Re: negative scanner (was RE: [pinhole-discussion] The panopin)

2003-04-23 Thread Jean-Luc
Shelley,

***Be careful*** : I'm not sure this one has the Transparency Adapter
Unit. Maybe Epson has sold some scanner without this device which is
optional


"Rauch, Shelley" wrote:
> 
> Jean-Luc... is this like the one you have:  
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3413680813&category=11208
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jean-Luc [mailto:jean-luc.cou...@wanadoo.fr]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 1:30 PM
> To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
> Subject: Re: negative scanner (was RE: [pinhole-discussion] The panopin)
> 
> Shelley,
> 
> You can use a flatbed scanner with a transparencies adapter.
> I have an Epson 1640SU/Photo and it works fine for me
> 
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> Jean-Luc
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Re: negative scanner (was RE: [pinhole-discussion] The panopin)

2003-04-23 Thread Jean-Luc
"Rauch, Shelley" wrote:
Yes Shelley, it is this one...

> 
> Jean-Luc... is this like the one you have:  
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3413680813&category=11208
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jean-Luc [mailto:jean-luc.cou...@wanadoo.fr]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 1:30 PM
> To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
> Subject: Re: negative scanner (was RE: [pinhole-discussion] The panopin)
> 
> Shelley,
> 
> You can use a flatbed scanner with a transparencies adapter.
> I have an Epson 1640SU/Photo and it works fine for me
> 
> ---
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> Jean-Luc
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RE: negative scanner (was RE: [pinhole-discussion] The panopin)

2003-04-23 Thread Rauch, Shelley
Jean-Luc... is this like the one you have:  
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3413680813&category=11208

-Original Message-
From: Jean-Luc [mailto:jean-luc.cou...@wanadoo.fr]
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 1:30 PM
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Subject: Re: negative scanner (was RE: [pinhole-discussion] The panopin)


Shelley,

You can use a flatbed scanner with a transparencies adapter.
I have an Epson 1640SU/Photo and it works fine for me

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Jean-Luc



Re: negative scanner (was RE: [pinhole-discussion] The panopin)

2003-04-23 Thread Jean-Luc
Shelley,

You can use a flatbed scanner with a transparencies adapter.
I have an Epson 1640SU/Photo and it works fine for me

---
Regards
Jean-Luc
> 
> Don,
> 
> I would like to find out some more information about scanning negatives.  Do 
> you need a specialized scanner to do this, or merely something 'high-end'?
> 
> Thanks,
> Shelley



Re: Re: [pinhole-discussion] The panopin

2003-04-22 Thread Ingo Günther
pinhole-discussion@p at ??? schrieb am 22.04.03 01:58:40:


>...I need to 
> check with Kurt ...

James,
a little bit out of topic : I tried to mail Kurt, because I will buy a 
pinoramic camera. But his E-Mail adress is wrong. can you help?

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RE: [pinhole-discussion] The panopin

2003-04-22 Thread John Moore
CJ,

I know it's not always the most popular place to locate items, but I did see a 
panopin on e*ay... It is a kit camera made by Mike Bell, and it looks like you 
could take a look at the part(s) you were interested in making: 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2923945842&category=15247

As for Guillermo's suggestion of the Bender darkslide- that would be very easy 
to make (they say so on the site)... I have a couple of old Graphlex 4x5's as 
well lots of holders & extra darkslides. I could make the 2x5 slide & put a 
pinhole camera together ready to shoot! Contact me offlist for info on this 
camera.

John Moore
Ramona, CA
www.speakeasy.net/~jlmoore

--- On Sun 04/20, CJ Rumpolo < rump...@yahoo.com > wrote:

From: CJ Rumpolo [mailto: rump...@yahoo.com]
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
List-Post: pinhole-discussion@pinhole.com
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 14:24:51 -0400
Subject: [pinhole-discussion] The panopin

Hi, and a happy holiday to all. I was wondering, since I am pretty much a
newbie at pinholing, and I am enjoying each moment so far, has anyone had
experience with the panopin camera? I am thinking about getting one though I
am still designing one of my own (the fun part for myself), I just do not
have an idea on how to get the film advance mechanism to work. Also just how
do paper negatives compare to film negatives? If the paper negatives are
just as good then I can forego the film advance mechanism.
Currently I am using a 4x5 camera I made up and using Polaroid 55 type
film. I am hoping to scan in the negatives and then use my computer to keep
an album of my work. I do not have a darkroom available. Any feedback would
be most welcome. Enjoy. Oh and in keeping with the Easter holiday I was
wondering, has anyone thought about blowing out eggs and then coating the
inside with light sensitive emulsion exposing the eggs and then developing
and carefully cutting the eggs open? I see it in my head but its just one of
those random thoughts I get every now and again. CJ


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] The panopin

2003-04-22 Thread Guillermo
- Original Message -
From: "CJ Rumpolo" 


> No I fully understand it would be unfair (if not illegal) to use someone
> elses ideas without consent. I really have no plans on stealing another
> person's hard work and design. I tend to look at things I like, then try
to
> make them myself. Call it a test of my thinking skills. My current design
is
> from another person's website but have run into a snag of film transport.
>  Today I pretty much considered on giving up the whole project and just
stay
> with the camera I have.

CJ,

Don't feel bad, do not give up in your project, firstly: you are trying to
make a camera for yourself, not to massively produce it, secondly: there
aren't too many manual ways you can turn the film cartridges inside a
camera, 120 roll like cameras have been manufactured since the end of 19th
century (I think) and those patents are now expired.  If you take a look to
early 20th century rolls film cameras winding mechanism you will find
similarities with current 120 cameras mechanisms.

> I figure if I am using a 4x5 camera and I make a
> mask to give me two images of 2 x 5 on one sheet of film then I can
enlarge
> the negative to pretty much panoramic scale.

That's a good way to make panoramics, you just need a dark slide cut like
this: http://www.benderphoto.com/2x5pa.htm

> The only thing I was thinking
> about was the curved film plane. I am guessing lenses use their curvature
to
> correct for this and pinholes need the curved film plane to make the image
> appear as seen.

Regular photo lenses don't use their curvature to correct what you think.
Curved film plane pinhole cameras help you lower the light fall off.

> I tried to email Kurt from his site, hoping to purchase a camera,
>Other plans I had were to purchase an old view camera and convert it to
> a really expensive pinhole camera.

If I remember correctly, Kurt's camera was priced at around $1000 and worth
every penny, do the math, you could buy several old view cameras with the
price of one of Kurt's camera.  So don't think that buying a old view camera
and using it as pinhole camera is a bad or expensive idea.

> Then again I should use Mr. Au's camera more often as well. Its really a
> nicely made device, though I think its focal length is a bit too wide to
my
> style of photography.

Then an old view camera may be good for you, perhaps a press camera or if I
you have the money, get a 4x5 Shen-Hao http://www.shen-hao.com  it sells for
$625 at http://www.badgergraphic.com/search_product2.asp?x=2594  (a steal at
that price) and if later you want to do glass lens 4x5 you just get the
lens.

Guillermo




Re: [pinhole-discussion] The panopin

2003-04-21 Thread CJ Rumpolo
No I fully understand it would be unfair (if not illegal) to use someone
elses ideas without consent. I really have no plans on stealing another
person's hard work and design. I tend to look at things I like, then try to
make them myself. Call it a test of my thinking skills. My current design is
from another person's website but have run into a snag of film transport.
 Today I pretty much considered on giving up the whole project and just stay
with the camera I have. I figure if I am using a 4x5 camera and I make a
mask to give me two images of 2 x 5 on one sheet of film then I can enlarge
the negative to pretty much panoramic scale. The only thing I was thinking
about was the curved film plane. I am guessing lenses use their curvature to
correct for this and pinholes need the curved film plane to make the image
appear as seen.
I tried to email Kurt from his site, hoping to purchase a camera, but
the email was returned as an invalid email address. I even emailed the
company that makes the panopin camera but no response and I really do not
want to order something from a company that I do not know is still in
business. 
Other plans I had were to purchase an old view camera and convert it to
a really expensive pinhole camera. Or make up a fixed focal length large
format camera using a 65 mm lens. Regardless, of my ramblings and
tinkerings, I guess I should just take pictures more than design cameras.
Then again I should use Mr. Au's camera more often as well. Its really a
nicely made device, though I think its focal length is a bit too wide to my
style of photography. Anyhow thanks for the reply. And if you can get in
contact with Kurt let him know he might very well have a customer. Enjoy the
rest of your day. CJ




Re: [pinhole-discussion] The panopin

2003-04-21 Thread James Kellar
I would be happy to send you some images of the camera, but I need to 
check with Kurt to make sure it's OK with him. I don't know if you are 
aware of a problem that Zernike Au of the Zero Camera Company has had 
with having his design stolen. I'll let you know when I hear back from 
Kurt.


James


On Monday, April 21, 2003, at 08:15  AM, CJ Rumpolo wrote:


On 4/20/03 8:25 PM, "James Kellar"  wrote:

I happen to be the proud owner of Mottweiler Design pinoramic camera. 
I
don't think Kurt Mottweiler is making the camera, but you can see it 
at

http://www.cnsp.com/mdesign/. It is a great camera.


Thanks for the reply, I checked out the site and indeed the cameras 
look

really nice. Is there any chance for you to send me a few shots of the
camera. I am still in the design phase of my camera and wanted to see 
how

the film advance mechanism worked as well as if there is a curved back
support to the film. As of now I have plans and a foam board prototype 
that
I am am still messing with to no avail. Thanks for the reply. Heck if 
I can
make this out of foam board or even thin plywood I would be happy to 
set up

an extension to my site and let the world know how it is done.


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Re: [pinhole-discussion] The panopin

2003-04-21 Thread CJ Rumpolo
On 4/20/03 8:25 PM, "James Kellar"  wrote:

> I happen to be the proud owner of Mottweiler Design pinoramic camera. I
> don't think Kurt Mottweiler is making the camera, but you can see it at
> http://www.cnsp.com/mdesign/. It is a great camera.

Thanks for the reply, I checked out the site and indeed the cameras look
really nice. Is there any chance for you to send me a few shots of the
camera. I am still in the design phase of my camera and wanted to see how
the film advance mechanism worked as well as if there is a curved back
support to the film. As of now I have plans and a foam board prototype that
I am am still messing with to no avail. Thanks for the reply. Heck if I can
make this out of foam board or even thin plywood I would be happy to set up
an extension to my site and let the world know how it is done.




negative scanner (was RE: [pinhole-discussion] The panopin)

2003-04-21 Thread Rauch, Shelley
Don,

I would like to find out some more information about scanning negatives.  Do 
you need a specialized scanner to do this, or merely something 'high-end'?

Thanks, 
Shelley




-Original Message-
From: D. Hill [mailto:zopp...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 11:31 PM
To: pinhole-discussion@p at ???
Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] The panopin


The images created with my digital darkroom
are quite inspiring, an besides,  with polaroid who
really needs a darkroom?

Don 




Re: [pinhole-discussion] The panopin

2003-04-20 Thread D. Hill
Cj and All - 

Regarding the darkroom, I have almost given up on
mine.  Last week CompUSA had a great deal on the new
Epson 3200 scanner that I could not pass up. 
Accordingly, I have spent the last week scanning and
printing various negatives (pinhole and otherwise),
via MIS Quadtones and I can only say that I am truly
amazed.  The best part - today after a
not-so-productive day of shooting (and a much more
productive day of building pinholes) I had my final
images in a very short period of time.

Polaroid, Pinhole, and Digital are three great peas in
a pod.  The images created with my digital darkroom
are quite inspiring, an besides,  with polaroid who
really needs a darkroom?

Don 


> Currently I am using a 4x5 camera I made up and
using Polaroid 55 type film. I am hoping to scan in
the negatives and then use my computer to keep an
album of my work. I do not have a darkroom available.
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Re: [pinhole-discussion] The panopin

2003-04-20 Thread James Kellar
I happen to be the proud owner of Mottweiler Design pinoramic camera. I 
don't think Kurt Mottweiler is making the camera, but you can see it at 
http://www.cnsp.com/mdesign/. It is a great camera.


james



On Sunday, April 20, 2003, at 01:24  PM, CJ Rumpolo wrote:


I am enjoying each moment so far, has anyone had
experience with the panopin camera?

Re: [pinhole-discussion] The panopin

2003-04-20 Thread CJ Rumpolo
Thanks for the reply. But the panopin is a panoramic camera that uses a
curved film plane to give a 120 degree angle of view. The curved film plan
helps to reduce curvature of the image. There is a website that sells the
camera and also shows sample images and I am trying to get something to give
me this perspective in my photography.




Re: [pinhole-discussion] The panopin

2003-04-20 Thread Wally & Wolfgang Thoma-Schuermans
CJ Rumpolo wrote:
> 
> Hi, and a happy holiday to all. I was wondering, since I am pretty much a
> newbie at pinholing, and I am enjoying each moment so far, has anyone had
> experience with the panopin camera? I am thinking about getting one though I
> am still designing one of my own (the fun part for myself), I just do not
> have an idea on how to get the film advance mechanism to work. Also just how
> do paper negatives compare to film negatives? If the paper negatives are
> just as good then I can forego the film advance mechanism.

What do you mean with panopin? 360 degrees or just "elongated"? If it's
the lasr one, a suggestion:
a)transform a Holga 120S into a pinhole camera (enough links one the
net) and then:
b)load her with 35 mm film!
See
http://www.theverb.com/holga/modification.htm

or Kim Taylor who did the same with a Lubitel 166
http://www.toycamera.com/KTaylor/index.html

If you are satisfied with 180 degrees, have a look on this page and
scroll down till "Marina Klein Willebroek"
http://users.pandora.be/taco/pinholes/mypinholes.html

Taco




[pinhole-discussion] The panopin

2003-04-20 Thread CJ Rumpolo
Hi, and a happy holiday to all. I was wondering, since I am pretty much a
newbie at pinholing, and I am enjoying each moment so far, has anyone had
experience with the panopin camera? I am thinking about getting one though I
am still designing one of my own (the fun part for myself), I just do not
have an idea on how to get the film advance mechanism to work. Also just how
do paper negatives compare to film negatives? If the paper negatives are
just as good then I can forego the film advance mechanism.
Currently I am using a 4x5 camera I made up and using Polaroid 55 type
film. I am hoping to scan in the negatives and then use my computer to keep
an album of my work. I do not have a darkroom available. Any feedback would
be most welcome. Enjoy. Oh and in keeping with the Easter holiday I was
wondering, has anyone thought about blowing out eggs and then coating the
inside with light sensitive emulsion exposing the eggs and then developing
and carefully cutting the eggs open? I see it in my head but its just one of
those random thoughts I get every  now and again. CJ