Re: New Pentax software and K10D firmware
Hi Dario, I noticed that as well. Also Remote assistant and a new version of Photo Browser are available. See: http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/ Cheers, Bob Rapp (Playing with MY K10D that came today) - Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 8:39 PM Subject: New Pentax software and K10D firmware http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/support/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Pentax software and K10D firmware
Does anyone know if this version of Remote Assistant breaks with other Pentax cameras? I have the previous version that controls the *ist-D, (and has limited functionality with the *ist-Ds), installed and I don't want to lose that. Bob Rapp wrote: Hi Dario, I noticed that as well. Also Remote assistant and a new version of Photo Browser are available. See: http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/ Cheers, Bob Rapp (Playing with MY K10D that came today) - Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 8:39 PM Subject: New Pentax software and K10D firmware http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/support/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Pentax software and K10D firmware
P. J. Alling a écrit : Does anyone know if this version of Remote Assistant breaks with other Pentax cameras? I have the previous version that controls the *ist-D, (and has limited functionality with the *ist-Ds), installed and I don't want to lose that. Remote Assistant panel is designed for K10D. And: http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/support/digital/remoteassistant_k10d_win.html Say: ... This software can be used with K10D (Version1.20 or later) only. ... Michel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Pentax software and K10D firmware
Pentax also says that Remote Assistant 1.0 won't work with the *ist-Ds and I know it will. I'm asking for empirical evidence from someone who owns both cameras. Michel Carrère-Gée wrote: P. J. Alling a écrit : Does anyone know if this version of Remote Assistant breaks with other Pentax cameras? I have the previous version that controls the *ist-D, (and has limited functionality with the *ist-Ds), installed and I don't want to lose that. Remote Assistant panel is designed for K10D. And: http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/support/digital/remoteassistant_k10d_win.html Say: ... This software can be used with K10D (Version1.20 or later) only. ... Michel -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Pentax software and K10D firmware
I find Ricehigh to be quite annoying, I don't know if it's his poor English language skills or his Emily Latella ability to rant about an injustice that Pentax may or may not have perpetrated on their poor customer base, or his technically suspect tests that reach some just incredible conclusions, sometimes 180° removed from actual experience. The only real difference is that he doesn't say nevermind. For example he claims that the newest release of Pentax Photo Browser and Photo Lab are meant for only K10D users. However they work just fine with files produced by the *ist-D and Ds. He can't fathom that the problem is just words on a page, probably just a poor Japanese to English translation. In fact the Pentax USA download site for the *ist-D allows you do download exactly the same restricted software. Pentax even removed the requirement that your original CD be in a drive. With friends like him Pentax doesn't need enemies. Bob Rapp wrote: Hi Dario, I noticed that as well. Also Remote assistant and a new version of Photo Browser are available. See: http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/ Cheers, Bob Rapp (Playing with MY K10D that came today) - Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 8:39 PM Subject: New Pentax software and K10D firmware http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/support/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Pentax software and K10D firmware
On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 12:39:46PM +0200, Dario Bonazza wrote: http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/support/ Thanks, Dario. Brief summary: It's the release of the Remote Assistant software for the K10D - this necessitates a firmware upgrade. Apart from that there's no new functionality (or, at least, none documented). The Remote Assistant is for Windows only - there's no Mac version. There's also a RAW (PEF) codec for Windows Vista. Is this new? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Pentax software and K10D firmware
[PENTAX Photo Browser 3 (Version3.11)] PENTAX REMOTE Assistant 3 for K10D and PENTAX REMOTE Assistant 1 for *istD can be switched from Browser. SMC PENTAX-DA 16-50 F2.8ED AL[IF] SDM can be displayed with Version 3.11.--- Windows/Macintosh SMC PENTAX-DA 50-135 F2.8ED [IF] SDM can be displayed with Version 3.11.--- Windows/Macintosh Source: http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/support/digital/photo310.html I suppose it is not a problem. 2007/4/26, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone know if this version of Remote Assistant breaks with other Pentax cameras? I have the previous version that controls the *ist-D, (and has limited functionality with the *ist-Ds), installed and I don't want to lose that. Bob Rapp wrote: Hi Dario, I noticed that as well. Also Remote assistant and a new version of Photo Browser are available. See: http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/ Cheers, Bob Rapp (Playing with MY K10D that came today) - Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 8:39 PM Subject: New Pentax software and K10D firmware http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/support/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Pentax software and K10D firmware
RiceHigh is indeed an annoying persion, at least when he was on DPReiew forum. He's kind of Plot Theory guy. Probably everything this guy don't like comes from a plot somewhere from someone ... bleh... -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Pentax software and K10D firmware
There's also a RAW (PEF) codec for Windows Vista. Is this new? Yes, same date as other new softwares. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Pentax software and K10D firmware
Yes and no, Pentax does not support it with the DS because some function do not work with it. Some do well however. 2007/4/26, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Pentax also says that Remote Assistant 1.0 won't work with the *ist-Ds and I know it will. I'm asking for empirical evidence from someone who owns both cameras. Michel Carrère-Gée wrote: P. J. Alling a écrit : Does anyone know if this version of Remote Assistant breaks with other Pentax cameras? I have the previous version that controls the *ist-D, (and has limited functionality with the *ist-Ds), installed and I don't want to lose that. Remote Assistant panel is designed for K10D. And: http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/support/digital/remoteassistant_k10d_win.html Say: ... This software can be used with K10D (Version1.20 or later) only. ... Michel -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Pentax software and K10D firmware
I'm glad you understand what that means, I'm not so sure... Thibouille wrote: [PENTAX Photo Browser 3 (Version3.11)] PENTAX REMOTE Assistant 3 for K10D and PENTAX REMOTE Assistant 1 for *istD can be switched from Browser. SMC PENTAX-DA 16-50 F2.8ED AL[IF] SDM can be displayed with Version 3.11.--- Windows/Macintosh SMC PENTAX-DA 50-135 F2.8ED [IF] SDM can be displayed with Version 3.11.--- Windows/Macintosh Source: http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/support/digital/photo310.html I suppose it is not a problem. 2007/4/26, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone know if this version of Remote Assistant breaks with other Pentax cameras? I have the previous version that controls the *ist-D, (and has limited functionality with the *ist-Ds), installed and I don't want to lose that. Bob Rapp wrote: Hi Dario, I noticed that as well. Also Remote assistant and a new version of Photo Browser are available. See: http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/ Cheers, Bob Rapp (Playing with MY K10D that came today) - Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 8:39 PM Subject: New Pentax software and K10D firmware http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/support/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Pentax software and K10D firmware
IMO it means the browser allow access to both Remote Assistant version. But then this is bad translation from Japanese to English to French to English so ... ;) 2007/4/26, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm glad you understand what that means, I'm not so sure... Thibouille wrote: [PENTAX Photo Browser 3 (Version3.11)] PENTAX REMOTE Assistant 3 for K10D and PENTAX REMOTE Assistant 1 for *istD can be switched from Browser. SMC PENTAX-DA 16-50 F2.8ED AL[IF] SDM can be displayed with Version 3.11.--- Windows/Macintosh SMC PENTAX-DA 50-135 F2.8ED [IF] SDM can be displayed with Version 3.11.--- Windows/Macintosh Source: http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/support/digital/photo310.html I suppose it is not a problem. 2007/4/26, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone know if this version of Remote Assistant breaks with other Pentax cameras? I have the previous version that controls the *ist-D, (and has limited functionality with the *ist-Ds), installed and I don't want to lose that. Bob Rapp wrote: Hi Dario, I noticed that as well. Also Remote assistant and a new version of Photo Browser are available. See: http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/ Cheers, Bob Rapp (Playing with MY K10D that came today) - Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 8:39 PM Subject: New Pentax software and K10D firmware http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/support/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Pentax software and K10D firmware
On 27/04/07, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO it means the browser allow access to both Remote Assistant version. Yes, basically it means that both Pentax Remote Assistant and Pentax Remote Assistant 3 can co-exist on the one Windows installation. I have both applications open at the moment though neither is connected to a camera. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Pentax Glass
Hi The lens roadmap shows a 55-300 in the pipleine.. Does anyone know whether this will be an SDM lens ? -- Regards Patrick Genovese - Patrick, I believe we don't know yet. It seems that this lens will be a complement to the forthcoming 17-70. If both of those are consumer lenses, then the 55-300 probably won't be SDM. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ...
See Yoshihiko's site: http://www.takinami.com/yoshihiko/photo/lens_test/pentax_28-30.html Henk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pawel Bartuzi Sent: 13 March, 2007 8:36 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ... Jim King wrote: Today I captured the last of the eleven Pentax K-mount 28mm lenses (the K28/2) to complete that part of my collection. I now have all That is the one lens I also acquired recently although I am in no way a collector with only 11 Pentax lenses total. :-) The K 28/2 comments are rather scarce - there was a thread about it recently but it quickly deteriorated into some kind of a off-topis discussion... What is general opinion about K 28/2 in relation to other 28 mm lenses? Pawel __ __ .com = 9,90, .pl = 29,90 www.nazwa.pl -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ...
Jim King wrote: Today I captured the last of the eleven Pentax K-mount 28mm lenses (the K28/2) to complete that part of my collection. I now have all That is the one lens I also acquired recently although I am in no way a collector with only 11 Pentax lenses total. :-) The K 28/2 comments are rather scarce - there was a thread about it recently but it quickly deteriorated into some kind of a off-topis discussion... What is general opinion about K 28/2 in relation to other 28 mm lenses? Pawel .com = 9,90, .pl = 29,90 www.nazwa.pl -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ...
That is the one lens I also acquired recently although I am in no way a collector with only 11 Pentax lenses total. :-) The K 28/2 comments are rather scarce - there was a thread about it recently but it quickly deteriorated into some kind of a off-topis discussion... What is general opinion about K 28/2 in relation to other 28 mm lenses? It's a very good lens at all apertures. Whether it's better at smaller apertures than other Pentax 28s I don't know, but it is a top-performing lens. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ...
I own what must be considered the least desirable 28mm, the non SMC A-Takumar 28.mm 2.8. I will make some test photos with the K10D tomorrow in Zurich and can post samples if you like. greetings Markus -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob W Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 10:02 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ... That is the one lens I also acquired recently although I am in no way a collector with only 11 Pentax lenses total. :-) The K 28/2 comments are rather scarce - there was a thread about it recently but it quickly deteriorated into some kind of a off-topis discussion... What is general opinion about K 28/2 in relation to other 28 mm lenses? It's a very good lens at all apertures. Whether it's better at smaller apertures than other Pentax 28s I don't know, but it is a top-performing lens. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ...
Pawel Bartuzi wrote on Tue Mar 13 15:35:37 EDT 2007: Jim King wrote: Today I captured the last of the eleven Pentax K-mount 28mm lenses (the K28/2) to complete that part of my collection... That is the one lens I also acquired recently although I am in no way a collector with only 11 Pentax lenses total. :-) The K 28/2 comments are rather scarce - there was a thread about it recently but it quickly deteriorated into some kind of a off-topis discussion... What is general opinion about K 28/2 in relation to other 28 mm lenses? Takinami-san rates it at the top of the Pentax 28mm heap in his comparison of 28mm lenses on Stan Halpin's site, equal to the K28/3.5, which is high praise indeed: My personal ranking for Pentax 28m lenses are follows; K28/3.5, K28/2 = M28/3.5 = FA28/2.8AL M28/2.8 (old) M28/2.8 (later), A28/2.8, F28/2.8 I haven't received my copy yet so I can't share my personal opinion. Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ...
I cant really see any difference between the performance of the K28/3.5 and the M28/3.5. I know that they are optically different. Takinami-san rates it at the top of the Pentax 28mm heap in his comparison of 28mm lenses on Stan Halpin's site, equal to the K28/3.5, which is high praise indeed: My personal ranking for Pentax 28m lenses are follows; K28/3.5, K28/2 = M28/3.5 = FA28/2.8AL M28/2.8 (old) M28/2.8 (later), A28/2.8, F28/2.8 I haven't received my copy yet so I can't share my personal opinion. Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ...
Personally, I've had the A and FA 28/2.8s. The FA is excellent throughout, the A is a little soft wide open. Both are at their best around f/4.5-5.6 (two stops down from wide open), and both have wonderful rendering qualities. G On Mar 13, 2007, at 8:00 PM, Paul wrote: I cant really see any difference between the performance of the K28/3.5 and the M28/3.5. I know that they are optically different. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ...
So much for memory LOL Although I was reasonably close - what do they say, Close enough for government work LOL Did I at least get the time frame right? Shel [Original Message] From: Jim King [EMAIL PROTECTED] I sold my A28/2.0 about 1.5 years ago. It had a very slight dent in the area where the filter screws on, but not enough to prevent the filter or lens hood from working properly. I sold it for about $385.00, IIRC - certainly more than $350.00. Actually it was $340 including shipping - I was the one you sold it to. At the time I thought it was a bit expensive but knowing the seller I figured it was probably priced fairly. Given its rarity and subsequent increase in the market price maybe it wasn't a bad deal after all! The filter ring is now as good as new; a few taps with a mallet and a wooden dowel put everything right. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Pentax Ad Campaign
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:57:00 -0700, Joseph Tainter wrote http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2007/03/youre-pentaxian-branding- campaign.html Joe ..shake-reduction theme coffee-sleeves. Loveit 8) John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Pentax Ad Campaign
Joseph Tainter wrote: http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2007/03/youre-pentaxian-branding-campaign.html Joe Oh... my... god... They actually read this list. The t-shirt is awesome and describes this list to a ummm t -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Pentax Ad Campaign
Pentaxians is in the mainstream? That's hilarious! And, BTW, the 31mm f1.8 LTD IS the best prime lens ever made. -Brendan --- John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:57:00 -0700, Joseph Tainter wrote http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2007/03/youre-pentaxian-branding- campaign.html Joe ..shake-reduction theme coffee-sleeves. Loveit 8) John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ...
Shel Belinkoff wrote on Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:25:29 -0800 So much for memory LOL Although I was reasonably close - what do they say, Close enough for government work LOL Did I at least get the time frame right? Yep, the check was dated June 29, 2005 - certainly better than a lot of government work, in my experience! BTW, I did a little rechecking and my claim to have all the Pentax K- mount 135s is premature - I still need to find copies of the F135/2.8 and the K135/3.5. Don't know how I missed that! Patience, I must have patience, they will show up eventually... (I keep telling myself) Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Pentax Ad Campaign
http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2007/03/youre-pentaxian-branding-campaign.html Wow! What a cool and amusing campaign. I want one of those shirts! If those ads don't get people's attention, I don't know what will. John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Pentax Ad Campaign
On 3/12/07, Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2007/03/youre-pentaxian-branding-campaign.html I wonder if we can get a few dozen of those T-Shirts in time for Grandfather Mountain. (Nico? You lurking out there?) -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ...
BTW, I did a little rechecking and my claim to have all the Pentax K- mount 135s is premature - I still need to find copies of the F135/2.8 and the K135/3.5. Don't know how I missed that! Patience, I must have patience, they will show up eventually... (I keep telling myself) Regards, Jim - The F 135 F2.8 shows up about twice a year. I think sometimes about getting that one myself. Jim, what will you do once you have every Pentax lens? Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Pentax Ad Campaign
Joseph Tainter wrote: http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2007/03/youre-pentaxian-branding-campaign.html Sounds like something to run away from at top speed. This is interesting, though: http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2007/01/k10d-waterhousing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ...
I have a K 135 f3.5. How much do want to pay for it. (I never use it, if I want something light I grab the M 120mm and if I want a 135 I grab the K 2.5). It really needs a good home where it will be appreciated. Jim King wrote: Shel Belinkoff wrote on Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:25:29 -0800 So much for memory LOL Although I was reasonably close - what do they say, Close enough for government work LOL Did I at least get the time frame right? Yep, the check was dated June 29, 2005 - certainly better than a lot of government work, in my experience! BTW, I did a little rechecking and my claim to have all the Pentax K- mount 135s is premature - I still need to find copies of the F135/2.8 and the K135/3.5. Don't know how I missed that! Patience, I must have patience, they will show up eventually... (I keep telling myself) Regards, Jim -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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mike wilson wrote: Sounds like something to run away from at top speed. This is interesting, though: http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2007/01/k10d-waterhousing.html Those are the oddest U/W housings I've ever seen... and from the website http://www.splwaterhousings.com/index.html Splash housing means our housing are for shallow water not for diving. We rate them for 15-20ft max. Not very useful IMO. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Christian Subject: Re: New Pentax Ad Campaign http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2007/01/k10d-waterhousing.html Those are the oddest U/W housings I've ever seen... and from the website http://www.splwaterhousings.com/index.html Splash housing means our housing are for shallow water not for diving. We rate them for 15-20ft max. Not very useful IMO. I have a couple of friends who Scuba dive. After 20 or so feet of depth, equipment requirements for both cameras and diving get more stringent. Anything past about 20 feet, you are needing a fairly powerful strobe to cut through the murk, and this presumes a clear water dive. These housings are built for tourist divers who want to play around in coral reefs and the like. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ...
If you don't mind, allow me to share a somewhat humorous incident. A few years ago I hopped into my pickup truck and headed for Alaska. I wanted to get a set of rubber floor mats to protect the carpet in the cab. Being down here in the big city, the dealers only carried the posh carpeted mats. I figured that the closer I got to Alaska the greater my chance of getting the more practical rubber mats. I found a dealership in the Yukon territory that had rubber mats, and asked to see a set that would match the color of the truck's interior. It looked like it might, the guy gave me the price, and I asked to take the mats outside to see if the color match was acceptable, which it was, although not perfect. When I returned to complete the transaction, the sales person asked if the match was OK, and I replied Close enough for government work. Without cracking a smile or missing a beat, the guy said, Oh, you should have told me you're with the government. You qualify for a 25% discount. Gotta love those Canadians, eh ;-)) Shel [Original Message] From: Jim King So much for memory LOL Although I was reasonably close - what do they say, Close enough for government work LOL Did I at least get the time frame right? Yep, the check was dated June 29, 2005 - certainly better than a lot of government work, in my experience! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: RE: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ... Gotta love those Canadians, eh ;-)) We like it better when you do.. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Pentax Ad Campaign
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Christian Subject: Re: New Pentax Ad Campaign http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2007/01/k10d-waterhousing.html Those are the oddest U/W housings I've ever seen... and from the website http://www.splwaterhousings.com/index.html Splash housing means our housing are for shallow water not for diving. We rate them for 15-20ft max. Not very useful IMO. I have a couple of friends who Scuba dive. After 20 or so feet of depth, equipment requirements for both cameras and diving get more stringent. Anything past about 20 feet, you are needing a fairly powerful strobe to cut through the murk, and this presumes a clear water dive. These housings are built for tourist divers who want to play around in coral reefs and the like. I understand what they are built for, but based on how they are made, I bet they are going to cost more than the K10D. Your average tourist snorkeler (it's free diving, man! :-) ) is better off with a EWA Marine plastic bag for a fraction of the cost. Now that the long lens is out of the way, my next big enablement will be an Ikelite housing with strobes for the 20D... and a spare 20D. I've always said I wouldn't take a good camera underwater with me unless i can afford 2. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: RE: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ... Gotta love those Canadians, eh ;-)) We like it better when you do.. William Robb And when you don't, we burn the White House down ;-) -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Damn, I just realized that by responding to your message, I'm probably on the list too... Oh well. CW - Original Message - From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:28 PM Subject: Re: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ... William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: RE: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ... Gotta love those Canadians, eh ;-)) We like it better when you do.. William Robb And when you don't, we burn the White House down ;-) -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.9/719 - Release Date: 3/12/2007 8:41 AM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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NOW you're on the CIA watch list... good going man. CW - Original Message - From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:28 PM Subject: Re: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ... William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: RE: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ... Gotta love those Canadians, eh ;-)) We like it better when you do.. William Robb And when you don't, we burn the White House down ;-) -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.9/719 - Release Date: 3/12/2007 8:41 AM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ...
- Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ... Gotta love those Canadians, eh ;-)) We like it better when you do.. William Robb And when you don't, we burn the White House down ;-) Shhh. They don't like being reminded of that. WW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: cbwaters Subject: Re: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ... Damn, I just realized that by responding to your message, I'm probably on the list too... Heck, everyone on the list is on the list at this point. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Christian wrote: mike wilson wrote: Sounds like something to run away from at top speed. This is interesting, though: http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2007/01/k10d-waterhousing.html Those are the oddest U/W housings I've ever seen... and from the website http://www.splwaterhousings.com/index.html Splash housing means our housing are for shallow water not for diving. We rate them for 15-20ft max. Not very useful IMO. I didn't bother looking at the website. The fact that the Head of Pentax publicity was using photos of Canon bodies to show off what he was doing was enough for me. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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That was when the Canadian Army was part of the British Army, today we'd just ask, You and what army. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ... Gotta love those Canadians, eh ;-)) We like it better when you do.. William Robb And when you don't, we burn the White House down ;-) Shhh. They don't like being reminded of that. WW -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Joseph Tainter wrote on Mon Mar 12 16:27:46 EDT 2007: The F 135 F2.8 shows up about twice a year. I think sometimes about getting that one myself. I guess we'll have to arm-wrestle each other for the next one - and you have been in training with your FA 600/4 - no fair! Jim, what will you do once you have every Pentax lens? Hmmm, I have 95 out of the 123 primes but only 24 of the 66 zooms. Looks like I still have my work cut out for me! And then I also collect Fujica cameras and lenses... Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Christian Subject: Re: New Pentax Ad Campaign http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2007/01/k10d-waterhousing.html Those are the oddest U/W housings I've ever seen... and from the website http://www.splwaterhousings.com/index.html Splash housing means our housing are for shallow water not for diving. We rate them for 15-20ft max. Not very useful IMO. I have a couple of friends who Scuba dive. After 20 or so feet of depth, equipment requirements for both cameras and diving get more stringent. Anything past about 20 feet, you are needing a fairly powerful strobe to cut through the murk, and this presumes a clear water dive. These housings are built for tourist divers who want to play around in coral reefs and the like. William Robb But we did get our hopes up with this one. Pentax cameras are probably the hardest cameras to try to shoot with underwater. This is why I have a complete Nikonos system. I would have loved to have the chance to use my DSLR. With the Nikonos rangefinder it is with practice that one gets the focusing right and gets the picture. I am still learning and it is still frustrating. But, it does not matter much to me, I still do not have a K10D. I was waiting for its arrival at my 'local' photo store back in Florida. Meanwhile, surprisingly, my *istD continues to take shots though it is obsolete :-) Looking forward to being back in Florida this weekend, Cesar Panama City, Florida in Baltimore, Maryland -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Christian Subject: Re: New Pentax Ad Campaign http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2007/01/k10d-waterhousing.html Those are the oddest U/W housings I've ever seen... and from the website http://www.splwaterhousings.com/index.html Splash housing means our housing are for shallow water not for diving. We rate them for 15-20ft max. Not very useful IMO. I have a couple of friends who Scuba dive. After 20 or so feet of depth, equipment requirements for both cameras and diving get more stringent. Anything past about 20 feet, you are needing a fairly powerful strobe to cut through the murk, and this presumes a clear water dive. These housings are built for tourist divers who want to play around in coral reefs and the like. I understand what they are built for, but based on how they are made, I bet they are going to cost more than the K10D. Your average tourist snorkeler (it's free diving, man! :-) ) is better off with a EWA Marine plastic bag for a fraction of the cost. Now that the long lens is out of the way, my next big enablement will be an Ikelite housing with strobes for the 20D... and a spare 20D. I've always said I wouldn't take a good camera underwater with me unless i can afford 2. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net Christian, While diving in Australia a diver turned me onto a site that did have a housing for the *istD ;-P This only means that since I have two I can have one for underwater and a backup when I decide to drop the money for one - they are not cheap. I agree with your assessment. Somehow, nowadays, I see my diving opportunities diminishing :-( Always taking a 'good camera' a Nikonos V with me underwater, Cesar Panama City, Florida in Baltimore, Maryland -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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So where do we get these shirts? Bong On 3/13/07, Mat Maessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/12/07, Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://nedbunnell.blogspot.com/2007/03/youre-pentaxian-branding-campaign.html I wonder if we can get a few dozen of those T-Shirts in time for Grandfather Mountain. (Nico? You lurking out there?) -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
a NEW Pentax-A 28mm f/2 lens just sold on Ebay ...
Someone sent me an item number on the German Ebay site last night, after hearing of my desire for a Pentax 28mm f/2 lens. There was a NEW one listed from someone in Germany. Since I already have the FA28/2.8 AL, I was unwilling to go to ridiculous lengths and put in a bid for 200 Euros. Laughable ... the winning bid was EUR 338.76 ($444.39). That's about the double what I paid for the new FA28/2.8 AL. Seems a heck of a premium for one stop in speed. I hope it's as good a performer! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItemssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBUAA:US:11Item=220088689295 or http://tinyurl.com/2fnkyr Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Godders, I sold my A28/2.0 about 1.5 years ago. It had a very slight dent in the area where the filter screws on, but not enough to prevent the filter or lens hood from working properly. I sold it for about $385.00, IIRC - certainly more than $350.00. Shel [Original Message] From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Someone sent me an item number on the German Ebay site last night, after hearing of my desire for a Pentax 28mm f/2 lens. There was a NEW one listed from someone in Germany. Since I already have the FA28/2.8 AL, I was unwilling to go to ridiculous lengths and put in a bid for 200 Euros. Laughable ... the winning bid was EUR 338.76 ($444.39). That's about the double what I paid for the new FA28/2.8 AL. Seems a heck of a premium for one stop in speed. I hope it's as good a performer! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Someone sent me an item number on the German Ebay site last night, after hearing of my desire for a Pentax 28mm f/2 lens. There was a NEW one listed from someone in Germany. and there was also K28/2 on Italian eBay http://tinyurl.com/ysj233 Cheers, Peter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Shel Belinkoff wrote on Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:12:12 -0800 Godders, I sold my A28/2.0 about 1.5 years ago. It had a very slight dent in the area where the filter screws on, but not enough to prevent the filter or lens hood from working properly. I sold it for about $385.00, IIRC - certainly more than $350.00. Actually it was $340 including shipping - I was the one you sold it to. At the time I thought it was a bit expensive but knowing the seller I figured it was probably priced fairly. Given its rarity and subsequent increase in the market price maybe it wasn't a bad deal after all! The filter ring is now as good as new; a few taps with a mallet and a wooden dowel put everything right. Today I captured the last of the eleven Pentax K-mount 28mm lenses (the K28/2) to complete that part of my collection. I now have all the 28s, all the 35s, all the 50s. all the 85s, and all of the 135s. I'm still working on the 100s; that's a bit complicated because I don't know if I should count the dental versions of the 100 macros as well as the standard ones, as they are just minor cosmetic variations. OTOH, maybe it would be cheating not to... Thanks for aiding and abetting, Shel! Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Uploading to the new Pentax Gallery
P. J. Alling wrote: Yes. Joseph Tainter wrote: Say what? The Pentax Gallery? Have I missed something? Joe And, just in case you have room for such a long answer, comes so much help, it's almost overwhelming! keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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The gallery isn't open for viewing yet. It's under construction. Any Pentax photographer can submit, but not all submissions are accepted. I don't remember how one goes about getting a password, but perhaps someone else can fill you in. A message from one of the galery organizers was posted here last week. Paul -- Original message -- From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artist?action Okay, how does this thing work? I don't even see a way to view what's there. I'm not a professional, so I suppose I cannot submit. That's okay. But do you have to be a registered artist just to view what is there? Thanks, Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artist?action Okay, how does this thing work? I don't even see a way to view what's there. I'm not a professional, so I suppose I cannot submit. That's okay. But do you have to be a registered artist just to view what is there? Thanks, Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Joseph Tainter wrote: http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artist?action Okay, how does this thing work? I don't even see a way to view what's there. I'm not a professional, so I suppose I cannot submit. That's okay. But do you have to be a registered artist just to view what is there? Thanks, Joe Start here: http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg379432.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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It is not ready for viewing yet. They are just in the stages of building up the galleries. So all you can do is submit your photos for the gallery for the moment. -- Bruce Wednesday, February 21, 2007, 7:53:12 AM, you wrote: JT http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artist?action JT Okay, how does this thing work? I don't even see a way to view what's there. JT I'm not a professional, so I suppose I cannot submit. That's okay. But JT do you have to be a registered artist just to view what is there? JT Thanks, JT Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Uploading to the new Pentax Gallery
Has anyone uploaded photos to the new Pentax gallery yet ? If so where and how do you upload them...? Jay -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Uploading to the new Pentax Gallery
I have uploaded - you need to have an account to do it, then use their software to do the uploading. You should contact the original posting and request of that person to create an account. -- Bruce Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 6:25:01 AM, you wrote: J Has anyone uploaded photos to the new Pentax gallery yet ? If so J where and how do you upload them...? Jay -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I already have an account, what do you mean use their software, where do you get their software ? Thanks At 11:50 AM 2/20/07, you wrote: I have uploaded - you need to have an account to do it, then use their software to do the uploading. You should contact the original posting and request of that person to create an account. -- Bruce Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 6:25:01 AM, you wrote: J Has anyone uploaded photos to the new Pentax gallery yet ? If so J where and how do you upload them...? Jay -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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You log in to the site with your email address and password. Then it takes you to a page that lets you look at your account, bio or photos. On the photos page is a link to upload photos - that lets you upload them. -- Bruce Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 1:24:24 PM, you wrote: J I already have an account, what do you mean use their software, where J do you get their software ? Thanks J At 11:50 AM 2/20/07, you wrote: I have uploaded - you need to have an account to do it, then use their software to do the uploading. You should contact the original posting and request of that person to create an account. -- Bruce Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 6:25:01 AM, you wrote: J Has anyone uploaded photos to the new Pentax gallery yet ? If so J where and how do you upload them...? Jay -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Ok, I was just there and no link to upload photos. I do block cookies and pop upsThanks J At 05:31 PM 2/20/07, you wrote: You log in to the site with your email address and password. Then it takes you to a page that lets you look at your account, bio or photos. On the photos page is a link to upload photos - that lets you upload them. -- Bruce Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 1:24:24 PM, you wrote: J I already have an account, what do you mean use their software, where J do you get their software ? Thanks J At 11:50 AM 2/20/07, you wrote: I have uploaded - you need to have an account to do it, then use their software to do the uploading. You should contact the original posting and request of that person to create an account. -- Bruce Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 6:25:01 AM, you wrote: J Has anyone uploaded photos to the new Pentax gallery yet ? If so J where and how do you upload them...? Jay -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Uploading to the new Pentax Gallery
You need a Pentax Artist code to set up your account. After the account is set up you enter using your user name a password you determine. Your account includes the necessary software Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: J [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Uploading to the new Pentax Gallery Ok, I was just there and no link to upload photos. I do block cookies and pop upsThanks J At 05:31 PM 2/20/07, you wrote: You log in to the site with your email address and password. Then it takes you to a page that lets you look at your account, bio or photos. On the photos page is a link to upload photos - that lets you upload them. -- Bruce Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 1:24:24 PM, you wrote: J I already have an account, what do you mean use their software, where J do you get their software ? Thanks J At 11:50 AM 2/20/07, you wrote: I have uploaded - you need to have an account to do it, then use their software to do the uploading. You should contact the original posting and request of that person to create an account. -- Bruce Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 6:25:01 AM, you wrote: J Has anyone uploaded photos to the new Pentax gallery yet ? If so J where and how do you upload them...? Jay -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I do have an artist code and password, etc.J At 07:18 PM 2/20/07, you wrote: You need a Pentax Artist code to set up your account. After the account is set up you enter using your user name a password you determine. Your account includes the necessary software Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: J [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Uploading to the new Pentax Gallery Ok, I was just there and no link to upload photos. I do block cookies and pop upsThanks J At 05:31 PM 2/20/07, you wrote: You log in to the site with your email address and password. Then it takes you to a page that lets you look at your account, bio or photos. On the photos page is a link to upload photos - that lets you upload them. -- Bruce Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 1:24:24 PM, you wrote: J I already have an account, what do you mean use their software, where J do you get their software ? Thanks J At 11:50 AM 2/20/07, you wrote: I have uploaded - you need to have an account to do it, then use their software to do the uploading. You should contact the original posting and request of that person to create an account. -- Bruce Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 6:25:01 AM, you wrote: J Has anyone uploaded photos to the new Pentax gallery yet ? If so J where and how do you upload them...? Jay -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I was just there and no link to upload photos. Ok, where was there ? Should be http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artist?action Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: J [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Uploading to the new Pentax Gallery I do have an artist code and password, etc.J At 07:18 PM 2/20/07, you wrote: You need a Pentax Artist code to set up your account. After the account is set up you enter using your user name a password you determine. Your account includes the necessary software Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: J [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Uploading to the new Pentax Gallery Ok, I was just there and no link to upload photos. I do block cookies and pop upsThanks J At 05:31 PM 2/20/07, you wrote: You log in to the site with your email address and password. Then it takes you to a page that lets you look at your account, bio or photos. On the photos page is a link to upload photos - that lets you upload them. -- Bruce Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 1:24:24 PM, you wrote: J I already have an account, what do you mean use their software, where J do you get their software ? Thanks J At 11:50 AM 2/20/07, you wrote: I have uploaded - you need to have an account to do it, then use their software to do the uploading. You should contact the original posting and request of that person to create an account. -- Bruce Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 6:25:01 AM, you wrote: J Has anyone uploaded photos to the new Pentax gallery yet ? If so J where and how do you upload them...? Jay -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Say what? The Pentax Gallery? Have I missed something? Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Yes. Joseph Tainter wrote: Say what? The Pentax Gallery? Have I missed something? Joe -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Boris Liberman Subject: Re: Three new Pentax DA star lenses: any knowledge? Noble Sir William, is there a mighty Pentax sword (ergh, a lens) that you do not have or did not have? There's a few. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Please name each of them with complete designation and rank ;-). On 2/12/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman Subject: Re: Three new Pentax DA star lenses: any knowledge? Noble Sir William, is there a mighty Pentax sword (ergh, a lens) that you do not have or did not have? There's a few. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Roman, well, guys from Nordic Digital (Photopoint)* will tell you exactly the same news as anyone in here MINUS rumors. What you wrote, is exactly what we all were told at Photokina 2006. Three lenses, will be intorduced '03 2007 and later. Want more? Look for a news from Tokina. BR, Margus *)our local Pentax representative Roman wrote: According to the local retailer and local representatives new lenses shall be on sale from March 2007, not 2008 or 2020 (I hope). These will be: • DA* 16-50 mm F2.8 ED AL [IF] • DA* 50-135 mm F2.8 ED [IF] • DA* 60-250 mm F4 ED [IF]. http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/lens/roadmap.pdf All HSM, and weather/dust resistant, to match K10D designs. Since march 2007 is right around the corner, I was wondering if some Pentax guys or testers had already played with these. Anyway, I'm not purchasing older 28-105mm lenses in anticipation of 16-50mm f2.8, or if there will be delay, I'm going to buy Sigma 17-70mm f2.8-4.5 in addition to my fisheye 10-17mm and Tamron tele zoom 70-300mm. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 02:19:22 -0500, P. J. Alling wrote: Actually it makes more sense from a cost and design perspective to drop the drive shaft from the lenses with built in focusing motors than dropping the aperture simulator from the camera body. I expect that the screw drive's days are numbered. From the pics I have seen, the new DA* zooms don't have an aperture ring thus making the aperture simulator redundant on these lenses. From the drive shaft point, Would say that they will dissapear one day. James -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:21:07 +1000, jim wrote: I only thing I want to know is, will the new lenses have a driveshaft to drive focus as well as the inbuilt motor to support all non K10D digital bodies? I asked that to the rep's at Photokina, and there was no definite answer at that time. I have seen several more reactions from Pentax in various forums since that, and they say these three WILL have the driveshaft coupling as well as SDM for AF. So they work on the older DSLRs too. However, they also said they will decide on a 'per lens' basis in the future about including 'dual' AF. I guess it would drive up the price too much for the cheaper (kit type) lenses ... Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Not arguing with you about the K200/2.5 but that is a fast FF lens, which is going to be much bigger and heavier than a slow APS (DA) zoom 250mm lens I would think. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Dayton Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 11:33 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Three new Pentax DA star lenses: any knowledge? I agree on it needing to be removable. The problem I have encountered from time to time with longer lenses without a tripod mount is that the times that I choose to use a tripod becomes much clumsier due to the heavier lens with only the support at the base of the camera. It is much harder for the lens to settle down. My K 200/2.5 is heavy enough that using it on a tripod is problematic. I wish it had a removable mount. -- Best regards, Bruce Saturday, February 10, 2007, 8:06:56 AM, you wrote: JCOC Doesnt sound that logical to me unless its removable. JCOC DA lenses are generally small and light (compared to 35mm) and I JCOC really dont see why they would want to add weight to the lens all JCOC the time for that, especially in light of AS technologies. JCOC With regards to the NEED for the tripod mount, its JCOC not only the focal length or effective focal length JCOC that matters, its also whether the lens itself JCOC has too much weight and too far away center of JCOC gravity from the cameras tripod mount and this is JCOC still only a 250mm slow lens which would seem marginal JCOC to me for really needing a tripod mount in the first JCOC place. JCOC jco JCOC -Original Message- JCOC From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On JCOC Behalf Of Sylwester Pietrzyk JCOC Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 10:54 AM JCOC To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List JCOC Subject: Re: Three new Pentax DA star lenses: any knowledge? JCOC On 2007-02-10, at 16:35, Adam Maas wrote: The 60-250 was always announced for summer '07. JCOC The 60-250 is rumoured to be delayed further because final version JCOC would get tripod mount (sounds ligical for these focal length - JCOC 375 mm equiv.) JCOC Cheers, JCOC Sylwek JCOC -- JCOC PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List JCOC PDML@pdml.net JCOC http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I saw 60-250/4 at Photokina and it is not small lens. It is about size of Sigma EX 70-200/2.8 that I had, just with 67 mm filter. 60-250 with constant f4 aperture just can't be small, no matter what image circle it produces. Cheers, Sylwek On 2007-02-11, at 13:47, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Not arguing with you about the K200/2.5 but that is a fast FF lens, which is going to be much bigger and heavier than a slow APS (DA) zoom 250mm lens I would think. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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You miss my point, the design constraints placed on lenses to maintain both autofocus methods are greater than those placed on the camera body to retain legacy support for older lenses. In one you have to maintain mechanical linkages, where as in the other you only have to run wires so to speak. Why do you think hydraulic controls replaced mechanical rods and cables in automobiles, and aircraft not because they were better, though though they are, but because it's a lot easier to run flexible tubing. Now these same systems are being replaced by fly by wire systems, because it's much easier to run a wire. However some people are just blind. That's one of the advantages of the in lens focusing motor. In the camera body the aperture simulator is a sensor on the end of a wire. jim wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 02:19:22 -0500, P. J. Alling wrote: Actually it makes more sense from a cost and design perspective to drop the drive shaft from the lenses with built in focusing motors than dropping the aperture simulator from the camera body. I expect that the screw drive's days are numbered. From the pics I have seen, the new DA* zooms don't have an aperture ring thus making the aperture simulator redundant on these lenses. From the drive shaft point, Would say that they will dissapear one day. James -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 2/11/07 11:37 AM, K.Takeshita, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There has been an undercurrent effort to eliminate mirror and prism etc, and the legacy concept of SLR which every maker has been confined to and dragged from 35mm SLR era might change dramatically sooner than we think :-). With a rapid shift to digital, makers are finding both restrictions and freedom in camera/lens design. There is even a rumour of Canon changing the mount (again!). More realistic anticipation is Oly coming up with mirrorless body with live view etc. Not that I personally want to see any particular (and dramatic) change, makers seem to be struggling to get out of spellbound legacy 35mm film SLR format which they really do not have to follow any more. People like Oly are apparently seeing this an opportunity to get ahead of competition. Some time ago, I posted a hearsay from a camera reviewer that some big announcements be made in CES in Las Vegas. Obviously, it did not meet in time for it, but it is predicted that some major announcements be made in many areas including sensor technologies and new lenses in coming PMA. Just take this as a musing reading material at this time :-). Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 2/11/07 11:31 AM, P. J. Alling, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's one of the advantages of the in lens focusing motor. With the advent of SSM lenses, I am sure Pentax want to get rid of AF motor from camera body which will give them more room to work with, and possibly reduce required stiffness to cope with torque, and perhaps another major (electronic) noise source. With so many legacy lenses, I doubt they can do it, but there might be a new line of bodies in the future without AF motor, much like Canon AND Nikon D40. There has been an undercurrent effort to eliminate mirror and prism etc, and the legacy concept of SLR which every maker has been confined to and dragged from 35mm SLR era might change dramatically sooner than we think :-). Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I'd say that the replacement for K100 will get SSM and replacement of that one will be SSM-only. A potential K1000 could be SSM-only if Pentax comes with 18-55/50-200 updated with SSM (17-70 anyone?). 2007/2/11, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 2/11/07 11:31 AM, P. J. Alling, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's one of the advantages of the in lens focusing motor. With the advent of SSM lenses, I am sure Pentax want to get rid of AF motor from camera body which will give them more room to work with, and possibly reduce required stiffness to cope with torque, and perhaps another major (electronic) noise source. With so many legacy lenses, I doubt they can do it, but there might be a new line of bodies in the future without AF motor, much like Canon AND Nikon D40. There has been an undercurrent effort to eliminate mirror and prism etc, and the legacy concept of SLR which every maker has been confined to and dragged from 35mm SLR era might change dramatically sooner than we think :-). Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Some time ago, I posted a hearsay from a camera reviewer that some big announcements be made in CES in Las Vegas. Obviously, it did not meet in time for it, but it is predicted that some major announcements be made in many areas including sensor technologies and new lenses in coming PMA. Just take this as a musing reading material at this time :-). Ken You have good teasing skills, Ken ;) Are you targeting general DSLR industry or Pentax? (or both?) -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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You have more faith in the perfectibility of LCD's than I do. K.Takeshita wrote: On 2/11/07 11:31 AM, P. J. Alling, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's one of the advantages of the in lens focusing motor. With the advent of SSM lenses, I am sure Pentax want to get rid of AF motor from camera body which will give them more room to work with, and possibly reduce required stiffness to cope with torque, and perhaps another major (electronic) noise source. With so many legacy lenses, I doubt they can do it, but there might be a new line of bodies in the future without AF motor, much like Canon AND Nikon D40. There has been an undercurrent effort to eliminate mirror and prism etc, and the legacy concept of SLR which every maker has been confined to and dragged from 35mm SLR era might change dramatically sooner than we think :-). Ken -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 2/11/07 12:06 PM, Thibouille, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have good teasing skills, Ken ;) Are you targeting general DSLR industry or Pentax? (or both?) general DSLR industry Ken P.S. Not particularly related to this, but I would be awfully interested if someone would come up with a compact mirrorless rangefinder style SLR (Leica M8 style) with 4/3 or APS-C sensor. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 2/11/07 12:18 PM, P. J. Alling, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have more faith in the perfectibility of LCD's than I do. Yes, I do. New EVFs are already in existence in several incarnations, including the use of organic LED. It is a matter of who have courage to get out of the mold first. But I would not be interested in them unless it has acceptable resolution and fast enough refreshing rate. I am sure and it's industry's prediction that perfect EVF will come sooner than later, whether we like it or not. BTW, Oly are said to have developed a dual viewfinder (optical and EVF). Let's ee how things will change and evolve :-). Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 2/11/07 12:24 PM, K.Takeshita, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I would not be interested in them unless it has acceptable resolution and fast enough refreshing rate. But I am a type of guy who has much less resistance to try out something new as long as it makes sense and contributes to what I like, such as better user interface, more compact design and better image quality etc. In fact, I want to see someone like Oly and/or Pentax and even Pana/Sony to exercise more imaginations and keep C/N honest :-). Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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K.Takeshita wrote: I am sure and it's industry's prediction that perfect EVF will come sooner than later, whether we like it or not. I won't be interested until they get the power consumption of the LCD down to that of a silvered mirror :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I agree ...a good rangefinder style camera with a 4/3 or APS-C sensor would be really nice ...but don't lose the viewfinder. I wouldn't even mind if it had a fixed lens in the 17-70 range (assuming a 16X24mm size sensor) image stabilization would be nice given the technology exists already. Just a nice carry everywhere camera ...DSLRs are just not that convenient for that and even the high end digicams, like Canon's G7 just doesn't make the grade with the 1/1.8 size sensors. Mike. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of K.Takeshita Sent: February 11, 2007 9:16 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Three new Pentax DA star lenses: any knowledge? On 2/11/07 12:06 PM, Thibouille, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have good teasing skills, Ken ;) Are you targeting general DSLR industry or Pentax? (or both?) general DSLR industry Ken P.S. Not particularly related to this, but I would be awfully interested if someone would come up with a compact mirrorless rangefinder style SLR (Leica M8 style) with 4/3 or APS-C sensor. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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K.Takeshita wrote: On 2/11/07 12:18 PM, P. J. Alling, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have more faith in the perfectibility of LCD's than I do. Yes, I do. New EVFs are already in existence in several incarnations, including the use of organic LED. It is a matter of who have courage to get out of the mold first. But I would not be interested in them unless it has acceptable resolution and fast enough refreshing rate. I am sure and it's industry's prediction that perfect EVF will come sooner than later, whether we like it or not. BTW, Oly are said to have developed a dual viewfinder (optical and EVF). Let's ee how things will change and evolve :-). Ken The real issue with EVF's isn't resolution or refresh rate. Those are both merely engineering issues. The real issue is lag. EVF's are inherently laggy. Optical viewfinders inherently aren't. I see EVF SLR-type bodies being successful on the low-end of the DSLR market. But the lag issue will kill them on the pro and semi-pro markets (The former because it causes problems, the latter because of the former). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 2/11/07 1:25 PM, Thibouille, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OLED are said to be mostly dead not bercause technology is bad (personaly I like way better Oled TVs are saw than LCD ones) but because investiment were too high and quality control very expensive. I'm no expert in that, however, just what I heard. A pity if it is true. True for large size OLED. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 2/11/07 1:26 PM, K.Takeshita, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if the EVF is just near perfect at this point, but the elimination of return-mirror would give us more benefits, I would seriously consider and embrace it. Development of finders alternative to optical one seems to be a tide. Hey, don't you think Canon have more reason to go for an alternative viewfinder if it gives users (particularly of entry to medium bodies) so much better alternative in terms of large view and brightness etc instead of dark tunnel vision ? :-). They might be the first one to go for it. 4/3 group will have similar reason due to poor viewfinder because of the nature of smaller size sensor. You never know :-). Let's see what might come out in PMA. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 2/11/07 12:32 PM, Adam Maas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The real issue with EVF's isn't resolution or refresh rate. Those are both merely engineering issues. The real issue is lag. EVF's are inherently laggy. Optical viewfinders inherently aren't. I see EVF SLR-type bodies being successful on the low-end of the DSLR market. But the lag issue will kill them on the pro and semi-pro markets (The former because it causes problems, the latter because of the former). When I said refreshing rate, I was talking about lag. Sorry if I misused the terminology. Industry has been well aware of these problems, but they apparently have been researching this quietly. For example, organic LED has no lag and very little power consumption, although I do not know if that's the direction they are going. Bur EVFs which have been used to date are rudimentary just to satisfy certain segment of class, obviously not appropriate for DSLR. And as long as DSLRs use mirrors and clumsy mirror box etc, there was absolutely no reason to abandon optical finders. But if mirror return mechanism is gone, expensive prism be3 eliminated, enough space created in body, new mount/lens design possibility opens and display/zoom in/zoom out could be easily achieved by electronic viewfinder. However, you are right. When we discuss any possibility of EVF, we are obviously not referring to those being used on some of neo-DSLR etc. We are now talking about perfect EVF. This is given in this discussion. Even if the EVF is just near perfect at this point, but the elimination of return-mirror would give us more benefits, I would seriously consider and embrace it. Development of finders alternative to optical one seems to be a tide. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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OLED are said to be mostly dead not bercause technology is bad (personaly I like way better Oled TVs are saw than LCD ones) but because investiment were too high and quality control very expensive. I'm no expert in that, however, just what I heard. A pity if it is true. Canon (again) has a nice technology but I don't remember the name of it. I big problem with EVF will be respect of coulours. I wanna a see black in an EVF not grey. If they manage that, why not but somehow my mind say they won't for quite a time. - Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: Re: Three new Pentax DA star lenses: any knowledge? The real issue with EVF's isn't resolution or refresh rate. Those are both merely engineering issues. The real issue is lag. EVF's are inherently laggy. Optical viewfinders inherently aren't. I was looking at a Fuji with an EVF a while back. It pretty much hoovered. Really laggy, when you pushed the shutter button to lock focus, it locked the VF image as well, and the display was visibly grainy. I thought it would be unusable. The saleman told me that the primary viewfinder would be the screen on the back of the camera, which of course begged the question why did they go to the effort of putting an EVF into the thing? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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K.Takeshita wrote: On 2/11/07 12:32 PM, Adam Maas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The real issue with EVF's isn't resolution or refresh rate. Those are both merely engineering issues. The real issue is lag. EVF's are inherently laggy. Optical viewfinders inherently aren't. I see EVF SLR-type bodies being successful on the low-end of the DSLR market. But the lag issue will kill them on the pro and semi-pro markets (The former because it causes problems, the latter because of the former). When I said refreshing rate, I was talking about lag. Sorry if I misused the terminology. Industry has been well aware of these problems, but they apparently have been researching this quietly. For example, organic LED has no lag and very little power consumption, although I do not know if that's the direction they are going. Bur EVFs which have been used to date are rudimentary just to satisfy certain segment of class, obviously not appropriate for DSLR. And as long as DSLRs use mirrors and clumsy mirror box etc, there was absolutely no reason to abandon optical finders. But if mirror return mechanism is gone, expensive prism be3 eliminated, enough space created in body, new mount/lens design possibility opens and display/zoom in/zoom out could be easily achieved by electronic viewfinder. However, you are right. When we discuss any possibility of EVF, we are obviously not referring to those being used on some of neo-DSLR etc. We are now talking about perfect EVF. This is given in this discussion. Even if the EVF is just near perfect at this point, but the elimination of return-mirror would give us more benefits, I would seriously consider and embrace it. Development of finders alternative to optical one seems to be a tide. Ken Ken, actually the lag you are talking about IS refresh. It's also not the lag I'm talking about. I'm talking about the inherent delay between light hitting the sensor and the EVF displaying the image, which is mostly caused by processing. While this lag can be reduced, it can never be entirely eliminated. And that's the real advantage of optical finders(even more so on rangefinders, where you don't have finder blackout to deal with). You can accurately track fastmoving action with optical finders, it's more difficult with EVF's (and the ones it's truly possible with are on rather expensive video cameras) -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 2/11/07 1:45 PM, Adam Maas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, actually the lag you are talking about IS refresh. It's also not the lag I'm talking about. I'm talking about the inherent delay between light hitting the sensor and the EVF displaying the image, which is mostly caused by processing. While this lag can be reduced, it can never be entirely eliminated. And that's the real advantage of optical finders(even more so on rangefinders, where you don't have finder blackout to deal with). You can accurately track fastmoving action with optical finders, it's more difficult with EVF's (and the ones it's truly possible with are on rather expensive video cameras) Thank you Adam, I am obviously not a good EVF designer :-). I WAS wondering why videocams have no such lag (like a streaming video type image when moving the camera with EVF). But I am not really an EVF pusher at this point. I just see some potential. Besides, I never liked the prism protrusion of SLRs. It's ugly :-). And their clanking noise is even annoying. Ken P.S. Whatever the industry does, I would embrace 4/3 rangefinder even if it might sacrifice longer FL. I only need 24~200 max (or even 135) FL for the true portability. I never bought it but Contax G2 looked awfully enticing at the time. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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The SLR pentaprism was in some ways an improvement over the optical viewfinder/rangefinder combinations on cameras like the Leica. But they weren't an unmixed blessing, as is evidenced by the fact that some cameras still used them abet for a price. Maybe an all electronic viewing/focusing system will in some ways be an improvement over pentaprism, but even with improved electronics I doubt that it will be a direct replacement, and there will still be room in the market for a traditional SLR cameras. What worries me is that the major manufactures will entirely replace pentaprisms with the improved electronic viewfinders only because of design and cost considerations leaving only very high cost alternatives, or none at all to those who appreciate the qualities of the old style SLR. K.Takeshita wrote: On 2/11/07 1:26 PM, K.Takeshita, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if the EVF is just near perfect at this point, but the elimination of return-mirror would give us more benefits, I would seriously consider and embrace it. Development of finders alternative to optical one seems to be a tide. Hey, don't you think Canon have more reason to go for an alternative viewfinder if it gives users (particularly of entry to medium bodies) so much better alternative in terms of large view and brightness etc instead of dark tunnel vision ? :-). They might be the first one to go for it. 4/3 group will have similar reason due to poor viewfinder because of the nature of smaller size sensor. You never know :-). Let's see what might come out in PMA. Ken -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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One cool feature that an electronic finder could do that an optical finder cant is a digital zoom EVF. this is possible because the sensors are far more resolving than the EVF are at this point (or forever?). You could push a button on the body to activate it and the viewfinder could zoom in, say 5X normal, and would make for easy super accurate manual focussing eith all lenses, including primes. then release pushbutton, compose and shoot. Are there any EVF cameras out there with this feature? jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P. J. Alling Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 12:19 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Three new Pentax DA star lenses: any knowledge? You have more faith in the perfectibility of LCD's than I do. K.Takeshita wrote: On 2/11/07 11:31 AM, P. J. Alling, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's one of the advantages of the in lens focusing motor. With the advent of SSM lenses, I am sure Pentax want to get rid of AF motor from camera body which will give them more room to work with, and possibly reduce required stiffness to cope with torque, and perhaps another major (electronic) noise source. With so many legacy lenses, I doubt they can do it, but there might be a new line of bodies in the future without AF motor, much like Canon AND Nikon D40. There has been an undercurrent effort to eliminate mirror and prism etc, and the legacy concept of SLR which every maker has been confined to and dragged from 35mm SLR era might change dramatically sooner than we think :-). Ken -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 2/11/07 2:00 PM, P. J. Alling, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The SLR pentaprism was in some ways an improvement over the optical viewfinder/rangefinder combinations on cameras like the Leica. But they weren't an unmixed blessing, as is evidenced by the fact that some cameras still used them abet for a price. Maybe an all electronic viewing/focusing system will in some ways be an improvement over pentaprism, but even with improved electronics I doubt that it will be a direct replacement, and there will still be room in the market for a traditional SLR cameras. What worries me is that the major manufactures will entirely replace pentaprisms with the improved electronic viewfinders only because of design and cost considerations leaving only very high cost alternatives, or none at all to those who appreciate the qualities of the old style SLR. This is a very rational opinion and I have to agree with it. Optical viewfinder is indeed a holy grail of SLR, without which it's not even an SLR. But that was when Pentax first devised a usable SLR so many decades ago. A lot of things happened since then, and taking example of Canon's philosophy, it is used only for viewfinder in literal sense. It is there for composition and they are apparently telling users to rely on their AF capability. So, their viewfinder lost the original virtues. Pentax, and to some extent Nikon, are still maintaining meaningful viewfinders (probably because of vast number of legacy MF lenses). I do not know if this EVF issue and the elimination of quick return mirror are for user convenience or maker convenience (cost cutting etc). But I wouldn't be surprised if somebody might come up with something revolutionary. To me, the virtue of 35mm derivatives should be the portability. Present DSLRs with prism protrusion and large mirror box are so clumsy. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Ken, K.Takeshita wrote: This is a very rational opinion and I have to agree with it. Optical viewfinder is indeed a holy grail of SLR, without which it's not even an SLR. But that was when Pentax first devised a usable SLR so many decades ago. A lot of things happened since then, and taking example of Canon's philosophy, it is used only for viewfinder in literal sense. It is there for composition and they are apparently telling users to rely on their AF capability. So, their viewfinder lost the original virtues. Pentax, and to some extent Nikon, are still maintaining meaningful viewfinders (probably because of vast number of legacy MF lenses). I do not know if this EVF issue and the elimination of quick return mirror are for user convenience or maker convenience (cost cutting etc). But I wouldn't be surprised if somebody might come up with something revolutionary. To me, the virtue of 35mm derivatives should be the portability. Present DSLRs with prism protrusion and large mirror box are so clumsy. Your perspective looks logical to me (no pun intended). However, consider this. Currently all Canon, Nikon, Minolta, Pentax, etc SLR cameras force certain optical design considerations on their lenses. Notably, the flange distance that is greatly affected by the presence and the size of the mirror. Suppose that mirror will be replaced by some other solution, no matter which. It would be only reasonable then to quit maintaining optical backward compatibility. In other words, it would seem to me that SLRs of tomorrow will evolve (right term?!) to range finder cameras of today?! Boris-who-held-yesterday-Bessa-with-15/4.5-lens... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 2/11/07 2:18 PM, Boris Liberman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suppose that mirror will be replaced by some other solution, no matter which. It would be only reasonable then to quit maintaining optical backward compatibility. In other words, it would seem to me that SLRs of tomorrow will evolve (right term?!) to range finder cameras of today?! Hi Boris, First off, we all are talking about something which might happen (very likely IMO, though but don't know when). 1. SLR feature (i.e., TTL) should remain, so range finder idea is a separate topic. 2. Even if mirror box be eliminated, they can still maintain mount register, although it might defeat the purpose to some extent. 3. Or they can design a whole new line of lenses with new mount since there no longer are restrictions on rear element intrusion. 4. EVF can be bright and 100% FOV. But then, what do I know? I am just sensing that camera makers are trying to better (or cheapen for cost reduction?) the present design. Come to think of it, with digital conversion, many things could be controlled electronically and there really is no reason to be restricted by legacy film era SLR mechanical design (which was dictated by the physical presence of film, which necessitated the quick return mirror, also the source of all sorts of engineers' nightmare). Optical viewfinder really was for composing and focusing. If an alternative method could better the current optical viewfinder, why not? It's all up to good and sensible implementation by each camera maker. I of course do not agree with eliminating tried and true mirror box or the current design of SLRs for the sake of it. Users have to have overall benefits. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Ken, There has been an undercurrent effort to eliminate mirror and prism etc, and the legacy concept of SLR which every maker has been confined to and dragged from 35mm SLR era might change dramatically sooner than we think :-). so bye bye PENTaprism contAX, long live EF tokINA ? Cheers, Peter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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EVF/LCDs will likely never be perfect but then I haven't found an optical viewfinder that was perfect yet either. The Panasonic L1 allows live view to the rear LCD. Beautiful for manual focusing when doing precision work as it can be used at a 10x magnification level and gives 100% precise view of what's being framed. The Sony R1 EVF and LCD can allow you to see what's going on under circumstances when an optical viewfinder looks almost completely black, and the top-mounted swivel LCD allows waist level framing even in vertically oriented photos. The KM A2 did a similar thing. Unfortunately, neither implemented enough magnification to make manual focusing particularly wonderful. Optical reflex finders are always more responsive and better for moving subjects and facial expressions. Plusses and minuses. Godfrey On Feb 11, 2007, at 9:18 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: You have more faith in the perfectibility of LCD's than I do. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I agree on it needing to be removable. Inquiring minds want to know why? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Three new Pentax DA star lenses: any knowledge? I agree on it needing to be removable. The problem I have encountered from time to time with longer lenses without a tripod mount is that the times that I choose to use a tripod becomes much clumsier due to the heavier lens with only the support at the base of the camera. It is much harder for the lens to settle down. My K 200/2.5 is heavy enough that using it on a tripod is problematic. I wish it had a removable mount. -- Best regards, Bruce Saturday, February 10, 2007, 8:06:56 AM, you wrote: JCOC Doesnt sound that logical to me unless its removable. JCOC DA lenses are generally small and light (compared to 35mm) and I really JCOC dont see JCOC why they would want to add weight to the lens all JCOC the time for that, especially in light of AS technologies. JCOC With regards to the NEED for the tripod mount, its JCOC not only the focal length or effective focal length JCOC that matters, its also whether the lens itself JCOC has too much weight and too far away center of JCOC gravity from the cameras tripod mount and this is JCOC still only a 250mm slow lens which would seem marginal JCOC to me for really needing a tripod mount in the first JCOC place. JCOC jco JCOC -Original Message- JCOC From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] JCOC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JCOC Sylwester Pietrzyk JCOC Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 10:54 AM JCOC To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List JCOC Subject: Re: Three new Pentax DA star lenses: any knowledge? JCOC On 2007-02-10, at 16:35, Adam Maas wrote: The 60-250 was always announced for summer '07. JCOC The 60-250 is rumoured to be delayed further because final version JCOC would get tripod mount (sounds ligical for these focal length - 375 JCOC mm equiv.) JCOC Cheers, JCOC Sylwek JCOC -- JCOC PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List JCOC PDML@pdml.net JCOC http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
