Re: [PLUG] OT VLAN Setup between 2 Cisco switches

[Chuck Hast]

Well, I can get the two switches talking and get over that initial
hump, I can work here at home and resolve the issue testing
things here without the worry of having those two switches in
a half state. Thank you for the help and guidance. I will try all
of the above.

I still need to figure out how to get to a CLI in that unit. I see
references to it but still have had no luck, all I see is a SSH
client in the switch, my concept is the client in this case is the
connecting device connects to the server end and gets the
prompt from it. I have tried to set it up but when I do so and
try to ssh into the device I get a reject. So there are two items
left to whack out, big one is working at least on my home net
work.

Big thank you, and to all of you out west hope the rains arrive
soon, though that may be another curse if it comes down too
hard.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 7:10 PM Mike C.  wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:26 PM Chuck Hast  wrote:
>
> > I got it going, I had to disable STP on the B switch side. I have a
> > SG300 (switch A) here at home, and I also have a SG200 (switch
> > B). I have the 300 setup with port 28 (it is a 28 port switch) as the
> trunk
> > for
> > VLAN 20. Did same thing for port 52 on the SG200 (SW B) and the
> > usual no joy, it appeared that I had met all of the requirements that
> > you had listed but the stinking Spanning Tree on Switch B was
> > discarding, I went in and disabled it and  now it all talks. That will
> get
> > me going until I figure out how to re-enable STP on that port and make
> > it forward.
> >
>
> You can try either setting the trunk ports on both sides to enable edge
> port to use fast-link so the ports automatically forward when physical link
> is established.
>
>
> https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/smb/switches/cisco-small-business-200-series-smart-switches/smb81-setup-spanning-tree-protocol-stp-on-a-interface-on-the-200-3.html
>
> Also, check and try different global spanning tree configurations.
>
> https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/smb/switches/cisco-small-business-200-series-smart-switches/smb3209-configure-spanning-tree-protocol-stp-status-and-global-setti.html
>
> I wish I could give you better advice regarding Spanning Tree but I despise
> it and I think it's the bane of networking. I never trusted it and it often
> found it caused more problems.
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Re: [PLUG] Hard drive boot assignment

[Johnathan Mantey]

My first reaction would be to use udev rules.
I've done this to assign USB UART devices specific /dev/xxx names.
This would allow you to create a link from /dev/ttyUSB0 ->
/dev/myCoolUSBItem

I suggest searching for udevadm and udev rules to translate /dev/sdb(x) to
/dev/myBackupDrive.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 5:13 PM John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:14:27 -0700
> Keith Lofstrom  dijo:
>
> >I fear that my naive trust-to-luck works-like-the-past
> >assumptions are too naive.
> >
> >I hope that someone on the list can suggest an approach that
> >Just Works With Slightly More Preparation and Knowledge.
>
> Several years ago I discovered the option of giving a partition a label
> (with GParted) and then specifying it as such in /etc/fstab, rather
> than using UUIDs. For example, this line in fstab mounts an external USB
> device:
>
> LABEL=Movies /media/jjj/Movies auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
>
> Where I used GParted to give the device the label 'Movies.' An added
> benefit is that my English-aware human brain can easily identify the
> device, which is not true if I had identified the device by UUID.
>
> The disadvantage of using labels is that you will have a mess if you
> try to mount two devices with the same label on the same filesystem.
> Always be sure that your labels are unique.
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Re: [PLUG] Mouse icon issue

[John Jason Jordan]

On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:08:49 -0700
John Jason Jordan  dijo:

>Does anyone know what process
>makes the 'busy' icon appear?

I discovered a web page listing CSS values for the various states of the
cursor:

https://infoheap.com/css-cursor-property/

And apparently the value for what I call the 'busy' rotating circle is
Wait, while the normal value is supposed to be set to Auto.
Unfortunately the page did not elucidate where these settings reside on
a Linux computer. Wherever they are, my guess is that something
overrode my Auto setting with Wait, so all I should have to do is
change it back to Auto.

I've poked around in all the settings I can find on my Xubuntu
computer, but so far I haven't found the secret hiding place for them.
Any ideas?
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Re: [PLUG] Hard drive boot assignment

[John Jason Jordan]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:14:27 -0700
Keith Lofstrom  dijo:

>I fear that my naive trust-to-luck works-like-the-past
>assumptions are too naive.
>
>I hope that someone on the list can suggest an approach that
>Just Works With Slightly More Preparation and Knowledge.

Several years ago I discovered the option of giving a partition a label
(with GParted) and then specifying it as such in /etc/fstab, rather
than using UUIDs. For example, this line in fstab mounts an external USB
device:

LABEL=Movies /media/jjj/Movies auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0

Where I used GParted to give the device the label 'Movies.' An added
benefit is that my English-aware human brain can easily identify the
device, which is not true if I had identified the device by UUID.

The disadvantage of using labels is that you will have a mess if you
try to mount two devices with the same label on the same filesystem.
Always be sure that your labels are unique.
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Re: [PLUG] OT VLAN Setup between 2 Cisco switches

[Mike C.]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:26 PM Chuck Hast  wrote:

> I got it going, I had to disable STP on the B switch side. I have a
> SG300 (switch A) here at home, and I also have a SG200 (switch
> B). I have the 300 setup with port 28 (it is a 28 port switch) as the trunk
> for
> VLAN 20. Did same thing for port 52 on the SG200 (SW B) and the
> usual no joy, it appeared that I had met all of the requirements that
> you had listed but the stinking Spanning Tree on Switch B was
> discarding, I went in and disabled it and  now it all talks. That will get
> me going until I figure out how to re-enable STP on that port and make
> it forward.
>

You can try either setting the trunk ports on both sides to enable edge
port to use fast-link so the ports automatically forward when physical link
is established.

https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/smb/switches/cisco-small-business-200-series-smart-switches/smb81-setup-spanning-tree-protocol-stp-on-a-interface-on-the-200-3.html

Also, check and try different global spanning tree configurations.
https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/smb/switches/cisco-small-business-200-series-smart-switches/smb3209-configure-spanning-tree-protocol-stp-status-and-global-setti.html

I wish I could give you better advice regarding Spanning Tree but I despise
it and I think it's the bane of networking. I never trusted it and it often
found it caused more problems.
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[PLUG] Hard drive boot assignment

[Keith Lofstrom]

Question about tools and concepts for hard drive to
device name assignment. 

I'd like to force second SATA drives to be assigned to
/dev/sdbX, and USB drives to be assigned to /dev/sdcX,
/dev/sddX (etc) without worrying about the accidental
boot order or the 128 bit UUIDs of particular drives.

For my systems, the second SATA drive typically contains
a backup partition /dev/sdb2 .  As those drives fill up
(typically 300 days of backup images), I move them to
fireproof storage and prepare a new hard drive for backup.
I haven't worried about backup drive UUID, so far ...

Until lately, when I am performing long-term tests on a
third USB3 drive, and power failures are more frequent
as PGE repairs lines and shuts down for fire risks.

Normally, if I connect the USB3 drive long after boot,
it appears as /dev/sdc.  Peachy Keen.

However, if the system automatically reboots after a power
failure, the USB3 drive becomes /dev/sdb and the SATA
backup drive becomes /dev/sdc.  Backups stop going to
the correct (SATA) drive. 

I'd prefer to assign the second SATA drive SECOND and USB3
drives LAST. 

I'd like an easy setup that Just Works after a power 
failure (which will be more common in the near future). 

I fear that my naive trust-to-luck works-like-the-past
assumptions are too naive.  

I hope that someone on the list can suggest an approach that
Just Works With Slightly More Preparation and Knowledge.

Keith

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Re: [PLUG] LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu

[greg]

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Friday, September 11, 2020 9:07 AM, Richard Owlett  
wrote:

> On 09/11/2020 06:59 AM, Mike C. wrote:
> 

> > > MY QUESTIONS:
> > > 

> > > 1.  How do I find which packages are explicitly installed by checking a
> > > specific box {primarily Mate}?
> > > I am NOT interested in packages that were flagged "recommends".
> > > 

> > 

> > Does this not answer Q1? https://packages.debian.org/buster/mate-desktop
> 

> To the question as asked - NO.
> I was expecting some guidance into source code
> HOWEVER it may be the answer to a question a level deeper than Q1.
> 

> > > 2.  Especially when installing from an .iso on a flash drive, how do
> > > I run apt-get before closing the installer?
> > > {i.e. install packages in the pool directory of the iso}
> > > 

> > 

> > You can add a non-CD mount point to the apt sources list thusly,
> > If you'd rather use your CD-ROM for installing packages or updating your
> 

> I doNOT have a CD-ROM. I have an ISO image on a flash drive.
> 

> I want to install additional packages from the ISO BEFORE exiting the
> installer and booting the new system for the first time.
> 

> > system automatically with APT, you can put it in your /etc/apt/sources.list.
> > To do so, you can use the apt-cdrom
> > https://manpages.debian.org/man/8/apt-cdrom program like this:
> > 

> > apt-cdrom add
> > 

> > ==
> > 

> > with the Debian CD-ROM in the drive.
> > You can use -d for the directory of the CD-ROM mount point or add a non-CD
> > mount point (i.e. a USB keydrive).
> > More info on apt-cdrom -
> > https://manpages.debian.org/buster/apt/apt-cdrom.8.en.html
> > A couple of more possibly useful pieces of info to support your endeavor.
> > 

> > 1.  Base Installation - " For technical reasons packages installed during
> > the installation of the base system are installed without their 
> > “Recommends”.
> > The rule described above only takes effect after this point in the
> > installation process. "
> > 

> 

> A reference for that quotation?
> I have experienced other and was part of a recent discussion of that on
> debian-user [will take some searching to find relevant posts -- it was
> one of those convoluted threads ].
> 

> > 2.  When the GUI installer gets to the Package Configuration, Software
> > Selection screen, select "manual package installation."
> > 

> 

> Elsewhere you pointed to
> [https://screenshots.debian.net/screenshot/tasksel]
> 

> Is that part of unstable &/or sid? I've never seen that screen.
> 

> > 3.  If you use dpkg instead of apt to install packages, no dependencies,
> > recommended or suggested packages will be installed.
> > https://screenshots.debian.net/screenshot/tasksel
> > 

> 

> I have never used, nor been directed to, anything but apt-get or
> synaptic for installing additional packages.
> 

> > 4.  If you track down the .deb files for your distro, you can get a breakout
> > of the specific packages and their requirements.
> > 

> > 

> > e.g.
> > https://debian.pkgs.org/11/debian-main-amd64/mate-desktop_1.24.1-1_amd64.deb.html
> > Hope that's somewhat on point and helpful.
> 

> Somewhat 
> You've given me some homework
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I have not seen option in the installer/taskdel to 'install additional 
package", that is deprecated, now the install does more meta-packagess", 


I do not use the gui install option, this might not relate to your case?
aFAIK, you have to boot into whatever DE or text base system. 



I use apt-cache, cli, hth 


some of the output of "apt-cache --help", the man page is more verbose.

"Most used commands:
  showsrc - Show source records
  search - Search the package list for a regex pattern
  depends - Show raw dependency information for a package
  rdepends - Show reverse dependency information for a package
  show - Show a readable record for the package
  pkgnames - List the names of all packages in the system
  policy - Show policy settings"


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Re: [PLUG] OT VLAN Setup between 2 Cisco switches

[Chuck Hast]

That is what I suspected, as I saw that several screens had
changed. I just sent you the kludge fix I did to get it to work
disabled STP on the trunk port on switch b. that took care of
it.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 4:25 PM Mike C.  wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 12:03 PM Chuck Hast  wrote:
>
> > I looked at another file I did after a change, all of the ports
> > on VLAN 20 have this format:
> > interface gigabitethernet36
> >  switchport mode access
> >  switchport access vlan 20
> > !
> > Regarding the trunk, I have twiddled all of the knobs I can find
> > but this is all I get.
> >
> > interface gigabitethernet50
> >  switchport trunk allowed vlan add 20
>
>
> As you've upgraded it's possible those config statements have been removed
> as they're incorporated in the GUI logic.
>
> Those switchport mode statements are from the CLI only days in which you
> had to set the mode first to access the sub-menu and features for that
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Re: [PLUG] OT VLAN Setup between 2 Cisco switches

[Chuck Hast]

I got it going, I had to disable STP on the B switch side. I have a
SG300 (switch A) here at home, and I also have a SG200 (switch
B). I have the 300 setup with port 28 (it is a 28 port switch) as the trunk
for
VLAN 20. Did same thing for port 52 on the SG200 (SW B) and the
usual no joy, it appeared that I had met all of the requirements that
you had listed but the stinking Spanning Tree on Switch B was
discarding, I went in and disabled it and  now it all talks. That will get
me going until I figure out how to re-enable STP on that port and make
it forward.


On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:03 PM Chuck Hast  wrote:

> I looked at another file I did after a change, all of the ports
> on VLAN 20 have this format:
> interface gigabitethernet36
>  switchport mode access
>  switchport access vlan 20
> !
> Regarding the trunk, I have twiddled all of the knobs I can find
> but this is all I get.
>
> interface gigabitethernet50
>  switchport trunk allowed vlan add 20
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 9:58 AM Chuck Hast  wrote:
>
>> Here is a scrape from the Port VLAN Membership screen. I sure wish
>> I could get into the CLI for sure on this one, but it shows these ports
>> as being members of VLAN 20.
>> Interface  Mode   AdministrativeOperational
>>VLANSVLANS
>> GE25  Access 20UP  20UP
>> GE26  Access 20UP  20UP
>> GE27  Access 20UP  20UP
>> GE28  Access 20UP  20UP
>> GE29  Access 20UP  20UP
>> GE30  Access 20UP  20UP
>> GE31  Access 20UP  20UP
>> GE32  Access 20UP  20UP
>> GE33  Access 20UP  20UP
>> GE34  Access 20UP  20UP
>> GE35  Access 20UP  20UP
>> GE36  Access 20UP  20UP
>> GE50  Trunk   1UP, 20T1UP, 20T
>>
>> Here is a scrape from the Port to VLAN screen
>> Interface   VLAN Mode Membership  PVID
>> NameType
>> GE25Access  Untagged [x]
>> GE26Access  Untagged [x]
>> GE27Access  Untagged [x]
>> GE28Access  Untagged [x]
>> GE29Access  Untagged [x]
>> GE30Access  Untagged [x]
>> GE31Access  Untagged [x]
>> GE32Access  Untagged [x]
>> GE33Access  Untagged [x]
>> GE34Access  Untagged [x]
>> GE35Access  Untagged [x]
>> GE36Access  Untagged [x]
>> GE50Trunk   Tagged
>>
>> That is how it is shown on the GUI.
>>
>> I looked at the config file and see what you mean, I will
>> make changes then dump the file and see what it does.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 12:13 AM Mike C.  wrote:
>>
>>> The config looks more like I'd expect to see it with the exception of
>>> these
>>> omissions:
>>>
>>> 1. The camera ports don't have a vlan id set. I'd expect to see a config
>>> statement like this for the camera ports:
>>>
>>> switchport access vlan 20
>>>
>>> 2. No trunk switchport mode config statement. I'd expect to see a config
>>> statement for port 50 that sets the port mode to trunk. This is the
>>> equivalent to all the other ports set to access mode. "switchport mode
>>> access"
>>>
>>> switchport mode trunk
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:32 PM Chuck Hast  wrote:
>>>
>>> > Mike,
>>> > I did all of the upgrades, there were some totally different
>>> > screens after the final upgrade, I have uploaded a test
>>> > config file for you to look at.
>>> > *
>>> >
>>> http://www.fileconvoy.com/dfl.php?id=ga1a6f14cc72ae98a100028043901eb98b17d036d59
>>> > <
>>> >
>>> http://www.fileconvoy.com/dfl.php?id=ga1a6f14cc72ae98a100028043901eb98b17d036d59
>>> > >*
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:28 PM Chuck Hast  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Found the guide for the GUI. Now to see if it can show me how to
>>> > > get SSH working so I can get to the CLI.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> https://www.cisco.com/c/dam/en/us/td/docs/switches/lan/csbss/sf20x_sg20x/administration_guide/Cisco_200Sx_v1_4_AG.pdf
>>> > >
>>> > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:48 PM Chuck Hast  wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> Well the switches in question are at a remote site but
>>> > >> I have another one of those switches here at home so
>>> > >> I am getting it brought up to date and then will go after
>>> > >> it. It is presently at factory so there is nothing that I have
>>> > >> added to it but to upgrade the boot/firmware. At this
>>> > >> moment I am stuffing the latest and greatest into it,
>>> > >> then I am going to see if I can conquer the SSH thing.
>>> > >> It is 

Re: [PLUG] OT VLAN Setup between 2 Cisco switches

[Mike C.]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 12:03 PM Chuck Hast  wrote:

> I looked at another file I did after a change, all of the ports
> on VLAN 20 have this format:
> interface gigabitethernet36
>  switchport mode access
>  switchport access vlan 20
> !
> Regarding the trunk, I have twiddled all of the knobs I can find
> but this is all I get.
>
> interface gigabitethernet50
>  switchport trunk allowed vlan add 20


As you've upgraded it's possible those config statements have been removed
as they're incorporated in the GUI logic.

Those switchport mode statements are from the CLI only days in which you
had to set the mode first to access the sub-menu and features for that mode.
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Re: [PLUG] Weather application for Xubuntu 18.04

[Chuck Hast]

The one common thread I have observed in this whole Covid 19
thing is (Elephant in closet) Obesity.  I see elderly people that
have tested positive for it but the worst case was sniffles and some
did not even know they had it, but they were ALL at or somewhat
under weight. I have two lab managers who have 92 and 94 year
old moms both women had Covid, one did not know it the other
had a "light cold" both tested positive for Covid. What I am coming
away with is this stuff hits obese folks bad. In my view this should
be a wake up call to us all to get rid of the excess weight and keep
it off. I lost 50 lbs starting late last year and into this year, I am very
happy I did.

Now back to Linux... A RPi for my thoughts...


On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:34 PM Ben Koenig  wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 12:16 PM Michael Barnes 
> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 10:58 Galen Seitz  wrote:
> >
> > > On 9/11/20 9:09 AM, King Beowulf wrote:
> > > > On 9/11/20 8:03 AM, Rich Shepard wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Drought, pandemic, federal administration, economic collapse, and
> now
> > > >> record
> > > >> wildland fires. A year to remember and there's still 1/3rd to go.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Almost sounds like the Four Horsemen are upon us.
> > >
> > > Locusts.  We're still missing the locusts.
> > >
> > >
> > > galen
> > > --
> > >
> >
> > The locusts were replaced by the giant murdering bees.
> >
> >
> Instead of famine we got widespread obesity. At least everyone will
> remember what happened this year because hindsight is 2020.
>
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Re: [PLUG] LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu

[Mike C.]

>
> I do *NOT* have a CD-ROM. I have an ISO image on a flash drive.
>

 You can use -d for the directory of the CD-ROM mount point or *add a
non-CD **mount point (i.e. a USB keydrive).*
> More info on apt-cdrom -  > 

I want to install additional packages from the ISO *BEFORE* exiting the
> installer and booting the new system for the first time.


This sounds to me like rolling your own installer.  Rabbit hole this way =>
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Build

You might be able to accomplish this using the Netinstall image and then
when prompted to install add'l sw, pointing the usb key mount. You'll to
wade through this heavily screenshot laden page, but you'll find the
instructions on how to do it about 60% down the page under: 4. Install
packages and finish up
I know the Netinstall image was mentioned last time you posted about this
is that what install image you're using now?

If not, the Netinst image provides a minimal console only install.

 Download and verify firmware-10.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso …

$ wget -c 
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-10.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso
$ wget 
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/SHA256SUMS
$ sha256sum -c --ignore-missing SHA256SUMS
firmware-10.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso: OK


> 1. Base Installation - " For technical reasons packages installed during
> the installation of the base system are installed without their
“Recommends”.
> The rule described above only takes effect after this point in the
> installation process."

A reference for that quotation?
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.en.html#di-install-base
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Re: [PLUG] Weather application for Xubuntu 18.04

[Ben Koenig]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 12:16 PM Michael Barnes 
wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 10:58 Galen Seitz  wrote:
>
> > On 9/11/20 9:09 AM, King Beowulf wrote:
> > > On 9/11/20 8:03 AM, Rich Shepard wrote:
> > >
> > >> Drought, pandemic, federal administration, economic collapse, and now
> > >> record
> > >> wildland fires. A year to remember and there's still 1/3rd to go.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Almost sounds like the Four Horsemen are upon us.
> >
> > Locusts.  We're still missing the locusts.
> >
> >
> > galen
> > --
> >
>
> The locusts were replaced by the giant murdering bees.
>
>
Instead of famine we got widespread obesity. At least everyone will
remember what happened this year because hindsight is 2020.



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Re: [PLUG] Weather application for Xubuntu 18.04

[Chuck Hast]

if you do curl wttn.in/location (if you have the airport ICAO code
that is even better) it will give you info on other places.

I just tried several around me, and then tried kpdx all of them came
back but Wiley Post Airport got something in Cameron.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:49 PM John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 13:37:40 -0500
> Chuck Hast  dijo:
>
> >I guess it determines the nearest WX office based on the ip address?
>
> It gave me Phoenix, AZ, and in Fahrenheit and miles. But my connection
> is in Miami, FL.
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Re: [PLUG] Weather application for Xubuntu 18.04

[Michael Barnes]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 10:58 Galen Seitz  wrote:

> On 9/11/20 9:09 AM, King Beowulf wrote:
> > On 9/11/20 8:03 AM, Rich Shepard wrote:
> >
> >> Drought, pandemic, federal administration, economic collapse, and now
> >> record
> >> wildland fires. A year to remember and there's still 1/3rd to go.
> >>
> >
> > Almost sounds like the Four Horsemen are upon us.
>
> Locusts.  We're still missing the locusts.
>
>
> galen
> --
>

The locusts were replaced by the giant murdering bees.

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Re: [PLUG] OT VLAN Setup between 2 Cisco switches

[Chuck Hast]

I looked at another file I did after a change, all of the ports
on VLAN 20 have this format:
interface gigabitethernet36
 switchport mode access
 switchport access vlan 20
!
Regarding the trunk, I have twiddled all of the knobs I can find
but this is all I get.

interface gigabitethernet50
 switchport trunk allowed vlan add 20

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 9:58 AM Chuck Hast  wrote:

> Here is a scrape from the Port VLAN Membership screen. I sure wish
> I could get into the CLI for sure on this one, but it shows these ports
> as being members of VLAN 20.
> Interface  Mode   AdministrativeOperational
>VLANSVLANS
> GE25  Access 20UP  20UP
> GE26  Access 20UP  20UP
> GE27  Access 20UP  20UP
> GE28  Access 20UP  20UP
> GE29  Access 20UP  20UP
> GE30  Access 20UP  20UP
> GE31  Access 20UP  20UP
> GE32  Access 20UP  20UP
> GE33  Access 20UP  20UP
> GE34  Access 20UP  20UP
> GE35  Access 20UP  20UP
> GE36  Access 20UP  20UP
> GE50  Trunk   1UP, 20T1UP, 20T
>
> Here is a scrape from the Port to VLAN screen
> Interface   VLAN Mode Membership  PVID
> NameType
> GE25Access  Untagged [x]
> GE26Access  Untagged [x]
> GE27Access  Untagged [x]
> GE28Access  Untagged [x]
> GE29Access  Untagged [x]
> GE30Access  Untagged [x]
> GE31Access  Untagged [x]
> GE32Access  Untagged [x]
> GE33Access  Untagged [x]
> GE34Access  Untagged [x]
> GE35Access  Untagged [x]
> GE36Access  Untagged [x]
> GE50Trunk   Tagged
>
> That is how it is shown on the GUI.
>
> I looked at the config file and see what you mean, I will
> make changes then dump the file and see what it does.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 12:13 AM Mike C.  wrote:
>
>> The config looks more like I'd expect to see it with the exception of
>> these
>> omissions:
>>
>> 1. The camera ports don't have a vlan id set. I'd expect to see a config
>> statement like this for the camera ports:
>>
>> switchport access vlan 20
>>
>> 2. No trunk switchport mode config statement. I'd expect to see a config
>> statement for port 50 that sets the port mode to trunk. This is the
>> equivalent to all the other ports set to access mode. "switchport mode
>> access"
>>
>> switchport mode trunk
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:32 PM Chuck Hast  wrote:
>>
>> > Mike,
>> > I did all of the upgrades, there were some totally different
>> > screens after the final upgrade, I have uploaded a test
>> > config file for you to look at.
>> > *
>> >
>> http://www.fileconvoy.com/dfl.php?id=ga1a6f14cc72ae98a100028043901eb98b17d036d59
>> > <
>> >
>> http://www.fileconvoy.com/dfl.php?id=ga1a6f14cc72ae98a100028043901eb98b17d036d59
>> > >*
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:28 PM Chuck Hast  wrote:
>> >
>> > > Found the guide for the GUI. Now to see if it can show me how to
>> > > get SSH working so I can get to the CLI.
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://www.cisco.com/c/dam/en/us/td/docs/switches/lan/csbss/sf20x_sg20x/administration_guide/Cisco_200Sx_v1_4_AG.pdf
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:48 PM Chuck Hast  wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Well the switches in question are at a remote site but
>> > >> I have another one of those switches here at home so
>> > >> I am getting it brought up to date and then will go after
>> > >> it. It is presently at factory so there is nothing that I have
>> > >> added to it but to upgrade the boot/firmware. At this
>> > >> moment I am stuffing the latest and greatest into it,
>> > >> then I am going to see if I can conquer the SSH thing.
>> > >> It is SUPPOSED to have a SSH server on board but
>> > >> so far I have not seen it. I see the client side but not
>> > >> the server side. But yet there is the CLI command list
>> > >> and I see comments about a box to be checked to
>> > >> enable the SSH server, (have yet to see said box).
>> > >> So I shall start with this one and get it going then I
>> > >> will use it as my reference with the other two.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:25 PM Mike C.  wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> At this point, it prolly makes more sense to just factory reset the
>> > >>> switch
>> > >>> and then just put all the camera ports in vlan 20 and then tag port
>> 50
>> > >>> as a
>> > >>> member of vlan 20.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>  I'm not sure how 

Re: [PLUG] Weather application for Xubuntu 18.04

[John Jason Jordan]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 13:37:40 -0500
Chuck Hast  dijo:

>I guess it determines the nearest WX office based on the ip address?

It gave me Phoenix, AZ, and in Fahrenheit and miles. But my connection
is in Miami, FL.
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Re: [PLUG] Weather application for Xubuntu 18.04

[Chuck Hast]

I guess it determines the nearest WX office based on the ip address?


On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:30 PM Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Sep 2020, Chuck Hast wrote:
>
> > I wonder if it will really run in a terminal?
>
> Yep. And it shows us Hillsboro weather.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Weather application for Xubuntu 18.04

[Rich Shepard]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2020, Chuck Hast wrote:


I wonder if it will really run in a terminal?


Yep. And it shows us Hillsboro weather.

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Re: [PLUG] Weather application for Xubuntu 18.04

[Chuck Hast]

Yep it does... Neat...


On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:22 PM Chuck Hast  wrote:

> I wonder if it will really run in a terminal?
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:04 PM carl day  wrote:
>
>> Here is a fun three day cmd from terminal:
>> curl wttr.in
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>
>

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Re: [PLUG] Weather application for Xubuntu 18.04

[Chuck Hast]

I wonder if it will really run in a terminal?


On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:04 PM carl day  wrote:

> Here is a fun three day cmd from terminal:
> curl wttr.in
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Re: [PLUG] Weather application for Xubuntu 18.04

[Rich Shepard]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2020, Galen Seitz wrote:


Locusts.  We're still missing the locusts.


galen,

Don't give up, there's still time.

Carpe weekend,

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Re: [PLUG] Weather application for Xubuntu 18.04

[carl day]

Here is a fun three day cmd from terminal:
curl wttr.in
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Re: [PLUG] Weather application for Xubuntu 18.04

[Galen Seitz]

On 9/11/20 9:09 AM, King Beowulf wrote:

On 9/11/20 8:03 AM, Rich Shepard wrote:


Drought, pandemic, federal administration, economic collapse, and now
record
wildland fires. A year to remember and there's still 1/3rd to go.



Almost sounds like the Four Horsemen are upon us.


Locusts.  We're still missing the locusts.


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Re: [PLUG] Weather application for Xubuntu 18.04

[Rich Shepard]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2020, King Beowulf wrote:


Almost sounds like the Four Horsemen are upon us.


They're all on ATVs nowadays.

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Re: [PLUG] Weather application for Xubuntu 18.04

[King Beowulf]

On 9/11/20 8:03 AM, Rich Shepard wrote:

> Drought, pandemic, federal administration, economic collapse, and now
> record
> wildland fires. A year to remember and there's still 1/3rd to go.
> 

Almost sounds like the Four Horsemen are upon us.





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Re: [PLUG] LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu

[Richard Owlett]

On 09/11/2020 06:59 AM, Mike C. wrote:


_MY QUESTIONS:_

1. How do I find which packages are explicitly installed by checking a
 specific box {primarily Mate}?
 I am *NOT* interested in packages that were flagged "recommends".



Does this not answer Q1? https://packages.debian.org/buster/mate-desktop


To the question as asked - NO.
I was expecting some guidance into source code
*HOWEVER* it may be the answer to a question a level deeper than Q1.





2. Especially when installing from an .iso on a flash drive, how do
 I run apt-get before closing the installer?
 {i.e. install packages in the pool directory of the iso}



You can add a non-CD mount point to the apt sources list thusly,
If you'd rather use your CD-ROM for installing packages or updating your


I do *NOT* have a CD-ROM. I have an ISO image on a flash drive.

I want to install additional packages from the ISO *BEFORE* exiting the 
installer and booting the new system for the first time.



system automatically with APT, you can put it in your /etc/apt/sources.list.
To do so, you can use the apt-cdrom
 program like this:

# apt-cdrom add

with the Debian CD-ROM in the drive.

You can use -d for the directory of the CD-ROM mount point or add a non-CD
mount point (i.e. a USB keydrive).
More info on apt-cdrom -
https://manpages.debian.org/buster/apt/apt-cdrom.8.en.html

A couple of more possibly useful pieces of info to support your endeavor.

1. Base Installation - " For technical reasons packages installed during
the installation of the base system are installed without their “Recommends”.
The rule described above only takes effect after this point in the
installation process. "


A reference for that quotation?
I have experienced other and was part of a recent discussion of that on 
debian-user [will take some searching to find relevant posts -- it was 
one of those convoluted threads ].




2. When the GUI installer gets to the Package Configuration, Software
Selection screen, select "manual package installation."


Elsewhere you pointed to
[https://screenshots.debian.net/screenshot/tasksel]

Is that part of unstable &/or sid? I've never seen that screen.



3. If you use dpkg instead of apt to install packages, no dependencies,
recommended or suggested packages will be installed.
https://screenshots.debian.net/screenshot/tasksel


I have never used, nor been directed to, anything but apt-get or 
synaptic for installing additional packages.


4. If you track down the .deb files for your distro, you can get a breakout
of the specific packages and their requirements.

e.g.
https://debian.pkgs.org/11/debian-main-amd64/mate-desktop_1.24.1-1_amd64.deb.html

Hope that's somewhat on point and helpful.



Somewhat 
You've given me some homework




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Re: [PLUG] Weather application for Xubuntu 18.04

[Chuck Hast]

Chee... I remember the fires back 4 years ago when I was
servicing ozone equipment. I had to make a run out to
Burley ID to work on a machine in a potato chip factory.
Had to take about a 7 hour side trip to get around that
big fire or fires that were along I 84. That was pretty bad
but this is really bad. It must really be dry out there. I was
there back from the 1st to the 4th of July doing some work
in downtown Portland (sad sad sad such a beautiful city
wrecked by that bunch) so the winds of the Sahel must
have descended on the west to dry it out that bad.

I drove up to Longview and Kalama to take care of some
things from the past and visit some folks, All looked nice
and watered at that time so it must have really turned DRY.

I used to go down to Medford to service equipment at
Harry and David facilities. In fact I was down there the day
They opened the In-N-Out in Medford.  I recall having to
run down to a parts place in Phoenix for a part, I drove
through Talent several times.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 10:03 AM Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Sep 2020, Chuck Hast wrote:
>
> > More seriously it looks pretty bad in some places, I guess some towns in
> > Southern OR have gone up in flames.
>
> Talent and Phoenix in southern Oregon have been destroyed. Mill City mostly
> destroyed. Santiam Canyon pretty well totally burned, including the city of
> Detroit. All Clackamas County under evacuation levels: the eastern half is
> level 3 ("Get out now") the western half under level 2 ("Prepare to
> leave"),
> including Canby and Oregon City. Portland's declared a fire emergency
> because the southern areas are threatende. To the east, Sandy and Corbett
> have been told to get ready to go.
>
> Smoke's so thick I can barely see the houses about 100m across our
> neighborhood park from my back yard.
>
> When the rains come (which might be mid-next week) the erosion and flooding
> will exacerbate the misery and costs.
>
> Drought, pandemic, federal administration, economic collapse, and now
> record
> wildland fires. A year to remember and there's still 1/3rd to go.
>
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Re: [PLUG] Weather application for Xubuntu 18.04

[Rich Shepard]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2020, Chuck Hast wrote:


More seriously it looks pretty bad in some places, I guess some towns in
Southern OR have gone up in flames.


Talent and Phoenix in southern Oregon have been destroyed. Mill City mostly
destroyed. Santiam Canyon pretty well totally burned, including the city of
Detroit. All Clackamas County under evacuation levels: the eastern half is
level 3 ("Get out now") the western half under level 2 ("Prepare to leave"),
including Canby and Oregon City. Portland's declared a fire emergency
because the southern areas are threatende. To the east, Sandy and Corbett
have been told to get ready to go.

Smoke's so thick I can barely see the houses about 100m across our
neighborhood park from my back yard.

When the rains come (which might be mid-next week) the erosion and flooding
will exacerbate the misery and costs.

Drought, pandemic, federal administration, economic collapse, and now record
wildland fires. A year to remember and there's still 1/3rd to go.

Rich

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Re: [PLUG] OT VLAN Setup between 2 Cisco switches

[Chuck Hast]

Here is a scrape from the Port VLAN Membership screen. I sure wish
I could get into the CLI for sure on this one, but it shows these ports
as being members of VLAN 20.
Interface  Mode   AdministrativeOperational
   VLANSVLANS
GE25  Access 20UP  20UP
GE26  Access 20UP  20UP
GE27  Access 20UP  20UP
GE28  Access 20UP  20UP
GE29  Access 20UP  20UP
GE30  Access 20UP  20UP
GE31  Access 20UP  20UP
GE32  Access 20UP  20UP
GE33  Access 20UP  20UP
GE34  Access 20UP  20UP
GE35  Access 20UP  20UP
GE36  Access 20UP  20UP
GE50  Trunk   1UP, 20T1UP, 20T

Here is a scrape from the Port to VLAN screen
Interface   VLAN Mode Membership  PVID
NameType
GE25Access  Untagged [x]
GE26Access  Untagged [x]
GE27Access  Untagged [x]
GE28Access  Untagged [x]
GE29Access  Untagged [x]
GE30Access  Untagged [x]
GE31Access  Untagged [x]
GE32Access  Untagged [x]
GE33Access  Untagged [x]
GE34Access  Untagged [x]
GE35Access  Untagged [x]
GE36Access  Untagged [x]
GE50Trunk   Tagged

That is how it is shown on the GUI.

I looked at the config file and see what you mean, I will
make changes then dump the file and see what it does.


On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 12:13 AM Mike C.  wrote:

> The config looks more like I'd expect to see it with the exception of these
> omissions:
>
> 1. The camera ports don't have a vlan id set. I'd expect to see a config
> statement like this for the camera ports:
>
> switchport access vlan 20
>
> 2. No trunk switchport mode config statement. I'd expect to see a config
> statement for port 50 that sets the port mode to trunk. This is the
> equivalent to all the other ports set to access mode. "switchport mode
> access"
>
> switchport mode trunk
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:32 PM Chuck Hast  wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> > I did all of the upgrades, there were some totally different
> > screens after the final upgrade, I have uploaded a test
> > config file for you to look at.
> > *
> >
> http://www.fileconvoy.com/dfl.php?id=ga1a6f14cc72ae98a100028043901eb98b17d036d59
> > <
> >
> http://www.fileconvoy.com/dfl.php?id=ga1a6f14cc72ae98a100028043901eb98b17d036d59
> > >*
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:28 PM Chuck Hast  wrote:
> >
> > > Found the guide for the GUI. Now to see if it can show me how to
> > > get SSH working so I can get to the CLI.
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.cisco.com/c/dam/en/us/td/docs/switches/lan/csbss/sf20x_sg20x/administration_guide/Cisco_200Sx_v1_4_AG.pdf
> > >
> > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:48 PM Chuck Hast  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Well the switches in question are at a remote site but
> > >> I have another one of those switches here at home so
> > >> I am getting it brought up to date and then will go after
> > >> it. It is presently at factory so there is nothing that I have
> > >> added to it but to upgrade the boot/firmware. At this
> > >> moment I am stuffing the latest and greatest into it,
> > >> then I am going to see if I can conquer the SSH thing.
> > >> It is SUPPOSED to have a SSH server on board but
> > >> so far I have not seen it. I see the client side but not
> > >> the server side. But yet there is the CLI command list
> > >> and I see comments about a box to be checked to
> > >> enable the SSH server, (have yet to see said box).
> > >> So I shall start with this one and get it going then I
> > >> will use it as my reference with the other two.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:25 PM Mike C.  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> At this point, it prolly makes more sense to just factory reset the
> > >>> switch
> > >>> and then just put all the camera ports in vlan 20 and then tag port
> 50
> > >>> as a
> > >>> member of vlan 20.
> > >>>
> > >>>  I'm not sure how old this OS is but when Cisco and other vendors
> first
> > >>> started rolling out their GUIs, it wasn't uncommon for folks to get
> > >>> confused while provisioning, troubleshooting and even for config
> files
> > >>> being corrupted.
> > >>>
> > >>> So, it's just force of habit for me to look at the actual running
> > config.
> > >>>
> > >>> I hope this helps you get this all sorted out soon.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 6:30 PM Chuck Hast  wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> > Mike,
> > >>> > I have done all of the upgrades to 

Re: [PLUG] Weather application for Xubuntu 18.04

[Chuck Hast]

We have been getting that smoke here in flyover country. There
were a couple of days that it looked cloudy but it was smoke.

Gotta quit burning that nasty weed. B-]

More seriously it looks pretty bad in some places, I guess some
towns in Southern OR have gone up in flames.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 10:21 PM Tomas Kuchta 
wrote:

> OPB reports a lot of smoke at least through the weekend. Temperature in
> 80s. Looking through the window and checking the thermometer - check!
>
> Remind me, through the  mailing list to post update on Saturday or Sunday.
>
> You are welcome,
> Tomas
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 18:54 Chuck Hast  wrote:
>
> > OK, if you ever get one look at WeeWx... Mine publishes my
> > WX data to Wunderground, CWOP, APRS and several others.
> > When I go view it on Weather Underground it is integrated into
> > the local forecast.
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:36 PM John Jason Jordan 
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 20:13:52 -0500
> > > Chuck Hast  dijo:
> > >
> > > >Do you have a home weather station or are you just displaying
> > > >weather for your area?
> > >
> > > I just want to see what the local weather is and a forecast for what
> > > it will be in the next several days. I have no weather station.
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> > Chuck Hast  -- KP4DJT --
> > I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
> > Ph 4:13 KJV
> > Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece.
> > Fil 4:13 RVR1960
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Chuck Hast  -- KP4DJT --
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Ph 4:13 KJV
Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece.
Fil 4:13 RVR1960
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Re: [PLUG] what is that 'wchast file' thing?

[Rich Shepard]

On Thu, 10 Sep 2020, Tom wrote:


Is it spam? If so why does it keep coming back? I'd think somebody
would have filtered it by now.


Tom,

Chuck and Mike are working on properly configuring a couple of Cisco
switches (or routers, or other network hardware.) Because the PLUG mail list
strips attachments from messages Chuck uploads them to a cloud server which
then sends to the list the URL to download the attachments.

T'ain't spam.

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu

[Mike C.]

>
> 2. When the GUI installer gets to the Package Configuration, Software
> Selection screen, select "manual package installation."
>

https://screenshots.debian.net/screenshot/tasksel

-- The link to the installer screenshot was omitted in my initial reply.
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Re: [PLUG] LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu

[Mike C.]

>
> _MY QUESTIONS:_
>
> 1. How do I find which packages are explicitly installed by checking a
> specific box {primarily Mate}?
> I am *NOT* interested in packages that were flagged "recommends".
>

Does this not answer Q1? https://packages.debian.org/buster/mate-desktop


> 2. Especially when installing from an .iso on a flash drive, how do
> I run apt-get before closing the installer?
> {i.e. install packages in the pool directory of the iso}


You can add a non-CD mount point to the apt sources list thusly,
If you'd rather use your CD-ROM for installing packages or updating your
system automatically with APT, you can put it in your /etc/apt/sources.list.
To do so, you can use the apt-cdrom
 program like this:

# apt-cdrom add

with the Debian CD-ROM in the drive.

You can use -d for the directory of the CD-ROM mount point or add a non-CD
mount point (i.e. a USB keydrive).
More info on apt-cdrom -
https://manpages.debian.org/buster/apt/apt-cdrom.8.en.html

A couple of more possibly useful pieces of info to support your endeavor.

1. Base Installation - " For technical reasons packages installed during
the installation of the base system are installed without their “Recommends”.
The rule described above only takes effect after this point in the
installation process. "

2. When the GUI installer gets to the Package Configuration, Software
Selection screen, select "manual package installation."

3. If you use dpkg instead of apt to install packages, no dependencies,
recommended or suggested packages will be installed.
https://screenshots.debian.net/screenshot/tasksel

4. If you track down the .deb files for your distro, you can get a breakout
of the specific packages and their requirements.

e.g.
https://debian.pkgs.org/11/debian-main-amd64/mate-desktop_1.24.1-1_amd64.deb.html

Hope that's somewhat on point and helpful.

Cheers!
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[PLUG] LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu

[Richard Owlett]

CAVEAT LECTOR
This post _resembles_ one made to the Debian user list.
Many of the replies I got I consider to be off-topic.
I'll try to be more explicit here.

_PROBLEM:_

The goal of Debian designers could be summarized as maximizing
functionality for the broadest possible audience.
That works very well *most* of the time.
I find it VERY annoying when it doesn't.

Problems I have encountered include:
  1. Being compelled to purchase installation DVDs due to bandwidth
 or data cap constraints.
 {aggravated by installer treating "recommends" as "depends"}
  2. Very large undesired packages {e.g. LibreOffice}
  3. Applications cluttering menus for which one uses a better
 alternative. {I prefer SeaMonkey over Firefox}

_POSSIBLE SOLUTION:_

During install leave unchecked all options on the "Software Selection" 
menu[1] and create appropriate pseudo-packages to be installed with 
"apt-get --no-install-recommends"



_MY QUESTIONS:_

1. How do I find which packages are explicitly installed by checking a
   specific box {primarily Mate}?
   I am *NOT* interested in packages that were flagged "recommends".
2. Especially when installing from an .iso on a flash drive, how do
   I run apt-get before closing the installer?
   {i.e. install packages in the pool directory of the iso}

TIA




[1] Figure 4.13 of 
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/sect.installation-steps.en.html


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