garg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:23 PM Subject: Re: The Queen Mum On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 09:00:52PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/9/2002 7:29:56 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All I am saying is, not the whole world thinks of the queen mum as heroic or charming or whatever. There are people to whom she was (and justifiably so to themselves) the symbol of their continuing misery. The majority of the colonies over which her husband was King-Emperor are, today, independent nations. The Queen Mother outlasted the Empire. I haven't been keeping up with world news lately, but haven't heard that the British colonial subjects in -- let's see, where are there still some? Bermuda? Cayman Islands? -- are all that miserable. I said *WAS*. A rape victim being healthy many years later doesnt mean she wasnt raped right ? Many arent going to stop hating bin laden 10 yrs down the road right ? Present colonial subjects being happy does not change the fact that (some) previous ones suffered. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The Queen Mum
Who was it that once said something to the effect that it's not what youth know, but rather that what they know just ain't so? On Tuesday 09 April 2002 09:26 pm, Nitin Garg wrote: Right, she just continued to let the blood being sucked out of holes made by her ancestors. Innocent little girl. -- Kenneth Archer, San Antonio, Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: The Queen Mum
KILL THIS THREAD. IT DOESNT BELONG HERE! JCO - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The Queen Mum
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:23:44PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: Much of the United States was once part of the British Empire, ditto Australia and Canada. I don't think any of us feel that our years as subjects of the crown deprived us in any way. Do red indians (native americans as they are now called) share the same opinion ? and australian aborignals ? I think the same is true of many other former colonies, although a few of them may not be mature enough to realize it. Nor are some of their peoples. This is probably a classic sign of a abuser who thinks the abused actually needs it and he/she is doing them a favor. I wonder if surviving families of those who died in the jalianwala bagh massacre would like to goto Dyer's grave and say thank you for saving us to him (yeah i know this didnt happen in mum's time but equivalent pain happened in all reigns). - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The Queen Mum
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:14:35PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: Nitin Garg wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:39:59PM -0700, Bill D. Casselberry wrote: Nitin wrote: Doesnt always work. Did the US govt say that to sept 11 and move on ? That has nothing to do with the death of a lady who was incidental to world politics. You are not thinking very clearly, Nitin. It has if u bother to stop and think about what it was said in response to. You dont always let go of something which happens saying oh, its becuase of a heap of history. No one thinks bin laden was a victim and pushed into terrorism (well maybe his supporters do). You hold him RESPONSIBLE for what he did. You dont say well so and so things happened in his life which made him do so but otherwise he is good man. So you cant say hey she just happened to become queen and her ancestors did all the colonization. She continued it and by that endorsed it. Even though one is not responsible for what was done in past but one can become a party to it depending upon how you choose to react to it. Some do remember what your predecessors did and DO hold you responsible (you can say its shouldnt be so, but if it is, it is). Sept 11 wouldnt have happened if no one was like that. No one is going to land a plane in buckingham palace but some do hold its present and past inhabitants responsible for a lot (even if it was done passively). So while many may rightly feel loss at her death, there are others in the world who are, again rightly, not at all unhappy about her death. Only a mindless few. Even if they indeed are few and are mindless, they exist and exist in this world. Which is what i said to begin with. Not everyone is sad to see her die. Also this is a dangerous classification to make. For eg, I KNOW a fair fraction of indians dont like british in general (and british authorities in particular). With a population of over a billion, that is NOT FEW (Its more than the population of US itself if I extrapolate from fractions I know). Second, calling them mindless is only refusing to try to see WHY they might have such an opinion. And that is only inviting disasters in future (like sept 11 was). One may wipe out taliban once but what about 20yrs down the line when their children grow up remembering the bombs that destroyed their lives ? Its likely they will grow up hating a lot of things (of course its possible to do something to prevent/control this). - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The Queen Mum
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:04:39PM -0400, Robert Woerner wrote: I'd rather be ruled by the British Monarchy than by those who believe as you seem to. Give it a rest already. Sheesh! :-) And what is it that i seem to believe ? Britain and the Allies saved the world from the likes of Hitler. And that absolves them of everything ? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: The Queen Mum
I don't know what was arrogant about the original message, but I find the mindless comments from Nitin offensive. Bob's message was a genuine and heart felt comment on someone whom he felt significant enough to share a personal farewell. Whether you liked her Nitin is irrelevant, you are insignificant, you know nothing about my country, you know nothing about her or her family. She made a significant impact on the lives of more people than you ever will. She was dear to many peoples around the world, and she is being given the honour and respect she deserves. She won't be forgotten, but what will your memorial be? Very little I suspect, you will be go like an insignificant fart in the wind. I was not going to say this, but were you born an asshole, or did you have to take a course. James Unsubscribing. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The Queen Mum
Thats a pointless cliche which doesnt change anything about the innocent little girl. On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 09:47:48PM -0500, Ken Archer wrote: Who was it that once said something to the effect that it's not what youth know, but rather that what they know just ain't so? On Tuesday 09 April 2002 09:26 pm, Nitin Garg wrote: Right, she just continued to let the blood being sucked out of holes made by her ancestors. Innocent little girl. -- Kenneth Archer, San Antonio, Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The Queen Mum
Just pull up your socks and send them nicely and pleasantly on their way. We did. No need to get upset. Just set your course and sail on. Otis Nitin Garg wrote: The whole world might not agree. She was the colonial ruler of a lot of places which werent thrilled with the british rule :) On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:05:43PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Queen Mum, May she rest in peace. There goes one of the true heroes of the 20th Century. She stood tall when her people needed her most. As England stood alone against the German bombs she rallied her people by word and example. Great Britain, alas the whole world, owes a debt, to her and Churchill. The civilized world owes a debt to our greatest ally, England. G-d save the Queen Mum. May she rest in peace. Burt Yust NYC USA - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The Queen Mum
Of course she made significant impact. Just that it was negative for some. My memorial, impact or remembrance is irrelevant. A single insignificant person never counts but a collection does. I am as small a fart (or maybe even smaller) than you are but lots of small farts together can be awfully stinking :) On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:33:10PM -0700, James Adams wrote: I don't know what was arrogant about the original message, but I find the mindless comments from Nitin offensive. Bob's message was a genuine and heart felt comment on someone whom he felt significant enough to share a personal farewell. Whether you liked her Nitin is irrelevant, you are insignificant, you know nothing about my country, you know nothing about her or her family. She made a significant impact on the lives of more people than you ever will. She was dear to many peoples around the world, and she is being given the honour and respect she deserves. She won't be forgotten, but what will your memorial be? Very little I suspect, you will be go like an insignificant fart in the wind. I was not going to say this, but were you born an asshole, or did you have to take a course. James Unsubscribing. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The Queen Mum
And yes, i dont know anything about your country, about her personal life or her family. That doenst change what happened to some colonial regions and the opinion of some people there. Similarly, you know nothing about my country and what people there went through. If you think stating that not everyone considered her dear is being an asshole then i rather be one :) On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:33:10PM -0700, James Adams wrote: I don't know what was arrogant about the original message, but I find the mindless comments from Nitin offensive. Bob's message was a genuine and heart felt comment on someone whom he felt significant enough to share a personal farewell. Whether you liked her Nitin is irrelevant, you are insignificant, you know nothing about my country, you know nothing about her or her family. She made a significant impact on the lives of more people than you ever will. She was dear to many peoples around the world, and she is being given the honour and respect she deserves. She won't be forgotten, but what will your memorial be? Very little I suspect, you will be go like an insignificant fart in the wind. I was not going to say this, but were you born an asshole, or did you have to take a course. James Unsubscribing. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The Queen Mum
SICK? Nitin Garg wrote: Right, she just continued to let the blood being sucked out of holes made by her ancestors. Innocent little girl. On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:07:53PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: No, you're wrong again. The explorers, merchants and rulers all had a lot to do with colonization. The Queen Mum did not. Go back to school boy. And take a cold shower. Paul Nitin Garg wrote: Right and churchill (and many before him) was just the PM and the first colonizers were just businessmen and explorers, the british personnel in colonies were just poor sobs seeking employment far away from mother england. Nobody had anything todo with colonization and the aboriginals and red indians just happened to (almost) vanish. The riches of the colonies spontaneously moved to england on its own. On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 05:56:59PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: The Queen Mum wasn't the ruler of anything and had nothing to do with colonization. She was the wife of the King. And she was a heroic and charming lady. Paul Nitin Garg wrote: The whole world might not agree. She was the colonial ruler of a lot of places which werent thrilled with the british rule :) On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:05:43PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Queen Mum, May she rest in peace. There goes one of the true heroes of the 20th Century. She stood tall when her people needed her most. As England stood alone against the German bombs she rallied her people by word and example. Great Britain, alas the whole world, owes a debt, to her and Churchill. The civilized world owes a debt to our greatest ally, England. G-d save the Queen Mum. May she rest in peace. Burt Yust NYC USA - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The Queen Mum
And there was nothing arrogant about the original message. Nor do I think its mindless to (politely) add on a mailing list that not everyone shares the sentiment. ok, ok, no more on this :) On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:33:10PM -0700, James Adams wrote: I don't know what was arrogant about the original message, but I find the mindless comments from Nitin offensive. Bob's message was a genuine and heart felt comment on someone whom he felt significant enough to share a personal farewell. Whether you liked her Nitin is irrelevant, you are insignificant, you know nothing about my country, you know nothing about her or her family. She made a significant impact on the lives of more people than you ever will. She was dear to many peoples around the world, and she is being given the honour and respect she deserves. She won't be forgotten, but what will your memorial be? Very little I suspect, you will be go like an insignificant fart in the wind. I was not going to say this, but were you born an asshole, or did you have to take a course. James Unsubscribing. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Pentax is what we have in common! (was RE: The Queen Mum )
James wrote: I don't know what was arrogant about the original message, but I find the mindless comments from Nitin offensive. Bob's message was a genuine and heart felt comment on someone whom he felt significant enough to share a personal farewell. [cut, snip] What was arrogant about the original message was the assumption that we all care to hear a heart felt comment about a member of the British royal family on this list. This is a mailing list about Pentax equipment and photography. We share a bond, but that doesn't mean that we agree (or indeed should agree) about anything else. Especially international history and politics. Obviously, some people here love the British Empire, and some hate the British Empire. But don't we all love Pentax gear? Let's get back to what bonds us together as an international community. Mark p.s., what's your favorite macro lens? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
