Re: Why do they insist on making PPM so difficult to troubleshoot ??
Sisyphus wrote: Yes - that's possibly what I was trying to find. I've since had time to take a more thorough look at the ppm documentation and, in so doing, found that the ppd file can be displayed by running: ppm describe -ppd DBI Interestingly, that displays a slightly different ppd file to the one I see when I browse to http://ppm.activestate.com/PPMPackages/5.8-windows/DBI.ppd . (The difference is that one way lists a fully qualified CODEBASE HREF path, whereas the other lists a relative CODEBASE HREF path. I'm not sure what's happening there ... I think I don't want to think about it any more perhaps Gozer can give a more complete answer, but I expect the difference is that the ppd with the url above is available for PPM2 compatibility, whereas in ppm3, you are hitting Gozer's new, super-fast, super-cool mod_perl server implementation. Part of the reason why people were seeing failures initially was due to some bugs in the new server codebase, but we believe these have all now been resolved. In our tests ppm is now much faster, and also puts almost no load on the server it is running on. cheers, JeffG ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list Perl-Win32-Users@listserv.ActiveState.com To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
RE: Why do they insist on making PPM so difficult to troubleshoot ??
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, Jeff Griffiths wrote: perhaps Gozer can give a more complete answer, but I expect the difference is that the ppd with the url above is available for PPM2 compatibility, whereas in ppm3, you are hitting Gozer's new, super- fast, super-cool mod_perl server implementation. Part of the reason why people were seeing failures initially was due to some bugs in the new server codebase, but we believe these have all now been resolved. In our tests ppm is now much faster, and also puts almost no load on the server it is running on. The PPM2 and PPM3 servers should now always return identical result sets, so to get even better performance you should switch off the PPM2 repository in your PPM3 clients. Cheers, -Jan ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list Perl-Win32-Users@listserv.ActiveState.com To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
RE: Why do they insist on making PPM so difficult to troubleshoot ??
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005, $Bill Luebkert wrote: I'm not sure how permanent this location is, but http://ppm.activestate.com/PPMPackages/5.8-windows/ You'll notice that instead of having them typed as text/plain, they have them as application/octet-stream forcing you to D/L rather than display them in your browser. I don't think there's anything in a .ppd file that would warrant binary treatment. Thanks for pointing that out. The content type has been changed to text/xml, which displays correctly in both IE and FireFox. Cheers, -Jan ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list Perl-Win32-Users@listserv.ActiveState.com To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
Re: Why do they insist on making PPM so difficult to troubleshoot ??
- Original Message - From: Randy Kobes . . I'm not sure how permanent this location is, but http://ppm.activestate.com/PPMPackages/5.8-windows/ and http://ppm.activestate.com/PPMPackages/5.6/ contains the ppd files for, respectively, 5.8 and 5.6 builds. Yes - that's possibly what I was trying to find. I've since had time to take a more thorough look at the ppm documentation and, in so doing, found that the ppd file can be displayed by running: ppm describe -ppd DBI Interestingly, that displays a slightly different ppd file to the one I see when I browse to http://ppm.activestate.com/PPMPackages/5.8-windows/DBI.ppd . (The difference is that one way lists a fully qualified CODEBASE HREF path, whereas the other lists a relative CODEBASE HREF path. I'm not sure what's happening there ... I think I don't want to think about it any more :-) Cheers, Rob ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list Perl-Win32-Users@listserv.ActiveState.com To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
Why do they insist on making PPM so difficult to troubleshoot ??
Hi, D:\pscrptppm install DBI PPM::PPD::init: not a PPD and not a file: Ok ... something funny is happening here. First thing I'd like to do is take a look at the PPD file. Where is it ? More importantly, where is the documentation that enables me to find its location ? That route quickly turns into a blind alley ... let's try another way. How about I configure things so that the temp (build) directory doesn't get cleaned up. That used to be trivial to do with 'ppm set clean 0'. How do we do it now ? More importantly, where is the documentation that tells me how to do it ? Now, I don't know if either of those approaches would have helped. Thing is, it would have taken me only 5 minutes to determine, if I could have found out how to do those things - instead of the hour I've spent and got nowhere. So ... if someone can tell me where this information is to be found I will attempt to bookmark it for future reference. Cheers, Rob ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list Perl-Win32-Users@listserv.ActiveState.com To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
Re: Why do they insist on making PPM so difficult to troubleshoot ??
Sisyphus wrote: Hi, D:\pscrptppm install DBI PPM::PPD::init: not a PPD and not a file: Ok ... something funny is happening here. First thing I'd like to do is take a look at the PPD file. Where is it ? More importantly, where is the documentation that enables me to find its location ? That route quickly turns into a blind alley ... let's try another way. How about I configure things so that the temp (build) directory doesn't get cleaned up. That used to be trivial to do with 'ppm set clean 0'. How do we do it now ? More importantly, where is the documentation that tells me how to do it ? Now, I don't know if either of those approaches would have helped. Thing is, it would have taken me only 5 minutes to determine, if I could have found out how to do those things - instead of the hour I've spent and got nowhere. So ... if someone can tell me where this information is to be found I will attempt to bookmark it for future reference. Cheers, Rob http://ppm.activestate.com/PPMPackages/zips ? hth - Lynn. ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list Perl-Win32-Users@listserv.ActiveState.com To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
What's up with AS ppm repository? (was - Why do they insist on making PPM so difficult to troubleshoot ??)
Lynn. Rickards wrote: Sisyphus wrote: Hi, D:\pscrptppm install DBI PPM::PPD::init: not a PPD and not a file: Ok ... something funny is happening here. First thing I'd like to do is take a look at the PPD file. Where is it ? More importantly, where is the documentation that enables me to find its location ? snip Strangely, I get the same problem today - cannot ppm install anything from AS repository. After installing XML::SAX yesterday, the pureperl component did cause ppm to generate a bunch of warnings, so uninstalled but without effect. Finally just uninstalled perl altogether, deleted c:/perl and reinstalled clean. AS repository still returns the same error. http://theoryx5.uwinnipeg.ca repository works fine, and ppm *will* install downloaded zip packages locally from http://ppm.activestate.com/PPMPackages/zips/ VPM just dies on attempting install. Anybody else confirm? - Lynn. ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list Perl-Win32-Users@listserv.ActiveState.com To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
Re: What's up with AS ppm repository? (was - Why do they insist on making PPM so difficult to troubleshoot ??)
PPM is down. =) We're working on it, and hope to have things back to normal later today ( keep in mind we're PST over here, and developers sleep in apparently ) JeffG Lynn. Rickards wrote: Lynn. Rickards wrote: Sisyphus wrote: Hi, D:\pscrptppm install DBI PPM::PPD::init: not a PPD and not a file: Ok ... something funny is happening here. First thing I'd like to do is take a look at the PPD file. Where is it ? More importantly, where is the documentation that enables me to find its location ? snip Strangely, I get the same problem today - cannot ppm install anything from AS repository. After installing XML::SAX yesterday, the pureperl component did cause ppm to generate a bunch of warnings, so uninstalled but without effect. Finally just uninstalled perl altogether, deleted c:/perl and reinstalled clean. AS repository still returns the same error. http://theoryx5.uwinnipeg.ca repository works fine, and ppm *will* install downloaded zip packages locally from http://ppm.activestate.com/PPMPackages/zips/ VPM just dies on attempting install. Anybody else confirm? - Lynn. ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list Perl-Win32-Users@listserv.ActiveState.com To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list Perl-Win32-Users@listserv.ActiveState.com To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
Re: What's up with AS ppm repository? (was - Why do they insist on making PPM so difficult to troubleshoot ??)
Scratch that, PPM is *sort of* down, for some people, sometimes. We're still looking into it, but for example I was just able to install DBD::mysql on Linux, whereas earlier this morning this failed with the usual ( admittedly obscure ) error message: PPM::PPD::init: not a PPD and not a file: The loose theory so far is that this is load related. Some people insist on trying to aggressively scrape ppm, even though we run rsync now. =) JeffG Jeff Griffiths wrote: PPM is down. =) We're working on it, and hope to have things back to normal later today ( keep in mind we're PST over here, and developers sleep in apparently ) JeffG Lynn. Rickards wrote: Lynn. Rickards wrote: Sisyphus wrote: Hi, D:\pscrptppm install DBI PPM::PPD::init: not a PPD and not a file: Ok ... something funny is happening here. First thing I'd like to do is take a look at the PPD file. Where is it ? More importantly, where is the documentation that enables me to find its location ? snip Strangely, I get the same problem today - cannot ppm install anything from AS repository. After installing XML::SAX yesterday, the pureperl component did cause ppm to generate a bunch of warnings, so uninstalled but without effect. Finally just uninstalled perl altogether, deleted c:/perl and reinstalled clean. AS repository still returns the same error. http://theoryx5.uwinnipeg.ca repository works fine, and ppm *will* install downloaded zip packages locally from http://ppm.activestate.com/PPMPackages/zips/ VPM just dies on attempting install. Anybody else confirm? - Lynn. ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list Perl-Win32-Users@listserv.ActiveState.com To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list Perl-Win32-Users@listserv.ActiveState.com To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list Perl-Win32-Users@listserv.ActiveState.com To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
Re: Why do they insist on making PPM so difficult to troubleshoot ??
- Original Message - From: Lynn. Rickards Now, I don't know if either of those approaches would have helped. Thing is, it would have taken me only 5 minutes to determine, if I could have found out how to do those things - instead of the hour I've spent and got nowhere. So ... if someone can tell me where this information is to be found I will attempt to bookmark it for future reference. Cheers, Rob http://ppm.activestate.com/PPMPackages/zips ? hth - Lynn. It's helpful for installing packages and for copying binaries onto my hard drive, but it doesn't help me to see the PPD file that's being read when I hook up to the ActiveState ppm repository by running 'ppm install DBI'. And it doesn't tell me how to do a 'ppm set clean 0'. With other repositories you can browse directly to the ppd file. For example, to see the ppd for the bribes ppm of Digest::Whirlpool just browse to: http://www.bribes.org/perl/ppm/Digest-Whirlpool.ppd and then 'View Source'. It's the same with the uwinnipeg repository. I couldn't find an address that showed me the DBI.ppd in the ActiveState repository. Anyway seems like I was wasting my time. It's just a pity that I had to waste an hour (rather than the 5 minutes I was prepared to waste :-) Cheers, Rob ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list Perl-Win32-Users@listserv.ActiveState.com To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
Re: Why do they insist on making PPM so difficult to troubleshoot ??
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005, Sisyphus wrote: [ ... ] With other repositories you can browse directly to the ppd file. For example, to see the ppd for the bribes ppm of Digest::Whirlpool just browse to: http://www.bribes.org/perl/ppm/Digest-Whirlpool.ppd and then 'View Source'. It's the same with the uwinnipeg repository. I couldn't find an address that showed me the DBI.ppd in the ActiveState repository. I'm not sure how permanent this location is, but http://ppm.activestate.com/PPMPackages/5.8-windows/ and http://ppm.activestate.com/PPMPackages/5.6/ contains the ppd files for, respectively, 5.8 and 5.6 builds. -- best regards, randy ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list Perl-Win32-Users@listserv.ActiveState.com To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
Re: Why do they insist on making PPM so difficult to troubleshoot ??
At 11:35 AM 12/24/2005 +1100, Sisyphus wrote: It's helpful for installing packages and for copying binaries onto my hard drive, but it doesn't help me to see the PPD file that's being read when I hook up to the ActiveState ppm repository by running 'ppm install DBI'. And it doesn't tell me how to do a 'ppm set clean 0'. The ppd and tarball files are inside the zip files located in the repository. If u open the zip u'll see them. -- REMEMBER THE WORLD TRADE CENTER ---= WTC 911 =-- ...ne cede malis 0100 ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list Perl-Win32-Users@listserv.ActiveState.com To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
Re: Why do they insist on making PPM so difficult to troubleshoot ??
Randy Kobes wrote: On Sat, 24 Dec 2005, Sisyphus wrote: [ ... ] With other repositories you can browse directly to the ppd file. For example, to see the ppd for the bribes ppm of Digest::Whirlpool just browse to: http://www.bribes.org/perl/ppm/Digest-Whirlpool.ppd and then 'View Source'. It's the same with the uwinnipeg repository. I couldn't find an address that showed me the DBI.ppd in the ActiveState repository. I'm not sure how permanent this location is, but http://ppm.activestate.com/PPMPackages/5.8-windows/ You'll notice that instead of having them typed as text/plain, they have them as application/octet-stream forcing you to D/L rather than display them in your browser. I don't think there's anything in a .ppd file that would warrant binary treatment. and http://ppm.activestate.com/PPMPackages/5.6/ contains the ppd files for, respectively, 5.8 and 5.6 builds. ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list Perl-Win32-Users@listserv.ActiveState.com To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
