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Hi Guy, New to this forum and type of photography, but wanted to throw my two cents in about the weatherconsider what Siberian native said to a naive touristIn Siberia, we have 9 months of winter, but otherwise, its summer and summer all the time. To allmost blessed of Christmas, Feliz Navidad, Joyeuz Noel, Froeliche Weinachten...
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Joao, Guillermo, Look at it this way: for us guys in the norther hemisphere, it's uphill from now on: the daylight period is increasing by about 2 seconds everyday. Cold confort with another 30cm of snow forecasted for Montréal tomorrow... -:) -:( Best wishes for X-mas, New Year and all that to everyone on the list! Guy Glorieux Montréal, Canada Joao Ribeiro wrote: Hi Guillermo, Well, here summer officially started today, Dec. 21st at 11:30. It promises temperatures well above 35 o C and lots of rain. Cheers Joao G.Penate wrote: - Original Message - From: Joao Ribeiro jribe...@greco.com.br Oh, Joao, since you're from Brazil, you might also enjoy the following reference from the same source: A Use for that Last Cup of Coffee: Film and Paper Development or how to process your prints in coffee! http://www.rit.edu/~andpph/text-coffee.html I saw this article but never gave it a try. I wouldn't develop my films with it but paper prints, why not? I've been using coffee as a toner for a while now, Oh, a very hot and comforting cafezinho from Brazil is what I need to tone the gray days we are having here in the east of Canada. Winter just started officially this morning, but we have couple of very snowy weeks, so far. Guillermo ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/ ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/
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Hi Guillermo, Well, here summer officially started today, Dec. 21st at 11:30. It promises temperatures well above 35 o C and lots of rain. Cheers Joao G.Penate wrote: - Original Message - From: Joao Ribeiro jribe...@greco.com.br Oh, Joao, since you're from Brazil, you might also enjoy the following reference from the same source: A Use for that Last Cup of Coffee: Film and Paper Development or how to process your prints in coffee! http://www.rit.edu/~andpph/text-coffee.html I saw this article but never gave it a try. I wouldn't develop my films with it but paper prints, why not? I've been using coffee as a toner for a while now, Oh, a very hot and comforting cafezinho from Brazil is what I need to tone the gray days we are having here in the east of Canada. Winter just started officially this morning, but we have couple of very snowy weeks, so far. Guillermo ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/
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Guy Glorieux wrote: Not at present. She looks at me on the computer and the internet and says: not for me... Of the two of us, I'm sure she is the wisest! Oh, the time wasted on the internet or fixing faulty systems on the computer... -:)) She is probably right! How would this work? Digital IR, this is the first time I hear about this. How exactly do you set the camera to cut down on the precise frequency of IR? Or do you just use a full IR filter? Are the light cells sensitive to IR? Hmmm! I have a friend who would want to know all about this area! Actually it isn't my idea, check this site: I just use an IR filter and some speed adjustments in the camera, pretty easy :) Oh, Joao, since you're from Brazil, you might also enjoy the following reference from the same source: A Use for that Last Cup of Coffee: Film and Paper Development or how to process your prints in coffee! http://www.rit.edu/~andpph/text-coffee.html I've tried it and it works. Very long processing times but interesting sepia-tone-type of results. Looks like very ancient photographs... I saw this article but never gave it a try. I wouldn't develop my films with it but paper prints, why not? I've been using coffee as a toner for a while now, I do bromoils and they look great when coffee toned, the paper base becomes warmer in color. Now that you mentioned, it might work with lith films as well. Cheers Joao
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Colin Talcroft wrote: Although Tina has been kind enough to praise some of my BW ZP experiments (http://www2.gol.com/users/talcroft/PinholeSite/zoneplate.html). Very nice, Colin. I remember having seen them before and I enjoy them as much today. Again, there is a nice InfraRed touch to ZP that you've captured well! How about zone lens instead of zone plate? Try zone system... Ooops, already copyrighted... -:)) Best, Guy
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Joao Ribeiro wrote: C,a va' Guy, By contrast, my spouse is a BW person and she has turned into a ZP addict, producing effects quite similar to infra-red. Which naturally led her to test IR film with ZP. But then the combination of the two was too contrasty, so she's doing either ZP or IR. I always wanted to know how IR ZP would look like. Does she have a web site? Not at present. She looks at me on the computer and the internet and says: not for me... Of the two of us, I'm sure she is the wisest! Oh, the time wasted on the internet or fixing faulty systems on the computer... -:)) IR films are prohibited here in Brazil (don't ask me why) This is really weird! so the best I can do now is digital IR with my nikon 950. How would this work? Digital IR, this is the first time I hear about this. How exactly do you set the camera to cut down on the precise frequency of IR? Or do you just use a full IR filter? Are the light cells sensitive to IR? Hmmm! I have a friend who would want to know all about this area! Maybe in the future I'll convert it to ZP. It should be fairly easy. BTW, for those who are interested, an easy way to create an IR filter is to take a piece of unexposed chrome film and to have it processed. It will be opaque, of course, but it will not block IR wavelength. Put it on your flash, the flash will block conventional light waves but will create a source of IR. Neat See Andrew Davidhazy: http://www.rit.edu/~andpph/text-infrared-filter.html There are quite a number of other interesting IR-related (and non-IR-related) articles from Andrew on the following site, including (I've just discovered) articles on digital IR which you might enjoy. Check: http://www.rit.edu/~andpph/articles.html Oh, Joao, since you're from Brazil, you might also enjoy the following reference from the same source: A Use for that Last Cup of Coffee: Film and Paper Development or how to process your prints in coffee! http://www.rit.edu/~andpph/text-coffee.html I've tried it and it works. Very long processing times but interesting sepia-tone-type of results. Looks like very ancient photographs... I do both, but mainly ZP as I have it installed on a 35 mm camera, so it is always with me and in bright days I can handheld the camera. Yeap! This is how she works too. Best, Guy Glorieux Montreal, Canada
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C,a va' Guy, By contrast, my spouse is a BW person and she has turned into a ZP addict, producing effects quite similar to infra-red. Which naturally led her to test IR film with ZP. But then the combination of the two was too contrasty, so she's doing either ZP or IR. I always wanted to know how IR ZP would look like. Does she have a web site?IR films are prohibited here in Brazil (don't ask me why) so the best I can do now is digital IR with my nikon 950. Maybe in the future I'll convert it to ZP. P.S. I wonder how many people on the list do ZP together with PH. Is there a ZP Vision group?The two are both very close and yet very distant apart from an esthetic perspective, at least in my humble opinion. I do both, but mainly ZP as I have it installed on a 35 mm camera, so it is always with me and in bright days I can handheld the camera. Best Regards Joao
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G.Penate wrote: Here is another zoneplate image taken with the same camera: http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/images/sirwinston.jpg Guillermo The Ghost of Sir Winston. ! Mike Vande Bunt
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--- Guy Glorieux guy.glori...@sympatico.ca wrote: P.S. I wonder how many people on the list do ZP together with PH. Is there a ZP Vision group?The two are both very close and yet very distant apart from an esthetic perspective, at least in my humble opinion. Guy, I think this is a very intereting subject. I've been pinholing since I was a teenager in the early 1970s, but had never even heard of a zone plate until I joined this list about a year ago. I thought zone plate a very misleading term. I kept imagining something hard and rigid--a plate. I think ZP is much less well-known and suffers from the difficulty of creating a zone plate relative to creaitng a pinhole (we all know that even a ragged pin prick in aluminum foil will produce a pinhole image). I have found ZP frustrating in both color and black and white, but (generally speaking) I have so far liked the color images I have seen by other people better than the BW images. Although Tina has been kind enough to praise some of my BW ZP experiments (http://www2.gol.com/users/talcroft/PinholeSite/zoneplate.html). Maybe a poll is in order to get some idea how many on the list know about and have tried ZP photography?--or maybe it doesn't matter at all. Anyway, I think both are interesting and continue to believe it's the result that counts. Colin How about zone lens instead of zone plate? ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
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Joao Ribeiro wrote: Hi Guillermo, This one is even more interesting! I was yet to see a zp bw photo that I really liked. I think zp works better with color. Interesting! I'm a clor person and I've tried ZP in color but never managed to get anything really interesting while my color PH works terrific. As if the blending/overlaps of colors in ZP never really quite matched esthetically for me. By contrast, my spouse is a BW person and she has turned into a ZP addict, producing effects quite similar to infra-red. Which naturally led her to test IR film with ZP. But then the combination of the two was too contrasty, so she's doing either ZP or IR. I don't usually dislike bw zp, but I think it looses much of its power. But this one is really great. Powerful shot indeed! Guy Glorieux Montreal, Canada P.S. I wonder how many people on the list do ZP together with PH. Is there a ZP Vision group?The two are both very close and yet very distant apart from an esthetic perspective, at least in my humble opinion.
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Hi Guillermo, This one is even more interesting! I was yet to see a zp bw photo that I really liked. I think zp works better with color. I don't usually dislike bw zp, but I think it looses much of its power. But this one is really great. Joao Here is another zoneplate image taken with the same camera: http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/images/sirwinston.jpg Guillermo
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From: Joao Ribeiro jribe...@greco.com.br Very nice picture!! Looks pretty much like a night shot. From: George L Smyth glsm...@yahoo.com Nice use of the Zone plate, and nice composition. From: Mike Vande Bunt mike.vandeb...@mixcom.com Wow. The darkening makes it look like a night time photo. Great ZP effect and stunningly good composition. Thank you all for your kind comments. Here is another zoneplate image taken with the same camera: http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/images/sirwinston.jpg Guillermo
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Wow. The darkening makes it look like a night time photo. Great ZP effect and stunningly good composition. Mike Vande Bunt G.Penate wrote: http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/images/tanks.jpg Made using 120 color film. Deep blue sky + polarizer filter Quick Lab processed and printed (4x4) Exposure based on steel tanks made quick lab machine print the blue sky very dark blue (almost black) Steel tanks color shifted to very light purple, flat bed scanning the print shifted it even more. Sky scanned almost pure black. Lens was a 63mm Zoneplate f/64 homemade, exposure about a second. (multiple 1/15secs exposures on my modified Lubitel) Guillermo ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/
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--- G.Penate pen...@home.com wrote: http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/images/tanks.jpg Nice use of the Zone plate, and nice composition. Cheers - george = Handmade Photographic Images http://members.home.net/hmpi/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
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Hi Guillermo, Very nice picture!! Looks pretty much like a night shot. I'm glad you're back Joao
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- Original Message - From: William Erickson erick...@ic.mankato.mn.us Lovely effect. What time of day? Just before 2pm. BTW, north of the 49th parallel, where I live, the sun's altituted at 2pm is just about 25 degrees (I'd say) during mid November when I made the exposure. Guillermo - Original Message - From: G.Penate pen...@home.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 5:24 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] ZP image http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/images/tanks.jpg
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Lovely effect. What time of day? - Original Message - From: G.Penate pen...@home.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 5:24 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] ZP image http://www.p at ???/discussion/upload/images/tanks.jpg Made using 120 color film. Deep blue sky + polarizer filter Quick Lab processed and printed (4x4) Exposure based on steel tanks made quick lab machine print the blue sky very dark blue (almost black) Steel tanks color shifted to very light purple, flat bed scanning the print shifted it even more. Sky scanned almost pure black. Lens was a 63mm Zoneplate f/64 homemade, exposure about a second. (multiple 1/15secs exposures on my modified Lubitel) Guillermo ___ Pinhole-Discussion mailing list Pinhole-Discussion@p at ??? unsubscribe or change your account at http://www.p at ???/discussion/
