RE: [PHP] Zend IDE vs. PhpEd
I thought autocompletion would help you _avoid_ silly mistakes. For example, defining $varName then trying to use $varname when you really meant to use $varName. In php I would say it's a tossup because if you reference a variable that doesn't exist it will contain a NULL or FALSE value but php will not warn you. But in something like C I would have to agree that autocompletion can lead to much more difficult problems to track down. Because in C, if you never assign the variable the compiler (depending on the compiler of course) will warn you. If you accidentially assign a subtilly different variable that can be hard to track down, and the compiler will only warn you if it's a different datatype. --Buddy -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend IDE vs. PhpEd
John Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... : Thanks for the reply. I'm also impressed with Zend's autocompletion...I can't even get PHPEd to autocomplete on objects. Finally, one frustrating thing on the part of both editors is the inability to autocomplete on arrays of object references...but I suppose that's a little difficult with a dynamically typed language. Isn't it a little bit too much of paranoia for autocompletion? In programming schools they make you writing the programs on paper so you understand it better :) I, personally, only care about the code highlighting. Autocompleting often exposes you to make silly mistakes (not always, of course) and these are the hardest ones to debug. Copying, pasting and replacing is much safer, IMHO. For that, I prefer EditPlus on win32 - simple autocompletion (I wrote one for them - only functions), very fast, stable and pleasureful to use. Also, EditPlus is a generic editor so I can use it for PHP as well as for Python, Java, C/C++, C#, SQL, PL/SQL etc... Though, it doesn't handle projects well at all and is quite limited on PHP... But, that's my own preference. Should I need an IDE I'd choose Zend because it seems to me more affordable and better integrated with PHP. -- Maxim Maletsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend IDE vs. PhpEd
On Wednesday 08 January 2003 02:45, Maxim Maletsky wrote: Isn't it a little bit too much of paranoia for autocompletion? In programming schools they make you writing the programs on paper so you understand it better :) I, personally, only care about the code highlighting. Autocompleting often exposes you to make silly mistakes (not always, of course) and these are the hardest ones to debug. Copying, pasting and replacing is much safer, IMHO. I thought autocompletion would help you _avoid_ silly mistakes. For example, defining $varName then trying to use $varname when you really meant to use $varName. -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.biz Open Source Software Systems Integrators * Web Design Hosting * Internet Intranet Applications Development * /* There is nothing more silly than a silly laugh. -- Gaius Valerius Catullus */ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend IDE vs. PhpEd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 07 January 2003 18:48, Jason Wong wrote: On Wednesday 08 January 2003 02:45, Maxim Maletsky wrote: Isn't it a little bit too much of paranoia for autocompletion? In programming schools they make you writing the programs on paper so you understand it better :) I, personally, only care about the code highlighting. Autocompleting often exposes you to make silly mistakes (not always, of course) and these are the hardest ones to debug. Copying, pasting and replacing is much safer, IMHO. I thought autocompletion would help you _avoid_ silly mistakes. For example, defining $varName then trying to use $varname when you really meant to use $varName. Configuring error reporting to E_ALL will help you with that and some other things as well, all my scripts run in E_ALL. But I still think that autocompletation is very useful. Have fun. - -- Pupeno: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pupeno.com - --- Help the hungry children of Argentina, please go to (and make it your homepage): http://www.porloschicos.com/servlet/PorLosChicos?comando=donar -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+G2eYLr8z5XzmSDQRAsH+AKCPrW2nGliNZu8kGOaAeaO8AC+9AgCg4q1D 0Ki998HRDqC2ER6eDYTby9s= =Bp+V -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend IDE vs. PhpEd
I've tried phpEdit, but unfortunately it's a Windows-only IDE and has quite a few reproduceable bugs (I get an access violation almost everytime I use the latest version. I do all my development in Linux, so it won't cut it. Thanks! John -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend IDE vs. PhpEd
Can anyone who's familiar with both give an honest, open evaluation? I'm in a rush project and need something quickly (have to purchase tomorrow), but I'm on the fence when it comes to these two products. Zend costs $100 less than Phped, so I'm leaning that way. But if there's anything you know that could make my decision easier, please forward it on. They seem pretty comparable, with the exception of PhpEd's db browser. I personally recommend the Zend IDE, simply because: 1) Its (more) cross platform 2) A more complete autocompletion. Uses javadoc style documentation to generate function prototypes for which you can then use autocompletion. It also resolves classes and objects. 3) Richer debugger 4) Better integration with other Zend products, if you want to use the encoder, it plugs right into the Zend IDE. 5) I like working with it more, and that's what it all comes down too. The Zend IDE is what I'm more comfortable with (outside of vim and emacs, which I must admit are my primary development tools). -Sterling Thanks! John -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend IDE vs. PhpEd
Sterling, Thanks for the reply. I'm also impressed with Zend's autocompletion...I can't even get PHPEd to autocomplete on objects. I wonder if Zend uses dbg as well. It'd be nice to see a profiler thrown into a future version. Finally, one frustrating thing on the part of both editors is the inability to autocomplete on arrays of object references...but I suppose that's a little difficult with a dynamically typed language. Thanks! John -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Zend IDE vs. PhpEd
John Wells wrote: Can anyone who's familiar with both give an honest, open evaluation? I'm in a rush project and need something quickly (have to purchase tomorrow), but I'm on the fence when it comes to these two products. Zend costs $100 less than Phped, so I'm leaning that way. But if there's anything you know that could make my decision easier, please forward it on. They seem pretty comparable, with the exception of PhpEd's db browser. ... have u seen phpEdit? It's for free, has perfect autocompletion, project manager, editable templates and many other features. AFAIK it has no db browser, but has good developer community around ... http://www.phpedit.net -- Mirek Novak jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:119499448 AUTO.CZ http://www.auto.cz NEWS.AUTO.CZ http://news.auto.cz FORMULE1.CZ http://www.formule1.cz -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Zend IDE vs. PhpEd
__NO I DON'T WORK FOR ZEND__ Well I use Zend Studio and have done for sometime. Check out there offer for Small Business: http://www.zend.com/store/products/zend-smallbiz.php Includes the Encoder and the IDE ++ You won't regret a Zend Studio buy and with the upgrade option you get all upgrades (including all version comp eg 4.x.x comp) included. HiTCHO has Spoken! Timothy Hitchens (HiTCHO) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mirek Novak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 5:08 PM To: John Wells; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Zend IDE vs. PhpEd John Wells wrote: Can anyone who's familiar with both give an honest, open evaluation? I'm in a rush project and need something quickly (have to purchase tomorrow), but I'm on the fence when it comes to these two products. Zend costs $100 less than Phped, so I'm leaning that way. But if there's anything you know that could make my decision easier, please forward it on. They seem pretty comparable, with the exception of PhpEd's db browser. ... have u seen phpEdit? It's for free, has perfect autocompletion, project manager, editable templates and many other features. AFAIK it has no db browser, but has good developer community around ... http://www.phpedit.net -- Mirek Novak jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:119499448 AUTO.CZ http://www.auto.cz NEWS.AUTO.CZ http://news.auto.cz FORMULE1.CZ http://www.formule1.cz -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] zend ide debugger
PHPEd now supports debugger and still free :) 1-month commercial license ($90). Download wasn't too bad. I haven't had a chance to check out the Zend LaunchPad. The installation (Apache Linux PHP 4.04pl1+patches) took me about 30 minutes for client and server which included the wait on the license key. It took us another day to put up because there is no mention that the debugger doesn't work with the optimizer on. Zend customer service fixed that though. The IDE is pretty nice. Startup (Windows version through Samba) takes a long time and there are still some crashing issues. It's nowhere near as spry as PHPEd but we're talking about a integrated debugger. The interface is Swing-based as near as I can tell and my main gripe besides the speed is I can't use the scroll wheel. It still crashes a bunch (not sure if it's the debugger or what). I passed it off to an engineer so I can't comment further. (He's having trouble getting it to recognize the include files. Anyone have a tip?) BTW, the debugger has a browser mode, it sends off some codes in a the get string of the URL. I didn't test it. Some people like source level debuggers and I think it's a good tool especially considering all the headaches Nexidion Designer gave us a while back. Personally, the last time I used a debugger, I was making a calculator using an 80186 (the debugger was a hardware one the size of two coffee table books stacked next to each other) so obviously I never got used to them. If you come from the Boreland C/Visual Studio world, I suppose you might find the IDE essential. If my engineers ever use it, I'll get the company to spring for a license or 5. Take care, terry -- terry chay, Director of Engineering, http://www.QIXO.com/ QIXO /kick.so/ - Integrating Many Travel Web Sites Into One W: 1.408.394-8102 F:1.408.516.9090M: 1.408.314.0717 E-Mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16069322 PGP Fingerprint: 6DCF 1634 547C 935D 4912 2A44 A4A2 79AB DFFF F110 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] zend ide debugger
The IDE is pretty nice. Startup (Windows version through Samba) takes a long time and there are still some crashing issues. Have you reported these if the happen consistenly Im sure the Zend folk would love to hear about them so that they can fix them.. It's nowhere near as spry as PHPEd but we're talking about a integrated debugger. We are talking about Java and C/C++ or whatever phped is written in, Java will be slower but then you can use it on nearly any platform. I can't use the scroll wheel. Java does not support this very well yet at all but maybe the Zend folks will sort this for a future version the 1.4 JRE should support this... I passed it off to an engineer so I can't comment further. (He's having trouble getting it to recognize the include files. Anyone have a tip?) Include files must be on the webserver in the same dir as dummy.php or your include path, personally this is slightly annonying but maybe we will see this fixed in a future version.. James -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Zend IDE
Alain, Have you tried changing your keyboard layout in the Windows Control-Panel to Swiss-French? As far as I know, Java uses your systems keyboard layout. Java will be supported by other vendors such as Sun IBM on Windows so I wouldn't worry about it ;) And of course our aim is to support UNIX platforms such as Linux which also have Java support. Andi At 10:43 AM 2/2/2001 +0100, Alain Fontaine wrote: Hi, Does anyone know how I can 'tell' the Zend IDE to actually use Swiss-French keyboard layout instead of french? I know it's related to Java thinking as I'm living in Belgium, I must have a french keyboard layout. Yet, I don't, and I can't type correctly now :) Oh, by the way... Zend IDE for Windows is written in Java. Microsoft is dumping Java completely. Find the mistake. Thanks for helping me out. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Zend IDE
At 11:43 2/2/2001, Alain Fontaine wrote: Oh, by the way... Zend IDE for Windows is written in Java. Microsoft is dumping Java completely. Find the mistake. The Zend IDE is written in Java, period; You may consider this a mistake if you're not fond of Java, but this has nothing to do with Microsoft dumping Java (and switching to a Java clone called C#) for marketing and courtroom reasons. The same binaries are used for the Windows version and the Linux version, and it actually delivers Java's promise of platform independence. Zeev -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] Zend IDE
Hi again, I just checked the Sun "bugParade", and this is a known bug (for over three releases now). Swing components don't get the correct keyboard layout; they assume that the keyboard layout matches the locale setting, which is, obviously, utter nonsense. I guess this means that the Zend IDE is not useable by anyone who uses a keyboard layout that is a bit "special", e.g.: * Luxembourg: most of them use french locale, but swiss-french or german keyboard layout * Belgium: some use french locale, some use dutch locale, some with french layout, some with american layout, even some with UK layout. * etc. "Java - write once, run anywhere". Shouldn't this rather be: "Java - be sure to use an US keyboard!" ? ;) -Message d'origine- De : Andi Gutmans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoye : vendredi 2 fevrier 2001 12:08 A : Alain Fontaine; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [PHP] Zend IDE Alain, Have you tried changing your keyboard layout in the Windows Control-Panel to Swiss-French? As far as I know, Java uses your systems keyboard layout. Java will be supported by other vendors such as Sun IBM on Windows so I wouldn't worry about it ;) And of course our aim is to support UNIX platforms such as Linux which also have Java support. Andi At 10:43 AM 2/2/2001 +0100, Alain Fontaine wrote: Hi, Does anyone know how I can 'tell' the Zend IDE to actually use Swiss-French keyboard layout instead of french? I know it's related to Java thinking as I'm living in Belgium, I must have a french keyboard layout. Yet, I don't, and I can't type correctly now :) Oh, by the way... Zend IDE for Windows is written in Java. Microsoft is dumping Java completely. Find the mistake. Thanks for helping me out. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Zend IDE price plans
lagi wrote: They can charge the big companies who pay the microsoft tax for the extra nannying that they need/want/expect but why give the razor free and then charge $6000 per blade? Charge a nobrainer price (for a limited period) and we would all jump in i predict. You mean like the Commercial Subscription ($70/month) ?? The Encoder SE is available with that plan. In fact, that's almost the whole idea behind the Commercial subscription: to allow a very low entry for access to the Encoder technology. As I said before, This encoder stuff may be great for companies that sell software and that kind of recurring $70 cost make sense when you are selling a product. But, If you are an occasional freelance programmer or use php for just your companies sight you could probably care less about encoding. I just want the debugger. Thats it. I hope they make some kind of allowance for this as was hinted before but that isn't what Zend told me when I inquired about it. They just said "No, but your opinions are considered". Obviously Zend can do whatever they want with their own products. I just think that something between illeagal and everything should be offered to maximize sales. Also, Does anyone know if the IDE works on the snapshots? I didn't see anything to preclude it but it seemed to come packaged with a PHP version. I wouldn't want to give up the ability to code with the latest function to use an IDE. I guess I could just do without for that instance. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Zend IDE price plans
Thats what I wanted to hear maybe the winging did it or maybe they planned it all along ... - Original Message - From: "Zeev Suraski" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Lewis Bergman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [PHP] Zend IDE price plans Lewis everyone, An alternative (non-subscription) plan for the IDE will be announced next week. It'll be designed to make the IDE much more affordable for everyone, including those who develop for commercial purposes. Stay tuned! Zeev At 15:22 27/1/2001, Lewis Bergman wrote: Is anyone else dissappointed in the limited pricing options of the Zend IDE? I would love to buy the commercial license as about half of my work would fall into that. My problem is I don't want or need anything except the IDE. Are there other people in this same boat? I would like the IDE but don't want to pay for a bunch of stuff I don't want or need. I would think that there is some middle-goround somewhere. More than $50.00 for the personal license but less than the $850.00 for the whole big ball of wax. I would love to hear what others are thinking on this subject. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Zeev Suraski [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTO co-founder, Zend Technologies Ltd. http://www.zend.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Zend IDE price plans
At 17:37 27/1/2001, Lewis Bergman wrote: Also, Does anyone know if the IDE works on the snapshots? I didn't see anything to preclude it but it seemed to come packaged with a PHP version. I wouldn't want to give up the ability to code with the latest function to use an IDE. I guess I could just do without for that instance. There's no guarantee that it'll work on snapshots, even though, chances are it will. Zeev -- Zeev Suraski [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTO co-founder, Zend Technologies Ltd. http://www.zend.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Zend IDE price plans
On Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 10:26:35AM -0500, Jim Jagielski wrote: [ . . . ] You mean like the Commercial Subscription ($70/month) ?? The Encoder SE is available with that plan. In fact, that's almost the whole idea behind the Commercial subscription: to allow a very low entry for access to the Encoder technology. You need to buy a whole year's subscription though. This means you don't pay $70 a month but 12*$70=$840 a year, in monthly installments. There is a difference between 'amount X a month' and 'amount Y a year in monthly installments'. If X happens to be Y/12, it's still not the same. Just my $0.02. - Frank -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] zend ide debugger
1-month commercial license ($90). Download wasn't too bad. I haven't had a chance to check out the Zend LaunchPad. The installation (Apache Linux PHP 4.04pl1+patches) took me about 30 minutes for client and server which included the wait on the license key. It took us another day to put up because there is no mention that the debugger doesn't work with the optimizer on. Zend customer service fixed that though. The IDE is pretty nice. Startup (Windows version through Samba) takes a long time and there are still some crashing issues. It's nowhere near as spry as PHPEd but we're talking about a integrated debugger. The interface is Swing-based as near as I can tell and my main gripe besides the speed is I can't use the scroll wheel. It still crashes a bunch (not sure if it's the debugger or what). I passed it off to an engineer so I can't comment further. (He's having trouble getting it to recognize the include files. Anyone have a tip?) BTW, the debugger has a browser mode, it sends off some codes in a the get string of the URL. I didn't test it. Some people like source level debuggers and I think it's a good tool especially considering all the headaches Nexidion Designer gave us a while back. Personally, the last time I used a debugger, I was making a calculator using an 80186 (the debugger was a hardware one the size of two coffee table books stacked next to each other) so obviously I never got used to them. If you come from the Boreland C/Visual Studio world, I suppose you might find the IDE essential. If my engineers ever use it, I'll get the company to spring for a license or 5. Take care, terry -- terry chay, Director of Engineering, http://www.QIXO.com/ QIXO /kick.so/ - Integrating Many Travel Web Sites Into One W: 1.408.394-8102 F:1.408.516.9090M: 1.408.314.0717 E-Mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16069322 PGP Fingerprint: 6DCF 1634 547C 935D 4912 2A44 A4A2 79AB DFFF F110 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] zend ide debugger
The IDE+Debugger combo really looks great, esp. because of the debug support being AWOL in PHP4. I'm a little bit irked about that actually, they obviously stopped the "free" development on it, and moved it in house. But I guess you gotta put food on the table :) I really would prefer to have debug info printed to a browser instead of _only_ accessible through their IDE. anyway. I'm a little worried about the IDE being written in java tho...I hope its not as slow/memory hungry/crash happy as the other java + JRE apps I've used... That's getting a bit better, I've got a couple apps that run fine on win2k that are java. they're memory pigs but that's the multiplatform life. also, you're sort of screwed if you want to go X + windows, without maintaining two separate codebases, so I understand the choice. plus, swing is very mac-esque, so I approve :) Too bad there's not an evaluation version available for download. I've sent mail to one of their sales guys, adam, about that. The 30-day "evaluation" is pretty funny: you have to pay $100 for it. (come _on_)! _but_, for me the "encoder se" is worth the $800 right out, I can ensure some values stored in my apps right now are ripped up in a binary, which is extra-extra-groovy for security. -alex Ben At 03:15 PM 1/23/2001, you wrote: ola all, has anyone used the zend ide+debugger? before I slap down $800, I'd like to know if people who have think it's groovy.. :) _alex -- Alex Black, Head Monkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Turing Studio, Inc. http://www.turingstudio.com vox+510.666.0074 fax+510.666.0093 Saul Zaentz Film Center 2600 Tenth St Suite 433 Berkeley, CA 94710-2522 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
