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The one caveat I would add is that I have run into auctions from sellers with stellar feedback, but their identity had been stolen to commit fraud. You can usually tell tho, if it was someone selling nothing but antiques, then all of a sudden their selling a Canon 1Ds MKII, then you can smell the rotten fish a mile/1.6km away. rg Paul Stenquist wrote: Ebay ratings tell you how many ratings the seller or buyer has and from how many different sellers and buyers they came. It would be very difficult to create several hundred ratings from several hundred unique buyers. In part, because you can also trace the ratings of the sellers and buyers who are cited. The system allows for multiple levels of tracking and verification. It would be extremely difficult if not impossible to create a fraudulent trail. On Oct 18, 2005, at 10:16 PM, Tom C wrote: I may be asking this out of total ignorance Paul, I hope not. As far as reliability of ratings goes, what makes them reliable? What's to stop me from conducting a series of BIN auctions on e-bay and having my wife create multiple e-bay accounts with different e-mail addresses from multiple locations, and then having her make the 'purchase' and leave positive feedback? Little I suspect. The one time I got ripped on the guitar, the seller had a rating of over 99.5% with 1000's of transactions. I am inclined to believe that the vast majority of transactions go smoothly, but a seller who decides to be occasionally unscrupulous is easily able to hide the fact in the numbers. The more successful transactions a seller may have, the easier it can get to hide the stinkers. Tom C. From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Used gear Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:19:04 -0400 Fraudulent auctions aren't hard to spot, except for the fact that they're very few in number. Ebay seller ratings are reliable, and the site is closely monitored. Have you used ebay extensively? I have. Without problems. But each to his own. I just think it's a shame to skip what is actually a valuable resource due to misinformation. Paul On Oct 18, 2005, at 9:20 PM, Tom Reese wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: I've made literally hundreds of purchases on ebay without any problems. I received two lenses that were defective. In both cases, the seller took them back. Of course the days of really great deals on ebay are probably over, unless you can get lucky on a just posted buy it now. But there's nothing to fear. I've seen way too many fraudulent auctions to agree with your nothing to fear statement. Tom Reese
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>What are you looking for, Barry? > >B&H Photo sells used gear, as does Tamarkin NY. Sometimes they have decent gear at decent prices available. > >Godfrey Hey Godfrey, Alas, most of the B&H gear is for larger format than 35mm/digital. I'm not really looking for anything in particular, just something I must have (that I didn't know I needed before seeing the listing!). :) Since I primarily do botanical macro, I'm always on the lookout for that sort of stuff, e.g. 50 and 100 mm extension tubes, since it's a bear to stack all my other tubes together to get a lot of extension for extreme closeups. Also, of course, if I ever saw one of the 200/4 FA or A Macros for sale, I'd have to have a long conversation with my wife about budgets Cheers! Barry Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. Invasive Species Specialist Global Invasive Species Initiative The Nature Conservancy V: 530-754-8891 http://tncweeds.ucdavis.edu
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On 10/18/05 11:33 PM, "graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nothing keeping you from buying a hundred bucks worth of $1ea > merchandize and getting 100 positives either. > > graywolf True. But Ebay lists the auction numbers of the transactions along with feedback now. I forget how far back these records go, but you can click on the links and see what the person bought or sold. -Holly
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On 18 Oct 2005 at 22:05, Tom Reese wrote: > I found the e-mail I sent to eBay. They did lift the second auction. I don't > know why they waited two days before cancelling it in the last few hours. It > gave the guy more time to commit fraud outside the system. > > The auction numbers were: > > 7538023022 > 7540582657 Points to you for saving some ignorant buyer, seems like eBay safeharbour were a bit slack in their response letting it ride so long. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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On 19 Oct 2005 at 0:00, Kenneth Waller wrote: > >...however they (KEH) do make errors and over-rate gear... > > My experience has been just the opposite. The equipment I've gotten from them > is > better than their rating. What can I say, some people have all the luck. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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On Wednesday, October 19, 2005, at 08:03 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote: ...however they (KEH) do make errors and over-rate gear... My experience has been just the opposite. The equipment I've gotten from them is better than their rating. I've known King Grant, owner of KEH, since he started the company. He is the most scrupulously honest dealer I have ever met, and he insists that those who work for him are the same. When I was Editor at Shutterbug his company was always the one we received almost no complaints about, and I know of no complaint that was not resolved to the customer's satisfaction. Mistakes happen, but KEH will go to great extremes to make up for any they make. Bob
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>...however they (KEH) do make errors and over-rate gear... My experience has been just the opposite. The equipment I've gotten from them is better than their rating. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Rob Studdert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Used gear On 18 Oct 2005 at 19:57, Bill Lawlor wrote: > I have bought a number of used cameras, lenses, light meters, and > accessories from KEH. Every one was IMO, better than the advertised > condition. On one occasion when a camera turned out to be unsuitable for my > needs KEH refunded without any discussion. Pre-ebay I used to buy gear from KEH in in dozens of transactions they were flawless however they do make errors and over-rate gear however they do make good ASAP even when over-seas shipping is involved. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
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But you shouldn't buy from a seller whose ratings were obtained only as a buyer. Paul On Oct 19, 2005, at 12:33 AM, graywolf wrote: Nothing keeping you from buying a hundred bucks worth of $1ea merchandize and getting 100 positives either. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Tom C wrote: I may be asking this out of total ignorance Paul, I hope not. As far as reliability of ratings goes, what makes them reliable? What's to stop me from conducting a series of BIN auctions on e-bay and having my wife create multiple e-bay accounts with different e-mail addresses from multiple locations, and then having her make the 'purchase' and leave positive feedback? Little I suspect. The one time I got ripped on the guitar, the seller had a rating of over 99.5% with 1000's of transactions. I am inclined to believe that the vast majority of transactions go smoothly, but a seller who decides to be occasionally unscrupulous is easily able to hide the fact in the numbers. The more successful transactions a seller may have, the easier it can get to hide the stinkers. Tom C. From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Used gear Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:19:04 -0400 Fraudulent auctions aren't hard to spot, except for the fact that they're very few in number. Ebay seller ratings are reliable, and the site is closely monitored. Have you used ebay extensively? I have. Without problems. But each to his own. I just think it's a shame to skip what is actually a valuable resource due to misinformation. Paul On Oct 18, 2005, at 9:20 PM, Tom Reese wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: I've made literally hundreds of purchases on ebay without any problems. I received two lenses that were defective. In both cases, the seller took them back. Of course the days of really great deals on ebay are probably over, unless you can get lucky on a just posted buy it now. But there's nothing to fear. I've seen way too many fraudulent auctions to agree with your nothing to fear statement. Tom Reese
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Ebay creates a trail by making the ratings of all users available. Suppose you create ten to twenty false ratings. Each of the people named in those ratings would have ratings displayed as well. Their ratings would lead to other names, adding perhaps several thousand more names to the trail. If you find ten to twenty ratings, all of whom have no feedback, then you know it's phony. It's quite simple really. Paul On Oct 18, 2005, at 11:01 PM, Tom C wrote: I agree creating hundreds of rating and buyers would be time consuming. Creating 10 or 20 to get started wouldn't be hard. How does e-bay verify anything? I respectfully disagree, in part. I think it would be very easy to create a fradulent trail, but possibly difficult to keep that trail going if you were a con-artist... but easy to start a new trail all over again. I'm not trying to discourage anyone from using e-bay. It is an excellent source of gear. Common sense with an extra dose of common sense piled on top is needed. Tom C. From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Used gear Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:46:41 -0400 Ebay ratings tell you how many ratings the seller or buyer has and from how many different sellers and buyers they came. It would be very difficult to create several hundred ratings from several hundred unique buyers. In part, because you can also trace the ratings of the sellers and buyers who are cited. The system allows for multiple levels of tracking and verification. It would be extremely difficult if not impossible to create a fraudulent trail. On Oct 18, 2005, at 10:16 PM, Tom C wrote: I may be asking this out of total ignorance Paul, I hope not. As far as reliability of ratings goes, what makes them reliable? What's to stop me from conducting a series of BIN auctions on e-bay and having my wife create multiple e-bay accounts with different e-mail addresses from multiple locations, and then having her make the 'purchase' and leave positive feedback? Little I suspect. The one time I got ripped on the guitar, the seller had a rating of over 99.5% with 1000's of transactions. I am inclined to believe that the vast majority of transactions go smoothly, but a seller who decides to be occasionally unscrupulous is easily able to hide the fact in the numbers. The more successful transactions a seller may have, the easier it can get to hide the stinkers. Tom C. From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Used gear Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:19:04 -0400 Fraudulent auctions aren't hard to spot, except for the fact that they're very few in number. Ebay seller ratings are reliable, and the site is closely monitored. Have you used ebay extensively? I have. Without problems. But each to his own. I just think it's a shame to skip what is actually a valuable resource due to misinformation. Paul On Oct 18, 2005, at 9:20 PM, Tom Reese wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: I've made literally hundreds of purchases on ebay without any problems. I received two lenses that were defective. In both cases, the seller took them back. Of course the days of really great deals on ebay are probably over, unless you can get lucky on a just posted buy it now. But there's nothing to fear. I've seen way too many fraudulent auctions to agree with your nothing to fear statement. Tom Reese
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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 00:22:16 -0400, graywolf wrote: > There does seem to be a lot of ignorance on eBay. As is eBay is or should be any different than life? :-) TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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Excellent point! Tom C. - Nothing keeping you from buying a hundred bucks worth of $1ea merchandize and getting 100 positives either. graywolf
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I personally believe, with no direct evidence, that the preponderance of fraud occurs with small $ items. I've even purchased items for $25, had them arrived damaged, and after several weeks go by w/o my paying it the necessary attention, just write it off and forget it. That may be stupid, but I just don't have the time... sometimes. Tom C. From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Used gear Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 00:22:16 -0400 Not necessarily fraud, there is a function where you can copy another ad for the same type item. You are supposed to edit it to your particulars but some do not. I see more erroneous stuff due to ignorance than to chicanery. There does seem to be a lot of ignorance on eBay. The best thing is to be knowledgable about what you are buying. Come to think of it, that applies to any auction you may bid at. In all the years I have bought stuff on the internet I have only been outright cheated once, and that recently. I ordered something from one of those pricegrabber.com storefronts. Never got it, never got an answer to my emails, never got a response from pricegrabber.com. Luckily it was only $15. I guess I should have complained to paypal, but I was not feeling too well at the time and decided to eat the loss. And to just warn folks to watch out for pricegrabber.com, consider yourselves warned.. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Tom Reese wrote: I think fraudulence on Ebay varies from category to category. I've had no problems with camera gear from private sellers, but am currently embroiled in a dispute concerning a mis-described car part. The motor trade has never suffered from a surplus of ethics. I saw a very expensive 600mm Canon lens on eBay a couple months ago where the listing was copied verbatim from an earlier listing. Same description, same pictures, same everything. It was an obvious fraud. The bids were in excess of $4000 with less than 12 hours to go. Tom Reese
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Tom C wrote: > > I agree creating hundreds of rating and buyers would be time consuming. > Creating 10 or 20 to get started wouldn't be hard. How does e-bay verify > anything? I respectfully disagree, in part. I think it would be very easy > to create a fradulent trail, but possibly difficult to keep that trail going > if you were a con-artist... but easy to start a new trail all over again. > > I'm not trying to discourage anyone from using e-bay. It is an excellent > source of gear. Common sense with an extra dose of common sense piled on > top is needed. > > Tom C. > > From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: Used gear > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:46:41 -0400 > > Ebay ratings tell you how many ratings the seller or buyer has and from how > many different sellers and buyers they came. It would be very difficult to > create several hundred ratings from several hundred unique buyers. In part, > because you can also trace the ratings of the sellers and buyers who are > cited. The system allows for multiple levels of tracking and verification. > It would be extremely difficult if not impossible to create a fraudulent > trail. > On Oct 18, 2005, at 10:16 PM, Tom C wrote: > > >I may be asking this out of total ignorance Paul, I hope not. As far as > >reliability of ratings goes, what makes them reliable? > > > >What's to stop me from conducting a series of BIN auctions on e-bay and > >having my wife create multiple e-bay accounts with different e-mail > >addresses from multiple locations, and then having her make the 'purchase' > >and leave positive feedback? Little I suspect. > > > >The one time I got ripped on the guitar, the seller had a rating of over > >99.5% with 1000's of transactions. I am inclined to believe that the vast > >majority of transactions go smoothly, but a seller who decides to be > >occasionally unscrupulous is easily able to hide the fact in the numbers. > >The more successful transactions a seller may have, the easier it can get > >to hide the stinkers. > > > >Tom C. > > > > > > > > > >From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > >To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > >Subject: Re: Used gear > >Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:19:04 -0400 > > > >Fraudulent auctions aren't hard to spot, except for the fact that they're > >very few in number. Ebay seller ratings are reliable, and the site is > >closely monitored. Have you used ebay extensively? I have. Without > >problems. But each to his own. I just think it's a shame to skip what is > >actually a valuable resource due to misinformation. > >Paul > >On Oct 18, 2005, at 9:20 PM, Tom Reese wrote: > > > >>Paul Stenquist wrote: > >> > >>>I've made literally hundreds of purchases on ebay without any problems. > >>>I received two lenses that were defective. In both cases, the seller > >>>took them back. Of course the days of really great deals on ebay are > >>>probably over, unless you can get lucky on a just posted buy it now. > >>>But there's nothing to fear. > >> > >>I've seen way too many fraudulent auctions to agree with your nothing to > >>fear statement. > >> > >>Tom Reese > >> Buying things on ebay can be scary, but so can selling things there It is practically my only source of income these days (aside from social security) so I like to clue people in on how to find an honest seller Don't just look at the NUMBERS! Take the time to read the feedback. I would be wary of buying from someone who had say 500 points and had only been on ebay for 6 months. that might smell fishy to me. Don't buy things from people who skimp on descriptions. If they offer something you want write them for more details, more pictures, etc... read between the lines of the feedback. Sad to say some buyers skimp on praise and some think A+ is a wonderful thing to say. what I want to read is "item as described - fast shipping" There is some protection from ebay as well. Make sure they say up front what the shipping is, btw. I'd even ask someone who had bought something from the seller recently if it is something you really want... check out the feedback of the BUYERS who give the Seller a good rating, too. I don't sell things that are very expensive and rarely have any problems with buyers - I'm happy to say I have lots of good feed back (99.9) over 7 years almost. So don't dismiss it out of hand. annsan > > > >
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Nothing keeping you from buying a hundred bucks worth of $1ea merchandize and getting 100 positives either. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Tom C wrote: I may be asking this out of total ignorance Paul, I hope not. As far as reliability of ratings goes, what makes them reliable? What's to stop me from conducting a series of BIN auctions on e-bay and having my wife create multiple e-bay accounts with different e-mail addresses from multiple locations, and then having her make the 'purchase' and leave positive feedback? Little I suspect. The one time I got ripped on the guitar, the seller had a rating of over 99.5% with 1000's of transactions. I am inclined to believe that the vast majority of transactions go smoothly, but a seller who decides to be occasionally unscrupulous is easily able to hide the fact in the numbers. The more successful transactions a seller may have, the easier it can get to hide the stinkers. Tom C. From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Used gear Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:19:04 -0400 Fraudulent auctions aren't hard to spot, except for the fact that they're very few in number. Ebay seller ratings are reliable, and the site is closely monitored. Have you used ebay extensively? I have. Without problems. But each to his own. I just think it's a shame to skip what is actually a valuable resource due to misinformation. Paul On Oct 18, 2005, at 9:20 PM, Tom Reese wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: I've made literally hundreds of purchases on ebay without any problems. I received two lenses that were defective. In both cases, the seller took them back. Of course the days of really great deals on ebay are probably over, unless you can get lucky on a just posted buy it now. But there's nothing to fear. I've seen way too many fraudulent auctions to agree with your nothing to fear statement. Tom Reese
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Not necessarily fraud, there is a function where you can copy another ad for the same type item. You are supposed to edit it to your particulars but some do not. I see more erroneous stuff due to ignorance than to chicanery. There does seem to be a lot of ignorance on eBay. The best thing is to be knowledgable about what you are buying. Come to think of it, that applies to any auction you may bid at. In all the years I have bought stuff on the internet I have only been outright cheated once, and that recently. I ordered something from one of those pricegrabber.com storefronts. Never got it, never got an answer to my emails, never got a response from pricegrabber.com. Luckily it was only $15. I guess I should have complained to paypal, but I was not feeling too well at the time and decided to eat the loss. And to just warn folks to watch out for pricegrabber.com, consider yourselves warned.. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Tom Reese wrote: I think fraudulence on Ebay varies from category to category. I've had no problems with camera gear from private sellers, but am currently embroiled in a dispute concerning a mis-described car part. The motor trade has never suffered from a surplus of ethics. I saw a very expensive 600mm Canon lens on eBay a couple months ago where the listing was copied verbatim from an earlier listing. Same description, same pictures, same everything. It was an obvious fraud. The bids were in excess of $4000 with less than 12 hours to go. Tom Reese
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On 18 Oct 2005 at 19:57, Bill Lawlor wrote: > I have bought a number of used cameras, lenses, light meters, and > accessories from KEH. Every one was IMO, better than the advertised > condition. On one occasion when a camera turned out to be unsuitable for my > needs KEH refunded without any discussion. Pre-ebay I used to buy gear from KEH in in dozens of transactions they were flawless however they do make errors and over-rate gear however they do make good ASAP even when over-seas shipping is involved. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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> > I saw a very expensive 600mm Canon lens on eBay a couple months ago where > > the listing was copied verbatim from an earlier listing. Same description, > > same pictures, same everything. It was an obvious fraud. The bids were in > > excess of $4000 with less than 12 hours to go. > > If someone with half a brain brought it to eBays attention then the auction > would have been scrubbed from the database well before that. I've personally > been the catalyst for the disappearance of at least a dozen dodgy auctions and > some sellers. I found the e-mail I sent to eBay. They did lift the second auction. I don't know why they waited two days before cancelling it in the last few hours. It gave the guy more time to commit fraud outside the system. The auction numbers were: 7538023022 7540582657 TR
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On 18 Oct 2005 at 20:16, Tom C wrote: > I may be asking this out of total ignorance Paul, I hope not. As far as > reliability of ratings goes, what makes them reliable? Seller validity can be reliability ascertained by looking at the period over which the seller has been operating, how many times they have changed their names over that time and by reading the comments left by buyers, the good sellers shine through. > What's to stop me from conducting a series of BIN auctions on e-bay and > having my wife create multiple e-bay accounts with different e-mail > addresses from multiple locations, and then having her make the 'purchase' and > leave positive feedback? Little I suspect. I've seen it done in-fact then I've seen eBay do the clean sweep and suspend all the suspect accounts from the system. Generally it's pretty easy to tell if the rating is fraudulent or not by looking at the feedback ratings of the buyers too. > The one time I got ripped on the guitar, the seller had a rating of over > 99.5% with 1000's of transactions. I am inclined to believe that the vast > majority of transactions go smoothly, but a seller who decides to be > occasionally unscrupulous is easily able to hide the fact in the numbers. The > more successful transactions a seller may have, the easier it can get to hide > the stinkers. If you had 1 in 200 chance (0.5%) of winning cash in a lottery I guess they would be pretty good odds (in context). I personally wouldn't deal with a volume seller with only 99.5% feedback rating, I'm not that much of a gambler. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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I agree creating hundreds of rating and buyers would be time consuming. Creating 10 or 20 to get started wouldn't be hard. How does e-bay verify anything? I respectfully disagree, in part. I think it would be very easy to create a fradulent trail, but possibly difficult to keep that trail going if you were a con-artist... but easy to start a new trail all over again. I'm not trying to discourage anyone from using e-bay. It is an excellent source of gear. Common sense with an extra dose of common sense piled on top is needed. Tom C. From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Used gear Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:46:41 -0400 Ebay ratings tell you how many ratings the seller or buyer has and from how many different sellers and buyers they came. It would be very difficult to create several hundred ratings from several hundred unique buyers. In part, because you can also trace the ratings of the sellers and buyers who are cited. The system allows for multiple levels of tracking and verification. It would be extremely difficult if not impossible to create a fraudulent trail. On Oct 18, 2005, at 10:16 PM, Tom C wrote: I may be asking this out of total ignorance Paul, I hope not. As far as reliability of ratings goes, what makes them reliable? What's to stop me from conducting a series of BIN auctions on e-bay and having my wife create multiple e-bay accounts with different e-mail addresses from multiple locations, and then having her make the 'purchase' and leave positive feedback? Little I suspect. The one time I got ripped on the guitar, the seller had a rating of over 99.5% with 1000's of transactions. I am inclined to believe that the vast majority of transactions go smoothly, but a seller who decides to be occasionally unscrupulous is easily able to hide the fact in the numbers. The more successful transactions a seller may have, the easier it can get to hide the stinkers. Tom C. From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Used gear Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:19:04 -0400 Fraudulent auctions aren't hard to spot, except for the fact that they're very few in number. Ebay seller ratings are reliable, and the site is closely monitored. Have you used ebay extensively? I have. Without problems. But each to his own. I just think it's a shame to skip what is actually a valuable resource due to misinformation. Paul On Oct 18, 2005, at 9:20 PM, Tom Reese wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: I've made literally hundreds of purchases on ebay without any problems. I received two lenses that were defective. In both cases, the seller took them back. Of course the days of really great deals on ebay are probably over, unless you can get lucky on a just posted buy it now. But there's nothing to fear. I've seen way too many fraudulent auctions to agree with your nothing to fear statement. Tom Reese
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I have bought a number of used cameras, lenses, light meters, and accessories from KEH. Every one was IMO, better than the advertised condition. On one occasion when a camera turned out to be unsuitable for my needs KEH refunded without any discussion. Bill Lawlor
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Ebay ratings tell you how many ratings the seller or buyer has and from how many different sellers and buyers they came. It would be very difficult to create several hundred ratings from several hundred unique buyers. In part, because you can also trace the ratings of the sellers and buyers who are cited. The system allows for multiple levels of tracking and verification. It would be extremely difficult if not impossible to create a fraudulent trail. On Oct 18, 2005, at 10:16 PM, Tom C wrote: I may be asking this out of total ignorance Paul, I hope not. As far as reliability of ratings goes, what makes them reliable? What's to stop me from conducting a series of BIN auctions on e-bay and having my wife create multiple e-bay accounts with different e-mail addresses from multiple locations, and then having her make the 'purchase' and leave positive feedback? Little I suspect. The one time I got ripped on the guitar, the seller had a rating of over 99.5% with 1000's of transactions. I am inclined to believe that the vast majority of transactions go smoothly, but a seller who decides to be occasionally unscrupulous is easily able to hide the fact in the numbers. The more successful transactions a seller may have, the easier it can get to hide the stinkers. Tom C. From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Used gear Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:19:04 -0400 Fraudulent auctions aren't hard to spot, except for the fact that they're very few in number. Ebay seller ratings are reliable, and the site is closely monitored. Have you used ebay extensively? I have. Without problems. But each to his own. I just think it's a shame to skip what is actually a valuable resource due to misinformation. Paul On Oct 18, 2005, at 9:20 PM, Tom Reese wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: I've made literally hundreds of purchases on ebay without any problems. I received two lenses that were defective. In both cases, the seller took them back. Of course the days of really great deals on ebay are probably over, unless you can get lucky on a just posted buy it now. But there's nothing to fear. I've seen way too many fraudulent auctions to agree with your nothing to fear statement. Tom Reese
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I may be asking this out of total ignorance Paul, I hope not. As far as reliability of ratings goes, what makes them reliable? What's to stop me from conducting a series of BIN auctions on e-bay and having my wife create multiple e-bay accounts with different e-mail addresses from multiple locations, and then having her make the 'purchase' and leave positive feedback? Little I suspect. The one time I got ripped on the guitar, the seller had a rating of over 99.5% with 1000's of transactions. I am inclined to believe that the vast majority of transactions go smoothly, but a seller who decides to be occasionally unscrupulous is easily able to hide the fact in the numbers. The more successful transactions a seller may have, the easier it can get to hide the stinkers. Tom C. From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Used gear Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:19:04 -0400 Fraudulent auctions aren't hard to spot, except for the fact that they're very few in number. Ebay seller ratings are reliable, and the site is closely monitored. Have you used ebay extensively? I have. Without problems. But each to his own. I just think it's a shame to skip what is actually a valuable resource due to misinformation. Paul On Oct 18, 2005, at 9:20 PM, Tom Reese wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: I've made literally hundreds of purchases on ebay without any problems. I received two lenses that were defective. In both cases, the seller took them back. Of course the days of really great deals on ebay are probably over, unless you can get lucky on a just posted buy it now. But there's nothing to fear. I've seen way too many fraudulent auctions to agree with your nothing to fear statement. Tom Reese
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> Fraudulent auctions aren't hard to spot, except for the fact that > they're very few in number. I've seen too many to agree that they're very few in number. They thieves are becoming more sophisticated and getting harder to spot. > Ebay seller ratings are reliable, and the > site is closely monitored. Have you used ebay extensively? I've made over 70 transactions and haven't gotten stuck. I've also bid on quite a few auctions that were pulled because they were fraudulent. > I have. > Without problems. But each to his own. I just think it's a shame to > skip what is actually a valuable resource due to misinformation. I don't skip eBay. I use it fairly often but I'm extremely careful. Tom Reese
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> > > I saw a very expensive 600mm Canon lens on eBay a couple months ago where > > the listing was copied verbatim from an earlier listing. Same description, > > same pictures, same everything. It was an obvious fraud. The bids were in > > excess of $4000 with less than 12 hours to go. > > If someone with half a brain brought it to eBays attention then the auction > would have been scrubbed from the database well before that. I've personally > been the catalyst for the disappearance of at least a dozen dodgy auctions and > some sellers. I did notify them. The auction was still sitting there two days later with less than 12 hrs to go. I didn't check to see what happened after that. Tom Reese
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On 18 Oct 2005 at 21:43, Tom Reese wrote: > I saw a very expensive 600mm Canon lens on eBay a couple months ago where > the listing was copied verbatim from an earlier listing. Same description, > same pictures, same everything. It was an obvious fraud. The bids were in > excess of $4000 with less than 12 hours to go. If someone with half a brain brought it to eBays attention then the auction would have been scrubbed from the database well before that. I've personally been the catalyst for the disappearance of at least a dozen dodgy auctions and some sellers. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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> I think fraudulence on Ebay varies from category to category. I've had no > problems with camera gear from private sellers, but am currently embroiled > in a dispute concerning a mis-described car part. The motor trade has > never suffered from a surplus of ethics. I saw a very expensive 600mm Canon lens on eBay a couple months ago where the listing was copied verbatim from an earlier listing. Same description, same pictures, same everything. It was an obvious fraud. The bids were in excess of $4000 with less than 12 hours to go. Tom Reese
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Fraudulent auctions aren't hard to spot, except for the fact that they're very few in number. Ebay seller ratings are reliable, and the site is closely monitored. Have you used ebay extensively? I have. Without problems. But each to his own. I just think it's a shame to skip what is actually a valuable resource due to misinformation. Paul On Oct 18, 2005, at 9:20 PM, Tom Reese wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: I've made literally hundreds of purchases on ebay without any problems. I received two lenses that were defective. In both cases, the seller took them back. Of course the days of really great deals on ebay are probably over, unless you can get lucky on a just posted buy it now. But there's nothing to fear. I've seen way too many fraudulent auctions to agree with your nothing to fear statement. Tom Reese
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I think fraudulence on Ebay varies from category to category. I've had no problems with camera gear from private sellers, but am currently embroiled in a dispute concerning a mis-described car part. The motor trade has never suffered from a surplus of ethics. John On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 02:20:53 +0100, Tom Reese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: I've made literally hundreds of purchases on ebay without any problems. I received two lenses that were defective. In both cases, the seller took them back. Of course the days of really great deals on ebay are probably over, unless you can get lucky on a just posted buy it now. But there's nothing to fear. I've seen way too many fraudulent auctions to agree with your nothing to fear statement. Tom Reese -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
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Paul Stenquist wrote: > I've made literally hundreds of purchases on ebay without any problems. > I received two lenses that were defective. In both cases, the seller > took them back. Of course the days of really great deals on ebay are > probably over, unless you can get lucky on a just posted buy it now. > But there's nothing to fear. I've seen way too many fraudulent auctions to agree with your nothing to fear statement. Tom Reese
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I'd also point out that many items for sale on e-bay actually are camera stores that are using e-bay as their 'used equipment counter'. Tom C. From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Used gear Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:46:33 -0600 Same here, but not hundreds. I've only received one lens that did not match the description. Whether that was because of damage in shipping or otherwise, the seller took it back. I did get ripped off on a $350 guitar (not much as guitars go). I would simply ignore any auctions that have a 'No Return' policy and be highly suspicious of any that state "Pictures tell the story". That was my error. Tom C. From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Used gear Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:39:12 -0400 I've made literally hundreds of purchases on ebay without any problems. I received two lenses that were defective. In both cases, the seller took them back. Of course the days of really great deals on ebay are probably over, unless you can get lucky on a just posted buy it now. But there's nothing to fear. KEH is very good, but the selection is extremely limited. Paul On Oct 18, 2005, at 7:03 PM, Barry Rice wrote: Hey Folks, Is it kosher for me to ask here for a list of sites people look at for used camera gear? EekBay scares me, but I regularly look at KEH. Is there some other site I should visit? Barry Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. Invasive Species Specialist Global Invasive Species Initiative The Nature Conservancy V: 530-754-8891 http://tncweeds.ucdavis.edu
Re: Used gear
Same here, but not hundreds. I've only received one lens that did not match the description. Whether that was because of damage in shipping or otherwise, the seller took it back. I did get ripped off on a $350 guitar (not much as guitars go). I would simply ignore any auctions that have a 'No Return' policy and be highly suspicious of any that state "Pictures tell the story". That was my error. Tom C. From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Used gear Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:39:12 -0400 I've made literally hundreds of purchases on ebay without any problems. I received two lenses that were defective. In both cases, the seller took them back. Of course the days of really great deals on ebay are probably over, unless you can get lucky on a just posted buy it now. But there's nothing to fear. KEH is very good, but the selection is extremely limited. Paul On Oct 18, 2005, at 7:03 PM, Barry Rice wrote: Hey Folks, Is it kosher for me to ask here for a list of sites people look at for used camera gear? EekBay scares me, but I regularly look at KEH. Is there some other site I should visit? Barry Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. Invasive Species Specialist Global Invasive Species Initiative The Nature Conservancy V: 530-754-8891 http://tncweeds.ucdavis.edu
Re: Used gear
I've made literally hundreds of purchases on ebay without any problems. I received two lenses that were defective. In both cases, the seller took them back. Of course the days of really great deals on ebay are probably over, unless you can get lucky on a just posted buy it now. But there's nothing to fear. KEH is very good, but the selection is extremely limited. Paul On Oct 18, 2005, at 7:03 PM, Barry Rice wrote: Hey Folks, Is it kosher for me to ask here for a list of sites people look at for used camera gear? EekBay scares me, but I regularly look at KEH. Is there some other site I should visit? Barry Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. Invasive Species Specialist Global Invasive Species Initiative The Nature Conservancy V: 530-754-8891 http://tncweeds.ucdavis.edu
Re: Used gear
Barry Rice wrote: Hey Folks, Is it kosher for me to ask here for a list of sites people look at for used camera gear? EekBay scares me, but I regularly look at KEH. Is there some other site I should visit? Speaking of kosher -- B&H.
Re: Used gear
There's a huge list of used gear dealers (both US and international) here - http://medfmt.8k.com/mf/albro.html -- Fred Widall, Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall --
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What are you looking for, Barry? B&H Photo sells used gear, as does Tamarkin NY. Sometimes they have decent gear at decent prices available. Godfrey On Oct 18, 2005, at 4:03 PM, Barry Rice wrote: Is it kosher for me to ask here for a list of sites people look at for used camera gear? EekBay scares me, but I regularly look at KEH. Is there some other site I should visit?
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Check out craigslist.org if you don't mind the classifieds. t On 10/18/05 16:03, Barry Rice wrote: > > Hey Folks, > > Is it kosher for me to ask here for a list of sites people look at for used > camera gear? EekBay scares me, but I regularly look at KEH. Is there some > other site I should visit? > > Barry > > Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. > Invasive Species Specialist > Global Invasive Species Initiative > The Nature Conservancy > V: 530-754-8891 > http://tncweeds.ucdavis.edu > > >
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Barry Rice asked: > > Is it kosher for me to ask here for a list of sites people look at for used > camera gear? EekBay scares me, but I regularly look at KEH. Is there some > other site I should visit? Adorama and B&H both sell some used stuff. They don't have nearly as big a selection as KEH but I've bought some used equipment there. Tom Reese
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Hi, http://charlottecamera.com/ http://www.woodcam.com/ Never had a bad buying experience from either of these places. Neither is the cheapest place in town, but both are honest and reputable. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Barry Rice > Is it kosher for me to ask here for a list of sites people look at for used > camera gear? EekBay scares me, but I regularly look at KEH. Is there some > other site I should visit?
Used gear
Hey Folks, Is it kosher for me to ask here for a list of sites people look at for used camera gear? EekBay scares me, but I regularly look at KEH. Is there some other site I should visit? Barry Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. Invasive Species Specialist Global Invasive Species Initiative The Nature Conservancy V: 530-754-8891 http://tncweeds.ucdavis.edu
Re: Good Sources For Used Gear?
Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Adorama My dealings with Adorama have led to nothing but turmoil. They still owe me money after double charging me. They owe me again for sending a delivery to the wrong address, fortunately the reciever forwarded this on and I had to pick up the cost of freight. To thier credit, they have maintained an open dialog about the issues via email, but it is a long drawn out process. I've had mixed experiences with Adorama as well. I prefer to deal with KEH and B&H when there are choices of supply. Tom Reese
Re: Good Sources For Used Gear?
On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 04:42:33PM +0100, Malcolm Smith wrote: > Best place to buy used gear? Right here on PDML; of the used equipment I > have got via shops or eBay or here, the most reliable and honestly > advertised items were mentioned for sale right here. Despite personal experience (the only piece of used Pentax equipment I accquired that had any problems was actually from a PDML member :-) I'd agree with this whole-heartedly. Other than that I'd agree with Bob Shell - KEH as the first store I'd look at. Adorama & B&H are definitely reputable establishments; most of my new equipment purchases go to one or other of those stores. Apart from those I sometimes browse over to see what Charlotte Camera might have to offer - that's where I picked up a 250-600 some years ago. Back in the days before everything went to eBay rec.photo.marketplace used to be a good place to look; after a while you could get a feel for good vs. questionable deals. That's where most of my other used gear came from (both my A* lenses, my FA* 80-200, a NIB MX motor drive ...)
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Best place to buy used gear? Right here on PDML; of the used equipment I have got via shops or eBay or here, the most reliable and honestly advertised items were mentioned for sale right here. Malcolm
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On Saturday, August 20, 2005, at 10:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect you had a rare occurrence of a mess up. (Politer term than what I would normally use. :-)) Which can happen to any company. Whatever. I like them. They are usually a few bucks cheaper than B&H. Speaking again from the perspective of a photo magazine, we always had the smallest number of complaints about Adorama and B & H of the NYC mailorder guys. If all of our advertisers had been like them we wouldn't have needed a full-time customer service person. And if all our advertisers had been like KEH we wouldn't have needed a customer service person at all! Bob
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In a message dated 8/19/2005 8:45:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This one time, at band camp, "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Adorama My dealings with Adorama have led to nothing but turmoil. They still owe me money after double charging me. They owe me again for sending a delivery to the wrong address, fortunately the reciever forwarded this on and I had to pick up the cost of freight. To thier credit, they have maintained an open dialog about the issues via email, but it is a long drawn out process. Kind regards Kevin = Sorry to hear that. I buy about 70-80% of the time from Adorama (20-30% of the time from ebay), and have never had any problem. Delivery is quick, orders are right, etc. I've even bought used gear from them. Once they were out of something and emailed me to tell me when it would be in stock. I didn't want to wait so I canceled the order. No problem. I suspect you had a rare occurrence of a mess up. (Politer term than what I would normally use. :-)) Which can happen to any company. Whatever. I like them. They are usually a few bucks cheaper than B&H. Marnie aka Doe
Re: Good Sources For Used Gear?
On Friday, August 19, 2005, at 04:25 AM, Glen wrote: I've heard a lot of nice things about KEH, but for the record, is there another source of used gear that I should consider besides KEH? I'm looking for some place with a similarly good reputation for honesty, who also maintains an on-line presence, like KEH does. Unfortunately, you will not find another firm as honest as KEH. King Grant is the founder/owner, and he is the most scrupulously honest man I have ever met, period. He has run his business to match his personal ethical standards from day one, totally without compromise. Does that mean KEH never makes mistakes? No, but they will go to amazing ends to make things right when they do. That being said, most of the advertisers you'll find in Shutterbug sell used equipment, often specializing in one or two brands. The number of complaints we got about used equipment transactions was always pretty low, and in almost all cases resolved to the customer's satisfaction. Problems are usually disagreements about the condition of equipment, and advertising laws allow a certain amount of "puffery" as normal business practice, so just be aware that your opinion of condition may not be quite as rosy as the seller's. Bob
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This one time, at band camp, "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Adorama My dealings with Adorama have led to nothing but turmoil. They still owe me money after double charging me. They owe me again for sending a delivery to the wrong address, fortunately the reciever forwarded this on and I had to pick up the cost of freight. To thier credit, they have maintained an open dialog about the issues via email, but it is a long drawn out process. Kind regards Kevin -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
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B&H Photo and Adorama have used equipment departments but KEH specializes. Glen wrote: I've heard a lot of nice things about KEH, but for the record, is there another source of used gear that I should consider besides KEH? I'm looking for some place with a similarly good reputation for honesty, who also maintains an on-line presence, like KEH does. thanks, Glen -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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B&H Adorama ebay.com Jens Bladt Arkitekt MAA http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Glen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 19. august 2005 10:25 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Good Sources For Used Gear? I've heard a lot of nice things about KEH, but for the record, is there another source of used gear that I should consider besides KEH? I'm looking for some place with a similarly good reputation for honesty, who also maintains an on-line presence, like KEH does. thanks, Glen
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There are many reputable online sources for used camera gear. Annex B in my Canon database (CELOSbd) provides my "star ratings" for about 70 of them. I have actually bought gear from more than half of the two-stars, and the ratings for the remainder are based (primarily) on the quantity and variability of their Canon stock; however, most of them are also very good for Pentax gear and are in the older Pentax database (see SPLOSdb). There are also many not-so-good online sources for used camera gear. I don't have personal experience with any of them, which is possibly due to the fact that I read this: www.photo.net/equipment/where-to-buy (esp. see "I want to get screwed") www.photo.net/equipment/caveat_emptor Jim www.jcolwell.ca
Good Sources For Used Gear?
I've heard a lot of nice things about KEH, but for the record, is there another source of used gear that I should consider besides KEH? I'm looking for some place with a similarly good reputation for honesty, who also maintains an on-line presence, like KEH does. thanks, Glen
Re: Prices of used gear?
On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Uh, is a Spotmatic SPII really worth more than an KX these days, > or am I just doing my eBay searches very badly? > > (And is there a faster way to come up with replacement costs for > stolen gear?) Are you talking about replacing them with the same thing? I thought replacement insurance typically replaced your items with their new equivalent. When I had about 15 M42 bodies kicking around, I used to dream about the windfall I'd have if they were ever stolen. chris
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glenn, i was so sorry to hear your story, and i only hope that it all works out for you. at least the owner of the 4x5 understands! that is one thing that you don't need to carry around with you now... tan. - Original Message - From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 9:50 AM Subject: Re: Prices of used gear? > Hey, I seem to be getting the mailing list again -- yay! > > Stan Halpin wrote: > > Glad to hear that you do have insurance! I've been wondering but was afraid > > to ask. > > Actually, I don't think insurance will cover it, though I > should find out on Monday. But the form for the police > department asks for values of items. (Unlike anything > I've seen from the Baltimore City police. (This happened > in the County.)) > > -- Glenn > >
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Thanks Boris and Bob. I looked around their site and it looks like a place to get rid of a lot of money. =) Appreciate your input. Sean -Original Message- From: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 7:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Source for used gear www.keh.com It seems to have the most respected reputation. It also has quite a choice of gear. Finally, their grading is very conservative... Good hunting. Boris _ 29 августа в саду Эрмитаж состоится выставка интерьеров Махараджей
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Sean, The best source of used gear in the USA is at www.KEH.com. The Pentax gear I have purchased there has been in fantastic shape and they have more stuff than anybody. As for opinions, discussion, and help spending your money, this list is a great resource. Almost any flash will work on an ME. The Pentax AF280T is a favorite and it has two manual mode settings which will work fine for your ME and is reasonably powerful with a tilt and swivel head. Quantum makes remote battery packs for it. A Pentax 24mm f2.8 lens would look just fine on the ME. I like it much better than the Pentax M-series 28mm f2.8 lens. With a $10 Pentax wide angle adaptor for the flash, you would have a truely wide angle, night time flash photography outfit based on the ME. Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I just picked up a ME and am trying to find a place online to purchase > used equipment. Specifically things like flashes, lenses, etc. This unit > will be used primarily for night work so wide angle and a good flash w/ > dedicated battery would be a plus. > > eBay is an option of course, but a place that has a knowledgeable person > to field questions and confirm availability would be preferable.
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www.keh.com It seems to have the most respected reputation. It also has quite a choice of gear. Finally, their grading is very conservative... Good hunting. Boris _ 29 августа в саду Эрмитаж состоится выставка интерьеров Махараджей
Used gear and stuff
You know, I hate having not enough money to spend freely on equipment, such interesting and great stuff here, at good prices too :(( I didn't know there was a SMCP-F Zoom 24-50mm f/4. I thought I knew most of the current or semi-current lenses, this one is new to me. Anyone want to donate their equipment to a good cause? (me :)) Now, not related exactly, but can anyone tell me, if I'm assuming correctly why the Pentax teleconverters (not the AF 1.7x) do not support AF? Is that true? Are there some around, or third-party ones? Brad. - Original Message - From: "Lindamood, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 11:04 AM Subject: FS: Pentax SMC 24mm and SMC-F 24-50mm > Excellent condition Pentax SMC-F 24-50 f4.0 Zoom Lens. Like my SMC 24mm f2.8 for sale now also, this is in terrific condition. Constant f4 aperture of this model is convenient for flash use. I have priced this to sell. Gotta move some gear. > Pentax SMC 24mm f2.8. This is in unused perfect mint condition, no problems whatsoever, with hard case. Also priced to mve. >
Re: Used-gear Web links: Time to share?
I can vouch for Frank's statement. I just bought from Alt a Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon multicoated 20/2.8. It's a screwmount with a K adapter; not sure yet whether the adapter is a semipermanent affair, but I'm hoping. By the way, Alt informed me that the lens as-received seemed to have trouble focusing at infinity, so they were repairing it. It's nice to know they check out such things. Did you all see the mint screwmount Flektogon 20/2.8 that was posted on EBay April 15? It's a beauty, isn't it? Those Canadian dealers have a knack for unearthing these jewels, eh? Frank Theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Also in Toronto, is Alt Camera Exchange. I've never dealt with them on line, but in the "real" store, they have a much better selection of screwmount stuff than Henry's: http://www.altcamera.com/ Paul Franklin Stregevsky - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Used-gear Web links: Time to share?
Where's Newmarket, up north somewhere? :-) I don't doubt that Henry's doesn't take screws anymore. Their flagship store in downtown Toronto has a pretty slim selection, and they're more expensive than Alt, to boot. They just don't seem interested in moving them. Alt does definitely take new screwmount stuff, as I check in there on at least a monthly basis, and they often have new lenses and bodies. Last time I looked, I'd say they had at least 6 or 10 bodies (some real nice ones too) and at least 15 or 20 lenses of varying quality (ie, some non-Taks). Even if the prices are more than one would like to pay, you should check them out next time you venture downtown. Funny how I keep hearing "who uses that stuff anymore?" from camera shop personel, but it's amazing how many Spotties I see around peoples necks, just walking around town! I'd say at least once a month - pretty good for a camera they stopped making 25 years ago! regards, frank David J Brooks wrote: > Probably correct.I recently went into Henry's Newmarket as I am thinking of getting >a 70-210 > screw mount zoom for my SP500.The manager basiclly tryed to bruch me off saying they >do > not take this equipment as trade in any more(as he said who uses this stuff any >more) but > how does he explain the 2 SP bodies in the display case > BTW is still use my screws a lot > > Dave - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Used-gear Web links: Time to share?
David J Brooks wrote: > Probably correct.I recently went into Henry's Newmarket as I am > thinking of getting a 70-210 screw mount zoom for my SP500. Dave, I have a Tamron 80-250mm f3.8 constant I don't use anymore. It has some quirks, but is a pretty decent lens. The adapter part is bunged up so it is in a "stop-down metering" situation. 72mm filter thread and I have a few basic filters that can go w/ it. I'm in the US, west coast in Oregon - let me know if you are interested in this. also have a Soligor 35-105mm f3.5 constant that also takes the 72mm filter thread. Bill - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re: Used-gear Web links: Time to share?
Probably correct.I recently went into Henry's Newmarket as I am thinking of getting a 70-210 screw mount zoom for my SP500.The manager basiclly tryed to bruch me off saying they do not take this equipment as trade in any more(as he said who uses this stuff any more) but how does he explain the 2 SP bodies in the display case BTW is still use my screws a lot Dave Begin Original Message From: Frank Theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 08:34:20 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Used-gear Web links: Time to share? Also in Toronto, is Alt Camera Exchange. I've never dealt with them on line, but in the "real" store, they have a much better selection of screwmount stuff than Henry's: http://www.altcamera.com/ Another Canadian site: http://www.activepartners.com/canuckphotomart/ regards, frank - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re: Used-gear Web links: Time to share?
There are two in my area i check out a lot. http://www.henrys.com aand http://www.merklecamera.com The prices seem some what ok and the later will bargin Dave Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Used-gear Web links: Time to share?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I realize that every time I or someone else posts a "spotted: used this or that" link, dozens of you are adding the URL to your bookmarks. So our secrets are oozing out anyway. I do. Maybe, [now that I've finished my lens collection,] it's time we worked together, in the spirit of cooperation. Who's with me? >> Paul, I've found Jeff Albro's Impact! Guide http://www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/mf/albro.html useful but too tedious to identify good target shops. My favorites are Charlotte Camera and KEH and I've been to both (even if only to drive by KEH). From my favorites list, the URL's are... http://www.charlottecamera.com/ccamerav1/dir2.icl?secid=0&subsecid=35&orderide ntifier=ID94227885810959235345571C4F and http://209.35.112.41/shop/class.cfm?bid=PK&sid=newused&crid=562462 (or Maybe www.keh.com and www.charlottecamera.com would be better?) I have also purchased from Cameta (before the internet days) and Camera Direct http://www.cameta.com/ and http://www.camera-direct.com/ I believe Nathan's Camera in the Detroit metro is the same place as American Transphoto(?) that you see on ebay auctions (can't respond Thurs. thru Sundays). http://www.nathancamera.com/pentaxnz.htm I haven't purchased from the following, but check their sites. http://www.pacificrimcamera.com/catalog/cq11.htm http://www.mxv.co.uk/pentax.htm http://www.vintagecameras.co.uk/pentax.htm Oh, and if you see a 28mm f2 or an 85mm f1.8, let me know. Regards, Bob S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
