Re: [PHP] PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function ()

[Stuart Dallas]

On 7 Oct 2013, at 14:34, Michael Alaimo  wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Stuart Dallas  wrote:
>> On 7 Oct 2013, at 14:24, Michael Alaimo  wrote:
>> 
>> > We have a server that gets a large number of requests each month.
>> >
>> > After a period of time I began to see this error in our error logs this
>> > weekend.
>> >
>> > PHP Fatal error:  Call to undefined function ()
>> >
>> > It does not reference a function, so I found it odd.  It did give a line to
>> > a function with array_merge on it.
>> >
>> > Has anyone seen this in the apache error logs?  We are using PHP 5.3.3.
>> 
>> Show us the line, and a few lines around it.
> public static function getInfo($params = array())
> {
> $results = array();
> 
> $url = 'http://google.com';
> 
> 
>  $props = array
> (
>'key'=> Yii::app()->params['param1'],
> 's'=> Yii::app()->params['param2']
> );
> 
> if (!empty($params))
> {
> $props = array_merge($props, $params);
> 
> $url = $url . http_build_query($props, '', '/');
> 
> 
> It may be possible that params has unsafe data in it.  The previous dev did 
> not validate the data passed in via get.
> 
> The code populating params looks like:
> 
> $params = array
> (
> 'd' => $_GET['d'],
> );
> 
> $job = Job::getInfo($params);

My best guess is that either $props or $params contain a function reference or 
similar construct. Examine their contents with var_dump.

As a check you could expand out the effect of array_merge and see if you still 
get the same with a PHP implementation.

-Stuart

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Re: [PHP] PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function ()

[Michael Alaimo]

public static function getInfo($params = array())
{
$results = array();

$url = 'http://google.com';


 $props = array
(
   'key'=> Yii::app()->params['param1'],
's'=> Yii::app()->params['param2']
);

if (!empty($params))
{
$props = array_merge($props, $params);

$url = $url . http_build_query($props, '', '/');


It may be possible that params has unsafe data in it.  The previous dev did
not validate the data passed in via get.

The code populating params looks like:

$params = array
(
'd' => $_GET['d'],
);

$job = Job::getInfo($params);



On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Stuart Dallas  wrote:

> On 7 Oct 2013, at 14:24, Michael Alaimo  wrote:
>
> > We have a server that gets a large number of requests each month.
> >
> > After a period of time I began to see this error in our error logs this
> > weekend.
> >
> > PHP Fatal error:  Call to undefined function ()
> >
> > It does not reference a function, so I found it odd.  It did give a line
> to
> > a function with array_merge on it.
> >
> > Has anyone seen this in the apache error logs?  We are using PHP 5.3.3.
>
> Show us the line, and a few lines around it.
>
> -Stuart
>
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> http://3ft9.com/
>

Re: [PHP] PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function ()

[Stuart Dallas]

On 7 Oct 2013, at 14:24, Michael Alaimo  wrote:

> We have a server that gets a large number of requests each month.
> 
> After a period of time I began to see this error in our error logs this
> weekend.
> 
> PHP Fatal error:  Call to undefined function ()
> 
> It does not reference a function, so I found it odd.  It did give a line to
> a function with array_merge on it.
> 
> Has anyone seen this in the apache error logs?  We are using PHP 5.3.3.

Show us the line, and a few lines around it.

-Stuart

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[PHP] PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function ()

[Michael Alaimo]

We have a server that gets a large number of requests each month.

After a period of time I began to see this error in our error logs this
weekend.

PHP Fatal error:  Call to undefined function ()

It does not reference a function, so I found it odd.  It did give a line to
a function with array_merge on it.

Has anyone seen this in the apache error logs?  We are using PHP 5.3.3.

Mike

Re: [PHP] PHP and curl

[Shawn McKenzie]

Unfortunately this isn't anything to do with PHP.  I don't have any info on
the app, what it's supposed to return or what the parameter passed should
be.  The PHP soap call is working, but the app isn't returning what you
want or expect I guess.


On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Alf Stockton  wrote:

>  Shawn, that was silly of me. I have now removed the echo but I still do
> not get the expected result from the server.
> var_dump of $result returns:-
>
> object(stdClass)#2 (1) {
>   ["GetSequenceNoResult"]=>
>   object(stdClass)#3 (6) {
> ["iServerNo"]=>
> int(0)
> ["iClientNo"]=>
> int(0)
> ["bNoLimitDownload"]=>
> bool(false)
> ["dtStartDate"]=>
> string(19) "0001-01-01T00:00:00"
> ["dtEndDate"]=>
> string(19) "0001-01-01T00:00:00"
> ["dtServerTime"]=>
> string(19) "0001-01-01T00:00:00"
>   }
> }
>
> whereas the expected result is to have each of those fields containing
> data.
> My code now looks like
>
>  $strTerminalname = "CIS";
> $version = "1.2";
> $client = new SoapClient(
> "http://192.168.0.10/CISWebService/Mediamanager.asmx?WSDL";<http://192.168.0.10/CISWebService/Mediamanager.asmx?WSDL>
> );
> $result = $client->GetSequenceNo($strTerminalname);
> print_r($result);
> var_dump($result);
> ?>
>
>
> On 25/09/13 17:23, Shawn McKenzie wrote:
>
> $result = $client->GetSequenceNo( "CIS" ); shouldn't be throwing that
> error.  Maybe you are trying to do something with $result afterwards?  Try
> var_dump($result);
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Alf Stockton  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 25/09/13 16:52, Shawn McKenzie wrote:
>>
>> $client->GetSequenceNo( $parameters );
>>
>> That unfortunately returns
>>
>> alf@alf-ThinkPad-T500:~/Development/PHP/DevIt$ php
>> php-soap-web-service.php > test.txt
>> PHP Catchable fatal error:  Object of class stdClass could not be
>> converted to string in
>> /home/alf/Development/PHP/DevIt/php-soap-web-service.php on line 7
>>
>> No matter if I use
>> $result = $client->GetSequenceNo( "CIS" );
>> or
>> $result = $client->GetSequenceNo($strTerminalname);
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alf Stockton  www.stockton.co.za
>>
>>
>
>
>  --
>  --
> Thanks!
> -Shawn
> --
>
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Alf Stockton  www.stockton.co.za
>
>


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Re: [PHP] php fopen https error

[Shawn McKenzie]

I thought I covered that.  The bug was fixed 7 years ago.  Upgrade PHP, I
doubt there is a patch.  I understand that not all coders or distributions
will have the latest version of PHP, but come on, how many thousands of
bugs have been fixed in 7 years?  You're going to run into more.
 Alternatively you could try and suppress it.  From the bug it sounded like
it was only the warning that was the bug, so the code should work.  I can't
test because my PHP on CentOS is only 3 years old (5.3.3).

 $contents = @stream_get_contents($handle);




On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Markus Falb  wrote:

> On 25.9.2013 17:12, Shawn McKenzie wrote:
> > Just as I thought:
> >
> > 5.2.0
> > Fixed bug #39039 SSL: fatal protocol error when fetching HTTPS from
> servers
> > running Google web server). (Ilia)
>
> Thanks, but ...
> I am not sure how what I am supposed to do with this information.
>
> #39039 says it is a bug and it was fixed.
> How do I proceed to understand this bug?
> Where can I find the appropiate patch?
> Where is this bug discussed?
>
> I am sorry if I strain it (too much?) but the link to this bug does not
> give a solution to the problem and it does not help to understand the
> problem.
>
> I understand that somewhere in cvs there is the solution, but I can not
> see an obvious way to get it from the information in #39039
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Re: [PHP] php fopen https error

[Markus Falb]

On 25.9.2013 17:03, Shawn McKenzie wrote:
> I believe this was a bug, is only a warning that may be suppressed and may
> have been fixed in 5.2.0.  Are you aware that PHP is at 5.5.4 and that
> 5.1.6 is over 7 years old?

Please understand that some Distributions do the "only backport security
stuff" thing, e.g. RedHat is supporting for 10 years nowadays.
I do not complain, I just try to understand the issue.

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Re: [PHP] php fopen https error

[Markus Falb]

On 25.9.2013 17:12, Shawn McKenzie wrote:
> Just as I thought:
> 
> 5.2.0
> Fixed bug #39039 SSL: fatal protocol error when fetching HTTPS from servers
> running Google web server). (Ilia)

Thanks, but ...
I am not sure how what I am supposed to do with this information.

#39039 says it is a bug and it was fixed.
How do I proceed to understand this bug?
Where can I find the appropiate patch?
Where is this bug discussed?

I am sorry if I strain it (too much?) but the link to this bug does not
give a solution to the problem and it does not help to understand the
problem.

I understand that somewhere in cvs there is the solution, but I can not
see an obvious way to get it from the information in #39039
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Re: [PHP] PHP and curl

[Shawn McKenzie]

Keep on list.

$result = $client->GetSequenceNo( "CIS" ); shouldn't be throwing that
error.  Maybe you are trying to do something with $result afterwards?  Try
var_dump($result);


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Alf Stockton  wrote:

>
> On 25/09/13 16:52, Shawn McKenzie wrote:
>
> $client->GetSequenceNo( $parameters );
>
> That unfortunately returns
>
> alf@alf-ThinkPad-T500:~/Development/PHP/DevIt$ php
> php-soap-web-service.php > test.txt
> PHP Catchable fatal error:  Object of class stdClass could not be
> converted to string in
> /home/alf/Development/PHP/DevIt/php-soap-web-service.php on line 7
>
> No matter if I use
> $result = $client->GetSequenceNo( "CIS" );
> or
> $result = $client->GetSequenceNo($strTerminalname);
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Alf Stockton  www.stockton.co.za
>
>


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Re: [PHP] php fopen https error

[Shawn McKenzie]

Just as I thought:

5.2.0
Fixed bug #39039 SSL: fatal protocol error when fetching HTTPS from servers
running Google web server). (Ilia)


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Shawn McKenzie
wrote:

> I believe this was a bug, is only a warning that may be suppressed and may
> have been fixed in 5.2.0.  Are you aware that PHP is at 5.5.4 and that
> 5.1.6 is over 7 years old?
>
> -Shawn
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Markus Falb  wrote:
>
>> With RHEL/CentOS 5 php I get an SSL Error
>> RHEL/CentOS 5 php is at 5.1.6 with security fixes backported.
>>
>> >  $handle = fopen("https://maps.google.com";, "r");
>>  $contents = stream_get_contents($handle);
>>  fclose($handle);
>> ?>
>>
>> will result in something like
>>
>> Warning: stream_get_contents(): SSL: fatal protocol error in bla.php on
>> line 3
>>
>> Some https pages do not raise this error, e.g. https://www.redhat.com is
>> fine
>> What is wrong? How to debug? How to resolve? How to mitigate?
>>
>> Thanks
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>

Re: [PHP] php fopen https error

[Shawn McKenzie]

I believe this was a bug, is only a warning that may be suppressed and may
have been fixed in 5.2.0.  Are you aware that PHP is at 5.5.4 and that
5.1.6 is over 7 years old?

-Shawn


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Markus Falb  wrote:

> With RHEL/CentOS 5 php I get an SSL Error
> RHEL/CentOS 5 php is at 5.1.6 with security fixes backported.
>
>   $handle = fopen("https://maps.google.com";, "r");
>  $contents = stream_get_contents($handle);
>  fclose($handle);
> ?>
>
> will result in something like
>
> Warning: stream_get_contents(): SSL: fatal protocol error in bla.php on
> line 3
>
> Some https pages do not raise this error, e.g. https://www.redhat.com is
> fine
> What is wrong? How to debug? How to resolve? How to mitigate?
>
> Thanks
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Re: [PHP] PHP and curl

[Shawn McKenzie]

SOAP functions can be called as methods of the SoapClient object.  Maybe:

$client->GetSequenceNo( $parameters );

-Shawn


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Alf Stockton  wrote:

> In an attempt to interface with a webservice on a Windows 7 server I have
> started writing the following:-
> [code]
>  $strTerminalname = "CIS";
> $version = "1.2";
> $client = new SoapClient("http://192.168.0.**
> 10/CISWebService/Mediamanager.**asmx?WSDL<http://192.168.0.10/CISWebService/Mediamanager.asmx?WSDL>
> ");
> var_dump($client->__**getFunctions());
> $result = 
> $client->__doRequest("**GetSequenceNo",$**strTerminalname,$version,
> $one_way = 0);
> ?>
> [/code]
> and I execute it via
> php php-soap-web-service.php > test.txt
> on my Ubuntu 13.04 laptop using php version Zend Engine v2.4.0
> in return I get
> array(20) {
>   [0]=>
>   string(59) "GetMediaListResponse GetMediaList(GetMediaList $parameters)"
>   [1]=>
>   string(68) "GetMediaListAllResponse GetMediaListAll(**GetMediaListAll
> $parameters)"
>   [2]=>
>   string(59) "GetSoundListResponse GetSoundList(GetSoundList $parameters)"
>   [3]=>
>   string(77) "GetTerminalDataXMLResponse 
> GetTerminalDataXML(**GetTerminalDataXML
> $parameters)"
>   [4]=>
>   string(59) "GetRouterXmlResponse GetRouterXml(GetRouterXml $parameters)"
>   [5]=>
>   string(80) "GetTerminalSoundXMLResponse 
> GetTerminalSoundXML(**GetTerminalSoundXML
> $parameters)"
>   [6]=>
>   string(62) "SetSequenceNoResponse SetSequenceNo(SetSequenceNo
> $parameters)"
>   [7]=>
>   string(50) "GetConfigResponse GetConfig(GetConfig $parameters)"
>   [8]=>
>   string(62) "GetSequenceNoResponse GetSequenceNo(GetSequenceNo
> $parameters)"
>   [9]=>
>   string(95) "**UpdateClientMediaLogTimeRespon**se
> UpdateClientMediaLogTime(**UpdateClientMediaLogTime $parameters)"
>   [10]=>
>   string(59) "GetMediaListResponse GetMediaList(GetMediaList $parameters)"
>   [11]=>
>   string(68) "GetMediaListAllResponse GetMediaListAll(**GetMediaListAll
> $parameters)"
>   [12]=>
>   string(59) "GetSoundListResponse GetSoundList(GetSoundList $parameters)"
>   [13]=>
>   string(77) "GetTerminalDataXMLResponse 
> GetTerminalDataXML(**GetTerminalDataXML
> $parameters)"
>   [14]=>
>   string(59) "GetRouterXmlResponse GetRouterXml(GetRouterXml $parameters)"
>   [15]=>
>   string(80) "GetTerminalSoundXMLResponse 
> GetTerminalSoundXML(**GetTerminalSoundXML
> $parameters)"
>   [16]=>
>   string(62) "SetSequenceNoResponse SetSequenceNo(SetSequenceNo
> $parameters)"
>   [17]=>
>   string(50) "GetConfigResponse GetConfig(GetConfig $parameters)"
>   [18]=>
>   string(62) "GetSequenceNoResponse GetSequenceNo(GetSequenceNo
> $parameters)"
>   [19]=>
>   string(95) "**UpdateClientMediaLogTimeRespon**se
> UpdateClientMediaLogTime(**UpdateClientMediaLogTime $parameters)"
> }
>
> now this is all great but my question is how do I call each of these
> functions with parameters.
> The call I immediately need to make is to GetSequenceNo() which requires a
> parameter of "CIS" in my current configuration.
> How do I do this ? Obviously $client->__doRequest is not the way to go.
>
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[PHP] PHP and curl

[Alf Stockton]

In an attempt to interface with a webservice on a Windows 7 server I 
have started writing the following:-

[code]
$client = new 
SoapClient("http://192.168.0.10/CISWebService/Mediamanager.asmx?WSDL";);

var_dump($client->__getFunctions());
$result = 
$client->__doRequest("GetSequenceNo",$strTerminalname,$version, $one_way 
= 0);

?>
[/code]
and I execute it via
php php-soap-web-service.php > test.txt
on my Ubuntu 13.04 laptop using php version Zend Engine v2.4.0
in return I get
array(20) {
  [0]=>
  string(59) "GetMediaListResponse GetMediaList(GetMediaList $parameters)"
  [1]=>
  string(68) "GetMediaListAllResponse GetMediaListAll(GetMediaListAll 
$parameters)"

  [2]=>
  string(59) "GetSoundListResponse GetSoundList(GetSoundList $parameters)"
  [3]=>
  string(77) "GetTerminalDataXMLResponse 
GetTerminalDataXML(GetTerminalDataXML $parameters)"

  [4]=>
  string(59) "GetRouterXmlResponse GetRouterXml(GetRouterXml $parameters)"
  [5]=>
  string(80) "GetTerminalSoundXMLResponse 
GetTerminalSoundXML(GetTerminalSoundXML $parameters)"

  [6]=>
  string(62) "SetSequenceNoResponse SetSequenceNo(SetSequenceNo 
$parameters)"

  [7]=>
  string(50) "GetConfigResponse GetConfig(GetConfig $parameters)"
  [8]=>
  string(62) "GetSequenceNoResponse GetSequenceNo(GetSequenceNo 
$parameters)"

  [9]=>
  string(95) "UpdateClientMediaLogTimeResponse 
UpdateClientMediaLogTime(UpdateClientMediaLogTime $parameters)"

  [10]=>
  string(59) "GetMediaListResponse GetMediaList(GetMediaList $parameters)"
  [11]=>
  string(68) "GetMediaListAllResponse GetMediaListAll(GetMediaListAll 
$parameters)"

  [12]=>
  string(59) "GetSoundListResponse GetSoundList(GetSoundList $parameters)"
  [13]=>
  string(77) "GetTerminalDataXMLResponse 
GetTerminalDataXML(GetTerminalDataXML $parameters)"

  [14]=>
  string(59) "GetRouterXmlResponse GetRouterXml(GetRouterXml $parameters)"
  [15]=>
  string(80) "GetTerminalSoundXMLResponse 
GetTerminalSoundXML(GetTerminalSoundXML $parameters)"

  [16]=>
  string(62) "SetSequenceNoResponse SetSequenceNo(SetSequenceNo 
$parameters)"

  [17]=>
  string(50) "GetConfigResponse GetConfig(GetConfig $parameters)"
  [18]=>
  string(62) "GetSequenceNoResponse GetSequenceNo(GetSequenceNo 
$parameters)"

  [19]=>
  string(95) "UpdateClientMediaLogTimeResponse 
UpdateClientMediaLogTime(UpdateClientMediaLogTime $parameters)"

}

now this is all great but my question is how do I call each of these 
functions with parameters.
The call I immediately need to make is to GetSequenceNo() which requires 
a parameter of "CIS" in my current configuration.

How do I do this ? Obviously $client->__doRequest is not the way to go.

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[PHP] php fopen https error

[Markus Falb]

With RHEL/CentOS 5 php I get an SSL Error
RHEL/CentOS 5 php is at 5.1.6 with security fixes backported.

https://maps.google.com";, "r");
 $contents = stream_get_contents($handle);
 fclose($handle);
?>

will result in something like

Warning: stream_get_contents(): SSL: fatal protocol error in bla.php on
line 3

Some https pages do not raise this error, e.g. https://www.redhat.com is
fine
What is wrong? How to debug? How to resolve? How to mitigate?

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[PHP] PHP 5.4.20 released!

[Stas Malyshev]

Hello!

The PHP development team announces the immediate availability of PHP
5.4.20. About 30 bugs were fixed. All users of PHP 5.4 are encouraged to
upgrade to this release.

For source downloads of PHP 5.4.20 please visit our
downloads page: http://www.php.net/downloads.php

Windows binaries can be found on windows.php.net/download/

The list of changes are recorded in the ChangeLog:
http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php#5.4.20

Stanislav Malyshev
PHP 5.4 Release Master

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[PHP] PHP 5.5.4 has been released

[Julien Pauli]

Hi!

The PHP development team announces the immediate availability of PHP 5.5.4.
This release fixes several bugs against PHP 5.5.3.

All PHP users are encouraged to upgrade to this new version.

For source downloads of PHP 5.5.4 please visit our
downloads page:

http://www.php.net/downloads.php

Windows binaries can be found on:

http://windows.php.net/download/

The list of changes is recorded in the ChangeLog at:

http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php#5.5.4

We would like to thank the contributors and the PHP community for making
this release available.

Regards,

Julien Pauli & David Soria Parra

Re: [PHP] PHP Dependency Injector

[ma...@behnke.biz]

Hey Juan,

before sharing your work, you should spend some time on class and method
documentation and putting stuff into the readme ;)
This can be very helpful for others.

Regards,
Marco

> Juan Sebastian Scatularo  hat am 5. September
> 2013 um 22:30 geschrieben:
>
>
> Sorry guys if disturbed.
>
>
> 2013/9/5 Bastien Koert 
>
> > Jee, that should have been a friday comment..."how does your dic standout"
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Sorin Badea wrote:
> >
> >> There are few tutorials about home made dic. How does your dic stand out
> >> from the crowd ?
> >>
> >> Regards.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Juan Sebastian Scatularo <
> >> sebastianscatul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hello people, I want to share with you a simple and small Dependency
> >> > Injector made for me.
> >> >
> >> > https://github.com/abloos/Sofia
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Facebook: www.facebook.com/JuanSebastianScatularo
> >> > Twitter: www.twitter.com/js_scatularo
> >> > Web: www.sebastianscatularo.com.ar
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sorin Badea - Software Engineer
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bastien
> >
> > Cat, the other other white meat
> >
>
>
>
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Re: [PHP] PHP CLI setting cooked terminal mode

[Stuart Dallas]

On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:37, Alain Williams  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I am running a PHP script at the command line and piping the output through 
> less:
> 
>./myScript | less
> 
> Since less is an interactive program it puts the terminal into 'raw' mode so
> that it can read characters one at a time. However, when I do the above I find
> that the commands that I type to less are echoed back to me and not acted on
> until I type . This is not as it should be.
> 
> The sript is not doing anything really clever, just looking at a few files and
> printing out directory contents, time stamps, ...
> 
> If I run the script under strace I see:
> 
>ioctl(0, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE or TCGETS, {B38400 opost isig icanon echo 
> ...}) = 0
>ioctl(0, SNDCTL_TMR_STOP or TCSETSW, {B38400 opost isig icanon echo ...}) 
> = 0
> 
> 
> I can get it to not do this by connect stdout to /dev/null:
> 
>./myScript > /dev/null | less
> 
> another way of getting it to work is (and this shows that it really is PHP 
> that
> is messing the tty modes):
> 
>./myScript > /dev/null | (sleep 10;less)
> 
> However: PHP should not set the terminal to cooked mode in the first place
> 
> Is there any way in which I can get PHP to not do this ?
> 
> TIA
> 
> I am running PHP 5.3.3 on CentOS 6.

Make sure output buffering is off by putting this at the top of your script:

while(ob_end_clean());

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Re: [PHP] PHP CLI setting cooked terminal mode

[Alain Williams]

On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 05:45:45PM +0100, Stuart Dallas wrote:
> On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:37, Alain Williams  wrote:

> Make sure output buffering is off by putting this at the top of your script:
> 
> while(ob_end_clean());

Sorry, that does not fix the problem - but thanks for trying.

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[PHP] PHP CLI setting cooked terminal mode

[Alain Williams]

Hi,

I am running a PHP script at the command line and piping the output through 
less:

./myScript | less

Since less is an interactive program it puts the terminal into 'raw' mode so
that it can read characters one at a time. However, when I do the above I find
that the commands that I type to less are echoed back to me and not acted on
until I type . This is not as it should be.

The sript is not doing anything really clever, just looking at a few files and
printing out directory contents, time stamps, ...

If I run the script under strace I see:

ioctl(0, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE or TCGETS, {B38400 opost isig icanon echo 
...}) = 0
ioctl(0, SNDCTL_TMR_STOP or TCSETSW, {B38400 opost isig icanon echo ...}) = 0


I can get it to not do this by connect stdout to /dev/null:

./myScript > /dev/null | less

another way of getting it to work is (and this shows that it really is PHP that
is messing the tty modes):

./myScript > /dev/null | (sleep 10;less)

However: PHP should not set the terminal to cooked mode in the first place

Is there any way in which I can get PHP to not do this ?

TIA

I am running PHP 5.3.3 on CentOS 6.

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[PHP] PHP Dependency Injector

[Juan Sebastian Scatularo]

Hello people, I want to share with you a simple and small Dependency
Injector made for me.

https://github.com/abloos/Sofia

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Re: [PHP] PHP Dependency Injector

[Paul M Foster]

On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 04:19:18PM -0400, Bastien Koert wrote:

> Jee, that should have been a friday comment..."how does your dic standout"

Don't send emails like that to the list when I've got a mouthful of
water! It all came out my nose! ;-}

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Re: [PHP] PHP Dependency Injector

[Juan Sebastian Scatularo]

Thanks Sorin, I will do that and I will have more care the next time.

Regards


2013/9/5 Sorin Badea 

> Juan, the problem with this list is that that there are too damn many dumb
> questions. You did something nice but it doesn't stand out. You can check
> Symfony2 DiC. You can use it as a stand alone component.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Juan Sebastian Scatularo <
> sebastianscatul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry guys if disturbed.
>>
>>
>> 2013/9/5 Bastien Koert 
>>
>>> Jee, that should have been a friday comment..."how does your dic
>>> standout"
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Sorin Badea wrote:
>>>
 There are few tutorials about home made dic. How does your dic stand out
 from the crowd ?

 Regards.

 On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Juan Sebastian Scatularo <
 sebastianscatul...@gmail.com> wrote:

 > Hello people, I want to share with you a simple and small Dependency
 > Injector made for me.
 >
 > https://github.com/abloos/Sofia
 >
 > Regards
 >
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 >



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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Bastien
>>>
>>> Cat, the other other white meat
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>
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Re: [PHP] PHP Dependency Injector

[Sorin Badea]

Juan, the problem with this list is that that there are too damn many dumb
questions. You did something nice but it doesn't stand out. You can check
Symfony2 DiC. You can use it as a stand alone component.


On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Juan Sebastian Scatularo <
sebastianscatul...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry guys if disturbed.
>
>
> 2013/9/5 Bastien Koert 
>
>> Jee, that should have been a friday comment..."how does your dic standout"
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Sorin Badea wrote:
>>
>>> There are few tutorials about home made dic. How does your dic stand out
>>> from the crowd ?
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Juan Sebastian Scatularo <
>>> sebastianscatul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hello people, I want to share with you a simple and small Dependency
>>> > Injector made for me.
>>> >
>>> > https://github.com/abloos/Sofia
>>> >
>>> > Regards
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Facebook: www.facebook.com/JuanSebastianScatularo
>>> > Twitter: www.twitter.com/js_scatularo
>>> > Web: www.sebastianscatularo.com.ar
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sorin Badea - Software Engineer
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Bastien
>>
>> Cat, the other other white meat
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [PHP] PHP Dependency Injector

[Sorin Badea]

There are few tutorials about home made dic. How does your dic stand out
from the crowd ?

Regards.

On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Juan Sebastian Scatularo <
sebastianscatul...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello people, I want to share with you a simple and small Dependency
> Injector made for me.
>
> https://github.com/abloos/Sofia
>
> Regards
>
> --
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> Twitter: www.twitter.com/js_scatularo
> Web: www.sebastianscatularo.com.ar
>



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Re: [PHP] PHP Dependency Injector

[David Harkness]

On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Juan Sebastian Scatularo <
sebastianscatul...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Sorin, I will do that and I will have more care the next time.


You can also check out Pimple [1] by the creator of the Symfony Framework.

Peace,
David

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Re: [PHP] PHP Dependency Injector

[Marc Guay]

> Thanks Sorin, I will do that and I will have more care the next time.

You have no reason to apologize.  You shared a project you made by
yourself, way to go.

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Re: [PHP] PHP Dependency Injector

[Juan Sebastian Scatularo]

Sorry guys if disturbed.


2013/9/5 Bastien Koert 

> Jee, that should have been a friday comment..."how does your dic standout"
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Sorin Badea wrote:
>
>> There are few tutorials about home made dic. How does your dic stand out
>> from the crowd ?
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Juan Sebastian Scatularo <
>> sebastianscatul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello people, I want to share with you a simple and small Dependency
>> > Injector made for me.
>> >
>> > https://github.com/abloos/Sofia
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > --
>> > Facebook: www.facebook.com/JuanSebastianScatularo
>> > Twitter: www.twitter.com/js_scatularo
>> > Web: www.sebastianscatularo.com.ar
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Bastien
>
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>



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Re: [PHP] PHP Dependency Injector

[Bastien Koert]

Jee, that should have been a friday comment..."how does your dic standout"


On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Sorin Badea  wrote:

> There are few tutorials about home made dic. How does your dic stand out
> from the crowd ?
>
> Regards.
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Juan Sebastian Scatularo <
> sebastianscatul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello people, I want to share with you a simple and small Dependency
> > Injector made for me.
> >
> > https://github.com/abloos/Sofia
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > --
> > Facebook: www.facebook.com/JuanSebastianScatularo
> > Twitter: www.twitter.com/js_scatularo
> > Web: www.sebastianscatularo.com.ar
> >
>
>
>
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>



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[PHP] PHP-5.5.2 +opcache segfaults with Piwik

[Grant]

I've tried php-5.5.2 and 5.5.3 but both segfault with piwik unless the
opcache is disabled.  Someone filed a piwik bug but was told it's a
php bug:

http://dev.piwik.org/trac/ticket/4093

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[PHP] PHP 5.4.19 and PHP 5.5.3 Released!

[Stas Malyshev]

Hello!

The PHP development team announces the immediate availability of PHP
5.4.19 and PHP 5.5.3. These releases fix a bug in the patch for
CVE-2013-4248 in OpenSSL module and compile failure with ZTS enabled in
PHP 5.4, which were introduced in previously released 5.4.18 and 5.5.2.

All PHP users are encouraged to upgrade to either PHP 5.5.3 or PHP 5.4.19.

For source downloads of PHP 5.4.19 and PHP 5.5.3 please visit our
downloads page:

http://www.php.net/downloads.php

Windows binaries can be found on:

http://windows.php.net/download/

The list of changes is recorded in the ChangeLog at:

http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php

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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[PHP List]

On 8/20/2013 10:00 AM, Tedd Sperling wrote:
> Hi guys:
>
> A teacher at my college made the statement that JAVA for Web Development is 
> more popular than PHP.
>
> Where can I go to prove this right or wrong -- and/or -- what references do 
> any of you have to support your answer? (sounds like a teacher, huh?)

While I don't have any references to back it up - my guess would be that
Java may be seen as more versatile in general programming terms.  A
staggering number of enterprise level web applications are built with
Java, add to that the possibility of writing Android apps with the same
knowledge.

Of course, there are many ways to make Android apps without Java - I've
written a few myself with simple HTML and Flash Builder.

I would say that, in general, the other teacher is incorrect speaking
strictly in terms of web development.  PHP has already won that crown
many times over.  That said, when I was in University, it was difficult
to find a programming class that taught anything but Java - and that was
10yrs ago now.  I chalked it up to the education bubble not being able
to see what the rest of the world is actually doing.

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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Dan Munro]

Zmap works by being stateless, so while nmap records which requests go out,
zmap "fires and forgets", and encodes the request in such a way that the
response can provide whatever details it needs to continue the scan. No
magic here.


On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Lester Caine  wrote:

> Tedd Sperling wrote:
>
>> I'm just trying to get documentation to back up my what I think I know.
>>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Programming_languages_used_in_**
> most_popular_websitesmay
>  be a better starting point, but there are no citations to the facts,
> they are a little dated, and some sites are a little biased in their
> choices? Move to the top 40 sites and PHP fares a little better -
> http://rogchap.com/2011/09/06/**top-40-website-programming-**languages/but
>  but this data is a little dataed now.   Personally I've always used the
> W3techs figures when I'm doing talks as it is the only consistent source
> I've found. The netcraft figures would be nice but they only run this
> intermittently, and last January's figure of 244 million sites at 39% of
> machines seems a little at odds with the W3techs ones? http://w3techs.com/
> **technologies/history_overview/**programming_languagecontinues
>  to show PHP rising at the expense of ASP and Java with Perl, Ruby
> and Python having trouble to stay above 1% combined over the last year.
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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Lester Caine]

Tedd Sperling wrote:

I'm just trying to get documentation to back up my what I think I know.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_languages_used_in_most_popular_websites 
may be a better starting point, but there are no citations to the facts, they 
are a little dated, and some sites are a little biased in their choices? Move to 
the top 40 sites and PHP fares a little better - 
http://rogchap.com/2011/09/06/top-40-website-programming-languages/ but but this 
data is a little dataed now.   Personally I've always used the W3techs figures 
when I'm doing talks as it is the only consistent source I've found. The 
netcraft figures would be nice but they only run this intermittently, and last 
January's figure of 244 million sites at 39% of machines seems a little at odds 
with the W3techs ones? 
http://w3techs.com/technologies/history_overview/programming_language continues 
to show PHP rising at the expense of ASP and Java with Perl, Ruby and Python 
having trouble to stay above 1% combined over the last year.


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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Stuart Dallas]

On 20 Aug 2013, at 22:00, Ashley Sheridan  wrote:

> On Tue, 2013-08-20 at 21:44 +0100, Stuart Dallas wrote:
>> On 20 Aug 2013, at 21:30, Dan Munro > > wrote:
>> 
>> >> in my opinion, that would be like asking "how big is the internet?".
>> > 
>> > 
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/08/18/heres-what-you-find-when-you-scan-the-entire-internet-in-an-hour/
>> 
>> 
>> That's scanning IP addresses and doesn't come close to answering "how big is 
>> the internet," assuming that means how many sites are there rather than how 
>> many publicly responsive edge servers exist.
>> 
> I'd argue that a large proportion of really secure servers out there won't 
> respond to a lot of what Zmap pings out. Nmap works by throwing out requests 
> on a bunch of different ports, not just ping, which is slow, so I'd be 
> surprised if Zmap could really rival that while giving the same results. 
> Bearing in mind there are over 4,000 million (I won't say billion, because 
> that's a million million, despite what the Americans say!) IPv4 address out 
> there, 40 minutes is a ridiculous amount of time to even scan half of that, 
> especially given the fact that IPv6 is being majorly pushed because IPv4 is 
> apparently running out of free address space! Then not forgetting that lots 
> of websites exist on the same IP address/range, I would say the article is 
> lacking on so many details as to be untrue.

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's untrue, but it's certainly written with 
exaggerated implications.

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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Ashley Sheridan]

On Tue, 2013-08-20 at 21:44 +0100, Stuart Dallas wrote:

> On 20 Aug 2013, at 21:30, Dan Munro  wrote:
> 
> >> in my opinion, that would be like asking "how big is the internet?".
> > 
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/08/18/heres-what-you-find-when-you-scan-the-entire-internet-in-an-hour/
> 
> That's scanning IP addresses and doesn't come close to answering "how big is 
> the internet," assuming that means how many sites are there rather than how 
> many publicly responsive edge servers exist.
> 
> -Stuart
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I'd argue that a large proportion of really secure servers out there
won't respond to a lot of what Zmap pings out. Nmap works by throwing
out requests on a bunch of different ports, not just ping, which is
slow, so I'd be surprised if Zmap could really rival that while giving
the same results. Bearing in mind there are over 4,000 million (I won't
say billion, because that's a million million, despite what the
Americans say!) IPv4 address out there, 40 minutes is a ridiculous
amount of time to even scan half of that, especially given the fact that
IPv6 is being majorly pushed because IPv4 is apparently running out of
free address space! Then not forgetting that lots of websites exist on
the same IP address/range, I would say the article is lacking on so many
details as to be untrue.

Thanks,
Ash
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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Stuart Dallas]

On 20 Aug 2013, at 21:30, Dan Munro  wrote:

>> in my opinion, that would be like asking "how big is the internet?".
> 
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/08/18/heres-what-you-find-when-you-scan-the-entire-internet-in-an-hour/

That's scanning IP addresses and doesn't come close to answering "how big is 
the internet," assuming that means how many sites are there rather than how 
many publicly responsive edge servers exist.

-Stuart

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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Stuart Dallas]

On 20 Aug 2013, at 21:08, Sebastian Krebs  wrote:

> 2013/8/20 Steven Staples 
> 
>>> My recent question was simply an attempt to get documentation to support
>>> which server-side Web Language is the most popular. Both PHP and Java can
>>> be used server-side.
>>> 
>>> I also realize that Java is used for native Android because I also teach
>>> Mobile Application Development (MAD -- I even coined the name). So, I am
>> up
>>> to my butt in languages (and people who think different than me) -- I'm
>>> just trying to get documentation to back up my what I think I know.
>> 
>> Well, technically any language can be used server side, it is all on how
>> you
>> set up your server, no?
>> 
> 
> No. But since node.js I lack an example :D But of course you need the
> "link" between the language and the network.

The language and the '"link" between the language and the network' are two 
completely separate things. The "link," as you put it, is the web server. A web 
server doesn't need to do anything more than set up environment variables and 
run an executable, and even setting up the environment is technically optional. 
BASH can build web pages. I wouldn't recommend using BASH, but there's nothing 
technically preventing it.

Node.js is not the only way to run Javascript outside a browser, and other ways 
of doing so existed long before Node.js arrived. Most limitations people put on 
technology are artificial constructions rather than real constraints.


tedd: I wouldn't trust any stats you might find since, as has been pointed out, 
it's incredibly difficult to accurately measure.

I'd be careful with the word "popular" because it really depends on what you're 
measuring. If you're talking public websites then I'd agree that, anecdotally 
at least, PHP is more common than any other server-side language. If you're 
talking about public site visitors or page views it's definitely the most 
popular, but that's massively skewed by Facebook if you accept that their way 
of using PHP can still be called PHP. Enterprise usage of PHP is far lower, 
mainly due to Microsoft's dominance, but I get the feeling this is changing, 
albeit incredibly slowly.

If he means Java is the most popular as in "developers would prefer to use it" 
then I'd definitely disagree, but I wouldn't necessarily say that PHP is at the 
top of that list either.

Ultimately I'd want to know what he's trying to prove by saying that. If he's 
purely engaging in a "mine's bigger than yours" discussion I'd walk away, leave 
him to his petty games and actually accomplish something with the time instead.

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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Dan Munro]

> in my opinion, that would be like asking "how big is the internet?".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/08/18/heres-what-you-find-when-you-scan-the-entire-internet-in-an-hour/


On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Sebastian Krebs wrote:

> 2013/8/20 Steven Staples 
>
> > > My recent question was simply an attempt to get documentation to
> support
> > > which server-side Web Language is the most popular. Both PHP and Java
> can
> > > be used server-side.
> > >
> > > I also realize that Java is used for native Android because I also
> teach
> > > Mobile Application Development (MAD -- I even coined the name). So, I
> am
> > up
> > > to my butt in languages (and people who think different than me) -- I'm
> > > just trying to get documentation to back up my what I think I know.
> >
> > Well, technically any language can be used server side, it is all on how
> > you
> > set up your server, no?
> >
>
> No. But since node.js I lack an example :D But of course you need the
> "link" between the language and the network.
>
>
> >
> > I would tend to think that the biggest out there, is
> html/php/javascript...
> > and next to that, would be asp, and then java.   Do I have proof of this?
> > No, can I get proof, I doubt it, and are there stats on this? To be
> honest,
> > in my opinion, that would be like asking "how big is the internet?".  It
> is
> > virtually an immeasurable object.  There are so many websites out there,
> > that you can't search them all...
> >
>
> Of course you cannot search them _all_, but again the link:
> http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/programming_language/all
> There are good hints, how "the internet looks like". For example a hoster
> can simply look at the products he sell. Services like w3techs.com use the
> reports from the server themself (in most cases the headers), or the
> file-ending (doesn't work anymore that good, since most sites hide them ;))
> and extrapolate this.
> Of course they are not exact, but I think they show the direction quite
> accurate.
>
>
> >
> > PHP is simple, and yet powerful to use, and is pretty much the standard
> for
> > all hosting companies.
> >
> > Now, there is this link...
> > http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
> >
> > It shows Java as #1, and php as #5, but this is also for PROGRAMMING,
> does
> > not specify web based programming vs desktop vs MAD (thanks tedd ;) ) so
> > the
> > numbers do not really speak out in this application.
> >
>
> Also it is the Tiobe-Index. Although it is widely-referenced, the way it
> calculates their rankings is ... interesting. In fact it only tells you how
> "loud" a community around a specific language is. So for example maybe Java
> is #1, because it is so complex, that it leads to many questions in forums
> and on stackoverflow. Or PHP is "only" #5, because most communication is on
> IRC, or mailinglists. (disclaimer: Of course I faked this examples.
> Actually I have no idea how the communities around Java and PHP "as a
> whole" interacts primary, but I don't think, that they are all equal).
> I just think, that the Tiobe-Index has a completely different view on "what
> is a popular language", than I have.
>
>
> >
> > Does it really matter?   PHP is very huge, widely used, and I would even
> go
> > so far as to say the 'norm' for website developers, and hosting
> providers.
> >
>
> Nope, it doesn't matter :)
>
>
> >
> > But that is my $0.02, and for me, I have been with PHP for 7 years
> > professionally, and in college I took VB.net, ASP.net, C++, JAVA and PHP.
> > Only recently have I gotten into C# for desktop applications.
> >
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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Sebastian Krebs]

2013/8/20 Steven Staples 

> > My recent question was simply an attempt to get documentation to support
> > which server-side Web Language is the most popular. Both PHP and Java can
> > be used server-side.
> >
> > I also realize that Java is used for native Android because I also teach
> > Mobile Application Development (MAD -- I even coined the name). So, I am
> up
> > to my butt in languages (and people who think different than me) -- I'm
> > just trying to get documentation to back up my what I think I know.
>
> Well, technically any language can be used server side, it is all on how
> you
> set up your server, no?
>

No. But since node.js I lack an example :D But of course you need the
"link" between the language and the network.


>
> I would tend to think that the biggest out there, is html/php/javascript...
> and next to that, would be asp, and then java.   Do I have proof of this?
> No, can I get proof, I doubt it, and are there stats on this? To be honest,
> in my opinion, that would be like asking "how big is the internet?".  It is
> virtually an immeasurable object.  There are so many websites out there,
> that you can't search them all...
>

Of course you cannot search them _all_, but again the link:
http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/programming_language/all
There are good hints, how "the internet looks like". For example a hoster
can simply look at the products he sell. Services like w3techs.com use the
reports from the server themself (in most cases the headers), or the
file-ending (doesn't work anymore that good, since most sites hide them ;))
and extrapolate this.
Of course they are not exact, but I think they show the direction quite
accurate.


>
> PHP is simple, and yet powerful to use, and is pretty much the standard for
> all hosting companies.
>
> Now, there is this link...
> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
>
> It shows Java as #1, and php as #5, but this is also for PROGRAMMING, does
> not specify web based programming vs desktop vs MAD (thanks tedd ;) ) so
> the
> numbers do not really speak out in this application.
>

Also it is the Tiobe-Index. Although it is widely-referenced, the way it
calculates their rankings is ... interesting. In fact it only tells you how
"loud" a community around a specific language is. So for example maybe Java
is #1, because it is so complex, that it leads to many questions in forums
and on stackoverflow. Or PHP is "only" #5, because most communication is on
IRC, or mailinglists. (disclaimer: Of course I faked this examples.
Actually I have no idea how the communities around Java and PHP "as a
whole" interacts primary, but I don't think, that they are all equal).
I just think, that the Tiobe-Index has a completely different view on "what
is a popular language", than I have.


>
> Does it really matter?   PHP is very huge, widely used, and I would even go
> so far as to say the 'norm' for website developers, and hosting providers.
>

Nope, it doesn't matter :)


>
> But that is my $0.02, and for me, I have been with PHP for 7 years
> professionally, and in college I took VB.net, ASP.net, C++, JAVA and PHP.
> Only recently have I gotten into C# for desktop applications.
>
>
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RE: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Steven Staples]

> My recent question was simply an attempt to get documentation to support
> which server-side Web Language is the most popular. Both PHP and Java can
> be used server-side.
> 
> I also realize that Java is used for native Android because I also teach
> Mobile Application Development (MAD -- I even coined the name). So, I am
up
> to my butt in languages (and people who think different than me) -- I'm
> just trying to get documentation to back up my what I think I know.

Well, technically any language can be used server side, it is all on how you
set up your server, no?

I would tend to think that the biggest out there, is html/php/javascript...
and next to that, would be asp, and then java.   Do I have proof of this?
No, can I get proof, I doubt it, and are there stats on this? To be honest,
in my opinion, that would be like asking "how big is the internet?".  It is
virtually an immeasurable object.  There are so many websites out there,
that you can't search them all... 

PHP is simple, and yet powerful to use, and is pretty much the standard for
all hosting companies.

Now, there is this link...
http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

It shows Java as #1, and php as #5, but this is also for PROGRAMMING, does
not specify web based programming vs desktop vs MAD (thanks tedd ;) ) so the
numbers do not really speak out in this application.

Does it really matter?   PHP is very huge, widely used, and I would even go
so far as to say the 'norm' for website developers, and hosting providers.

But that is my $0.02, and for me, I have been with PHP for 7 years
professionally, and in college I took VB.net, ASP.net, C++, JAVA and PHP.
Only recently have I gotten into C# for desktop applications.




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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Sebastian Krebs]

2013/8/20 Andy McKenzie 

> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Dan Munro  wrote:
>
> > > 1. There are no statement terminators. Lose your indentation for ANY
> > > reason and your program is well and truly screwed, in ways you can't
> > > imagine.
> > >
> > > 2. Python programs fail in the most ungraceful way I've ever seen in an
> > > interpreted programming language.
> >
> > 1. Indent properly. In php, if you put an open or close brace out of
> place
> > your code will break in unexpected ways as well. If it's hard to tell if
> > something is indented properly, your code should be refactored so that it
> > is.
> >
> > 2. In my experience this has a lot to do with how some people use python
> > and not python itself.
> >
> >
> I can't argue on point two, since that's where all of my worst failure have
> come from.  But as to indenting, I have had the problem of opening a file
> on a new OS, only to find that the default editor there has wiped out my
> formatting.


Who is with me? Thats a good point to restart the
tabs-vs-spaces-discussion, isn't?

*duckandrun*

:D


>  With PHP, that's not a big deal:  as long as I put my braces
> in the right places, everything will continue to work.  With Python -- or
> any whitespace delimited language -- it's fatal, and I have to hope I can
> exit without saving anything.
>
> Andy
>



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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Tedd Sperling]

On Aug 20, 2013, at 2:19 PM, Sebastian Krebs  wrote:
> Thats interesting. I am from Berlin and here, when you say you know PHP and a 
> little bit of one, or two frameworks, they will jump onto you 

I'll stay away from Berlin. :-)

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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Andy McKenzie]

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Dan Munro  wrote:

> > 1. There are no statement terminators. Lose your indentation for ANY
> > reason and your program is well and truly screwed, in ways you can't
> > imagine.
> >
> > 2. Python programs fail in the most ungraceful way I've ever seen in an
> > interpreted programming language.
>
> 1. Indent properly. In php, if you put an open or close brace out of place
> your code will break in unexpected ways as well. If it's hard to tell if
> something is indented properly, your code should be refactored so that it
> is.
>
> 2. In my experience this has a lot to do with how some people use python
> and not python itself.
>
>
I can't argue on point two, since that's where all of my worst failure have
come from.  But as to indenting, I have had the problem of opening a file
on a new OS, only to find that the default editor there has wiped out my
formatting.  With PHP, that's not a big deal:  as long as I put my braces
in the right places, everything will continue to work.  With Python -- or
any whitespace delimited language -- it's fatal, and I have to hope I can
exit without saving anything.

Andy

Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Tedd Sperling]

On Aug 20, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Pete Ford  wrote:
> tedd,
> 
> Java is a meticulously-constructed language with very strict typing and a 
> large commercial organisation which purports to support and develop it.
> PHP is a scruffy heap of loosely typed cruft which is easy to knock together 
> and build big things from, but has a semi-commercial and community support 
> structure.

Thanks for the info. :-)

FYI -- I am teaching both PHP and JAVA at college level and have taught both 
for several years as well as other Web Languages.

My recent question was simply an attempt to get documentation to support which 
server-side Web Language is the most popular. Both PHP and Java can be used 
server-side.

I also realize that Java is used for native Android because I also teach Mobile 
Application Development (MAD -- I even coined the name). So, I am up to my butt 
in languages (and people who think different than me) -- I'm just trying to get 
documentation to back up my what I think I know.

Thanks,

tedd

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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Dan Munro]

> 1. There are no statement terminators. Lose your indentation for ANY
> reason and your program is well and truly screwed, in ways you can't
> imagine.
>
> 2. Python programs fail in the most ungraceful way I've ever seen in an
> interpreted programming language.

1. Indent properly. In php, if you put an open or close brace out of place
your code will break in unexpected ways as well. If it's hard to tell if
something is indented properly, your code should be refactored so that it
is.

2. In my experience this has a lot to do with how some people use python
and not python itself.


On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Tedd Sperling wrote:

> On Aug 20, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Paul M Foster 
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 05:09:37PM +0100, Lester Caine wrote:
> >
> >> shiplu wrote:
> >>> During PHPvsPython search I found this info graphic
> >>> https://www.udemy.com/blog/modern-language-wars/#. Some of the
> >>> statistics contain Java too. Also you can search "PHP" and "Web
> >>> Development" in big job sites and compare with same search but with
> >>> "Java".
> >>
> >> 'Python is arguably the most readable programming language' probably
> >> says it all? Personally I find it almost impossible to understand
> >> when coming in cold to someone elses code ... Java is not much
> >> better ... but I still have to persist with both since some key
> >> elements of a usable PHP IDE now rely on both :(
> >
> > Python may be "most readable", but it's a huge fail for two reasons:
> >
> > 1. There are no statement terminators. Lose your indentation for ANY
> > reason and your program is well and truly screwed, in ways you can't
> > imagine.
> >
> > 2. Python programs fail in the most ungraceful way I've ever seen in an
> > interpreted programming language.
>
> And no ternary operator.
>
> tedd
>
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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Tedd Sperling]

On Aug 20, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Paul M Foster  wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 05:09:37PM +0100, Lester Caine wrote:
> 
>> shiplu wrote:
>>> During PHPvsPython search I found this info graphic
>>> https://www.udemy.com/blog/modern-language-wars/#. Some of the
>>> statistics contain Java too. Also you can search "PHP" and "Web
>>> Development" in big job sites and compare with same search but with
>>> "Java".
>> 
>> 'Python is arguably the most readable programming language' probably
>> says it all? Personally I find it almost impossible to understand
>> when coming in cold to someone elses code ... Java is not much
>> better ... but I still have to persist with both since some key
>> elements of a usable PHP IDE now rely on both :(
> 
> Python may be "most readable", but it's a huge fail for two reasons:
> 
> 1. There are no statement terminators. Lose your indentation for ANY
> reason and your program is well and truly screwed, in ways you can't
> imagine.
> 
> 2. Python programs fail in the most ungraceful way I've ever seen in an
> interpreted programming language. 

And no ternary operator.

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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Sebastian Krebs]

2013/8/20 Andy McKenzie 

> I'll chime in on this one.
>
> I've been job hunting recently, and I can say that while I've seen a lot of
> people asking for Java experience, I'm not sure I've seen a single posting
> asking specifically for PHP.  There've been a few looking for Drupal, or
> Wordpress, but no "You must be able to write PHP code to work here".
>

Thats interesting. I am from Berlin and here, when you say you know PHP and
a little bit of one, or two frameworks, they will jump onto you :D


>
> I can also say that the more I work with Java-based programs, the more I
> want to see Java written into history books as a terrible idea that sadly
> persisted until nearly 2014.  As an example:  I need to provide IT support
> to people using a tool written in Java.  It turns out that if you install
> Java 7, the tool doesn't work at all.  If you install Java 6 with the
> newest updates, it works, but occasionally crashes the entire computer.
> No, you have to have Java 6 update 22 in order for this software to be
> reliable.
>
> There are other tools I've used that failed completely on minor version
> switches, and that just plain SHOULDN'T HAPPEN.  Yes, there are going to be
> minor changes when a language upgrades, that's why there are upgrades.  But
> they're usually minor, in a "This didn't work the way it was supposed to,
> so we fixed it" kind of way.  If you were taking advantage of that bug, you
> get knocked down, but the vast majority of software will keep running.
> Java doesn't seem to work that way, at least from an IT worker's
> perspective.
>
> Andy McKenzie
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Tedd Sperling  wrote:
>
> > Hi guys:
> >
> > A teacher at my college made the statement that JAVA for Web Development
> > is more popular than PHP.
> >
> > Where can I go to prove this right or wrong -- and/or -- what references
> > do any of you have to support your answer? (sounds like a teacher, huh?)
> >
> > Here are my two references:
> >
> > http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/pl-php/all/all
> >
> >
> http://w3techs.com/technologies/history_overview/programming_language/ms/y
> >
> > But I do not know how accurate they are.
> >
> > What say you?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> >
> > tedd
> >
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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Sebastian Krebs]

2013/8/20 Lester Caine 

> Sebastian Krebs wrote:
>
>> 1. He's not my teacher -- he is a fellow teacher AND a smart one! He knows
>>> >the difference between Java and JavaScript.
>>> >
>>>
>> OKOK, sorry -_-
>> But @topic: For example see
>> http://w3techs.com/**technologies/overview/**programming_language/all
>> Really: Java is a good and mature language, but it is not a web-language.
>>
>>  >2. In life, you will find that popularity (often over "which is best")
>>> is
>>> >the main reason why things prosper.
>>>
>>
> I think he is simply wrong in his interpretation of the facts. The number
> of websites powered by PHP vastly exceeds Java and every other language
> http://w3techs.com/**technologies/overview/**programming_language/all
> Says it all!
>
> But you would never use PHP for a distributed application, and then
> http://www.langpop.com/ comes into play when the fight is between Java
> and C/C++ and personally I'm happier with C/C++ than Java even on Android.
> But even though you would not use PHP for distributed applications, it
> still gets a good 4th in that chart as well.


Exactly, but the initial explicitly states, that this is about web
development :D

Don't know, what I should think about langpop.com. A popularity listing,
that doesn't take github (or any other repo hoster, than google code) into
account? :? Its also quite outdated...


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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Andy McKenzie]

I'll chime in on this one.

I've been job hunting recently, and I can say that while I've seen a lot of
people asking for Java experience, I'm not sure I've seen a single posting
asking specifically for PHP.  There've been a few looking for Drupal, or
Wordpress, but no "You must be able to write PHP code to work here".

I can also say that the more I work with Java-based programs, the more I
want to see Java written into history books as a terrible idea that sadly
persisted until nearly 2014.  As an example:  I need to provide IT support
to people using a tool written in Java.  It turns out that if you install
Java 7, the tool doesn't work at all.  If you install Java 6 with the
newest updates, it works, but occasionally crashes the entire computer.
No, you have to have Java 6 update 22 in order for this software to be
reliable.

There are other tools I've used that failed completely on minor version
switches, and that just plain SHOULDN'T HAPPEN.  Yes, there are going to be
minor changes when a language upgrades, that's why there are upgrades.  But
they're usually minor, in a "This didn't work the way it was supposed to,
so we fixed it" kind of way.  If you were taking advantage of that bug, you
get knocked down, but the vast majority of software will keep running.
Java doesn't seem to work that way, at least from an IT worker's
perspective.

Andy McKenzie


On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Tedd Sperling  wrote:

> Hi guys:
>
> A teacher at my college made the statement that JAVA for Web Development
> is more popular than PHP.
>
> Where can I go to prove this right or wrong -- and/or -- what references
> do any of you have to support your answer? (sounds like a teacher, huh?)
>
> Here are my two references:
>
> http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/pl-php/all/all
>
> http://w3techs.com/technologies/history_overview/programming_language/ms/y
>
> But I do not know how accurate they are.
>
> What say you?
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> tedd
>
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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Larry Garfield]

On 8/20/13 9:00 AM, Tedd Sperling wrote:

Hi guys:

A teacher at my college made the statement that JAVA for Web Development is 
more popular than PHP.

Where can I go to prove this right or wrong -- and/or -- what references do any 
of you have to support your answer? (sounds like a teacher, huh?)

Here are my two references:

http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/pl-php/all/all

http://w3techs.com/technologies/history_overview/programming_language/ms/y

But I do not know how accurate they are.

What say you?

Cheers,


tedd


As others have said, he's simply wrong. :-)  "Good"ness of either 
language aside, the data (W3Techs is what I usually cite) is clear: For 
server-side web dev, PHP is the 800 lb gorilla.


For all programming combined?  Java may be bigger than PHP, sure.  For 
embedded?  No question, Java > PHP as PHP has almost no presence.  For 
"enterprise shops"?  There probably are segments of the market that are 
very Java-centric, even on the web, no question.


It's all how you define your scope.  I'm sure he could come up with some 
definition of "market" that would show Java having a bigger marketshare 
than PHP, within that market.  The question is whether that is a valid 
definition of "market" in context.


Lies, damned lies, and statistics. :-)

As countering data-points: Wordpress alone is 18% of the web.  Drupal is 
the #1 CMS used to power US government websites.  Universities and 
Museums are very big on Drupal.  (That's my day job. )  PHP's 
marketshare is huge, even in "enterprise".


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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Pete Ford]

On 20/08/13 15:00, Tedd Sperling wrote:

Hi guys:

A teacher at my college made the statement that JAVA for Web Development is 
more popular than PHP.

Where can I go to prove this right or wrong -- and/or -- what references do any 
of you have to support your answer? (sounds like a teacher, huh?)

Here are my two references:

http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/pl-php/all/all

http://w3techs.com/technologies/history_overview/programming_language/ms/y

But I do not know how accurate they are.

What say you?

Cheers,


tedd

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tedd,

Java is a meticulously-constructed language with very strict typing and 
a large commercial organisation which purports to support and develop it.
PHP is a scruffy heap of loosely typed cruft which is easy to knock 
together and build big things from, but has a semi-commercial and 
community support structure.
Guess which one the big commercial organistations (banks, industry etc.) 
prefer to trust?
Guess which is then popular for college courses since it provides the 
students with a basis in something that is commercially desirable?
From my personal point of view, I started with BASIC, then FORTRAN (in 
a scientific environment), then C/C++, then Java (which I saw as the 
language C++ should have been), and then moved on to PHP in a search to 
find a way of building web apps in the sort of timescales that 
small-medium enterprises are prepared to accept.

Popularity is in the eye of the beholder...

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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Paul M Foster]

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 05:09:37PM +0100, Lester Caine wrote:

> shiplu wrote:
> >During PHPvsPython search I found this info graphic
> >https://www.udemy.com/blog/modern-language-wars/#. Some of the
> >statistics contain Java too. Also you can search "PHP" and "Web
> >Development" in big job sites and compare with same search but with
> >"Java".
> 
> 'Python is arguably the most readable programming language' probably
> says it all? Personally I find it almost impossible to understand
> when coming in cold to someone elses code ... Java is not much
> better ... but I still have to persist with both since some key
> elements of a usable PHP IDE now rely on both :(

Python may be "most readable", but it's a huge fail for two reasons:

1. There are no statement terminators. Lose your indentation for ANY
reason and your program is well and truly screwed, in ways you can't
imagine.

2. Python programs fail in the most ungraceful way I've ever seen in an
interpreted programming language. (Don't even start in on C. It's a
compiled language.)

Java is an incredibly heavy language for web work. Much like Ruby but
more so.

I'll say it again-- one of the reasons for the popularity of PHP is its
similarity to C, at least a passing skill in which is common to most
programmers.

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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Lester Caine]

shiplu wrote:

During PHPvsPython search I found this info graphic
https://www.udemy.com/blog/modern-language-wars/#. Some of the
statistics contain Java too. Also you can search "PHP" and "Web
Development" in big job sites and compare with same search but with
"Java".


'Python is arguably the most readable programming language' probably says it 
all? Personally I find it almost impossible to understand when coming in cold to 
someone elses code ... Java is not much better ... but I still have to persist 
with both since some key elements of a usable PHP IDE now rely on both :(


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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[shiplu]

What a co-incidence! I was searching PHP vs Python in google and
reading articles. Now a similar mail on my inbox. When any language
war goes on, everyone gets biased by the language he/she loves. It
applies here too. I think your college teacher loves Java.

During PHPvsPython search I found this info graphic
https://www.udemy.com/blog/modern-language-wars/#. Some of the
statistics contain Java too. Also you can search "PHP" and "Web
Development" in big job sites and compare with same search but with
"Java".

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:00 PM, Tedd Sperling  wrote:
> Hi guys:
>
> A teacher at my college made the statement that JAVA for Web Development is 
> more popular than PHP.
>
> Where can I go to prove this right or wrong -- and/or -- what references do 
> any of you have to support your answer? (sounds like a teacher, huh?)
>
> Here are my two references:
>
> http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/pl-php/all/all
>
> http://w3techs.com/technologies/history_overview/programming_language/ms/y
>
> But I do not know how accurate they are.
>
> What say you?
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Daniel Brown]

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Tedd Sperling  wrote:
> Hi guys:
>
> A teacher at my college made the statement that JAVA for Web Development is 
> more popular than PHP.
>
> Where can I go to prove this right or wrong -- and/or -- what references do 
> any of you have to support your answer? (sounds like a teacher, huh?)
>
> Here are my two references:
>
> http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/pl-php/all/all
>
> http://w3techs.com/technologies/history_overview/programming_language/ms/y
>
> But I do not know how accurate they are.
>
> What say you?

While I couldn't find anything comparable - from the same source
and window of time - for Java trends on the web, there was an article
released by Netcraft in January of this year that shows PHPs continued
growth[1].  It may, at the least, provide a basis for comparison
should you or your adversary be so inclined to dig deeper.


^1: 
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2013/01/31/php-just-grows-grows.html

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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Lester Caine]

Sebastian Krebs wrote:

1. He's not my teacher -- he is a fellow teacher AND a smart one! He knows
>the difference between Java and JavaScript.
>

OKOK, sorry -_-
But @topic: For example see
http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/programming_language/all
Really: Java is a good and mature language, but it is not a web-language.


>2. In life, you will find that popularity (often over "which is best") is
>the main reason why things prosper.


I think he is simply wrong in his interpretation of the facts. The number of 
websites powered by PHP vastly exceeds Java and every other language

http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/programming_language/all
Says it all!

But you would never use PHP for a distributed application, and then 
http://www.langpop.com/ comes into play when the fight is between Java and C/C++ 
and personally I'm happier with C/C++ than Java even on Android. But even though 
you would not use PHP for distributed applications, it still gets a good 4th in 
that chart as well.


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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Sebastian Krebs]

2013/8/20 Tedd Sperling 

> On Aug 20, 2013, at 10:29 AM, Sebastian Krebs  wrote:
> > Just tell your teacher: Java isn't more popular than PHP as
> _web_-language ;)
> > I think too, that he actually meant javascript, which is indeed a very
> popular client-side language. But javascript and PHP has different
> use-cases, thus saying "one is more popular" doesn't tell you anything
> about whether they are in competition against each other, or not (hint:
> they arent : :D).
>
> Two things:
>
> 1. He's not my teacher -- he is a fellow teacher AND a smart one! He knows
> the difference between Java and JavaScript.
>

OKOK, sorry -_-
But @topic: For example see
http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/programming_language/all
Really: Java is a good and mature language, but it is not a web-language.


> 2. In life, you will find that popularity (often over "which is best") is
> the main reason why things prosper.
>

I am not saying, that Java is bad, or it is not popular. It is just not
that popular in the web-ecosystem :)
There was one statement I remember (I don't know, where I got it from): A
static language doesn't fit very well into the dynamic web. :)


>
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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[David OBrien]

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:56 AM, David OBrien  wrote:

>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Tedd Sperling  wrote:
>
>> On Aug 20, 2013, at 10:36 AM, "Liam"  wrote:
>> > You do realise you are on a PHP based user subscription, so the vast
>> > majority will go with PHP, so you will get a one sided argument.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Liam
>>
>>
>> I realize that many, maybe the majority, will be bias. HOWEVER -- there
>> are professionals on this list that do know and it is to them I am asking.
>> Remember, I am also asking for supporting documentation of their view. The
>> people who respond with just their opinion are doing just that -- there is
>> no support.
>>
>> My nature is to seek the truth regardless of my bias.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
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If your looking for popularity...
http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/programming_language/all

Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[David OBrien]

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Tedd Sperling  wrote:

> On Aug 20, 2013, at 10:36 AM, "Liam"  wrote:
> > You do realise you are on a PHP based user subscription, so the vast
> > majority will go with PHP, so you will get a one sided argument.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Liam
>
>
> I realize that many, maybe the majority, will be bias. HOWEVER -- there
> are professionals on this list that do know and it is to them I am asking.
> Remember, I am also asking for supporting documentation of their view. The
> people who respond with just their opinion are doing just that -- there is
> no support.
>
> My nature is to seek the truth regardless of my bias.
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Marc Guay]

Here are two references from the Wikipedia article on Java in case you
haven't looked at them already.

http://www.langpop.com/
http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

On 20 August 2013 10:43, Tedd Sperling  wrote:
> On Aug 20, 2013, at 10:36 AM, "Liam"  wrote:
>> You do realise you are on a PHP based user subscription, so the vast
>> majority will go with PHP, so you will get a one sided argument.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Liam
>
>
> I realize that many, maybe the majority, will be bias. HOWEVER -- there are 
> professionals on this list that do know and it is to them I am asking. 
> Remember, I am also asking for supporting documentation of their view. The 
> people who respond with just their opinion are doing just that -- there is no 
> support.
>
> My nature is to seek the truth regardless of my bias.
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Tedd Sperling]

On Aug 20, 2013, at 10:36 AM, "Liam"  wrote:
> You do realise you are on a PHP based user subscription, so the vast
> majority will go with PHP, so you will get a one sided argument.
> 
> Regards,
> Liam


I realize that many, maybe the majority, will be bias. HOWEVER -- there are 
professionals on this list that do know and it is to them I am asking. 
Remember, I am also asking for supporting documentation of their view. The 
people who respond with just their opinion are doing just that -- there is no 
support.

My nature is to seek the truth regardless of my bias.

Cheers,

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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Tedd Sperling]

On Aug 20, 2013, at 10:29 AM, Sebastian Krebs  wrote:
> Just tell your teacher: Java isn't more popular than PHP as _web_-language ;)
> I think too, that he actually meant javascript, which is indeed a very 
> popular client-side language. But javascript and PHP has different use-cases, 
> thus saying "one is more popular" doesn't tell you anything about whether 
> they are in competition against each other, or not (hint: they arent : :D).

Two things:

1. He's not my teacher -- he is a fellow teacher AND a smart one! He knows the 
difference between Java and JavaScript.
2. In life, you will find that popularity (often over "which is best") is the 
main reason why things prosper. 

Cheers,

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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Bastien Koert]

I think the big takeaway there is that JAVA is one of the primary language
for larger companies and applications. Start ups tend to use smaller easier
to use tools like php / javascript / python / ruby.

I saw one figure recently that put php at 75% of websites out there (i
think that came out when google decided to support php for the app engine)



On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Tedd Sperling  wrote:

> On Aug 20, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Ashley Sheridan 
> wrote:
> > Is he possibly getting confused with Javascript?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ash
>
> No, this guy is smarter than that -- he's pretty sharp -- so I listen to
> what he has to say.
>
> Here's an interesting link:
>
> http://www.sitepoint.com/best-programming-language-of-2013/
>
> But the link does not divide languages between Web and Other -- other than
> "Android Java", which I do not believe is also included in the above Java
> number.
>
> I think there is more going on here than what I know.
>
> For example, my college has numerous (over 3) JAVA classes filled to the
> max, whereas my PHP class was canceled due to lack of students. Granted the
> college could have advertised my PHP class more, but still there is an
> overwhelming demand for Java Programmers. My questions is "Why?"
>
> Cheers,
>
>
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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Tedd Sperling]

> The article very clearly says..
> 
> No language can be considered as good just because there are more jobs for 
> the same.
> 

Yes, but I am not making a value (good/bad) judgment -- Instead I am asking for 
references supporting which language (Java or PHP) as being the most popular 
for Web Development?

Do you have any?

Cheers,

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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Sebastian Krebs]

2013/8/20 Tedd Sperling 

> On Aug 20, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Ashley Sheridan 
> wrote:
> > Is he possibly getting confused with Javascript?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ash
>
> No, this guy is smarter than that -- he's pretty sharp -- so I listen to
> what he has to say.
>
> Here's an interesting link:
>
> http://www.sitepoint.com/best-programming-language-of-2013/
>
> But the link does not divide languages between Web and Other -- other than
> "Android Java", which I do not believe is also included in the above Java
> number.
>
> I think there is more going on here than what I know.
>
> For example, my college has numerous (over 3) JAVA classes filled to the
> max, whereas my PHP class was canceled due to lack of students. Granted the
> college could have advertised my PHP class more, but still there is an
> overwhelming demand for Java Programmers. My questions is "Why?"
>

Just tell your teacher: Java isn't more popular than PHP as _web_-language
;)
I think too, that he actually meant javascript, which is indeed a very
popular client-side language. But javascript and PHP has different
use-cases, thus saying "one is more popular" doesn't tell you anything
about whether they are in competition against each other, or not (hint:
they arent : :D).


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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Stephen]

On 13-08-20 10:19 AM, Tedd Sperling wrote:

On Aug 20, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Ashley Sheridan  wrote:

Is he possibly getting confused with Javascript?

Thanks,
Ash

No, this guy is smarter than that -- he's pretty sharp -- so I listen to what 
he has to say.

Here's an interesting link:

http://www.sitepoint.com/best-programming-language-of-2013/

But the link does not divide languages between Web and Other -- other than "Android 
Java", which I do not believe is also included in the above Java number.

I think there is more going on here than what I know.

For example, my college has numerous (over 3) JAVA classes filled to the max, whereas my 
PHP class was canceled due to lack of students. Granted the college could have advertised 
my PHP class more, but still there is an overwhelming demand for Java Programmers. My 
questions is "Why?"


I think that the overwhelming majority of Android apps are written in 
JAVA. That explains its popularity.


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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Tedd Sperling]

On Aug 20, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Ashley Sheridan  wrote:
> Is he possibly getting confused with Javascript?
> 
> Thanks,
> Ash

No, this guy is smarter than that -- he's pretty sharp -- so I listen to what 
he has to say.

Here's an interesting link:

http://www.sitepoint.com/best-programming-language-of-2013/

But the link does not divide languages between Web and Other -- other than 
"Android Java", which I do not believe is also included in the above Java 
number.

I think there is more going on here than what I know.

For example, my college has numerous (over 3) JAVA classes filled to the max, 
whereas my PHP class was canceled due to lack of students. Granted the college 
could have advertised my PHP class more, but still there is an overwhelming 
demand for Java Programmers. My questions is "Why?"

Cheers,


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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Stephen]

On 13-08-20 10:00 AM, Tedd Sperling wrote:

Hi guys:

A teacher at my college made the statement that JAVA for Web Development is 
more popular than PHP.

Where can I go to prove this right or wrong -- and/or -- what references do any 
of you have to support your answer? (sounds like a teacher, huh?)

Here are my two references:

http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/pl-php/all/all

http://w3techs.com/technologies/history_overview/programming_language/ms/y

But I do not know how accurate they are.



I think you can use w3techs.com as a very reliable source.

But your teacher may have been talking about "javascript" which is not 
the same thing as java despite the similarity in their names.


Javascript is part of the web page, and executes in the users browser. 
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Re: [PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Ashley Sheridan]

Tedd Sperling  wrote:
>Hi guys:
>
>A teacher at my college made the statement that JAVA for Web
>Development is more popular than PHP.
>
>Where can I go to prove this right or wrong -- and/or -- what
>references do any of you have to support your answer? (sounds like a
>teacher, huh?)
>
>Here are my two references:
>
>http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/pl-php/all/all
>
>http://w3techs.com/technologies/history_overview/programming_language/ms/y
>
>
>But I do not know how accurate they are.
>
>What say you?
>
>Cheers,
>
>
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Is he possibly getting confused with Javascript?

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[PHP] PHP vs JAVA

[Tedd Sperling]

Hi guys:

A teacher at my college made the statement that JAVA for Web Development is 
more popular than PHP.

Where can I go to prove this right or wrong -- and/or -- what references do any 
of you have to support your answer? (sounds like a teacher, huh?)

Here are my two references:

http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/pl-php/all/all

http://w3techs.com/technologies/history_overview/programming_language/ms/y 

But I do not know how accurate they are.

What say you?

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[PHP] [php-general] gibberish output when using the loadHTMLFile() function.

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Hi there!!

When I'm trying to load an external html document with the loadHTMLFile()
function and then I use the saveHTML() function to output its content,
some text in the external html document which is written in hebrew is
displayed in a gibberish format. is anyone here has an idea how to solve
this problem?

NOTE: the document itself is encoded in utf-8 character set.

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Re: [PHP] php 5.3.15 and exception for disabled_functions

[Josef Karliak]

  Hi,
  interesting function, but disable_function is configurable only  
from php.ini file :-/

  J.K.

Cituji Bálint Horváth :


Hi,

Maybe you think for ini_set()

http://php.net/manual/en/function.ini-set.php



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  Hi there,
  in the php.ini file I've disabled some functions (exec and similar). In
the php script we must use binary execution - so I had to enable function
"exec" again. And here is a question - does php have an option, that I
could set : this binary file could use this disabled function ? Like :

disable_functions_binary_**exception = /usr/local/bin/compute_**doomsday
disable_functions_function_**exception = exec

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Re: [PHP] php 5.3.15 and exception for disabled_functions

[Bálint Horváth]

Hi,

Maybe you think for ini_set()

http://php.net/manual/en/function.ini-set.php



On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Josef Karliak  wrote:

>   Hi there,
>   in the php.ini file I've disabled some functions (exec and similar). In
> the php script we must use binary execution - so I had to enable function
> "exec" again. And here is a question - does php have an option, that I
> could set : this binary file could use this disabled function ? Like :
>
> disable_functions_binary_**exception = /usr/local/bin/compute_**doomsday
> disable_functions_function_**exception = exec
>
> :)
>
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[PHP] php 5.3.15 and exception for disabled_functions

[Josef Karliak]

  Hi there,
  in the php.ini file I've disabled some functions (exec and  
similar). In the php script we must use binary execution - so I had to  
enable function "exec" again. And here is a question - does php have  
an option, that I could set : this binary file could use this disabled  
function ? Like :


disable_functions_binary_exception = /usr/local/bin/compute_doomsday
disable_functions_function_exception = exec

:)

Thanks and best regards

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RE: [PHP] PHP and Powershell

[Alan Loos]

Serge,

  Won't lie, read this from my phone this morning and thought 'No it can't be 
that easy'.
Now that I'm at work in front of a computer I've updated the command to the 
following:

GetTarget.ps1

###
## Variables ##
###

$cred = New-Object System.Management.Automation.PSCredential -ArgumentList 
@('administra...@widget.com',(ConvertTo-SecureString -String 'MyPassword' 
-AsPlainText -Force))
$command = Invoke-Command -computername localhost -credential $cred 
-scriptblock {& Get-IscsiServerTarget -TargetName Target1 | select-object 
TargetIqn,Status | Format-List} -SessionOption (New-PSSessionOption 
-SkipCACheck -SkipCNCheck -SkipRevocationCheck)


#
## Execute Scriptblock ##
#

$command



And it returns:

Array
(
[0] =>
[1] =>
[2] => TargetIqn : iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target1
[3] => Status: NotConnected
[4] =>
[5] =>
[6] =>
)
0

End Of Scene

In effect, you're a genius!

Thank you for all your help I should be able to tackle it from here!

Alan Loos

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From: Serge Fonville [mailto:serge.fonvi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 4:09 AM
To: Alan Loos
Cc: php-general@lists.php.net
Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP and Powershell

Hi,

Thanks for your change.

I understand what has happend, from MSDN forums
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windowsserver/en-US/4b841530-9d8c-4d09-a77c-b89c6e0bafab/how-do-i-capture-data-from-invokecommand

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj612804.aspx describes that
Get-IscsiServerTarget returns an instance of 
Microsoft.Iscsi.Target.Commands.IscsiServerTarget. De output also includes the 
runspaceid and pscomputername. Invoke-Command also returns a runspaceid (when 
executed with -computername).

You need to use Select-Object to output only the relevant fields instead.

HTH

Kind regards/met vriendelijke groet,

Serge Fonville

http://www.sergefonville.nl

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Re: [PHP] PHP and Powershell

[Serge Fonville]

Hi,

Thanks for your change.

I understand what has happend, from MSDN forums
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windowsserver/en-US/4b841530-9d8c-4d09-a77c-b89c6e0bafab/how-do-i-capture-data-from-invokecommand

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj612804.aspx describes that
Get-IscsiServerTarget returns an instance of
Microsoft.Iscsi.Target.Commands.IscsiServerTarget. De output also includes
the runspaceid and pscomputername. Invoke-Command also returns a runspaceid
(when executed with -computername).

You need to use Select-Object to output only the relevant fields instead.

HTH

Kind regards/met vriendelijke groet,

Serge Fonville

http://www.sergefonville.nl

Convince Microsoft!
They need to add TRUNCATE PARTITION in SQL Server
https://connect.microsoft.com/SQLServer/feedback/details/417926/truncate-partition-of-partitioned-table


2013/7/19 Alan Loos 

>  Serge,
>
>   I have, the script itself allows for easy transition into a .ps1, what I
> have done is removed the # from the debug section to get the full command
> that is then easily ‘copy and paste’-able into a Powershell prompt and I
> get the same response in Powershell directly.
>
>   Also in response to the lastest post to the thread I will snip off some
> content here. (Sorry first time at this)
>
>
>
> The ultimate goal is to pull the two variables so I can pass them forward
> via a PHP script to a MySQL Database.
>
> (ie iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target1 and NotConnected in this case)
>
>
>
> I believe that the command in Powershell is trying to gather the $Status
> on both the Invoke-Command and Get-iSCSIServerTarget commands. Which is why
> I am getting a table in the Powershell Console and browser.
>
>
>
> Per your request I have rewritten the scripts:
>
> (Included inline)
>
> TestGetServerTarget.php
>  --
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> ###
>
> ## Variables ##
>
> ###
>
>
>
> $psCMD = "powershell.exe -ExecutionPolicy Unrestricted";
>
> $psFILE = "C:\\Arc\\scripts\\TestGetTarget.ps1";
>
> $runCMD = $psCMD." ".$psFILE;
>
>
>
> 
>
> ## Variable Checking (For Debug Mode) ##
>
> 
>
>
>
> #echo "\$psCMD = $psCMD";
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> ## Run Script ##
>
> 
>
>
>
> exec($runCMD, $out);
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> ## Output ##
>
> 
>
>
>
> echo ('');
>
> print_r($out);
>
> echo ('');
>
>
>
>
>
> ###
>
> ## End Of Script ##
>
> ###
>
>
>
> echo "End Of Scene";
>
>
>
>
>
> ?>
>  --
>
>
>
>
>
> TestGetTarget.ps1
>  --
>
> ###
>
> ## Variables ##
>
> ###
>
>
>
> $cred = New-Object System.Management.Automation.PSCredential -ArgumentList
> @('administra...@widget.com',(ConvertTo-SecureString -String 'MyPassword'
> -AsPlainText -Force))
>
> $command = Invoke-Command -computername localhost -credential $cred
> -scriptblock {& Get-IscsiServerTarget -TargetName Target1 | % {
> $_.TargetIqn, $_.Status}} -SessionOption (New-PSSessionOption -SkipCACheck
> -SkipCNCheck -SkipRevocationCheck)
>
>
>
>
>
> #
>
> ## Execute Scriptblock ##
>
> #
>
>
>
> $command
>  --
>
>
>
> Powershell output of TestGetTarget.ps1:
>  --
>
> PS C:\Arc\Scripts> .\TestGetTarget.ps1
>
> iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target1
>
>
>
> PSComputerName  RunspaceId
>  Value
>
> --
> --  -
>
> localhost
> f3c5063a-85df-49a3-a5ed-7df04a930684NotConnected
>  --
>
>
>
> PHP output webbrowser (Much in the same):
>  --
>
> Array
>
> (
>
> [0] => iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target1
>
> [1] =>
>
> [2] => PSComputerName RunspaceId Value
>
> [3] => -- -- -
>
> [4] => localhost  f46c9f15-70b4-496c-a9d6...
> NotConnected
>
> [5] =>
>
> [6] =>
>
> )
>
>
>
> End Of Scene
>  --
>
>
>
>
>

RE: [PHP] PHP and Powershell

[Alan Loos]

Serge,
  I have, the script itself allows for easy transition into a .ps1, what I have 
done is removed the # from the debug section to get the full command that is 
then easily 'copy and paste'-able into a Powershell prompt and I get the same 
response in Powershell directly.
  Also in response to the lastest post to the thread I will snip off some 
content here. (Sorry first time at this)

The ultimate goal is to pull the two variables so I can pass them forward via a 
PHP script to a MySQL Database.
(ie iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target1 and NotConnected in this case)

I believe that the command in Powershell is trying to gather the $Status on 
both the Invoke-Command and Get-iSCSIServerTarget commands. Which is why I am 
getting a table in the Powershell Console and browser.

Per your request I have rewritten the scripts:
(Included inline)
TestGetServerTarget.php

');
print_r($out);
echo ('');


###
## End Of Script ##
###

echo "End Of Scene";


?>



TestGetTarget.ps1

###
## Variables ##
###

$cred = New-Object System.Management.Automation.PSCredential -ArgumentList 
@('administra...@widget.com',(ConvertTo-SecureString -String 'MyPassword' 
-AsPlainText -Force))
$command = Invoke-Command -computername localhost -credential $cred 
-scriptblock {& Get-IscsiServerTarget -TargetName Target1 | % { $_.TargetIqn, 
$_.Status}} -SessionOption (New-PSSessionOption -SkipCACheck -SkipCNCheck 
-SkipRevocationCheck)


#
## Execute Scriptblock ##
#

$command


Powershell output of TestGetTarget.ps1:

PS C:\Arc\Scripts> .\TestGetTarget.ps1
iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target1

PSComputerName  RunspaceId  
Value
--  --  
-
localhost   f3c5063a-85df-49a3-a5ed-7df04a930684
NotConnected


PHP output webbrowser (Much in the same):

Array
(
[0] => iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target1
[1] =>
[2] => PSComputerName RunspaceId Value
[3] => -- -- -
[4] => localhost  f46c9f15-70b4-496c-a9d6... NotConnected
[5] =>
[6] =>
)

End Of Scene



Alan Loos

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From: Serge Fonville [mailto:serge.fonvi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 12:16 PM
To: Alan Loos
Cc: php-general@lists.php.net
Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP and Powershell

Thank you for your clarification.

Have you considered placing the whole powershell -command parameter in a .ps1 
script and executing that instead?

The benefit would be that it is easier to read and test accordingly.

HTH

Kind regards/met vriendelijke groet,

Serge Fonville

http://www.sergefonville.nl

Convince Microsoft!
They need to add TRUNCATE PARTITION in SQL Server
https://connect.microsoft.com/SQLServer/feedback/details/417926/truncate-partition-of-partitioned-table

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Re: [PHP] PHP and Powershell

[Tedd Sperling]

To all:

Sorry for top posting and sorry for sounding like the list-police, but you need 
to trim the excess from your post. Hitting reply without considering that other 
have to read through a bunch of old add-on email is not good.

So, please just trim your post to what is important.

Cheers,

tedd

On Jul 19, 2013, at 1:16 PM, Serge Fonville  wrote:

> Thank you for your clarification.
> 
> Have you considered placing the whole powershell -command parameter in a
> .ps1 script and executing that instead?
> 
> The benefit would be that it is easier to read and test accordingly.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Kind regards/met vriendelijke groet,
> 
> Serge Fonville

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Re: [PHP] PHP and Powershell

[Serge Fonville]

Thank you for your clarification.

Have you considered placing the whole powershell -command parameter in a
.ps1 script and executing that instead?

The benefit would be that it is easier to read and test accordingly.

HTH

Kind regards/met vriendelijke groet,

Serge Fonville

http://www.sergefonville.nl

Convince Microsoft!
They need to add TRUNCATE PARTITION in SQL Server
https://connect.microsoft.com/SQLServer/feedback/details/417926/truncate-partition-of-partitioned-table


2013/7/19 Alan Loos 

>  According to Technet it is not required (
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh849719.aspx) as the default
> would be ‘localhost’ which is the same as 127.0.0.1.
>
> ** **
>
> So you are correct it is not required. However when I take away
> ‘-computername 127.0.0.1’ I get a return of:
>
> Array
>
> (
>
> [0] => Invoke-Command : Parameter set cannot be resolved using the
> specified named
>
> [1] => parameters.
>
> [2] => At line:1 char:172
>
> [3] => + $cred = New-Object System.Management.Automation.PSCredential
> -ArgumentList
>
> [4] => @('ad ...
>
> [5] => +
> ~
> 
>
> [6] => ~~~
>
> [7] => + CategoryInfo  : InvalidArgument: (:)
> [Invoke-Command], Parameter
>
> [8] =>BindingException
>
> [9] => + FullyQualifiedErrorId :
> AmbiguousParameterSet,Microsoft.PowerShell.Comma
>
> [10] =>nds.InvokeCommandCommand
>
> [11] => 
>
> )
>
> ** **
>
> End Of Scene
>
> ** **
>
> For whatever reason, the powershell command does not want to execute
> properly without that variable being defined explicitly.
>
> ** **
>
> (Not sure if that is what you are asking exactly but I think that was
> answering the question, if not let me know and I’ll try to answer the best
> I can)
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> ** **
>
> *Alan Loos* 
>
> ** **
>
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail and the attachment(s) hereto (if any)
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> e-mail and/or the accompanying attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you
> have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by
> return e-mail.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Serge Fonville [mailto:serge.fonvi...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, July 19, 2013 11:13 AM
>
> *To:* Alan Loos
> *Cc:* php-general@lists.php.net
> *Subject:* Re: [PHP] PHP and Powershell
>
> ** **
>
> How have you determined that invoke-command requires -computername?
>
> 
>
> Kind regards/met vriendelijke groet,
>
> ** **
>
> Serge Fonville
>
> ** **
>
> http://www.sergefonville.nl
>
> Convince Microsoft!
>
> They need to add TRUNCATE PARTITION in SQL Server
>
>
> https://connect.microsoft.com/SQLServer/feedback/details/417926/truncate-partition-of-partitioned-table
> 
>
> ** **
>
> 2013/7/19 Alan Loos 
>
> Thank you for your response Serge!
>
>   The computer name  is for the invoke-command, ComputerName has to be
> specified to tell the computer where the command is to be routed. Since I
> want this to run locally over PHP I figured that it would be a good way to
> avoid running a script as I have read online that when it can be avoided
> it’s a good practice (I also couldn’t get this to work properly… J But
> that is a side note). The piece that outputs the extra RunSpaceID and the
> PSComputerName is the $_.Status portion of everything.
>
>  
>
> If someone knows how to cut it out that would be fine but really I just
> need to pull the Target Name and the Value from result. For the attached
> example it would be $IQNTarget = iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target1 and $Value
> = NotConnected (Which there are two options for this which is Connected or
> NotConnected).
>
>  
>
> To use Select Object here would I do Select-Object $Value?
>
>  
>
> *Alan Loos*
>
>  
>
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail and the attachment(s) hereto (if any)
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> e-mail and/or the accompanying attachment(s)

RE: [PHP] PHP and Powershell

[Alan Loos]

According to Technet it is not required 
(http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh849719.aspx) as the default would 
be 'localhost' which is the same as 127.0.0.1.

So you are correct it is not required. However when I take away '-computername 
127.0.0.1' I get a return of:
Array
(
[0] => Invoke-Command : Parameter set cannot be resolved using the 
specified named
[1] => parameters.
[2] => At line:1 char:172
[3] => + $cred = New-Object System.Management.Automation.PSCredential 
-ArgumentList
[4] => @('ad ...
[5] => + 
~
[6] => ~~~
[7] => + CategoryInfo  : InvalidArgument: (:) [Invoke-Command], 
Parameter
[8] =>BindingException
[9] => + FullyQualifiedErrorId : 
AmbiguousParameterSet,Microsoft.PowerShell.Comma
[10] =>nds.InvokeCommandCommand
[11] =>
)

End Of Scene

For whatever reason, the powershell command does not want to execute properly 
without that variable being defined explicitly.

(Not sure if that is what you are asking exactly but I think that was answering 
the question, if not let me know and I'll try to answer the best I can)

Thanks in advance!

Alan Loos

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From: Serge Fonville [mailto:serge.fonvi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 11:13 AM
To: Alan Loos
Cc: php-general@lists.php.net
Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP and Powershell

How have you determined that invoke-command requires -computername?

Kind regards/met vriendelijke groet,

Serge Fonville

http://www.sergefonville.nl

Convince Microsoft!
They need to add TRUNCATE PARTITION in SQL Server
https://connect.microsoft.com/SQLServer/feedback/details/417926/truncate-partition-of-partitioned-table

2013/7/19 Alan Loos mailto:alan.l...@genco.com>>
Thank you for your response Serge!
  The computer name  is for the invoke-command, ComputerName has to be 
specified to tell the computer where the command is to be routed. Since I want 
this to run locally over PHP I figured that it would be a good way to avoid 
running a script as I have read online that when it can be avoided it's a good 
practice (I also couldn't get this to work properly... :) But that is a side 
note). The piece that outputs the extra RunSpaceID and the PSComputerName is 
the $_.Status portion of everything.

If someone knows how to cut it out that would be fine but really I just need to 
pull the Target Name and the Value from result. For the attached example it 
would be $IQNTarget = iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target1 and $Value = NotConnected 
(Which there are two options for this which is Connected or NotConnected).

To use Select Object here would I do Select-Object $Value?

Alan Loos

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From: Serge Fonville 
[mailto:serge.fonvi...@gmail.com<mailto:serge.fonvi...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 3:05 AM
To: Alan Loos
Cc: php-general@lists.php.net<mailto:php-general@lists.php.net>
Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP and Powershell

Hi,

Although this is more powershell related than PHP...

When Powershell returns an object, you can pipe the output through 
Select-Object to get only certain object properties.

To better answer your question:
First, why do you specify ComputerName as 127.0.0.1 if the credential is 
already specified?
Also, perhaps it is easier to create a .ps1 file that you run, especially for 
readability.

HTH

Wh

Kind regards/met vriendelijke groet,

Serge Fonville

http://www.sergefonville.nl

Convince Microsoft!
They need to add TRUNCATE PARTITION in SQL Server
https://connect.microsoft.com/SQLServer/feedback/details/417926/truncate-partition-of-partitioned-table

2013/7/18 Alan Loos mailto:alan.l...@genco.com>>
Good morning everyone,
  First time posting in here, although I've been listening in for a few weeks 
now.
So this one has got me stumped, I am fairly new to PHP but I cannot seem to 
Google through this one.
I cannot figure out how to 'exclude' PSComputerName and RunspaceId,

Re: [PHP] PHP and Powershell

[Serge Fonville]

How have you determined that invoke-command requires -computername?

Kind regards/met vriendelijke groet,

Serge Fonville

http://www.sergefonville.nl

Convince Microsoft!
They need to add TRUNCATE PARTITION in SQL Server
https://connect.microsoft.com/SQLServer/feedback/details/417926/truncate-partition-of-partitioned-table


2013/7/19 Alan Loos 

>  Thank you for your response Serge!
>
>   The computer name  is for the invoke-command, ComputerName has to be
> specified to tell the computer where the command is to be routed. Since I
> want this to run locally over PHP I figured that it would be a good way to
> avoid running a script as I have read online that when it can be avoided
> it’s a good practice (I also couldn’t get this to work properly… J But
> that is a side note). The piece that outputs the extra RunSpaceID and the
> PSComputerName is the $_.Status portion of everything.
>
> ** **
>
> If someone knows how to cut it out that would be fine but really I just
> need to pull the Target Name and the Value from result. For the attached
> example it would be $IQNTarget = iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target1 and $Value
> = NotConnected (Which there are two options for this which is Connected or
> NotConnected).
>
> ** **
>
> To use Select Object here would I do Select-Object $Value?
>
> ** **
>
> *Alan Loos* | *Flash Anywhere Project*
>
> T 925-640-2977 | alan.l...@genco.com
>
> ** **
>
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail and the attachment(s) hereto (if any)
> contain confidential information that is privileged and intended only for
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> return e-mail.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Serge Fonville [mailto:serge.fonvi...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, July 19, 2013 3:05 AM
> *To:* Alan Loos
> *Cc:* php-general@lists.php.net
> *Subject:* Re: [PHP] PHP and Powershell
>
> ** **
>
> Hi,
>
> Although this is more powershell related than PHP...
>
> When Powershell returns an object, you can pipe the output through
> Select-Object to get only certain object properties.
>
> To better answer your question:
> First, why do you specify ComputerName as 127.0.0.1 if the credential is
> already specified?
> Also, perhaps it is easier to create a .ps1 file that you run, especially
> for readability.
>
> HTH
>
> Wh
>
> 
>
> Kind regards/met vriendelijke groet,
>
> ** **
>
> Serge Fonville
>
> ** **
>
> http://www.sergefonville.nl
>
> Convince Microsoft!
>
> They need to add TRUNCATE PARTITION in SQL Server
>
>
> https://connect.microsoft.com/SQLServer/feedback/details/417926/truncate-partition-of-partitioned-table
> 
>
> ** **
>
> 2013/7/18 Alan Loos 
>
> Good morning everyone,
>   First time posting in here, although I've been listening in for a few
> weeks now.
> So this one has got me stumped, I am fairly new to PHP but I cannot seem
> to Google through this one.
> I cannot figure out how to 'exclude' PSComputerName and RunspaceId, which
> is ultimately what I'm struggling with. Please see below for script snips
> and explanations.
>
> Also if there are any best practices you would recommend I'm open to it
> being that I am fairly new and self-taught to PHP scripting.
>
>
> I have a bit of code I've put together (as ugly as it is) as follows in
> line:
> 
>
> ###
> ## Variables ##
> ###
>
> $TargetName = "Target1";
> $login = "\$cred = New-Object System.Management.Automation.PSCredential
> -ArgumentList @('administra...@widget.com',(ConvertTo-SecureString
> -String 'MyPassword' -AsPlainText -Force))";
> $command = "Invoke-Command -computername 127.0.0.1 -credential \$cred
> -scriptblock {& Get-IscsiServerTarget -TargetName " . $TargetName . " | % {
> \$_.TargetIqn, \$_.Status}} -SessionOption (New-PSSessionOption
> -SkipCACheck -SkipCNCheck -SkipRevocationCheck)";
> $psCMD = "powershell -ExecutionPolicy Unrestricted -command \"$login;
> $command\" 
>
> 
> ## Variable Checking (For Debug Mode) ##
> 
>
> #echo "\$psCMD = $psCMD";
>
>
> 
> ## Run Script ##
> 
>
> exec($psCMD,$out);
>
>
> 
> ## Output

RE: [PHP] PHP and Powershell

[Alan Loos]

Thank you for your response Serge!
  The computer name  is for the invoke-command, ComputerName has to be 
specified to tell the computer where the command is to be routed. Since I want 
this to run locally over PHP I figured that it would be a good way to avoid 
running a script as I have read online that when it can be avoided it's a good 
practice (I also couldn't get this to work properly... :) But that is a side 
note). The piece that outputs the extra RunSpaceID and the PSComputerName is 
the $_.Status portion of everything.

If someone knows how to cut it out that would be fine but really I just need to 
pull the Target Name and the Value from result. For the attached example it 
would be $IQNTarget = iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target1 and $Value = NotConnected 
(Which there are two options for this which is Connected or NotConnected).

To use Select Object here would I do Select-Object $Value?

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From: Serge Fonville [mailto:serge.fonvi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 3:05 AM
To: Alan Loos
Cc: php-general@lists.php.net
Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP and Powershell

Hi,

Although this is more powershell related than PHP...

When Powershell returns an object, you can pipe the output through 
Select-Object to get only certain object properties.

To better answer your question:
First, why do you specify ComputerName as 127.0.0.1 if the credential is 
already specified?
Also, perhaps it is easier to create a .ps1 file that you run, especially for 
readability.

HTH

Wh

Kind regards/met vriendelijke groet,

Serge Fonville

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2013/7/18 Alan Loos mailto:alan.l...@genco.com>>
Good morning everyone,
  First time posting in here, although I've been listening in for a few weeks 
now.
So this one has got me stumped, I am fairly new to PHP but I cannot seem to 
Google through this one.
I cannot figure out how to 'exclude' PSComputerName and RunspaceId, which is 
ultimately what I'm struggling with. Please see below for script snips and 
explanations.

Also if there are any best practices you would recommend I'm open to it being 
that I am fairly new and self-taught to PHP scripting.


I have a bit of code I've put together (as ugly as it is) as follows in line:
mailto:administra...@widget.com>',(ConvertTo-SecureString
 -String 'MyPassword' -AsPlainText -Force))";
$command = "Invoke-Command -computername 127.0.0.1 -credential \$cred 
-scriptblock {& Get-IscsiServerTarget -TargetName " . $TargetName . " | % { 
\$_.TargetIqn, \$_.Status}} -SessionOption (New-PSSessionOption -SkipCACheck 
-SkipCNCheck -SkipRevocationCheck)";
$psCMD = "powershell -ExecutionPolicy Unrestricted -command \"$login; 
$command\" ');
print_r($out);
echo ('');


###
## End Of Script ##
###

echo "End Of Scene";

?>

The issue I have is that it feeds back:

Array
(
[0] => iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target1
[1] =>
[2] => PSComputerName RunspaceId Value
[3] => -- -- -
[4] => 127.0.0.1  52fb8b1b-8d8b-4eec-9419... NotConnected
[5] =>
[6] =>
)

End Of Scene

What I should see so I can then turn it into variables is what I run when I run 
the command straight through the local Powershell command prompt which would 
return:
PS C:\Users\administrator.WIDGET.000> Get-IscsiServerTarget | % { $_.TargetIqn, 
$_.Status}
iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target1
NotConnected
iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target2
NotConnected
iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target3
NotConnected
iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target4
Connected
iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target5
NotConnected
iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target6
NotConnected

I cannot figure out how to 'exclude' PSComputerName and RunspaceId

Sorry in advance for the wordy explanation.

Cheers!

Alan


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[PHP] PHP 5.5.1 is now available

[Julien Pauli]

Hello,

The PHP Development team would like to inform you the immediate
availability of PHP 5.5.1. All users are encouraged to upgrade their
version.
This release includes bug fixes as well as a security fix (Bug #65236).
For changes in PHP 5.5.1, please consult the PHP 5 ChangeLog.


Release Announcement:
http://www.php.net/release_5_5_1.php
Downloads:http://www.php.net/downloads.php#v5.5
Changelog:
http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php#5.5.
1

regards,

Julien Pauli & David Soria Parra

Re: [PHP] PHP and Powershell

[Serge Fonville]

Hi,

Although this is more powershell related than PHP...

When Powershell returns an object, you can pipe the output through
Select-Object to get only certain object properties.

To better answer your question:
First, why do you specify ComputerName as 127.0.0.1 if the credential is
already specified?
Also, perhaps it is easier to create a .ps1 file that you run, especially
for readability.

HTH

Wh

Kind regards/met vriendelijke groet,

Serge Fonville

http://www.sergefonville.nl

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They need to add TRUNCATE PARTITION in SQL Server
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2013/7/18 Alan Loos 

> Good morning everyone,
>   First time posting in here, although I've been listening in for a few
> weeks now.
> So this one has got me stumped, I am fairly new to PHP but I cannot seem
> to Google through this one.
> I cannot figure out how to 'exclude' PSComputerName and RunspaceId, which
> is ultimately what I'm struggling with. Please see below for script snips
> and explanations.
>
> Also if there are any best practices you would recommend I'm open to it
> being that I am fairly new and self-taught to PHP scripting.
>
>
> I have a bit of code I've put together (as ugly as it is) as follows in
> line:
> 
>
> ###
> ## Variables ##
> ###
>
> $TargetName = "Target1";
> $login = "\$cred = New-Object System.Management.Automation.PSCredential
> -ArgumentList @('administra...@widget.com',(ConvertTo-SecureString
> -String 'MyPassword' -AsPlainText -Force))";
> $command = "Invoke-Command -computername 127.0.0.1 -credential \$cred
> -scriptblock {& Get-IscsiServerTarget -TargetName " . $TargetName . " | % {
> \$_.TargetIqn, \$_.Status}} -SessionOption (New-PSSessionOption
> -SkipCACheck -SkipCNCheck -SkipRevocationCheck)";
> $psCMD = "powershell -ExecutionPolicy Unrestricted -command \"$login;
> $command\" 
>
> 
> ## Variable Checking (For Debug Mode) ##
> 
>
> #echo "\$psCMD = $psCMD";
>
>
> 
> ## Run Script ##
> 
>
> exec($psCMD,$out);
>
>
> 
> ## Output ##
> 
>
> echo ('');
> print_r($out);
> echo ('');
>
>
> ###
> ## End Of Script ##
> ###
>
> echo "End Of Scene";
>
> ?>
>
> The issue I have is that it feeds back:
>
> Array
> (
> [0] => iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target1
> [1] =>
> [2] => PSComputerName RunspaceId Value
> [3] => -- -- -
> [4] => 127.0.0.1  52fb8b1b-8d8b-4eec-9419...
> NotConnected
> [5] =>
> [6] =>
> )
>
> End Of Scene
>
> What I should see so I can then turn it into variables is what I run when
> I run the command straight through the local Powershell command prompt
> which would return:
> PS C:\Users\administrator.WIDGET.000> Get-IscsiServerTarget | % {
> $_.TargetIqn, $_.Status}
> iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target1
> NotConnected
> iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target2
> NotConnected
> iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target3
> NotConnected
> iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target4
> Connected
> iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target5
> NotConnected
> iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target6
> NotConnected
>
> I cannot figure out how to 'exclude' PSComputerName and RunspaceId
>
> Sorry in advance for the wordy explanation.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Alan
>
>
> Please make note of my new email address: alan.l...@genco.com.
>
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[PHP] PHP and Powershell

[Alan Loos]

Good morning everyone,
  First time posting in here, although I've been listening in for a few weeks 
now.
So this one has got me stumped, I am fairly new to PHP but I cannot seem to 
Google through this one.
I cannot figure out how to 'exclude' PSComputerName and RunspaceId, which is 
ultimately what I'm struggling with. Please see below for script snips and 
explanations.

Also if there are any best practices you would recommend I'm open to it being 
that I am fairly new and self-taught to PHP scripting.


I have a bit of code I've put together (as ugly as it is) as follows in line:
');
print_r($out);
echo ('');


###
## End Of Script ##
###

echo "End Of Scene";

?>

The issue I have is that it feeds back:

Array
(
[0] => iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target1
[1] =>
[2] => PSComputerName RunspaceId Value
[3] => -- -- -
[4] => 127.0.0.1  52fb8b1b-8d8b-4eec-9419... NotConnected
[5] =>
[6] =>
)

End Of Scene

What I should see so I can then turn it into variables is what I run when I run 
the command straight through the local Powershell command prompt which would 
return:
PS C:\Users\administrator.WIDGET.000> Get-IscsiServerTarget | % { $_.TargetIqn, 
$_.Status}
iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target1
NotConnected
iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target2
NotConnected
iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target3
NotConnected
iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target4
Connected
iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target5
NotConnected
iqn.2013-04.com.widget:Target6
NotConnected

I cannot figure out how to 'exclude' PSComputerName and RunspaceId

Sorry in advance for the wordy explanation.

Cheers!

Alan


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[PHP] PHP 5.3.27 Released - PHP 5.3 Reaching End of Life

[Johannes Schlüter]

The PHP development team announces the immediate availability of PHP
5.3.27. About 10 bugs were fixed, including a security fix in the XML
parser (Bug #65236).

Please Note: This will be the last regular release of the PHP 5.3
series. All users of PHP are encouraged to upgrade to PHP 5.4 or PHP
5.5. The PHP 5.3 series will receive only security fixes for the next
year.

For source downloads of PHP 5.3.27 please visit our downloads page on
, Windows binaries can be found on
. The list of changes is recorded in
the ChangeLog on . 

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[PHP] PHP 5.4.17 released!

[Stas Malyshev]

Hello!

The PHP development team announces the immediate availability of PHP
5.4.17. About 20 bugs were fixed. All users of PHP are encouraged to
upgrade to this release.

For source downloads of PHP 5.4.17 please visit our
downloads page: http://www.php.net/downloads.php

Windows binaries can be found on windows.php.net/download/

The list of changes are recorded in the ChangeLog:
http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php#5.4.17

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[PHP] php, openssl and GOST ciphers - problem with GOST R 34.10-2001

[Eugene M. Zheganin]

Hi.

So, back to the GOST ciphers problem. This is kinda a long story.
Basically, there's tow sides of it. On one side there's a lack of
OPENSSL_config() calls in ext/openssl/openssl.c.
On the other hand, there's also a curl, which is also linked to Openssl.
In case you want any encryption, you will probably want to use both
modules, for obvious reasons. Curl (in this case - the upstream curl)
also lacks OPENSSL_config() calls, so one would think he should add
OPENSSL_config() call in every place. This isn't correct, because being
called sequentlially, this leads to openssl initialization error, so
OPENSSL_config() call should be called once, and it should be called in
the module that is loaded first. In case you are using curl AND openssl,
this definitely is curl module, because openssl initialization is done
in the upstream library. Considering this, no curl/openssl modification
is needed in PHP distribution, - you can patch curl upstream
distribution by the method described above, and use GOST ciphers. In
case you aren't using curl, you need to patch the openssl module in it's
code.

Curl guys are aware of the problem, but they don't want to make things
even worse, so they decided to do nothing at this moment:
http://sourceforge.net/p/curl/bugs/1208/ .

So, why am I writing all of this ? Because I have next problem. I have a
patched curl, php linked with it, fresh openssl with GOST ciphers and
one of the ciphers not accessible by php: this is GOST R 34.10-2001 cipher.

Here's what  I have:

/usr/local/openssl/bin/openssl ciphers aGOST01
GOST2001-GOST89-GOST89:GOST2001-NULL-GOST94

(so, openssl has it, according to is manual - "aGOST01 - cipher suites
using GOST R 34.10-2001 authentication.")

Curl also has it:

/usr/local/curl/bin/curl --engine gost --ciphers GOST2001-GOST89-GOST89
https://google.com
curl: (35) error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3
alert handshake failure

I got a failure, but when the non-existent cipher suite is used, the
error is different:

/usr/local/curl/bin/curl --engine gost --ciphers GOST2001-GOST89-GOST666
https://google.com
curl: (59) failed setting cipher list

So, openssl has it, curl has it, but for some reason php doesn't.
openssl_get_md_methods() shows a couple of GOST digest but not GOST R
34.11-94:

array(30) {
  [0]=>
  string(3) "DSA"
  [1]=>
  string(7) "DSA-SHA"
  [2]=>
  string(17) "GOST 28147-89 MAC"
  [3]=>
  string(15) "GOST R 34.11-94"
  [4]=>
  string(3) "MD4"
  [5]=>
  string(3) "MD5"
  [6]=>
  string(4) "MDC2"
  [7]=>
  string(9) "RIPEMD160"
  [8]=>
  string(3) "SHA"
  [9]=>
  string(4) "SHA1"
  [10]=>
  string(6) "SHA224"
  [11]=>
  string(6) "SHA256"
  [12]=>
  string(6) "SHA384"
  [13]=>
  string(6) "SHA512"
  [14]=>
  string(13) "dsaEncryption"
  [15]=>
  string(10) "dsaWithSHA"
  [16]=>
  string(15) "ecdsa-with-SHA1"
  [17]=>
  string(8) "gost-mac"
  [18]=>
  string(3) "md4"
  [19]=>
  string(3) "md5"
  [20]=>
  string(9) "md_gost94"
  [21]=>
  string(4) "mdc2"
  [22]=>
  string(9) "ripemd160"
  [23]=>
  string(3) "sha"
  [24]=>
  string(4) "sha1"
  [25]=>
  string(6) "sha224"
  [26]=>
  string(6) "sha256"
  [27]=>
  string(6) "sha384"
  [28]=>
  string(6) "sha512"
  [29]=>
  string(9) "whirlpool"
}


Why ? How to investigate it ?
Thanks.

Eugene.

Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] [PHP] PHP 5.5.0 final has been released!

[Daniel]

I hope this will get people like WordPress to get up and support
mysqli out of the box. going to cause big issues if they don't.






On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Martin Amps  wrote:
> I second this - great to see both finally available. Fantastic release!
>
> Martin Amps | CIO
> www.iCracked.com
> iCracked | Redwood City, CA
>
> On Jun 21, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Julian  wrote:
>
>> Awesome work and the new design for the php.net website is also nice ;)
>>
>> Am 20.06.2013, 23:22 Uhr, schrieb Julien Pauli :
>>
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> The PHP Development Team would like to announce the immediate release of
>>> PHP 5.5.0. This release includes a large number of new features and bug
>>> fixes.
>>>
>>> A separate release announcement is also available. For changes in PHP
>>> 5.5.0 since PHP 5.4, please consult the PHP 5 ChangeLog.
>>>
>>> Release Announcement: http://www.php.net/release_5_5_0.php
>>> Downloads:http://www.php.net/downloads.php#v5.5
>>> Changelog:http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php#5.5.0
>>>
>>> Thanks to all contributors that made this new version available.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> David Soria Parra & Julien Pauli
>>
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[PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] [PHP] PHP 5.5.0 final has been released!

[Martin Amps]

I second this - great to see both finally available. Fantastic release!

Martin Amps | CIO
www.iCracked.com
iCracked | Redwood City, CA

On Jun 21, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Julian  wrote:

> Awesome work and the new design for the php.net website is also nice ;)
> 
> Am 20.06.2013, 23:22 Uhr, schrieb Julien Pauli :
> 
>> Hello!
>> 
>> The PHP Development Team would like to announce the immediate release of
>> PHP 5.5.0. This release includes a large number of new features and bug
>> fixes.
>> 
>> A separate release announcement is also available. For changes in PHP
>> 5.5.0 since PHP 5.4, please consult the PHP 5 ChangeLog.
>> 
>> Release Announcement: http://www.php.net/release_5_5_0.php
>> Downloads:http://www.php.net/downloads.php#v5.5
>> Changelog:http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php#5.5.0
>> 
>> Thanks to all contributors that made this new version available.
>> 
>> regards,
>> 
>> David Soria Parra & Julien Pauli
> 
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Re: [PHP] PHP 5.5.0 final has been released!

[Julian]

Awesome work and the new design for the php.net website is also nice ;)

Am 20.06.2013, 23:22 Uhr, schrieb Julien Pauli :


Hello!

The PHP Development Team would like to announce the immediate release of
PHP 5.5.0. This release includes a large number of new features and bug
fixes.

A separate release announcement is also available. For changes in PHP
5.5.0 since PHP 5.4, please consult the PHP 5 ChangeLog.

Release Announcement: http://www.php.net/release_5_5_0.php
Downloads:http://www.php.net/downloads.php#v5.5
Changelog:http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php#5.5.0

Thanks to all contributors that made this new version available.

regards,

David Soria Parra & Julien Pauli


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[PHP] PHP 5.5.0 final has been released!

[Julien Pauli]

Hello!

The PHP Development Team would like to announce the immediate release of
PHP 5.5.0. This release includes a large number of new features and bug
fixes.

A separate release announcement is also available. For changes in PHP
5.5.0 since PHP 5.4, please consult the PHP 5 ChangeLog.

Release Announcement: http://www.php.net/release_5_5_0.php
Downloads:http://www.php.net/downloads.php#v5.5
Changelog:http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php#5.5.0

Thanks to all contributors that made this new version available.

regards,

David Soria Parra & Julien Pauli

[PHP] [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.27RC1 and 5.4.17RC1 Released for Testing!

[Johannes Schlüter]

Hi!

We've released PHP 5.3.27RC1 and 5.4.17RC1 which can be found here:

   5.3.27RC1:
   http://downloads.php.net/johannes/php-5.3.27RC1.tar.bz2
   http://downloads.php.net/johannes/php-5.3.27RC1.tar.gz

   5.4.17RC1:
   http://downloads.php.net/stas/php-5.4.17RC1.tar.bz2
   http://downloads.php.net/stas/php-5.4.17RC1.tar.gz

Windows binaries for both as always are at:
http://windows.php.net/qa/

These are release candidates for regular bugfix releases, the full list
of issues fixed can be found in the NEWS files. Please test and report
if anything is broken.

Mind that PHP 5.3.27 is supposed to be the last regular PHP 5.3 release
before entering in extended support providing security fixes only.
Please double check there is nothing broken in it.

If no critical issues are found in these RCs, the final versions will be
released in two weeks.

Regards,
Stas Malyshev  Johannes Schlüter
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[PHP] PHP 5.3.18RC1 and 5.4.8RC1 Released for Testing!

[Johannes Schlüter]

Hi!

We've released PHP 5.3.27RC1 and 5.4.17RC1 which can be found here:

   5.3.27RC1:
   http://downloads.php.net/johannes/php-5.3.27RC1.tar.bz2
   http://downloads.php.net/johannes/php-5.3.27RC1.tar.gz

   5.4.17RC1:
   http://downloads.php.net/stas/php-5.4.17RC1.tar.bz2
   http://downloads.php.net/stas/php-5.4.17RC1.tar.gz

Windows binaries for both as always are at:
http://windows.php.net/qa/

These are release candidates for regular bugfix releases, the full list
of issues fixed can be found in the NEWS files. Please test and report
if anything is broken.

Mind that PHP 5.3.27 is supposed to be the last regular PHP 5.3 release
before entering in extended support providing security fixes only.
Please double check there is nothing broken in it.

If no critical issues are found in these RCs, the final versions will be
released in two weeks.

Regards,
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Re: AW: AW: [PHP] PHP is Zero

[Tamara Temple]

BUSCHKE Daniel  wrote:
> Why is PHP doing that? I know it works as designed and I know it is
> documented like this but that does not mean that it is a good feature,
> does it? So lets talk about the question: Is that behaviour awaited by
> PHP software developers? Is that really the way PHP should work here?
> May we should change that?!

If you've been using PHP since 2000, you probably well know all the
rants there are about how terrible PHP is as a language; this is one of
the big ones people always mention.

An analog to your statement above is "This screwdriver is absolute
*bollux* at pounding in nails! Maybe we should change that!?". (In point
of fact, PHP can be seen as a screwdriver that is *astoundingly* capable
of pounding in nails, so the analogy is in kind only, not in fact. In
real fact, PHP is a programmer's wealthy toolkit; not complete by any
means, but tools that will work for most things, *when you know how to
use them*.)

I don't know the reasons why; it's moot to me. The designers of PHP
chose to go that route, it's up to me as a developer to know how the
language works. If I'm insufficiently able to use it without throwing
errors, or without realizing my code is throwing errors, perhaps it
isn't the language's fault, but mine to learn to adapt to it's
quirks. If I am sufficiently fed up with having to adapt to it's quirks,
Then I will find another language to use.

Now, that said, PHP is often some people's first programming language,
and that, IMO, is a serious problem. PHP is full of these sorts of
things that may not help a newbie learn proper software development
skills. I love that people can teach themselves to program; I wouldn't
want to take that away from anyone. And sometimes that leads to
problems, too. Eventually they'll learn, and get better, or they won't,
and probably not make much of a living at it if that's their desire.

When I came up, I was learning how to program in two languages at the
same time (not mixed in the same program; alternating): Pascal and
Lisp. There really could not be two more different languages (and this
was before anyone thought about OO as an actual thing rather than some
loosely associated concepts.) Pascal being strongly typed, Lisp having
no types and no distinction between code and data. I actually learned a
hella lot more working in Lisp than I did working in Pascal. (Not the
least of which was how to make my TAs scratch their heads in confusion.)
But that may just be me, and since it may just be me, I'm not about to
suggest it to anyone else.

Now, the question here may be merely academic (read: somewhat
interesting, but not really that practical). If it is not, however, this
isn't the right forum. Take your question to -dev and see what they
think. I am personally not interested in such a change to the language
at this point. It's bad enough when they roll to a new major release
breaking backwards compatibility. The anger and invective goes on for
years; people quit using PHP altogether because of such things and hold
grudges for years and years.

> Regards
> Daniel


Cheers,
   tamouse__

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Re: AW: [PHP] PHP is Zero

[Matijn Woudt]

On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:49 PM, BUSCHKE Daniel <
daniel.busc...@nextiraone.eu> wrote:

> To be more technical:
>
> If intval('8315e839da08e2a7afe6dd12ec58245d') would return NULL instead of
> 8315 then PHP would be still weak-typed and the developer could know that
> the conversion failed. Good idea? Of course NULL should be transparent in
> operations like +. So 0 + NULL should be still 0.
>
> Regards
> Daniel
>
>
It would just break too much. I see lots of scripts that have things like
this:

$var = '12 beers';

echo $var + 4;

and they expect it to be 16 of course.

Or what about badly trimmed strings, when reading from a file it can
include extra line endings and it's so much easier to just ignore that
because PHP will convert it just fine.

- Matijn

Re: [PHP] PHP is Zero

[Samuel Lopes Grigolato]

Just found out that MySQL uses the same implicit conversion precedence on
SQL clauses. That shows me that possibly exists some "higher order" rule
that states this consistency, and changing that is outside the scope of PHP.


On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Stuart Dallas  wrote:

> On 13 Jun 2013, at 12:27, BUSCHKE Daniel 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> >> It gives up when it finds a non-numeric character (as the documentation
> would tell you)
> >
> > Why is PHP doing that? I know it works as designed and I know it is
> documented like this but that does not mean that it is a good feature, does
> it? So lets talk about the question: Is that behaviour awaited by PHP
> software developers? Is that really the way PHP should work here? May we
> should change that?!
> >
> > BTW: I talked to some collegues and friends since my first post. They
> all guessed that "'PHP' == 0" is false within a few seconds. I think the
> weak-typed-PHP is a little to weak at this point.
>
> I don't know what the actual reasoning is; if you want that I suggest you
> ask on the internals list, but be careful how you phrase the question. If
> it's pure curiosity then that's fine, but whether you agree with the
> reasoning or not it's gone way past the point where it can be changed.
>
> My take it that the behaviour is perfectly reasonable. When you compare
> two different types it has to convert one of them. If you're comparing a
> string to a number it seems logical to me that the number should be the
> preferred type, so the string gets converted. What would you expect
> array(5) == 5 to give you? Would you expect the 5 to be converted in to an
> array? No. The reason it looks odd for "PHP" == 0 is that there's no reason
> why the 0 should not be converted to "0", except that strings and numbers
> are not the only types available and there has to be an order of
> precedence. And consistency is key.
>
> As for how strings get converted to numbers I have no idea why it will
> take everything up to the first non-e|E|. character. The documentation[1]
> simply states the behaviour and doesn't go in to why. However, I have to
> ask why it matters? Why would you want to convert
> '8315e839da08e2a7afe6dd12ec58245d' to an integer? If you have code that's
> juggling it automatically, be more explicit. It's fine to be interested in
> the reasons why it does what it does, but if it's causing you problems then
> the issue is with your code not being explicit enough, not PHP.
>
> -Stuart
>
> [1] http://php.net/language.types.string#language.types.string.conversion
>
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Re: [PHP] PHP is Zero

[Stuart Dallas]

On 13 Jun 2013, at 12:27, BUSCHKE Daniel  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
>> It gives up when it finds a non-numeric character (as the documentation 
>> would tell you)
> 
> Why is PHP doing that? I know it works as designed and I know it is 
> documented like this but that does not mean that it is a good feature, does 
> it? So lets talk about the question: Is that behaviour awaited by PHP 
> software developers? Is that really the way PHP should work here? May we 
> should change that?!
> 
> BTW: I talked to some collegues and friends since my first post. They all 
> guessed that "'PHP' == 0" is false within a few seconds. I think the 
> weak-typed-PHP is a little to weak at this point.

I don't know what the actual reasoning is; if you want that I suggest you ask 
on the internals list, but be careful how you phrase the question. If it's pure 
curiosity then that's fine, but whether you agree with the reasoning or not 
it's gone way past the point where it can be changed.

My take it that the behaviour is perfectly reasonable. When you compare two 
different types it has to convert one of them. If you're comparing a string to 
a number it seems logical to me that the number should be the preferred type, 
so the string gets converted. What would you expect array(5) == 5 to give you? 
Would you expect the 5 to be converted in to an array? No. The reason it looks 
odd for "PHP" == 0 is that there's no reason why the 0 should not be converted 
to "0", except that strings and numbers are not the only types available and 
there has to be an order of precedence. And consistency is key.

As for how strings get converted to numbers I have no idea why it will take 
everything up to the first non-e|E|. character. The documentation[1] simply 
states the behaviour and doesn't go in to why. However, I have to ask why it 
matters? Why would you want to convert '8315e839da08e2a7afe6dd12ec58245d' to an 
integer? If you have code that's juggling it automatically, be more explicit. 
It's fine to be interested in the reasons why it does what it does, but if it's 
causing you problems then the issue is with your code not being explicit 
enough, not PHP.

-Stuart

[1] http://php.net/language.types.string#language.types.string.conversion

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Re: AW: [PHP] PHP is Zero

[Samuel Lopes Grigolato]

I agree with you that this is a confusing and error-prone behavior, but I
also agree with Richard Gray, I wouldn't try to change this for the same
reason that a "1+1=3" shouldn't be touched if it's "correct" on a huge
amount of existing codebases...



On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:49 AM, BUSCHKE Daniel <
daniel.busc...@nextiraone.eu> wrote:

> To be more technical:
>
> If intval('8315e839da08e2a7afe6dd12ec58245d') would return NULL instead of
> 8315 then PHP would be still weak-typed and the developer could know that
> the conversion failed. Good idea? Of course NULL should be transparent in
> operations like +. So 0 + NULL should be still 0.
>
> Regards
> Daniel
>
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: BUSCHKE Daniel
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Juni 2013 13:28
> An: 'Pete Ford'; php-general@lists.php.net
> Betreff: AW: AW: [PHP] PHP is Zero
>
> Hi,
>
> > It gives up when it finds a non-numeric character (as the documentation
> would tell you)
>
> Why is PHP doing that? I know it works as designed and I know it is
> documented like this but that does not mean that it is a good feature, does
> it? So lets talk about the question: Is that behaviour awaited by PHP
> software developers? Is that really the way PHP should work here? May we
> should change that?!
>
> BTW: I talked to some collegues and friends since my first post. They all
> guessed that "'PHP' == 0" is false within a few seconds. I think the
> weak-typed-PHP is a little to weak at this point.
>
> Regards
> Daniel
>
>
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