Re: Shooting baskteball game. Help needed.
Hi! C> Depends on lighting type. Sodium discharge lamps are revolting and have a C> colour temp at something ridiculous like 2.5K - yuck. Flourescent C> lighting is better but far from ideal. I would not use flash ever in a C> sports tournament, ever. Even a friendly between amateurs, it's just bad form. Since this is my co-workers who's gonna be playing, I just asked each of them personally, would they not mind if I shot them with flash. All, no exception agreed to flash. At worst, they would just have to kindly ask me to put flash away. I am bringing 200 film (sorry, no faster film in this fridge, and they won't accept TMAX 400 for an answer), K24, FA 50, Tak B 135 (all quite fast lenses) and one of the folks brings 75-210 or so/3.8 by Sigma just in case. I am taking my ZX-L, and AF 220T flash that I borrowed. This is the best I could come up with. Now everything is in the hands of my fellows. Well, actually, everything now depends on the ball... If the outcome would be worthy I would post some of the shots for your amusement. You've been quite a helpful bunch, as usual. May the (light) force be with me... Boris
Re: Shooting baskteball game. Help needed.
I shot basketball back in the days when I was a high school teacher. I used to shoot from the floor with high speed black and white film and a normal lens or an 80mm. Most gyms have more than enough light to give you f4 a 1/250 with 1600 asa film. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Few, if any photographers come anywhere near eye level to most NBA players... > > BR > > >From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > But direct flash at eye level on the playing floor would be a definite > no-no in my book..
RE: Shooting baskteball game. Help needed.
LOL Have you met Cotty? Plus someone in the first row of seats may be at that kinda level, and pretty close to the players too. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 10 November 2003 17:48 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Shooting baskteball game. Help needed. > > > Few, if any photographers come anywhere near eye level to > most NBA players... > > BR > > >From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > But direct flash at eye level on the playing floor would be a > definite no-no in my book.. > >
Re: Shooting baskteball game. Help needed.
Few, if any photographers come anywhere near eye level to most NBA players... BR >From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> But direct flash at eye level on the playing floor would be a definite no-no in my book..
Re: Shooting baskteball game. Help needed.
On 9/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >From what I've read, for Pro games (which are played in much better lit >arenas), still shooters set up multiple radio slaved flashes in the >rafters/cat walks above the court. Now the pro players may be used to flash, >and anyway, most wildlife and athletes don't seem to notice flashs. > >BR > >From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I would not use flash ever in a >sports tournament, ever. Even a friendly between amateurs, it's just bad >form. I must be honest and say that I have never photographed a basketball match, either pro or am , and so the protocols may well allow flash. I would be astonished if they did from the touchline or whatever line it's called in basketball. Slaved flash going off from above or bounced may well present less of a distraction to players - after all, fans sit in the stands flashing left, right and centre - so they have to cope with that. But direct flash at eye level on the playing floor would be a definite no-no in my book.. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Shooting baskteball game. Help needed.
This is true for the big time shooters and the team guys. The strobes are usually way up there (100+feet). They aren't really obtrusive when you're watching the game but can be REALLY annoying when the guys are testing them and firing like crazy for ever while walking the floor with a meter. Cory Waters - Original Message - From: "Bruce Rubenstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 7:59 PM Subject: Re: Shooting baskteball game. Help needed. > From what I've read, for Pro games (which are played in much better lit > arenas), still shooters set up multiple radio slaved flashes in the > rafters/cat walks above the court. Now the pro players may be used to flash, > and anyway, most wildlife and athletes don't seem to notice flashs. > > BR > > From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I would not use flash ever in a > sports tournament, ever. Even a friendly between amateurs, it's just bad > form. > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.536 / Virus Database: 331 - Release Date: 11/5/2003
Re: Shooting baskteball game. Help needed.
>From what I've read, for Pro games (which are played in much better lit arenas), still shooters set up multiple radio slaved flashes in the rafters/cat walks above the court. Now the pro players may be used to flash, and anyway, most wildlife and athletes don't seem to notice flashs. BR From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would not use flash ever in a sports tournament, ever. Even a friendly between amateurs, it's just bad form.
RE: Shooting baskteball game. Help needed.
Hi Boris, If you have a moderately powerful auxiliary flash, and can use it without disturbing the game that may be preferable. Otherwise, you will have to use very high speed film if you want any chance to stop action. The last time I shot a (college) basketball game I was using the now defunct Konica 3200 speed film (no flash) with a 70-210 3.5-4.5 lens. Most of the night I was shooting 1/125-1/250 wide open, and the gym was well lit. The built in flash on most cameras are too weak to be of use. If you do use flash I would go with 400 speed film and the 2 zooms. If you are shooting without flash I would get some Fuji 1600 and add the 50mm lens to the arsenal. If the 135 is significantly faster then the zooms, add that also. Try to catch action when it peaks. Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian)
Re: Shooting baskteball game. Help needed.
> On 9/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: > > >I am invited to be a video/photo shooter on our companies weekly > >basketball games. Since I have no experience whatsoever in shooting > >things like that, I have my share of questions (only for photo part > >though): > Fast film and fast lens. Obviously you won't have time to change lenses, > so think of at least 2 bodies. One with the 24mm on - you can effectively > wave it about under the net almost, shooting from the hip, or the ground, > pre-focussed, get some wide wacky perspectives. The 70-200 will be good > for when the pack is down at the far end. Personally I wouldn't bother > with body number three, but you could always use a fast 50mm for mid > shots, close to. Or alternate bodies for film changing - have an > assistant changing the film, providing you with freshly loaded bodies as > a matter of course. I have had reasonable success with the Fuji 1600 iso colour film.Grainy but in a good way.I think Cotty is on the right track(court??)1 body with zoom and 1 with shorter lens for action near you. > > > >3. Technique - pre-focus is necessary I think. As for exposure - > >either flash, or 1/125 or so speed and whatever aperture the light > >gives... Any other, more educated, suggestions? Pan.Pan.Pan.:-) > > Available light, 800 ISO, maybe even higher! The 70-200 will need a > faster speed, brace the camera by leaning on something (near post?) when > using it. The wide lens obviously can use slower speed - why not > experiment - try 1/15th or even 1/8th for some interesting blurry action > effects? > > Extra - for a team shot why not get some ladders and get above the net > and get the players crowded around underneath looking up at the camera, > one sticking the ball in (use flash here obviously)... Or a tall friend? Dave > > HTH, > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__ > || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche > ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps > _ > Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk >
Re: Shooting baskteball game. Help needed.
On 9/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >I am invited to be a video/photo shooter on our companies weekly >basketball games. Since I have no experience whatsoever in shooting >things like that, I have my share of questions (only for photo part >though): > >1. Do I need flash, or is window light and hall lights are going to be >enough? Depends on lighting type. Sodium discharge lamps are revolting and have a colour temp at something ridiculous like 2.5K - yuck. Flourescent lighting is better but far from ideal. I would not use flash ever in a sports tournament, ever. Even a friendly between amateurs, it's just bad form. > >2. Which lens(es)? My choice is 24, 35, 50, 135, 28-135, and 70-200. >The ultimate goal is probably no more than 10x15 (cm, not inches) >prints, so that I think I would do it handheld. Also I would be able >to get quite close to the players, since these are my co-workers, but >not too close of course . Fast film and fast lens. Obviously you won't have time to change lenses, so think of at least 2 bodies. One with the 24mm on - you can effectively wave it about under the net almost, shooting from the hip, or the ground, pre-focussed, get some wide wacky perspectives. The 70-200 will be good for when the pack is down at the far end. Personally I wouldn't bother with body number three, but you could always use a fast 50mm for mid shots, close to. Or alternate bodies for film changing - have an assistant changing the film, providing you with freshly loaded bodies as a matter of course. > >3. Technique - pre-focus is necessary I think. As for exposure - >either flash, or 1/125 or so speed and whatever aperture the light >gives... Any other, more educated, suggestions? Available light, 800 ISO, maybe even higher! The 70-200 will need a faster speed, brace the camera by leaning on something (near post?) when using it. The wide lens obviously can use slower speed - why not experiment - try 1/15th or even 1/8th for some interesting blurry action effects? Extra - for a team shot why not get some ladders and get above the net and get the players crowded around underneath looking up at the camera, one sticking the ball in (use flash here obviously)... HTH, Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: Shooting baskteball game. Help needed.
Boris, 1) Go the the basketball court tonight or tomorrow night and check the lighting. Flash is probably not welcome from the sidelines or down underneath either basket. It's probably not welcome anywhere and you'll need ASA 800 speed films. 2) I'd use prime lenses indoors, probably the 50mm and maybe 135mm or 35mm. >From the sidelines, you will be quite close to the action. 3) Prefocus on the basket area as there is a lot of action there. Watch the players. They often have favorite spots to shoot from and will return there again and again. Good luck, covering action in dim light is really difficult. Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I am invited to be a video/photo shooter on our companies weekly > basketball games. Since I have no experience whatsoever in shooting > things like that, I have my share of questions (only for photo part > though): > > 1. Do I need flash, or is window light and hall lights are going to be > enough? > > 2. Which lens(es)? My choice is 24, 35, 50, 135, 28-135, and 70-200. > The ultimate goal is probably no more than 10x15 (cm, not inches) > prints, so that I think I would do it handheld. Also I would be able > to get quite close to the players, since these are my co-workers, but > not too close of course . > > 3. Technique - pre-focus is necessary I think. As for exposure - > either flash, or 1/125 or so speed and whatever aperture the light > gives... Any other, more educated, suggestions?
Shooting baskteball game. Help needed.
Hi! I am invited to be a video/photo shooter on our companies weekly basketball games. Since I have no experience whatsoever in shooting things like that, I have my share of questions (only for photo part though): 1. Do I need flash, or is window light and hall lights are going to be enough? 2. Which lens(es)? My choice is 24, 35, 50, 135, 28-135, and 70-200. The ultimate goal is probably no more than 10x15 (cm, not inches) prints, so that I think I would do it handheld. Also I would be able to get quite close to the players, since these are my co-workers, but not too close of course . 3. Technique - pre-focus is necessary I think. As for exposure - either flash, or 1/125 or so speed and whatever aperture the light gives... Any other, more educated, suggestions? All help is greatly appreciated. This week's game is on Tue. Thanks in advance. Boris
