Re: Way OT - coffee

2008-01-16 Thread Scott Loveless
David J Brooks wrote:
 Is that the stuff you brought to GFM.If so it, was giid
 
Yes, it was.  I'm glid you laked it.

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Re: OT - Bike enablement (not really OT for this list...)

2008-01-16 Thread Scott Loveless
Christian wrote:
  From Dave Mann's simple fixie singlspeed to this:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/2ypv7h
 
 I bought a used 1999 Specialized Stumpjumper FSR XC from a co-worker 
 last Friday.  It is amazingly quick on the singletrack around the park I 
 live next to.  And lighter than my Giant Rincon hard-tail.
 
Sweet.  I'm not a big fan of suspended bikes, but to hear that it's 
lighter than your hard-tail is an eye opener.

In addition to my two riders, I have 3 road frames in the basement 
waiting for parts, my wife wants new handlebars on her ride, and I need 
to overhaul all but one of my bottom brackets.

What I don't have is a mountain bike.  I think I need one.  Like, now. 
If I buy it one piece at a time maybe I can sneak it in without my wife 
noticing.

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Re: OT - Bike enablement (not really OT for this list...)

2008-01-16 Thread Scott Loveless
Paul Sorenson wrote:
 Sorta like a '48,'49,'50,'51,'52,'53 Cadillac...   ;}
 
Sorta.  ;)


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Re: WTB: Pentax 35mm 1.4x-S and possibly 35mm 2x-S rear converters

2008-01-18 Thread Scott Loveless
Cotty wrote:
 On 18/01/08, Cymen Vig, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 Does anyone have a spare 35mm 1.4x-S rear converter? 
 
 never mind that does anyone have a 35mm f1.4 :-)
 
Not for you.  Butcher.

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hello

2008-01-18 Thread Scott Loveless
Anybody home?

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Re: PESO - Untitled

2008-01-20 Thread Scott Loveless
Tim Øsleby wrote:
 - Original Message - 
 From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 EB (but in a nice way).

 Mark!!
 
 Tim Typo
 
WTF?  Two Marks! in one post? This must violate a rule or two.  And 
bring back WW.  I don't like this EB fellow very much.  Especially when 
he's nice.

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Re: PESO: Not sure what to make of this one

2008-01-21 Thread Scott Loveless
Rick Womer wrote:
 It looks as though the boulders are emerging from the
 earth--Attack of the Killer Rocks!
 
 (I might crop the top and left-hand quarters, but I
 think it still wouldn't do anything for me).
 
 You should take my comments with a grain of basalt, of
 course...
 
I'm sure Mark wasn't looking for answers to his quarry from riprap like 
you.  Of course, that opinion is mine.

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last call for the February PUG

2008-01-21 Thread Scott Loveless
Submit your photos here: http://pdmlpug.org/?p=22

Does anyone else think we need a PUG theme based on the PDML mouse pad?

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Re: PESO 2008 - 02 - GDG

2008-01-22 Thread Scott Loveless
What Rick said.  And burn in the background a little.

Rick Womer wrote:
 I like it, but think it would be better with some
 cropping on the left.
 
 Rick
 
 --- Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Continuing ...

   

 http://homepage.mac.com/godders/02-over_tea-1210586.jpg
Over Tea - This Cafe Life 2008
Olympus E-1 + Vario-Elmarit 14-50/2.8-3.5 ASPH
 OIS
ISO 400 @ f/3.5 @ 1/40 sec, fl=25mm

 Comments, critique etc always appreciated.

 enjoy
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Re: Young squirts

2008-01-22 Thread Scott Loveless
Francis wrote:
 Is there any teenagers on this list (other than me)?
 Just curious...
 
 Francis
 www.islandlight.ca
 
We had a very pleasant fellow from Portland on the list not too long 
ago.  He sure acted like a teenager.  On crack.

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wireless flash on older bodies

2008-01-22 Thread Scott Loveless
Hey, gang!  Stupid question time.  (I know.  There are no stupid 
questions, only stupid people.)

Thinking about picking up a second AF-360 or a 540 for wireless flash on 
the K100D and, hopefully, the 645.  Digging through the 360 manual, the 
wireless flash instructions reference only P-TTL.  So what are my 
options with the 645 - one on the body, one on a stand?  Will I have to 
set both flashes manually?  Will it work at all?

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Re: Work flow with different cameras

2008-01-23 Thread Scott Loveless
David J Brooks wrote:
 
 Am i the only one keeping records like this.
 
Let's see.  Sometimes I develop my film, either here for BW or there 
for color.  Once that's done it might go in a sleeve, but sometimes I'll 
scan it first.  And if I get lazy it might not make it to the sleeve and 
I'll find it under a pile of dirty laundry or in a toy box 4 months later.

If it makes it to the sleeve it's probably safe.  That sleeve under the 
buffet is twisted a bit.  And I think there's one in the Megan's room, 
but I'm not sure.  If I'm really ambitious I'll label the sleeve with a 
Sharpy.

The sleeves that don't get used as baby doll blankets or drawer liners 
might go into a binder.  I think I have at least 3 binders around here. 
  At one time they were for color, BW and slides.  But the BW and 
slide binders filled up fast and the color stayed mostly empty, so the 
color binder became a catch-all for empty sleeves and then for BW and 
slides that wouldn't fit in the appropriate binders.  I think I know 
where they are.

You might think that once a roll makes it through the gauntlet that it's 
relatively safe.  Not so.  I might take it out to scan it and this 
process could start all over.

I hope that helps, Dave.  If you have any other questions, please let me 
know.

:)

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Re: wireless flash on older bodies

2008-01-23 Thread Scott Loveless
Bruce Dayton wrote:
 Both flashes support a manual slave mode - basically they will fire
 when another flash triggers them.  But there is no other communication
 - so no TTL or anything like that.  You would need to set the flashes
 power settings for the amount of light that you want.  Much like using
 studio strobes.
 
Sweet.  That's what I was hoping for.

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Re: wireless flash on older bodies

2008-01-23 Thread Scott Loveless
David J Brooks wrote:
 No expert on this at all Scott so use this with caution.:-)
 
 What about those ebay wireless triggers. I bought a pair for the 360
 and 285HV. I tested them on the 285 and they work, but no test on the
 360. Some places i hear you need to put a piece of electrical tape on
 the metal contact of the receiver as to not short  out the 360, and
 other places i hear its not necessary.
 Just a bit nervous to try it. Besides, the shoe on the receiver is
 tight, and i'm thinking a piece of tape might make it hard to get the
 flash on and off.
 
Those have been a consideration, but I'm interested in keeping P-TTL 
with the K100D.  I think a second 360 is probably my best bet at this point.

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Re: wireless flash on older bodies

2008-01-23 Thread Scott Loveless
John Graves wrote:
 Darn it Scott.I thought you were about to make a suggestion on how 
 to light bodies like us!
 
Har!

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Re: PESO: Fishing

2008-01-23 Thread Scott Loveless
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 I'd like it more if the fisherman was female, but the light is  
 interesting..
 
And I thought I had you figured out.

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Re: OT: Film advise

2008-01-23 Thread Scott Loveless
David Savage wrote:
 I've got a weekend trip coming up in a few weeks, while I'll mostly be
 shooting with the K10D, I'm planning on taking the 6x7 also.
 
 What I'm after is recommendations for colour slide film. I've never
 really shot slides much in the past, I was always more of a BW
 shooter, so I don't really have any clue as to what is good or what I
 should steer clear of.
 
 The main point of the trip is to get out of the city  shoot some star
 trails, with early morning sunrise  full sun beach/desert like
 scenery thrown in for good measure.
 
 Any recommendations/advise you can offer would be greatly appreciated.
 
Tungsten film.  Read this: 
http://www.thenocturnes.com/resources/tipstricks.html

The rest of the site has some wonderful resources, too.


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Re: OT: Bigfoot?

2008-01-23 Thread Scott Loveless
Mark Roberts wrote:
 frank theriault wrote:
 
 On Jan 23, 2008 3:53 PM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I dunno about the rest of you, but I think it looks like Bigfoot:
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7205004.stm

 I think it's Cotty.
 
 Cotty. Bigfoot.
 Come to think of it, I've never seen them photographed together. Hmm
 
 
I see what you're getting at, Mark, but it just doesn't add up.  There 
haven't been any Bigfoot sightings at GFM.

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Re: OT: Bigfoot?

2008-01-24 Thread Scott Loveless
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://www.cafepress.com/robertstech.218246788
 
 It  had to happen sooner or later...
 
 ===
 Think bird should be  bigger.
 
 Let's not be ashamed of our mascot bird.
 
 Marnie aka Doe  ;-)

Agreed.  Bigger.  And with a cat in its mouth.

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Re: Interview with Pentax Europe marketing director

2008-01-25 Thread Scott Loveless
Mark Roberts wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Warning Will Robinson - Pentax  entering the 'full-frame field' does
 not a K1D make!

 Okay, remind me (us),  Cotty.

 What K1D conditions had to be met so you would eat your hat?
 
 I'd say full-frame at 12 megapixels or more with AF and shutter system 
 upgraded from the K10D/20D (plus an upgrade in build quality and the 
 usual weather sealing, etc.)
 Street price between $2000 - $3000
 
 IOW, something in the Nikon D3 range but in a lower price bracket. A 
 reasonable goal in the not-too-distant future.
 
 
Are you willing to put your hiking boots on a plate to back that up?

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Re: K20D Kenny boy style

2008-01-26 Thread Scott Loveless
Bob W wrote:
 No but he claimed to get a pile of hate mail over his hands 
 on review 
 of the Pentax *ist-D or maybe it was the Ds, I can't remember 
 which and 
 can't be bothered to read his reviews section to find out..  
 
 ...isn't that rather a Ken-ish approach?
 
 I've just had a look at the review here:
 http://www.kenrockwell.com/pentax/istD.htm
 
 and I must say it seems perfectly reasonable, albeit rather thin. He
 gives the standard set of facts about the camera that you can get
 anywhere, and says I have only used it a little. It's a perfectly
 swell camera. I will presume image quality is the same as the other
 real DSLRs like the Nikon D100 and Canon 10D [...] By all means
 consider this. It should be much better than any non-SLR.
 
 It's somewhat useless as a review, but he says he used it, but only a
 little. I can see no reason for this to generate hate mail, or indeed
 any reaction other than 'so what?'.
 
You're a couple years too late, Bob.  The original review did not 
include ...and I must say it seems perfectly 
reasonable.By all means consider this

In place of that paragraph was a hit and run diatribe about how it can't 
compete with other cameras in it's price range, it' a day late, and how 
you shouldn't even consider the piece of crap and click my links at the 
bottom of the page to buy a Nikon.

It generated, apparently, some well deserved hate mail.  He pulled the 
same crap with 2 cameras at about the same time - D and Ds.  I believe 
he has changed both reviews.  He's a charlatan and an idiot.

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Re: K20D Kenny boy style

2008-01-26 Thread Scott Loveless
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 On Jan 26, 2008, at 6:04 AM, Scott Loveless wrote:
 
 ... He's a charlatan and an idiot.
 
 Um, so why do people here bother with reading his site?
 
 I've never visited his site. Is there something there that isn't a  
 waste of time?
 
No.  But you should visit sometime.  Soak it in a bit.  You'll find some 
jewels like Pros shoot slide film, amateurs shoot print film, 
portraits done with Velvia (and digital portraits made to look like they 
were shot with Velvia), hands off reviews, and the requisite page 
showing off his days-of-the-week cameras.

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Re: K20D Kenny boy style

2008-01-26 Thread Scott Loveless
Perry Pellechia wrote:
 Here is the original post archived for all eternity:
 
 http://web.archive.org/web/20040219184659/www.kenrockwell.com/pentax/istD.htm
 
 Where he admits:
 
 I haven't played with it. I will presume image quality is the same as
 the other real DSLRs like the Nikon D100 and Canon 10D, and far
 superior to compact non-SLRs like the Sony DSC-F828 and other
 point-and shoots.
 
 
That's not quite the original.  Initially, he never said that it should 
be considered.  He basically trashed it based on personal bias.  Shortly 
thereafter there was a little disclaimer at the top about the fan mail 
he received concerning his review.  It was later changed to what you 
linked to in the archive.  And finally, it was changed to what it is 
now.  That page has either shown a change of heart or, more likely 
(whoop-de-do), a bad case of CYA.

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Re: ARRRRGH! K10 D and 540 flash inseparable.

2008-01-27 Thread Scott Loveless
Paul Stenquist wrote:
 Yes, it's true. I mounted the 540 flash on the K10D this afternoon in  
 an effort to shoot some birdies, and now it won't come off. I tried a  
 little bit of WD40 ( a light lubricant), lots of tugging and pulling.  
 I'm guessing that a screw has come loose on the hot shoe and is  
 locking it in place. Any ideas? I'm thinking I'm going to have to  
 send camera and flash to Pentax. A pisser.
 Paul
 
When you twist the lock ring a little pin extends from the flash into 
the shoe.  It really sounds like the pin isn't retracting.  Try playing 
with the lock ring.  If the pin has broken loose, you might be able to 
get it to retract by holding the camera upside down and wiggling the flash.

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Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops

2008-01-28 Thread Scott Loveless
William Robb wrote:
 - Original Message - 
 From: Jack Davis 
 Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops
 
 
 Very interesting! I think Al Gore would like to see this as further
 proof of global warming.  ;-)
 
 Good God, all you people have to do is open your eyes.
 
I can see the thermometer from here.  It's f*cking cold outside.

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Re: Want recommendation for CF tripod

2008-01-28 Thread Scott Loveless
Tim Øsleby wrote:
 Yod don't need lighter tripod, you need more crack ;-)
 
Mark!


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Re: Oh, cormorants... (was Re: Ernesto - a man with the camera)

2008-01-28 Thread Scott Loveless
Dario Bonazza wrote:
 AlunFoto wrote:
 Say it with pictures, Bob... :-)
 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bilder/vis_bilde.cgi?id=269910sort=brukerid=kategori=


 Jostein
 
 Undoubtedly, this is the most cormo-ranting list I've been on! :-)
 
Yeah.  It's too bad cormorants don't have aperture simulators.

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Re: Want recommendation for CF tripod

2008-01-28 Thread Scott Loveless
Cotty wrote:
 On 28/01/08, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 Tim Øsleby wrote:
 Yod don't need lighter tripod, you need more crack ;-)

 Mark!
 
 DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN
 
HAHA!

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Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops

2008-01-30 Thread Scott Loveless
Dave, meet Dave.

David Savage wrote:
 And in my case don't xpekt me to stic to either your old or new
 spelling convenchons.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Dave
 
 On Jan 30, 2008 10:29 PM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey,
 We're re-inventing the language out here in the colonies.
 Don't expect us to stick to your 'old' English spellings!
 Regards,  Bob S.


 On Jan 30, 2008 3:14 AM, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2008/01/29 Tue PM 10:00:01 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops

 On Jan 29, 2008 4:20 PM, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Plethora of numbers and graphs and statistics, not dirth...
 (You liberal arts guys are supposed to know about words, not us
 math/science geeks!)
 (I'll bet the pollution is mostly in the creation and disposal of
 Prius batteries - life cycle costing)
 Regards,  Bob S.

 Plethora.  Dirth.

 Whatever...

 :-)

 red face
 If we're not being pedantic about this, neither of you will want to know 
 that it's spelled dearth.
 http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dearth
 Look like you are in good company, though.
 http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Dirth
 


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Re: PESO: For Scott Loveless

2008-01-31 Thread Scott Loveless
David Savage wrote:
 Given all his posts about bikes, I thought I'd share this shot I took
 a couple of days ago (~ 80kb):
 
 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2384/2232851072_7fb70be9fd.jpg
 
 Hope you like it mate.
 
It just so happens that I'm in need of a new saddle cover.

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Re: PESO: For Scott Loveless

2008-01-31 Thread Scott Loveless
HAR!  You found that on the shelf next to 101 Ways to Wok Your Dog, 
didn't you?

Rick Womer wrote:
 That would be a 102d use:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/2fynjf
 
 Rick
 
 --- Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 David Savage wrote:
 Given all his posts about bikes, I thought I'd
 share this shot I took
 a couple of days ago (~ 80kb):


 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2384/2232851072_7fb70be9fd.jpg
 Hope you like it mate.

 It just so happens that I'm in need of a new saddle
 cover.

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 Looking for last minute shopping deals?  
 Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.  
 http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
 


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Re: K10D - Brand New - $419

2008-02-01 Thread Scott Loveless
J. C. O'Connell wrote:
 Whats the scam???
 jco
 
 http://www.shopcartusa.com/P_Pentax_K10D_(Body_Only)_19091/PT_Y/?ic_c
 ampID=9
 8

After you place the order you'll get an email message asking you to call 
  for verification purposes.  At that point you'll get a hard sell on 
overpriced accessories, like a $30 lens cleaning cloth or a $200 1GB SD 
card.  If you don't pony up for the extra crap your camera is suddenly 
out of stock.  Good luck getting a refund.

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*ist top plate

2008-02-01 Thread Scott Loveless
Anybody have a clue how to get the top plate off an *ist (film body)?  I 
see lots of screws, but nothing is obvious.  I'd like to try cleaning 
the shutter release switch.

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PESO - for Mark Roberts

2008-02-02 Thread Scott Loveless
Continuing the theme, it seems.  Perhaps this will clarify the 
speculation and resolve the doubts.

http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/PDMLPESO/photo#5162441043955296530

P.S. - The PUG should be up within about 2 hours.

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February PUG is up. Rick.

2008-02-02 Thread Scott Loveless
February PUG is up.  See it at http://pug.komkon.org/

The theme for March is Macro and Close-up.  So break out the bellows, 
macro lenses, reversing rings, fish-eyes and have some fun!  Submit your 
photos here:  http://pdmlpug.org/?p=23

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Re: Personal Paw Guess who this is for

2008-02-03 Thread Scott Loveless
David J Brooks wrote:
 Finally had a chance to look at my PDML mail, and see som of the personal 
 paws.
 Great theme.
 
 Here is mine.
 
 http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v408/divad_b/?action=viewcurrent=personalpaw-3606.jpg
 
 Guess for whom.
 
_|_

Guess what that is.


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Incident light meters

2008-02-03 Thread Scott Loveless
Hi gang,

My old Minolta Pro light meter died a grisly, high speed death a few 
months back and I've been without a hand held meter ever since. 
Recommendations for another incident light meter would be much 
appreciated.  Not spot or flash.  Doesn't need to do the dishes or wipe 
my butt.  I'm looking for meat and potatoes, nothing fancy.  Preferably 
inexpensive, though that seems to be the golden egg.  Used is cool.

Intended use is street photography.  Get a reading, set the camera, 
shoot a few frames, lather, rinse, repeat.

Thanks.  Even to you, Dave.

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Re: Quiet List n/c

2008-02-03 Thread Scott Loveless
Perry Pellechia wrote:
 Everyone was watching my Giants win the Super Bowl!!
 
Not me.  I went grocery shopping.  Just like I do every year during the 
stupid bowl.  ;)

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Re: PESO - In the Slop

2008-02-04 Thread Scott Loveless
frank theriault wrote:
 We got a bit of snow on Friday.
 
 MX-5s aren't the best winter car, although at least the owner of this
 one has it shod with winter tires:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/23ffrd
 
 http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R6cSJHYrVWI/BaM/P5EszURf0NA/s1600-h/feb_04_08+002.jpg
 
 Comments always welcome!
 
Excellent!  We bought a Miata back in 98 because my wife just had to 
have one.  Turns out, it was really fun to drive.  When winter hit she 
made me drive it.  They're actually very good in the snow so long as 
it's not more than about 3 or 4 inches deep.  The front/rear weight 
distribution is nearly 50/50.  We sold it after Megan was born.

Thanks for the memories.

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Re: PESO: Nap Time

2008-02-04 Thread Scott Loveless
Paul Stenquist wrote:
 While my flash was stuck on the camera, I grabbed this:-)
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6885144size=lg
 
That's wonderful, Paul.  I see that you have a little princess at your 
home.  They're absolutely amazing at this age, aren't they?

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Re: Big Freakin Lens

2008-02-05 Thread Scott Loveless
Steve Desjardins wrote:
 For those of you looking to justify a larger camera bag:
 
 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0703/07030805sigma200500mm.asp
 
César!

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Re: American Experience - PBS

2008-02-05 Thread Scott Loveless
William Robb wrote:
 - Original Message - 
 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi
 Subject: Re: American Experience - PBS
 
 
 
 Of course, this evenings political football review will likely kill
 the broadcast tonight ...
 
 I mean this question in all seriousness, are you guys ever ~not~ having some 
 sort of presidential election?
 
We're not having one now, if that's what you mean.  Looks like it's 
going to come down to a giant douche and turd sandwich.  Neither of 
which is qualified.


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Re: American Experience - PBS

2008-02-06 Thread Scott Loveless
Adam Maas wrote:
 The primaries are not limited to only two parties. In fact the Green
 Party held 4 primaries on Super Tuesday as well. The Libertarian Party
 doesn't use the primary system, preferring a brokered convention. All
 the other parties are too small to really use the primary system,
 which is only of value to large parties. However the two largest
 parties do get most of the media coverage, with the Green party
 getting the rest (Despite the Libertarian party actually being larger.
 But then again, the Greens don't run outright nutjobs every 4 years
 for the Presidential Ticket).
 
To the contrary, Michael Badnarik was the only sane candidate last time 
around.

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Re: Yo again List Guy! Something still screwy!

2008-02-07 Thread Scott Loveless
Rick Womer wrote:
 8 messages dated Feb 7 in my mailbox; 21 in the
 archive.
 
 Is anybody else missing a lot of list traffic?
 
 I never got the message I sent about this last night,
 though it made it to the archive.
 
All of it has made it's way to my inbox.  Perhaps you're holding your 
mouth wrong.

:)

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OT - for our British friends (long)

2008-02-07 Thread Scott Loveless
Just in case you're in the neighborhood.

Date: Feb 7, 2008 7:10 AM
Subject:GLOSS WARMTONE GIVEAWAY AT FOCUS 08
Hi ILFORD PHOTO friends,

Just letting you know about an imminent giveaway from our sister company 
HARMAN PHOTO. It's basically you're chance to experience their new 
inkjet paper which - like the other papers in the range - offers a look, 
feel and level of quality that has led many people to describe it as 
being the closest digital alternative to a darkroom print they've ever 
encountered! Their words - not ours!

Anyway, here's the press release

GLOSS WARMTONE GIVEAWAY AT FOCUS 08

Visitors to Europe’s largest annual imaging show will be able to pick up 
free samples of the eagerly awaited fourth paper in HARMAN’s pioneering 
inkjet range

Following hot on the heels of its GLOSS FB AL paper which was greeted by 
global acclaim in 2007, HARMAN PHOTO (the inkjet brand of pioneering 
imaging specialist HARMAN technology Limited) is about to launch a 
warmtone version of the product. HARMAN PHOTO GLOSS FB AL WARMTONE will 
be officially available in UK stores at the end of February and to 
celebrate, the manufacturer intends to give away 2,500 free sample packs 
of the paper on its stand (Stand C2, Hall 9) at FOCUS ON IMAGING 2008.

Those fortunate enough to pick up a pack at the event, which runs from 
the 24th to the 27th February at Birmingham’s NEC, are in for something 
of a treat. The eagerly awaited GLOSS FB AL WARMTONE will continue 
HARMAN technology’s tradition of supplying the photographer with true 
fibre base inkjet papers for high quality giclee printing.

Set to be available in A4, A3, A3+ and A2+ (17x25) sheets, as well as 
17”, 24” and 44 rolls, it will offer all the same benefits as the 
brand’s GLOSS FB AL paper but with the added inclusion of a warmtone 
tint for photographers looking to create black and white prints with 
creamy whites and velvety blacks. Plus, for the first time ever and in 
direct response to customer requests, HARMAN PHOTO will be offering the 
paper in 25-sheet packs not just at A2+, but for A3 and A3+ sizes as well.

In addition, and like the rest of the HARMAN PHOTO range, which also 
includes MATT FB Mp and MATT FB Mp WARMTONE, the new paper will be 
manufactured entirely at HARMAN’s dedicated production facility in 
Mobberley, Cheshire, enabling the company to maintain consistent – and 
high levels of quality.


Even more notably, the new GLOSS FB AL WARMTONE, like its sister 
products, employs photo fibre Baryta. Widely associated with premium 
quality silver gelatine papers such as MULTIGRADE™ FB (which is produced 
by fellow HARMAN technology business ILFORD PHOTO), Baryta is a special 
coating that is traditionally applied to a fibre photographic paper base 
prior to coating with the emulsion layers. The technical benefits of the 
Baryta layer include greater detail and definition, extended tonal range 
and excellent archival properties. In addition, Baryta coated fibre 
papers have a unique look and feel which have become the standard for 
fine art photographers worldwide.

This fine art feel is further enhanced by the paper’s weight. At 320gsm, 
the GLOSS FB AL WARMTONE enjoys a strong resemblance to a traditional 
photographic print – a fact that has led to the other HARMAN PHOTO 
papers receiving praise from photographers across the world time and 
time again.

Aside from these benefits, the GLOSS FB AL WARMTONE also employs a 
unique nanoporous Alumina coating. This ensures a smooth gloss finish 
that really brings both colour and black and white images to life. An 
additional feature is the use of new and revolutionary anti-curl 
technology, which ensures the paper lies completely flat, both before 
and after printing.

Speaking of the new product, HARMAN PHOTO Marketing Director, Howard 
Hopwood, said: “At HARMAN technology, we’re every bit as passionate 
about photography as the people who use our products. As such, we 
understand that different photographers have different desires, tastes 
and aims when it comes to producing prints. To accommodate these diverse 
needs we are committed to offering a complete range of analogue and 
digital media and the new GLOSS FB AL WARMTONE is an evident example of 
this.”

“We are confident its impressive performance and ability to deliver 
superior results will make it an instant hit with both amateur and 
professional photographers alike.”

For more information on HARMAN PHOTO, visit www.harman-inkjet.com

For more information .. ON IMAGING 2008, visit www.focus-on-imaging.co.uk
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Re: OT - for our British friends (long)

2008-02-07 Thread Scott Loveless
mike wilson wrote:
 From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2008/02/07 Thu PM 02:40:37 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: OT - for our British friends (long)

 Just in case you're in the neighborhood.
 
 Drive to Birmingham (shudder) be treated worse than a swine with blue tongue 
 disease, have my wallet raped and pillaged, all for a sample pack of inkjet 
 paper?
 
 You must really like us.
 
 8-)
 
I take it you're going.

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Re: As requested by Mark Roberts, my pdml shirt photo

2008-02-07 Thread Scott Loveless
David J Brooks wrote:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6924736
 
 Shot this myself, with camera on the side board, and i think i pre
 focused abit off, but its close.
 
 This is my deer in head light look.:-)
 
 Dave
 
Ack!  When are you going to offer some witty PDML hats, Mark?  Dave has 
obviously lost his.

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Re: OT: ...and they say romance is dead

2008-02-07 Thread Scott Loveless
frank theriault wrote:
 On Feb 7, 2008 3:05 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7139492.stm
 
 I wonder what the guy's really says?
 
 cheers,
 frank

Frequent shopper.

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Kodak to sell off film production?

2008-02-08 Thread Scott Loveless
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article1343516.ece

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Re: K10D or K20D.

2008-02-08 Thread Scott Loveless
Tim Bray wrote:
 On Feb 8, 2008 10:07 AM, Malcolm Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Now I really don't know. I'd manage to get a K10D for a reasonable sum but
 the K20D is a big leap in spec from my *ist D and it offers me the bizarre
 situation of owning something current. Anyone else updating from an *ist D?
 
 I'm planning to.  I'm a little worried, the old *ist has made me very
 happy since I bought it in May 2004 (my write-up at the time:
 http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2004/05/16/PentaxDSLR).  I've
 grown so accustomed to the old Pentax that I'm sure the transition
 will be painful.  -T
 
Thanks for linking to your review of the *ist D, Tim.  I hadn't read 
that one yet.  I added a link to it from http://www.pdmlpug.org/.

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Re: Kodak to sell off film production?

2008-02-08 Thread Scott Loveless
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yep. Anyone who has studied Ansel's darkroom methodology has to
 realize that he would have loved PhotoShop. Do I hear fifty layer
 files? Paul 

No doubt about it.  I do wonder if he would have questioned the 
archivability of ink jet prints.  Perhaps he may have used a digital 
capture, but a digital projector and traditional black  white paper. 
Just a thought.  It's too bad he's not still around.

-- Original message --
 From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 William Robb wrote:
 From: Scott Loveless
 
 http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/artic
  le1343516.ece
 The last line is a hoot.
 
 Do you think Ansell Adams would have used digital?
 
 I believe in the last revamp of The Negative that Ansel edited
 before he died, he wrote about how exciting the age of digital
 was going to be, and how it would revolutionize photography. He
 wrote, knowing that he wouldn't live long enough to see the
 changes digital would bring to photography, but with a curious
 interest in the new technology, and a wistfulness that he
 wouldn't get a chance to see it mature.
 
 So yes, I am quite certain that Ansel Adams would have not only
 used digital, he would have embraced it, and I think digital
 would have been better off for it, in the same way that film was
 much improved by Ansels's advice to the film industry.
 Yep, I laughed at the ignorance of that line too. At the George
 Eastman house you can see a video of Adams in the last years of his
 life, working with students and talking about his enthusiasm for
 electronic photography. At the time, it was analog, not digital
 (basically still video), but he quite openly states that he sees it
 as the future and he's clearly excited about it.
 
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Re: Kodak to sell off film production?

2008-02-08 Thread Scott Loveless
frank theriault wrote:
 At one point in the fairly recent past I said I'd always use film, at
 least on some level.  I said that when I went digital I wouldn't stop
 using film, that I'd continue to use my film cameras for serious
 shooting as long as they continued to be functional.
 
 I got my *istD in (I think) April.
 
 Haven't bought a roll of film since.
 
 I took my Leica out one day and I think I only shot one or two frames
 - gosh, I can't just snap away at will, this is costing me money
 now! - and haven't used it since.
 
 I love film, still think it looks better (nothing beats TriX!) but I
 can't see using it again.
 
 Didn't take long for me to make the full conversion.  At least Kodak
 waited for me to go digital before they decided to shut 'er down...
 
When Christie and I got the 750z I think I made a statement along the 
lines of I don't see a need for color film, anymore.  Christie got a 
K100D right after they came out and I started reaching for that for 
quick snapshots.  (I still do.)  Shortly thereafter I got a K10D and 
used that exclusively for several months.  I certainly can't complain 
about the camera.

What I missed was the black and white process.  Saint Ansel referred to 
it as donkey work.  I also missed the tactile aspects of film in 
general - putting slides in the trays, sleeving the negatives, etc. 
Editing on a computer screen sucks, at least for me.  It's even less fun 
when I have to scan those slides and negatives, but at least I get to do 
the touchy-feely part of photography that I really like. I no longer own 
the K10D.

I suppose the end result should be the driving factor, and that the 
stuff in the middle shouldn't really matter.  But for me that part in 
the middle is the most fun.  I'll try the digital thing again when 
traditional black and white film, chemicals, and paper becomes too 
inconvenient to purchase.

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Re: Kodak to sell off film production?

2008-02-08 Thread Scott Loveless
Cotty wrote:
 On 08/02/08, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 I suppose the end result should be the driving factor, and that the 
 stuff in the middle shouldn't really matter.  But for me that part in 
 the middle is the most fun.  I'll try the digital thing again when 
 traditional black and white film, chemicals, and paper becomes too 
 inconvenient to purchase.
 
 If you're at GFM this year, I've got something for you to try that could
 change your mind.
 
Too late.  I tried César's M3 last year.

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Re: Kodak to sell off film production?

2008-02-08 Thread Scott Loveless
Scott Loveless wrote:
 Cotty wrote:
 If you're at GFM this year, I've got something for you to try that could
 change your mind.

 Too late.  I tried César's M3 last year.
 

Speaking of which, I left my film in that camera.  Ever get around to 
souping it, César?

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Re: As requested by Mark Roberts, my pdml shirt photo

2008-02-08 Thread Scott Loveless
Mark Roberts wrote:
 Scott Loveless wrote:
 David J Brooks wrote:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6924736

 Shot this myself, with camera on the side board, and i think i pre
 focused abit off, but its close.

 This is my deer in head light look.:-)

 Dave

 Ack!  When are you going to offer some witty PDML hats, Mark?  Dave has 
 obviously lost his.
 
 Your wish is my command...
 
 http://www.cafepress.com/robertstech.225014701

I was thinking that the billboard style hat with Dave's Hat and the 
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Re: As requested by Mark Roberts, my pdml shirt photo

2008-02-08 Thread Scott Loveless
Mark Roberts wrote:
 Boris Liberman wrote:
 David J Brooks wrote:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6924736

 Shot this myself, with camera on the side board, and i think i pre
 focused abit off, but its close.

 This is my deer in head light look.:-)

 Pleasure meeting you, Dave ;-).
 
 Don't be so hasty: You haven't met him in person yet!
 
He hasn't tried to sleep within 20 feet of him, either.


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Sunday morning in DC

2008-02-09 Thread Scott Loveless
Howdy.

I'm in Tysons Corner right now, sitting in a hotel across the street 
from some damn big shopping mall.  The wife is dragging me, kicking and 
screaming, to a dinner with her coworkers this evening.  I may have a 
couple hours to kill tomorrow morning.  So if anyone wants to go shoot 
just let me know.

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Re: PESO - House on the Hill

2008-02-11 Thread Scott Loveless
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I like it. Very much. Nice rendering. Interesting scne.
 But -- what Jack said. The house is going to slide down the hill:-).
 Paul
  -- Original message --
 From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Like traveling around in a well focused detailed shot such as this.
 Enjoyed the trip.
 I'd not be able to resist eventually leveling the roof top, but then
 I'm weak. :/

 Jack
 --- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://tinyurl.com/2ufsmq


 http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R7BnokgqfnI/Bck/Bd15R1hHu-s/s1600-h/

Tilt, schmilt.  My head's crooked anyway.  I like it, Frank.

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Re: wishlist: 4 lenses for your Pentax

2008-02-11 Thread Scott Loveless
Roman Melihhov wrote:
 If you could have 4 lenses (already in production or under development) 
 for your Pentax DSLR. What it would be?
 
I don't have a DSLR, you insensitive clod.  vbg

Otherwise, I'd like the three original LTD lenses and an FA*24/2.

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Re: wishlist: 4 lenses for your Pentax

2008-02-11 Thread Scott Loveless
P. J. Alling wrote:
 Scott Loveless wrote:
 Roman Melihhov wrote:
   
 If you could have 4 lenses (already in production or under development) 
 for your Pentax DSLR. What it would be?

 
 I don't have a DSLR, you insensitive clod.  vbg

 Otherwise, I'd like the three original LTD lenses and an FA*24/2.

   
 I'll sell you one of mine.
 
How much you want for the FA*24/2?  :)

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Re: Cushman photos in Harrisburg, PA

2008-02-11 Thread Scott Loveless
A slight correction/confirmation.  It looks like all of his Harrisburg 
photos were taken on February 1st, 1941, as were some photos from 
Pittsburgh.  He couldn't possibly have spent too much time here.  He was 
in Delaware the day before.  The notes for one of the photos taken 
between Harrisburg and Pittsburgh mention a Superhighway.  He was 
probably traveling by car along the PA Turnpike.

Scott Loveless wrote:
 This is looking north along 10th St. 
 http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02174.jpg
 
 And this one is looking north along South Cameron. 
 http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02175.jpg
 
 The notes for those photos indicate he shot them from one of 
 Harrisburg's high bridges.  The only existing bridge that he could have 
 possibly taken these from is on Mulberry St.  There are some photos of 
 the camera equipment he used at 
 http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/cushman/overview/cameraEquipSlide.jsp?page=1 
 and it looks like he carried a 50 and a 135.  It appears that the photo 
 of Cameron St. was probably taken with the 50, and the photo of 10th 
 with the 135.  Near the top left of both photos, just beyond the stacks, 
 are two columns.  These columns are at the west end of the bridge on 
 State St.  The Pennsylvania Capitol building is just to the west of 
 their location.  Ann and I did a little shooting under the State St. 
 bridge just after GFM last year.
 
 Just for giggles, I'm going to hypothesize that he traveled along 
 Mulberry, which turns north-west approaching the Capitol building, and 
 probably took these photos on the same day within a very short period of 
 time.  This photo looks northwest along 4th to the Capitol. 
 http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02176.jpg  The 
 Alva restaurant is still there and is very popular.  The local bike club 
 ends their Sunday morning rides at the Alva.  4th St. is still one-way, 
 in the same direction the photo indicates.  The train station is one 
 block east and the Alva has entrances on both sides.
 
 This is fun!  I'm going to get some K64 and try to reproduce these. 
 It'll be interesting to see the time lapse.
 


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Cushman photos in Harrisburg, PA

2008-02-11 Thread Scott Loveless
This is looking north along 10th St. 
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02174.jpg

And this one is looking north along South Cameron. 
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02175.jpg

The notes for those photos indicate he shot them from one of 
Harrisburg's high bridges.  The only existing bridge that he could have 
possibly taken these from is on Mulberry St.  There are some photos of 
the camera equipment he used at 
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/cushman/overview/cameraEquipSlide.jsp?page=1 
and it looks like he carried a 50 and a 135.  It appears that the photo 
of Cameron St. was probably taken with the 50, and the photo of 10th 
with the 135.  Near the top left of both photos, just beyond the stacks, 
are two columns.  These columns are at the west end of the bridge on 
State St.  The Pennsylvania Capitol building is just to the west of 
their location.  Ann and I did a little shooting under the State St. 
bridge just after GFM last year.

Just for giggles, I'm going to hypothesize that he traveled along 
Mulberry, which turns north-west approaching the Capitol building, and 
probably took these photos on the same day within a very short period of 
time.  This photo looks northwest along 4th to the Capitol. 
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P02176.jpg  The 
Alva restaurant is still there and is very popular.  The local bike club 
ends their Sunday morning rides at the Alva.  4th St. is still one-way, 
in the same direction the photo indicates.  The train station is one 
block east and the Alva has entrances on both sides.

This is fun!  I'm going to get some K64 and try to reproduce these. 
It'll be interesting to see the time lapse.

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Sunday morning in DC report

2008-02-11 Thread Scott Loveless
Howdy.

Mike B. (Beaker) made the trek to my hotel Sunday morning and we 
ventured to the Meadowlark Nature Photography Expo, which was only about 
4 miles away.  Therein we found a Zeiss booth.  The rep had one PK mount 
lens on hand - the 35/2.  Very nice.  It's quite similar in appearance 
to the Voigtlander that was discussed on list recently.  In other words, 
very nice.
http://www.meadowlarkphotoexpo.org/index.html

I hadn't planned on doing any shooting while in the DC area, so I only 
brought along the 750z.  Mike had the foresight to bring two cameras 
along, so I shot a few frames with his K100D and an Isco-Gottingen 
50/2.8.  This thing is tiny.  Even smaller than the Pentax 40mm lenses. 
  I uploaded two photos here:
http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/PDMLPESO/photo#5165495070951019666
http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/PDMLPESO/photo#5165495122490627234

Mike dropped me off just after noon, but said he was going back to the 
expo.  Tony Sweet was speaking Sunday afternoon.  Perhaps Mike can fill 
us in on the rest of the day.

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Scanning and tone scales

2008-02-11 Thread Scott Loveless
This is from the Kodak publication E-88, Kodachrome 64 and 200 Films.

The KODACHROME Film family is characterized by sets
of image dyes which perform very similarly when scanned.
The scanner operator can set up one basic tone scale and
color-correction channel for KODACHROME Films, and
then optimize the tone scale and gray balance for the
requirements of individual images.

Would someone mind translating that?  Please assume that you're talking 
to a moron.  Thanks!

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Re: Sunday morning in DC report

2008-02-11 Thread Scott Loveless
Cotty wrote:
 On 11/02/08, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 I hadn't planned on doing any shooting while in the DC area, so I only 
 brought along the 750z.
 
 
 Mark!
 
 
Smart ass.


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Re: PESO: Macro flute

2008-02-11 Thread Scott Loveless
Rick Womer wrote:
 My wife plays the flute, and it is a beautiful
 instrument to look at as well as to hear.  I played
 it photographically.
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6941246size=lg
 
 K10D, FA 50/2.8 macro, ISO 400, f/16 @ 1/45, RAW via
 LR.  the flute was resting on a clean, pressed dark
 blue dinner napkin, and lit by a fluorescent light box
 covered with a couple of layers of tissue paper.
 
Perfect!  Now just paste some flute maker's mark at the top and you've 
got their catalog cover for next year.  Good job.

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Re: wishlist: 4 lenses for your Pentax

2008-02-11 Thread Scott Loveless
Cotty wrote:
 On 11/02/08, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 (with apologies to Dr Suise). 
 
 Would he, could he, live in Zurich by any chance?
 
He could live in Zurick!  With a Flantz.  The Flantz who wears pink 
underpants!

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Re: Charles W. Cushman, color slide photographer 1938-1969.

2008-02-11 Thread Scott Loveless
Lasse Karlsson wrote:
 Just in case it hasn't been mentioned on the list before, i'd like to point 
 you to a very insteresting photo collection, available on the net since a 
 few years back.
 
 This is a link to the index (Home) page of the collection:
 
 http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/cushman/index.jsp
 
Thanks, Lasse.  There's some really interesting content there.  Just to 
add to the discussion, Shorpy has an interesting collection of old 
photographs.  There are quite a few 4x5 Kodachromes, as well.

http://www.shorpy.com/

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Re: Scanning and tone scales

2008-02-11 Thread Scott Loveless
Mark Roberts wrote:
 Scott Loveless wrote:
 This is from the Kodak publication E-88, Kodachrome 64 and 200 Films.

 The KODACHROME Film family is characterized by sets
 of image dyes which perform very similarly when scanned.
 The scanner operator can set up one basic tone scale and
 color-correction channel for KODACHROME Films, and
 then optimize the tone scale and gray balance for the
 requirements of individual images.

 Would someone mind translating that?  Please assume that you're talking 
 to a moron.  Thanks!
 
 Sounds like it means If you set up color management with a proper 
 profile you'll get consistent results, though the wording is so strange 
 I can't be sure. Since it's about Kodachrome it may have been written 
 before the argot of color management was widespread enough to be 
 understood by many people (including the person at Kodak who wrote the 
 above).
 Actually, since it's about Kodachrome, it may have been written before 
 movable type was invented. Did the document have hand-drawn 
 illuminations in the margins?

The publication is actually dated 2005.  I figure the bulk of it was 
written long before then, and simply updated later with references to 
scanning.
 
 
 
A big thanks to PJ, Godfrey and Mark for the replies.  I was hoping that 
I had stumbled upon some deep dark secret.  Oh, well.  Try and try and 
try again.  And again.

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Hey, Derby!

2008-02-12 Thread Scott Loveless
Derby,

Would you mind putting that photo of your re-skinned 645 back on your 
site?  It looks like it's not there anymore.

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Re: No content

2008-02-12 Thread Scott Loveless
Mark Roberts wrote:
 ...What is a good answer to the question Are you dissatisfied?
 
 

Ask my wife.

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Re: Sunday morning in DC report

2008-02-12 Thread Scott Loveless
David Savage wrote:
 On Feb 12, 2008 11:53 AM, Beaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sad to report that the Tony Sweet talk was sold out by the time I got
 back.
 
 Crib notes:
 
 - Buy a Lensbaby,
 - Buy a bazillion dollars worth of Singh Ray filters.
 
No kidding.  You forgot the complete collection of L lenses, because 
everything else is shit.

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Re: PESO - Gooderham Flatiron at Night

2008-02-12 Thread Scott Loveless
Adam Maas wrote:
 Was out a week ago with my 645 Super doing some night shooting after I
 got called into work a shift. That camera is well on its way to paying
 for itself via extra shifts (If I'm on-call, I can't take it out
 shooting without getting called in to work). Made lemonade out of the
 situation by heading down to Front St for some long-exposure fun after
 the shift.
 
 http://flickr.com/photos/mawz/2250725506/
 
 Larger/Direct Link
 
 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2334/2250725506_65cdc36bd4_b.jpg
 
 55mm lens, Provia100F, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I love the light in this one.  You really nailed it.  (I do have to 
apologize, though.  The first words to enter my head upon viewing your 
photograph were Ghost Busters.)

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Re: Sunday morning in DC report

2008-02-12 Thread Scott Loveless
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 On Feb 12, 2008, at 1:17 AM, Cotty wrote:
 
 On 11/02/08, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:

 Smart ass.
 Yeah but you love me.
 
 He did say that you had a smart ass ... ]'-)
 
Groan.


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Re: PESO: Pinnacles

2008-02-12 Thread Scott Loveless
David Savage wrote:
 G'day All,
 
 One from the weekend (~150kb)
 
 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2209/2258045616_6bbe97702c_o.jpg
 
 The Pinnacles, Nambung National Park, Western Australia (tech details
 in the EXIF data)
 
 Any  all comments welcome.
 
Wow.  Just wow.  (Mental note: Add Dave to my hate list.)


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Re: PESO: Macro flute BW

2008-02-13 Thread Scott Loveless
Mark Roberts wrote:
 Rick Womer wrote:
 In response to a suggestion:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6944345size=lg

 I also lightened the background a bit, using the LR
 Grayscale Mix sliders.

 Personally, I prefer the color version.
 
 I agree. Personally, I didn't see any reason to mess with the original. 
 It's great as is.
 
Agreed.

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Re: Oh, the temptation...

2008-02-13 Thread Scott Loveless
William Robb wrote:
 I am going to try to not buy the K20...
 
 William Robb 
 
 
MARK!


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PESO - Swinging

2008-02-14 Thread Scott Loveless
I've been staring at this one for a while, and I'm still not sure if I 
like it.  So I thought I'd let the collective make up my mind for me. 
;) 
http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/MeganAndMolly/photo#5154404518927952050

Holga, some cheap Eastern Bloc film that won't lay flat, f8 @ 1/60 (give 
or take).

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Re: PESO - Swinging

2008-02-14 Thread Scott Loveless
Walter Hamler wrote:
 Something different. I have never played with a Holga but several
 folks in the camera club are using them a lot.

Thanks, Walt.  Much appreciated.  They're only about $20.  Give it a try.

 Why are the edges dark like you are shooting through a tube?

HAR!  Holgas are junk.  All of them vignette to some degree, which is 
what you're seeing here.  Most of them have light leaks, too.  It's all 
part of the kitschy experience.

 On 2/14/08, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/MeganAndMolly/photo#5154404518927952050

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Pentax 6x7 owner's manual rear cover

2008-02-14 Thread Scott Loveless
I've been pouring over Sam Haskins' photos because they're, uh, 
educational.  From a photographer's perspective.  Or *insert other 
convenient excuse here*.  Anyway, it looks like Pentax used to be a bit 
more lively with their calendars and camera manuals.  Does anyone know 
if Mr. Haskins shot this: 
http://www.dantestella.com/technical/pentax67.html

That photo is probably not work safe if you work in the US, Canada or 
some other country with rather puritanical opinions about nudity.

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Re: PESO - Swinging

2008-02-14 Thread Scott Loveless
Bran Everseeking wrote:
 On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:51:03 -0500
 Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I've been staring at this one for a while, and I'm still not sure if
 I like it.  So I thought I'd let the collective make up my mind for
 me. ;) 
 http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/MeganAndMolly/photo#5154404518927952050
 
 All that is endearing about Holga.  Not sure about the obstruction in
 the Lower left but I suspect its part of the whole mix.
 
Thanks, Bran.  Do you mean the lower right?  The lower left is simply 
vignetting.  The lower right is probably my finger or a camera strap or 
some schmutz on the lens.  Who knows?

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Re: PESO: Chariot

2008-02-14 Thread Scott Loveless
David Savage wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:33 AM, frank theriault
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Feb 11, 2008 10:53 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2120/2257247931_433d2609d0_o.jpg
  

  You bastard!!
 
 Thanks mate.
 
Frank's jealous of your SUV.  ;)  Excellent shot.  Wish I was there.


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Re: Pentax 6x7 owner's manual rear cover

2008-02-14 Thread Scott Loveless
Bob W wrote:
 I do hope you mean poring rather than pouring...
Freudian slip?  And, yes, I meant poring.

 
 Sam Haskins was quite a name way back when. He had an exhibition in
 London 2-3 years ago and has done some quite interesting stuff
 relatively recently.
 
 I've no idea if that's one of his. Could be one of Bob Shell's - he
 seems to like his nudes in ruins.

Thanks, Bob.  Hadn't thought of that.

 
 Bob 
 
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 I've been pouring over Sam Haskins' photos because they're, uh, 
 educational.  From a photographer's perspective.  Or *insert other 
 convenient excuse here*.  Anyway, it looks like Pentax used 
 to be a bit 
 more lively with their calendars and camera manuals.  Does 
 anyone know 
 if Mr. Haskins shot this: 
 http://www.dantestella.com/technical/pentax67.html

 That photo is probably not work safe if you work in the US, Canada
 or 
 some other country with rather puritanical opinions about nudity.

 
 


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Re: PESO - Swinging

2008-02-14 Thread Scott Loveless
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Didn't  notice it was a Holga pic on my previous response. That's
 what I get for not reading all the way to the end. I guess that makes
 it a good Holga pic. Soft is part of the package. Maybe I understand
 the aesthetic of Holga shooting:-). Paul

And Rick said this, though I had to go to the archives to get it.
(You're mail problems are contagious, Rick!)

It has a rather Soviet-era air about it, for sure.  I
have mixed feelings about it too.  Without the Soviet
touches it would be an ordinary snap.

Rick

 http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/MeganAndMolly/photo#5154404518927952050
 
 

I don't think we should put qualifiers on good photographs.  I think 
it's kind of a fun photo, but I'm not sure if it qualifies as good. 
Maybe artsy?  Who knows?  Holgas have received quite a lot of attention 
these last few years, and that's one of the reasons I own one.  And I 
suppose it is good enough for a Holga.  (I'm not bashing Paul's response 
here.)  But to qualify it that way make me think of the jokes on this 
list about professional photographers and Pentax cameras.  :)  I'm 
probably putting too much effort into this.  It's a fun snap, nothing more.

Thanks for the replies, folks.  Much appreciated.

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Re: PESO - Swinging

2008-02-14 Thread Scott Loveless
Mat Maessen wrote:
 On 2/14/08, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/MeganAndMolly/photo#5154404518927952050

  Holga, some cheap Eastern Bloc film that won't lay flat, f8 @ 1/60 (give
  or take).
 
 Someone took the film guide out of his Holga to make it a 6x6. :-)
 OOC, how do you keep the exposed sharp edges from scratching the film
 after the guide is removed?

The newer Holgas, produced in the last year or two, come with two film 
guides - 645 and 6x6.  No more sharp edges!  I should have lied and told 
you how I spent countless hours filing and sanding and light proofing my 
little plastic toy.

 
 This is the kind of shot that a Holga is great for. I like it.

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Re: PESO - Swinging

2008-02-14 Thread Scott Loveless
P. J. Alling wrote:
 I'd day use an old brownie instead, except the quality is so much better.
 
I have an Agfa Isoly Junior like this one here: 
http://www.chromeagecamera.com/Isoly.htm  It's rather funky in that it 
takes 120 roll film, but produces a 4x4 square image.  I believe the 
infamous Diana was a copy of this camera.  I'll see if I have some pics 
from it.

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Re: PESO - Swinging

2008-02-14 Thread Scott Loveless
Bob W wrote:
 it builds on and extends a line of artistic descent from Fragonard and
 Watteau, through Renoir and Winslow Homer all the way to Gerry and the
 Pacemakers. Congratulations - you are living proof of Wittgenstein's
 theory of art as family resemblance.

Thanks.  I think.  While I most definitely am the product of a
descent, I'll have to disagree with your intentional butchering of
art.  LOL.  You made my day, Bob.

 
 Bob 
 
 I've been staring at this one for a while, and I'm still not 
 sure if I 
 like it.  So I thought I'd let the collective make up my mind for
 me. 
 ;) 
 http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/MeganAndMolly/photo#515
 4404518927952050

 Holga, some cheap Eastern Bloc film that won't lay flat, f8 @ 
 1/60 (give 
 or take).

 Thanks!
 
 


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Re: 'nother test

2008-02-14 Thread Scott Loveless
Jack Davis wrote:
 Appears you folks are being deprived of my posts again. |-D
 Anyone else?
 
 Jack
 
Before this test message, the most recent I saw from you was 9:18pm EST, 
Feb 12th.  Today, one of my own messages never appeared in the archive 
and at least one of Rick Womer's messages that did show up in the 
archive never made it to my inbox.  You guys with yahoo email addresses 
seem to be having problems.  The message I sent earlier that didn't make 
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Re: PESO - Swinging (with a Brownie Surprise)

2008-02-14 Thread Scott Loveless
Christine Aguila wrote:
 Scott: I was just reading an article in Photolife about toy cameras.  Then 
 you posted your really sweet photo Swinging.  Then I read Peter's post about 
 the Brownie Camera.  Then I had a flash from the past  was pretty sure I 
 had a Brownie.  Then I started digging around in messy closets in the house. 
 Then I found the following:
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6951593size=lg
 
 Then--I opened the camera (took me a while to figure that out).  Then I 
 found this:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6951597size=lg
 
 I do know I didn't shoot that film.  Looks like the camera takes 127 film. 
 Do you think I can still buy film for this camera?  I'll be out-and-about 
 with errands tomorrow.  Do ya think I'll be stopping at the camera shop?
 
I'd do a few Google searches for places that specialize in processing 
expired film.  There are a few threads at photo.net about this sort of 
thing.

As far as I know, Efke R100 (BW) is about the only film still available 
in 127.  BH and Freestyle both carry it.  About $5/roll.

http://www.freestylephoto.biz/sc_prod.php?cat_id=pid=101827

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Re: Oh, the temptation...

2008-02-14 Thread Scott Loveless
Cotty wrote:
 DA*200/2.8.
 
 Forgive my ignorance (and it is great), but why would anyone want a
 prime lens at this length when a 70 or 80 - 200 2.8 zoom is available
 (assuming of course optical performance of the zoom matches up to the prime) ?
 
 I can understand a 300 or 400 at 2.8, but not a 200.
 
 
Please see http://www.cafepress.com/robertstech.215324984

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Re: PESO - Swinging

2008-02-15 Thread Scott Loveless
Bob W wrote:
 it builds on and extends a line of artistic descent from Fragonard and
 Watteau, through Renoir and Winslow Homer all the way to Gerry and the
 Pacemakers. Congratulations - you are living proof of Wittgenstein's
 theory of art as family resemblance.

Thanks.  I think.  While I most definitely am the product of a 
descent, I'll have to disagree with your intentional butchering of 
art.  LOL.  You made my day, Bob.

 
 Bob 
 
 I've been staring at this one for a while, and I'm still not 
 sure if I 
 like it.  So I thought I'd let the collective make up my mind for
 me. 
 ;) 
 http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/MeganAndMolly/photo#515
 4404518927952050

 Holga, some cheap Eastern Bloc film that won't lay flat, f8 @ 
 1/60 (give 
 or take).

 Thanks!
 
 


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PESO - Grin

2008-02-16 Thread Scott Loveless
Taken a couple weeks ago.  645, SMC-A 35/3.5, 400TX, Dektol 1+10 for 5 
minutes at 72F.  (WTF?  Did he say Dektol?)  Yep.  Couldn't find the 
bottle of HC110, so I mixed up some Dektol.  I like the tonality, but I 
missed the focus.  Her right hand is about where head was when I started 
to press the button.  Anyway, critiques welcome and thanks for looking.

http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/MeganAndMolly/photo#5167600219106383026

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Re: Global warming: Icy lolipops

2008-02-16 Thread Scott Loveless
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 On Feb 16, 2008, at 8:18 PM, keith_w wrote:
 
 That man can do a damned thing about changing the course of it's 
 progression or it's magnitude is just so much hogwash, and cannot be 
 supported.
 Not MY words, the words of many renown scientists.
 
 Please list their names.
 
 G
 
Will links do?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/18/wsun18.xml
http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/04/29/is-global-warming-solar-induced/
http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller21.html
http://www.livescience.com/environment/070312_solarsys_warming.html
http://www.aip.org/pnu/2003/split/642-2.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_controversy#Alternate_hypotheses
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/03/030321075236.htm

But it's just a crackpot theory.  It's not like they're ALL scientists. 
  You know, like us.

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Re: PESO 2008 - 05 - GDG

2008-02-16 Thread Scott Loveless
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 Another photo available for viewing ...
 
http://homepage.mac.com/godders/05-absorbed.jpg
Absorbed - This Cafe Life 2008
Olympus E-1 + ZD 35mm f/3.5 Macro
ISO 200 @ f/5.0 @ 1/20 sec
 
 Comments and Critique always appreciated.
 
 enjoy
 Godfrey
 
At first I thought the contrast was a bit too much.  But that straw in 
the girl's hands really adds something special to the photo with the way 
it follows the edge of the window light across her face.  Otherwise, I 
really like this.

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Re: PESO - Grin

2008-02-16 Thread Scott Loveless
William Robb wrote:
 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Loveless
 Subject: PESO - Grin
 
 
 Taken a couple weeks ago.  645, SMC-A 35/3.5, 400TX, Dektol 1+10 for 5
 minutes at 72F.  (WTF?  Did he say Dektol?)  Yep.  Couldn't find the
 bottle of HC110, so I mixed up some Dektol.  I like the tonality, but I
 missed the focus.  Her right hand is about where head was when I started
 to press the button.  Anyway, critiques welcome and thanks for looking.
 
 When I was doing my custom BW photo lab gig, I would do all my printing, 
 and then tray develop my copy negs in the depleted Dektol. I rarely wyld be 
 shooting more than a half dozen negs a day, and it just seemed silly to fire 
 up the processor for such a short run.
 I never had any complaints from customers, and the film (I was using PanF+) 
 seemed immune to the grain clumping that one would expect from this sort of 
 mistreatment, and always printed at a reasonable filtration of ~30-50M.
 
I have a roll of PanF in the fridge.  I'll try it.  But you were 
probably using 4x5 negs, weren't you?

The massive dev chart suggests 5 min at 72F (22C) for Dektol 1+10 and 
Tri-X exposed at 400.  The grain is really apparent when I blow up 
scanned images 3 or 4 times.  It seems fine, though, for web 
presentation.  I'd imagine that it's probably OK for 8x10 prints, too.

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Re: PESO - Grin

2008-02-16 Thread Scott Loveless
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 On Feb 16, 2008, at 7:34 AM, Scott Loveless wrote:
 
 http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/MeganAndMolly/ 
 photo#5167600219106383026
 
 Excellent shot, too bad about the missed focus. There's something  
 about that lens on 645 that just works *right*. :-)
 
 Godfrey
 
Thanks, Godfrey.  I really like that lens.  A lot.  It does have a 
learning curve, but so far I've probably used it for 90% of my shots 
with the 645.

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Re: Canadian K20 Release date

2008-02-17 Thread Scott Loveless
Tim Bray wrote:
 On Feb 17, 2008 8:17 AM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The Don say that the K20 will be available in their stores on March 03.
 Body only $1399.99
 Kit (18-55) $1499.99

 Damn.
 
 Why Damn, what's the problem?  -T
 
Bill is trying real hard to NOT buy the K20D.  I'm guessing $1399.99 
isn't too much to turn him away.  I feel sorry for the poor fellow.

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Re: Canadian K20 Release date

2008-02-17 Thread Scott Loveless
Rebekah wrote:
 wow, am I the only one excited that the price on the K10D will drop
 when the 20 hits the shelves?
 
Apparently.  Everyone else already has one, and now they're trying to 
figure out how to unload it _before_ the K20 hits (to maximize their 
returns) but not be without a camera during that time.  Oh, it's a 
cruel, cruel world.

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Re: In the same Pop Photo Issue...

2008-02-18 Thread Scott Loveless
William Robb wrote:
 - Original Message - 
 From: Jack Davis
 Subject: In the same Pop Photo Issue...
 
 
 There is, also, a Michael McNamara article in the March issue titled,
 Digital Wins.
 To make his point that digital noise is a less grainy image than is
 that made with film of the same ISO rating, he displays two thumbnail
 images. He chose 1600 ISO to demonstrate.
 The film image is a scan of Fujicolor Superia and the digital image is
 that made with a K20D.
 His point is certainly confirmed when the comparison is made. (have a
 magnifying glass at hand) ;)
 
 As soon as the film is scanned, the comparison becomes irrelevant. Scanning 
 introduces a lot of 
 issues such as grain aliasing and other artifacts. When someone makes an 
 optical orint and 
 compares it to a digital print, then they are making a valid comparison.
 Having said that, I owuld be very surprised if a 35mm film print of any speed 
 of film would look 
 as good as a print from a 14mp SLR shot at the same ISO.
 
 William Robb
 
 
Define good.

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Re: Peso Drive by drive in

2008-02-18 Thread Scott Loveless
David J Brooks wrote:
 Shot this on Hwy 25, i think, going North from Port Huron.
 
 Our speed limit is 35mph max so this one was a bit easier to pan, and
 its actually quite sharp.:-)
 
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6964666
 
 Closed up drive in. Love drive in's even if they are closed.
 
Hi, Dave.  This one looks a bit gray to me.  I think it needs more 
contrast.  Other than that I really like it.

It's probably closed for the season.  It looks well maintained and the 
flag is in good shape, as far as I can tell.  It seems that the handful 
of remaining drive-ins aren't doing too bad.

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