subject:"\[PLUG\] Linux distributions"

Re: [PLUG] Linux distributions

2015-08-29 Thread Mike C.

It is usually, except in SuSE flavors (and we also used SLES at oldjob),
pretty easy to match up
rpms to a redhat version and more difficult in a debian or ubuntu environment.
Both package management environments aren't the best (apt-/dpkg vs
yum/rpm), though I think redhat gets the tip because apt-cache and dpkg
--get-selections are just weird to anyone not used to
them.

When Debian is installed it's configured to point to the specific
repository for that release, such as Wheezy, which I'm currently running.
So every package I can see in the repository is a Wheezy package.

It also seems that maybe you don't understand the Debian pkg mgmt system
very well. There isn't a dpkg --get command, there's however dpkg -i
which is similar to the rpm -i command to install a specific package and
manually deal with any dependencies.

apt is akin to yum in that it will attempt to install the package and
any dependencies. Apt-get is the command you were thinking of. Aptitude
provides more pkg. mgmt intelligence than apt and is the officially
sanctioned package manager, which you didn't mention.

apt-cache is for searching through the apt software package cache and
getting package info. I rarely use it.

For me, the pkg mgmt system played a huge factor in my distro choice. The
APT package mgmt system and all its tools make so much sense to me. are so
easy to use and useful.

Crunchbang (Debian Wheezy w. Openbox) runs in less than a 150 MB and that
makes me squeal w. joy!

I guess that's what makes Linux so great, there's a flavor for everyone.
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Re: [PLUG] Linux distributions

2015-08-29 Thread Rich Burroughs

I had a need for a small VM at my last job, for SSH forwarding. I bounced
around between a few different distros, but I really liked both Mint and
Crunchbang. I think it's likely I'd go with one of them if I were to build
a Linux desktop/laptop.

And this is coming from someone with a lot more RedHat/CentOS experience
than with the Debian derivatives.



Rich

On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 12:50 AM Mike C. mconno...@gmail.com wrote:

 It is usually, except in SuSE flavors (and we also used SLES at oldjob),
 pretty easy to match up
 rpms to a redhat version and more difficult in a debian or ubuntu
 environment.
 Both package management environments aren't the best (apt-/dpkg vs
 yum/rpm), though I think redhat gets the tip because apt-cache and dpkg
 --get-selections are just weird to anyone not used to
 them.

 When Debian is installed it's configured to point to the specific
 repository for that release, such as Wheezy, which I'm currently running.
 So every package I can see in the repository is a Wheezy package.

 It also seems that maybe you don't understand the Debian pkg mgmt system
 very well. There isn't a dpkg --get command, there's however dpkg -i
 which is similar to the rpm -i command to install a specific package and
 manually deal with any dependencies.

 apt is akin to yum in that it will attempt to install the package and
 any dependencies. Apt-get is the command you were thinking of. Aptitude
 provides more pkg. mgmt intelligence than apt and is the officially
 sanctioned package manager, which you didn't mention.

 apt-cache is for searching through the apt software package cache and
 getting package info. I rarely use it.

 For me, the pkg mgmt system played a huge factor in my distro choice. The
 APT package mgmt system and all its tools make so much sense to me. are so
 easy to use and useful.

 Crunchbang (Debian Wheezy w. Openbox) runs in less than a 150 MB and that
 makes me squeal w. joy!

 I guess that's what makes Linux so great, there's a flavor for everyone.
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Re: [PLUG] Linux distributions

2015-08-29 Thread Pete Lancashire

What is the intended purpose of you soon to be new Linux box ?

-pete

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 7:38 AM, Jim Webb jimwebb...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm going to start using Linux again. I'm interested in a run of the mill
 distribution that works well and isn't cutting edge. What do you suggest?
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Re: [PLUG] Linux distributions

2015-08-28 Thread Ken Eshelby

I have been using Mint with XFCE as a desktop for many years and across two
jobs. I tend to work with about a dozen desktops (workspaces) and the
behavior of XFCE suits me, or I've just become accustomed to it.  Any
instability has historically been due to a specific hardware
component/driver.

I also support customers that typically are running RHEL with a few Debian
installs too, and have a number of VMs running varieties of versions of
Debian and Centos with different versions of our software.  (opennms.org/com,
we do open source enterprise network managment software)  Not a big fan of
systemd for the dubious individual heading it and their approach/vision,
but change is.  We tend to favor redhat-based distros mostly because it
reflects our customer base.  They use it under heavy loads in large
environments and it has been very stable.

Maybe the largest differentiating factor I have noticed is that binary
packages *I use* tend to come in rpms more than deb.  It is usually, except
in SuSE flavors (and we also used SLES at oldjob), pretty easy to match up
rpms to a redhat version and more difficult in a debian or ubuntu
environment.  Both package management environments aren't the best
(apt-/dpkg vs yum/rpm), though I think redhat gets the tip because
apt-cache and dpkg --get-selections are just weird to anyone not used to
them.

A lot of this is very conditional and depends on what you're doing with
linux.  I had a coworker at oldjob that would buid the most minimal BSD and
tiny kernel he could.  I also had another that did similarly with Arch.
Part of their enjoyment of *nix was they could do that and accepted the
difficulties (or lack of) that came with those approaches.  I'm not a fan
of extra cruft, and vanilla installs come with plenty, but not to the point
that I wanted to create a custom install approach.

Just put together a small, low-power desktop based on the ASRock N3700-ITX
(6W TDP) with Mint 17.2 and am in a holding pattern for Intel to release a
Skylake video driver for Linux. Might be a good time to try other
distros/desktops and see how they do with the hardware until drivers are
available.

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Re: [PLUG] Linux distributions

2015-08-25 Thread Mike C.

I've been running and administering different versions (stable and testing)
of vanilla Debian and Debian derived distros for about a decade. There are
more than 300 Debian derived distros with about half of that number still
active today.

One that I've been running very happily for the past few years is
Crunchbang It runs the Openbox Window Manager. It's a super light, no
fluff, fast distro! I don't know too many people that run a full fledged
Linux distro on a $300 netbook circa 2011. But I do.

Debian is nothing if not cutting edge and super stable/reliable. They test
for years before an distro upgrade is released. Apt is a great package
manager with user friendly tools such as Synaptic and Aptitude for software
installation and management without any fluff. Debian also has a huge
software repository and you can pull from free, contrib of non-free
repositories. If that's something that matters to you.

The current version, Debian 8, Jessie , was released in April 2015.
Systemd is the default init system. Debian also supports a wide array of
system architecture.

lastly, Debian also has a social contract, a great community, lots of
support, docs, tutorials, and the versions are named after Toy Story
characters.

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