Re: [Phono-L] shrinking cylinder speed?
Could whomever is in charge of this Phono L thing, please take me off the email list? Thank you, Jay On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.comwrote: It would indeed, Glenn! Rich's last comment helped me understand this -- one of the original questions was regarding playback rpm, so I've been thinking in terms of concert pitch, which wouldn't be affected by shrinkage, instead of lateral pitch, i.e., the lines per inch, which certainly would. Since Edison's team used to refer to lines per inch as 'pitch', i.e. 2 minute pitch or a pitch of 100 lines per inch, etc., it's easy to get confused. It totally makes sense now. Musical pitch would indeed remain constant. Thanks to you both for the clarification! I guess we should be thankful that the amount of lateral shrinkage could never exceed the amount of play in most reproducers -- more foresight from our benevolent meisterinventor, or happy accident, who knows? :-) (Is it ironic that they cut at 97tpi for manufactured playback at 100tpi, and 100 yrs later it's probably closer to 97tpi?) Best, Robert Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:30:21 -0700 From: majesticrec...@snet.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] shrinking cylinder speed? This follows Robert's thoughts as well (I think). This is all about in-plane shrinkage. So the original cylinder is longer to accommodate this shrinkage and the speed at which the cutter would move laterally across the cylinder would have to be slightly faster. However, wouldn't the recording speed still be 160rpm? Glenn From: rich-m...@octoxol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] shrinking cylinder speed? The pitch of the lead screw was adjusted for shrink for linear shrink. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Vic III crank
Many years ago, I purchased a threader at the hardware store, and I would cut random cranks (such as from Victrolas, and suitcase machines) down to the size needed with a hack saw, for whatever machine I had that might be missing one, and then thread it. If you can't find just what you need, this works like a dream. On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Barry Kasindorf ba...@barrykasindorf.comwrote: Hi, Anyone have a female thread Vic III crank? Just bought a machine and the crank was missing. Thanks -Barry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
Factory painted or not, I think it looks nice. If I wanted a gem, I would buy it, if the price was right. On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 7:50 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: So true about the rarity factor on ebay. Yesterday someone had a Victrola 50 on there listed as very old and rare, and it was priced at $1,700.00. Never mind that there are three others on ebay right now priced at around $350.00... John --- On Sat, 4/9/11, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, April 9, 2011, 7:28 PM He is also correct, it is original paint. It is not a copy of paint, it is original paint right out of a can and/or tube, and it is old. Now how old is not defined. To some 10 years is old to others one thousand is young. He is not claiming that this decoration was applied contemporaneously by Edison, he is just leaving the gullible to make that assumption. As the clear coat finish is cracked it was not done last week though. Everything on eBay is RARE L@@K! On 04/09/2011 07:44 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Mike, the reason that the seller knows that is obvious in his statement: Like most eBay items it starts with a statement of authenticity: Extremely rare! Body and case are wood, painted black, with gold trim on base and rose flowers and daisy on case. I have been collecting antiques for over forty years from coast to coast. This is the only one I have ever seen. So this is how he knows the paint is original: HE has NEVER seen one. :) Neither has anyone else, so maybe there is a reason for that... it is a one-off previous owner painted machine. It could have been painted by the original owner, shortly after it left the factory and the paint would be period authentic - 100 + yrs. old. The thing that looked non-factory, is that the flower design on the horn and the flower design on the case, were similar but not the same design/style. The horn had the same gold scroll work added as on the base - not a difficult task for an artist. Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstromw...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number:230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph
I didn't watch this auction..why did it command such a high price? On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Tim Gray timsanti...@northstate.netwrote: Wow! At least I know it was a honest auction. I have bought a couple of nice machines from the seller. I live 30 minutes from him and picked them up. He allowed me to see some of his other machines and big radio collection. his items are always very nice and they bring better than average prices. Tim http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrt=ncnma=trueitem=190474888084 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Theodore Roosevelt cylinder
I couldn't tell you. I had a early Vic I (mint) all original, low serial number, original small flower horn, and small reproduction bell horn (for a flawless display) on EBay, and it went for $625. At the same time a beat up, non working, no horn, nothing special Vic 1 went for $1500. Go figure. Recently I offered an oak spearpoint (make an offer) horn on on these phono forums, NO bites, but it went for $1250 on EBay. Who knows what goes on in the mind of a collector? On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:27 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all Well, after I had offered it here with no takers, I had listed my Theodore Roosevelt cylinder on eBay, It used to be that they went for around $100, and it only got up to $66. What's your opinion, is this cylinder (Social and Industrial Justice) just that common, or is it the economy, or what? Just wondering. I can seem to let it go for less than $85 so I think I'll keep it. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Pics of Vic IV on ebay
Someone looking for a Vic 6? I'll be willing to sell mine..$4600 OBO, you pay shipping. Merry Christmas to all! On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 7:52 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Here is the link to the pics the seller sent. http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Vic%20IV%20on%20eBay/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor on Ebay
It's too bad there's no full view of the side on the machine, to see if a crank hole has been filled. The crank now looks suspiciously too far to the back of the machine. However, being a later machine (as can be seen by the back bracket), it could be the company was dropping Victrola mechanisms in V-IV cases to use them up. If that's the case, it could be a very rare machine. On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 7:54 PM, hexaph...@sbcglobal.net wrote: There are several subtle hints this one may not be what it appears to be. The speed control is one, the reproducer another.the 14X14 footprint is correct, however. H. Ron --- On Thu, 12/23/10, Ken and Brenda Brekke kb...@charter.net wrote: From: Ken and Brenda Brekke kb...@charter.net Subject: [Phono-L] Victor on Ebay To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 9:24 PM Has anyone checked out this late Victor IV on ebay? Here is the link to it: http://cgi.ebay.com/Victor-Talking-Machine-Phonograph-V-IV-w-Great-Horn-/180 604116113?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0 http://cgi.ebay.com/Victor-Talking-Machine-Phonograph-V-IV-w-Great-Horn-/18 0604116113?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2a0cd81c91 hash=item2a0cd81c91 Is it possible that a late Victor would have a speed control with the indicator window? It does have a late serial number and the drop in elbow but I have never seen one with the speed indicator. Or, is it a very well done Crap-o-phone case? Ken ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
I purchased a Columbia BY, with wood horn, and matching record cabinet from this seller. Got it for a great price, it was shipped UPS in three boxes, and everything arrived safely, and as advertised. On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: Thanks, I did not know that. From: a...@popyrus.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:46:28 -0700 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert Hi Steve ~ The way eBay works, you can't leave a negative feedback AND get reimbursed on a bad purchase by eBay's Buyer Protection. The unsatisfactory transaction is technically cancelled as though it never happened to begin with. Even the posting below acknowledges (despite the positives) that the item could have been packed better, had additional (incorrectly mounted?) hardware, and he agrees that the seller was rude. And yet, he probably left a positive feedback. I think there must be dozens, if not hundreds of dissatisfied buyers who would rather be made whole again financially on their misrepresented/badly packed/damaged/modified or incomplete purchase, than take a loss and retain the ability to leave negative feedback on this seller, and thus warn others away from a potentially miserable experience. I'm ordinarily very careful about saying anything publicly about anyone that isn't positive (if you can't say something nice...), but based on personal experience, both my own and that of my friend and customer, I can only conclude that this seller is dangerous. He certainly doesn't appear to make any effort to play by the same rules. That's my take on it. Andy On Dec 6, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Steven Medved wrote: If you look at his ratings they are actually quite good. Hi all! I'll be be honest and say I have dealt with this individual in the past. I guess I'll provide a contrarian view to those experiences posted thus far. I purchased an Edison machine from him and it was packed relatively well. It could have been better, but all was safe. The machine was exactly as stated, but came with some extra mounting screws and springs to mount the motor to the motor board, so I'm sure someone got screwed (pun intended). I must agree that he was somehat a rude individual, but not so much that it really bothered me as he shipped very fast and everything was actually great! I just thought I'd provide another view of just my experience. I would not necessaril recommend him, but my transcation ended well thankfully after reading these posts. I do not recall his name, but I looked his phone number up and found the following information for those who wish to dig deeper. Antique Edison (412) 257-8926 301 Murray Ave Bridgeville, PA 15017 antiquedi...@aol.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Original or restored?
I would much rather have a professionally restored machine that looks and runs great, than an all original fixer upper. Both my Opera and Vic6 are restored machines, and look just gorgeous, and run so nice. Sometimes you have to restore something. I would much rather have a restored Rembrandt, then one with a huge hole in it. On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Tom Jordan tom...@msn.com wrote: I have always believed in keeping my phonographs in as close to original condition as is possible. Fixing them, but not stripping and restoring them. I'm just curious... Is that the norm with most collectors on this group or do you like to restore them to look like new? Tom ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Original or restored?
That's cool. I don't think there are any rules in collecting, except for the ones we make for ourselves. I'm with you, why refinish if you don't have to? On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Tom Jordan tom...@msn.com wrote: Jay, I forgot to say that I do restore my machines to excellent running condition. I just don't do much cosmetically except to clean the machine of dirt and grime. Preserving the original finish. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Jay Horenstein Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:49 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Original or restored? I would much rather have a professionally restored machine that looks and runs great, than an all original fixer upper. Both my Opera and Vic6 are restored machines, and look just gorgeous, and run so nice. Sometimes you have to restore something. I would much rather have a restored Rembrandt, then one with a huge hole in it. On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Tom Jordan tom...@msn.com wrote: I have always believed in keeping my phonographs in as close to original condition as is possible. Fixing them, but not stripping and restoring them. I'm just curious... Is that the norm with most collectors on this group or do you like to restore them to look like new? Tom ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Wayne Show Report
How fun! Thanks guys. I didn't attend that year, BUT, I see the music box I bought at the UNION show this year did. Jay On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Robin Joan Rolfs nip...@dataex.comwrote: Greetings, The Wayne NJ show was great as usual. Well organist by Michael Devecka. Sales were very good for us and there are always excellent items for sale at the show. We posted photos from the sale at: www.wimaps.org Click on the Photos tab. The next Wayne Mechanical Music Extravaganza show date is Sunday, April 10, 2011. We also look forward to the Orlando show JANUARY 22: Orlando Phonograph Show For further Dealer information contact: Bob Cole 407-247-6271 Richard Brown 407-620-4862 Email to c5...@aol.com http://home.comcast.net/~orlandophonoshow/ Enjoy the fantastic phonographs and phono friends at the Wayne show. Robin Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Document for sale - stolen??
I haven't been following this thread, but an Edison signed document is neither rare, or very expensive. It took very little time to research what they are going for retail. And if you wished to own one now, you could purchase it online from a reputable dealer at a price range of $600 to $1250. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 10:23 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hi all A local listing on Craigslist is offering an Edison signed document for $12,995. Ridiculous price, but my concern is if it is a stolen item. They appear to be pages cut from a corporate journal of meeting minutes or something. Signed by both Thomas and Charles Edison, as well as other officers, it raises a flag. How would something like this get into public hands? I wrote to the seller and he sent me the following explanation (which really doesn't explain anything): Thanks for your interest in the signed Thomas Edison notes. When my grandparents first came to the United States, they held Franklin Roosevelt in the greatest esteem, so they would write letters to him every once in a while. In the years that followed, Roosevelt corresponded on more than one occasion, and my grandparents began collecting these letters. Later on, they also attained signatures from a number of presidents, Benjamin Franklin, Abraham Lincoln, and plenty of other folks. I can't trace each of the items back to the source; fortunately, PSA DNA uses a plethora of methods to determine the authenticity of each of the documents and signatures. I know that the company measures ink pressures, aging, signature characteristics, and a number of factors before determining the legitimacy of each autograph. Upon confirming that a signature is real, they'll swab some sort of DNA marker on the sheet, as a method to permanently label the piece of memorabilia as being authentic. Anyone else have an opinion on this? Here is the Craigslist link: http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/clt/1853328747.html For good measure I wrote to Leonard DeGraaf, Archivist at the Edison Historic Site, and to Gerald Fabris, curator forwarding them a copy of the link and asking their opinion. It just doesn't seem right that pages form a corporate book would be in public hands. I have made no accusations and I am not saying they are stolen, I am just curious about this. John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola V
Stan Stanford has one for sale on his webpage www.clarphon.com for $500. On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Mark Dawson slowp...@clear.net.nz wrote: Anyone going to Union,could you please keep a look out for this model for me.I do like this model especially in Oak! Cheers Mark Dawson. slowp...@clear.net.nz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fireside wanted
I don't think Phono L prints email addresses, but you can find it on the OTAPS home page. On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 9:15 AM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Thanks. Got his email address?? Thanks again John --- On Sat, 4/24/10, Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fireside wanted To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 3:44 PM I don't want to put anybody on the spot...butRobert Carver (OTAPS member) may have jsut what he wants. On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 1:17 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all Anyone got a nice Fireside A, preferably with maroon horn, but possible not necessary. A beginning collector loves mine and keeps begging me to sell it to him, but I love it too much. I even turned down $1,000 cash today from him! So I told him I would try to find him a nice one. Anyone help? Thank you John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fireside wanted
I don't want to put anybody on the spot...butRobert Carver (OTAPS member) may have jsut what he wants. On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 1:17 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all Anyone got a nice Fireside A, preferably with maroon horn, but possible not necessary. A beginning collector loves mine and keeps begging me to sell it to him, but I love it too much. I even turned down $1,000 cash today from him! So I told him I would try to find him a nice one. Anyone help? Thank you John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] New version crapophone
I think it's GORGEOUS, even if it's not the real thing. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:51 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List'; phonol...@yahoogroups.com; mocap...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Phono-L] New version crapophone This is a hoot. It looks like a very nicely made crapophone based on the Edison Diamond Disc machines. It is Ebay no. 400097511447 Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2639 - Release Date: 01/22/10 11:33:00 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Carola on Ebay - Beware
Thanks! I WAS thinking about it. Jay -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:40 AM To: Phono-L Cc: Phonolist Subject: [Phono-L] Carola on Ebay - Beware http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=230422334991ssPageName=A DME:X:RTQ:US:1123 This little upright, was probably one of the smallest and cheapest (sold for $15.00 in 1916) ever made. The seller describes it as inoperable, with the crank missing and a loose turntable. What is not included in the description is that the entire motor is Missing !! Not the turntable is resting flat against the metal, and there is no spindle !! I asked the seller that question and he has confirmed it !! So if you see this and have an interest be aware that there is no motor. Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.136/2616 - Release Date: 01/11/10 23:35:00 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii
I find the Victor Victrola page (on line) to be a most valuable resource for pricing, dating, or just about anything involving a Victor product. Jay -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Jim K Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 7:57 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii Im curious as to value range as well. Anyone have a ballpark figure? Jim www.phono-phixer.com www.wimaps.org - Original Message - From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii I've come across one locally and am not interested myself, but if you are, please drop me a line. I'm near SF. What's the value range for these nowadays? Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Jan 4, 2010, at 7:11 AM, Robin Joan Rolfs nip...@dataex.com wrote: BlankGreetings and Happy New Year 2010, Bill Hodges had an inquiry regarding a Nipper item he is listing on e-bay. With the help of my Nipper friend, we solved the mystery of what the Nipper item is. The item is listed on e-bay (item 300383123497 ) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300383123497ssPageName=S TRK:MEWAX:IT It is a dog and gramophone figure and my Nipper friend, Barbara Regan solved the mystery of what it is. The item is the top of the radio on page 3-90 of our Nipper Collectibles book. The only reason she knew that it was the top piece of the radio is because she has the whole radio. Actually, it's in 3 pieces. The top piece is the dog and gramophone on the red vinyl, the second piece is an insert which is a little red fabric-covered dish that you could put coins or other small items in and the bottom is where the actual parts of the transistor radio are. She didn't think anyone would realize it unless they actually owned the piece. She just thought the dog and gramophone on red looked familiar and finally found the radio. Bill wrote us in regard to the item and we did not recognize the item, but thanks to Barbara the Nipper mystery is solved. I am sure Bill will be changing the description of the item on e-bay to inform buyers of what the item actually is. Happy New Year, Happy Nipper Collecting, and looking forward to Orlando and a great time with phono friends. Robin Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.128/2604 - Release Date: 01/07/10 11:35:00 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii
It's called The Victor-Victrola Page, www.victor-victrola.com -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Albert Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:24 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii Jay, what is the name of the websight? - Original Message - From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii I find the Victor Victrola page (on line) to be a most valuable resource for pricing, dating, or just about anything involving a Victor product. Jay -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Jim K Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 7:57 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii Im curious as to value range as well. Anyone have a ballpark figure? Jim www.phono-phixer.com www.wimaps.org - Original Message - From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@mac.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola xvii I've come across one locally and am not interested myself, but if you are, please drop me a line. I'm near SF. What's the value range for these nowadays? Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Jan 4, 2010, at 7:11 AM, Robin Joan Rolfs nip...@dataex.com wrote: BlankGreetings and Happy New Year 2010, Bill Hodges had an inquiry regarding a Nipper item he is listing on e-bay. With the help of my Nipper friend, we solved the mystery of what the Nipper item is. The item is listed on e-bay (item 300383123497 ) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300383123497ssPageName=S TRK:MEWAX:IT It is a dog and gramophone figure and my Nipper friend, Barbara Regan solved the mystery of what it is. The item is the top of the radio on page 3-90 of our Nipper Collectibles book. The only reason she knew that it was the top piece of the radio is because she has the whole radio. Actually, it's in 3 pieces. The top piece is the dog and gramophone on the red vinyl, the second piece is an insert which is a little red fabric-covered dish that you could put coins or other small items in and the bottom is where the actual parts of the transistor radio are. She didn't think anyone would realize it unless they actually owned the piece. She just thought the dog and gramophone on red looked familiar and finally found the radio. Bill wrote us in regard to the item and we did not recognize the item, but thanks to Barbara the Nipper mystery is solved. I am sure Bill will be changing the description of the item on e-bay to inform buyers of what the item actually is. Happy New Year, Happy Nipper Collecting, and looking forward to Orlando and a great time with phono friends. Robin Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.128/2604 - Release Date: 01/07/10 11:35:00 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.130/2607 - Release Date: 01/07/10 23:35:00 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Hexaphone
Kurt Nauck at na...@78rpm.com had a nice one for sale. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:31 AM To: Phono-L Post Subject: [Phono-L] Hexaphone Am keen to purchase a Regina Hexaphone, preferably in rough condition for restoration. I can organise transport. Mike Tucker mtuc...@exemail.com.au ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.128/2604 - Release Date: 01/06/10 11:35:00 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Semi-Luddites - was Re: Definition of antiques
Well.I'm no kid (55), and I love Facebook. I've made contact with people that I haven't heard from in decades, and I'm continuously invited to all sorts of events, and parties. Plus, you can just sit back and see what's going on without being an active participent, if you wish. And,yes, I have found two friends on Facebook that are phonograph geeks. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Chris Kocsis chris...@cox.net wrote: How many of us older folks have embraced Web 2.0 social media like Facebook and LinkedIn? Frankly I have no interest in either, but I have friends and acquaintances my age (61) (including my dentist) who send me invitations. Has anyone here found these to be worthwhile and beneficial? Chris Robert Wright wrote: [snip] Fun story, Peter. I know people less than half your friend's age who are still to scared to embrace modern (computer) technology fully, even though in their youth they were anything but Luddite. From: pjfra...@mac.com Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 11:34:22 -0800 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] definition of antique - was Re: Shipping phonographs Yesterday my 14 year old and I went to install some RAM in the computer of a friend. We also helped our friend with her iPod. As we left, I told my daughter that she would be lucky if she, too, could be as with it when she got to the age of our friend: 92. She replied that she'd always stay up on the latest ipods and other technology...but paused to reflect when I mentioned that by that time, an iPhone would look to youngsters the same way an Edison cylinder phono looks to her today. Antique is a moving target. Most kids today have no idea what an LP is - and even cassettes as well - and when they see one consider it to be an antique. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Friend needs advice on Victor MS on eBay
Mine has the spear tip horn, and is showroom new. I paid $5600 retail. Fabrizios book values it at between $4000 and $6000. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of DanKj Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:25 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Friend needs advice on Victor MS on eBay It went for $835 . I'd sell mine for less than that, and I have everything but a horn. Didn't know they were so desirable ... - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Friend needs advice on Victor MS on eBay Hi All Hope you're having a stress free holiday season so far! A friend of mine wants to buy an MS that is on eBay right now, but I have reservations. It has the holes exposed for the front mount hardware (no plug), and it has holes from a back bracket, but it is a three hole pattern like a Columbia back bracket would have. Also it has a turntable hold down (but no turntable) and the early spring brake, which are correct. Would this have had a 7 inch turntable? And not having seen a Victor rigid arm back bracket, did it have two holes or three? The guy says the crank is original which it is obviously not, so I am curious as to if this is not a wise buy (I expect it is not). Here is the number 330387159356. Thanks! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2575 - Release Date: 12/19/09 08:33:00 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Custom Decals Available.....
COOL! I need a decal for a Fern-O-Grand. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bill Boruff Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:02 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Custom Decals Available. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.110/2568 - Release Date: 12/16/09 08:02:00 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Hardware on Victor M
I thought it might be for a crane designed (probably never marketed) for use as additional support on a very large and/or heavy back mount horn. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 1:28 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Hardware on Victor M That's what I always thought; possibly to hold a crane for a front mount? However every front mount Victor or Columbia I've ever seen has a cradle at the front of the traveling arm to hold the horn,. Someone out there must know what it's for. Bob - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Hardware on Victor M Isn't that left over from the earlier front mount configuration? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:53 AM To: Phono L List Subject: [Phono-L] Hardware on Victor M There's a Victor M on eBay. It's item # 330384586157. Theres a piece on the back to the left of the backmount that I'm not sure what it is for. If you look at picture #11 on the auctiion you can see it clearly. I have a similar Victor M with this part on it. What's it for? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.96/2549 - Release Date: 12/07/09 07:33:00 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Hardware on Victor M
Maybe it was to hold some kind of attachment for needle tins, oil bottles, record cleaner brushes, or something. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of RBaumbach Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 3:38 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Hardware on Victor M I have talked to many collectors, and no one has given me a definitive answer as to the full purpose of this piece. Of course, it covers the holes that were drilled into the case for for the front mount arm, so it or something similar was required for any of the machines built for dealer conversion (from a Victor M to a Victor III, as an example). This doesn't explain why there is a hole in the piece, however. It certainly looks like Victor had something in mind for this hole. The only explanation that I have ever heard that made any kind of sense was that the hole was designed to accept a rod which could offer additional support for a large horn, exactly as Jay speculated. Remember that the rigid arm Victors have a relatively weak elbow, which is easily bent. I have never seen such a supplemental support, however. On MondayDecember 7, 2009, at December720093:12 PM, Mike Stitt wrote: Man Jay, A crane on a Victor machine!!! Johnson is rolling in his grave. Hell he hung huge horns on his back mount machines. Next time you are at Jerry's look around the basement. I'm waiting for the big dogs to chime in.. Mike On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.comwrote: I thought it might be for a crane designed (probably never marketed) for use as additional support on a very large and/or heavy back mount horn. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 1:28 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Hardware on Victor M That's what I always thought; possibly to hold a crane for a front mount? However every front mount Victor or Columbia I've ever seen has a cradle at the front of the traveling arm to hold the horn,. Someone out there must know what it's for. Bob - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Hardware on Victor M Isn't that left over from the earlier front mount configuration? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:53 AM To: Phono L List Subject: [Phono-L] Hardware on Victor M There's a Victor M on eBay. It's item # 330384586157. Theres a piece on the back to the left of the backmount that I'm not sure what it is for. If you look at picture #11 on the auctiion you can see it clearly. I have a similar Victor M with this part on it. What's it for? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.96/2549 - Release Date: 12/07/09 07:33:00 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.96/2549 - Release Date: 12/07/09 07:33:00 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Christmas miracle
Well...the $70,000 shroud of Jesus Silvertone auction has ended. I wonder who the blessed winner is? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Such a Deal !!
What? No image of Jesus? -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of aph4...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:45 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Such a Deal !! You can really appreciate when someone obviously does plenty of research before posting an item for sale. _http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/msg/1340637538.html_ (http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/msg/1340637538.html) Hey Bruce, I don't know what you are complaining about. He said the price is negotiable!! ---Art Heller ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.70/2329 - Release Date: 08/27/09 08:11:00 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Crapophone the sale of this fraud is almost complete
The suspense is terrible. I hope it lasts. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:31 PM To: Phono-l Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Crapophone the sale of this fraud is almost complete I was unsure until members of this list with better observation skills than myself began to make comments. This appears to be a Frankenphone, made of original parts from several donors. Right, I have to remember not everyone is a collector with the knowledge of Crapophones, and wary of the ability of unscrupulous sellers to slick talk there way around these frauds. 1. It appears genuine. 2. The seller appears to be knowledgeable and wrote an excellent ad. 3. Another seller listed a standard A so worn it had zero % pinstriping. He said it was mint, the best he had ever seen. It sold for over $700.00. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200365874976ssPageName=A DME:B:WNA:US:1123 Oh my, this Oxford Crapophone has exceeded all expectations for a sale price. I wonder how this has happened. Any ideas? this is shear craziness. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.39/2275 - Release Date: 08/01/09 09:38:00 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Zon-O-Phone Horn
Hello to all you phono-friends, I would like to find a sharp looking horn for an early back mount Zon-O-Phone. Brass, flower, whatever. Anyone out there willing to part with such an animal? My email address is jay.horenst...@gmail.com. Thanks, Jay ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Help- I broke a record I like
Have you ever heard the early Sinatra version? I think it was in the movie 'The Great Zigfeld'. Now THAT was whiteman-esque! -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of est...@localnet.com Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 5:37 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: phonol...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Phono-L] Help- I broke a record I like I'd like to replace a record I just broke. Brunswick 20062, 12 inch electric. Ben Bernie's Hotel Roosevelt Orchestra playing Old Man River and Soliloquy.It's very Whiteman-esque Eric Stott ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.35/2270 - Release Date: 07/29/09 18:07:00 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph??
Well the seller is certainly on the mark when he describes this machine as a rare bird. I'm almost certain that the lucky winner will be getting themselves a ONE OF A KIND machine. I think I should snap this piece of c**p right up. With all the time, discussion, and scrutinizing, and interest we've put into this thing, it would probably be the most talked about addition to any ones collection. I'M SOLD! -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 4:04 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? If you notice the whole mechanism is much later than 1904. I think it was lifted intact from a portable and put in this case. I think the patent tag was added to cover up the original crank hole. Also the horn looks out of place. I suspect it is a repro witches hat horn for a cylinder machine. - Original Message - From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? It's a fake patent date, too. Patents are issued on Tuesdays, but Dec 10 1904 was a Saturday. Dec 6, yes - Dec 10, nope. - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? Am I assuming correctly that someone even fabricated that name plate claiming a patent date in 1904? or was that lifted from an actual Oxford Jr.? No on 2nd thought it couldn't be real since the Oxford line did not replace Harvard until a few years later. - Original Message - From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:10:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? Well, the Phillips type screws are pretty much a giveaway, is my guess -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:11 PM To: Phonolist; Phono-L Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200365874976ssPageName=A DME:X:RTQ:US:1123 What in the world is this? The Oxford Jr. is suppose to be actually a Columbia Model AP Cylinder type Graphophone at least that is what shows up in my Sears 1908 Catalogue. The Machine on Ebay even has a round Identifying plate with a patent date of 1904, I don't believe Sears used the Oxford name for its machines and records until a few years later. Also look at the name on the reproducer, it is not Columbia. Are we looking at some sort of weird Craponola here?? Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.26/2257 - Release Date: 07/23/09 18:00:00 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.25/2256 - Release Date: 07/23/09 06:02:00 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.26/2257 - Release Date: 07/23/09 18:00:00 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph??
exactly -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 10:47 AM To: Phono-l Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? In the early 1930s, the Phillips head screw was invented by Henry Phillips. From: jay.horenst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:10:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? Well, the Phillips type screws are pretty much a giveaway, is my guess -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:11 PM To: Phonolist; Phono-L Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200365874976ssPageName=A DME:X:RTQ:US:1123 What in the world is this? The Oxford Jr. is suppose to be actually a Columbia Model AP Cylinder type Graphophone at least that is what shows up in my Sears 1908 Catalogue. The Machine on Ebay even has a round Identifying plate with a patent date of 1904, I don't believe Sears used the Oxford name for its machines and records until a few years later. Also look at the name on the reproducer, it is not Columbia. Are we looking at some sort of weird Craponola here?? Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.26/2257 - Release Date: 07/23/09 18:00:00 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.27/2258 - Release Date: 07/24/09 05:58:00 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph??
Well, the Phillips type screws are pretty much a giveaway, is my guess -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:11 PM To: Phonolist; Phono-L Subject: [Phono-L] Oxford Jr. Phonograph?? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200365874976ssPageName=A DME:X:RTQ:US:1123 What in the world is this? The Oxford Jr. is suppose to be actually a Columbia Model AP Cylinder type Graphophone at least that is what shows up in my Sears 1908 Catalogue. The Machine on Ebay even has a round Identifying plate with a patent date of 1904, I don't believe Sears used the Oxford name for its machines and records until a few years later. Also look at the name on the reproducer, it is not Columbia. Are we looking at some sort of weird Craponola here?? Bruce ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.26/2257 - Release Date: 07/23/09 18:00:00 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Wanted Baby Regent
Hello Phonofriends, I'm still looking to adopt a nice little Columbia Baby Regent. Anyone know of a stray in need of a good home? Jay ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] This one makes me a little nervous!
I think you're right Jeffry. I don't think the close up photos are of the same machine pictured in its entirety. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of robert coon Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:45 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] This one makes me a little nervous! I like the fact that the cabinet's grain patterns have mysteriously changed, and so has the reproducer! You should see if you can inspect the item in person --- they'd like that. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Jeffry Young, D.O. jeff...@prevea.comwrote: I have trouble believing this is a real auction. I will ask them to send more pictures, and keep ya'all posted. (Look at all the misspelled words!) http://cgi.ebay.com/Zon-O-Phone-Phonograph-Grand-Opera-disc-table-model_ W0QQitemZ260446092365QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca3 cbfc4d_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=65%3A10%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C293%3A 1%7C294%3A50 Jeff Wisconsin ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.386 / Virus Database: 270.13.13/2236 - Release Date: 07/14/09 05:56:00 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Dr. Philip Peterson
Mr. George, Thanks for shedding light on another one of history's mysteries. I really enjoyed the story, all that was missing was murder. I'll bet there's a book in just some of the colorful people who were/are collectors. I certainly can think of a couple of fascinating collectors I've met along the way. Jay Horenstein -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of gpaul2...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:57 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Dr. Philip Peterson Jay, The fact that you invoked the word infamous suggests that you know something of the man... It's a tragic story (and I'm unaware of many details that others can supply), but the story is basically this: Dr. Philip Peterson was a professor at Stanford University, and during the late 1960s and 1970s contributed some first-class research to the field of antique phonographs and records. Most of his contributions - at least those of which I'm aware - were published in the Antique Phonograph Collectors Society Newsletter/Journal. This organization and its publication ceased existence around 1977. I started visiting the Edison National Historic Site in West Orange, New Jersey in 1978. My interest was research, and the staff there at the time were most accommodating. I made advance arrangements, and upon arrival, was shown to the underground vaults. A pile of notebooks had been usually been gathered for me, and I had basically free rein of the place. I remember a moment during my first visit when it occurred to me that the handwriting I was reading in the notebooks looked somewhat familiar. As a staffer passed by, I asked who had made the notations I was reading. The answer was Oh - that's the 'Old Man.' I was taken aback. Who was I to be leafing through these historic documents without protective gloves, and without supervision? I spent many hours in the vaults wading through literally mountains of information, rare white wax cylinders,20and experimental records (such as a glass based cylinder). Any documents I wanted copied were cheerfully done for I believe 10 cents each. Each time I left the Site, I shook hands with the staffers and thanked them for their help. And it occurred to me every time I walked out unsearched that security was pretty lax. Unfortunately, it also occurred to Dr. Philip Peterson - - and not-so-coincidentally Dr. Peterson began holding mail auctions of outstanding Edison ephemera - - most of it consisting of rare and early documents... Around 1985, the Site sent out a mass appeal to collectors. They were missing documents, many of which matched the descriptions offered by Dr. Peterson in his mail auctions. Anyone who knew the whereabouts of these artifacts was encouraged to contact the Site or the FBI. Dr. Peterson was convicted of stealing a multitude of artifacts from the Site, and ultimately served some time in prison. He passed away not long after he was released, but I don't know when that occurred. Meanwhile, some VERY honest collectors returned some of the stolen property to the Site - - and swallowed the substantial loss they incurred. I'm afraid that's the only bright spot in the whole sad story. Many of the documents were never recovered, and Dr. Peterson was found to have destroyed a number of documents by cutting Edison's signature from them and selling only the signature - - an untraceable crime. So, a man who could have been remembered today as the excellent researcher he was, and a contributor to our hobby, instead stole from the Site, cheated collectors by selling them stolen property, and permanently erased a portion of Edison history through the destruction of documents in an unsuccessful effort to cover his tracks. Tragedy upon tragedy. Needless to say, security at the Site has dramatically improved. George Paul -Original Message- From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 4:53 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Dr. Philip Peterson I don?t mean to stir up any trouble, but I?m curious as to who this infamous Dr. Philip Peterson is? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.58/2062 - Release Date: 4/16/2009 8:12 AM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.58/2062 - Release Date: 4/16/2009 8:12 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.58/2062 - Release Date: 4/16/2009 8:12 AM
[Phono-L] Columbia Trim Ring
I'm curious. Is it called a trim ring, beauty ring, dust ring, or what? -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Sean Miller Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 6:11 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Columbia Trim Ring and I have one missing its trim ring as well, so that makes at least three of us! Sean -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of jsk...@charter.net Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:36 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Cc: gregory caringi Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Trim Ring Hi it's to bad it cost so much to tool up but if you need one like me you would pay. I also have a BD with out one. Maybe some day. gregory caringi drgr...@msn.com wrote: It's time for my annual post to ask the group if they have, or have knowledge of, a 12 (actually about 12 1/2 ID) nickle-plated trim ring found on the larger outside horn Columbia machines. I have an otherwise perfect and original BD that is missing the ring. Yes, it originally had a ring - the holes are there. For those of you in the same boat, I have tried to get Ron Sitko and some others in the hobby who have the skill know-how to make reproduction rings, but to no avail. Start-up costs are too high and the perceived demand is low. I also investigated using clock bezels, but couldn't find any that come close. And no, the 12 rings from the Grafonola machines will not work - I tried. Any ideas are appreciated. Thanks for your help. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.23/2016 - Release Date: 3/21/2009 5:58 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.23/2016 - Release Date: 3/21/2009 5:58 PM
[Phono-L] Vic 1 horn
The early Vic I? -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ron L Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:18 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List'; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Phono-L] Vic 1 horn I'm trying to help someone find a vintage horn for a Vic 1. He prefers either a Victor horn or an aftermarket one of the period rather than a modern reproduction. He needs the proper elbow as well. Anyone have something suitable? Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:04 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:04 AM
[Phono-L] Vic 1 horn
I had an early Vic I. It came with a smaller elbow, and a small Victor flower horn. The horn was a bit beat up, so I purchased the very small black and brass reproduction to use for display. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:49 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Vic 1 horn Hi Jay, I have only seen one picture so I am not sure. However, judging from the picture it is the Vic 1 type M. It has the barrel brake and a flat crank. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Jay Horenstein Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 4:30 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Vic 1 horn The early Vic I? -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ron L Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:18 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List'; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Phono-L] Vic 1 horn I'm trying to help someone find a vintage horn for a Vic 1. He prefers either a Victor horn or an aftermarket one of the period rather than a modern reproduction. He needs the proper elbow as well. Anyone have something suitable? Ron L ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:04 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:04 AM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:04 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:04 AM
[Phono-L] Phono forum problem
Wicked witch of the East. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:51 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem Yes, I just went into that website, did you mean Paul R. Flint age 72 of New York?? is that the fellow? How do we know for sure it is the same Paul Flint from the Phonolist. The reason I asked is that discussion came up before, and some one pointed out his passing and than it was contradicted by someone else, so it was never resolved. What was it that Mark Twain once said? The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated. Can we confirm this one way or another absolutely positively, just like the coroner in Munchkin City did with the Wicked Witch of the West?? - Original Message - From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@alamedanet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:51:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem Nope, he's been dead since 2005. You can verify it on the Social Security Death Index (google SSDI to find it), plus he hasn't posted on the list (or board or listserv or whatever), or responded to any requests since that time. The cat part isn't as easy to verify but every time I've been told of his death that's been part of the story. Happens a lot when lonely people with pets die and nobody finds them for a while. On Mar 12, 2009, at 5:55 AM, Ron L lhera...@bu.edu wrote: I don't think he's talking about phonolist which is a mailing list and not a message board. Phonolist was and is Paul's list. He made the rules and worked hard to keep the list spam/spammer free. Yes it was a PITA to get on the list. Then he got busy with work. He is still alive and it is still HIS list. However, someone else is helping him check out new applicants, so there is little wait time to get on the list, and it is still spam free. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org ] On Behalf Of john9...@pacbell.net Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:55 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem I'd say poetic justice, but that's too cruel. --Original Message-- From: Peter Fraser Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: Antique Phonograph List ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem Sent: Mar 11, 2009 7:50 PM Are you talking about that a-hole Paul Something-or-other of phonolist? He abandoned them for a few years, effectively shutting it to any membership changes...and I heard he later was found dead in his manhattan hovel, partially eaten by his cats. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Mar 11, 2009, at 6:50 PM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hopefully it replaced the one where this crazy old coot thought he was the end all be all of phonograph board leaders. If you said anything he didn't agree with, you got flamed like crazy. Once he called me all these names off list and some on list. That was the only phono guy I could say I hate. He was a vicious, rabid dog who regularly victimized board contributors. --Original Message-- From: DanKj Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: Antique Phonograph List ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem Sent: Mar 11, 2009 5:35 PM Seems to be so many of these messageboards, now which one did this replace, if any? - Original Message - From: Daniel Melvin d...@old-phonographs.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem Try this... http://victrolagramophones.proboards.com/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.11/1997 - Release Date: 3/12/2009 10:38 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.11/1997 - Release Date: 3/12/2009 10:38 AM
[Phono-L] Victor III HEEEEEEELP!
It's my guess that you have a back bracket for a larger machine like a Vic V. Jay -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of bruce78...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 1:00 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor III HEEELP! I just measured my Victor III tone arm from the very back of the horn hole to the where the reproducer attaches and it measures about 11 inches. If you need any other measurements on it in other areas let me know. Bruce - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:49:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Phono-L] Victor III HEEELP! I swear I am going to chop this Vic III to BITSI am so frustrated... I got this Vic III a couple of year ago. Nice machine. It had a Vic IV horn, which I sold and then purchased a really nice Victor III horn. I finally took it to sell at a GSPS meeting. Someone pointed out that the beck bracket and tonearm were from a Victor II. I took it off the market because I didn't want to be dishonest and say it was all original. I searched and searched and found a kind person who traded me the Vic II bracket, arm and elbow (and a small amount of cash) for a Vic III bracket and arm (no elbow). The bracket has new decals, but looks ok. The II arm had lost most of the decals. Also the new tonearm looks great. Except for one thing. It is too long. I don't know what it is from - it is obviously a Victor outside horn tonearm, but if I line it up to the center of the spindle and put the reproduce down, the needle touches down about an inch out front of the spindle, instead of on center which it should do. I am about at the end of my rope. I've spent a lot of time and money to the point where I will have to keep this for awhile til values go up - as is I would need $2400 for it. Anybody got a true Vic III tonearm that they can send me the measurements to? Anybody got a true Vic III/IV/V tonearm available??? Save me Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.11/1997 - Release Date: 3/12/2009 10:38 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.11/1997 - Release Date: 3/12/2009 10:38 AM
[Phono-L] Opera like Phonograph? ( Luv My Edison )
Thank you. But won't somebody please tell the story of this mythical machine? I'm so very curious. Thanks, Jay -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Herman Wedemire Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:57 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera like Phonograph? ( Luv My Edison ) The person that is being called a Looney Tune:? ?His name was Steve Bovat and although?some may have had issues with him, I found my dealings with him were quite good. He always spent the time to drop me an email just to say hello and to wish me well.??I bought several items from him which are valuable to my collection. He always helped out when I needed a part that I had difficulty finding elsewhere. Apparently he had health issues which may contribute to the perception that some people had of him. I have never met Steve but I did not pass judgement. I know he was aware that negative comments were made on the forums about him and he expressed that he was very hurt from the comments as in his mind he was doing good for the phonograph community. My opinion that he did make some contribution to the hobby and meant well. I do not believe Steve is still with us anymore as I have not heard from him for a few years. Happy collecting. Herman Wedemire ? From: George Glastris glast...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 5:49:28 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera like Phonograph? The Looney Tune known as luvmyedisons was on Cape Cod, Massachusetts, so I don't believe this was the same one. - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera like Phonograph? look at the case on this thing.? Now compare it to a real opera case. See the difference?? The handles have already been mentioned.? This looks remarkably like the one that was sold or did not meet the reserve several years ago.? The seller was luvmyedisons and that spelling may not be spot on either.? the guy bought everything that? hit the block and then turned around and tried to sell them at a profit. Rich Albert wrote: I am curious about the Almost Opera that just appeared on Ebay.? Will an Amberola 1-a mech. fit that well in an opera case?? of course the serial plate is gone, but the bedplate color is opera correct, my 1-A is much darker.? Also I have never seen a model M reproducer that has been shaved like a trowel, any comments?? AL Menashe ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.6/1981 - Release Date: 3/3/2009 7:25 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.6/1981 - Release Date: 3/3/2009 7:25 AM
[Phono-L] Columbia AH w/ Talk-o-phone horn
Hi guys, Awhile back I purchased a very nice early fancy case Ah that came with a Talk-o-phone horn. The other night in a chat room I met a guy who also purchased the same. My question is, could these machines have been factory built. I ask because I know Columbia used up old Talk-o-phone cases on some of their machines. Did they do the same with their horns? Thanks, Jay No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.6/1981 - Release Date: 3/3/2009 7:25 AM From bruce78...@comcast.net Wed Mar 4 03:32:16 2009 From: bruce78...@comcast.net (bruce78...@comcast.net) Date: Wed Mar 4 03:32:22 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia AH w/ Talk-o-phone horn In-Reply-To: 259429387.3767511236166001455.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net Message-ID: 1713537030.3768091236166336889.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net I am the fellow you talked to Jay. I have often thought that myself. In addition to the Talk-o-phone Horn and elbow, mine also had the Talk-O-Phone soundbox as well. Interestingly the Soundbox was not Identified as a Talk-o-phone but only had the patent date in the area where the words Talk-O-Phone should be. The Seller, who did not disclose the talk-o-phone features of this AH agreed to give me a credit that was sufficient for me to purchase an original Columbia Analyzing Reproducer, which would be the correct one for the AH. I know that Columbia obtained those talk-o-phone inventoried items quite late for front mount graphophones, but I still theorize that perhaps they did try to move some of those excess front mount parts out as very late AH's. Bruce - Original Message - From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 1:22:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia AH w/ Talk-o-phone horn Hi guys, Awhile back I purchased a very nice early fancy case Ah that came with a Talk-o-phone horn. The other night in a chat room I met a guy who also purchased the same. My question is, could these machines have been factory built. I ask because I know Columbia used up old Talk-o-phone cases on some of their machines. Did they do the same with their horns? Thanks, Jay No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.6/1981 - Release Date: 3/3/2009 7:25 AM ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From phonofo...@aol.com Wed Mar 4 06:15:56 2009 From: phonofo...@aol.com (phonofo...@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 4 06:16:17 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Opera like Phonograph? ( Luv My Edison ) In-Reply-To: e674a095-93f3-4227-ac6c-da3c8b787...@alamedanet.net References: 176860.26718...@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com49abf186.3030...@mediaguide.com49abf58e.2010...@cox.net49ac1b3b.2000...@comcast.netcol118-w5219e27cad3b6636aaa14ef6...@phx.gbl49ac57ac.6000...@comcast.net000401c99b84$8897d510$7501a...@albert49acc760.2030...@octoxol.com11365169e953474cae11b314b5499...@glastrispc235812.11023...@web88301.mail.re4.yahoo.com e674a095-93f3-4227-ac6c-da3c8b787...@alamedanet.net Message-ID: 8cb6aeade8824cd-28c-2...@webmail-mb09.sysops.aol.com Does Steven live in Forestdale, MA? If it's the same Steven so he is 50 years old and still alive. -Original Message- From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@alamedanet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:40 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera like Phonograph? ( Luv My Edison ) seems like he may still be alive, just not active.? ? on the social security death index, it's interesting to note that almost every Bovat who had an SSN and has passed away, is in New England. extremely localized family.? ? http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi?lastname=BOVATstart=1? ? but no steve or steven or stephen, or even first initial S.? ? and there's a steve bovat who owns a flooring company in Sandwich MA:? ? http://start.cortera.com/company/research/k2p7rzs6k/floors-unlimited/? ? ? On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:57 AM, Herman Wedemire wrote:? ? The person that is being called a Looney Tune:? ? His name was Steve Bovat and although some may have had issues with him, I found my dealings with him were quite good. He always spent the time to drop me an email just to say hello and to wish me well. I bought several items from him which are valuable to my collection. He always helped out when I needed a part that I had difficulty finding elsewhere. Apparently he had health issues which may contribute to the perception that some people had of him. I have never met Steve but I did not pass judgement. I know he was aware that negative comments were made on the forums about him and he expressed that he was very hurt from the comments as in his mind he was doing good for the phonograph community. My opinion that he did
[Phono-L] Opera like Phonograph?
Well I'm curious. Please, what is the story? -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Albert Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:42 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera like Phonograph? No I dont remember, whats the story? - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Opera like Phonograph? The 1-A will fit. Is this the one that caused all of the uproar several years ago? Remember luvmyedisons? Albert wrote: I am curious about the Almost Opera that just appeared on Ebay. Will an Amberola 1-a mech. fit that well in an opera case? of course the serial plate is gone, but the bedplate color is opera correct, my 1-A is much darker. Also I have never seen a model M reproducer that has been shaved like a trowel, any comments? AL Menashe ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.5/1979 - Release Date: 3/1/2009 5:46 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.5/1979 - Release Date: 3/1/2009 5:46 PM
[Phono-L] phono on ebay
Can anyone please tell me if the HMV Orthophinic model 203 listed on ebay is anything special? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.4/1976 - Release Date: 2/27/2009 1:27 PM From ediso...@verizon.net Fri Feb 27 12:03:11 2009 From: ediso...@verizon.net (DanKj) Date: Fri Feb 27 13:03:47 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] phono on ebay References: 49a84206.0b97600a.1a42.6...@mx.google.com Message-ID: 7a6ffc2f083c414da68cb8b8fb9f1...@new http://cgi.ebay.com/PHONOGRAPH-GRAMOPHONE-HIS-MASTER-VOICE-MODEL-203_W0QQitemZ280314618257 Maybe he's hoping for a Japanese collector who still has money to burn? I wonder if the big cat comes with it - Original Message - From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 2:41 PM Subject: [Phono-L] phono on ebay Can anyone please tell me if the HMV Orthophinic model 203 listed on ebay is anything special?
