RE: [PHP] Re: PHP cuts download process prematurely
> -Original Message-
> From: Shawn McKenzie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:19 PM
> To: php-general@lists.php.net
> Subject: [PHP] Re: PHP cuts download process prematurely
>
> Manuel Barros Reyes wrote:
> > I am building a report application that generates some text files for
> > download and when the download starts it stops prematurely.
> >
> > The file sizes are currently in the order of the mega bytes and when I
> > try the script that generates and sends the file in a test server the
> > process goes smoothly no matter the size of the file but as soon as I
> > move the script to the production server dowloads cut at 300kb aprox.
> > My current workarround is to gzip the files and that is giving me some
> > extra time but the files are growing and sooner or later my
> > workarround will become useless.
> >
> > I guess the download is stoped by some timeout and not because of the
> > amount of kb downloaded because the size varies slightly. If that
> > timeout exists it should be of apox. 5-10 seconds.
> >
> > I use this function to perform the upload $contenido is the content of
> > the file and to that variable I assign the big chunk of output from
> > the report, $nombre_archivo is the optional name for the file. I can
> > paste more code but I think the problem is here.
> >
> > > function enviarArchivo($contenido, $nombre_archivo = "") {
> >
> >
> >
> > if($nombre_archivo == "") {
> >
> > $nombre_archivo = date("dmyHi").".csv";
> >
> > }
> >
> >
> >
> > header("Content-Type: application/octet-stream");
> >
> > header("Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=$nombre_archivo");
> >
> > header("Content-Length: ".strlen($contenido));
> >
> > echo $contenido;
> >
> > }
> >
> > ?>
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> > Manuel
>
> What does your error log say when this happens?
>
> -Shawn
Though this is not likely to solve the problem, try adding the following two
lines at the beginning of the script (even before you query the database and do
all your logic)
ignore_user_abort(true);
set_time_limit(0);
If this solves the problem you should read this http://ar2.php.net/info and this
http://ar2.php.net/manual/es/function.ignore-user-abort.php carefully and then
choose more rational settings. PHP has a default execution time of 30s.
However, this is not likely to solve the problem as execution time should not be
affected by streaming and we are assuming the user/browser is not aborting the
connection. On the other hand you could support download resuming (it involves
some tricky headers and if you are willing to dig deeper into this read the
manual notes at http://ar.php.net/manual/es/function.header.php). But this won't
solve your problem... at least for IE as it doesn't support resuming :(.
You need the log files to know exactly what the problem is. And, even if you are
not solving this issue using compression as a workaround, you may also want to
add at the beginning of the script:
ob_start("ob_gzhandler")
Or... you can use "zlib.output_compression" INI setting in an .htaccess file or
in php.ini.
Compressed files will require more server processing but will download way
faster. ob_gzhandler and zlib compression are transparent to the end user, so
they will think they've got the uncompressed file, no need to gzip the files
programmatically.
Regards,
Rob
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RE: [PHP] When to use design patterns?
It depends on the size and scope of your project. For the most part, you should know what you have coded before and when encountering something new, the previous work should help in doing the new work. Hth Wolf -Original Message- From: skylark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 5:16 AM To: PHP General List Subject: [PHP] When to use design patterns? Hi all, Design patterns are really hot today. And I am really interested when and how often they are used. It is said that 99% of the projects don't need them. Any opinion appreciated. Regards, Shelley -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: PHP cuts download process prematurely
Manuel Barros Reyes wrote:
> I am building a report application that generates some text files for
> download and when the download starts it stops prematurely.
>
> The file sizes are currently in the order of the mega bytes and when I
> try the script that generates and sends the file in a test server the
> process goes smoothly no matter the size of the file but as soon as I
> move the script to the production server dowloads cut at 300kb aprox.
> My current workarround is to gzip the files and that is giving me some
> extra time but the files are growing and sooner or later my
> workarround will become useless.
>
> I guess the download is stoped by some timeout and not because of the
> amount of kb downloaded because the size varies slightly. If that
> timeout exists it should be of apox. 5-10 seconds.
>
> I use this function to perform the upload $contenido is the content of
> the file and to that variable I assign the big chunk of output from
> the report, $nombre_archivo is the optional name for the file. I can
> paste more code but I think the problem is here.
>
> function enviarArchivo($contenido, $nombre_archivo = "") {
>
>
>
> if($nombre_archivo == "") {
>
> $nombre_archivo = date("dmyHi").".csv";
>
> }
>
>
>
> header("Content-Type: application/octet-stream");
>
> header("Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=$nombre_archivo");
>
> header("Content-Length: ".strlen($contenido));
>
> echo $contenido;
>
> }
>
> ?>
>
> Thanks in advance
> Manuel
What does your error log say when this happens?
-Shawn
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[PHP] PHP cuts download process prematurely
I am building a report application that generates some text files for download and when the download starts it stops prematurely. The file sizes are currently in the order of the mega bytes and when I try the script that generates and sends the file in a test server the process goes smoothly no matter the size of the file but as soon as I move the script to the production server dowloads cut at 300kb aprox. My current workarround is to gzip the files and that is giving me some extra time but the files are growing and sooner or later my workarround will become useless. I guess the download is stoped by some timeout and not because of the amount of kb downloaded because the size varies slightly. If that timeout exists it should be of apox. 5-10 seconds. I use this function to perform the upload $contenido is the content of the file and to that variable I assign the big chunk of output from the report, $nombre_archivo is the optional name for the file. I can paste more code but I think the problem is here. Thanks in advance Manuel -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Mysql vs. Mysqli crash handling
On Monday 25 February 2008, Daniel Brown wrote: > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Larry Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi folks. I've an odd issue. > > Only fair. You're an odd bird, and we're an odd bunch. ;-P > > > If I connect to a MySQL DB using ext/mysql, and for whatever reason the > > process dies (uncaught exception, fatal error, etc.) the connection is > > garbage collected and closed. If, however, I use ext/mysqli, the > > connection remains open forever and just eats up resources, eventually > > resulting in hitting the connection limit. Same app, same database, same > > server. > > What version of PHP and MySQL (client extension and server) are you > using? Yeah, I should have mentioned that... PHP 5.1.6, MySQL 5.0.48 (client and server I think; I'm not the sysadmin). > What do your mysqli_query() command and SQL query string look like? I'll have to ask our sysadmin for the test scripts he ran. (We're running the site on Drupal, which can handle either, but has a lot of DB abstraction involved. He tested it sans-Drupal, but I am not sure what his scripts were.) > > Any idea why mysqli behaves that way, and how to make it clean up > > properly? (Yes I should of course try to avoid fatals in the first > > place, but when they do happen I don't want them to bring the whole > > server to its knees.) > > I may not be able to help you, since I've only recently started > switching myself over to mysqli (I know, as always I'm late to adopt), > but with more information, maybe someone like Richard Lynch can come > in and work a miracle. Hi Rich! :-) -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas Jefferson -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Deleting all rows in a database every 24 hours?
Or make a 'truncate.sql' file with the tables in it to truncate: TRUNCATE TABLE foo; TRUNCATE TABLE bar; Then in the crontab "mysql mydatabase < truncate.sql" No PHP needed. > -Original Message- > From: Daniel Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 6:59 AM > To: Zoran Bogdanov > Cc: php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] Deleting all rows in a database every 24 hours? > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:28 AM, Zoran Bogdanov > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The title says it all, how do I perform an action every 24 hours? > > Another question better answered on Google. > > PHP Script: > $sql = "TRUNCATE TABLE `tablename`"; > mysql_query($sql); > ?> > > Crontab Entry: > 40 3 * * * `which php` /path/to/your/script.php > > That will run every morning at 3:40a server time with the > path-preferred PHP. If you're on Windows, look up Scheduled Tasks. > > -- > > > Daniel P. Brown > Senior Unix Geek > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] RE: temprorary error
At 5:49 PM -0500 2/25/08, Matty Sarro wrote: So, if God begat Rasmus, and Rasmus begat PHP... that means PHP is like a gift from God right? Kinda like the Transformers? And microwave burritos? I'm glad that someone get's it. :-) tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: When to use design patterns?
At 9:58 PM + 2/25/08, Stut wrote: Not disagreeing with you, but just to be clear Joomla is a fork of Mambo. -Stut Oh, I thought everyone was talking about dances and all along it's been silverware. Damn, I'm never going to get this design pattern thing. :-) Cheers, tedd -- -- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: When to use design patterns?
At 4:27 PM -0500 2/25/08, Jason Pruim wrote: On Feb 25, 2008, at 4:18 PM, tedd wrote: I do everything from basic design to back-end stuff and everything in between -- all with the newest buzz-words applied (i.e., graceful degradation, unobtrusive code, accessible, functional, secure, and it validates). Can you do web 2.0? Because it just HAS to be web 2.0... anything else is s last version :) No, I'm already doing Web 3.0. In this biz, you have to stay ahead of the game. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] session id
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Łukasz Wojciechowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, I'm using SWFUpload JavaScript for my upload in my logged part of > website. I'm passing session_id in every post request from flash > object. In my script I set forwarded id with > session_id($_POST['passed_id']) but I got logout on that request (it's > redirecting me to login page) and I'm also logged out in my browser > (not flash). Then I need to relog. Everything is working fine when I'm > not touching session_id() id setting. Any clues? Try this instead: As always, BE SURE TO SANITIZE YOUR CODE! -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek
RE: [PHP] RE: temprorary error
That sound like the lineage to me. (Don't you hear the voices?) Warren Vail > -Original Message- > From: Matty Sarro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 2:50 PM > To: Wolf > Cc: tedd; php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] RE: temprorary error > > So, if God begat Rasmus, and Rasmus begat PHP... that means PHP is like a > gift from God right? Kinda like the Transformers? And microwave burritos? > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > tedd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > At 11:18 AM -0500 2/25/08, Daniel Brown wrote: > > > > I didn't think Quakers could use computers. Or electricity. > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, that's the Amish. > > > > > > Quakers are the one's who make cereal. > > > > > Except for Joseph who run the underground power cable through the field > > one day and has the computer which hides in the hidden chamber behind > the > > roll-top desk that is activated via a hidden release/tumbler system. > > > > There are definitely days when the power being missing are fun though... > > ;) > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] session id
Hi, I'm using SWFUpload JavaScript for my upload in my logged part of website. I'm passing session_id in every post request from flash object. In my script I set forwarded id with session_id($_POST['passed_id']) but I got logout on that request (it's redirecting me to login page) and I'm also logged out in my browser (not flash). Then I need to relog. Everything is working fine when I'm not touching session_id() id setting. Any clues? -- Łukasz Wojciechowski
Re: [PHP] RE: temprorary error
So, if God begat Rasmus, and Rasmus begat PHP... that means PHP is like a gift from God right? Kinda like the Transformers? And microwave burritos? On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > tedd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At 11:18 AM -0500 2/25/08, Daniel Brown wrote: > > > I didn't think Quakers could use computers. Or electricity. > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > > > No, that's the Amish. > > > > Quakers are the one's who make cereal. > > > Except for Joseph who run the underground power cable through the field > one day and has the computer which hides in the hidden chamber behind the > roll-top desk that is activated via a hidden release/tumbler system. > > There are definitely days when the power being missing are fun though... > ;) > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >
Re: [PHP] Re: When to use design patterns?
On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 16:35 -0500, Matty Sarro wrote: > Dangit, I can only do web1.9.5 :( > I guess I've been deprecated... Loozers... I come from the year 3129 and we do DWeb 80.3 on the Hyperweb! We can link to the past... we found Zelda! *groan :)* Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: When to use design patterns?
Greg Donald wrote: On 2/25/08, Michael McGlothlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've been fighting with stupid Joomla lately because it throws Javascript errors making it unusable. The un-usability began for me when I became aware of the 250+ published exploits under it's current "Joomla" name: http://search.securityfocus.com/swsearch?query=joomla&metaname=alldoc And the 280+ exploits when it was called "Mambo": http://search.securityfocus.com/swsearch?query=mambo&metaname=alldoc Not disagreeing with you, but just to be clear Joomla is a fork of Mambo, not a rename. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: When to use design patterns?
On 2/25/08, Michael McGlothlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been fighting with stupid Joomla lately because it throws > Javascript errors making it unusable. The un-usability began for me when I became aware of the 250+ published exploits under it's current "Joomla" name: http://search.securityfocus.com/swsearch?query=joomla&metaname=alldoc And the 280+ exploits when it was called "Mambo": http://search.securityfocus.com/swsearch?query=mambo&metaname=alldoc -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: When to use design patterns?
Dangit, I can only do web1.9.5 :( I guess I've been deprecated... On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Jason Pruim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Feb 25, 2008, at 4:18 PM, tedd wrote: > > > At 9:51 AM -0500 2/25/08, Eric Butera wrote: > >> To each their own I guess. Just out of curiosity, are you primarily > >> writing entire web applications or one off scripts? > > > > If a client can describe it, that's what I do. > > > > As compared to some of the others of this list, I'm just a script- > > kiddy. But, I do have the ability to make just about anything work > > AND look good! So we all have our place. > > > > I do everything from basic design to back-end stuff and everything > > in between -- all with the newest buzz-words applied (i.e., graceful > > degradation, unobtrusive code, accessible, functional, secure, and > > it validates). > Can you do web 2.0? Because it just HAS to be web 2.0... anything else > is s last version :) > > > > > -- > > Jason Pruim > Raoset Inc. > Technology Manager > MQC Specialist > 3251 132nd ave > Holland, MI, 49424-9337 > www.raoset.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >
Re: [PHP] Re: When to use design patterns?
Can you do web 2.0? Because it just HAS to be web 2.0... anything else is s last version :) Yuck - I hate overuse of 'web 2.0' stuff. Don't add features that don't benefit your users and if you must do fancy stuff then please make sure your site still works for users without Javascript, Flash, Java, etc. I've been fighting with stupid Joomla lately because it throws Javascript errors making it unusable. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [PHP] Re: When to use design patterns?
On Feb 25, 2008, at 4:18 PM, tedd wrote: At 9:51 AM -0500 2/25/08, Eric Butera wrote: To each their own I guess. Just out of curiosity, are you primarily writing entire web applications or one off scripts? If a client can describe it, that's what I do. As compared to some of the others of this list, I'm just a script- kiddy. But, I do have the ability to make just about anything work AND look good! So we all have our place. I do everything from basic design to back-end stuff and everything in between -- all with the newest buzz-words applied (i.e., graceful degradation, unobtrusive code, accessible, functional, secure, and it validates). Can you do web 2.0? Because it just HAS to be web 2.0... anything else is s last version :) -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 3251 132nd ave Holland, MI, 49424-9337 www.raoset.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: When to use design patterns?
At 9:51 AM -0500 2/25/08, Eric Butera wrote: To each their own I guess. Just out of curiosity, are you primarily writing entire web applications or one off scripts? If a client can describe it, that's what I do. As compared to some of the others of this list, I'm just a script-kiddy. But, I do have the ability to make just about anything work AND look good! So we all have our place. I do everything from basic design to back-end stuff and everything in between -- all with the newest buzz-words applied (i.e., graceful degradation, unobtrusive code, accessible, functional, secure, and it validates). My clients seem pleased, I love the work, and I get paid. I program 10 to 14 hours per day and 6 to 7 days per week. So even someone as limited as me, will learn something from that work load. I would like to think I'm an agile programmer. But the truth is, I survive in constantly changing technology. Does that answer your question? Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Mysql vs. Mysqli crash handling
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Larry Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi folks. I've an odd issue. Only fair. You're an odd bird, and we're an odd bunch. ;-P > If I connect to a MySQL DB using ext/mysql, and for whatever reason the > process dies (uncaught exception, fatal error, etc.) the connection is > garbage collected and closed. If, however, I use ext/mysqli, the connection > remains open forever and just eats up resources, eventually resulting in > hitting the connection limit. Same app, same database, same server. What version of PHP and MySQL (client extension and server) are you using? What do your mysqli_query() command and SQL query string look like? > Any idea why mysqli behaves that way, and how to make it clean up properly? > (Yes I should of course try to avoid fatals in the first place, but when they > do happen I don't want them to bring the whole server to its knees.) I may not be able to help you, since I've only recently started switching myself over to mysqli (I know, as always I'm late to adopt), but with more information, maybe someone like Richard Lynch can come in and work a miracle. -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Question about PHP Licence and it's future!
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Tamer Higazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Daniel! Hey, Tamer! > Thanks for your feedback. My pleasure. However, please keep all replies on-list as the discussion continues, because this also helps people who are attempting to find the information on the web locate it in the archives. > Yes, meanwhile I figuered out (how lazy I am) that PHP is published through > it's own license. Yes, sir. And don't worry I'm lazy as well. Just ask Pierre Joye on the Internals list (re: Gmail quoting)! ;-P > Well, then you made me secure with your words. I was thinking allmost to > switch to Python (which is really a great language) > > I think in future I make my comparisons between PHP5 and Python and make > a performance test. Would hardly interist me. > > But shitt Python is really great. Python is a good language. I like it a lot for command line programming, but it's not as prolific and well-accepted as PHP is when considering a web language. > But I am that hardcoded PHP, that I am not able to easy switch to any > other language. Specially, that PHP in Version 5 gives me that OOP > Aspects and full freedom I want. Yes, PHP5 went from being a crap-tastic piece of frustration when it was a release candidate to being one of the absolute best web-usable languages and versions (discounting CGI access, for those of you lawyers out there!) to exist to date, in my opinion. There's tremendous extensibility with very little overhead, and virtually zero financial layout. > But take your fingers away from Ruby. How can somebody come to the > ultimatively stupid idea to create for every small thing an object. No joke like VB.NET. I can't see the sense in having to define something in three lines (Ruby) when I can just use a built-in construct to do the same in one line (PHP). > God thanks that I am able to write static methods, attributes in PHP5. > > > SPL in PHP5 is great. Boah Yeah. In English, we'd say "boo-yaa!" ;-P > Hope it stay open source for alll and ever all times. With your help and that of others continuing the spirit of the project, it will. Just make sure that, after you've taken enough from the PHP community (and the open source community as a whole) to get yourself going, you give back to help others learn as well. That's how the heart beats in open source. > with kind regards from Cairo And a great big "HELLO, WORLD!" to Egypt from Scranton, Pennsylvania (United States). :-D -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: When to use design patterns?
At 10:31 AM -0500 2/25/08, Matty Sarro wrote: Also maybe look at Head First Design Patterns if you are interested in ever understanding them. Okay -- thanks for the recommendation -- I just bought it. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] RE: temprorary error
tedd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 11:18 AM -0500 2/25/08, Daniel Brown wrote: > > I didn't think Quakers could use computers. Or electricity. > > > >-- > > > > > No, that's the Amish. > > Quakers are the one's who make cereal. > Except for Joseph who run the underground power cable through the field one day and has the computer which hides in the hidden chamber behind the roll-top desk that is activated via a hidden release/tumbler system. There are definitely days when the power being missing are fun though... ;) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Mysql vs. Mysqli crash handling
Hi folks. I've an odd issue. If I connect to a MySQL DB using ext/mysql, and for whatever reason the process dies (uncaught exception, fatal error, etc.) the connection is garbage collected and closed. If, however, I use ext/mysqli, the connection remains open forever and just eats up resources, eventually resulting in hitting the connection limit. Same app, same database, same server. Any idea why mysqli behaves that way, and how to make it clean up properly? (Yes I should of course try to avoid fatals in the first place, but when they do happen I don't want them to bring the whole server to its knees.) --Larry Garfield -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] checking for and enforcing https
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> if($_SERVER['SERVER_PORT'] != '443') {
>$url = isset($_SERVER['HTTP_HOST']) ? $_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'] :
> $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'];
>header("Location:
> https://".$url.$_SERVER['PHP_SELF']."?".$_SERVER['QUERY_STRING']);
>exit;
>}
> ?>
>
>
An alternative to this if you don't know the port would be to check
$_ENV["HTTPS"] for "off":
if ($_ENV["HTTPS"] == "off") ... [insert the rest of Daniel's code here]
--
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Re: [PHP] RE: temprorary error
At 11:18 AM -0500 2/25/08, Daniel Brown wrote: I didn't think Quakers could use computers. Or electricity. -- No, that's the Amish. Quakers are the one's who make cereal. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] checking for and enforcing https
OK.. I was referring to the lack of if checking on your post.. But I should have assumed that you did it that way. As long as your validating whether you are secure before you try and go secure is what I was getting at. Also, I agree on odd usage of port numbers, most of my stuff runs on standard ports, so I have never had any issues on that front. -- Stephen Johnson c | eh The Lone Coder http://www.thelonecoder.com continuing the struggle against bad code http://www.fortheloveofgeeks.com I¹m a geek and I¹m OK! -- > From: Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:26:12 -0500 > To: Stephen Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Rick Pasotto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Subject: Re: [PHP] checking for and enforcing https > > Nope, it works like a charm for me, but I have it in an IF statement checking > to see if the requestor is https or not to begin with. > > I actually have it called as a function that passes in the rest of the path of > the file that is being requested, which is called within an included page, > which is included via a function call in a page that is automagically > pre-pended to every page on the site. > > And it works like a charm no matter where you are trying to hit it or how many > sites/links you move in an out of. > > Wolf -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] checking for and enforcing https
On 25 Feb 2008, at 18:40, Rick Pasotto wrote: What is the best or recomended proceedure for making sure that a page is accessed only via a secure connection? What web server are you using? In my experience this is best done there rather than in PHP. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: AMP installer
Hey! Just a thank you to all who replied to this thread, I will be taking your suggestion and installing xampp, will post back if I hit any walls. Thanks again! Cheers! R Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] checking for and enforcing https
Stephen Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Or you can cheat...
> >
> > $url = $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'];
> > header( 'Location:https://'.$url.'');
> >
> >
>
> I think that would cause an infinite loop of redirection...
>
> This would be better
>
>
> $curPort = $_SERVER['SERVER_PORT'];
> $pageTo = $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'];
>
> if($curPort == "80") {
>// go secure
>header("location:https://www.domain.com$pageTo";);
>exit;
> }
> ?>
>
>
Also realize, your code ONLY works if people use the standard ports...
With the way I have it check ($SERVER variables), then you eliminate that and
no matter what ports the server runs on, you get the correct switching you need.
Wolf
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Re: [PHP] checking for and enforcing https
Nope, it works like a charm for me, but I have it in an IF statement checking
to see if the requestor is https or not to begin with.
I actually have it called as a function that passes in the rest of the path of
the file that is being requested, which is called within an included page,
which is included via a function call in a page that is automagically
pre-pended to every page on the site.
And it works like a charm no matter where you are trying to hit it or how many
sites/links you move in an out of.
Wolf
Stephen Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Or you can cheat...
> >
> > $url = $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'];
> > header( 'Location:https://'.$url.'');
> >
> >
>
> I think that would cause an infinite loop of redirection...
>
> This would be better
>
>
> $curPort = $_SERVER['SERVER_PORT'];
> $pageTo = $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'];
>
> if($curPort == "80") {
>// go secure
>header("location:https://www.domain.com$pageTo";);
>exit;
> }
> ?>
>
>
> --
> Stephen Johnson c | eh
> The Lone Coder
>
> http://www.thelonecoder.com
> continuing the struggle against bad code
>
> http://www.fortheloveofgeeks.com
> I¹m a geek and I¹m OK!
> --
>
>
>
>
> > From: Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:55:41 -0500
> > To: Rick Pasotto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc:
> > Subject: Re: [PHP] checking for and enforcing https
> >
> >
> > Rick Pasotto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> What is the best or recomended proceedure for making sure that a page is
> >> accessed only via a secure connection?
> >>
> >
> > Make the server only send over 443 instead of 80...
> >
> > But if you don't have the ability to change .htaccess or httpd.conf then you
> > can use the $SERVER variables and make them work that way...
> >
>
> > Wolf
> >
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Re: [PHP] checking for and enforcing https
> Or you can cheat... > > $url = $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME']; > header( 'Location:https://'.$url.''); > > I think that would cause an infinite loop of redirection... This would be better https://www.domain.com$pageTo";); exit; } ?> -- Stephen Johnson c | eh The Lone Coder http://www.thelonecoder.com continuing the struggle against bad code http://www.fortheloveofgeeks.com I¹m a geek and I¹m OK! -- > From: Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:55:41 -0500 > To: Rick Pasotto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: > Subject: Re: [PHP] checking for and enforcing https > > > Rick Pasotto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> What is the best or recomended proceedure for making sure that a page is >> accessed only via a secure connection? >> > > Make the server only send over 443 instead of 80... > > But if you don't have the ability to change .htaccess or httpd.conf then you > can use the $SERVER variables and make them work that way... > > Wolf > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] checking for and enforcing https
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Rick Pasotto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What is the best or recomended proceedure for making sure that a page is > accessed only via a secure connection? Provided you're running SSL on the standard HTTPS port of 443, include this at the very top of every file, before any output or session information is sent. The best option would be to include it in a file in a switched index.php or similar design. https://".$url.$_SERVER['PHP_SELF']."?".$_SERVER['QUERY_STRING']); exit; } ?> -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Question about PHP Licence and it's future!
On Feb 25, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Daniel Brown wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Jason Pruim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does that mean we can also subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? I've always like the idea of being an outlaw... But the closet I ever came to that was a speeding ticket when I was 16! :P Don't worry, J. With everything that's wrong with that message, you're already a Grammar Fugitive in our eyes. ;-P Think that's bad... You should see my source code! $var= Sup_CAL- la_FRg=listic_x_b_al_a_doshes($VeRyImPoRtAnT_VaRiAbLe_NaMe_HeRe) :) -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 3251 132nd ave Holland, MI, 49424-9337 www.raoset.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Question about PHP Licence and it's future!
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Andrés Robinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh dear, I think I can't help it! I'll need a good lawyer in order to avoid > life > imprisonment! > But... in order to have a fair court on this trial, only people capable of > quickly repeating "tres tristes tigres comen trigo en un trigal" in Spanish > should be part of the jury. :) Conjeturo que es una buena cosa que entonces hablo español. Por lo menos un poco. ;-P -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Question about PHP Licence and it's future!
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Jason Pruim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does that mean we can also subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ? I've always like the idea of being an outlaw... But the closet I > ever came to that was a speeding ticket when I was 16! :P Don't worry, J. With everything that's wrong with that message, you're already a Grammar Fugitive in our eyes. ;-P -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] checking for and enforcing https
Rick Pasotto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What is the best or recomended proceedure for making sure that a page is > accessed only via a secure connection? > Make the server only send over 443 instead of 80... But if you don't have the ability to change .htaccess or httpd.conf then you can use the $SERVER variables and make them work that way... Or you can cheat... $url = $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME']; header( 'Location:https://'.$url.''); Wolf -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: checking for and enforcing https
Rick Pasotto wrote: > What is the best or recomended proceedure for making sure that a page is > accessed only via a secure connection? > Best is subjective, however I check in $_SERVER['SERVER_PROTOCOL'], also https will appear in some other $_SERVER vars. -Shawn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] checking for and enforcing https
Rick Pasotto wrote: > What is the best or recomended proceedure for making sure that a page > is accessed only via a secure connection? The guaranteed way is not serving it over an insecure connection. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Question about PHP Licence and it's future!
On Feb 25, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Daniel Brown wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Andrés Robinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks for pointing out the *who* instead of *that* :), since I didn't realized it until now. That's "realize", Andrés. ;-P Oh, and by the way Thank you for subscribing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does that mean we can also subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? I've always like the idea of being an outlaw... But the closet I ever came to that was a speeding ticket when I was 16! :P -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 3251 132nd ave Holland, MI, 49424-9337 www.raoset.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Question about PHP Licence and it's future!
> -Original Message- > From: Daniel Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 1:24 PM > To: Andrés Robinet > Cc: tedd; php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] Question about PHP Licence and it's future! > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Andrés Robinet > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Thanks for pointing out the *who* instead of *that* :), since I > didn't realized > > > it until now. > > > > That's "realize", Andrés. ;-P > > > Oh, and by the way > > Thank you for subscribing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Heh. > > -- > > > Daniel P. Brown > Senior Unix Geek > Oh dear, I think I can't help it! I'll need a good lawyer in order to avoid life imprisonment! But... in order to have a fair court on this trial, only people capable of quickly repeating "tres tristes tigres comen trigo en un trigal" in Spanish should be part of the jury. :) Regards, Rob(inet) Andrés Robinet | Lead Developer | BESTPLACE CORPORATION 5100 Bayview Drive 206, Royal Lauderdale Landings, Fort Lauderdale, FL 33308 | TEL 954-607-4207 | FAX 954-337-2695 | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | MSN Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | SKYPE: bestplace | Web: bestplace.biz | Web: seo-diy.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] checking for and enforcing https
What is the best or recomended proceedure for making sure that a page is accessed only via a secure connection? -- "The secret of being miserable is to have the leisure to bother about whether you are happy or not. The cure is occupation." -- George Bernard Shaw Rick Pasotto[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.niof.net -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] URL modification
I think this is a highly underused built-in feature. Agreed. I started to use it on my blog instead of a query string and pages reported by Google went up. -- Richard Heyes http://www.phpguru.org Free PHP and Javascript code -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Question about PHP Licence and it's future!
On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 13:24 -0500, Daniel Brown wrote: > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Andrés Robinet > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Thanks for pointing out the *who* instead of *that* :), since I didn't > > realized > > > it until now. > > > > That's "realize", Andrés. ;-P > > > Oh, and by the way > > Thank you for subscribing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] *scuttles away to subscribe* -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Question about PHP Licence and it's future!
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Andrés Robinet > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks for pointing out the *who* instead of *that* :), since I didn't > realized > > it until now. > > That's "realize", Andrés. ;-P Oh, and by the way Thank you for subscribing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Heh. -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Question about PHP Licence and it's future!
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Andrés Robinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for pointing out the *who* instead of *that* :), since I didn't > realized > it until now. That's "realize", Andrés. ;-P Rob, Robber, Robot, Robin-Laid-An-Egg -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Plant Extracts and Our Factory
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is... (S)PAM (P)HP (A)d (M)ail Damn those recursive acronyms. -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: When to use design patterns?
[snip] Design patterns are used to solve common problems to in OOP programming. [/snip] It is just not limited to OOP, design patterns are used to solve common programming problems regardless of methodology. They have come into vogue with OOP and have been leveraged heavily in that case. Design patterns are everywhere. Do you need to use them? Only if the case implies it. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] All Survey leading to PHP
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 8:35 AM, tedd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now, that doesn't mean that you can't patent your idea -- and that's > the best protection I know. That is, until I finish development of the CodeCondom[TM]. Just cover the electric plugs to every computer of every developer who may ever come into contact with your code with a piece of thick, resilient rubber, effectively disabling power to the unit. -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Flash menu
On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 3:46 AM, Alain Roger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > i have a problem with my animated web flash menu (+images+sounds). > basically my menu in embedded into flash, and each time that i click on menu > link, my flash is playing from start as it is integrated into each PHP > pages. > I know that this is not the topic of this forum, but i would like to know > how you cope with such issue from PHP point of view ? Flash uses ActionScript, which is just a slightly-modified (and Flash-centric) version of JavaScript. I'd suggest checking into using your Flash GUI as an AJAX frontend, reading the PHP returns from the server through a socket read in Flash. Now as to how to do that...? I haven't a bloody clue! ;-P -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] More than one values returned?
On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 6:21 AM, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-02-22 at 18:13 -0500, tedd wrote: > > At 5:27 PM -0500 2/22/08, Robert Cummings wrote: > > >On Fri, 2008-02-22 at 17:04 -0500, Nathan Nobbe wrote: > > > > and btw; your narratives are are just damned hilarious rob ;) > > > > > >Take that Ted... I'm quitting my day job!! :) > > > > > >Cheers, > > >Rob. > > > > Robb: <-- note the addition of an extra 'b' for my loss of a 'd' > > > > He said your narratives, not your jokes. ;) > > > > Besides, if you gave up programming and took up comedy, both > > professions would suffer. > > > > How's that for a backhanded compliment? :-) > > Thanks for the... I mean ouch, I mean thanks for the compli... no ouch, > bah, you and your double speak. Tedd's message was the last email I saw before I left for the weekend. And perhaps it was through my visualization from his words (physically backhanding Rob while whispering sweet nothings in his ear), but I cracked up by which I mean I literally laughed out loud. And still today, it makes me chuckle. -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Password protected ZIP file
Hey folks, I just wanna say thanks for whole help you've had give to me. I did solve my problem with clues you give to me. Now, I have a server exclusively to my project and I enabled the system command and zip command works fine. Thanks again, Petrus Bastos.
Re: [PHP] Ignoring user cancel
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 9:19 PM, K T Ligesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > I have a php process running on lighty that should continue even if the > user presses cancel in his browser. The default behavior is that the > web-server will kill the cgi process on user cancellation. Is there some way > I can prevent the user cancel from interfering with the php process. Can I > ignore the web-server's kill in php or is this a configuration that should be > handled at the web-server? Check out these two functions: ignore_user_abort(): http://php.net/manual/en/function.connection-aborted.php connection_aborted(): http://php.net/manual/en/function.connection-aborted.php The latter of which can help with logging if you want to see when the user killed the connection. -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Question about PHP Licence and it's future!
On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 11:50 PM, Tamer Higazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi! Hi!!! > I have asked myself a question. And what answer did you get? > After I saw, that SAP will no more > release future Versions of their open source Database MaxDB under the > GPL License, I have asked myself either if this could happen with PHP. The quick answer would be: no, nay, never. > Who owns PHP? Is it Zend Technologies or the PHP Group itself? "Who" is > the PHP Group and what makes the PHP Group? The beauty of open source: we all own it. Through permission granted by the PHP license, you can do almost anything you want with the PHP source. Including what's called "forking": which, like a fork in the road, means to take the project in a slightly different direction. > Who guaranties that future Versions of PHP stays open source and are > being released under the Terms of the General Public Licenses? PHP was never GPL'd code. Check the license there are some pretty big differences. To answer your question, though, we all, as a community, ensure that PHP remains open source, in one form or another. > Can future Versions from one day to the other no more being released > under the GPL, only under a closed source license? Let us say, PHP would > be distributed for several architectures only in binary forms and the > PECL modules stay open source. Once again, it's not GPL, but I know what you're inferring. There's nothing to stop Zend or anyone else in the world from offering a "closed source" PHP, but you can bet your boxers (preferably clean and unworn) that it won't receive the same accolades or acceptance by the masses as the free and open source option. It may be better-accepted by high-spending commercial interests, but it won't exist on such a high majority of servers worldwide as it does now. > These questions are for me very importand according to an commercial > product which will be planed, designed, written and sold commercially. > > We are pendling between Ruby, Python and PHP5. Only the point "written" > is unclear. For all intents and purposes, I implore you: fear not; for PHP is, was, and ever shall be! The project isn't going anywhere any time in the foreseeable future, Tamer. PHP as an open source language is indefinite. And on another note, if you're worried about a version you already have installed becoming commercialized, don't. It's virtually impossible. -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Question about PHP Licence and it's future!
> -Original Message- > From: tedd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:09 AM > To: php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: RE: [PHP] Question about PHP Licence and it's future! > > >Rob (Other Rob that is actually called Andrés) > > Yeah, that confused me too. Especially when I saw you arguing with > yourself. > > Also, the phrase: > > "Rob (Other Rob that is actually called Andrés)" > > would read better as: > > "Rob (Other Rob who is actually called Andrés)" > > Why don't you use the name Andrés ? That's much better than "Rob" anyway. > ;-) > > Cheers, > > tedd > > -- > --- > http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com > *gringos* started calling me Rob long ago. It's shorter, it's easier to pronounce and it's a short form for my last name (Robinet). So I just adopted it for simplicity. However it turns out to be a mess sometimes since they've called me *Robert*, *Robbie* and whatever you can imagine that starts with Rob (lol). Humility aside, Andrés is the best name ever! :). But my opinion might be just a bit biased (*bias* is such a fashion these days :)) Also, It's likely that you will find spelling and grammar issues all over in my writing, since I'm a Spanish speaker by birth and I still live in Argentina. Thanks for pointing out the *who* instead of *that* :), since I didn't realized it until now. Cheers, Rob(inet) Andrés Robinet | Lead Developer | BESTPLACE CORPORATION 5100 Bayview Drive 206, Royal Lauderdale Landings, Fort Lauderdale, FL 33308 | TEL 954-607-4207 | FAX 954-337-2695 | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | MSN Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | SKYPE: bestplace | Web: bestplace.biz | Web: seo-diy.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Storing user ID in a cookie security precautions
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 12:28 -0500, Steve Finkelstein wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > I just completed my first reading of Advanced PHP Programming by > > George Schlossnagle and was very impressed and thankful for the wealth > > of information with examples provided by George. > > > > With that said, there is a chapter dedicated to Authentication using > > client-side cookies and encrypting a user id amongst other meta data > > using mcrypt. > > > > My question to the community is -- I'd like to try something similar > > to this approach for an application I'm working on. Although I'm a bit > > concerned as in the event of XSS or something of that nature, what if > > a userid a compromised and manipulated? Is it unlikely with George's > > encryption algorithms? > > > > I figured it would be redundant to store the user ID in a $_SESSION as > > well as I need a variable to pop the user id into for my queries. > > > > Anyhow, the class is certainly a welcome addition as far as I'm > > concerned.. but at the same time I'm paranoid someone figuring out the > > encryption on a cookie, manipulating it with an arbitrary user id, and > > then being able to have complete authorization to another users data. > > > > Thank you for your $.02! > > I would never store the user ID in the cookie. The session ID itself is > sufficient to find the user ID. Why open up more avenues for attack? you should see code igniter; they want to dump all the session data in a cookie; absolute madness :O -nathan
Re: [PHP] Storing user ID in a cookie security precautions
On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 12:28 -0500, Steve Finkelstein wrote: > Hi folks, > > I just completed my first reading of Advanced PHP Programming by > George Schlossnagle and was very impressed and thankful for the wealth > of information with examples provided by George. > > With that said, there is a chapter dedicated to Authentication using > client-side cookies and encrypting a user id amongst other meta data > using mcrypt. > > My question to the community is -- I'd like to try something similar > to this approach for an application I'm working on. Although I'm a bit > concerned as in the event of XSS or something of that nature, what if > a userid a compromised and manipulated? Is it unlikely with George's > encryption algorithms? > > I figured it would be redundant to store the user ID in a $_SESSION as > well as I need a variable to pop the user id into for my queries. > > Anyhow, the class is certainly a welcome addition as far as I'm > concerned.. but at the same time I'm paranoid someone figuring out the > encryption on a cookie, manipulating it with an arbitrary user id, and > then being able to have complete authorization to another users data. > > Thank you for your $.02! I would never store the user ID in the cookie. The session ID itself is sufficient to find the user ID. Why open up more avenues for attack? Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Storing user ID in a cookie security precautions
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Steve Finkelstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip!] > My question to the community is -- I'd like to try something similar > to this approach for an application I'm working on. Although I'm a bit > concerned as in the event of XSS or something of that nature, what if > a userid a compromised and manipulated? Is it unlikely with George's > encryption algorithms? While I don't know what George's encryption algorithm may be, keep in mind the difference between sessions and cookies: $_SESSION: Only places a cookie on the end-user's browser with a 32-character alphanumeric hexadecimal key that corresponds with the session ID held on the server. The user's information is not stored in the cookie, and because of the hash of the PHPSESSID sent and stored in the cookie, it's very unlikely that a wannabe will be able to forge that. Someone with real knowledge may be able to do so, but in that event, if they want the data bad enough, you'll have much more to worry about than sessions and cookies. :-\ $_COOKIE: Stores the actual data, encrypted or otherwise, on the user's computer. This is where you run into the issues of XSS, session hijacking, and spoofing more frequently. > I figured it would be redundant to store the user ID in a $_SESSION as > well as I need a variable to pop the user id into for my queries. I see no reason why this would be considered redundant. I frequently store the UID in a $_SESSION for a variety of reasons, including just to check isset() to be sure the person still has a valid session active (among other methods, of course, but that's a quick way of checking). And because $_SESSION data is only written to the server, it's a bit more reliable than $_COOKIE data that is not nearly as trustworthy. > Thank you for your $.02! No problem. It's just too bad that overdrew my account. ;-P -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Plant Extracts and Our Factory
On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 11:57 -0500, Matty Sarro wrote: > This is not spam, obviously there's some sort of UNIXy recursive joke here, > we just have to find it. > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Amazing some of the brightest minds on the Internet > > communicate on these lists and yet no one can recognize an obvious > > SPAM message. ;-P It is... (S)PAM (P)HP (A)d (M)ail Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] System errno in PHP
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Michal Maras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi > > Thank you for answer, but I do not understand. > How can I use this class Errno after unsuccessful fopen? > I want to get the number, for example 13 if there is not enough permissions > to open file. > It is not problem for me that script will be no portable, it is > only for AIX. fopen() doesn't return that information. fsockopen() does, but not fopen(). RTFM: http://php.net/manual/en/function.fopen.php -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Storing user ID in a cookie security precautions
Hi folks, I just completed my first reading of Advanced PHP Programming by George Schlossnagle and was very impressed and thankful for the wealth of information with examples provided by George. With that said, there is a chapter dedicated to Authentication using client-side cookies and encrypting a user id amongst other meta data using mcrypt. My question to the community is -- I'd like to try something similar to this approach for an application I'm working on. Although I'm a bit concerned as in the event of XSS or something of that nature, what if a userid a compromised and manipulated? Is it unlikely with George's encryption algorithms? I figured it would be redundant to store the user ID in a $_SESSION as well as I need a variable to pop the user id into for my queries. Anyhow, the class is certainly a welcome addition as far as I'm concerned.. but at the same time I'm paranoid someone figuring out the encryption on a cookie, manipulating it with an arbitrary user id, and then being able to have complete authorization to another users data. Thank you for your $.02! /sf -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Session destruction problem
On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Adil Drissi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I made an error i was using > unset($_SESSION["sessioname"]) instead of > unset($_SESSION). I'm sorry, but anyway, now i want to > give another detail. All the time i was testing with > opera. After testing in firefox and ie there is no > problem with the code i posted. It sounds to me as though your installation of Opera is not properly respecting the headers sent by the server to destroy the session cookies. Maybe checking Google for `opera cookie retention` or `opera session problems` would help. Looks to me as though you're certainly not the only one to find that Opera doesn't handle cookies and sessions as well as expected, or as well as Firefox/SeaMonkey and (*gasp!*) Micro$oft Internet Exploder. -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Shopping Carts
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Kista Tucker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh my gosh! [snip!] Kista, The response you got from Tedd is probably the most accurate and best advice you could get on this subject. DO NOT, by any means, attempt to write your own cart. It's reinventing the wheel, and if you don't have the experience in PHP/MySQL/security/eCommerce/data retention/inventory tracking/module development/API controls/SDK development/et cetera, then you run much more of a risk of losing the client than to suggest a well-developed, resilient, well-supported, established shopping cart. For that, I think Zen Cart is a fine option, regardless of the opinions of others. And, when all else fails, remember that there is a whole community of developers out there (and here) who would be more than willing to help you with your project(s) for a fair price. If your client wants quality and reliability, just remember that he or she will get what they pay for and while the software may be free and open source, it still requires someone knowledgeable to get it all going in the right direction. Stealing from the context of Tedd's message (specifically: "Try not to be the guru here, but") arises a very well-known quote: Jack-of-all-trades: Master of none. If you do design, stick with that. Otherwise, you're effectively stating to your client that you don't respect them enough to provide the best possible service and products, and that any bare minimum will do. And with that, I hope you know that I'm by no means attempting to insult your intelligence, but only offering advice from my own experience. ;-P -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Plant Extracts and Our Factory
It's probably a Ottendorf cipher http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Cipher On Feb 25, 2008, at 11:57 AM, Matty Sarro wrote: This is not spam, obviously there's some sort of UNIXy recursive joke here, we just have to find it. On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Amazing some of the brightest minds on the Internet communicate on these lists and yet no one can recognize an obvious SPAM message. ;-P -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 3251 132nd ave Holland, MI, 49424-9337 www.raoset.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: insert text with no specific format into database table
Shawn McKenzie wrote:
> jeffry s wrote:
>> i have text file and a table created with
>>
>> create table word(
>> id int not null auto_increment primary key,
>> word varchar(50),
>> definition text
>> )
>>
>> the text contain list of words but not really in specific format
>>
>> word, some text definition
>> word, some text definition, some text definition, etc
>>
>>
>> i want to read the file line by line,
>> take the first word before comma (,) and insert into the word column in the
>> database
>> whatever after follow the first comma(,) will be inserted into the
>> definition column in the word table database.
>>
>> i am not sure how to read the file line by line in php.
>> and how to separate the line of text into two. divided by the 1st comma (,)
>> ..
>> my idea is using the explode(',' $text) function. but this one will separate
>> everything between a comma(,) into an array.
>> i wan't to know if there is another better way to do it..
>>
>>
>> any idea?
>> thank you!
>>
>
> Read about the file() function and also read about the explode()
> function's limit parameter.
>
> -Shawn
>
>
> if(($lines = file("file.txt"))) {
> foreach($lines as $line) {
> list($word, $definition) = explode($line, ',', 1);
> //insert word and definition SQL stuff here
> }
> }
Maybe I should read up on the limit parameter also :-0
list($word, $definition) = explode($line, ',', 2);
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Re: [PHP] Re: When to use design patterns?
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Eric Butera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not going to even say anything. :) > > Since we're declaring our love for specifics, I really like the > observer pattern lately for adding a way to add features without > touching the core. > ahh yes, observer is key; i cant believe i forgot it! -nathan
[PHP] Re: insert text with no specific format into database table
jeffry s wrote:
> i have text file and a table created with
>
> create table word(
> id int not null auto_increment primary key,
> word varchar(50),
> definition text
> )
>
> the text contain list of words but not really in specific format
>
> word, some text definition
> word, some text definition, some text definition, etc
>
>
> i want to read the file line by line,
> take the first word before comma (,) and insert into the word column in the
> database
> whatever after follow the first comma(,) will be inserted into the
> definition column in the word table database.
>
> i am not sure how to read the file line by line in php.
> and how to separate the line of text into two. divided by the 1st comma (,)
> ..
> my idea is using the explode(',' $text) function. but this one will separate
> everything between a comma(,) into an array.
> i wan't to know if there is another better way to do it..
>
>
> any idea?
> thank you!
>
Read about the file() function and also read about the explode()
function's limit parameter.
-Shawn
if(($lines = file("file.txt"))) {
foreach($lines as $line) {
list($word, $definition) = explode($line, ',', 1);
//insert word and definition SQL stuff here
}
}
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Re: [PHP] Re: When to use design patterns?
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Nathan Nobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > My favourite patterns are the following: > > > >factory > >singleton > >adaptor > > i dont know about any favorites at this time but as far as common, > id say > > strategy > adapter > template method (often used in conjunction w/ factory) > > singleton too (watch out for eric; hes a registry guy ;)) (and this is the > top > 3 from my exp list so had to stuff singleton by the wayside :)) > > the heads first book is key ;) > and also, you might check out phppatterns.com; though it hasnt been > updated in a while id consider it somewhat of a classic source on patterns > w/ php as the example language. > > -nathan > > I'm not going to even say anything. :) Since we're declaring our love for specifics, I really like the observer pattern lately for adding a way to add features without touching the core. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Set PHP session expire to 2 months
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Manuel Barros Reyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The question is asked only in the index.php and the answer is stored > in $_SESSION["pais"]. If the user tries to enter the site once again > and the session variable is still set the question is not asked again > as it is supposed to happen. The session data is configured to last > for aprox. 2 months and it works in the browsers I've tried it but > still I receive reports of users who are constantly being asked for > their countries they also told me they don't have cookies blocked. They may not have the cookies blocked, but they may have some kind of security software or browser settings that are overriding that. One of the first places to check is to see what OS and browser combination those whom are experiencing problems are using. I'd be willing to bet the OS is Windows (possibly with McAfee, Norton, or a Microsoft product running), or that they (or someone else in their household) are cleaning cookies frequently to either (a) keep the computer "running fast" or (b) hide their tracks with other websites. -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RES: [PHP] Re: Plant Extracts and Our Factory
YOu could try reading only the even lines, maybe ther's something... -Mensagem original- De: Matty Sarro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviada em: segunda-feira, 25 de fevereiro de 2008 13:58 Para: Daniel Brown Cc: Wolf; [EMAIL PROTECTED] php. net; Shawn McKenzie Assunto: Re: [PHP] Re: Plant Extracts and Our Factory This is not spam, obviously there's some sort of UNIXy recursive joke here, we just have to find it. On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Amazing some of the brightest minds on the Internet communicate > on these lists and yet no one can recognize an obvious SPAM > message. ;-P > > -- > > > Daniel P. Brown > Senior Unix Geek > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: > http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RES: [PHP] Set PHP session expire to 2 months
Perhaps the user doesn't have cookies disabled but often clean them? Another software could be doing that. -Mensagem original- De: Manuel Barros Reyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviada em: segunda-feira, 25 de fevereiro de 2008 13:55 Para: php-general@lists.php.net Assunto: [PHP] Set PHP session expire to 2 months Hi, I'm working on a site that needs that once the user chooses his country the question should not be asked again (while the user doesn't manually delete the cookies in his browser). The question is asked only in the index.php and the answer is stored in $_SESSION["pais"]. If the user tries to enter the site once again and the session variable is still set the question is not asked again as it is supposed to happen. The session data is configured to last for aprox. 2 months and it works in the browsers I've tried it but still I receive reports of users who are constantly being asked for their countries they also told me they don't have cookies blocked. Below I paste the code I am using inside index.php to test if the session is set: Can someone see something wrong with this? Inside home.php I do the opposite if the session var. is not set the redirect to index.php. Thanks in advance. Manuel -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHPTriad and php error
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 1:53 PM, hE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi to all, > I set up phptriad on my computer running windows xp. When I tried to > test php with the following program I got an error "Parse error: parse > error, expecting `','' or `';'' in C:\apache\htdocs\mytest.php on line 10" This is line 10: > echo "This is a PHP line"; Note the quotes you're using instead of any kind of fancy quotes, just use double quotes (which will allow you to translate $variables and special characters like \n) or single quotes (which use the literal form: $variable is not translated, but would echo as $variable and \n would not echo a newline, but rather the literal \n). -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Plant Extracts and Our Factory
This is not spam, obviously there's some sort of UNIXy recursive joke here, we just have to find it. On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Amazing some of the brightest minds on the Internet > communicate on these lists and yet no one can recognize an obvious > SPAM message. ;-P > > -- > > > Daniel P. Brown > Senior Unix Geek > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >
[PHP] Set PHP session expire to 2 months
Hi, I'm working on a site that needs that once the user chooses his country the question should not be asked again (while the user doesn't manually delete the cookies in his browser). The question is asked only in the index.php and the answer is stored in $_SESSION["pais"]. If the user tries to enter the site once again and the session variable is still set the question is not asked again as it is supposed to happen. The session data is configured to last for aprox. 2 months and it works in the browsers I've tried it but still I receive reports of users who are constantly being asked for their countries they also told me they don't have cookies blocked. Below I paste the code I am using inside index.php to test if the session is set: Can someone see something wrong with this? Inside home.php I do the opposite if the session var. is not set the redirect to index.php. Thanks in advance. Manuel -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP 24 hour processes?
Nathan Rixham wrote: Daniel Brown wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 1:39 AM, Zoran Bogdanov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, How can you perform a timed event in PHP; for example: Count 24 hours and then delete all rows in a database... Once again, I say verily unto you: RTFM and STFW. Linux/*nix: cron Windows: at Cron Example: 40 03 * * * `which php` /path/to/php/script.php PHP: of negate php all together and use cron to schedule: mysql -h hostname -u username -ppassword -e "TRUNCATE TABLE `table_name`" clean forgot, if your on mysql 5.1.6> then you can use the "create event" syntax http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/event-feature.html no need for cron or php and platform independant :) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] URL modification
Daniel Brown wrote:
On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 6:27 AM, Richard Heyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You could also forego the bit if you're willing to accept URLs
like this:
/rental.php/property/23425
I was waiting to see if anyone made mention of that while reading
through the thread. I think this is a highly underused built-in
feature. PHP is already, out-of-the-box, ready for
search-engine-friendly URLs.
It may be a good time to throw in this .htaccess which just palms
eveything [not found] off to php
[.htaccess]
RewriteEngine On
RewriteBase /
DirectoryIndex handle.urls.php
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d
RewriteRule . /handle.urls.php [L]
[/.htaccess]
I use this for everything nowadays, in terms of security it also allows
me to keep every script out of the web root; and joy of joys don't need
to change any rules for static files, as they will always be "found" and
thus the rules won't apply:
follow?
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Re: [PHP] mysql test and error
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 5:00 PM, hE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The following program gave the error:
>
> "Parse error: parse error in C:\apache\htdocs\mysqltest.php on line 10"
Look at this part of the code:
$result = mysql_query($sql);
if ($result == 0)
echo 'Error ' . mysql_errno() . ': '. mysql_error() . '';
else
{
The error message gave you the answer. You don't have the proper
curly brackets for your if/else statements. Replace the above with
this:
$result = mysql_query($sql);
if ($result == 0) {
echo 'Error ' . mysql_errno() . ': '. mysql_error() . '';
} else {
>
>
>
>
> Test MySQL
>
>
>
> $host="localhost";
> $user="root";
> $password="";
> mysql_connect($host,$user,$password);
> $sql="show status";
> $result = mysql_query($sql);
>
> if ($result == 0)
> echo 'Error ' . mysql_errno() . ': '. mysql_error() . '';
> else
> {
> ?>
>
>
> Variable_nameValue
>
>
> for ($i = 0; $i < mysql_num_rows($result); $i++) {
> echo '';
> $row_array = mysql_fetch_row($result);
> for ($j = 0; $j < mysql_num_fields($result); $j++)
> {
> echo ''. $row_array[$j] . '';
> }
> echo '';
> }
> ?>
>
>
>
> what is the reason?
>
>
>
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RE: [PHP] URL modification
> -Original Message- > From: Daniel Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:37 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] URL modification > > On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 6:27 AM, Richard Heyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > You could also forego the bit if you're willing to accept URLs > > like this: > > > > /rental.php/property/23425 > > I was waiting to see if anyone made mention of that while reading > through the thread. I think this is a highly underused built-in > feature. PHP is already, out-of-the-box, ready for > search-engine-friendly URLs. > > -- > > > Daniel P. Brown > Senior Unix Geek > Yeap, PHP rocks! I mentioned it in the first reply, only that it was not rental.php, but index.php. Many if not all MVC frameworks support this kind of routing which doesn't require mod_rewrite. However, I prefer mod_rewrite if it's available, for crawlers it is not the same /index.php/my-keywrod than /my-keyword alone. But I must admit that there are a hundred other factors that can have much more weight for generating SEO problems than having index.php everywhere. Regards, Rob Andrés Robinet | Lead Developer | BESTPLACE CORPORATION 5100 Bayview Drive 206, Royal Lauderdale Landings, Fort Lauderdale, FL 33308 | TEL 954-607-4207 | FAX 954-337-2695 | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | MSN Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | SKYPE: bestplace | Web: bestplace.biz | Web: seo-diy.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP 24 hour processes?
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Re: [PHP] Re: Plant Extracts and Our Factory
Amazing some of the brightest minds on the Internet communicate on these lists and yet no one can recognize an obvious SPAM message. ;-P -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] URL modification
On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 6:27 AM, Richard Heyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You could also forego the bit if you're willing to accept URLs > like this: > > /rental.php/property/23425 I was waiting to see if anyone made mention of that while reading through the thread. I think this is a highly underused built-in feature. PHP is already, out-of-the-box, ready for search-engine-friendly URLs. -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] RE: temprorary error
> -Original Message- > From: Nathan Rixham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:32 AM > To: php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] RE: temprorary error > > Robert Cummings wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 11:18 -0500, Daniel Brown wrote: > >> I didn't think Quakers could use computers. Or electricity. > > > > You're confusing them with Amish. > > > > Cheers, > > Rob. > > and coldfusion developers And windows users (lol) > > [ps: rob your lucky i keep saving your ass from the dreaded last post] > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] RE: temprorary error
Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 11:18 -0500, Daniel Brown wrote: I didn't think Quakers could use computers. Or electricity. You're confusing them with Amish. Cheers, Rob. and coldfusion developers [ps: rob your lucky i keep saving your ass from the dreaded last post] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] RE: temprorary error
On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 11:18 -0500, Daniel Brown wrote: > I didn't think Quakers could use computers. Or electricity. You're confusing them with Amish. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] RE: temprorary error
On Feb 25, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Daniel Brown wrote: I didn't think Quakers could use computers. Or electricity. That's Amish... Maybe Quakers too... I don't know... -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 3251 132nd ave Holland, MI, 49424 www.raoset.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] insert text with no specific format into database table
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 8:35 AM, jeffry s <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i have text file and a table created with > > create table word( > id int not null auto_increment primary key, > word varchar(50), > definition text > ) Look into the PHP function fgetcsv(). -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP 24 hour processes?
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 1:39 AM, Zoran Bogdanov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > How can you perform a timed event in PHP; for example: > > Count 24 hours and then delete all rows in a database... Once again, I say verily unto you: RTFM and STFW. Linux/*nix: cron Windows: at Cron Example: 40 03 * * * `which php` /path/to/php/script.php PHP: -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP 24 hour processes?
Bojan Tesanovic wrote: Windows also have something similar to cron Schedule accessory can also be set to execute some php every xxx minutes/days etc For linux it is much easier , create file eg cron.txt that has this content #=== * 1 * * * /home/user/cleanUpDB.php #=== save it and than enter in console crontab cron.txt this will install cron job that will execute /home/user/cleanUpDB.php script every day at 1AM . One note on executing PHP scripts by cron ,you may want to include path of PHP binary as it may not be in PATH so * 1 * * * /library/php5/bin/php /home/user/cleanUpDB.php where /library/php5/bin/php is absolute path to yours PHP binary file On Feb 25, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Paul Scott wrote: On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 07:39 +0100, Zoran Bogdanov wrote: How can you perform a timed event in PHP; for example: Count 24 hours and then delete all rows in a database... I thought that this question was answered in some detail before... Anyway, on *NIX based systems use cron.daily or on 'doze, use AT or command scheduler I think it's called. Either that or use a long running PHP process with ignore_user_abort() and a time of 86400 seconds :) --Paul All Email originating from UWC is covered by disclaimer http://www.uwc.ac.za/portal/public/portal_services/disclaimer.htm -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Kosovo je Srbija. Bojan Tesanovic http://www.classicio.com/ http://www.carster.us/ Be sure that if you install and run this script as root, that you set it so your script is only writable by root. You don't want someone inserting malicious code into your script and then just blindly running that code. :) -- Jim Lucas "Some men are born to greatness, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them." Twelfth Night, Act II, Scene V by William Shakespeare -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] RE: temprorary error
I didn't think Quakers could use computers. Or electricity. -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: When to use design patterns?
tedd wrote: At 8:50 PM -0600 2/24/08, Larry Garfield wrote: Design patterns are just that: A formalization of various common patterns that come up over and over in programming. Ever get the feeling "wow, I know I've written something kinda like this at least three times now?" That means it's probably a design pattern of some kind. Studying design patterns helps you recognize a give problem as being similar to another, so the solution is probably similar. It also can alert you to common pitfalls and common ways around them. I've read at least a couple of books on the subject and for something that's designed to make programming easier, I find it difficult to implement. I'm more like -- "I've written something like this before -- I'm going to find my code and alter it" -- type of guy. I'm sure it's my failing, but I program trees and not forest. From my perspective, you plant enough trees, the forest will take care of itself. Besides, every forest I've designed ends up a lot different than when I started. So I focus on trees -- it's simpler for me. Not to say that what you are doing is wrong, but we had a guy here in our office that was/is a cut/paste master. If he had a routine that he found that (almost) worked. He would then use that same chunk of code everywhere. But, if that same bit of code got almost the right answer, he would write a "fix" that would "get it right" this time. Then the next time he used the re-written code, he would have to write another "fix". This went on for two years. When they brought me in to take over managing his code, I re-wrote the entire lib in one weekend. I have not had to touch the base code since then, and it is "right" every time. It is much lighter and faster. The moral of my story, you keep adding floors to your sky riser, the foundation is not going to support the add structure. Build yourself a re-enforced foundation, you will never have to worry about how many floors you have to put on top of it. All you will need to do is build yourself a structure that deals with the results returned to you by your base code. The other day I gave an example of how I use code: Users::GetGroup($somegroup)->update(); And I got this response It really sucks for debugging though, because what if GetGroup($somegroup) returns a null or unexpected value? The idea is, if you wrote the code, then you force it to return to you what you want. In this case, if something went wrong in the GetGroup() static method, the I would return my normal object that has the update() method, at the same time I would create an exception and catch that upstream. Probably a little long winded on this one and maybe a little off this topic. Sorry. I think it's good to develop a methodology so that you can reuse past code, but the "design patterns' I've read about seem too abstract for me. Cheers, tedd -- Jim Lucas "Some men are born to greatness, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them." Twelfth Night, Act II, Scene V by William Shakespeare -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] RE: temprorary error
Robert Cummings schreef: On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 14:50 +, Nathan Rixham wrote: ps: I can't believe how long this thread has lasted without anyone mentioning that the subject line is misspelled. I notice it everytime a post arrives, but usually the content is juicier :) Cheers, Rob. Ps. Someone follow this up, I don't want to be the last post :B the subject line is misspelt. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: When to use design patterns?
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My favourite patterns are the following: > >factory >singleton >adaptor i dont know about any favorites at this time but as far as common, id say strategy adapter template method (often used in conjunction w/ factory) singleton too (watch out for eric; hes a registry guy ;)) (and this is the top 3 from my exp list so had to stuff singleton by the wayside :)) the heads first book is key ;) and also, you might check out phppatterns.com; though it hasnt been updated in a while id consider it somewhat of a classic source on patterns w/ php as the example language. -nathan
Re: [PHP] Re: When to use design patterns?
My favourite patterns are the following: factory singleton adaptor These also happen to be the most common I come across. Cheers, Rob. On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 10:31 -0500, Matty Sarro wrote: > I agree, that head first book is fantabulous. Very well written and easy to > read for a techie book. It makes the usage of design patterns incredibly > easy to understand. But like all things simply understanding the theory > doesn't always equal being able to practice it... that only comes with using > them. > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Eric Butera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 9:20 AM, tedd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > At 8:50 PM -0600 2/24/08, Larry Garfield wrote: > > > >Design patterns are just that: A formalization of various common > > patterns that > > > >come up over and over in programming. Ever get the feeling "wow, I > > know I've > > > >written something kinda like this at least three times now?" That > > means it's > > > >probably a design pattern of some kind. > > > > > > > >Studying design patterns helps you recognize a give problem as being > > similar > > > >to another, so the solution is probably similar. It also can alert > > you to > > > >common pitfalls and common ways around them. > > > > > > I've read at least a couple of books on the subject and for something > > > that's designed to make programming easier, I find it difficult to > > > implement. > > > > > > I'm more like -- "I've written something like this before -- I'm > > > going to find my code and alter it" -- type of guy. > > > > > > I'm sure it's my failing, but I program trees and not forest. From my > > > perspective, you plant enough trees, the forest will take care of > > > itself. Besides, every forest I've designed ends up a lot different > > > than when I started. So I focus on trees -- it's simpler for me. > > > > > > I think it's good to develop a methodology so that you can reuse past > > > code, but the "design patterns' I've read about seem too abstract for > > > me. > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > tedd > > > -- > > > --- > > > http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > > To each their own I guess. Just out of curiosity, are you primarily > > writing entire web applications or one off scripts? > > > > I used to say "you don't need all that" but over time I just can't say > > it much anymore. It seems easy to just dive in and throw something > > out the door, but then new features need to be added. One of my > > favorite programming books, Design Patterns Explained, says "Change > > happens! Deal with it." Using patterns helped me do just that with > > minimal crying because the underlying architecture could be easily > > modified. > > > > Also maybe look at Head First Design Patterns if you are interested in > > ever understanding them. Most of the books I've read say something > > along the lines of it should be obvious when to use these patterns > > when you read their book. This might be true for some/most people but > > I couldn't get my head wrapped around them till I read Head First. > > Seeing their examples with the fun writing just made things click for > > me. > > > > After reading that not only could I use them, but I started spotting > > them in peoples code. Another benefit of knowing patterns is having a > > common language for explaining solutions to problems between > > developers. Saying I'm using the decorator pattern makes much more > > sense then saying I'm wrapping this thing with another thing that > > makes it do something else so I can swap out behaviors because they > > work together, etc. > > > > ...but that is just the world I like to live in. :) > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: When to use design patterns?
I agree, that head first book is fantabulous. Very well written and easy to read for a techie book. It makes the usage of design patterns incredibly easy to understand. But like all things simply understanding the theory doesn't always equal being able to practice it... that only comes with using them. On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Eric Butera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 9:20 AM, tedd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At 8:50 PM -0600 2/24/08, Larry Garfield wrote: > > >Design patterns are just that: A formalization of various common > patterns that > > >come up over and over in programming. Ever get the feeling "wow, I > know I've > > >written something kinda like this at least three times now?" That > means it's > > >probably a design pattern of some kind. > > > > > >Studying design patterns helps you recognize a give problem as being > similar > > >to another, so the solution is probably similar. It also can alert > you to > > >common pitfalls and common ways around them. > > > > I've read at least a couple of books on the subject and for something > > that's designed to make programming easier, I find it difficult to > > implement. > > > > I'm more like -- "I've written something like this before -- I'm > > going to find my code and alter it" -- type of guy. > > > > I'm sure it's my failing, but I program trees and not forest. From my > > perspective, you plant enough trees, the forest will take care of > > itself. Besides, every forest I've designed ends up a lot different > > than when I started. So I focus on trees -- it's simpler for me. > > > > I think it's good to develop a methodology so that you can reuse past > > code, but the "design patterns' I've read about seem too abstract for > > me. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > tedd > > -- > > --- > > http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com > > > > -- > > > > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > To each their own I guess. Just out of curiosity, are you primarily > writing entire web applications or one off scripts? > > I used to say "you don't need all that" but over time I just can't say > it much anymore. It seems easy to just dive in and throw something > out the door, but then new features need to be added. One of my > favorite programming books, Design Patterns Explained, says "Change > happens! Deal with it." Using patterns helped me do just that with > minimal crying because the underlying architecture could be easily > modified. > > Also maybe look at Head First Design Patterns if you are interested in > ever understanding them. Most of the books I've read say something > along the lines of it should be obvious when to use these patterns > when you read their book. This might be true for some/most people but > I couldn't get my head wrapped around them till I read Head First. > Seeing their examples with the fun writing just made things click for > me. > > After reading that not only could I use them, but I started spotting > them in peoples code. Another benefit of knowing patterns is having a > common language for explaining solutions to problems between > developers. Saying I'm using the decorator pattern makes much more > sense then saying I'm wrapping this thing with another thing that > makes it do something else so I can swap out behaviors because they > work together, etc. > > ...but that is just the world I like to live in. :) > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >
Re: [PHP] Cross-Post: Installing on Palm Treo?
On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 4:58 AM, Larry Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Um. Palm OS Garnet (what every remotely modern Treo runs) is completely > incapable of running multiple simultaneous processes without hacking the OS > beyond recognition. It is an absolutely horrid concept for a server, if it > were even possible to port Apache, MySQL, and PHP to Palm OS (which in no way > resembles Unix, Linux, Windows, or anything even remotely Posix). I don't > know if anyone has successfully managed to port Linux to a modern Treo, but > even if they had it would be just to prove that they can, not because it > would be actually usable. > > Seriously, don't even waste time thinking about making a Palm device into a > dev server. There are some mobile devices you can do that to; this ain't one > of them. > > (Disclaimer: I currently own and use a Treo 680, and used to work as an IT > journalist reviewing, among other things, Palm handhelds and smartphones. > That was a few years ago, but I've not heard anything to suggest that > anything has even remotely changed in this regard. In fact, everything I > hear is lamenting that it hasn't. ) Thanks for the insight, Larry. Much appreciated. However, as stated, I'm using (yes, I did buy it) the Palm 700wx, which has Windows Mobile 5.0. I should've mentioned the operating system, but I figured those familiar with Palm devices would recognize the ###p and ###w/###wx letter-endings. ;-P (Just kidding I only realized it myself this morning. I've had about 0.0001% experience with Palm before this weekend.) So perhaps a better question is, has anyone had any luck doing WAMP on Windows Mobile (specifically v5.0)? -- Daniel P. Brown Senior Unix Geek -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] RE: temprorary error
On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 14:50 +, Nathan Rixham wrote: > Robert Cummings wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 09:28 -0500, tedd wrote: > >> At 8:49 AM -0500 2/25/08, Robert Cummings wrote: > >>> On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 00:56 +, Nathan Rixham wrote: > >>> > >>> > [can you resist?] > >>> > >>> No I can't resist. It would be tantamount to agreeing with you. Since I > >>> disagree with you I feel compelled to answer your direct reference to > >>> me. There are plenty of threads in which I've participated but for which > >>> I am not the last say. Obviously you aren't capable of searching > >>> properly or you have developed a bias against me for whatever reason. > >>> *shrug*. > >> A bias doesn't have to be a "bad" thing. I have a bias in that I read > >> everything you write -- your opinion has value. > >> > >> And I understand the "last word" thing for I experience I myself. But > >> age has diminished that tendency and now I pick my windmills more > >> carefully. > > > > In retrospect, I think Nathan was kidding around but forgot to add an > > emoticon :) Sometimes I feel compelled to add a comment, sometimes I > > feel compelled to get the hell out of a thread. The former just happens > > more often ;) > > > >> ps: I can't believe how long this thread has lasted without anyone > >> mentioning that the subject line is misspelled. > > > > I notice it everytime a post arrives, but usually the content is > > juicier :) > > > > Cheers, > > Rob. > > > > Ps. Someone follow this up, I don't want to be the last post :B > > > > Jesus you even posted twice more! I'm not Jesus... I can barely tread water let alone walk on it :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;) :D -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: When to use design patterns?
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 9:20 AM, tedd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 8:50 PM -0600 2/24/08, Larry Garfield wrote:
> >Design patterns are just that: A formalization of various common patterns
> that
> >come up over and over in programming. Ever get the feeling "wow, I know
> I've
> >written something kinda like this at least three times now?" That means
> it's
> >probably a design pattern of some kind.
> >
> >Studying design patterns helps you recognize a give problem as being
> similar
> >to another, so the solution is probably similar. It also can alert you
> to
> >common pitfalls and common ways around them.
>
> I've read at least a couple of books on the subject and for something
> that's designed to make programming easier, I find it difficult to
> implement.
>
> I'm more like -- "I've written something like this before -- I'm
> going to find my code and alter it" -- type of guy.
>
> I'm sure it's my failing, but I program trees and not forest. From my
> perspective, you plant enough trees, the forest will take care of
> itself. Besides, every forest I've designed ends up a lot different
> than when I started. So I focus on trees -- it's simpler for me.
>
> I think it's good to develop a methodology so that you can reuse past
> code, but the "design patterns' I've read about seem too abstract for
> me.
some of the design patterns are a bit hard to grasp; and even harder to
determine when one might be appropriate to use. i think a common
misconception about people who advocate design patterns is that said
people attempt to use them arbitrarily. while this is undoubtedly true for
some people, design patterns are like anything else; mastery comes
through practice, and practice can be prone to errors.
that said, design patterns are mainly for adding layers of indirection, to
increase flexibility for an exchange of complexity and often times runtime
performance.
and also, there are patterns that are so trivial im sure weve all used them;
even tedd ;) for example, adapter, yes this is the famous, put a square peg
in a round hole pattern, but in reality its very simple,
/// NOTE: contrived example for demonstration only
function origFunction($p1, $p2, $p3) {}
function newFunction($p1, $p2) {
// pass the same thing for $p3 always for the new 'api'
return origFunction($p1, $p2, true);
}
another thing you will encounter studying patterns is subtle differences.
the non-patterns guys will call newFunction above, a 'wrapper'; and while
it is indeed that, 'wrapper' is a generic term. patterns have several types
of wrappers, adapter, decorator, proxy (and more im sure), which all have
different intents. Which brings us to one of the most important aspects of
patterns, a common vocabulary. this is an incredible tool that fosters
communication and enhanced efficiency.
take it or leave it; i think patterns are worth while.
-nathan
Re: [PHP] RE: temprorary error
Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 09:28 -0500, tedd wrote: At 8:49 AM -0500 2/25/08, Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 00:56 +, Nathan Rixham wrote: > [can you resist?] No I can't resist. It would be tantamount to agreeing with you. Since I disagree with you I feel compelled to answer your direct reference to me. There are plenty of threads in which I've participated but for which I am not the last say. Obviously you aren't capable of searching properly or you have developed a bias against me for whatever reason. *shrug*. A bias doesn't have to be a "bad" thing. I have a bias in that I read everything you write -- your opinion has value. And I understand the "last word" thing for I experience I myself. But age has diminished that tendency and now I pick my windmills more carefully. In retrospect, I think Nathan was kidding around but forgot to add an emoticon :) Sometimes I feel compelled to add a comment, sometimes I feel compelled to get the hell out of a thread. The former just happens more often ;) ps: I can't believe how long this thread has lasted without anyone mentioning that the subject line is misspelled. I notice it everytime a post arrives, but usually the content is juicier :) Cheers, Rob. Ps. Someone follow this up, I don't want to be the last post :B Jesus you even posted twice more! ;) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: When to use design patterns?
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 9:20 AM, tedd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 8:50 PM -0600 2/24/08, Larry Garfield wrote: > >Design patterns are just that: A formalization of various common patterns > that > >come up over and over in programming. Ever get the feeling "wow, I know > I've > >written something kinda like this at least three times now?" That means > it's > >probably a design pattern of some kind. > > > >Studying design patterns helps you recognize a give problem as being similar > >to another, so the solution is probably similar. It also can alert you to > >common pitfalls and common ways around them. > > I've read at least a couple of books on the subject and for something > that's designed to make programming easier, I find it difficult to > implement. > > I'm more like -- "I've written something like this before -- I'm > going to find my code and alter it" -- type of guy. > > I'm sure it's my failing, but I program trees and not forest. From my > perspective, you plant enough trees, the forest will take care of > itself. Besides, every forest I've designed ends up a lot different > than when I started. So I focus on trees -- it's simpler for me. > > I think it's good to develop a methodology so that you can reuse past > code, but the "design patterns' I've read about seem too abstract for > me. > > > Cheers, > > tedd > -- > --- > http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com > > -- > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > To each their own I guess. Just out of curiosity, are you primarily writing entire web applications or one off scripts? I used to say "you don't need all that" but over time I just can't say it much anymore. It seems easy to just dive in and throw something out the door, but then new features need to be added. One of my favorite programming books, Design Patterns Explained, says "Change happens! Deal with it." Using patterns helped me do just that with minimal crying because the underlying architecture could be easily modified. Also maybe look at Head First Design Patterns if you are interested in ever understanding them. Most of the books I've read say something along the lines of it should be obvious when to use these patterns when you read their book. This might be true for some/most people but I couldn't get my head wrapped around them till I read Head First. Seeing their examples with the fun writing just made things click for me. After reading that not only could I use them, but I started spotting them in peoples code. Another benefit of knowing patterns is having a common language for explaining solutions to problems between developers. Saying I'm using the decorator pattern makes much more sense then saying I'm wrapping this thing with another thing that makes it do something else so I can swap out behaviors because they work together, etc. ...but that is just the world I like to live in. :) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
