[PHP] Re: [PHP-XML-DEV] DomXPath and default XML namespaces
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Dan Phiffer wrote: > Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg wrote: > > > This is an XPath FAQ. Without a ns prefix, XPath doesn't choose > > elements living in the default ns, but ones living in no namespace. > > Are there any good references you might point me to? I'm pretty new to > this stuff and beyond my "in a Nutshell" book don't have many places to > consult yet. Nothing good I can think of off hand besides the spec. That's really the only tricky XPath gotcha, however. -adam -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.trachtenberg.com author of o'reilly's "upgrading to php 5" and "php cookbook" avoid the holiday rush, buy your copies today! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [PHP-XML-DEV] DomXPath and default XML namespaces
Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg wrote: This is an XPath FAQ. Without a ns prefix, XPath doesn't choose elements living in the default ns, but ones living in no namespace. Are there any good references you might point me to? I'm pretty new to this stuff and beyond my "in a Nutshell" book don't have many places to consult yet. > what happens to: And /root/foo/qxx? Do you select qxx in the default ns? Or not? -adam That makes perfect sense. I'm realizing that XPaths are not as portable as I thought they were. At least not without some way of converting element prefixes easily... Thanks, -Dan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [PHP-XML-DEV] DomXPath and default XML namespaces
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, Dan Phiffer wrote: > I guess what I would expect to work is to allow for blank values as the > first argument to registerNamespace, representing the default namespace, > but that causes the queries to always return no matches. Is there > something I'm missing with this? This is an XPath FAQ. Without a ns prefix, XPath doesn't choose elements living in the default ns, but ones living in no namespace. Otherwise, you have problems with: What would /root/foo be, the first, the second, both? And if this example is resolvable, what happens to: And /root/foo/qxx? Do you select qxx in the default ns? Or not? -adam -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.trachtenberg.com author of o'reilly's "upgrading to php 5" and "php cookbook" avoid the holiday rush, buy your copies today! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [PHP-XML-DEV] DomXPath and default XML namespaces
On 14.12.2004 6:45 Uhr, Dan Phiffer wrote: Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg wrote: This is an XPath FAQ. Without a ns prefix, XPath doesn't choose elements living in the default ns, but ones living in no namespace. Are there any good references you might point me to? I'm pretty new to this stuff and beyond my "in a Nutshell" book don't have many places to consult yet. > what happens to: And /root/foo/qxx? Do you select qxx in the default ns? Or not? -adam That makes perfect sense. I'm realizing that XPaths are not as portable as I thought they were. At least not without some way of converting element prefixes easily... You just have to learn that prefixes are just aliases to the real namespaces, then you're fine. Don't count on prefixes, they itself are meaninngless. And always use registerNamespace() for all namespaces you need in the XPath query. Then XPath is very portable. chregu Thanks, -Dan -- christian stocker | Bitflux GmbH | schoeneggstrasse 5 | ch-8004 zurich phone +41 1 240 56 70 | mobile +41 76 561 88 60 | fax +41 1 240 56 71 http://www.bitflux.ch | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | gnupg-keyid 0x5CE1DECB -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [PHP-XML-DEV] Re: [PHP] PHP5: ext/dom - set namespace of node manually
From: Vivian Steller
> i now can use the following syntax to set the namespaceUri of a node:
>
> $element = new DomElement("tagname", "value",
"http://namespaceUri";);
> // or
> $element = new DomElement("pref:tagname", "value",
"http://namespaceUri";);
> // works as well
> ?>
Your point for adding this was well made (as well as others expressing the
same view), so support has been added to the DomElement constructor. as well
as the examples above, to create a node with no value in a namespace:
$element = new DomElement("pref:tagname", NULL, "http://namespaceUri";);
Note: There will be no further additional dom features added for 5.0. This
was an exception due to its usefulness in functionality.
Rob
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[PHP] Re: [PHP-XML-DEV] PHP5: ext/dom: Namespace & Prefix unexpected behavior
> I thought that setting $root->prefix will set the prefix and the > namespaceUri to the other domain... but it seems to me that the parser > doesn't see the "xmlns:anotherprefix" as a prefix-declaration? > maybe i just misunderstood something, so please correct me if so. The current behavior is wrong (fix currently being discussed), however your expectations are also incorrect. Setting the prefix does not change a nodes namespace uri. Once a node is created, it is permanently bound to the namespace URI (per specs). Changing the prefix only changes the prefix of the current namespace on that element, which may result in a new namespace definition on that node (if namespace is inherited) or it may fail as in your case there would be namespace collision due to 2 namespaces with the same prefix (which imo should error out rather than allow it). Rob -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [PHP-XML-DEV] Re: [PHP] PHP5: ext/dom - set namespace of node manually
Rob Richards wrote:
> From: Christian Stocker
>
>> > $node->setAttributeNS("http://www.w3.org/2000/xmlns/";, "xmlns:b",
>> > "http://www.somedomain.de/";);
>> >
>
>> IMHO, that would be very confusing.
>>
>> I liked the idea by vivian with a third optional namespaceURI argument
>> for the element object, so that at least you can use your own extended
>> classes for that.
>>
>> And maybe we still need a ->setNamespaceURI method, even if W3C didnt
>> think of that ;)
>
> After thinking about it some more I started to think about it the same
> way. One can always then use $node->prefix = "xyz" to set the prefix (if
> needed) for the initial namespace delcaration.
> It probably has to wait until 5.1 though since its so close to the
> release.
>
> Rob
first of all, thanks for your interests...
i tried my self in extending your code - i'm really no C programmer, just
copy&pasted it (poor to say that, sorry:), but it seems to work.
i now can use the following syntax to set the namespaceUri of a node:
http://namespaceUri";);
// or
$element = new DomElement("pref:tagname", "value", "http://namespaceUri";);
// works as well
?>
here is the diff output:
--- ./element_original.c2004-02-15 15:08:52.0 +0100
+++ ./element.c 2004-02-17 20:53:35.0 +0100
@@ -64,11 +64,14 @@
zval *id;
xmlNodePtr nodep = NULL, oldnode = NULL;
+ xmlNsPtr nsptr = NULL;
dom_object *intern;
- char *name, *value = NULL;
- int name_len, value_len = 0;
+ char *name, *value = NULL, *uri = NULL;
+ char *localname = NULL, *prefix = NULL;
+ int name_len, value_len = 0, uri_len = 0;
+ int errorcode;
- if (zend_parse_method_parameters(ZEND_NUM_ARGS() TSRMLS_CC, getThis(),
"Os|s", &id, dom_element_class_entry, &name, &name_len, &value, &value_len)
== FAILURE) {
+ if (zend_parse_method_parameters(ZEND_NUM_ARGS() TSRMLS_CC, getThis(),
"Os|ss", &id, dom_element_class_entry, &name, &name_len, &value,
&value_len, &uri, &uri_len) == FAILURE) {
return;
}
@@ -77,15 +80,49 @@
RETURN_FALSE;
}
- nodep = xmlNewNode(NULL, (xmlChar *) name);
+ //
+
+ errorcode = dom_check_qname(name, &localname, &prefix, uri_len, name_len);
+
+ if (errorcode == 0) {
+ nodep = xmlNewNode(NULL, (xmlChar *) localname);
+
+ if (!nodep)
+ RETURN_FALSE;
+
+ if (value_len > 0) {
+ xmlNodeSetContentLen(nodep, value, value_len);
+ }
+ // nodep = xmlNewDocNode (docp, NULL, localname, NULL);
+ if (nodep != NULL && uri != NULL) {
+ nsptr = xmlSearchNsByHref (nodep->doc, nodep, uri);
+ if (nsptr == NULL) {
+ nsptr = dom_get_ns(nodep, uri, &errorcode, prefix);
+ }
+ xmlSetNs(nodep, nsptr);
+ }
+ }
- if (!nodep)
+ xmlFree(localname);
+ if (prefix != NULL) {
+ xmlFree(prefix);
+ }
+
+ if (errorcode != 0) {
+ if (nodep != NULL) {
+ xmlFreeNode(nodep);
+ }
+ php_dom_throw_error(errorcode, dom_get_strict_error(intern->document)
TSRMLS_CC);
RETURN_FALSE;
+ }
- if (value_len > 0) {
- xmlNodeSetContentLen(nodep, value, value_len);
+ if (nodep == NULL) {
+ RETURN_FALSE;
}
+
+ nodep->ns = nsptr;
+ //
intern = (dom_object *)zend_object_store_get_object(id TSRMLS_CC);
if (intern != NULL) {
oldnode = (xmlNodePtr)intern->ptr;
@@ -97,8 +134,8 @@
}
/* }}} end dom_element_element */
-/* {{{ proto tagName string
-readonly=yes
+/* {{{ proto tagName string
+readonly=yes
URL: http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-DOM-Level-3-Core-20030226
DOM3-Core.html#core-ID-104682815
Since:
*/
as you said it's close to the release and i won't bring you into trouble,
but maybe you can take a short time to look if i had made some heavy
errors...
MANY MANY THANKS in advance,
best regards
vivian
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[PHP] Re: [PHP-XML-DEV] Re: [PHP] PHP5: ext/dom - set namespace of node manually
From: Christian Stocker
> > $node->setAttributeNS("http://www.w3.org/2000/xmlns/";, "xmlns:b",
> > "http://www.somedomain.de/";);
> >
> IMHO, that would be very confusing.
>
> I liked the idea by vivian with a third optional namespaceURI argument
> for the element object, so that at least you can use your own extended
> classes for that.
>
> And maybe we still need a ->setNamespaceURI method, even if W3C didnt
> think of that ;)
After thinking about it some more I started to think about it the same way.
One can always then use $node->prefix = "xyz" to set the prefix (if needed)
for the initial namespace delcaration.
It probably has to wait until 5.1 though since its so close to the release.
Rob
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[PHP] Re: [PHP-XML-DEV] Re: [PHP] PHP5: ext/dom - set namespace of node manually
On 2/16/04 12:07 PM, Rob Richards wrote:
Porting the setNamespace function to PHP5 would be nice. Another solution
could be the possibility to append a namespace-node (is the
domnamespacenode class currently used by any functions?) or the
setAttribute checks wether some "xmlns"/"xmlns:" attribute is set and
updates namespaceUri itself... would be more W3C standard compliant.
The namespace node isnt really used with any functions. It is also a
"special" node as its not a standard node type in libxml.
Via the specs, it doesnt really exist, but it can be returned via xpath,
which is why dom manipulates the libxml namespace into a returnable type,
which a few of the properties are allowed to work with it (otherwise either
dom would either have to prevent xpath from returning it or let the system
crash when its returned - neither of these options was acceptable - thus
this special node).
As far as setAttributeNS goes. This function actually does do checks,
however it doesnt put the element into the current namespace (which possibly
may be a logic bug - namespaces internally are so damned confusing).
Using the syntax:
$node->setAttributeNS("http://www.w3.org/2000/xmlns/";, "xmlns:b",
"http://www.somedomain.de/";);
This sets the definition on the element but doesnt put that node into the
namespace, it just puts the namespace into the scope of the node, so that
elements added with createelementns and appended as children of $node can be
placed within the namespace and would be prefixed with "b".
Now here is the question, if a namespace is not associated on the element at
that point, should the above set the element into the new namespace? (Easy
enough to implement, but really have no clue if this is the proper logic or
not). Any namespace gurus around here?
IMHO, that would be very confusing.
I liked the idea by vivian with a third optional namespaceURI argument
for the element object, so that at least you can use your own extended
classes for that.
And maybe we still need a ->setNamespaceURI method, even if W3C didnt
think of that ;)
chregu
Rob
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[PHP] Re: [PHP-XML-DEV] Re: [PHP] PHP5: ext/dom - set namespace of node manually
> Porting the setNamespace function to PHP5 would be nice. Another solution
> could be the possibility to append a namespace-node (is the
> domnamespacenode class currently used by any functions?) or the
> setAttribute checks wether some "xmlns"/"xmlns:" attribute is set and
> updates namespaceUri itself... would be more W3C standard compliant.
The namespace node isnt really used with any functions. It is also a
"special" node as its not a standard node type in libxml.
Via the specs, it doesnt really exist, but it can be returned via xpath,
which is why dom manipulates the libxml namespace into a returnable type,
which a few of the properties are allowed to work with it (otherwise either
dom would either have to prevent xpath from returning it or let the system
crash when its returned - neither of these options was acceptable - thus
this special node).
As far as setAttributeNS goes. This function actually does do checks,
however it doesnt put the element into the current namespace (which possibly
may be a logic bug - namespaces internally are so damned confusing).
Using the syntax:
$node->setAttributeNS("http://www.w3.org/2000/xmlns/";, "xmlns:b",
"http://www.somedomain.de/";);
This sets the definition on the element but doesnt put that node into the
namespace, it just puts the namespace into the scope of the node, so that
elements added with createelementns and appended as children of $node can be
placed within the namespace and would be prefixed with "b".
Now here is the question, if a namespace is not associated on the element at
that point, should the above set the element into the new namespace? (Easy
enough to implement, but really have no clue if this is the proper logic or
not). Any namespace gurus around here?
Rob
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[PHP] Re: [PHP-XML-DEV] Re: [PHP] PHP5: ext/dom - set namespace of node manually
Christian Stocker wrote:
> ...
> Vivian, it's not possible the set the namespace according to the W3C
> standard, except with createElementNS(). As Adam said, in PHP 4, there
> was the option set_namespace, which isn't ported to PHP5 (yet).
>
> Maybe we should port that function as well, to allow some deeper level
> manipulation of the namespaces...
>
> Currently, I don't have a solution to your problem, except porting
> setNamespace to PHP5...
>
> chregu
>
Porting the setNamespace function to PHP5 would be nice. Another solution
could be the possibility to append a namespace-node (is the
domnamespacenode class currently used by any functions?) or the
setAttribute checks wether some "xmlns"/"xmlns:" attribute is set and
updates namespaceUri itself... would be more W3C standard compliant.
without the functionality to set the namespace it will never be possible to
overwrite the createElementNS of domdocument, as the following example
shows:
setNamespace("http://...";);
// -> maybe you get into trouble with "NO MODIFICATION ALLOWED
ERROR"!!
//because node isn't appended
// or something like
$element->setAttributeNS("http://www.w3c.org/2000/xmlns";,
"xmlns",
"http://mydomain.de/";);
// -> maybe you get into trouble with "NO MODIFICATION ALLOWED
ERROR"!!
//because node isn't appended
return $element;
}
}
?>
i think because of the problems with the MODIFICATION ERRORS while node
isn't appended, it would be best if you could define the node-namespace
with the third argument of DomElement::__construct($name, $value, $uri =
"defaultUri")...
it would be VERY nice if you think about such solutions...
thanks a lot,
vivi
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[PHP] Re: [PHP-XML-DEV] Re: [PHP] PHP5: ext/dom - set namespace of node manually
On 2/16/04 1:24 AM, Adam Bregenzer wrote:
On Sun, 2004-02-15 at 19:04, Vivian Steller wrote:
As you can see it is impossible to set the namespace manually! I tried to
set it with the help of a DomNamespaceNode-object but those objects are no
"real" nodes (why!?!) and the consequence is that you couldn't append such
a node with $node->appendChild($domnamspacenode_object); ...
I am not sure if PHP 5 has many changes from PHP 4, however have you
tried calling set_namespace[1]?
$node->set_namespace('http://www.somedomain.de/');
[1] http://www.php.net/domnode-set-namespace
Vivian, it's not possible the set the namespace according to the W3C
standard, except with createElementNS(). As Adam said, in PHP 4, there
was the option set_namespace, which isn't ported to PHP5 (yet).
Maybe we should port that function as well, to allow some deeper level
manipulation of the namespaces...
Currently, I don't have a solution to your problem, except porting
setNamespace to PHP5...
chregu
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[PHP] Re: PHP, XML, UTF-8
Answer: Multi-Byte String Functions. You could take a look at the function: string mb_convert_encoding ( string str, string to-encoding [, mixed from-encoding] ) You must have php_mbstring extension enabled in your php.ini file. Regards, Lucian COZMA "Russell P Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Im storing a lot of user-entered data in XML files but i have a problem > with folks submitting stuff just by copying and pasting from microsoft > word. "Smart Quotes" and other awkward text then gets submitted and ruins > the xml, meaning i am searching and replacing item by item to replace > stuff. > > Does anyone know how I could do this automatically, as in is there > anything that will convert a string to UTF-8 automatically > > ideally $fixed = convert-to-utf($oldmessedupstring) > > any ideas? Will CDATA sections allow non UTF-8 text? > > Russ Jones -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: PHP, XML, UTF-8
Hello, On 12/08/2003 04:37 PM, Russell P Jones wrote: Im storing a lot of user-entered data in XML files but i have a problem with folks submitting stuff just by copying and pasting from microsoft word. "Smart Quotes" and other awkward text then gets submitted and ruins the xml, meaning i am searching and replacing item by item to replace stuff. Does anyone know how I could do this automatically, as in is there anything that will convert a string to UTF-8 automatically ideally $fixed = convert-to-utf($oldmessedupstring) any ideas? Will CDATA sections allow non UTF-8 text? There is the function utf8_encode() but if you want to generate XML, you may also want to try this class that performs whatever conversions you need: http://www.phpclasses.org/xmlwriter -- Regards, Manuel Lemos Free ready to use OOP components written in PHP http://www.phpclasses.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: PHP XML Reference
check out the book XML and PHP by Vikram Vaswani, News Riders; a well written and concise treatment of xml and php. David Eisenhart -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: PHP XML Reference
Hello, You will also might want to try the free Krysalis platform - it's designed from scratch for XML/XSL content publishing (a la Cocoon) and you will find it very useful for your goals. http://www.interakt.ro/products/Krysalis/ Alexnadru -- Alexandru COSTIN Chief Operating Officer http://www.interakt.ro/ +4021 411 2610 "Tim Funk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hi, > > I am new to PHP, however i have a good handle on C programming and therefore hope to apply those conceps to PHP programming quickly. I am looking for a print reference that can help me to construct a web-based front-end for an application using XML. Any help in this regard will bemuch appreciated. > > Thanks, > Tim > > > > - > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Php +Xml?
Hello James,
Your vision is very similar to ours.
You should take the Krysalis platform (LGPL) and give it a try. It's a
mature solution (similar to cocoon) for XML/XSL publishing, and allows you
to define the way requests are served, define the way dynamic XML trees are
created and then define how to add the presentation layer to them.
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"James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> There are distinct differences to parsing XML into your program and
> producing XML from your program.
>
> We use the following method's which are enabling us to create scalable
> systems with independent design from code.
> One of the clear reasons for using XML/XSLT is the seperation of data and
> design. If you imagine that your ecommerce application is working very
well
> and doesnt need changing but you have a new client who wants the system in
> thier design. Usually, there will come a point where you have to change
> hardcoded design elements within your ecommerce application - and if the
> design is radically different you will need to do conditional statements
to
> determine which design to use - a real pain. More importantly your
playing
> with your engine (code) when in fact all you really wanted to do was put
on
> some new alloys! :-) It's boring, time consuming and often results in
*
> up code.
>
> If you take the XML and XSLT path you instantly change your method. Your
> ecommerce application only EVER spews out XML. That's it's purpose in
> life - it has it's business rules and it's resulting output and design is
> never a factor. The XSLT style sheets are used to implement the XML into
a
> valid document usable by humans. In essence you can now have a 1000
> independent designs which never require a single code change in your main
> commerce app. Taking it further you can employ your xsl sheets to spew
out
> WML, CSV, XML etc etc. Simply, your have reached a true data and design
> independence.
>
> Added to this you can offer third parties an industry standard form of
data
> exchange. You can use multiple languages and know with confidence that
none
> of them have to understand each other. We are using this method very
> shortly to create a win32 application using the XML feed from our commerce
> engine. Eventually it will be used by our customer service team.
>
> >php are
> > insanely tedious to replicate in xsl :|
> >
>
> I totally disagree. Take the following:
>
> for ($i=0;$i<=10;$i++){
> echo "Hello";
> }
>
>
> Take the following in XSLT:
>
>
>
>
>
> They may be about the same in number of lines but the php app must be
> modified to create a different table type. It is true however that unless
> you need to something on a large scale these methods may be to much.
>
>
> James.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wot exactly does the xml parse do over sablot ? and what benfit do u get
> > xml'ing an entire site , where some processes which come easy to do in
php
> are
> > insanely tedious to replicate in xsl :|
> >
> > >= Original Message From "James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =
> > >There is nothing to install.
> > >
> > >By default php usually comes with XML parser methods - however if you
> want
> > >to invest time in running XSLT/XPATH styles against XML you need to
> install
> > >server side software such as Sablotron or Saxon. We run Sablotron and
> it's
> > >very good. We've also invested in Stylus Studio which is a good
xml/xslt
> > >development tool.
> > >
> > >I'm not really sure what you want to do so it's difficult to help you
> > >further.If you give a small idea of what it is you want to achieve
> then
> > >it might be easier to help you on your way.
> > >
> > >Jim.
> > >
> > >
> > >"Dhaval Desai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > >> Hello people,
> > >>
> > >> I want to start using Xml with php. How do I install xml on Apache
with
> > >Php?
> > >> I am running redhat 7.2,Apache 1.3.12 and php latest version.
> > >>
> > >> How do I install xml? I am totally new to Xmland want to start
> > >> somewhere...
> > >>
> > >> -Dhaval
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _
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> > >
> > >
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Re: [PHP] Re: Php +Xml?
Hello, DomXML is a large improvement over Sablot. If you take a close look at XML, you'll see that XML is used effectively with some technologies : SAX (Simple Api for XML), DOM (Document Object Modelling), XSL (Extensible styleshhet language). The DOMxml php extension (http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.domxml.php) is a wrapper for PHP usage of the libxml2 (xmlsoft.org) and libxslt1 (xmlsoft.org/XSLT) that helps you load XML files into DOM trees, manipulate them using standard DOM API and transform them using XSL (with a blazing speed, also). You should compile your PHP version with DOM support (we have some RPMS created for PHP with DOMXML support for Redhat 8.0, but they are not released yet to the public as they are experimental). I hope you have a better start now. Alexandru -- Alexandru COSTIN Chief Operating Officer http://www.interakt.ro/ +4021 411 2610 "Daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > what is domxml ? is it similar to sablot ? > >= Original Message From "Alexandru COSTIN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = > >Hello, > > > >> Hello people, > >> > >> I want to start using Xml with php. How do I install xml on Apache with > >Php? > >> I am running redhat 7.2,Apache 1.3.12 and php latest version. > >If you want to use SAX, you should already have it installed if you have > >compiled PHP with '--with-xml'. (BTW, have you compiled PHP yourself? - do > >you know how to compile PHP?). > > > >First of all you should upgrade to a newer apache, as as far as I know > >Apache 1.3.12 had some problem when ran with Sablotron (this would be needed > >if you will want to use XML with XSL transformations) > > > >Then you should use the domxml extension (add '--with-dom' > >'--with-dom-xslt' '--with-dom-exslt' to your configure patch when you are > >compiling PHP). After you compile PHP, you should have support for SAX, DOM > >and XSL transformations. > > > >And if you want a bootstrap to start using XMLs for content publishing, > >you should also look at Krysalis at > >http://www.interakt.ro/products/Krysalis/ > > > >Alexandru > > > >> > >> How do I install xml? I am totally new to Xmland want to start > >> somewhere... > >> > >> -Dhaval > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _ > >> MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > >> > > > > > > > > > >-- > >PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > >To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: Php +Xml?
try this parser, it would be useful. http://creaturesx.ma.cx/kxparse/ Regards, Khalid _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: Php +Xml?
what is domxml ? is it similar to sablot ? >= Original Message From "Alexandru COSTIN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >Hello, > >> Hello people, >> >> I want to start using Xml with php. How do I install xml on Apache with >Php? >> I am running redhat 7.2,Apache 1.3.12 and php latest version. >If you want to use SAX, you should already have it installed if you have >compiled PHP with '--with-xml'. (BTW, have you compiled PHP yourself? - do >you know how to compile PHP?). > >First of all you should upgrade to a newer apache, as as far as I know >Apache 1.3.12 had some problem when ran with Sablotron (this would be needed >if you will want to use XML with XSL transformations) > >Then you should use the domxml extension (add '--with-dom' >'--with-dom-xslt' '--with-dom-exslt' to your configure patch when you are >compiling PHP). After you compile PHP, you should have support for SAX, DOM >and XSL transformations. > >And if you want a bootstrap to start using XMLs for content publishing, >you should also look at Krysalis at >http://www.interakt.ro/products/Krysalis/ > >Alexandru > >> >> How do I install xml? I am totally new to Xmland want to start >> somewhere... >> >> -Dhaval >> >> >> >> >> >> _ >> MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus >> > > > > >-- >PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) >To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Php +Xml?
There are distinct differences to parsing XML into your program and
producing XML from your program.
We use the following method's which are enabling us to create scalable
systems with independent design from code.
One of the clear reasons for using XML/XSLT is the seperation of data and
design. If you imagine that your ecommerce application is working very well
and doesnt need changing but you have a new client who wants the system in
thier design. Usually, there will come a point where you have to change
hardcoded design elements within your ecommerce application - and if the
design is radically different you will need to do conditional statements to
determine which design to use - a real pain. More importantly your playing
with your engine (code) when in fact all you really wanted to do was put on
some new alloys! :-) It's boring, time consuming and often results in *
up code.
If you take the XML and XSLT path you instantly change your method. Your
ecommerce application only EVER spews out XML. That's it's purpose in
life - it has it's business rules and it's resulting output and design is
never a factor. The XSLT style sheets are used to implement the XML into a
valid document usable by humans. In essence you can now have a 1000
independent designs which never require a single code change in your main
commerce app. Taking it further you can employ your xsl sheets to spew out
WML, CSV, XML etc etc. Simply, your have reached a true data and design
independence.
Added to this you can offer third parties an industry standard form of data
exchange. You can use multiple languages and know with confidence that none
of them have to understand each other. We are using this method very
shortly to create a win32 application using the XML feed from our commerce
engine. Eventually it will be used by our customer service team.
>php are
> insanely tedious to replicate in xsl :|
>
I totally disagree. Take the following:
for ($i=0;$i<=10;$i++){
echo "Hello";
}
Take the following in XSLT:
They may be about the same in number of lines but the php app must be
modified to create a different table type. It is true however that unless
you need to something on a large scale these methods may be to much.
James.
"Daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wot exactly does the xml parse do over sablot ? and what benfit do u get
> xml'ing an entire site , where some processes which come easy to do in php
are
> insanely tedious to replicate in xsl :|
>
> >= Original Message From "James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =
> >There is nothing to install.
> >
> >By default php usually comes with XML parser methods - however if you
want
> >to invest time in running XSLT/XPATH styles against XML you need to
install
> >server side software such as Sablotron or Saxon. We run Sablotron and
it's
> >very good. We've also invested in Stylus Studio which is a good xml/xslt
> >development tool.
> >
> >I'm not really sure what you want to do so it's difficult to help you
> >further.If you give a small idea of what it is you want to achieve
then
> >it might be easier to help you on your way.
> >
> >Jim.
> >
> >
> >"Dhaval Desai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Hello people,
> >>
> >> I want to start using Xml with php. How do I install xml on Apache with
> >Php?
> >> I am running redhat 7.2,Apache 1.3.12 and php latest version.
> >>
> >> How do I install xml? I am totally new to Xmland want to start
> >> somewhere...
> >>
> >> -Dhaval
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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[PHP] Re: Php +Xml?
Hello, > Hello people, > > I want to start using Xml with php. How do I install xml on Apache with Php? > I am running redhat 7.2,Apache 1.3.12 and php latest version. If you want to use SAX, you should already have it installed if you have compiled PHP with '--with-xml'. (BTW, have you compiled PHP yourself? - do you know how to compile PHP?). First of all you should upgrade to a newer apache, as as far as I know Apache 1.3.12 had some problem when ran with Sablotron (this would be needed if you will want to use XML with XSL transformations) Then you should use the domxml extension (add '--with-dom' '--with-dom-xslt' '--with-dom-exslt' to your configure patch when you are compiling PHP). After you compile PHP, you should have support for SAX, DOM and XSL transformations. And if you want a bootstrap to start using XMLs for content publishing, you should also look at Krysalis at http://www.interakt.ro/products/Krysalis/ Alexandru > > How do I install xml? I am totally new to Xmland want to start > somewhere... > > -Dhaval > > > > > > _ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: Php +Xml?
wot exactly does the xml parse do over sablot ? and what benfit do u get xml'ing an entire site , where some processes which come easy to do in php are insanely tedious to replicate in xsl :| >= Original Message From "James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = >There is nothing to install. > >By default php usually comes with XML parser methods - however if you want >to invest time in running XSLT/XPATH styles against XML you need to install >server side software such as Sablotron or Saxon. We run Sablotron and it's >very good. We've also invested in Stylus Studio which is a good xml/xslt >development tool. > >I'm not really sure what you want to do so it's difficult to help you >further.If you give a small idea of what it is you want to achieve then >it might be easier to help you on your way. > >Jim. > > >"Dhaval Desai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Hello people, >> >> I want to start using Xml with php. How do I install xml on Apache with >Php? >> I am running redhat 7.2,Apache 1.3.12 and php latest version. >> >> How do I install xml? I am totally new to Xmland want to start >> somewhere... >> >> -Dhaval >> >> >> >> >> >> _ >> MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus >> > > > >-- >PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) >To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: Php +Xml?
There is nothing to install. By default php usually comes with XML parser methods - however if you want to invest time in running XSLT/XPATH styles against XML you need to install server side software such as Sablotron or Saxon. We run Sablotron and it's very good. We've also invested in Stylus Studio which is a good xml/xslt development tool. I'm not really sure what you want to do so it's difficult to help you further.If you give a small idea of what it is you want to achieve then it might be easier to help you on your way. Jim. "Dhaval Desai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Hello people, > > I want to start using Xml with php. How do I install xml on Apache with Php? > I am running redhat 7.2,Apache 1.3.12 and php latest version. > > How do I install xml? I am totally new to Xmland want to start > somewhere... > > -Dhaval > > > > > > _ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: PHP & XML
I am all for the power of XML, another benefit is the ability to have many themes for your viewer. Plus, if you are writing a CMS or portal of some sort you can have your users create their own themes without ever touching the data layers. They just need to create some XSLT pages and that is it. Another benefit is RSS and allowing users to pull information from your website. Heaven knows that u want your users to frequent ur website. So you can allow them to pull info directly. Also a great way to incorporate a cacheing system as well. On Wed, 2002-10-16 at 00:35, Simon Taylor wrote: > To me this is a lot of work and processing for limited benefits, a simple db > abstraction layer provides you with a divide between you db queries and the > presentation of your site, what benefits do you see in doing this? > Cheers > Simon > > -Original Message- > From: Alexandru COSTIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 15 October 2002 18:50 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [PHP] Re: PHP & XML > > > Hello, > > Most of what you are looking for is already implemented and fully working in > > our Krysalis Professional platform. > > We help you create dynamic XML files, we provide you reusable taglibs to > avoid rewriting similar code multiple times, wr provide various levels of > caching and many more. > > Please se more details at : http://www.interakt.ro/products/ > > Alexandru > > > Let me preface this by saying that I know the benefits of using XML > > with regards to portability and extensibility. Here is the issue I > > face. I have all of my data stored in a MySQL database. I'm > > considering reworking my website so that it uses XML (after being > > converted from resultant records in my DB) to transmit & XSLT to > > transform and display the data to my end user. There are a few > > benifits I can see in sending XML messages as part of the back end > > processing. However, that seems to be out- weighed by the amount of > > processing that's going to need to take place in actually serving the > > data to the user. First I have to query and pull the records from the > > database. Then, I need to send those records to a function (or > > functions) to convert it to XML. Then, I need to take that XML data > > and have PHP use an XSL stylesheet to transform it to HTML before it, > > finally, gets sent on to the browser. So that's basically 2 > > conversions that take place on the back end. > > How much experience have any of you had with doing that? Does > > it take significantly longer to serve the pages; is there a noticible > > performance hit? Do you realize more benifit for the back end > > processes when using XML that makes any additional time it takes > > to display a page to the user worth it? > > I'd love to hear about people's experience with this kind of thing so I > > can better make a decision wrt whether or not I should even go down > > this route. > > > > thnx, > > Chris > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- .: B i g D o g :. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP & XML
Using XML can also make sense for smaller projects where a 'real' DB just isn´t available on the server. I am developing a CMS for our student magazine. Over the last 16 months or so, we used CGI /Perl for processing and stored the data in plain text files.In these article files, I would use pseudo-tags like, __PICTURE_1__, then get some data for this picture (URL, width & height, ALT-Text, longer description, source & copyright) from a *seperate* text file, then create an HTML table that contains the picture & a description and insert it into the article. This was way better than using static HTML, which we had used in the beginning (wanne here a definition for *pain*? ;-). But it still didn´t really seperate layout and content since basic HTML tags like , , , etc. were used in the text files. This worked fine as long as we were glad that minor changes in the footer of the page didn´t involve 48 hours of non-stop work, but it became unfeasible when our ambitions grew and extended to having a (differently formatted) print version of each article The bottom line is: With XML, we now have a clear-cut DTD and thorough seperation of code, content, and layout -- exactly what one would want to achieve with a DB. The performance is ok, I´d say better than with the old Perl script :) and will improve even further when we implement caching of the HTML output (yes, I know, that´s not an option for everyone). For us, XML is kinda a third way aside from SQL and plain text files. Besides, we still have the option to set up a DB and create the XML files automatically & cache the output if we ever grow big and important enough to afford web hosting with a real DB :) Unless you´re data are updated too frequently (and are needed to be up-to-date immediately) to be cached, take a look at XML. Besides, once you CAN exchange your stuff with others, you might come across new ideas to improve your whole site! Regards, Adrian Slusarczyk "Simon Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 414B25821CCAD61181A90048543C810C03EDB4@EMAILSERVER">news:414B25821CCAD61181A90048543C810C03EDB4@EMAILSERVER... Sure in this context I agree with you, but how often do you have a website which needs to publish in many different formats? I have designed and built websites for a while and have never come across such an application. But if I were ever I would definitely invest the effort that is required, but until then I will save myself from the extra work. Cheers Simon -Original Message- From: José León Serna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 16 October 2002 10:40 To: Joshua Alexander Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: PHP & XML El mié, 16-10-2002 a las 10:22, Joshua Alexander escribió: > I have to agree with Simon. I am at a loss when it comes to seeing > any benefit to XML that doesn't involve data exchange between at > least two parties. > > I've spent the last two years building database-backed websites, so > I'm constantly trying to improve how I build them in order to make > design and maintenance easier... I used to rely heavily on SSI for > this, and now I rely more on PHP... if XML would make things easier, > believe me, I would LOVE to know how... but I just don't see it. Let's imagine you create a website of an online magazine, this magazine publishes in HTML, PDF, TXT, PS, etc, etc, etc. How would you do it? I would use XML to write the articles and then stylesheets to transform the articles to the formats I want. Write once, publish anywhare ;-) Regards -- XPde :: XP-like desktop environment (developed with Kylix ;-) http://www.xpde.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP & XML
Ultimately it's about flexibility and seperating content from presentation.Even if you don't have sites that need to be output into multiple formats you will almost cetainly need to redesign some or all of the presentation at some point even if it is only in html. Have you ever had your boss/client say "I want to give the Website a new look". If you have content mixed in with presentation you will need to do a lot of work to mix your content into a new presentation layer. It's also about writing code that is easy to maintain. You can make a class to convert db content to xml and another to convert xml to html via xslt. Your pages suddenly become very easy to write (an have fewer lines of code) , they only differ in the sql statment and the name of the xsl file. I am going to do all my sites like this now. I'm tired of the old way. it's too much work. Joshua Alexander wrote: > I still wouldn't use XML for this. I mean, all the articles are in the > database, and I'm already using PHP to pull them out and format them > into html, right? I can just as easily use PHP to put them into all > those other formats. > > So again, why waste time with XML unless I need to feed these articles > to others, like in a newsfeed situation? > >> But if I were ever I would definitely invest the effort that is >> required, >> but until then I will save myself from the extra work. > > >> Let's imagine you create a website of an online magazine, this magazine >> publishes in HTML, PDF, TXT, PS, etc, etc, etc. How would you do it? >> >> I would use XML to write the articles and then stylesheets to >> transform the >> articles to the formats I want. Write once, publish anywhare ;-) > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP & XML
The benefit would be in dividing business logic from presentation layer. Stas. - Original Message - From: "Simon Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 7:35 AM Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: PHP & XML > To me this is a lot of work and processing for limited benefits, a simple db > abstraction layer provides you with a divide between you db queries and the > presentation of your site, what benefits do you see in doing this? > Cheers > Simon > > -Original Message- > From: Alexandru COSTIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 15 October 2002 18:50 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [PHP] Re: PHP & XML > > > Hello, > > Most of what you are looking for is already implemented and fully working in > > our Krysalis Professional platform. > > We help you create dynamic XML files, we provide you reusable taglibs to > avoid rewriting similar code multiple times, wr provide various levels of > caching and many more. > > Please se more details at : http://www.interakt.ro/products/ > > Alexandru > > > Let me preface this by saying that I know the benefits of using XML > > with regards to portability and extensibility. Here is the issue I > > face. I have all of my data stored in a MySQL database. I'm > > considering reworking my website so that it uses XML (after being > > converted from resultant records in my DB) to transmit & XSLT to > > transform and display the data to my end user. There are a few > > benifits I can see in sending XML messages as part of the back end > > processing. However, that seems to be out- weighed by the amount of > > processing that's going to need to take place in actually serving the > > data to the user. First I have to query and pull the records from the > > database. Then, I need to send those records to a function (or > > functions) to convert it to XML. Then, I need to take that XML data > > and have PHP use an XSL stylesheet to transform it to HTML before it, > > finally, gets sent on to the browser. So that's basically 2 > > conversions that take place on the back end. > > How much experience have any of you had with doing that? Does > > it take significantly longer to serve the pages; is there a noticible > > performance hit? Do you realize more benifit for the back end > > processes when using XML that makes any additional time it takes > > to display a page to the user worth it? > > I'd love to hear about people's experience with this kind of thing so I > > can better make a decision wrt whether or not I should even go down > > this route. > > > > thnx, > > Chris > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [Fwd: Re: [PHP] Re: PHP & XML]
El mar, 15-10-2002 a las 23:16, Tariq Murtaza escribió: > Can u elaborate more about ISO standards. > i mean, if u could explain more about using Xml in DMS with ISO > standards with small examples AFAIK there is no "especific" request to use XML to be compliant with ISO standard, the ISO specifies the information must be accesible by everyone, so XML is the perfect candidate, it was just a sample ;-) Regards. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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Can u elaborate more about ISO standards. i mean, if u could explain more about using Xml in DMS with ISO standards with small examples Best ragards José León Serna wrote: > El mié, 16-10-2002 a las 11:02, Simon Taylor escribió: > >>Sure in this context I agree with you, but how often do you have a website >>which needs to publish in many different formats? I have designed and built >>websites for a while and have never come across such an application. >>But if I were ever I would definitely invest the effort that is required, >>but until then I will save myself from the extra work. > > If you create an intranet (DMS, ISO compliance, etc) for a company, sure > you have to deal with that ;-) > > Regards -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: PHP & XML
El mié, 16-10-2002 a las 11:13, Joshua Alexander escribió: > I still wouldn't use XML for this. I mean, all the articles are in > the database, and I'm already using PHP to pull them out and format > them into html, right? I can just as easily use PHP to put them into > all those other formats. In what format do you have the articles on the database? TXT? You will need to create a PHP software to format these articles to HTML PDF TXT PS With XML you don't need that, the parser does the hard work for you. What would it happen if you need another format? You would need to develop another program (or modify an existing one) to transform your content to the new format. With XML you just need to add a new XSL. Of course, XML is not the only solution, but IMO is the easiest. Regards -- XPde :: XP-like desktop environment (developed with Kylix ;-) http://www.xpde.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
RE: [PHP] Re: PHP & XML
I still wouldn't use XML for this. I mean, all the articles are in the database, and I'm already using PHP to pull them out and format them into html, right? I can just as easily use PHP to put them into all those other formats. So again, why waste time with XML unless I need to feed these articles to others, like in a newsfeed situation? >But if I were ever I would definitely invest the effort that is required, >but until then I will save myself from the extra work. >Let's imagine you create a website of an online magazine, this magazine >publishes in HTML, PDF, TXT, PS, etc, etc, etc. How would you do it? > >I would use XML to write the articles and then stylesheets to transform the >articles to the formats I want. Write once, publish anywhare ;-) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: PHP & XML
El mié, 16-10-2002 a las 11:02, Simon Taylor escribió: > Sure in this context I agree with you, but how often do you have a website > which needs to publish in many different formats? I have designed and built > websites for a while and have never come across such an application. > But if I were ever I would definitely invest the effort that is required, > but until then I will save myself from the extra work. If you create an intranet (DMS, ISO compliance, etc) for a company, sure you have to deal with that ;-) Regards -- XPde :: XP-like desktop environment (developed with Kylix ;-) http://www.xpde.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
RE: [PHP] Re: PHP & XML
Sure in this context I agree with you, but how often do you have a website which needs to publish in many different formats? I have designed and built websites for a while and have never come across such an application. But if I were ever I would definitely invest the effort that is required, but until then I will save myself from the extra work. Cheers Simon -Original Message- From: José León Serna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 16 October 2002 10:40 To: Joshua Alexander Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: PHP & XML El mié, 16-10-2002 a las 10:22, Joshua Alexander escribió: > I have to agree with Simon. I am at a loss when it comes to seeing > any benefit to XML that doesn't involve data exchange between at > least two parties. > > I've spent the last two years building database-backed websites, so > I'm constantly trying to improve how I build them in order to make > design and maintenance easier... I used to rely heavily on SSI for > this, and now I rely more on PHP... if XML would make things easier, > believe me, I would LOVE to know how... but I just don't see it. Let's imagine you create a website of an online magazine, this magazine publishes in HTML, PDF, TXT, PS, etc, etc, etc. How would you do it? I would use XML to write the articles and then stylesheets to transform the articles to the formats I want. Write once, publish anywhare ;-) Regards -- XPde :: XP-like desktop environment (developed with Kylix ;-) http://www.xpde.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: PHP & XML
El mié, 16-10-2002 a las 10:22, Joshua Alexander escribió: > I have to agree with Simon. I am at a loss when it comes to seeing > any benefit to XML that doesn't involve data exchange between at > least two parties. > > I've spent the last two years building database-backed websites, so > I'm constantly trying to improve how I build them in order to make > design and maintenance easier... I used to rely heavily on SSI for > this, and now I rely more on PHP... if XML would make things easier, > believe me, I would LOVE to know how... but I just don't see it. Let's imagine you create a website of an online magazine, this magazine publishes in HTML, PDF, TXT, PS, etc, etc, etc. How would you do it? I would use XML to write the articles and then stylesheets to transform the articles to the formats I want. Write once, publish anywhare ;-) Regards -- XPde :: XP-like desktop environment (developed with Kylix ;-) http://www.xpde.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
RE: [PHP] Re: PHP & XML
>To me this is a lot of work and processing for limited benefits, a simple db >abstraction layer provides you with a divide between you db queries and the >presentation of your site, what benefits do you see in doing this? I have to agree with Simon. I am at a loss when it comes to seeing any benefit to XML that doesn't involve data exchange between at least two parties. I've spent the last two years building database-backed websites, so I'm constantly trying to improve how I build them in order to make design and maintenance easier... I used to rely heavily on SSI for this, and now I rely more on PHP... if XML would make things easier, believe me, I would LOVE to know how... but I just don't see it. -Josh -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: PHP & XML
To me this is a lot of work and processing for limited benefits, a simple db abstraction layer provides you with a divide between you db queries and the presentation of your site, what benefits do you see in doing this? Cheers Simon -Original Message- From: Alexandru COSTIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 October 2002 18:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP] Re: PHP & XML Hello, Most of what you are looking for is already implemented and fully working in our Krysalis Professional platform. We help you create dynamic XML files, we provide you reusable taglibs to avoid rewriting similar code multiple times, wr provide various levels of caching and many more. Please se more details at : http://www.interakt.ro/products/ Alexandru > Let me preface this by saying that I know the benefits of using XML > with regards to portability and extensibility. Here is the issue I > face. I have all of my data stored in a MySQL database. I'm > considering reworking my website so that it uses XML (after being > converted from resultant records in my DB) to transmit & XSLT to > transform and display the data to my end user. There are a few > benifits I can see in sending XML messages as part of the back end > processing. However, that seems to be out- weighed by the amount of > processing that's going to need to take place in actually serving the > data to the user. First I have to query and pull the records from the > database. Then, I need to send those records to a function (or > functions) to convert it to XML. Then, I need to take that XML data > and have PHP use an XSL stylesheet to transform it to HTML before it, > finally, gets sent on to the browser. So that's basically 2 > conversions that take place on the back end. > How much experience have any of you had with doing that? Does > it take significantly longer to serve the pages; is there a noticible > performance hit? Do you realize more benifit for the back end > processes when using XML that makes any additional time it takes > to display a page to the user worth it? > I'd love to hear about people's experience with this kind of thing so I > can better make a decision wrt whether or not I should even go down > this route. > > thnx, > Chris -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: PHP & XML
Hello, Most of what you are looking for is already implemented and fully working in our Krysalis Professional platform. We help you create dynamic XML files, we provide you reusable taglibs to avoid rewriting similar code multiple times, wr provide various levels of caching and many more. Please se more details at : http://www.interakt.ro/products/ Alexandru > Let me preface this by saying that I know the benefits of using > XML with regards to portability and extensibility. > Here is the issue I face. I have all of my data stored in a MySQL > database. I'm considering reworking my website so that it uses > XML (after being converted from resultant records in my DB) to > transmit & XSLT to transform and display the data to my end user. > There are a few benifits I can see in sending XML messages as > part of the back end processing. However, that seems to be out- > weighed by the amount of processing that's going to need to take > place in actually serving the data to the user. > First I have to query and pull the records from the database. Then, > I need to send those records to a function (or functions) to convert > it to XML. Then, I need to take that XML data and have PHP use > an XSL stylesheet to transform it to HTML before it, finally, gets > sent on to the browser. So that's basically 2 conversions that take > place on the back end. > How much experience have any of you had with doing that? Does > it take significantly longer to serve the pages; is there a noticible > performance hit? Do you realize more benifit for the back end > processes when using XML that makes any additional time it takes > to display a page to the user worth it? > I'd love to hear about people's experience with this kind of thing so I > can better make a decision wrt whether or not I should even go down > this route. > > thnx, > Chris -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: PHP: XML/XSL
Hello For painless XML/XSL transformation on PHP, you should check Krysalis, the XML/XSL development framework. We have a lot of nice features packed in, like dynamic XML, multiple XSL transformations in a pipeline, etc. http://www.interakt.ro/products/Krysalis/ Alexandru Alia Mikati wrote: > Hi everybody, > I'm using Sablotron to transform XML with XSL and this is the PHP file: > > Thx a lot -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [php-xml] Http Request
Hello, Sandeep Murphy wrote: > > Hi, > > Can anyone tellme how I can do a http request to a servlet from a PHP?? > > I mean, I have a username and password which I want to send in a > string(variable) to a Servlet which authentifies it and responses back in > XML format... > > any suggestions?? This is what you need. There is even an example on how to make a SOAP request via HTTP. http://phpclasses.UpperDesign.com/browse.html/package/3 Regards, Manuel Lemos -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PHP] Re: PHP & XML
Sorry - I should perhaps say that I'm only intending to code this site for IE(5/6) - there are too many issues with NetS - I **KNOW** that that's bad and lazy, but that's the way it's gonna be :o) M -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
