Re: studio light brand suggestions
From: Rob Studdert CFLs with integrated ballasts/electronics generally run at a higher frequency then the mains so that's generally not a problem. And from experience I would expect that cylindrical fluorescent tubes designed for photo-lights would likely be designed to exhibit persistence that negates the pulsing (as I haven't experienced it). Our ABC TV is state funded and generally has the best gear that's about, currently they run arrays of 2' tubes with LED as highlights for 1:1 interviews, colour balance is excellent and integrates perfectly with outside lighting. The wide shots below were shot using AWB on the *ist D and the portrait was shot using the K20D with a manual WB: http://picasaweb.google.com.au/distudio/Lighting?authkey=Gv1sRgCLzWi5ypt_r39QE# I've only got one real problem with the new fluorescent technology. My next school assignment is to shoot someone at a computer - lit by those horrible old green fluorescent lamps. REQUIRED to shoot daylight chrome film and color balance the strobe to match the fluorescent lamps with a green gel and correct the light with a magenta filter over the lens. I have all the appropriate gels and filters. But everybody's gone to the new technology and I can't find anyone still using the old nasty green ones. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If you like the Alien Bees, you should also like the White Lightnings. Manufactured by the same company. One thing to consider is the replacement cost for modeling lamps and flash tubes. The Alien Bees replacement tube is about half the cost of the tube for the Bowens monolights, and about 1/3 the cost of the Elinchrom tubes. However, none of these are TUNGSTEN lights. If you're thinking the old fashion style can lights with the slider that changes from spot to flood, those things are WAY EXPENSIVE. OTOH, you can probably get started with clamp on lights from Home Depot or Lowes. I'd make sure I got the ones with ceramic sockets to handle higher wattage bulbs. From: "Tanya Love" Elinchrom or Bowens are the only way to go if you are serious. That said, I've been shooting Alien Bees for years now and love them. They now have a distributor in Australia which is even better, and you can get the same features for half of the price of either of the aforementioned brands. PLUS, they come in PINK! Woohoo! Tan.x. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Christine Aguila Sent: Saturday, 5 June 2010 11:46 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: studio light brand suggestions Here's a question for folks shooting in studio conditions: Any particular *brand recommendations* for *continuous tungsten studio lights* to be used for portraiture? Thanks in advance. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: "Christine Nielsen" Subject: Re: studio light brand suggestions I quite like my Photogenics and would recommend anyone buying a serious set of lights to consider them. I'm new to the studio lights, but I will say that the photography school where I've been taking some workshops recently has Photogenics in their portrait studios. Considering they get used all day by full-time students, and then by hacks like me in the evening, they must be pretty good. My kit is 1bout 15 years old now, I can still get accessories for it, and everything works as if new. This is a set of lights that has not sat in a studio, it did road shows when I was shooting schools, it traveled for weddings, and has been banged around quite a bit. I think they might be a little more expensive than the others, but they are certainly very rugged. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> I quite like my Photogenics and would recommend anyone buying a serious set > of lights to consider them. > I'm new to the studio lights, but I will say that the photography school where I've been taking some workshops recently has Photogenics in their portrait studios. Considering they get used all day by full-time students, and then by hacks like me in the evening, they must be pretty good. -c -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 06/06/2010, Bruce Walker wrote: > Out of phase issues with the CFLs: hmmm, I hadn't heard anything about that, > but it certainly sounds like a valid concern. I'd imagine that would vary > widely by CFL make and the amount of coating used in the tube. > > Re LED stage lights: yes! I've had annoying problems with those myself. But > the ones that cause the big problems are the LED spots comprised of > alternating red, green and blue LED lamps that can be mixed by the > controller board to produce arbitrary colours. > > The new LED arrays that are sold for video shooting use uniform matched > "white" LEDs and are apparently very close to traditional Flash WB. CFLs with integrated ballasts/electronics generally run at a higher frequency then the mains so that's generally not a problem. And from experience I would expect that cylindrical fluorescent tubes designed for photo-lights would likely be designed to exhibit persistence that negates the pulsing (as I haven't experienced it). Our ABC TV is state funded and generally has the best gear that's about, currently they run arrays of 2' tubes with LED as highlights for 1:1 interviews, colour balance is excellent and integrates perfectly with outside lighting. The wide shots below were shot using AWB on the *ist D and the portrait was shot using the K20D with a manual WB: http://picasaweb.google.com.au/distudio/Lighting?authkey=Gv1sRgCLzWi5ypt_r39QE# -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: "Tanya Love" Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 5:30 PM To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" Subject: RE: studio light brand suggestions Elinchrom or Bowens are the only way to go if you are serious. Do you remember how patient I was with you when you first joined? ;-) Both of those brands are good, and for the life of me, I don't remember why I eschewed them. I quite like my Photogenics and would recommend anyone buying a serious set of lights to consider them. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Elinchrom or Bowens are the only way to go if you are serious. That said, I've been shooting Alien Bees for years now and love them. They now have a distributor in Australia which is even better, and you can get the same features for half of the price of either of the aforementioned brands. PLUS, they come in PINK! Woohoo! Tan.x. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Christine Aguila Sent: Saturday, 5 June 2010 11:46 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: studio light brand suggestions Here's a question for folks shooting in studio conditions: Any particular *brand recommendations* for *continuous tungsten studio lights* to be used for portraiture? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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For continuous light, I tend to buy clamp lights from the hardware store. Relatively inexpensive, easy to replace and almost infinitely versatile in their placement. I have been extremely impressed with the service at Paul C Buff / alienbee. When a bulb went out on one of my white lightnings, the replacement bulb was something like $10 or $20. When one of my 20+ year old white lightnings went out, and they couldn't repair it, they let me buy a current model for half of list price. On Jun 6, 2010, at 1:13 AM, John Whittingham wrote: > Hi Christine, > > I'm no expert on studio lighting, prefering to work with natural light, but I > have to order the lighting for my employers studio. The general consensus > here in the Uk is to use Bowens, I've bought Bowens Gemini 250R kits, they're > pretty good value, quite comprehensive and reasonably robust. The bulbs have > a limited life and are expensive to replace, spares are also expensive: > > http://www.bowens.co.uk/content/pages/gemini250r.html > > I've just had to order some more lighting and decided to take a chance on the > following: > > http://www.srsmicrosystems.co.uk/4710/Pro-Line-Apollo-300-Creative-Studio-Lighting-Kit.html > > Only time will tell if I made a good decision. > > Best regards, > > John > > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Christine > Aguila [cagu...@earthlink.net] > Sent: 05 June 2010 14:45 > To: pdml@pdml.net > Subject: studio light brand suggestions [Scanned][Spam score:8%] > > Here's a question for folks shooting in studio conditions: > > Any particular *brand recommendations* for *continuous tungsten studio > lights* to be used for portraiture? > > Thanks in advance. > Cheers, Christine > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi Christine, I'm no expert on studio lighting, prefering to work with natural light, but I have to order the lighting for my employers studio. The general consensus here in the Uk is to use Bowens, I've bought Bowens Gemini 250R kits, they're pretty good value, quite comprehensive and reasonably robust. The bulbs have a limited life and are expensive to replace, spares are also expensive: http://www.bowens.co.uk/content/pages/gemini250r.html I've just had to order some more lighting and decided to take a chance on the following: http://www.srsmicrosystems.co.uk/4710/Pro-Line-Apollo-300-Creative-Studio-Lighting-Kit.html Only time will tell if I made a good decision. Best regards, John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Christine Aguila [cagu...@earthlink.net] Sent: 05 June 2010 14:45 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: studio light brand suggestions [Scanned][Spam score:8%] Here's a question for folks shooting in studio conditions: Any particular *brand recommendations* for *continuous tungsten studio lights* to be used for portraiture? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I try to avoid taking portraits, but I've been using two Verilux lamps that I was given for personal use reading... I tilt them up and tape a piece of white paper loosely around them for softness... they last forever , don't produce a lot of heat and seem to be fine for the job - in conjunction, I'll admit, with lightfrom my window... I use a backdrop of white foam core that is three sided and sometimes drape stuff over it... The good thing is, these are multi-purpose , energy smart and won't roast your subject... But I'm certainly no expert on studio stuff Ann Christine Aguila wrote: Here's a question for folks shooting in studio conditions: Any particular *brand recommendations* for *continuous tungsten studio lights* to be used for portraiture? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: "Bruce Walker" Subject: Re: studio light brand suggestions Out of phase issues with the CFLs: hmmm, I hadn't heard anything about that, but it certainly sounds like a valid concern. I'd imagine that would vary widely by CFL make and the amount of coating used in the tube. I'm basing this on the number of times I've seen wonky white balance and that sort of thing while shooting under florescent lighting. I don't know for a fact that CFL lights work the same as 8' tubes, but I also don't see why they wouldn't. The new LED arrays that are sold for video shooting use uniform matched "white" LEDs and are apparently very close to traditional Flash WB. One should learn something new every day. Thank you, it's early yet and I have succeeded. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: -- From: "Bruce Walker" Subject: Re: studio light brand suggestions The latest trend in hotlights seems to be clusters of CFLs, so not so much heat any more. The other trend is LEDs but they are *really* expensive for an equivalent amount of light. My concern with CFLs is getting out of phase lighting, which can be a problem if you want to shoot at higher shutter speeds than 1/30 second (in NA, anyway, it might be different in OZ if the power cycles different from here). I've heard of people having atrocious white balance problems with LEDs (stage lights) because they are such very narrow spectrum lights. William Robb Out of phase issues with the CFLs: hmmm, I hadn't heard anything about that, but it certainly sounds like a valid concern. I'd imagine that would vary widely by CFL make and the amount of coating used in the tube. Re LED stage lights: yes! I've had annoying problems with those myself. But the ones that cause the big problems are the LED spots comprised of alternating red, green and blue LED lamps that can be mixed by the controller board to produce arbitrary colours. The new LED arrays that are sold for video shooting use uniform matched "white" LEDs and are apparently very close to traditional Flash WB. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: "mike wilson" Subject: Re: studio light brand suggestions > P.S. I suspect they mill be much more expensive to run. Wouldn't even be on the radar. Electricity is not an expensive commodity in North America, and I expect with hot lights, the price of admission compared to studio strobes would mean they would always be cheaper to operate. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: "Bruce Walker" Subject: Re: studio light brand suggestions The latest trend in hotlights seems to be clusters of CFLs, so not so much heat any more. The other trend is LEDs but they are *really* expensive for an equivalent amount of light. My concern with CFLs is getting out of phase lighting, which can be a problem if you want to shoot at higher shutter speeds than 1/30 second (in NA, anyway, it might be different in OZ if the power cycles different from here). I've heard of people having atrocious white balance problems with LEDs (stage lights) because they are such very narrow spectrum lights. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Christine Aguila wrote: Here's a question for folks shooting in studio conditions: Any particular *brand recommendations* for *continuous tungsten studio lights* to be used for portraiture? P.S. I suspect they mill be much more expensive to run. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Christine Aguila wrote: *continuous tungsten studio lights* You dislike your subjects _that_ much? Or are you doing winter nudes? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: -- From: "Christine Aguila" Here's a question for folks shooting in studio conditions: Any particular *brand recommendations* for *continuous tungsten studio lights* to be used for portraiture? What Bruce said. The Alien Bees have a decent reputation, I prefer Photogenic, though I think they are somewhat more expensive. Honestly, if I was stuck on the idea of using halogen hot lights, I'd head down to my local Home Depot and see what they had for jobsite lights (though my store only has not so compact fluorescents now). William Robb The latest trend in hotlights seems to be clusters of CFLs, so not so much heat any more. The other trend is LEDs but they are *really* expensive for an equivalent amount of light. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: "Christine Aguila" Here's a question for folks shooting in studio conditions: Any particular *brand recommendations* for *continuous tungsten studio lights* to be used for portraiture? What Bruce said. The Alien Bees have a decent reputation, I prefer Photogenic, though I think they are somewhat more expensive. Honestly, if I was stuck on the idea of using halogen hot lights, I'd head down to my local Home Depot and see what they had for jobsite lights (though my store only has not so compact fluorescents now). William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> Here's a question for folks shooting in studio conditions: > > Any particular *brand recommendations* for *continuous tungsten studio > lights* to be used for portraiture? > Bowens seems to be the choice of pros. Like Nikon, and Canon... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hello Christine, Sorry, I can't help. I shoot with Alien Bees monolights. They seem to be about the best bang for the buck. Pretty much the features of the big boys, but not quite the duty cycle. So if you are a part timer, they work very well. If you are going to use them day in/day out for years, they probably wouldn't hold up. But they are priced accordingly. My experience with hot lights is that they are very uncomfortable to work with and the bulbs don't last long and they shift color temperature over the life of the bulb. For B&W the color shift is no big deal, but for color work, it can be bothersome. -- Best regards, Bruce Saturday, June 5, 2010, 6:45:56 AM, you wrote: CA> Here's a question for folks shooting in studio conditions: CA> Any particular *brand recommendations* for *continuous tungsten studio CA> lights* to be used for portraiture? CA> Thanks in advance. CA> Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
