Re: [PLUG] Web site URL points to localhost
https://web.archive.org/web/20160922124922/http://krebsonsecurity.com/ is the last internet archive has, from 2016/09/22 (the comments section on the article go to 09/21), so it's up to the last 24 hours or so. On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Thu, 22 Sep 2016, Ali Corbin wrote: > > > His service provider (who was suffering the affects of the attack) > > unloaded him. Until he can get back up, your only recourse is to find > > caches of the site. >Checking site caches will not show me any articles he's published > recently. I check his site each morning to learn who else has been hacked > and whether I'm at risk. > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Video surveillance
On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Ishak Micheil wrote: > I recall this may have been hashed out previously, however the time has > come for me to actually stop reading and begin the work in building it. > > I am looking for basic functionality with recording playback. Remote > monitoring would be nice but not required. Also software that is compatible > with wireless IP cameras and possibly multiple brands so I am not chasing > drivers or compiling issues. > I, too, am new to this... journey? The market seems weirdly flooded with options, terminology, pricing points, it's all quite foreign to me. > Storage plan would be NAS attached with weekly rotation. > > There are so many options with very little experience. > > What should I be looking for? > Certainly open source would be my preference however I won't be shy to > hesitate if the cost is reasonable. > I am currently poking at https://zoneminder.com/ , but would also appreciate the wisdom of peers and feedback. -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Slightly OT: Good HTML design books
Warning: Some of this is a bit rant-ish from watching the last 25 years of web silliness unfold On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Jim Garrison wrote: > As to the overall topic of "HTML Design", nowadays HTML is only a > small piece of the puzzle. HTML as originally conceived was a > mishmash of both content structure and presentation. Nitpick: HTML, as concieved, was for marking up hypertext documents. It said nothing about presentation. No colors, no fonts, no page layout, A tagset could indiciate a page break, a line break, a pause in text-to-speech engines. HTML, as extended, added things it shouldn't have, like colors, fonts, graphics instead of text, scripting overlays of page interactions, and eventually people were putting entire pages inside of a structures meant for tabular data, that were completely non-portable, required huge amounts of bandwidth, and reduculous amounts of times to make trivial changes, couldn't be changed for text-to-speech, cell phone formats, document indexing, document re-puposing (such as using the same markup for PDFs, slide presentations (etc.), bulk redesign of all collateral, (etc.). This has caused a huge amount of problems, and created an entire industry of people who just "translate" between incompatible presentation and redering systems which wasn't a problem with HTML, it was a problem created by *adding* things to HTML. Usually to make it "look" certain ways. > Modern web > design strives to separate content from presentation by using > CSS to control layout and HTML to transmit appropriately tagged > and identified content. Definitely. > The third piece of the puzzle is Javascript, which is REQUIRED > to achieve any kind of fluid design because of CSS's limitations. Again, to nitpick: Javascript to make fluid design is not fixing the problem of HTML content becoming encumbered with presentation and rendering layers. CSS as a tool to enhance presentation and rendering design has been quite useful, but it has serious limitations... Javascript as a tool to enhance presentation and rendering design has been quite useful, but it has serious limitations Javascript+CSS can create the appearance of fluid rendering niceties, but if the content itself is not well designed, it's just duct tape, bondo, and spackle. Properly marked up and stylized content can be rendered any way the end user wants it to be rendered. > There are many layouts that cannot be achieved using only > CSS and HTML (play around with position:fixed and position:absolute > for awhile) or require abhorrent hacks to implement (duplicate > content under a fixed header). Those are usually rendering issues. That's a part of design, certainly, but there is an underlying battle here, between who owns, and controls, the final rendered design. HTML+CSS+Javascript allows a user to have a 9:16 page, and a 16:9 page, or a text only page, on as many columns or whatever layout they want, if the end users can easialy throw away layers and ignore things like fonts, colors, images, visual locations of information, activities of information interaction. This horrifies people who think in terms of the final rendered output and action sets as their goal especially when their design falls apart by doing something like increasing the font size by 50%, or turning off images. > Any book that focuses on HTML is like a book on automobile maintenance > that covers only the interior trim. Web design, especially responsive > web design, requires all three (HTML, CSS, Javascript), and of those > three HTML is by far the simplest part. If one is requiring rendering-specific niceties (i.e., Javascript) for your content to be usable, they have potentially made it useless for people with vision issues... To re-use the metaphor, if a manual is focusing on making a car look fast and shiney, but doesn't cover the underlying mechanical setup, a car can "look" great, but still be sluggish and unusable. A book on HTML only would be like a book on basic automobile mechanics... it'll get you a usable vehicle, but it's not going to get you an automatic spoiler in cherry red. A book on the latest fads in HTML+CSS+Javascript (aka "HTML 5", which isn't about HTML anymore, it's about the latest incarnation of the stack) can take you down the road of building a shiney car tricked out in all the latest fashions, which is of course subject to complete obsolecence in another 5-10 years. So, depending on your goals, how much do you want to focus on fashion and aesthetics, and how much to you want to focus on raw horsepower and speed, and how much do you want to focus on flexibility and utility, or, to put it another (much more elegant) way As Louis Kowolowski asked in this thread: "What kind of site are you wanting to create and maintain?" If google is complaining about how your site "looks" on a cell phone, get a few cycles on some cell phones and see if it's usable. Look at the site on a big screen TV, look at it
Re: [PLUG] Virtualbox Issue?
What have you tried doing to clean up windows itself? Dump update files and whatnot already? http://www.cnet.com/how-to/delete-windows-update-files-to-regain-hard-drive-space/ On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Dick Steffens wrote: > On 12/01/2015 10:10 AM, Ken Stephens wrote: > > > Get windirstat command at https://windirstat.info/download.html. It > > will get you a map of your windows system that will tell you exactly > > what you need to know about file sizes. > > Cool graph. > > 94% is the directory Windows > 52.8% is Windows\winsxs > 16.1% is Windows\Logs > Everything else is under 10% each, mostly under 1%. > > I found instructions for expanding the size of the virtual disk drive. > It's pretty clear that, unless I turn off logging and delete all the > existing logs (probably a bad idea), that's the only way to gain more > space. And, I've seen several recommendations calling for double the > size virtual drive I currently have. > > On to the next step. > > Thanks for the recommendation. > > -- > Regards, > > Dick Steffens > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] systemd
On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Denis Heidtmann wrote: > To me, an uninformed and basically ignorant Linux user, this exchange > appears to be an argument (sometimes nasty) between two philosophers. > Because, as is the case in all philosophical arguments, the vocabulary is > esoteric I cannot profit from reading the dialog. Not to say that my lack > of understanding is typical of other readers. > > Are there any readers of this discussion having a suitable pedagogical bent > willing to present the issues to those needing education? > The older init systems have had a bunch of problems, and workarounds, built into them over the years. A newer init system attempted to solve a bunch of problems, and in doing so, broke with established conventions, so it both fixed stuff, and broke stuff. There is a lot of argument over the importance and value of the fixes, individually, and in aggregate, as well as the breaks, individually and in aggregate. Beyond that, I can't really do justice to explaining the arguments without weighing in (even accidentally) with opinions... suffice to say that because the init system is a very broadly used portion of the operating system, it has a very large number of user opinions that come with it. -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Political question re: PLUG recordings
On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Michael Dexter wrote: > > Hello all, > > To state the obvious, I have not had time to clean up and post the > various recordings of recent PLUG meetings. > > A company I am working with is willing to do it for acknowledgement that > they did it, either using their own YouTube channel or setting up > another one if feasible. > > How strong are people about PLUG videos being a affiliated with a > company in any way? To date we have complimentary Internet hosting from > SpireTech. > > Thanks, > > Michael Dexter > PLUG Volunteer > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] VirtualBox Question
Are you asking how your 14 can mount the 12 disk as a drive, so your 14 can see the Virtualbox image on that 12 disk? On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Dick Steffens wrote: > My desktop is dual boot to either Ubuntu 12.04 or Ubuntu 14.04. They are > installed in separate hard drives, not separate partitions on the same > drive. I have VirtualBox installed on each. In the Ubuntu 12.04 > installation I have a Windows 7 virtual machine. I tried exporting it to > the installation on Ubuntu 14.04, but the Windows copy protection system > doesn't like that it's on a different drive. I know that I can do > something with MS to move the installation to a different drive, but at > this point I'm testing to see if I want to switch to 14 or stay with 12 > a bit longer, and I'd rather not mess with "moving" my virtual Win 7. > > Is there some way to tell VirtualBox on my 14 installation to use the > virtual machine on the 12 installation's drive? If so, what is the > concept called so I can search for instructions on how to do it? > > Thanks. > > -- > Regards, > > Dick Steffens > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I have no experience with installing Linux, can anyone help?
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Vedanta Teacher < orevedantateac...@gmail.com> wrote: > > After cursing MS since 1985 (?) I'd finally like to completely drop > all MS products as far as is piratical. > Ya! (The clinic is a great option for your first few setups. ) -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] TONIGHT: November PLUG Meeting: ownCloud
https://www.google.com/search?q=1930+SW+4th&oq=1930+SW+4th&aqs=chrome..69i57.10007j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8 On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Michael Dexter wrote: > Portland Linux/Unix Group General Meeting Announcement > > Who: Jesse Bufton > What: ownCloud > Where: PSU, 1930 SW 4th Ave. Room FAB 86-01 (Lower Level) > When: Thursday, November 6th, 2014 at 7pm > Why: The pursuit of technology freedom > Stream: http://pdxlinux.org/live/ > > Web-based file hosting, synchronization, and collaborative editing > services have made sharing files easier than ever. While these features > aren't new, the web 2.0 cloud context they are being offered through has > brought them to the reach of the average user with low barriers to use. > These freemium services often come at a hidden price of control, > privacy, and usually security. This presentation will give an overview > of what ownCloud is, why one might use it, what technologies it employs, > the services & features it offers, how to set it up, and discuss the use > case the presenter has deployed. > > Jesse Bufton is an independent web designer/developer and sometimes > graphic designer. Jesse began his journey to *nix operating systems in > 2000. In his most zen of moments, Jesse forages wild plants, hunts > mushrooms, and ferments both food and beverage with friends--all > accounted for on the blog Fermentemptations.com > > Calagator Page: http://calagator.org/events/1250466921 > > Many will head to the Lucky Lab at 1945 NW Quimby St. after the meeting. > > Rideshares Available > > PLUG Page with information about all PLUG events: http://pdxlinux.org/ > Follow PLUG on Twitter: http://twitter.com/pdxlinux > > PLUG is open to everyone and does not tolerate abusive behavior on its > mailing lists or at its meetings. > > See you there! > > Michael Dexter > PLUG Volunteer > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] a RANT, was Re: Ubuntu Long Term Support?
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Keith Lofstrom wrote: > In the real world, not the software one, vast change occurs behind > standardized interfaces. When I plug in a toaster, it works, > regardless of whether the power comes from California or British > Columbia, coal plant or solar cell. My cell phone adapter kit disagrees. Something as numbingly simple as a wall voltage interface is still wildly different around the world. > Interoperability and > consistency permits modern civilization, without which no programmer > would have a physically stable environment to program in, much less > a vast network of interoperable standard hardware that can move their > code-typing to the far side of the planet in a fraction of a second. > I agree that standards are awesome, which is why there are so many to choose from. Flexibility, within a range of parameters, is what I would argue "Makes things work". > P.P.S. ... http ... foo.com ... thank you Tim Berners-Lee and > Brad Templeton for some surprisingly durable standards. Your > shit still works after decades, the addons maybe sorta. > > It's funny how things get polluted. -Bop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] a RANT, was Re: Ubuntu Long Term Support?
Nice rant. Unfortunately, the "self-indulgent, change-hypnotized, aspergers-crippled, new-hardware junkies" are the ones *trying* to make things so users "can express their needs and desires in everyday, sloppy, inprecise human language, and have those desires translate automatically into an updated, secure, bug-resistant stack of software and hardware that is open and maintainable all the way down to the transistors on the silicon"... Which means that until we reach that (impossible) utopia, things are going to change fast, change often, and make people who want consistency pretty uncomfortable. On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Keith Lofstrom wrote: > On Tue, Aug 05, 2014 at 08:31:57AM -0700, Dick Steffens wrote: > > It's not just the Ubuntu folks, though. The version of Libre Office that > > comes with 14 changes some things that my fingers learned how to do. > ... > > There were other little annoyances I've now forgotten, but it was enough > > to make me very happy when I went back to 12. > ... > > ... And since Ubuntu wants the world to go to Unity, > > I'm looking at alternatives that understand > > the value of not fixing things that aren't broke. > > > > F/OSS software won't be truly "libre" until we wrest control of > part of the development space away from the self-indulgent, change- > hypnotized, aspergers-crippled, new-hardware junkies who dominate > most of the common distros. What they create for our community is > important, but it is by no means the only creativity, and is > sometimes much more destructive than productive for the larger > community. We should seize the freedom to remix, rewrite, and quite > often reject their sometimes brilliant and sometimes incredibly > stupid code, and create our own distros and distro-creation systems, > adapted for the vast majority of people who have more important > tasks to do with their precious time and unique skills, instead of > updating and too-often regressing computers. > > I once got into a shouting match with Richard Stallman (but then, > who hasn't?) about the incompleteness of his "four freedoms" in > the real world. What is the F/OSS community doing to protect > other people's personal investment in hardware, skills, ad-hoc > self-created software, and legacy data? Why should the general > public protect a few software creator's freedoms when they show > such cavalier disregard for ours? > > Some of us came to Linux specifically to escape the consumerist > treadmill that underlies proprietary software and hardware, the > creation of new security holes associated with rapidly-expanding > bloatware, the conformity imposed by dependence on the walled > gardens created by avaricious style-junkies. > > Out here in the real world, people actually do stuff with computers, > like feed, house, clothe, educate, transport, and protect people > like Stallman, even providing him with crap like the HFCS-laden > Coca-Cola that he drinks while he natters on about ideological > purity. If he honestly extended his alleged principles to the > inputs to his own life, including the closed-design hardware that > runs his GNOO-LEENOOKS software, he would be running GNOO-LEENOOKS > on piles of sticks, shivering in the winter cold, and losing weight > fast. Myself, I will not reject the chisel I use to break the > walls of our common prison, even if it was created by slave labor. > > Ubuntu has lost its way, though it has become the springboard for > many other derivative distros (just as Ubuntu is a derivative of > Debian). Everyday users won't have true software freedom until they > can express their needs and desires in everyday, sloppy, inprecise > human language, and have those desires translate automatically into > an updated, secure, bug-resistant stack of software and hardware > that is open and maintainable all the way down to the transistors on > the silicon. Until then, we compromise, and devote way too much > effort doing stuff that ought to be automated, and cleaning up after > the childish clowns who we allow to screw up way too much of the > software we use. > > One of the many reasons I respect Linus Torvalds is that he will > tell code developers, bluntly and sarcastically, when they screw > up, when their lazy, thoughtless code-typing risks the commons we > all depend on. I fear that we depend too much on him, and don't > add our own efforts and scrutiny to the creative process, > shouldering some of the burden so that he isn't broken by it, > and preparing for that sad day when time or accident takes his > contributions from us. > > Even Stallman has something to add here, perhaps more than his lazy > habits and blind arrogance subtract, and we should also encourage > new "bad cops" to attack the most egregious transgressions > against our freedoms (hundreds of them, not just four). > > I feel your pain, Brother Steffens. While the open technology > projects I work on will not directly address most of your problems, > I hope t
[PLUG] Need F/OSS solution for tracking non-profit resources. Google hasn't helped.
Background: Multi-state non-profit needs to get more geeky. They connect vulnerable, and sometimes volatile, folks with aid. http://www.thecupcakegirls.org/ So, I've found a ton of "non-profit donor management" software, and lots of "contact management" software (like salesforce), but nothing that seems to fit right. Here's how I understand the puzzle: On the input end, somebody finds (for example) a dentist willing to do some side work, so they get their name into the system, and their offered work. On the storage end: It collects a huge DB of all kinds of offered resources. On the output end, relatively computer illiterate people (who have been doing this in spreadsheets, or their brains) connect a need with a donor. So: person A needs a babysitter person B needs a chiropractor person C needs a driver person D needs a therapy session person X looks up all those needs, and finds donors for each. I'd hate to re-write a system that already existed, as it seems obvious enough that it already *should* exist, but my google-fu hasn't helped. Any suggestions of extant software, or things that are close? -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] rsync overwrote newer files
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Robert Citek wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rich Shepard
> wrote:
> ...
> > rsync -avz * salmo:documents/workshop-presentations/nada-talk/
> ...
> >What rsync syntax error did I commit?
> Sounds like you wanted the --update option:
> -u, --updateskip files that are newer on the receiver
> rsync -avz --update * ${B}:documents/workshop-presentations/nada-talk/
> Just be careful as this assumes that machines A and B are sync'ed to
> the same time.
>
NTP can be your friend. I've seen huge amounts of borkage because of clock
drift, and some distros that don't enable it by default, so machines are
off by 8-12 hours(!) after only a couple of weeks.
/me glares at SLES
-Ronabop
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Re: [PLUG] Hardware Software Interface
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instruction_set might be a good midpoint to start at. Code compiles to very, very, simple instructions, which are derived from a huge legacy of computing... for example, you mentioned electrons (or "elections", heh), but I started with paper tape storage, which was later related to drum storage, which spawned other kinds of magnetic and chip storage. As an alternate to starting at a midpoint, maybe start at the beginning, and work your way through the history of computing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_computing It's about 4,000 years long, but to simplify (which is why so many things go abstract), we invented machines that count beads really freaking fast, and then used bead-counting as a way of doing things that didn't, at first, seem to involve counting. On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Travisseal wrote: > > Dear enthusiasts, > I am having a rough time visualizing the mechanisms that translate > compiled code into binary instructions. Most resources use very vague > language, like "fetch" and "execute". Although these are primitive > instructions, they are still abstract. How does this "fetch" go about > driving down a bus, picking up elections stored in a memory cells, and > translating them into something useful?(keep in mind hisenburg principal) > Call me faithless, but can someone provide me material that goes this > deep. > > Thank you for reading my sob story. > > Travis > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Virtualbox, Android
http://www.kirsle.net/blog/kirsle/android-4-0-in-virtualbox notes problems with sound, video, screen rotation, apps that are optimized for ARM chips... Interesting find. On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Keith Lofstrom wrote: > It seems that an Android virtual machine can run inside Virtualbox. > Which suggests that Android apps can run in a virtual machine on a > laptop, and that I don't have to buy an Android tablet or phone to > use some apps and services without native Linux implementations. > An example is gotomeeting.com > > Maybe. > > Is anyone here running virtualized Android? What opportunities > and limitations have you encountered? I'd guess the main problem > is lack of a touchscreen; perhaps you can fake one finger with > the mouse, but not two. I also imagine DRM gets in the way. > > Keith > > -- > Keith Lofstrom kei...@keithl.com Voice (503)-520-1993 > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Creating a new launch item in Unity
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Bruce Kilpatrick wrote: > > I want to create a new launch item in the launcher, specifically > > gnome-terminal -e virtualbox. > > The "help" says drag the icon of the application to the launcher. OK. > > Create an icon. > > Using Dash, I enter in the search bar "terminal". I get two application > > hits: Xterm and Uxterm. I get "terminal" as well, in Ubuntu 12.10. > > Also, I can launch but one terminal from the launcher. I need to use > > the first terminal to launch another. > After you launch a terminal, can you right click the resulting icon in the launcher and select "Lock to Launcher"? You can also select "New Terminal" with a right click... > > So I guess I need to find some non-gui way to put something in the > launcher. > Long rundown with lots of options http://askubuntu.com/questions/13758/how-can-i-edit-create-new-launcher-items-in-unity-by-hand?rq=1 > If you would prefer, Ctl-Alt-t is the keyboard shortcut for the Terminal > app. I think it still works in Unity. > Works in 12.10... Was this of any help, or did you want the virtualbox argument as well, and maybe even custom menu items for it? If so: http://askubuntu.com/questions/13758/how-can-i-edit-create-new-launcher-items-in-unity-by-hand?rq=1 -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] upgrade from 11.04 to 12.04
On Jan 15, 2013 8:15 PM, "John Jason Jordan" wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:37:54 -0800 > Denis Heidtmann dijo: > > >Thanks to both of you. I will likely take what appears at this point > >to be the easier route (upgrade), hoping that it will not prove more > >difficult in the long run. > > One good point in favor of upgrading is that, if it goes horribly wrong > and you have a system too messed up to fix, you can just turn around > and do a fresh install. In other words, you might as well try an > upgrade, because there is nothing lost in doing so. > > But one caution: Be very sure that nothing happens to your net > connection during the upgrade. Ubuntu downloads the new packages and > installs them as it does so. If you lose the net connection in the > middle you will have a partially upgraded operating system. > During my 12.10 upgrade, my wireless died. Hard wire if you can. ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] scripting CPAN module install.
perl -MCPAN -e 'force install REST::Client' may still fail the tests, but install alternately: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/catalyst/users/17439?do=post_view_threaded might help? -Stabbingawayinthedarktoobop On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Russell Johnson wrote: > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Russell Senior wrote: > > > What is the command in your script that leads to that question? > > It puts in place a customized Config.pm for CPAN, and then: > > perl -MCPAN -e 'install REST::Client' > > Russell Johnson > r...@dimstar.net > > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Linus is mad at a kernel maintainer
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 9:11 PM, wes wrote: > "Kernel by committee" is essentially how BSD is run. I feel that is the > primary, fundamental difference between the Linux world and the BSD world. > Linux is grown by a community; BSD is designed by a team. The community > contributes heavily to both. > What are the adoption rates of both? -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Linus is mad at a kernel maintainer
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Denis Heidtmann wrote: > I repeat that I do not know the organizational relationships. Are > this guys paid or are they volunteers? If they are paid, why not > silently fire a guy if he is as incompetent as Linus makes him out to > be? Or is Linus exaggerating? > In essence, the submitter was just "fired", at least as far as future patch submission goes. Submitting bad patches, that also break things, is worse than no submissions at all. (As others have noted, it's a meritocracy based ecosystem.) -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] attempting to fix a rsync problem - response
This might help...: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5545440 On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 3:19 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 14:28:11 -0800 > website reader dijo: > > >Does anyone know how to change the .gvfs directory permissions? (other > >than boot up Knoppix and do it that way?) > > When I first ran into this problem a couple years ago that was my first > attempt as well, but I failed. I recall asking on the Ubuntu forums > and, in spite of several replies, no one could come up with a way to > touch the file, not even as root. It did not occur to me to try a > Knoppix CD, but I know that I was amazed that the Gnome people had > figured out a way to lock .gvfs down so tight. > > I'm still curious how they did it. And if we knew how they did it we > might be able figure out how to undo it. > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Disk usage
# blkid On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > Hi > > I have fallen behind in my disk usage knowledge.. > > So something has happen and I don't quite know how to fix it. > > My initial problem was that /home was running out of room.. > > So I created a new directory /home2 and created a new partition on my > terabyte drive. Formatted the partition. Added an entry in > /etc/fstab. I used the old technology. Used /dev/sdd5 instead of > the uuid #. Which I don't know how to determine. > > Anyway. I did an update and needed to reboot the computer.. > > On rebooting.. All the drives are renamed. /dev/sda is now /dev/sdc > and all kinds of stuff.. > > Luckily the system still works. Don't know why.. > > How do I find out the uuid # on the partition I just created so I can > make the right entry in /etc/fstab? > > TIA > > Marvin > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Proposal: A PLUG Code of Conduct
I thought that was a Ghandi quote? On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Michael Dexter wrote: > On 12/7/12 1:08 PM, Paul Heinlein wrote: > > As it's said in the future, > > > > http://www.snorgtees.com/be-excellent-to-each-other > > Hey, but: > > > http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-A-di661C0YY/UCXEIydy6CI/CT8/EVyLtuBaSNA/s1600/abrham++l,incoln.png > > Michael > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Proposal: A PLUG Code of Conduct
> Once the sociopath and his overly earnest (or perhaps likewise sociopathic) correspondent realize the room is empty of spectators, they go home. +1. Even if they don't realize it, eventually they tire out. I've gotten in my fair share of useless debates over the years, and the delete key always proved to be the most powerful solution. Oblig xkcd: http://xkcd.com/386/ -Ronabop On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Paul Heinlein wrote: > On Fri, 7 Dec 2012, Wayne E. Van Loon Sr. wrote: > > While I think it is OK for anyone to publish a list of suggested guide >> lines such as the good list below, I am opposed to any sort of conduct >> police. To avoid another round of stuff similar to 2011-10, that is all >> I'll say. >> > > +1 > > Threads spin out of control all the time -- usually going off-topic, but > occasionally going off-color -- but deleting threads is about the easiest > thing to do in a decent e-mail client. > > Once the sociopath and his overly earnest (or perhaps likewise > sociopathic) correspondent realize the room is empty of spectators, they go > home. > > -- > Paul Heinlein > heinl...@madboa.com > 45°38' N, 122°6' W > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Testing Wired Network Connectivity
So, do linux boxen (as mentioned above) do a "who has" broadcast if they are looking for an IP outside of their subnet? On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Mike C. wrote: > > > > Two hosts on the same network *segment* (physical, and logical) often > don't > > need routing or gateways. You can. however, have a large network (or > even a > > small one) that requires a router. Example: > > Host a) 10.2.0.10/255.255.255.0 > > Host b) 10.3.0.10/255.255.255.0 > > > > > > The linux networking stack may be more forgiving, and just pump out > > "who-has" requests and get a MAC back, but as I read the specs, each host > > above *should* only search in their respective 255.255.255.0 space to > build > > their ARP table,.. but I may be reading it wrong, and welcome correction. > > > > > Perhaps I could've been a bit more specific with my wording. When I say ip > net, I mean ip subnet, which is > what you're referring to with "255.255.255.0". > > It's not about searching in their respective space either. Arp is a > broadcast, broadcasts happen ip subnet wide just > like DHCP requests. Routers which provide connectivity between ip subnets > don't pass broadcasts. > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu: Testing Wired Network Connectivity
"Two hosts on the same ip network don't use any routing protocols. A default gateway is not needed either." Two hosts on the same network *segment* (physical, and logical) often don't need routing or gateways. You can. however, have a large network (or even a small one) that requires a router. Example: Host a) 10.2.0.10/255.255.255.0 Host b) 10.3.0.10/255.255.255.0 The linux networking stack may be more forgiving, and just pump out "who-has" requests and get a MAC back, but as I read the specs, each host above *should* only search in their respective 255.255.255.0 space to build their ARP table,.. but I may be reading it wrong, and welcome correction. On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Mike C. wrote: > Ctrl Alt + T and yes you will need either dhcp or to assign and static IP > > > and setup routing otherwise the host won't know how to connect which is > > nothing to do with Ubuntu but has everything to do with the Network > Stack. > > > > You only need to setup routing if you're trying to communicate to a host > on a different network. Two hosts on the same ip network don't use any > routing protocols. A default gateway is not needed either. > The arp table in each host maps the ip addrs to mac addrs of all the > devices on the same ip net. When you ping an ip address on the same ip > net, an arp table look up is performed to get the mac address and then the > packets are "routed" to the destination mac addr. > > This is applicable even if you have the wireless and wired interface > connected to different LANs, as long as you're connecting to a host on the > same ip net. > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] 5-1/4" Floppy Issue
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:20 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: > It is not only possible, but likely. One of the advantages of the > (then) new 3-1/2" drives was that they were standardized. The bad old > 5-1/4" drives were sometimes 360 MB, > Assuming the disk you want to read is for an IBM PC (or clone), which > at least standardized on 360 MB This typo, repeated twice, amuses me greatly. -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Any 5-1/4" Floppy Drives Out There?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Epson-SD-800-5-25-and-3-5-Floppy-Drive-Combo-5-Head-cleaning-diskette-/290796542358?pt=US_Floppy_Zip_Jaz_Drives&hash=item43b4d31996 (There's some even cheaper at: http://www.ebay.com/sch/Floppy-Zip-Jaz-Drives-/169/i.html ) On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Richard C. Steffens wrote: > Does anyone have a 5-1/4" floppy drive they don't want? > > I tried at Free Geek and learned that they pitch them as soon as they > get them. > > I tried Googling for one. Every site that is listed has 3-1/4" drives, > but no 5-1/4" ones. > > My brother-in-law has a very old DOS program he still uses on a VM. He > got a new printer and needs to read his install floppies in order for > the printer to be recognized. > > -- > Regards, > > Dick Steffens > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Linux Laptop Reviews
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Fri, 19 Oct 2012, Tim Wescott wrote: > >> My Google-Fu fails me. Are there any up-to-date sites that have >> trustworthy reviews of laptops? Are there any up-to-date sites that have >> good information on various laptops and their compatibility to Linux? Are >> there any that do both at once? > >http://www.linux-laptop.net? Tons of dead links there. :( http://www.techdrivein.com/2010/09/7-providers-of-pre-installed-linux.html Has some pre-install vendors, including 76. -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Archive search issue
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Denis Heidtmann wrote: > I attempted to search the archives, but received the following message: > > We're sorry... > > ... but your computer or network may be sending automated queries. To > protect our users, we can't process your request right now. > > See Google Help for more information. > > Advice? Oh, how many times I have seen this message. must be in the thousands (I used to do SEO work back in the day.) It usually results from somebody being on a network where some kind of bot is running some kind of automatic query system, to, for example, find google SERP rankings of different web pages for a given search, or something similar. It works on a timer, and is tied to IP address, so you can just wait, or try from a different network, or through a proxy. If you know what system on your network is slamming google with requests, and you have some control over it, you can throttle it down, and/or encourage them to launder through multiple source IP addresses (via proxies) HTH, -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Where a program stores temporary files
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Russell Senior wrote: >>> Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half >>> full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be. > RJ> I prefer, the glass is at half capacity. > When I was in engineer school that whole metaphor totally baffled me... > Half-full is *EXACTLY* *THE* *SAME* has half-empty!!! The glass is half full of air, half full of water, therefore, the glass is completely full. -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Strange Google Maps behavior
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Denis Heidtmann wrote: > I just clicked on Street View near SE 9th and Hawthorne and ended up INSIDE > a carpet store. ... Is > this the next advertising Google will be presenting us with? Yes, mapping/informing/advertising/etc. See: http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Google-Street-View-walks-into-Portland-businesses/CYjuOc93a0W-mXF5O3XbPg.cspx -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] a LEAN linux using apt-get or yum
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > Don't find a 'server edition' of Debian. Does it exist? How > skinny? netinst, minimal (With soundtrack, if you're into that kind of thing..): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO6QxK0FTRI Takes about 1Gb, if you don't get all GUI http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] a LEAN linux using apt-get or yum
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Bill Barry wrote: > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: >> Normal versions of Debian and Ubuntu fail both ways. >> Comments? > I don't know which normal versions you are talking about, but I always > install Debian using netinst. > http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ > At some point during the installation it asks you which type of system > you are installing and you just uncheck everything. > What you get is a very small installation that will boot to a console. > >From there you can install things as you need them. ^ This. You can actually do similar things with other distributions, but basically, they make it *easy* to have tons of software, but it's quite possible to install very, very, little. -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Flier feedback from the meeting
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Michael Dexter wrote: > On 7/10/12 6:32 PM, D. Cooper Stevenson wrote: >>> Indeed! Alas, 3" wide in black and white will not do it justice. >> >> Challenge accepted: >> >> http://cooper.stevenson.name/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/pdx_waterfront_bw.jpg > > And I trust it's Creative Commons or similar licensed in the spirit of > open source? > What kind of dot gain is expected? What's the output screening/res like? It does have a nice high-contrast, but with low enough screening, and high enough dot gain, everything turns to mud.| ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Intra-networking inconsistent
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Richard C. Steffens wrote: > I've had a home network for many years. I connect to my wife's Winders 7 > machine using Samba. Sometimes the connection works easily, and other > times it does not > ...(Or, feel free to whack me with said stick yourself.) Possibly helpful suggestion: Have you tried other protocols, to eliminate SMB as the cause of your issues? Ranting anger, fueled by too many years of fighting this demon: SMB is a great protocol for non-switched networks, that were built in the era of "Ethernet? That sounds scary" It's not designed for session recovery, retries, high throughput, large networks, etc. It was a serial-LAN technology that got ported (begrudgingly) to TCP/IP, and remains around as part of a standard windows stack, not because it actually works well, or because it's good, or for any reason other than Microsoft can use it for lock-in. If, of course, you'd like some actual link and giggles, try this: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/00/03/24/0752258/jeremy-allison-answers-samba-questions It'll help you out with cultural and technical references on the why, and how, and WTF. -Bop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Flier feedback from the meeting
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Joe Niski wrote: > On 7/6/12 3:02 PM, "Rich Shepard" wrote: >> Look at the headline on page 2. Yes, Intel and others provide a lot of >>capital, but I suspect you meant to describe Portland as an OS capitol. >>:-) > > i had the same initial reaction to "capital" in this context. i checked > Dictionary.com and was surprised at the answer (not how i learned it back > in -ahem- elementary school, lo many decades ago), so remained silent. > Methinks common usage has overtaken my early education. Unfortunately, the > OED is behind a paywall, so i couldn't quickly invoke a Higher Authority. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/capital "The noun capital (1) refers to a city or town that is the seat of government; to a capital letter as opposed to a lowercase letter; and to wealth or resources. The noun Capitol refers primarily to the building in Washington, D.C., in which Congress sits or to similar buildings used by state legislatures. " -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Mac OS X for Linux admin -- server
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Roderick A. Anderson
wrote:
> On 07/05/2012 10:58 AM, Ronald Chmara wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Paul Heinlein wrote:
>>> On Wed, 4 Jul 2012, Roderick A. Anderson wrote:
>>>> The biggest issue right now is the init system. How does Mac OS do it.
>>>> The Redhat based systems use SysV, init.d, etc. I thought the BSD
>>>> derivatives used an init.d or rc.d Couldn't figure out how to
>>>> start/stop/reload a service.
>>> See the launchctl(1), launchd.plist(5), and launchd(8) man pages. OS X has a
>>> concept of daemons that are system-wide and/or per-user.
>> Yeah, totally different world
>> http://osxdaily.com/2010/02/17/track-down-all-startup-login-script-and-application-launches-in-mac-os-x/
>
> Thanks Ron. Man ... was there a exodus of Microsoft programmers to
> Apple? That set up makes about as much sense as the Windows Registry.
The truth, as they say, is stranger than fiction.
It's what happens when an exodus of early Apple/MacOS programmers join
a Mach/BSD startup (NeXT, 1985), and try to make an operating system
based on hybrid OO concepts and Apple ease of use concepts
(NextStep/OpenStep), and then eventually get their work folded back
into the working setup of current Apple products (OS X) starting 11
years (1996) later, with a base product shipping 3 years after that,
which has gradually changed since then.
If you've been an Apple tech for, oh, 20+ years, it totally makes
*some* sense ("Oh, that's where they moved *that* to.") in a perverse
way, as Mac OS 7-9 users got used to "Hold down the shift key to
disable /System/Extensions/, /System/Control Panels/, and /System/,
items from being invoked on startup... ", and other kinds of arcane
things to control something somewhat vaguely similar to runlevels on
boot, based on weird file paths and locations, which *themselves* were
inherited from MacOS 5-6.
-Ronabop
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Re: [PLUG] Mac OS X for Linux admin -- server
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Paul Heinlein wrote: > On Wed, 4 Jul 2012, Roderick A. Anderson wrote: >> The biggest issue right now is the init system. How does Mac OS do it. >> The Redhat based systems use SysV, init.d, etc. I thought the BSD >> derivatives used an init.d or rc.d Couldn't figure out how to >> start/stop/reload a service. > > See the launchctl(1), launchd.plist(5), and launchd(8) man pages. OS X has a > concept of daemons that are system-wide and/or per-user. Yeah, totally different world http://osxdaily.com/2010/02/17/track-down-all-startup-login-script-and-application-launches-in-mac-os-x/ They're all over the place, and a great many are not based on shell scripts or init/rc conventions. -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Sorting Text File By Date
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: > I have a text file with dates in the common US slash-delimited format of > m/d/Y; single digits are not prepended with zeros. The file is in reverse > order; that is, today's date is at the top and the earliest data is at the > bottom. For plotting, I need to reverse the line order. (There's a numeric > value associated with each date.) You're not actually sorting anything, you're just reversing line order? # man rev HTH?, -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Mac Linux Unix Mail
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Keith Lofstrom wrote: > This is for the Mac/BSD/Unix folks. > > I'm integrating a Mac into a small pond of Linux machines. > For email, the Linux machines run postfix, procmail, > spamassassin, and mutt, with postgray on two outwards > facing servers. No gui mail readers, no POP/IMAP stuff. > I'm trying to make things as uniform as possible. > > The (non-technical) Mac user wants to use the Mac Mail > client, and POP/IMAP from her outside account. I also > want to feed internal mails directly into the Mac's > postfix smtp input. The mails are highly sensitive, > I don't want to pass them through any external mail > servers, and I would rather not secure and maintain > dovecot on our internal LAN (I will if I must). Are you, perhaps, making it complicated? A mac is a BSD box with a proprietary GUI. -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] PLUG Mailing List Indexed in Google
http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/ -- The PLUG Archives -- http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/2012-January/thread.html -- The PLUG January 2012 Archive by thread -- http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/2012-January/074836.html -- [PLUG] PLUG Mailing List Indexed in Google mailto:plug%40lists.pdxlinux.org?Subject=%5BPLUG%5D%20PLUG%20Mailing%20List%20Indexed%20in%20Google&In-Reply-To=";> -- On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Daniel Hedlund wrote: > The PLUG mailing list is no longer being archived by Google. It > appears to have stopped collecting data since mid last year. This was > brought to my attention by Michael Rasmussen who mentioned off-list > that he used Google to search the PLUG archives for "arch linux" but > came up empty (I gave a presentation back in October on Arch so I knew > something should've come up). > > Searching Google for +site:pdxlinux.org or +site:lists.pdxlinux.org > and then restricting the results to 1 month returned nothing. > Searching for 1 year returned 82 results. Something's wrong... > > Remove date based filtering and search in reverse by month using the > date in the archive's URLs: > +site:pdxlinux.org "2012-January": 0 results > +site:pdxlinux.org "2011-December": 0 results > +site:pdxlinux.org "2011-November": 0 results > +site:pdxlinux.org "2011-October": 2 results (1 plug-jobs and 1 on > plug from someone I won't name) > +site:pdxlinux.org "2011-September": 495 results > +site:pdxlinux.org "2011-August": 392 results > ... > > Checked the robots.txt on both pdxlinux.org and lists.pdxlinux.org, nothing. > > Nothing is in Google from October onward and date-based searching in > Google appears to be broken. Anyone have any idea what might be going > on here? > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] background sound
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Russell Senior wrote: >> "dfhubbard" == dfhubbard writes: > dfhubbard> This is not a Linux question and may not even be a computer > dfhubbard> question, but I think I will get better opinions here than > dfhubbard> anywhere else I know. > dfhubbard> What is the least expensive longterm (1-3 years) manner to > dfhubbard> continuously play background music or sound? > Get a harmonica? For a high-tech option, you can buy, or build, something called a "radio"? :D -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] ISP Changes
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Rich Shepard wrote: > After 15 years with Aracnet/SpiritOne I think that I need to change ISPs. > I just received a message that within the next couple of weeks there will be > changes to DSL subscribers in Frontier Communications land. The most > important change is that they can no longer provide static IP addresses. > > What options do I have to maintain the same static IP address I've had all > this time? My mail server and future httpd server are based on that address > and I'd like to retain it. You want to change ISP's, but keep IP's? Unless you have a "portable class C", such a thing is, well, highly unlikely, to say the least. Have you looked up your IP in ARIN, perhaps, and found out who owns that IP address (perhaps Aracnet/SpiritOne is leasing the address from somebody else)? -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] NTSC Video in -- what do I need?
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Richard C. Steffens wrote:
> What hardware and software do I need to take the output of my VCR and
> create a digital file that I can then burn to a DVD that will play in
> the DVD player attached to my TV?
> I'm thinking about reducing the physical size of my video tape library
> and removing the VCR from the collection of boxes under the TV.
> Most of these are commercial tapes, but I'm assuming I can treat them
> the same way I treat my vinyl audio recordings: I own a copy and can
> make a backup copy.
> Any gotchas to be concerned about?
Found this HOWTO:
http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/248203-Converting-VHS-to-DVD-under-Linux-HOWTO
Most of the VCR->DVD standalone recorders do *not* allow you to make a
copy of any works with external copyright holders, and it may be a bit
tricky to do this under linux as well... the movie studios would
rather you buy the DVD version. The copy protection *can be* defeated,
and has been defeated. and it is a crime to do so, even if you
have copyright, with a few rare exceptions ("I bought it on VHS and
want to put it on DVD" is not one of them).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act
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Re: [PLUG] Default password for phpMyAdmin? was Test.
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:42 AM, wes wrote: > I can't think of anything on the surface that looks ungood here. My next > suggestion would be to set a password in mysql and try again from > phpmyadmin. > > -wes Re-looking at this today, suPHP might mean that phpMyAdmin and mysql needs a specific UID's password and account setup... since the whole point of suPHP seems to be eliminating the ability of a generic user (say, a webserver's default UID) from having another's users (say, root?) permissions? > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Richard C. Steffens wrote: > >> Okay. The test made it though. I'll try the real question again, but >> this time I'll obfuscate the part that looks like it might cause a problem. >> >> Using Synaptic I have installed mySQL, suPHP, and phpMyAdmin on my >> laptop (Ubuntu 10.04). Navigating to localhost/phpmyadmin gives me the >> phpMyadmin login page. From my reading I assumed that there would be a >> user named root and that the default password would be blank. However >> when I try to log in I get an error message that says, "Login without a >> password is forbidden by configuration (see AllowNoPassword)". >> Googling, I found: >> >> Edit the file config.inc.php, search and uncomment this line: >> >> >> slash slash space dollarcfg]'Servers'][dollari]['AllowNoPassword'] = TRUE; >> >> I tried that, and restarted Apache. But I still get the error message >> about login without a password is forbidden by configuration. >> >> Is there some step that I missed? >> >> TIA >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Dick Steffens ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu System Administration
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: > As you all know, I'm a Slacker and don't know the fine points of > administering a ubuntu system. > > Xubuntu-11.10 is now installed on the laptop, but I was not able to set > the time zone (no instructions on how to do so and I blew it), and I missed > the host name box so it has the computer model as a host name. nano /etc/hostname > I need to > change those so the time is correct and so it works on the LAN. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime > Also, it's been long enough that I don't remember how to create a root > user and password; in Slackware that's done during installation. Sudo-ing to > root to create root seems not likely to me. root is created by default, with no password login capability. > Please help a non-ubuntu, non-professional SysAdmin correct the time, host > name (/etc/hosts was changed but apparently didn't stick), and add user > root. If you sudo su You can take a look at /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow, the "!" in shadow is the "don't allow this account to login" feature. HTH, -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] RESOLVed: Another "slow" issue -- Thunderbird sending e-mail
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Richard C. Steffens wrote: > This appears to have RESOLVed the problem... Okay, I can't figure out if I should respond to this pun. It has me in a bit of a. bind. -Bop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Sun Enterprise 420R
Is this machine still bonked? Any progress/new information? On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Paul Heinlein wrote: > On Mon, 31 Oct 2011, Russell Johnson wrote: > >> If it's still not trying, Unplug both power supplies and let the >> caps discharge. Then, with the serial connection working on a >> terminal, (19200, 8, n, 1, I believe) try to power up. If that >> doesn't work, and it still doesn't power up, I've had a bad eeprom >> do the same, but it could be a number of things at that point. > > I think Suns default to 9600 8n1. > > I agree that setting up the serial connection should be a priority. > You'll see (and be able to capture) lots of good information. > > -- > Paul Heinlein <> heinl...@madboa.com <> http://www.madboa.com/ > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Sun Enterprise 420R
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Jon Batcheller wrote: > Our Sun 420R server just went down - some sort of power issue, > both supplies show green, but can't get main power led > up by pushing power button. > 1. Ideas? Reseat all cables/cards? I use to have RAM that would block POST every so often. -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Solaris Uptime
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Keith Lofstrom wrote: > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:26:32AM -0700, Daniel Herrington wrote: >> What's the recommended reboot cycle for Sun Solaris servers? > > There is a story, perhaps apocryphal, about a Sun server that had been > running for as long as anyone could remember, but could not be found > within the building. Eventually, it was found behind the drywall, > covered with dust, in a space that had been remodelled years before. The operating system gets changed from telling to telling, here's a version from 2001, as reported in the media: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/04/12/missing_novell_server_discovered_after/ -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Program fails to start
http://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&ix=c2&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=gstreamer+transcribe got me: http://www.seventhstring.com/xscribe/history820.html ...which seems like it might be useful for musical transcription, don't know if its related. On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 4:43 PM, chris (fool) mccraw wrote: > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 16:25, Richard C. Steffens wrote: >> On 10/17/2011 03:04 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: >>> Richard C. Steffens wrote: Alas, I have so far been unable to locate the source of the program on the Internet today. My Googling has turned up all kinds of things that aren't this program called transcribe. [*SNIP*] >>> >>> Would you be looking for >>> http://trans.sourceforge.net/en/install.php >> >> No. I saw that one, and may give it a try if I don't get this one >> working, soon. > > and i suppose it's also not 'transcriber' which is available in the > standard ubuntu 10.4 repos? i suppose this because that one appears > to be entirely written in tcl :/ > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] suPHP -- Any Gotchas?
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Richard C. Steffens wrote: > SpiritOne will be replacing PHP with suPHP for their Economy Web Hosting > accounts. Are there any gotchas I need to worry about? 1. No shared code between users. 2. No optimization of shared code between users (think APC/eAccelerator caches) 3. PHP is running as a CGI, so 200 concurrent requests = 200 apache processes + 200 PHP processes (twice as many processes). 4. suPHP is *very* picky about what uid is linked to what files are requested. 5. suPHP is *very* tightly jailed, so things like debian/ubuntu's phpmyadmin packages will not work with default settings the vhost settings really need to be dialed in. 6. Of course, based on 1-5, sharing data between different PHP processes is magnitudes more difficult, and needs to be done on a different layer (such as a database). These, of course, are all "features", not bugs. :) -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ban me? Ban yourselves.
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Bill Ensley wrote: > We will let Homeland Security decide how literal you are. fbi.gov given a heads-up. -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] I really do need help with Asterisk...blacklists
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Rob Saul wrote: > On 9/28/11 8:13 AM, MJang wrote: >> "The nobel peace prize should not go to an atheist period." >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/2009-November/066037.html > I wasn't going to join in this general fracas until I was reminded > of the above statement. It's too late, the 1962 Nobel Peace Prize > was awarded to Linus Pauling. It's a "Linus" conspiracy. Clearly. Semi-related: anybody know a good way to create and read filtered *web pages*? Say, I want to peruse the archives, for this list, and black-out posts, or I want to surf 4chan, while not being able to accidentally see (and thus download) CP. Is there a DOM filtering browser tool out there? Use case: In a DOM tree, I want to filter on every n*r reference from the web page, href, etc. Where I see: "goodstring" or "badstring". Xpath kind of works, but it's more of a searching system, not a developed content system. I guess the big hurdle is the "not this page" issue, where predictive removal of something from a DOM would require chasing down every link, and churning through the content... -Bop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] Mail Filters
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Brent Jones wrote: Snip_> > I don't post often, but read frequently. > Lately, have been considering the 'reading' part as well, this > nonsense is just comical and unnecessary. > For the sake of humanity, please stop posting these ridiculous threads. > /me goes to figure out how to block all threads with your name on them I have discovered (just now) that gmail not only allows me to block/delete all email with a specific origin mail address, it also does deep message scanning, so I can block all emails that even mention that specific email address (or any arbitrary string, really) anywhere in the body. It's in the "gear thing on the top right"->Mail Settings->Filters -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Ubuntu 10.04 and lots of missing links question
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 3:51 PM, logical american wrote: > Has anyone else noticed this, or is it just my system? I am running a > 64 bit version of Ubuntu 10.04 lucid edition of linux. While using the > recursive grep command on the /usr folder, I noticed a lot of "No such > file or directory" messages. Same here, on my 64 bit natty... ranging from broken alternatives, to broken symlinks for language packs. Gnome has a rather impressive amount of them. HTH, -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Using DNS information to close smtp port...
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Michael C. Robinson
wrote:
> Well, the DNS checking is increasing my rejection rate. Figuring out if
> I'm blocking at the right times is another issue. Is there ever a
> situation where a PTR record that doesn't resolve back to the IP you
> started with is legitimate? For example, one popular PTR record is
> localhost which obviously will not resolve to a remote IP address.
Oh, hey, look, this technique already has a geeky name:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS
That being said:
1) People working with nested hosting companies have lots of pain when
trying to get proper PTR chain set up here's the crux of the
problem, as it usually works out: Mega-hosting company A takes a hunk
of "class C" (yes, traditional classes don't really exist anymore, but
this is an incredibly relevant concept in this context, for a legacy
reason I am about to explain) and re-sells the block. Lets say
192.168.1-5.0-255 is what the parent company starts with, which is
supposed to be in the bind zone files for
0-255.1-5.168.192.in-addr.arpa.
In case the problem isn't immediately apparent, the parent company has
responsibility for delegating the following zones (DNS is right-to
left) to the reseller:
1.168.192.in-addr.arpa.
2.168.192.in-addr.arpa.
3.168.192.in-addr.arpa.
4.168.192.in-addr.arpa.
5.168.192.in-addr.arpa.
The DNS boundary winds up being at the quad, *regardless* of CIDR...
reverse DNS still thinks in terms of dotted quad boundaries.
Sub-company B then buys and resells a block of, oh, 128 IP addresses
to another sub-company "C", from the parent. Lets' say it's
0-128.3.168.192.in-addr.arpa. Of course, since the whole block wasn't
resold, the place to manage this is still one level up, at
3.168.192.in-addr.arpa. (Again, DNS delegates at "." boundaries,
business agreements be damned). Company D buys half of those, and then
they then resell it *again*, to end client E, who just needs six IP's
for their servers.
A->B->C->D->E is how the sales chain works. However, in order to
divide on the dotted quads, for E getting a proper PTR record, they
("E") have to somehow get the message all the way up to company B,
which is the company that actually manages PTR records for the whole
3.168.192.in-addr.arpa. zone. This can take weeks, and lots of
communication. (I've done it more than a few times, and it's lame,
*especially* if you have to juggle lots of server names changing).
It gets even messier when you start with something as divided as
10.0-16.0-16.0-16.0-16, as *each* and *every* boundary must do proper
delegation on the dotted quad, or have huge DNS zone files.
2) You're checking A records. What about ? Is this an IPv4-only solution?
3) Corner cases to ponder (since I'm not sure all of these will pass
at a light glance over the code, these may be already thought of):
...a). A server with 4 NIC's, hosting many virtual/VPS/whatever
domains. The domain emails may claim to be coming from "example.com",
but the IP may be 3.3.168.192.in-addr.arpa, which resolves to
"eth3-bulkhosting.ourserverskickass.com".
...b) inbound.example.com vs. outbound.example.com resolving to the
same, or different, host email IP
...c) Geo-location IP makes a mess of everything that makes
assumptions about a fixed IP.
Getting back to your original question:
"Is there ever a situation where a PTR record that doesn't resolve
back to the IP you started with is legitimate?"
PTR's are not based on IP. They're based on DNS databases. Which are
often made and controlled by humans. That makes them error-prone. It's
worth "weighting" an email as spam, or not, but there's lots of messy
side-issues "localhost" is one part (as you have discovered), but
we're a long way away from one server=one IP.
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Re: [PLUG] The problem with DNS blacklists...
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Michael C. Robinson wrote: > 1) How do I pick one where the expectation is that I will almost always > block the spammers? Age, reputation, match with task goals? I like spamhaus, YMMV. > 2) How do I use them from a Perl script working with actual packets > thrown up to user space? You seem to be re-creating milter+honeypot. Not that doing so is a bad thing, but pulling past code might give you some great ideas. > 3) How can I keep this simple so that a novice Perl user will be able > to do what I'm doing, granted, I need to get better with Perl? CPAN it when done. Maintain it for the rest of your life, and find others to maintain it. > So how does one maintain a DNS blacklist? Dynamically, based on what traffic you don't like. > Do the IPs in the list have > to be aged? Depends on the source. A MX that hops IP's in a block can lead to an easier IP range block. A "clean" block with a rogue MX is an often annoyance where you accidentally "hosted" in a nest of spammers. > Is it enough to have a web page where blocked site admins > can send an email requesting clearance to get through? Hell no. In rough (but maybe inaccurate) order: 2001: Automated requests for approval. 2002: "retype these letters to be approved" 2003: "type the letters in this image to be approved" Server admins are very much exploitable by social engineering. Captcha adds machine engineering, but it's still trivial. > My blacklisting > philosophy right now is simple, I blacklist any IP that spams me. That's whack-a-mole. What I am about to say is *hugely* controversial. Re-read the above, please. With that being said: You should blacklist any ISP that allows spammers. This *WILL* cause collateral damage. > A curious question, shouldn't I be able to look up any IP that is > claiming to be a mail server via the DNS system? Yes and no. A huge amount of systems are not DNS-listed. *Any* server connected to the internet should be allowed to send mail. You can decline mail from non-DNS listed systems.. This *WILL* cause collateral damage. This *WILL* cause collateral damage. (Did I stutter?) > My thought is, I > can ignore infected personal computers if there are no DNS records > listing them as legitimate email servers for legitimate domains or > better yet no IP records at all. This *WILL* cause collateral damage. That being said, if you can handle it, go for it. -Bop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Easily convert ip string...
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 8:50 PM, someone wrote: > to a binary number so I can put the addresses in a binary tree. > > I have extracted from an mbox file full of spam the originating IP address. > > I need to convert these strings which are in decimal form to binary numbers. > > What is the easiest way to do this in perl? http://search.cpan.org/dist/Net-IP/IP.pm#binip ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Solaris Mailing List Resources, Long Term Future, etc.
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:48 PM, MJang wrote: > Folks, > I've been experimenting with Solaris 11 Express lately, and would > appreciate suggestions on mailing lists that anyone here has found > useful. No idea. I stopped working on it about 5 years ago, as that was the last time I saw it in the wild. > If anyone has any thoughts about Solaris long term v. Linux, I'd also be > interested in that. Seems to me that Linux has some work to do to get to > Solaris levels in some areas like trusted extensions, self-healing, > etc. They have great toys but they are an Oracle property now. Which usually means that you can buy the toys, if you are willing to spend insane amounts of money. -Bop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Blu-Ray nonsense...
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Daniel Pittman wrote: > On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 03:00, Michael C. Robinson > wrote: >> On Tue, 2011-08-02 at 01:57 -0700, Vincent L. Damewood wrote: >>> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Michael C. Robinson >>> wrote: >>> >> Any real computing platform is going to make it >>> >> way, way more pain than just pirating the content would be. For your >>> >> protection, of course. ;) >>> > I'm not trying to pirate Blu-Ray discs. I do have a legal right to >>> > circumvent copy protection for making legitimate backup copies if I own >>> > the Blu-Ray disc. That's confusing two (more, actually) issues. 1. You do not have a universal right to copy somebody else's product. 2. By circumventing the encryption, you aren't even copying the original product, you are substantially altering the product, against the wishes of the person who owns copyright to the product. >>> No, you don't, if the Blu-Ray Disc is encrypted. >> I respectfully disagree with you. A judge would have to enforce your >> interpretation which is ridiculous from the standpoint of fair use. It''s gone before judges in a few ways, with people being arrested, and jailed, and released, (in the US) for simply providing decryption capabilities and information. Fair use (in the legal sense) is *not* part of the US law preventing the circumvention of encryption. To repeat: If it's encrypted, fair use exceptions do not apply. Take that in for a second. > I can't really comment too much about local law, and I am not a > lawyer, but I can assure you that in Australia that interpretation is > backed by at least some court precedent. It varies all over the place. The law is a mess. Nothing new there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-circumvention > Sad to say, these technical > measures *are* effective ways of preventing people doing legitimate > things with legitimate data they paid for. See, this is where your argument has problems. You did not pay for the right to decrypt *and* copy the data for personal use. That's not a legitimate use, nor is it protected. That's what copy-right is, where all of this mess comes from... you do *not* have a right to make unencrypted copies. You can call it a "backup", if you leave it encrypted, bit for bit, and get some legal cover, but once you alter it, things get sketchy really fast. -Bop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Confused about multi core
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Robert Munro wrote: > On Fri 29 Jul 2011 08:59:57 -0700 (PDT) "Michael C. Robinson" wrote: >>> Robert Munro wrote: The easiest way to see if it's single-threaded, >>> and whether the CPU is a bottleneck, is to install a visual >>> monitor. There a several, however I like gkrellm. It's easy to >>> configure and will show this at a glance. >> That's easier than running top and enabling per core view by pressing >> the 1 key? > That works, too, yes. To each their own, and whatever floats your boat. FWIW, I've seen a few distros where top (and other tools) show processes, not necessarily their threads. The two are not the same thing. There are specific flags/arguments you have to throw in. Making it even messier, threads are *usually* pinned per process, per core, so a process view might be all you need, but if threads are talking across processes, and across cores,... yeah. YMMV, -Bop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] Monitoring with nagios, and current front ends.
http://www.ubuntugeek.com/nagios-configuration-tools-web-frontends-or-gui.html seems to have *bunches* of possibilities for config tools (and people who have tried to manage nagios via CLI know why), so I'm wondering if anybody's recently taken a look at this issue and can offer up some informed opinions? I could download and install them all, but that seems like it would be a huge time-suck. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] New System Setup
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:24 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: > With any fresh install of Ubuntu you will have very few packages > available. That is because they ship Ubuntu with most of the > repositories disabled. > > Go into System > Administration > Software Sources and enable the > additional repositories. You should end up with 25-30,000 packages. You > can also enable the repositories from within Synaptic Package Manager. Wow, I do this automatically, and totally forgot about this step. Anybody got a link handy for the "non-free" step? Or does the above cover it now? -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] New System Setup
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Kirk Goins wrote: > I asked sometime ago about what distribution I should use for a small FTP > and sometimes small Web Server. I had a Mandrake 8.x system but the file > system wasn't letting me deal with multiple GB files like DVD iso images. So > I moved off what I needed to keep and wiped it. I started playing with > Ubuntu Desktop 10.04 and am sorta happy an sorta not. Here's what I I > need/cpuld do before. ( Don't laugh, I mainly work on NON PC / NON Unix > based IBM gear. I also mainly use Windows for my work and personal systems ) Many of us have been there. We will keep the children in check. > I dont' want to trust a Windows box to do this stuff open to the world. I don't serve off of Windows without a firewall. :) Too many late nights. > #1 On my previous system, I had worked my way through a basic firewall setup > that allowed FTP and HTTP through my External IP Good practice is to *only* allow the services to each machine that are required. Some folks like to stop it at a firewall, but I'm a belt-and-suspenders guy, so I run firewalls everywhere I can, including the end-box. > #2 I could thru linuxconf quickly enable/disable/vhange the external > interface when I wasn't activily using it. Not sure what the Ubuntu equivalent is, but I'm sure there's a GUI (ugh) and CLI for it. > #3 FTP was ProFTPd I won't weigh in too much here, FTP has lots of strong opinions. My opinion is that FTP should not be used ever. Just rsync, or put it over SSH. (FTP sends passwords over the wire). > #4 Liked Midnight Commander for some file / object work DUDE! Classic! Fun UI. Didn't know it was still out there. > #5 Used Webmin for a few basic tasks. Webmin bit me one too many times. It's probably better now, but it's kind of like the prom date who gave you that "special" gift which required a doctor visit... maybe still hot, but I'm never getting that close to her again. > So is Ubuntu Desktop where I want to be for this simple stuff Yes, and no. Most of the current support tutorials are desktop focused. However, they're based on a lay-user target. > or do I want a > server class version of Ubuntu? If you have a keyboard, mouse, and video hooked to the machine, and are used to such an interface, it might be easier to manage desktop. If you're used to heads down Linux: text only, no prompts/helps/GUI, then server class is great (and uses less disk and RAM). In all honesty, in the last 13 years, I've found that if it's my own box, text is fine (I'm used to it), but if I have to admin with any other folks, I need "desktop", or rather, others do. > The splash screens for the Ubuntu SW site > says 1000's of programs, but the largeswt list I get there is 267, big > difference. That's a packaging thing. If you want to install "Office" (of whatever flavor), there's more than one program installed. > I have pulled ProFTPd and Webmin and got them installed. I am > having trouble with getting the firewall working and a way to simply disable > the external IP when I don't need it. I can bring this beast by the clinic > on Sunday, if that is the best place to get it working as desired. The clinics rock, I can't endorse them enough but I do need to show up more. -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Web site
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Dan Young wrote: > On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Randal L. Schwartz > wrote: >> On FreeBSD, it's "/usr/local/etc/rc.d/apache22 reload", which does a >> soft reload rather than a hard server down-up cycle. Might be something >> similar in Linux. > > The Fedora/Redhat Apache httpd initscript's "reload" actually HUPs it, > which kills the child processes immediately. Dunno about FreeBSD's. > > I've gotten into the habit of using "graceful", which just does: > apachectl -k graceful apache2ctl graceful ...On Debian flavors, which is nice if you're running a production box and you don't want to kill apache mid-request it also runs configtest prior to restarting, which is nice in case you''re experimenting with config options. -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] on-topic ... but time wasting
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 3:33 PM, glen e. p. ropella wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > the Bizarre Cathedral >http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/files/www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/nodes/3541/strip.jpg > http://xkcd.com/149/ ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Regression Testing and library versions
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 11:39 PM, Keith Lofstrom wrote: > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 03:47:43PM -0700, Tim wrote: >> I haven't read the entire (verbose) thread on this topic, but one >> thing I'd like to point out if someone else hasn't: >> >> Using multiple versions of the same library across multiple >> applications costs you more than disk space. It also costs you >> additional memory (RAM) and therefore program exec start time, due to >> greater I/O. > > That is certainly an issue. On the other hand: > > free: > total used free shared buffers cached > Mem: 3114664 794856 2319808 0 57404 404636 > -/+ buffers/cache: 332816 2781848 > Swap: 4032304 0 4032304 > > I've got the RAM (*). What I don't have time for is dependency > hell. Which at best costs me hours at inopportune times, and > at worst means deleting applications that I've invested data in. > All my apps should not be so tightly bound together. That makes > my system too fragile. Two points: 1. While we could all keep up with Moore's law, should we? Wouldn't it be better if things got cheaper, without changing the minimum hardware? 2. The *huge* Windows security hole was created by extensive backwards compatibility. Make a system compatible with 6 (or 16) year old libraries, get 6 (or 16) year old viruses on those libraries. Things generally change for a reason. -Bop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] libgd, php website hack, etc.
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Joe Shisei Niski wrote: > On 03/26/2011 07:39 PM, Keith Lofstrom wrote: >> PHP, the public >> bathhouse orgy of programming languages > that's the funniest (and most apt) description of PHP i've ever seen. > Thanks for the laugh! It made me laugh too, but since PHP is mostly written in C... what does that make C? The water of both bath houses and hospitals? As far as GD being part of PHP now, if you want to help maintain it, it's certainly possible to send in patches, but I tend towards ImageMagick (and I have/had trunk commit rights to PHP). WRT to "wiki.php.net" being down, as I understand it, it's much more mundane (tech-wise) than it's being played up as. A brute force attack (many months ago) got access to an account on the the PHP SVN trunk. That exploited account was never used for more than minor testing in the code, *however*, after the account password was changed, the correlating account uname/pass wasn't changed across *all* PHP properties... which meant that it was later used to pull all wiki uname/pass combinations from the wiki, and gain access to the machine running the wiki. Which means that they're (the accounts) all exploitable via rainbow tables attacks, if users used the same uname/pass across accounts. In short: If somebody got your email password, and you were an admin on *other* boxes, and you used the same password for all of the accounts and services, things could get messy. Fast. In a related note, I went to rubyonales in Bend last week, where one of the speakers pointed at a total meltdown they were dealing with, for very similar reasons they had a fail over system for hosted sites, where any VM hosting sites that failed (for whatever reason) failed back to a core, central, machine... Where apache ran as root. So, the user web code ran as root. So their fail over system gave their hosted users root On a box which shared root credentials with all of their other boxes Yeah. You see where this is headed. A single failed site meant root access to all sites, all machines. After asking about the details on this "one too many times" to a tech (nice guy, BTW, outside of this, best as I can tell) he got in my face. Poor guy. Looks like a good company, but forcing a password reset on hundreds, or thousands, of users must *really* suck. -Bop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Internet addictions and technology
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Tim wrote: >> Nothing you do will be 100%, unless you unplug from the net. So. you >> need to decide how much risk you are willing to take. > > Yes, and in fact there are some academic papers out there that > establish this pretty convincingly. This problem is well studied in > the context of trying to prevent prisoners from passing messages to > one another without being detected. Late to the thread, but I once actually worked on a project which involved giving prisoners access to the internet (via a work program, where the nodes were connected with internet-capable computers) our solution was based on serious machine, and router-level, whitelisting, and locking down the hardware. If there's *any* link at all, blacklisting solutions just don't cut it, as any horny 12 year old, mid-age oppressed political dissident, or old hacker can tell you. -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] UPS is beeping sporadically
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Paul Heinlein wrote: > On Wed, 26 Jan 2011, Rich Shepard wrote: > >> On Wed, 26 Jan 2011, John Jason Jordan wrote: >> >>> So I guess I do need a repair place. Any suggestions? >> >> Northwest Battery Supply >> 3750 SE Belmont >> Portland, OR 97214 >> (503) 232-9002 > > Any of the several Batteries Plus outlets in town will probably have > what you need. You can search for nearby locations at > http://www.batteriesplus.com. My UPS's have done the same for years. Tends to cost about 30 bucks for the smaller ones (single battery), more for the heavier-duty ones (which may have multiple batteries) online, the batteries for that particular model trend about 90-130 bucks. -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Database Backends for Perl Applications
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Rich Shepard wrote: > On CPAN I see that I can download DBD-Pg or a bundle that has modules for > a variety of database backends. If the only dbms used by a perl application > here is postgres, can I safely delete the ../Bundle/DBD/ subdirectory? Rich, did you ever chase this one down? My first guess is that the DBD bundles are used by all the DBD backends, and that there are also specific add-ons per backend, but I'm curious to know if I was right -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Linux and Active Directory?
IME, small-ish environments (1-100 users) pretty much tie into AD not because they have to, but because they're using Exchange, SQL Server, or some other Windows server product already, and (as others have noted), sometimes the path of least resistance (and effort) is to install AD onto a few servers, and go from there. Larger environments (100-10,000) users are more likely to have a mix of AD/LDAP (i.e. a non-AD LDAP)/NIS/etc., but the thing worth noting is not that AD has *replaced* all other Directory Services, but that in a large number of work environments, AD is likely to be *part* of the mix, even if it's only used for one department, or one service. So, perhaps the assumption that "AD has pretty much taken over Dir Services" might be better phrased as "environments that use/require Dir Services will likely require some AD experience". On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Mike Connors wrote: > I seem to see in many Linux Sys Admin job postings a requirement for AD > experience. Is this is a case where > you have Linux/Unix servers but run MS Win on the desktop and the MS Win > clients don't play well w. OpenLDAP and/or NIS? > > Am I incorrect in my perception that AD has pretty much taken over Dir > Services except for shops that are all Solaris, Novell, or old-school > Unix purists who still use NIS? > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Step away from the PHP
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Wed, 27 Jan 2010, Ronald Chmara wrote: >> Any sufficiently dumbed down, easy to implement, solution creates an >> inversely equal level of problems in actual use. > Oh. Like all the "visual" languages such as Visual Basic? I'd say it potentially applies across the board, from the most venerable C libraries where faults are still being found *many* years later, to the very latest ruby gems (CPAN modules, PEAR modules, etc. etc.) written or updated in the last 24 hours. Dijkstra had a really great essay/rant/philosophy about it, the underlying problem being that issues are created (or magnified) when people don't know what they're actually doing, because they're blindly running code they don't understand. >> Unfortunately, the way PHP matured (if that's the right word to use) > Aged? ? Aged. I like that. :) -Ronabop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Step away from the PHP
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jan 2010, Tim wrote: >> A warning for those PHP developers and app maintainers who aren't on >> the security mailing lists: > Does PHP stand for Pretty Heavy Problems? Programming Has Problems Any sufficiently dumbed down, easy to implement, solution creates an inversely equal level of problems in actual use. In this case, the PHP "session" development was initially implemented (IIRC) as a way for coding newbies to slap together very simple way of maintaining state on an inherently stateless medium (http), with expected levels of poor performance, scalability, and security. Unfortunately, the way PHP matured (if that's the right word to use) was that a great many folks saw the simple shortcuts and used them, rather than writing better solutions. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Restart CUPS on Fedora 11
Doesn't fedora use chkconfig for daemon boot control, unlike debian families? On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:05 AM, John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:22:58 -0800 > wes dijo: > >>> > > running. I thought you started and stopped CUPS with >>> > > >>> > > /etc/init.d/cups/ ./cups stop/start > >>> > Huh? > >>> I meant, first cd to /etc/init.d/cups/ and then do either ./cups stop or >>> ./cups start. > >>> > /etc/init.d/cups start >>> > >>> > or (a bit of a Red Hat-ism): >>> > >>> > service cups start > >>> Well, the ./cups start command did not work. But the service command did >>> the job. I just printed a test page and all appears well. >>> >>> However, there remains the question why CUPS stopped in the first place. I >>> had rebooted the computer, so if it starts on boot, then it should have been >>> running. Or if it starts only when the user sends a print job, it still >>> should have been started when I sent numerous test pages to the printer. > >>find your cups.log and see if it says anything interesting. > > Lots of errors, frequently repeated as I tried to send test pages. For > example: > > copy_model: empty PPD file! > Unable to execute /usr/lib/cups/backend/hp: No such file or directory > Stopping job because the sheduler could not execute the backend. > Unable to execute /usr/lib/cups/backend/hp: No such file or directory > (/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) crashed on signal 13! > (/usr/lib/cups/filter/pstops) crashed on signal 13! > [cups-driverd] Bad driver information file > "/usr/share/cups/model/foomatic-db-ppds/Kyocera/ReadMe.htm"! > > The last one is really interesting, because I don't own a Kyocera printer. And > I don't understand the empty PPD file message because the PPD files all look > fine in Gedit. The rest I don't understand at all. > >>and/or, look up how to enable a service to start on boot for your current >>distro. maybe it just isn't set up to on yours. > > Google informed me that CUPS starts on boot, and then nods off until a user > wakes it up. > > The last time I did this was when I did my first new install of Debian Testing > a month ago. I asked on the CUPS e-list and received these instructions: > > - >> Can I migrate the printers installed in Jaunty to a new, fresh install >> of Debian testing (Squeeze)? > > You could try the following steps: > > (1) make shure your new installation has at least all the filters and > backends of your old CUPS installation. If not, install the missing ones > (maybe it is sufficient to copy the binaries over, but there is no > guarantee). > (2) stop the running CUPS > (3) copy your old /etc/cups/printers.conf to the new installation > (4) copy the complete contents of your old /etc/cups/ppd directory to the > new installation > (5) start your new CUPS > (6) see what happens. > > It might be that you need to do some tweaking afterwards, but the bulk of > your old work should have been retained. > --- > > With Squeeze I followed the above instructions and all my printers just > worked. > So now with Fedora 11 I did the same thing, but something has gone slightly > awry. > > On the list of today's festivities is making sure the rest of the printers are > working. > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Linus Torvalds & Richard Stallman for Nobel Peace Prize
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 3:18 PM, wrote: > Holy crap people! The whole Nobel Prize is a joke considering it is named > after the man who invented high explosive. As I recall the story: He was (wrongly) declared dead. Obituaries were run. This did not make him happy, as he was still very much breathing. He noted that his chemistry history, and the resulting obituary announcements, focused on his contributions to war, not peace. That being said, I'd spread the award among Linus, RMS, and Jimbo Wales, for creating/enabling their globally used tools, and sites, that transcend culture, people, politics, and nations. ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Linus Torvalds for Nobel Peace Prize
When it turns out that their low-budget development of the country of Luxembourg isn't really technically "Scandinavian", they will simply redefine the term "Scandinavian". In a drastic effort to try and get back on topic, anyone played with Linux Mint? Is it basically just a shortcut to get more proprietary drivers, with an Ubuntu base? On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Rob Saul wrote: > Tim Wescott wrote: >> But then Bill Gates will try to buy Sweden. > > Nah, Microsoft will just announce they have > a Scandinavian country 'under development', there > by causing people to cease considering current > Scandinavian countries as viable. > > >> >> >> On Wed, November 18, 2009 9:08 am, Keith Lofstrom wrote: >>> Since the Nobel Peace Prize is often given to politicians, some >>> disagree with the choices. But it is often given to non-politicians >>> who create international efforts to change the world for the better. >>> >>> Look at the massive international efforts represented by SC09, and >>> realize that much of it started from the work of a 21yo Finnish >>> college student named after 1962 Nobel Peace Prize winner Linus >>> Pauling. It would be fitting to honor that international effort >>> by giving a Peace Prize to Linus Torvalds, perhaps in 2011 on the >>> 20th anniversary of the August 1991 Linux announcement, or in 2012 >>> on the 50th anniversary of Pauling's award. >>> >>> Linux is one of the largest cooperative international efforts ever >>> undertaken. It inspired Ubuntu, One Laptop Per Child, and many >>> other global projects. Linux conquered the supercomputer space, >>> the server space, the embedded computer space - by peaceful means! >>> Linux helped sequence the human genome, helps protect the world >>> computer infrastructure from viral attack, and is now the pathway >>> for millions to learn computer programming and participate in new >>> international efforts. >>> >>> The 2007 Nobel Peace Prize recipient (a politician some disagree >>> with, please disagree in a different thread, thanks) is giving >>> the keynote to SC09 as I write this. Meaning that we are all >>> three handshakes away from the people that decide on future Peace >>> Prizes. Perhaps it is time to launch some messages through our >>> connections and see what makes it to the committee meetings in Oslo. >>> >>> According to the list on Wikipedia, the five people to convince are >>> Thorbjørn Jagland (chair), Kaci Kullmann Five (deputy chair), Sissel >>> Rønbeck, Inger-Marie Ytterhorn, and Ågot Valle. We can start by >>> sending them Norsk language Ubuntu disks. >>> >>> While I imagine Linus Torvalds would be embarrassed by the attention, >>> it would sure make his parents happy. And it would mean one less >>> Peace Prize for a politician. >>> >>> Keith >>> >>> -- >>> Keith Lofstrom kei...@keithl.com Voice (503)-520-1993 >>> KLIC --- Keith Lofstrom Integrated Circuits --- "Your Ideas in Silicon" >>> Design Contracting in Bipolar and CMOS - Analog, Digital, and Scan ICs >>> ___ >>> PLUG mailing list >>> PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org >>> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >>> >> >> > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Regular time
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Eric Wilhelm wrote: > Forget for a second that it is ridiculous for an internet-connected > computer to ask a human for the time of day... How about "Forget for a second that it is ridiculous for an internet-connected computer to ask a human for bizarre time adjustments that do not actually have any affect on time, or space."... I was born and raised in AZ, and I still don't get it. Do ya'll use less whale lamp oil in your cars driving to work, or what? ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Is mac linux/unix-y enough to ask about here?
Mac's are *nix-y boxen, however, support and help for Macs might be better on dedicated Mac lists. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Russell Johnson wrote: > However, I consider it *U*nixy enough. > > $ uname -a > Darwin rainier.dimstar.net 9.7.0 Darwin Kernel Version 9.7.0: Tue Mar > 31 22:52:17 PDT 2009; root:xnu-1228.12.14~1/RELEASE_I386 i386 > > > > On Jul 12, 2009, at 3:50 PM, doctor juno wrote: > > > No, mac is not linux-y enough :) > > > Russell Johnson > ru...@dimstar.net > > > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Parallel port under Xen
Reversing the problem, let's say I'm a vendor who (boo!) licenses software on a per-cpu basis. How would I prevent a Xen user from taking a one CPU license, and replicating it to 8 different DomU, single CPU, instances, all running off of the same dongle, on an 8 core machine? I'd probably bind the dongle to a specific CPU core in some ways, but it would have to be something that Dom0 (as well as the other DomU instances) was "blind" to, so the dongle wouldn't know that another CPU was talking to it, or even knew existed. Oh, and that Xen instance would only be able to run on a specific core. Any other ideas? On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Joe Pruett wrote: > > those dongle usually need pretty low level access to the parallel > > controller to do their magic. i don't know if xen can give that level of > > controller to a guest or not. i've seen some discussion about giving > some > > pci access to guests, so maybe something like this is doable. newer usb > > dongles are probably easier for this setup, but i doubt your app (or > > win2k) would be able to use that. > > a quick google seems to indicate that if you can get a pci based parallel > port that win2k will talk to, you should be able to allow a xen guest to > have control over that pci slot. > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Trimming PostScript Bounding Box
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Sat, 18 Apr 2009, Russell Senior wrote: > > > I seem to remember that gv (ghostview) shows you the x,y coordinates of > > the mouse pointer. We used that feature as a cheap-ass digitizing > > mechanism to capture geometry from old tranmission tower drawings a while > > ago. > >Thanks, Russell. I'll check that out. Of course, I still need to figure > out how to modify the file itself. Say you have a single, diagonal, line as the graphic, that starts at one corner and runs to the opposite corner. If you crop to the exact start and end points, you'll have cropped the document's raw information down to the proper minimum co-ordinates... *but* if that line had a 30 pt stroke applied to it, the line corners (as it's now more of a rectangle) would "render" outside of the now-cropped areas. So, rendering has to take place before cropping, or the cropped data has to be rendered on an a larger area than the minimum co-ordinates found in the data? -Bop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] UPS Advice needed
On Mar 16, 2009, at 9:59 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:35:21 -0700 > m0gely dijo: >> 1500VA for one desktop and a laptop? Is there a reason you need >> such a >> long runtime? > Yes, in case the power goes out I can shut down the desktop and still > be able to work on the laptop for a very long time. Just as a reminder (I've used similar setups) of mistakes I've made: Don't forget the peripherals that you "need" to effectively work on your laptop, if your main power is out. For example, switches, routers, dock station, powered USB hubs, etc... Oh, and don't even try to use a laser printer off of a UPS. Crazy juice suckage. -Bop ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
