Re: VOIP Solution For Remote Group
Zoom has worked well for us, and the Linux support is decent. Another approach is to set up an Obihai with a Google Voice number. It's very affordable, doesn't take much effort to set up, and is very flexible if you want to expand the capability in the future. http://www.obihai.com/ -- Richard On Friday, March 24, 2017 6:20:22 PM BST Matt plug.org wrote: > Pluggers, > > I'm part of an independent 3-man operation, and we all work from our > respective homes. We're looking for a good solution for VOIP to: easily > make "internal" calls to each other, have some sort of conference/multi-way > call to include all of us plus customers, and do some forwarding to cell > phones when we can't answer on the home/VOIP connection. > > Budget is a big concern here, considering it comes straight out of our > pockets. Is there some good hardware (even used or refurbished) that would > do what we need? Recommendations for a reliable service provider? Would > asterisk or freeswitch be helpful here at all? > > Thanks for any help on this; it's a world that I don't know much about. > > > Matt /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT] What!? THE HULK backed Daplie!
"peep" = people My understanding is that Daplie's initial offering is similiar to ownCloud, but it is a separate implementation with aspirations to be much easier to use and have a broader feature set. http://daplie.com/ On Friday, December 9, 2016 4:03:07 PM MST Nicholas Leippe wrote: > Is it just a friendlier-packaged appliance hosting own-cloud? > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Michael Torrie wrote: > > > On 12/09/2016 11:02 AM, Frostyfrog wrote: > > > Wow, Nice! > > > > > > Out of curiosity, are any Daplie peeps in #utah? > > > > What's a Dalpie? What's a peep? /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: UTOPIA fiber upgrade
UTOPIA and XMission have both changed their rates since I started subscribing years ago, and my plan didn't get upgraded. When XMission emailed me about the new 250Mbps plan, I discovered that it would actually lowered my monthly bill by $5/month. XMission then gave me a credit for the time that they were over charging me. Thanks XMission! My bill doesn't claim to have any sort of equipment rental, just the $30/month UTOPIA infrastructure fee. And my actual speeds are closer to 300Mbps. I'm curious to hear if you really need to rent your modem. That would be sad. On Tuesday, June 07, 2016 18:04:33 Eric Olsen wrote: > On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Charles Curley < > charlescur...@charlescurley.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 17:37:23 -0600 > > Eric Olsen wrote: > > > > > UTOPIA has upgraded their base speed to 250Mbps, which is beyond the > > > capability of my old Allied Telesis modem. They are offering to > > > upgrade me if I sign away my soul for an additional $15/month. > > > > I would ask myself: do I really need the increase in speed for $180 per > > year? I now have fibre optics into my office, and haven't got around to > > increasing the speed here. > > > > There's the thing though, at this point the answer to that specific > question is "not yet" - but that wasn't the question. The question was, can > I get the speed for a one-time cost of $200 (hardware for $150, > installation for $50). /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Trying to find article about GPL / trademark complications
Bradley Kuhn gave a useful presentation at OSCON last year about how Kallithea resolved their licensing disputes when the project founder wanted to take it proprietary: http:/http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/open-source-2015/public/schedule/detail/42015/conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/open-source-2015/public/schedule/detail/42015 On Saturday, May 28, 2016 17:36:12 AJ ONeal wrote: > If I recall correctly last year there was some sort of network tool that > release all of their stuff under the GPL, but it was riddled with branding > (images) and trademarks (product name, slogans) that had to be removed > manually in order to actually build and use the code legally. > > I seem to remember it becoming a big deal and threading on reddit or > similar. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? > > Or something similar? > I'm looking for one of these types of articles. > > AJ ONeal > > /* > PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net > Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug > Don't fear the penguin. > */ /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Editing Nikon .NEF RAW photos in Linux.
+1 to what Michael said. I haven't used Darktable, but most graphics software has a concept of a device color profile. If your color profile is not calibrated for your device, you can get results that look different from what you expect. This is a good explanation: http://www.brighthub.com/computing/linux/articles/75216.aspx And this takes you through the specifics for a common calibration device: http://www.tuqix.org/wordpress/?p=232 On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 14:31:54 Michael Torrie wrote: > On 05/17/2016 10:10 PM, Josh Mudge wrote: > > Has anyone had success editing Nikon .NEF RAW photos in Linux? I tried Gimp > > with ufraw but the colors are messed up and it looks darker than it should > > be. > > But "darker than it should be" depends entirely on the adjustments the > viewing program is making as it displays the image--the raw data is raw > data. Isn't the point of raw files to give you access to the raw sensor > values without any color adjustment or post processing, so you can make > the image look however you need it to look? In other words, if it's too > dark, lighten it? Sounds to me that the ufraw plugin is applying > different parameters than you are used to while rendering this raw data > to the screen. > > What about the colors isn't right? /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: New laptops with hybrid graphics
I'm running the Dell M3800 which has the NVIDIA hybrid graphics. My external monitor is not 4K, but I haven't had any trouble. Whatever graphics driver is auto-detected by Fedora appears to work fine. It took me a while to figure out to use Bumblebee to access the discrete graphics, but appears to work. On Thursday, April 21, 2016 10:49:24 John Shaver wrote: > Hey all, > > Do any of you have experience with running linux (Debian/Arch > preferably) on any of the recent Dell Precision laptops? They have a > newer type of hybrid graphics and I don't think you can disable the > hybrid graphics in the BIOS anymore. > > Of particular concern: > > They don't allow you to order it with ubuntu and the 4k display. Even > if I can only use the intel graphics, it should support a 4k display > right? > > I want to run 2 4k displays off of the docking port. I think the > Intel graphics should support this, but I had trouble getting a single > display to work with a Lenovo W550s (with similar hybrid graphics) and > Ubuntu. I ended up returning that laptop. > > So I guess I just want to see if anyone has any experience with these > laptops before I spend 2k one =/ > > Thanks, > > John Shaver > > /* > PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net > Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug > Don't fear the penguin. > */ /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Wired Router
The ASUS firmware does uplink failover out-of-the-box; it repurposes one of the other ports as an additional uplink. As an added bonus, it is completely open source. I recently installed an ASUS RT-AC66U so that I can take advantage of my Utopia+Xmission 250MB connection. The ASUSWRT-MERLIN firmware adds some nice features such as local DNS name lookup. Cheers, Richard On Monday, December 28, 2015 07:18:52 Nicholas Leippe wrote: > It doesn't matter what the silkscreen labels a port on one of these > routers. Once you have openwrt installed you can purpose any port for any > task you want. > As for tutorials, it's been a while, so just google and take your > pick--that's all I'd do at this point. > > https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+router+multiple+isp&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 > > lartc.org is usually good. > > > On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 10:29 PM, Dan Egli wrote: > > > What I meant when I said I needed a linux machine and not an openwrt router > > was that I didn't see how a router with only one WAN port could handle > > multiple uplinks. However, if you say it could handle it, then I guess I > > was mistaken. Not like it's the first time, or that it will be the last. > > I'd love to see one of these tutorials. Perhaps you could point me to a > > good one? I'd be looking for one that dealt with multiple ISPs, not with a > > cell phone tether, although it's nice to know a cell phone tether works > > too. > > > > Thanks! > > --- Dan > > > > On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 12:42 AM, Nicholas Leippe wrote: > > > > > A router flashed with openwrt *is* just a linux machine. It can do this > > > just fine. > > > I've done multiple uplink setups before, it's not that difficult--there's > > > tutorials. > > > You can do this with multiple ISPs, or combine one ISP with a cell-phone > > > using it's data tethering features (which is easy and free if you have a > > > rooted android--it's just linux in there where the networking is > > concerned, > > > iptables and all). > > > > > > You don't need any special tools, just the regular networking tools like > > > iptables and ip. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 11:18 PM, Dan Egli wrote: > > > > > > > On December 23, 2015, Nicholas Leippe wrote: > > > > > In the past I have done some pretty interesting things with iptables, > > > tc, > > > > > and route for more advanced setups. There are actually some pretty > > > > > interesting optimizations you can do even just within iptables using > > > the > > > > > mangle table, CONNMARK, and reorganizing your rules to make things > > more > > > > > performant in cases where it matters. > > > > > > > > One thing I always wondered was if there was a (relatively easy) way to > > > > setup a multi-home auto-fallback router. I.e. if I have two internet > > > > connections (maybe, for example, one via Comcast and one via Qwest) my > > > > primary internet connection goes down then have the linux machine (and > > I > > > > imagine it would have to be an actual separate machine, not just a > > router > > > > flashed with openwrt) detect that the primary connection is not > > > > functioning, and automatically change the default route to the > > secondary > > > > connection, and then when the primary connection becomes usable again, > > > the > > > > router automatically changes the default route back. > > > > > > > > Anyone aware of any tools that would allow me to do this? > > > > > > > > --- Dan /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Recommendations: USB to Wireless 802.11 b/g/n
I find that ASUS products have great Linux support. My ASUS USB-N13 has been reliable for a couple of years in both Ubuntu and Fedora. Richard On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 15:18:47 Charles Curley wrote: > Any recommendations for a USB to Wireless 802.11 b/g/n adapter? This is > to work with Debian 7.8 (wheezy) and 8.x (Jessie). > > I tried a NETGEAR G54N150 WiFi USB Micro Adapter WNA1000M, and could > not get it to work. > > Thank you. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Good book for learning to use Expect?
I have never gotten expect to work as advertised. For this sort of thing I would use one of these two tools, depending on the larger environment around languages and libraries. Python Mechanize + Beautiful Soup http://swizec.com/blog/scraping-with-mechanize-and-beautifulsoup/swizec/5039 Selenium WebDriver http://docs.seleniumhq.org/docs/03_webdriver.jsp Cheers, Richard On Thursday, April 30, 2015 03:38:49 Dan Egli wrote: > Anyone able to recommend a good book for Expect? Or perhaps a better method > of accomplishing the sequence below (and books on learning that method)? > > > > What I'm trying to automate is a specific sequence of events like this: > > An event is triggered on box1. Box1 in turn runs a script (exepct or other) > that will call a specific web page, update information on that page, exit > and open a text file in an editor (nano used in the example below, but any > editor will be okay), change values in that file, save and exit, rebuild an > index for that file used by a separate program, and then log out. > > > > The session would resemble something like this (assuming the script call is > event.expect ): > > elinks www.mydomain.tld > > click on link 1 > > click on link 4 > > enter username and password to login to the site correctly > > click on link 2 > > change field 2 value to > > change field 4 value to > > click submit > > click link3 > > exit elinks > > nano /var/special/basefile.txt > > change field 2 on line 3 to > > change field 2 on line 4 to > > change field 2 on line 6 to > > change field 2 on line 7 to > > change field 3 on line 9 to > > [save and exit] > > newindex basefile.txt basefile.index > > logout > > > > I'm not particularly attached to elinks or nano, but that was the easiest > way (combined with expect/autoexpect) I could think of to automate this > sequence. If there's a better/easier way using another program, I'm all > ears. Just don't say I should use wget or curl because they don't handle > POSTs very well and this will be a POST site that is being connected to. > And, last I looked, curl and wget could only handle generic http auth (i.e. > .htpasswd logins), not any kind of custom login sequence. That won't be the > case here. > > > > Either way, recommendations on the method and a book to learn this method > are most welcome. > > > > Thanks all! > --- Dan > > /* > PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net > Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug > Don't fear the penguin. > */ /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Selenium Poll
Alfresco uses Selenium Webdriver for all of our automated UI testing, and we distribute example tests in our SDK for others to use in their extensions of Alfresco. For the curious, here are a couple presentations outlining how it is used: https://summit.alfresco.com/london/sessions/testing-strategies-your-alfresco-add-ons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZYJn0vzuFs Richard On 03/12/2015 10:12 AM, Kyle Waters wrote: I'm putting together a presentation for Openwest and was curious as to the practices as other shops that use selenium. How do you use selenium(Selenium IDE,Selenium Webdriver)? If you use Webdriver which bindings do you use, and do you use it with a separate testing framework(e.g. PHPUnit)? Kyle /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Terminal emulator lock rows and columns, increase font size
I am puzzled by your question. Most modern terminal emulators make it easy to change the font size. Perhaps you want the terminal to lock the number of rows and columns, and then scale the font based on the window size? I live in Konsole, and it does not automatically scale the font to the window size. But it does support multiple profiles that are easy to change with a keystroke. I use that to change the font size based on which monitor I am on (high DPI vs low DPI). Richard On 01/28/2015 11:08 AM, Kyle Waters wrote: My employer uses the windows version of putty to provide console access to a Linux server. Under the configure menu when I click on Window, Putty has the following options: When window is resized: Change the number of rows and columns Change the size of the font Change font size only when maximised Forbid resizing completely The console access is being used to access a program that is locked at a certain number of rows and columns so when set to the first option no more data appears on the screen you just end up with a black border on the right and the bottom. Which is the same thing that happens with most terminal emulators. So I have begun selecting the second option which is really convenient as it allows users to set the terminal size based off of what else they are using on the screen and get bigger easier to read text. I'm in the process of switching these workstations to Linux. Does anyone know of a terminal emulator for Linux that has that option. Putty for Linux does not(Or at least I haven't found it yet). Kyle /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Good Linux Voice interview with Lennart Poettering
This forum post got me seriously considering the merits of systemd: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1149530#p1149530 Though I am generally on the fence with regards to systemd, I think there is a lot of value in increasing the consistency across Linux distributions. If I'm going to have to deal with systemd either way, I hope it serves that purpose so that our effective user base is greater and it is easier for 3rd party software to support my platform of choice. Richard On 01/16/2015 09:54 AM, Michael Torrie wrote: Thought some of you might be interested in this interview with Lennart Poettering concerning systemd: http://www.linuxvoice.com/interview-lennart-poettering/ Also there was a good interview with him on the Linux Action Show podcast recently if you're into podcasts. LAS is a bit (a lot) over the top but occasionally informative: http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/traffic.libsyn.com/jbmirror/linuxactionshowep342.mp3 or http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/73122/lennarts-linux-revolution-las-342/ What I found especially interesting about the LAS podcast was when Lennart touched on some of the main problems with how Linux distributions are currently put together, the limitations of package managers, and how we can maybe expand on and overcome these challenges. Worth a listen if you're inclined to podcasts. If anything the article with Poettering is good because 90% of what you read about systemd on the interwebs is complete and utter BS that gets spouted over and over again. It's quite astounding. And I publicly thank Stuart for calling me to task a couple of years ago when I showed my ignorance in regards to systemd. Every time I read another round of BS systemd FUD, I'm grateful Stuart kept me from being one of these idiots. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Best way to get a basic Linux laptop?
My preferences in a laptop are similar to Todd's--I'm only going to carry my laptop a couple of times a month, so I'll optimize for power. My employer bought me a new Dell M3800, and I spent the weekend putting Fedora 21 on it (KDE). Everything appears to work out of the box. I was impressed to find that even though Dell made my employer pay the Windows tax, they have a team making sure that Linux driver support exists for most of their laptops[1]. I had a few problems, which appear to be fundamental problems with Linux on modern developer-class laptops: * Linux support for the NVIDIA Optimus graphics is provided by the Bumblebee project. It works, and wasn't hard to set up, but is not very user friendly to use. When a user decides that a specific application needs more power, and should therefore cut battery life, the user can launch that application with Bumblebee. * Linux support for high DPI screens is still poor. Especially with a low DPI external monitor. (It works, but is ugly.) * Linux can't do anything advanced with the touch screen (a Firefox plugin called "Grab and Drag" can help in that app). A second monitor messes up the touch screen recognition because it maps the touches on one screen across both monitors. * I miss the nice touchpad gestures of OSX. (But not enough to put up with OSX.) The first two appear to be resolved in Wayland. Unity/Mir appears to be making support in all three. Gnome3 has worse high DPI support than KDE at the moment, but better multi-touch gestures. I might be able to get nice gestures with Touchégg, but it is written for Ubuntu and might not compile cleanly for Fedora. Google suggests that the last three problems also exist to some extent in Windows 8.1. These are the areas where OSX is the leader, though OSX couldn't handle my external low-DPI monitor either. My external monitor is crystal clear with Linux. If any of you have solutions for the above problems, I would appreciate you sharing them. Richard [1] http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/b/techcenter/archive/2013/11/14/ubuntu-on-the-precision-m3800 On 01/09/2015 12:54 PM, Tod Hansmann wrote: On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Clint Savage wrote: Also, I would guess that the 1080p display your wife has is not on an ultrabook or small display laptop. I'm not sure why laptop manufacturers don't put nicer displays in those things as it would make complete sense. Business users who travel could really use a snazzy display like that, plus if you travel, yeah... In the ultrabooks, the majority of the cost IS the display (largely in the power consumption tech), so I can see that being a reason when most people don't use the resolution for their work. That said, I refuse to ever use anything below 1680x1050 for any serious computing, so my pickiness shows here. I spent a premium on my Surface for that resolution. I actually don't subscribe to the idea that ultrabooks are all that great, really. My Surface is useful as a portable drawing machine with a keyboard, but if I was traveling a lot, I'd probably stick with a 14-17" laptop, likely a "desktop replacement" in power. Portable computing is a joke beyond simple tasks (to me, mind you). For simple stuff like most things you'd do in a word processor or email, I am fine to use my phone on the go. I know this is just me. I know I'm not the market. I'm just hoping there's a laptop out there I can get a linux desktop experience on for something close to the price of my linux desktop (and I can build a very nice linux desktop for < $600 including monitor). Like I said, I'm picky with my devices. I'll never be satisfied =cP -Tod Hansmann /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */ /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Best way to get a basic Linux laptop?
I spent November researching Linux laptop for a family member. I only wanted to buy modern hardware (not refurbished) to get maximum lifetime out of the machine. I found that the cheapest option was to get a cheap Dell or HP, but then I would be paying the Windows tax and struggling with compatibility. I have previously purchased from System76 and had a great experience (details are in my blog). This time I bought an Acer TravelMate off of NewEgg and have been happy. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=34-314-516 Richard On 12/20/2014 08:20 PM, Brian J. Rogers wrote: Simple, while subjective, could be just buying one from System76. Cheapest would be to buy a low powered or used one then installing Ubuntu yourself. I picked up a refurbished Asus off Newegg for ~$300, and it has been running Fedora like a champ. I've tried Ubuntu on it and didn't have a problem. On Dec 20, 2014 7:53 PM, "Olli Ries" wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Nicholas Stewart wrote: I'm looking to get a laptop to run Ubuntu with basic req's like 4 GB RAM and 250+ GB hard drive. What's the simplest/cheapest way to do this? Most Lenovo's will do and you can get their consumer laptops for ~$400 ($380 for a G Series one atm on sale). Dell's XPS 13 is the developer laptop and certified, but >$1000. NVidia and ATi gfx chips typically work fine, but Intel GFX is best supported and given your specs you aren't looking at framerate intensive gaming or graphics applications. I have a Dell XPS 12, 8GB Ram (iirc, need to check), 512GB SSD, i7 2.7GHz, 13months old which can be yours for $700, the camera however is not working under Linux (Ubuntu 14.10) hth, O. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Bash programming resources
In addition to the ABS guide, I have benefited from these two: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html On 12/23/2014 09:17 AM, Lloyd Brown wrote: Interesting. I've always found the ABS guide (http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/) pretty good. Having said that, for me it was more of a place I went to look for specific features that I already vaguely knew and remembered, rather than learning from scratch. Maybe that's the difference. It does seem to be high in the list of google results for bash features, fairly frequently, though. Lloyd Brown Systems Administrator Fulton Supercomputing Lab Brigham Young University http://marylou.byu.edu On 12/23/2014 09:12 AM, Nicholas Leippe wrote: Several comments suggest that the ABS guide is less then stellar--otherwise I would recommend that also. Wooledge is definitely quality. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Questions about working from home #OffTopic
This conversation was interesting enough to pull me out of lurker mode. I have worked at home off-and-on for 10 years. The last 4 years I have worked exclusively at home as a remote employee. Working remote all the time is much different from occasionally working remotely. Working remote a couple of days a week is an escape from office distractions, and one can then show the results when one is physically with the team. When working remote all of the time, one is at a real risk of dropping of team visibility which eventually leads to a perception that one isn't pulling enough weight. This must be proactively combated. Responses inline: On 12/19/2014 04:10 PM, Nicholas Stewart wrote: I apologize if I shouldn't send this email because it's not related to Linux. I know many of you have IT and software jobs and I'm wondering if you periodically work from home. If you do, how do you to stay in communication with members of your team and department? I use the communication method that my team wants me to. It varies from team to team, and person to person. The trick is that we deliberately discuss communication preferences (technology, work hours, frequency). Do you send an email in the morning about what you're going to work on? My current team asks me to send a daily email (I prefer the end of day). Are you expected to be available on IRC or some other chat platform? I maintain presence on various chat platforms all the time. If I am going to be away for more than a few minutes, I take my cell phone. My team is very flexible with when I work, so I am very flexible about answering questions outside of normal work hours. I use email a lot to discuss involved issues that require research and follow up. Do you phone in for standup or some scrum-like meeting? Our daily email is our scrum. On my last team it was a weekly report. Do you spend a lot of time on Skype? I am always available on Skype and Biba (annoying due to no Linux support). I regularly use Google Hangouts, BlueJeans, and Vidyo for voice + video + screenshare. I am also in IRC a lot. In short, how do you maintain the lines of communication while working from home? * I have regular 1 on 1 calls with various members of my team. I make sure that the person who measures my performance makes regular meetings with me a priority. I plan an agenda in advance, and make sure that he or she knows in detail what I have accomplished and what I am doing next. * I travel to meet my team for a few days every other month. I plan in advance so that I can spend time with the right people while I am at the office. I try to socialize in person as much as possible. * I work hard to meet new members of the team, and help them get oriented. I let them know that they can ask me any sort of question, and I will try to help them out. * I have to be very patient in my communications. People don't read their email, ignore Skype, forget what I told them, and assume the worst about what I was saying. I just have to repeat myself, kindly offer corrections, and follow up. And follow up. And repeat myself. * I spend a few minutes each call discussing non-work stuff and building friendships and relationships. I keep notes so that I can remember details about people. I take a sincere interest. Sometimes people think this wastes a little time, but when I explain that as a remote employee those are very productive conversations, they always seem to enjoy it. I am interested in hearing more thoughts. Richard /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Unix Beards
Yes, I know that I am late to the party. But it was such a great topic! On Monday, July 14, 2014 12:33:36 Richard Esplin wrote: > True Unix hackers know how to overcome the limits of measly genetics. > > http://lmgtfy.com/?q=beard+extensions > > Now, put the Internet back up in Big Ben where it belongs! > > Richard > > On Monday, July 07, 2014 17:25:39 Daniel C. wrote: > > Dear Elders of the Internet, > > > > It is my dream in life to one day be a Unix Guru. I have been working > > very > > hard on this dream job by locking myself in the basement with technical > > manuals and Red Bull, and refusing to have a single razor in the house. > > > > I've been at it for six months now and I can perform any of several tasks > > > > with my eyes closed, but my beard (while quite thick and curly) is still > > only a modest 2.75 inches long. It has remained at this length for the > > past month and a half. > > > > At this point I am beginning to fear that I will never have a true Unix > > Beard. May I still submit my application for Unix Guru, or will I forever > > be cursed to live as a low-level functionary? > > > > Sincerely, > > Daniel /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Unix Beards
True Unix hackers know how to overcome the limits of measly genetics. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=beard+extensions Now, put the Internet back up in Big Ben where it belongs! Richard On Monday, July 07, 2014 17:25:39 Daniel C. wrote: > Dear Elders of the Internet, > > It is my dream in life to one day be a Unix Guru. I have been working very > hard on this dream job by locking myself in the basement with technical > manuals and Red Bull, and refusing to have a single razor in the house. > I've been at it for six months now and I can perform any of several tasks > with my eyes closed, but my beard (while quite thick and curly) is still > only a modest 2.75 inches long. It has remained at this length for the > past month and a half. > > At this point I am beginning to fear that I will never have a true Unix > Beard. May I still submit my application for Unix Guru, or will I forever > be cursed to live as a low-level functionary? > > Sincerely, > Daniel /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: OS version of Exchange & Outlook
The magic phrase you should plug in to Google is "open source groupware". There are tons of projects in various states of disrepair. Good luck, Richard On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 06:49:30 plug.mailing-list wrote: > >Anyone got a good recommendation for an exchange SERVER replacement? :) > > I'm unclear at what you're trying to accomplish. Your first post to the > list made me think you want an open source alternative to Exchange, but > your responses seem to indicate you want an open source client to work with > an exchange server (with the exception of the line quoted above. > > If you want to replace Exchange, look at Zimbra Collaboration Server > (http://www.zimbra.com/products/zimbra-collaboration/zimbra-open-source.htm > l). If you want to interface with Exchange, Thunderbird with plugins may > work. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Mail server
Hashed passwords as part of IMAP and SMTP are legacy from when servers considered SSL / TLS too resource intensive to encrypt the entire connection. "plain password" means that the password is sent in plaintext over the existing connection. So if your connection is encrypted with SSL / TLS, you don't need to send hashed passwords. And your connection should be encrypted so that you don't reveal the mail contents. It has been a very long time since I set up postfix/dovecot. Dovecot was pretty easy. I just used the comments in the config. Postfix was more complex, but the project documentation was sufficient. Cheers, Richard On Saturday, May 10, 2014 16:27:56 Brian J. Rogers wrote: > I know this isn't exactly "linux" but I'm still hoping someone here might > know. > > When it comes to postfix/dovecot, how secure is plain password? I assume > from the name it means that it is just a plaintext password sent over the > wire. Is that really what it is? > > Does anyone know if a good tutorial that I can follow to setup a mail > server with postfix and dovecot that will cover SSL/TLS with encrypted > passwords? > > I need to setup a mail server but I'd like for it to relatively secure. > > Thanks. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: PHP Programming (was JOB: LAMP Artisan)
I think this is a great response, and I completely agree. PHP deserves a lot of credit for the historical development of languages targetted at web applicaiton development. PHP even deserves a lot of credit for trying to continue to evolve in order to bring modern functionality to its very large existing install base. PHP is good enough that if you have an existing application written in PHP, it is likely not worth the effort to migrate. And given the choice between a proprietary toolkit and PHP, I would pick PHP. The openness makes up for a lot of pain. I have met a couple of the leaders in the PHP and Drupal communities, and I am impressed at how nice they are and how creative they are at compensating for the shortcomings of their tools. My frustration is with the people who argue that a PHP framework should be adopted over better technologies for new projects. All those arguments seem to come down to a varient of "everyone uses it" and "it's not worth learning something else". And if I can avoid the pain of PHP, I certainly will. If you are a compenent PHP programmer, learning Python Django will be very easy. (I only pick that example because that is my personal experience.) Richard On Wednesday, March 05, 2014 21:56:19 Joshua Marsh wrote: > On Mar 5, 2014 7:26 PM, "Levi Pearson" wrote: > > Every language has some of these "misfeatures". PHP has far more than > > its share of them. > > It's hard to argue this point but I think people don't give PHP enough > credit. It's first incantation was just a couple of years after Mosaic was > released. Many of the web friendly languages today have PHP to thank for > paving the way (and highlighting the pot holes). > > Rasmus said himself while he was here that he was never a language expert, > he received his baptism by fire. He just had an idea to simplify web > development and the popularity of PHP at the time suggests that everyone > agreed despite its shortcomings. > > Would I suggest PHP for a new project? Not likely. Trying to compare PHP to > modern languages is like trying to compare COBOL to Go. They were born in > different eras to serve different purposes. It's hard for me to bag on > COBOL because of what it did for its time and the fact that it's still in > use today for niche purposes. I could have just as easily written a similar > rant as the blog post on the subject though. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: PHP Programming (was JOB: LAMP Artisan)
Rebuttle summary:
* Isn't this how every language does it?
-- Answer: No
* It's not the languages fault that people do it wrong!
-- Answer: Yes, it often is.
On Wednesday, March 05, 2014 14:57:30 Michael Torrie wrote:
> On 03/05/2014 02:24 PM, Doran L. Barton wrote:
> > On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 12:30:06 -0700
> >
> > Michael Torrie wrote:
> >> http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
> >
> > I used to work with Alex (Eevee). He's an incredibly smart guy and when he
> > first published this article, I found it incredibly well done.
>
> I just finished wasting a lot of time reading the so-called rebuttal on
> devshed. You're right that Eevee is a very smart and articulate fellow
> with a lot of experience in many languages to draw on. I found his
> comments quite insightful. I have my own biases, but I found
> ManianDan's arguments to be quite weak and more of an attack on Eevee
> ("you don't understand weakly-typed languages"). Came off as defending
> the indefensible. I don't think Eevee's goal was to beat ManiacDan into
> submission, or to get him to change languages, but to have an honest
> discussion about the problems with PHP, but I suspect that conversation
> is really impossible to have about any language in a public forum.
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Re: PHP Programming (was JOB: LAMP Artisan)
On Wednesday, March 05, 2014 13:18:47 keith smith wrote: > We better let WordPress, Drupal, Joomla, CodeIgniter, etc know there is > a problem. WOW!!! Yikes!! They already know they have a problem. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: JOB: LAMP Artisan
I hadn't seen that curated list of PHP modules. It's a handy resource. The only two frameworks I have heard of on that list are Symphony2 (decent, for PHP) and Zend2 (less pain than Zend 1). Do any of the others actually get any use? The bar for PHP web frameworks is pretty low, so how do these frameworks compare with frameworks from other languages? Thanks for the discussion, Richard On Friday, February 28, 2014 09:50:57 justin wrote: > ᐧ > > On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 9:42 AM, justin wrote: > > Check out Laravel 4, Symfony2, li3, Silex… Even Drupal 8 is headed toward > > modern PHP. I'm not saying it's there yet, but PHP is definitely making > > strides. > > See also: > > https://github.com/ziadoz/awesome-php > > --j /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: JOB: LAMP Artisan
Examples please? (I'm not trolling. I really want some examples.) I admit that I'm poisoned by spending too much time with Drupal 6, 7, and starting with 8. The most modern PHP framework I have played with is CodeIgniter, which is a huge step forward but not exactly there. Is there something better? Justin asked me for examples of what I consider to be a modern web framework. Examples that come to mind are: * Ruby on Rails * Python Django * Python Pyramid * Python Flask * Catalyst (Perl) Some of these I haven't played with much, but that is how I interpret the documentation and the Hello World example. Any Java framework like Spring or Wicket will seperate the web accessible elements from code within the WAR file. I believe that .NET makes the same seperation. I admit that I am hating on 10-year-old PHP, but that is because I haven't seen much evolution in that area. I haven't played with any of the Facebook improvements, so there is probably something modern out there. I would appreciate you bringing me up to date. I learned a ton about web development by moving from Drupal to Django. Spring has been very instructive as well. PHP frameworks seem to spend too much time blaming the developer and not enough time doing their job of making proper web development easier. Richard On Friday, February 28, 2014 09:06:37 justin wrote: > ᐧ > > On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Richard Esplin > > wrote: > > As you demonstrate, PHP does not have any popular web frameworks that have > > learned both of these basic lessons. And these are just two of the many > > bad > > practices that PHP encourages. > > It does. You're hating on 10-year-old PHP. > > --justin /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: JOB: LAMP Artisan
Your argument is a perfect illustration of why PHP is the problem. Modern web development frameworks do not allow code to be executed from the webroot. Modern web development frameworks make it easier to use sanitized inputs than raw inputs. As you demonstrate, PHP does not have any popular web frameworks that have learned both of these basic lessons. And these are just two of the many bad practices that PHP encourages. I use a web framework because I want to learn from a community that knows more about web development than I do. Otherwise I would write my own. Richard On Friday, February 28, 2014 07:14:39 keith smith wrote: > I'm curious about putting my PHP code outside of the webroot. Lets say you > do so. How do you run your code? Do you put an index in the docroot and > then what? Are you using a symlink? > > It sounds like you think this is the only way and to do otherwise is wrong. > Every app I am familiar with is in the webroot someplace. > > For example: > > WordPress > Joomla > Drupal > CodeIgniter > laravel > symfony > cakephp > ETC. > > I' ve only known of one person who put some of his code outside of the > webroot. > > I'm truly curious about your approach and you might be onto something. > However your approach is not mainstream - which does not invalidate it it > is just not mainstream. > > I would like to hear more. > > In a previous response I stated that one needs to do two thinks to minimize > the risk of being hacked. We are talking PHP here, I'm sure this approach > will work for other interpreted web languages as well. > > First create your app with one entry point, second block direct access to > all other files. > > This approach secures your code. The other thing is to sanitize your data. > The only way data can get in, when building your app this way, is via the > URL and forms. If you sanitize this data you should have a very secure web > app. > > If you look at CodeIgniter that is what they do. You enter the process > though the index file. All other files have a line at the top to verify > the code is being accessed by CodeIgniter not directly. > > One of the things we see with PHP is the use of library files that contain > queries that can be accessed directly. This approach leaves PHP vulnerable > to being exploited. I see this approach all the time. The reason most of > this code does not get exploited is no one knows enough to exploit it. > However using this approach in an open source project opens the door to > someone exploiting the code. > > I started out as an average PHP programmer and learned from available > tutorials. We have learned bad development techniques. I inherited some > old code that was based on an open source project and someone found it and > exploited it. I'm glad they did because it opened my eyes and was a great > learning experience. > > Another thing that helped me understand all of this was evaluating PHP > frameworks. I spent a lot of time doing so. I ended up spending a lot of > time looking at CodeIgniter. I actually got into the code. Was a great > learning experience that has shaped my views of how we should be developing > our apps. > > In my opinion it is the programmer that is the problem, not PHP. Someone > wrote that code can be seen if the server is configured incorrectly. That > is not PHP's issue, it is they sys admin's issue. > > And to take it further it is the PHP community that is the problem. For far > too long we have fostered bad development techniques. Look at all the > how-tos and PHP programming tutorials. Lots of bad stuff out there. > > We need to start learning and fostering a different mindset. We need to > start building apps using OOP and Model-View- controller. Apps that have > one entry point and all other files cannot be accessed directly. I would > suggest a framework, or rolling your own. I personally am in the process > of rolling my own. Interestingly I am finding that code built this way is > easier to maintain as well. > > > > Keith Smith /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Anyone here still read slashdot?
"Plenty of words" is pretty subjective. But if you re-read the discussion, you will find some concrete criticisms about how comments are handled. On Saturday, February 08, 2014 18:34:25 Levi Pearson wrote: > On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Richard Esplin > > wrote: > > Most designers currently believe two things: > > > > * No one reads > > * Words are bad > > Again, how is this relevant to the Slashdot redesign? It's now got a > reasonable amount of whitespace between lines and a somewhat larger > header font. It's less dense, but I think that's generally a good > thing for readability. There are still plenty of words on the pages. > > :P > > I have yet to see anyone on PLUG offer a reasonable critique of the > redesign. Just a lot of "I don't like it" and random rants about web > designers. It's fine to just not like it, but don't pretend that your > opinion is somehow the "right" one if you can't even articulate why > you don't like it. > > Anyway, the users of Slashdot have spoken, and apparently they don't > like it. Hopefully they'll end up fixing it so both the web designers > and the users are both happy. > > --Levi /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Yikes! Something strange in a cron job.
When you first posted, I vaguely remembered hitting this problem a couple of times before. But your latest post jogged my memory. Cron doesn't allow initialize any environment for the commands that it triggers.. When I want to run a command in a specific environment, I write a wrapper script to call the command. As a bonus, you can drop the script into the right cron.d directory for when you want it run, and not have to worry about editing crontab. The script will have the same permissions as crontab, so your DB credentials will have the same level of security. Cheers, Richard On Saturday, February 08, 2014 18:12:58 S. Dale Morrey wrote: > The only solution I was able to find that actually worked was specifying > the variables inside the script directly. > I do not like this option. Any user (authorized or not), would get the DB > credentials in plain text if they happened to run ps aux at the right > moment in time. :( > > On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 3:19 PM, S. Dale Morrey wrote: > > Hmm setting HOME explicitly now causes the command to fail even when > > logged in as root and running it directly... > > Curiouser and curiouser... > > > > On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 3:16 PM, S. Dale Morrey wrote: > >> Yeah it is wrapped up in a script already. But thanks, I'm setting the > >> HOME variable and seeing if that works. > >> > >> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Joshua Marsh wrote: > >>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 2:59 PM, S. Dale Morrey >>> > >>> >wrote: > >>> > This makes me wonder if I need to specify HOME as in "export > >>> > >>> HOME=/root" > >>> > >>> > I'm going to give that a shot and see if it solves the problem. > >>> > >>> It may depend on what version of cron you have installed. Here is what > >>> mine > >>> > >>> says about it: > >>>Several environment variables are set up automatically by the > >>> > >>> cron(8) daemon. SHELL is set > >>> > >>>to /bin/sh, and LOGNAME and HOME are set from the /etc/passwd > >>>line > >>> > >>> of the crontab's owner. > >>> > >>>PATH is set to "/usr/bin:/bin". HOME, SHELL, and PATH may be > >>> > >>> overridden by settings in the > >>> > >>>crontab; LOGNAME is the user that the job is running from, and > >>>may > >>> > >>> not be changed. > >>> > >>> When I had a problem like this before, the thing that fixed it for me > >>> was > >>> to wrap the command in a script. So, your cron entry might be: > >>> > >>> 0 1 * * * /bin/bash /root/backup_mysql.sh > >>> > >>> and then your script would simply be: > >>> > >>> #!/bin/bash > >>> mysqldump dbname > >>> > >>> I never figured out the actual problem, but I'm sure it was related to > >>> environmental variables like you suggest or perhaps the difference > >>> between > >>> /bin/sh and /bin/bash. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Anyone here still read slashdot?
On Friday, February 07, 2014 18:41:50 Daniel Fussell wrote: > I feel like everytime I turn around some poor, starving > liberal-arts-grad-turned-web-designer is convincing some upper-manager > that the present site interface is old and curmudgeonly in hopes of > scoring a few meals and a letter of reference using nothing but > photoshop and Drupal for Dummies. What follows usually resembles a > major train wreck. > > ;-Daniel Most designers currently believe two things: * No one reads * Words are bad The evidence suggests they are right most of the time. That means designers can unthinkingly apply those two principles to every project their entire career and be considered pretty successful. The unfortunately consequence is that websites become less and less useful over time. I weep a tear of sadness. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Hadoop experience?
Anyone in our community have experience with Hadoop, or have data science credentials and want to work on a Hadoop project? I have a friend looking for someone, and can connect him with you (or someone you know) who has an applicable background. Richard /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Ridding myself of root passwords?
This whole thread has been great. I have learned a lot. Thank you. On Thursday, February 06, 2014 17:23:08 Jima wrote: > On 2014-02-06 12:13, S. Dale Morrey wrote: > > A tool like SELinux really needs to be more intelligent. Adding a "study > > what this process does" mode and allowing it to learn the norms of the > > process would in my mind justify the hassle of going in and telling it > > "yeah sorry daemonX was supposed to be able to do that particular thing" > > on > > the rare occasion that a daemon does change behavior by design. > > OK, speaking very specifically about CentOS (and Fedora), here's a > quick "coping with SELinux" primer: > > # yum install policycoreutils-python > (do something that SELinux doesn't allow, actually can be done before > installing policycoreutils-python) > # audit2allow -M policy1 < /var/log/audit/audit.log > (following the instructions provided in audit2allow's output...) > # semodule -i policy1.pp > (now to flush the audit log out so your next invocation of audit2allow > won't try to combat what you've already permitted) > # mv /var/log/audit/audit.log && service auditd restart > (rinse/repeat with policy2, policy3, etc) > > Mind you, you wouldn't want to do that blindly (you can and should > read policy1.te before loading policy1.pp), but that's how to make > SELinux play nice with arbitrary software. policycoreutils-python also > includes audit2why, which attempts to explain why SELinux blocked a > particular action from happening. The key thing when allowing things > through SELinux's watchful gaze is to make sure that it's blocking your > actions and not someone else's. ;-) > > Jima /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Bob like interfaces?
The Sugar desktop from OneLaptopPerChild is targeted at similar use cases. On Thursday, February 06, 2014 10:10:00 S. Dale Morrey wrote: > Someone brought up MS Bob http://toastytech.com/guis/bob.html in a > discussion today. > It got me thinking, why hasn't this been implemented as a desktop for > Linux? It would be totally perfect for kids and the elderly. There may be > an example of this somewhere, but I've never seen it. Does anyone know of > a Bob like interface on top of *nix? > > Also am I the only one who thinks this would be the perfect interface for a > touchscreen or tablet? /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Anyone here still read slashdot?
I'm sad to admit that I browse slashdot far too much. Though I believe I have you (and a few others) to blame for my addiction. The beta annoys me because it doesn't show comments at all without javascript enabled, it loads really slow on mobile, and it is generally annoying. And the javascript pop-up ad I got yesterday about has me swearing never to go back. But then I got the shakes. I won't admit to being old, inflexible, or curmudgeonly, but I will admit to having been labeled that way in the recent past. Richard On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:21:25 Michael Torrie wrote: > Or am I the only one who still habitually wastes time with the > occasional slashdot addiction? If I had resgistered my username when I > first started reading slashdot my id would probably be 5 digits or less. > > If any of you still read slashdot, what do you think of the new beta? > Personally I dislike it mainly because I'm old, but partly because I'm > inflexible, but what do you web design gurus on this list think of it? > Is it truly as bad as most of the commenters and moderators seem to think? /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Seeking Digital Whiteboard App
I have a coworker who swears by Idea Flight, and Air Sketch looks similar (both in the itunes store). I have looked for something similar for Android, but haven't found anything. Richard On Monday, February 03, 2014 17:38:31 Jonathan Duncan wrote: > In my office we whiteboard, a lot. Whiteboarding is a great way to get > ideas out of our heads and communicate visually with others. Ideas often > translate better as pictures than they do as words. > > Some downsides of whiteboarding: there is not always a whiteboard around, > there is not always a whiteboard that is large enough to handle all the > ideas we want to put on it, taking a picture of the contents of a > whiteboard is handy but could be more efficient. > > As I was in another whiteboarding session today I thought it would be handy > to have a tablet on which I could draw ideas and the tablet could be > mirrored onto a large monitor or projector screen. It would be nice if > screen on the tablet would actually be only a portion of the larger > picture. I could zoom into a small area, draw or write details, zoom out > and draw bigger items, etc. All the while, my coworkers could see the big > picture on the large monitor. > > I am currently in the process of Googling and I see some apps that I am > researching. > > In the meantime, I am wondering if any pluggers have any app like this > (iPad or Andriod) can provide some feedback on what they liked or did not > like about such an app. > > Thanks, > Jonathan /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Ruby on Rails WAS Re: Job Market Awareness Check
Changing topics: What do you have against Ruby on Rails? I haven't done much with RoR, but it seems promising. My team is currently deciding between Django and Rails for our next project. I already understand Django, but what should I know about Rails? Thanks, Richard On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 23:33:07 Tod Hansmann wrote: > Oh, look. It's that time again where I get quite antsy about knowing > what's out there. Specifically I'm looking at dev jobs in the Utah > County, South Salt Lake, and Seattle, WA areas. These dev jobs should > have nothing to do with Ruby on Rails or PHP, and should not want to pay > peanuts for expertise, which is a not uncommon problem in the valley for > reasons I'm sure we could discuss if we had to again. > > What cool stuff is out there? Is anyone looking for that special dev > someone in their departmental life? I know how to keep a cubicle homey > and brighten up an office-mate's day. I enjoy many kinds of programming > from web application architecture (not frontend design) in django or > ASP.NET (MVC preferred), to rich client apps, mobile, test automation, > and even network programming. Basically anything that isn't a lot of > GUI pontification. I wouldn't even mind a job with some project > management requirements, as it's a thing I do. > > Is there a lonely dev team out there? A wonderful software group > looking to settle down and build great tech of our own? > > Tell us (or just me, I guess) what you know and maybe we can all make > awesome things! > > Cheers, > > -Tod Hansmann /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Provo Fiber is in the news.
I was very frustrated with the Lindon elections last fall. I attended the meet-the-candidates night, and they spoke a lot about Utopia. There were lots of comments about how to deal with the financial obligation, but not a single reference to the positive impact high speed fiber has had for our community. Lots of people think that selling the city to Google is just as good in the long term as owning our own infrastructure and having a real marketplace. My understanding is that other cities that are backing Utopia have also become hesitant to continue the investment enough to complete the build-out in their cities. Since when did Republicans decide that giving infrastructure to a private monopoly is unregulated capitalism? /me goes to bed before he continues his rant On Saturday, January 25, 2014 21:15:25 Jacob Albretsen wrote: > On Friday, January 24, 2014 07:45:29 PM Tod Hansmann wrote: > > On 1/24/2014 6:30 PM, S. Dale Morrey wrote: > > > I posted AC mentioning that > > > Google Fiber's got nothing on Utopia. :) Honestly much as I hate to > > > admit > > > it, the only thing I really miss about Utah is my Utopia connection. > > > > It's only good if you can get it. It's very limited because of the > > mismanagement and it irks me, as I limited my house search to cities > > that would be rolled out. Orem has not been treated well on that front. > > Utopia backbone is 150ish yards from my house and I can't get it. > > From what I've been able to gather, certain members of city councils have > also supposedly been a hindrance to forward momentum. As well as Comcast > and CenturyLink showing up to public meetings and telling people what they > "provide" is good enough. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: A simple tea timer for linux?
I think either kteatime or workrave would do the job. Isn't twitter the best platform to get the Interwebs to #lazysearch for you? Richard On Friday, January 24, 2014 23:27:42 S. Dale Morrey wrote: > Does anyone have any recommendations for a simple tea timer in Linux? > > I just need to be reminded about once an hour (while I'm awake and on the > computer), to get my fat butt up and stretch etc. > > I would prefer something that maybe pops a modal dialog and plays an alarm > until some big button (like a snooze bar) is pressed. Once the button is > pressed then it should start the timer all over again. > > I know I could whip something up in a couple of hours, but this seems to me > like a problem that's been solved already. > > Thanks! /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: QT-Creator thoughts?
Qt Designer can work with XML GUI descriptions, or Python. I like the Python because I can use the GUI to generate the basic functionality and then build it out directly in Python. Richard On Friday, January 24, 2014 21:43:59 Michael Torrie wrote: > On 01/24/2014 09:23 PM, Richard Esplin wrote: > > PyQt3 was much more Pythonic, and I like PySide even more. And the GUI > > code > > generated by Qt Designer was very impressive--easy to read and modify. I > > have never dealt with such clean generated code with any other tool. > > That's good. So you don't use the QUiLoader class? Seems to me that > parsing the ui file directly at runtime eliminates the need for all code > generators entirely (which have to be rewritten in every language!). /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: QT-Creator thoughts?
PyQt3 was much more Pythonic, and I like PySide even more. And the GUI code generated by Qt Designer was very impressive--easy to read and modify. I have never dealt with such clean generated code with any other tool. Richard On Friday, January 24, 2014 17:53:53 Michael Torrie wrote: > On 01/24/2014 04:14 PM, Nicholas Leippe wrote: > > I've done QT w/both C++ and python--but only using QT Designer. > > I must say, that QT with python is an amazing combination--even without a > > slick IDE the python bindings make it even easier than with C++. > > I haven't used PyQt for a while (or PySide for that matter). Are the > bindings more pythonic. It used to be they were really just C++ > transliterated into Python. Dave Smith used to say he preferred using > C++ with Qt because in Python he just felt like he was still using C++, > but with Python as the dialect. > > I have used Qt Designer for GUI design (loading the ui file directly > into my app) and it was pretty nice, though Glade-2 or Glade-3 were > about as capable as Qt Designer. > > One of the things I like about Gtk+ in Python is that the bindings feel > quite at home there. Native python data types are used wherever > possible, and the API felt Python native. > > Anyway. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: ZSH tab completion problem
My behavior is different. I suspect it's due to your configuration, and not a bug ZSH. You might get more help on Stack Overflow. I suspect that tab completion is handled by the lines that start zstyler ':completion:' I think my line that governs this behavior is this one: zstyle ':completion:*' completer _complete _ignored I can't really help more. A few years ago I tweaked zsh as little as possible, and haven't touched the configuration since. I don't understand most of the options. Good luck, Richard On Friday, January 24, 2014 11:13:23 Michael Torrie wrote: > On 01/24/2014 10:41 AM, Richard Esplin wrote: > > I had the same confusion, but I believe it is desired behavior. > > > > In zsh, the first time you tab it gives you the completion list. If you > > hold the tab, or tab again, it continues the completion with the first > > item from the list. > > > > It took me a long time to figure out that I had a propensity to hold down > > the tab key. > > Hmm. But the first tab doesn't give a list. It just fills in the > letters that it can. In my example, should it not just fill the > filename to "file1234" and stop? A second tab pulls up the list, and a > third tab lets me pick. How is putting in a . that only works with the > second filename anyway desired behavior? I think I might log an issue > with the zsh bug tracker and see their take on it. > > I do like how if there are files with identical parts but different in > the middle, zsh will fill it all in and then drop the cursor in the > middle section. Though I can see how fish's completion (somewhat more > like how GUI's do it) would be slick too. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: ZSH tab completion problem
I had the same confusion, but I believe it is desired behavior. In zsh, the first time you tab it gives you the completion list. If you hold the tab, or tab again, it continues the completion with the first item from the list. It took me a long time to figure out that I had a propensity to hold down the tab key. Richard On Thursday, January 23, 2014 21:20:17 Michael Torrie wrote: > Thanks to the encouragement of pluggers a few months back (or was it > years... can't remember) I've switched my main shell to zsh and for the > most part I like it. I run a few things from ohmyzsh which might be > part of the problem. The problem I'm seeing is tab-completion behavior > when two file names share parts that are the same. For example, I have > two files: > > $ ls > file1234ab.txt > file1234.pdf > > Now if I type "cat file" and hit tab, it shows this: > $ cat file1234. > > I would expect: > $ cat file1234 > > This happens frequently with different filenames, such as similarly > named mp4 files of a TV series. It's very annoying as well. It's > probably an old version of zsh 4.3.10. Maybe I'll compile a newer > version (or move to a new distro). > > Can anyone replicate this issue? /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Print to Digital conversions
The tool I use is gscan2pdf http://freecode.com/projects/gscan2pdf Open source ORC is not very good though. Richard On Thursday, January 23, 2014 14:46:26 Dan Egli wrote: > I was letting my mind wander last night, and I got to thinking about all > these older magazines that I have stashed in various places. I kept them > because they had interesting articles and the like. I was wondering if > there was an easy way to convert them into a digital format, so I can > recycle the dead trees. It's not just the idea of capturing the text and > OCRing it, though. Many have pictures that are a vital part of the article. > My first thought was to write a PDF, but I don't see an easy way to do > that. All I can think of on that is to scan each page into an image file > (jpeg or similar), then import them into a LibreOffice document, then save > that document in PDF format. I imagine that would work, but it would also > kill text searching, I'd think. I suppose I could scan the images in, then > scan the text in, OCR it, and then re-format it for the PDF, but that seems > like a LOT of work. Especially as I think I have over 50 old issues of > various magazines lying around in storage that I'd like to convert. > > > > Does anyone know of any easy methods for converting articles on paper, with > images, into something digitally readable? I don't care if it's PDF or ePub > or something else, as long as it looks decent on the computer screen, and I > can search text within the article. > > > > Thanks folks! > > --- Dan > > > P.S. No, none of these magazines maintain electronic copies online that I'm > aware of. I know Maximum PC and PC Gamer do, but others do not. Some are > even discontinued, like a few old copies of PC Magazine. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Orgcoin, a new open source project to pay it forward!
Your Google-foo is stronger than mine! On Sunday, January 19, 2014 09:02:50 Corey Edwards wrote: > On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Richard Esplin > > wrote: > > I can't find the other episode. I think it was one from NPR's Planet > > Money. But it describes how each shop owner had to have a book of > > currencies with exchange rates that was updated regularly. The further > > you got from your town, the less your bank note was worth. It provided a > > lot of friction in transactions and sounded like a huge pain. > > I believe this is the droid you're looking for. > > http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/12/07/166747693/episode-421-the-birth-of > -the-dollar-bill > > Corey /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Orgcoin, a new open source project to pay it forward!
Recently I have listened to a few podcasts about how currency worked in the 1800's, but I couldn't find them in the few minutes I looked before sending my earlier email. I got interested in 19th century currency as context for the Kirtland Safety Society Anti-Bank, but that context is far richer than Mormon history. Here is one example episode that contrasts bank issued currency (their term) with counterfeits, and concludes that the only difference between them is who goes to jail when the note cannot be redeemed. http://backstoryradio.org/shows/bridge-for-sale-deception-in-america/ The segment is Mo' Money, Mo' Problems. (BackStory is a great podcast, BTW.) I can't find the other episode. I think it was one from NPR's Planet Money. But it describes how each shop owner had to have a book of currencies with exchange rates that was updated regularly. The further you got from your town, the less your bank note was worth. It provided a lot of friction in transactions and sounded like a huge pain. I find crypto currencies to be fascinating, and I see the value in a digital form of cash (i.e. no corporate fees and increased privacy). However, I think a lot of the "market of currencies" sales pitch that accompanies these innovations ignores the previous experience in America and other countries with multiple simultaneously accepted currencies. Richard On Saturday, January 18, 2014 16:30:48 Michael Torrie wrote: > On 01/18/2014 01:33 PM, Richard Esplin wrote: > > This was how money worked in the United states until the end of the 19th > > century. No clear market winner emerged. It was a mess. > > I assume you were referring to the situation where banks issued bank > notes and many banks crashed in the early 1840s, including the Kirtland > Saftey Society. We might want to distinguish between currency (the US > dollar) and the bank notes. The bank notes weren't currency. My > understanding is that they were promisary notes that the bank would pay > real USD to someone who wanted to cash them in. Banks issued far more > bank notes than they had assets to cover, and when people demanded their > money, the banks collapsed. It's true the bank notes were used as > money, but my understanding is they weren't currencies. They were all > USD for one. Also their value didn't fluctuate as a commodity compared > to the USD, though I'm sure in communities where bank notes were used > that prices of goods went up and down depending on the perception of a > particular bank's position and whether or not they'd make good on their > promises. > On Saturday, January 18, 2014 00:13:18 Andy Bradford wrote: > > > > As long as there is no grant of monopoly by a State, will not the market > > produce a money that is economically superior (e.g. higher quality at > > non-monopoly prices)? Or do you believe that a monopoly in the > > production of money does not follow the same economic logic that says > > that relative to markets in which open competition exists, monopoly in > > markets produces a poorer quality good at higher prices? > > > > I can imagine a large number of money making entrepreneurs entering the > > market, and many of them failing. It's also entirely possible, and > > likely, that market participants will eventually settle on just one > > or even two monies that are the so-called ``universally accepted'' > > currencies. How can we know if monies are not allowed to compete? I > > don't consider the EUR and the USD to be an example of competition in > > this case, at least not for the majority of market participants (perhaps > > for well connected bankers, but they are part of the banking cartel). > > > > Andy /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Orgcoin, a new open source project to pay it forward!
This was how money worked in the United states until the end of the 19th century. No clear market winner emerged. It was a mess. On Saturday, January 18, 2014 00:13:18 Andy Bradford wrote: > As long as there is no grant of monopoly by a State, will not the market > produce a money that is economically superior (e.g. higher quality at > non-monopoly prices)? Or do you believe that a monopoly in the > production of money does not follow the same economic logic that says > that relative to markets in which open competition exists, monopoly in > markets produces a poorer quality good at higher prices? > > I can imagine a large number of money making entrepreneurs entering the > market, and many of them failing. It's also entirely possible, and > likely, that market participants will eventually settle on just one > or even two monies that are the so-called ``universally accepted'' > currencies. How can we know if monies are not allowed to compete? I > don't consider the EUR and the USD to be an example of competition in > this case, at least not for the majority of market participants (perhaps > for well connected bankers, but they are part of the banking cartel). > > Andy /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
[JOB] Web developer needed
Our IT team recently lost a Drupal web developer, and needs someone who can help maintain those sites. They have been looking for someone that can regularly go into the office (United Kingdom) and haven't had much luck finding the right person. Today the hiring manager said he would consider a remote position. Overlapping with the UK team means an early start every morning. The contractor is to help maintain our existing systems, but the hope is that we find someone who can join our team permanently. We want this person to help us determine our technology road map. We haven't been as happy with Drupal as we had hoped, and given the effort involved with a transition to Drupal 8, we are considering building new sites in another framework. I have been pushing Django, and hope this person can help me establish the skillset necessary for our team to be successful there. The systems are all Linux, and we are very open source friendly. It is a global team, with lots of opportunities to interact with people from different backgrounds. This is an informal job posting to see if I can recommend anyone. If you know of someone who would be a good fit, email me off list and we can discuss. If it sounds like the right thing, I'll recommend you directly to the hiring manager and help facilitate a formal application. Richard /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: apt-get vs aptitude, resolving dependencies
I have noticed the same thing. I very much prefer aptitude; I find the distinction between apt-cache, apt-get, and apt-mark to be terrible. But aptitude doesn't seem to get the same amount of developer attention as apt-get. A few years ago aptitude was a bit ahead of apt-get in capability. I thought there was an initiative to make aptitude and apt-get use the same libraries for dependency management, but instead apt-get improved and aptitude stagnated. I think aptitude is dying, and it makes me sad. Richard On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 15:45:21 Michael Torrie wrote: > If any Debian experts could give some some advice I'd appreciate it. My > question is, am I using aptitude wrong? What should I do differently? > > My debian laptop is a bit behind on updates at the moment, but I want to > install certain packages should bring in dependent updates. I'll run the > rest of the updates later. I tried to use aptitude to bring in a > package called clearlooks-phenix-theme (a GTK3 that fits better with my > Mate GTK2 theme). Aptitude reported that there were unmet dependencies, > which isn't surprising as there are some major gnome updates waiting to > be installed and GTK3 got bumped a revision. However rather than > resolving the dependencies and discovering that dependent packages > needed to be updated, the only solution aptitude could offer involved > removing nearly 100 packages including GTK+ 2 and GTK+ 3! If I had > naively allowed aptitude to continue I'd be left with a completely > broken system. None of aptitude's other solutions involved anything > other than removing lots of packages either. > > When I went back to using apt-get, I was not surprised to see that it > resolved dependencies simply by upgrading a half dozen packages along > with the new package install and everything is happy. > > Needless to say this experience has not impressed me with aptitude's > lack of super cow powers. Seems like a dangerous tool, if the end user > naively clicked "yes" to aptitude's suggestions. Am I using aptitude > wrong? Or is apt-get still the only game in town? > > thanks, > Michael /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Thoughts on OpenShift?
Last summer I did a hobby project on OpenShift. I really like the platform, but left with the following lessons: * OpenShift is a neutered Git repo, so deployment to OpenShift is a git push. This has a number of ramifications: you have to understand git's arcane syntax for simple stuff, you have to commit a change to get anything to update on the server, code on the server is ephemeral so the results of debugging have to be copied off the server to be checked in, initial deployment is cumbersome, etc. * The development workflow with OpenShift took some getting used to. The deployment process is all through git. I moved an existing repo to OpenShift, so the initial push to took a fork on Github, a merge with my repo, and another merge with OpenShift. Then I can push to either my Github repo or my OpenShift repo. * OpenShift is a fast moving platform. Last summer I found a lot of rough edges, strange bugs, and out-of-date documentation. Things change like what version of Django works with what version of Python and PostgreSQL. Some of the problems I found last summer appear to have been fixed. However, something appears to have changed and broken my app. I couldn't get it working again after thirty minutes of poking around. * Last Summer there were strange limitations like you have to declare your application to be scale-able when you first initialize the cartridges (though you can cap how it scales). When we decided we wanted to start scaling, I had to destroy and re-create the application from scratch. (At least I had good instructions the second time.) * We ran three separate accounts with copies of our repository: one for development, one for testing, and one for production. Each account had three gears: one for Python Django + HAProxy, one for the database, and one for Python Django at scale. Staging and production on OpenShift work well, except you should be aware that HAProxy eats all the errors so we had to disable it to debug. The advantage is that on the production server we can remove the scalability limits with a paid account and still have everything working in the same way. * I thought OpenShift would let me get out of setting up a local dev environment, but doing actual development on OpenShift is annoying. The deployment process is too slow, getting access to the logs is not great, and having to do everything through git makes it hard to experiment. * It took me a long time to figure out and understand how the service is structured. However, once I understood it I really liked it. Having the source available on Github is awesome. There is very little coupling between my code and the OpenShift environment, so my code is very portable and no lock-in. My code can detect if it is on my local environment, staging, or production, and adapt accordingly. * Compared to Google AppEngine and Amazon Elastic Beanstalk, I found OpenShift to be much closer to a normal Linux development environment. The fact that I can inspect the entire service helped me a lot. I loved not having to use all the crazy libraries that Google and Amazon require. I think a lot of my complaints would apply to any PaaS; hosting an application on a third-party platform means giving up some flexibility and control. It looks like OpenShift has already addressed some of my other concerns. I really like OpenShift and hope to use it for my next project. I hope it continues to mature in capability and stability, and I hope it gets a lot of adoption. As a side note, I spent way too long developing on Drupal, and I would not recommend it to others. If you are interested in my reasoning, I put a rant up on my blog (http://richard.esplins.org/siwi/70/ ). Cheers, Richard On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 19:27:29 S. Dale Morrey wrote: > Ok so this is not intended as flamebait or a troll or anything. > But earlier I mentioned my site running on Drupal is basically falling down > under it's own weight. > > I have an extremely limited budget upfront. I'm open to completely > dropping Drupal at this point and exploring other options. > > One of the options I'm looking at is KeystoneJs. It looks really nice, and > I figure if I go with with it, I may as well go whole hog and move > providers as well. > > Keystone requires nodejs & mongo. For obvious reasons I would greatly > prefer to have a development environment and a production environment. > Since Redshift offers 3 servers I can see myself setting it up as > "development 1 box all inclusive", "production 2 boxes, 1 would be node and > 1 would be mongo". > > I know we have someone from OpenShift on the list, so I figured I would ask > if that is feasible. Also is there any way to spin up additional instances > based on load similar to AWS's AutoScale feature. > > For the rest of the list, does structuring my environment this way make > sense? Or would it be better to have the development box talking to the > production DB? > Also has
Re: Unity? (was: What's your favorite distro, and why?)
I agree with your analysis, but I don't think your tone does justice to the frustration with Ubuntu. It's the mismatch in expectations between those who wanted to use Ubuntu Linux, and Canonical's wish to have their own OS built on a Linux base. Most adopters of Ubuntu who hang out on Linux lists were looking for a convenient and polished Linux desktop environment, not a desktop environment _based_ on Linux. It makes me nervous to see Ubuntu diverge from the rest of the Linux desktop community because it means that staying on Ubuntu will limit my customization options. Further, Ubuntu is big enough that the resulting fragmentation is likely to hinder the future of Linux desktop environments for the rest of the community. I agree that it is Canonical's right to make such a transition, but I find it unfortunate. After spending years as a happy Ubuntu user, such concerns recently led me to switch from Ubuntu to Linux Mint Debian Edition, to Debian, and finally to Fedora. I still have my family using Ubuntu and my servers are still Debian. Fedora has been okay, but I have to admit that Ubuntu is far more polished. But I couldn't handle doing things strictly the Ubuntu way. If I was willing to trade flexibility for polish, I would be using a Mac. Richard On Friday, December 13, 2013 09:36:35 Michael Torrie wrote: > On 12/13/2013 03:07 AM, Dan Egli wrote: > > On December 11, 2013, Michael Torrie wrote: > >> This is further evidenced by Ubuntu dropping all branding references to > >> Linux. They want Ubuntu to be Ubuntu, not Ubuntu Linux. > > > > Then they should write their own kernel and boot loaders (or at least > > their > > own grub modules), and compile the gnu utilities & libraries for their own > > kernel. Don't claim your work isn't Linux when you still use the Linux > > kernel, still use Linux grub, and still use glibc and the other gnu > > utilities all compiled for the Linux kernel. > > There's no legal obligation to do so though, provided they honor the > terms of the licenses of the source code they are distributing. > Likewise although most Linux distributions use GNU's core system > software to do a lot of heavy lifting, only a few call themselves > GNU/Linux. Red Hat certainly doesn't; nor does Mint or SuSE. Granted > there are distros that don't use GNU software at all, but use uLibc and > busybox instead. > > Google does the same thing as Ubuntu with Android. A lot of us geeks > get excited that millions of people are now running Linux on their > phones, and Google even tells the geeks it runs linux under the hood, > but consumers cetainly don't know and don't care. It's "Android." Not > "Android Linux." And the Linux part is irrelevant, really. The apps > people want to run are Android apps, not Linux apps. Android could have > been based on any operating system kernel, such as QNX, or even MS > Windows, and indeed there are implementations of the Android platform on > both of those: Blackberry 10, Bluestacks, and probably others. > > Even Gnome has set out to become its own OS (google for Gnome OS) brand > even as it becomes a project tied tightly to the Linux kernel. > > I may not agree with the Gnome team in any way, but I do see more and > more that the operating system itself is irrelevant to most people and > most tasks. It's just a small part of the platform and services that > people really care about. As previously mentioned, Android isn't an OS > so much as a ubiquitous platform. Also the cloud is the platform for > other segments of the market. And MS Office is the platform for another > huge segment, and MS vainly tries to keep it tied to Windows to keep the > OS relevant. But its not. http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Hosting
I believe most analysts consider the storage tier part of "Infrastructure" in IaaS. Same goes for virtual network appliances. On Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:21:16 Grant Shipley wrote: > I would actually lump S3 and Glacier under SaaS. Its a service thats > provided for you with software on the backend to manage it all. All S3 and > Glacier really are is a set of up API(s) you can use to access the service. > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:14 AM, S. Dale Morrey wrote: > > Don't forget Storage as a Service, S3 & Glacier for example. That doesn't > > really fall under your categories as far as I can tell. > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Grant Shipley > > > > wrote: > > > Let's clear up what cloud actually means then. There are three types of > > > cloud computing: > > > > > > IaaS - Infrastructure as a service > > > PaaS - Platform as a service > > > SaaS - Software as a Service /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Hosting
I completely agree with your analysis, but want to add one point. One of the reasons why IaaS is easier to adopt than PaaS is that the vendor lock-in is lower. Porting a virtual machine between providers is not an easy problem, but is well understood. PaaS lock-in is much greater, as most PaaS providers force your application to use their APIs. This is one of the huge benefits of OpenShift. It's the first PaaS I feel comfortable using. But it is not as mature as the other offerings so I am nervous about using it for critical applications. Richard On Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:08:29 Grant Shipley wrote: > The adoption rate among these three cloud technologies are as follows: > SaaS - Huge adoption. This was a buzz word 8 years ago and we really don't > hear much about it anymore because its widely accepted and in use by 99% of > all corporations today. > > IaaS - medium adoption. People still have concerns about moving their > workloads to a public cloud provider (ec2) but a lot of people are making > this move. When I talk about cloud computing to companies, one of the > first things I hear is -- we can't put our users email address and data in > a public cloud. Our data is so important we need a 5 million dollar oracle > RAC server behind 15 firewalls. I think ask them what they use for sales > automation tools. They proudly respond with Salesforce.com. Face -> Palm. > People don't realize that they are storing much more than users data in > the public cloud today. With SF.com they are storing all of their > financials and forecasts. Having access to someone sf.com environment is > more damning that having access to their internal oracle db. > > PaaS - low adoption. This is the new kid on the block. I fully expect > this to be mainstream and every developer will be using a PaaS in 3-5 years > as they see the benefits for development. The tidal wave is coming. It's > best for us developers to go ahead and get familiar with it because it is > coming! /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Wireless LAN bridge
Checkout the Easy Tomato and the Asus RT N16. I don't have the link handy (on a plane), but my browser history has a link to the blog article I wrote about it: https://richard.esplins.org/siwi/2013/01/25/easy-tomato-and-asus-rt-n16/ But I will echo Michael. I ran a 400 ft wireless G connection between my house and a neighbor's. It worked for browsing, but couldn't handle streaming video or phone calls. Speed was fine, but it was jittery and had a lot of loss. That was done with line-of-site and directional antennas. Good luck, Richard On Sunday, October 27, 2013 16:55:07 Tod Hansmann wrote: > Pluggers, > > I live close enough to my parents that we have had a 180 foot cable > between our houses, run through our backyards and over a mutual > neighbour's fence. This fence was recently replaced, which is having an > affect on our cable. We might just rerun it with a different path in > mind, but we always revisit the ides of wireless LAN. It just needs to > be an ethernet connection between the two houses (or at least we're > hoping to not switch subnets out). > > We do some large file transfers (we back up to each others' houses > daily, for instance) and our internet connections are failover for the > other. So speed is important, and we don't have $1 million budgets, so > some prudence in price is in order. Aside from that, we have line of > site and can go N speeds if needs be. Does anyone have a better > option? Perhaps some optical beam tech out there that you've played > with? Any interesting thoughts on the subject are welcome. > > Cheers, > > -Tod Hansmann /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: No Sllug?
My message didn't go through, the bounce was just slow in coming back. On Thursday August 29 2013 17:04:48 Richard Esplin wrote: > The web site has long been stale, but the list still saw regular traffic > including planning for occasional meetings. The last message I got on that > list was August 4. > > My message to sllug-memb...@sllug.org appeared to go through. Maybe someone > will see it and fix the site. > > Richard > > > On Thursday August 29 2013 06:15:45 Dan Egli wrote: > > I decided today to look up the old SLLUG list and see what was up with > > them, when imagine my surprise when I was unable to FIND the sllug.org web > > site. Anyone know what happened? Did Sllug fold or did my DNS hiccup or > > something? I'd be curious. > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > --- Dan > /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: No Sllug?
The web site has long been stale, but the list still saw regular traffic including planning for occasional meetings. The last message I got on that list was August 4. My message to sllug-memb...@sllug.org appeared to go through. Maybe someone will see it and fix the site. Richard On Thursday August 29 2013 06:15:45 Dan Egli wrote: > I decided today to look up the old SLLUG list and see what was up with > them, when imagine my surprise when I was unable to FIND the sllug.org web > site. Anyone know what happened? Did Sllug fold or did my DNS hiccup or > something? I'd be curious. > > > > Thanks! > > > --- Dan /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Need a small form factor x86 box to be a firewall/router/dg
I needed three ports, so I cut down the bracket on a PCIe card to fit my low-profile box, and I used a USB ethernet device. Both worked. Richard On Thursday August 8 2013 17:16:48 Levi Pearson wrote: > Of course, they don't have 2 LAN ports... you could use a mini-PCIe > card (although the actual RJ45 jack bracket would have to sit loose > outside it), a USB adapter, or with one of the Thunderbolt-equipped > versions a Thunderbolt-to-Ethernet adapter. Other than that little > downside, they're great. ;) /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Git help
I recently had to merge two git repositories in such a way that I preserved all the history. = first repository for merging, pulled from a remote master = second repository to merge, pulled from a remote master = new remote master to receive both histories # Add the new remote master to the repository >From within a local git clone of git remote rename origin first_git git remote add master_git https:// git fetch master_git git merge master_git/master git status ## Edit, fix files, and test git commit git push master_git # Merge in from the second old remote git remote add second_git https:// git fetch second_git git merge second_git/master ## Edit, fix files, and test git commit git push master_git git branch --set-upstream master remotes/master_git/master You probably can't use exactly this recipe, but hopefully the steps help you follow how to get the job done. Richard On Monday July 29 2013 13:36:50 Nathan England wrote: > > Hello! > > A consultant and I have been working on a code base together using github for > some time. We realized about a month ago that several files contained > extremely sensitive data and it was not wise to keep it on github. So I > deleted the github account and all the data with it. > > We now have to mildly differing code bases. > > I need to create a new git repository, which I have created on a server we > both have access to. Now the trick is to merge our two code bases and create > an initial commit. > > I would like your opinions or advice on the best way to merge these and > create > a new repo. I'm seriously new to git and not sure if I could just setup my > code and then create a new branch, delete everything in it and copy his data > in, then merge it to my master? How should I do this? > > Thanks! /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Most Used Commands
Great idea! I was looking at mine and realized that it is dominated by whichever project I am currently working on. So I checked a backup file from during my last project. Right now it is a lot of hg, virtualenv, python3, sofffice, freeseer, mplayer, and xpdf. Previously there was a lot of git, drush, and sudo service. Excluding those, but including sudo commands: 207 ls 143 vim 133 cd 48 aptitude 35 mv 30 rm 18 cp 15 grep 9 ssh 8 mkdir As root: 178 aptitude 178 ls 126 cd 52 mount 48 dpkg 47 vim 35 rm 30 iptables 22 nmap 22 ifconfig I'm not sure how far back these files go. Richard On Tuesday June 25 2013 17:15:01 "Ryan Simpkins" wrote: > I am installing a new system. I wanted to know which commands I use most > frequently on my older systems so I could be sure they were added to the new > box. I chose a VM I am often on and analyzed my bash history. The results, > quite frankly, surprised me. Taking in to account the last 6000 commands run: > * I have ran 67 uniq commands as my regular user > * I have ran 90 uniq commands as root. > > Below are the top ten commands I've used: > # Regular User > 311 ssh > 100 less > 69 ls > 64 screen > 59 ping > 58 su > 50 whois > 48 vim > 48 dig > 29 cd > > # Root > 248 ls > 148 salt > 103 cd > 95 vim > 53 service > 37 tail > 39 cat > 38 yum > 35 git > 28 rm > > > This got me thinking. How does this list compare to the top commands used by > other PLUGers? If you are trying to figure out what skills to add to your > ninja belt, what can your command history teach you? One thing I've learned is > that I should probably study up on the options to 'ls' ;-) > > -Ryan /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Defining Terrorism
"I'm beginning to wonder whose side you are on!" Ending your post like that made your whole rant sound like a Jon Stewart monolog making fun of conservative talk radio. I don't know whose side you are on, but I voted for Kodos. If we are going to discuss terrorism, can we discuss the real kind? Here are some great examples: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/04/sixth_movie-plo.html Richard On Tuesday June 25 2013 13:32:44 Nathan England wrote: > On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 03:24:33 PM Daniel C. wrote: > > I don't disagree with you. But in the real world, terrorism is not defined as > "death by explosion" > at the least convenient time. Terrorism is defined as someone who incites > terror. > > Plenty of government agencies and political groups use fear to coerce people > to do what they > want, how is that not terrorism? You scare the crap out of people so they > fear for their own lives. > > Personally, I like your definition. Unfortunately, that is not how the > dictionary characterizes it. I > am not watering it down by including political groups, the government did > when they began > labelling me because I cary a bible with me and my wife and girls dress like > women instead of > two bit whores. > > Oh, I also carry a pocket constitution with me. > > It's okay to label me as a terrorist, so long as I don't say the government > is involved also? I'm > beginning to wonder whose side you are on! /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Times to move to Linux
The NSA doesn't need MS to install a special key to have backdoor access to every windows computer. They just use the same access that teenage script kiddies have been using for decades. Richard On Monday June 24 2013 18:04:11 keith smith wrote: > > I think it is time to move everything to Linux. According to this article > the NSA has had a backdoor to Windows since 95. > http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/nsa-has-total-access-via-microsoft-windows/ > > I seem to recall Ubuntu some backdoor also. > > > > > > Keith Smith /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Discount code for OSCON?
I know that PLUG has participated in the O'Reilly user group program in the past. Are we eligible for a discount code to OSCON? Thank you, Richard /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: PHP/HTTP/HTML Question
CMIS is not very difficult to pick up. It provides a REST interface, but most people access it through a client library in their language of choice. The main place to get more information is the Apache Chemistry project: https://chemistry.apache.org/ Alfresco is an open source enterprise content management system. You can download community edition here: http://www.alfresco.com/products/community Alfresco is not a web content management system. You run it behind the web tier, and interact with it through CMIS, through the Alfresco REST API, or through the Alfresco publishing system. The documentation is here: http://docs.alfresco.com/4.2/index.jsp Answering questions about Alfresco is my day job, so don't be shy about asking. This blog post I wrote today might also help: http://richard.esplins.org/siwi/64 Richard On Monday May 27 2013 02:59:29 Dan Egli wrote: > As to the suggestion that the guy I'm designing this for store all the > files on his file system (and they're not just small image files, but large > video files and even binary programs as well) that was my first suggestion. > He has said that he is paranoid about people being able to gain access to > the content from outside the web page. When I asked him to clarify he said > that he wants to ensure that even if someone somehow was able to gain root > access through an exploit (buffer overrun, etc) that all the hacker > would see is the web pages themselves. He is trying to make unauthorized > access to the files as difficult as possible by adding an additional layer > that the potential hacker would need to go through (in this case, the > Postgres engine). I'm sure there are easier/better ways of accomplishing > that, but I'll admit I drew a blank on what they were. Perhaps you guys > have suggestions? > > As to getting a content management system and querying with CIMS (or was it > CMIS?) I have no experience with doing such, so that would be a REAL > learning curve. Not that it doesn't intrigue me. But the few content > management systems I've seen are commercial products. I doubt I could > convince him to spend the money on such a setup. Now if there's an open > source content management system that is real good, then by all means, send > me URLS for reading it's manual or something. I'm quite curious. Just > because I have no experience in it presently doesn't mean I'm not > interested in gaining experience in it. :) > > > > I really appreciate all the help on this one guys! Thanks tons! /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: PHP/HTTP/HTML Question
If you are dealing with more than a handful of binary files, then you should get a real content repository and query it with CMIS. You get the advantages of a filesystem and a database, though there is a learning curve. Richard On Friday May 24 2013 12:28:21 justin wrote: > On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 10:02 AM, David Landry wrote: > > > On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Jonathan Duncan < > > jonat...@bluesunhosting.com> wrote: > > > > > > If this was my client I would push back on this request until I knew and > > > understood the full reasoning behind it. And even then I would strongly > > > advise against it. But that is just me. The client probably does not > > > understand what he is requesting. > > > > > > > DItto. > > > > I worked on a site that stored some of it's images in the database (MySQL), > > and the pages that displayed those images were ridiculously slow to load. > > > > > Part of the problem there could be the choice of database :) > > Something like MongoDB's GridFS or Riak CS might be a much better bet if > storing in the database is an absolute necessity. > > --justin /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Unable to use oauth as a normal user
Thank you for the idea. IPv6 was not the problem. It turned out to be a bug in one of Debian Wheezy's python libraries, though I'm not clear on which one. Rolling back to python 2.6 (from 2.7) made the problem go away. Everything worked in python 2.7 when I pulled all my dependencies from pip in a virtualenv instead of installing them through Debian. I should have tried that earlier. Thanks Justin for the link to foauth. I hope Mozilla Persona takes off. Thank you! Richard On Friday May 3 2013 10:11:08 "Andy Bradford" wrote: > Thus said Richard Esplin on Fri, 03 May 2013 09:54:07 -0600: > > > Pinging localhost works fine. I'll have to look into IPv6 stuff. > > Interesting idea. > > Right, I didn't mean so much for you to discover that it was actually > pingable, but rather, that when you ping it, it returned what you > expected (i.e. an IPv4 address vs IPv6 address). > > So, what did it return? 127.0.0.1 or ::1? > > Andy /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Unable to use oauth as a normal user
Thanks for the suggestion Andy. Pinging localhost works fine. I'll have to look into IPv6 stuff. Interesting idea. Thanks, Richard On Thursday May 2 2013 23:44:40 "Andy Bradford" wrote: > Thus said Richard Esplin on Thu, 02 May 2013 23:17:40 -0600: > > > My callback URL is currently http://localhost:8080. > > What if you ping localhost? > > Perhaps it has something to do with IPv6? > > Andy > /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Unable to use oauth as a normal user
I am hoping that some kind soul on this list can help me out. I am struggling with creating an oauth2 connection using Google's oauth2client library for Python. Oauth requires the client application to open a local webserver listening at a callback URL in order to receive the access token in a GET request My callback URL is currently http://localhost:8080. Whenever I run it, I get an error about "Interrupted system call" from SocketServer.py. Traceback (most recent call last): File "./repository_info.py", line 19, in credentials = run(flow, storage, http=http) File "/home/richard/examples/oauth2client/util.py", line 128, in positional_wrapper return wrapped(*args, **kwargs) File "/home/richard/examples/oauth2client/tools.py", line 185, in run httpd.handle_request() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/SocketServer.py", line 265, in handle_request fd_sets = select.select([self], [], [], timeout) select.error: (4, 'Interrupted system call') However, it runs fine when run as root using sudo. Anyone have any idea why I can't open that port as a regular user? My environment: * Debian Mint Wheezy * Python 2.7 * oauth2client 1.1 What I have tried: * I am not running SELINUX or apparmor * netstat says nothing else is running on that port * I am not running inetd/xinetd * I have verified that iptables accepts all INPUT and FORWARD connections Any ideas? Thanks, Richard /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: OT: Website Needs
Alfresco Web Quick Start can take the documents, convert them to HTML, and post them in a folder with a search interface. He can continue to maintain the documents in Word, and it will keep the HTML transforms up-to-date. This type of solution takes some work to setup, but once it is there it is nice to use. Richard On Friday April 26 2013 16:00:06 Nathan England wrote: > > I have a friend who writes articles and has several hundred word documents > that he > has accumulated over the years. He wants to put the articles on a website > where > others can easily download them. > > Naturally I would like to be able to search the documents, but he doesn't > care > about that. He wants them listed in categories or folders and easy to > navigate. > > Short of a regular page with a link to a php directory listing of his > folders and files, > can you offer any suggestions? > > Thanks so much! /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT] Google Fiber (probably) coming to Provo
UTOPIA is a great idea, but was initially mismanaged and then got hammered by the problems with the muni-bond market five years ago. UTOPIA is in a much better place today than previously. A similar deployment in Wyoming has gone very well. They took the lessons from UTOPIA and avoided the problems. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865552237/Wyoming-shows-how-cities-can-make-UTOPIA-internet-model-profitable.html?pg=all Being on UTOPIA has been wonderful. My internal network is the bottleneck in how fast and how much I can transfer, not the ISP. I love XMission, but I know that I can choose from a bunch of other providers if I want too. For example, as my kids get more curious, I have been looking into which ISPs provide better filtering options. If the ISP owned the wires, I would not have much choice. I think a successful UTOPIA will be a great benefit in a generation, but I fear that most tax payers are not that patient. Richard On Wednesday April 17 2013 15:29:33 Lonnie Olson wrote: > Wow, talk about misinformed. Mis-management possibly. Horrible > business model, an exaggeration. Cities do not own Utopia, they lend > money to Utopia on a bond, that Utopia has to pay back over a long > time. Some cities have chosen to join into the Utopia network for > reasons of improving network infrastructure. This infrastructure is > meant to increase competition, increase availability, increase speeds, > etc. This is exactly the purpose of local government, to provide > infrastructure to the people (Police, schools, roads, water, sewer, > etc). > > Now we can argue about the specific details and implementations that > need improvement. But the motivation of your local government was > good, and the model they chose (Utopia) can work (or could have) and > was less expensive and intrusive than running it all themselves, > absorbing all costs, and probably screwing up even worse. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
MAME Cabinet
My brother wants a MAME cabinet. Where do you suggest we get one? This is not a hobby project; I don't want to build or maintain it. I just want to put him in touch with someone he can buy one from. The budget is reasonable, and custom would be cool. Thoughts? Richard /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: OT: Tor Project
I ran an exit node during the Iranian Green movement in 2009. It took up all the bandwidth I gave it, and I eventually started getting letters from my ISP about action being contemplated due to my IP being used to pirate copyrighted films. They were very vile movies. I was using Digis at the time. I sent them the information that the EFF provides on Tor. I had a nice conversation with their head lawyer. They decided not to make any decisions unless they got more complaints. I turned the Tor exit node off a short time later because I didn't like helping people access that stuff. Richard On Monday March 18 2013 15:54:03 Nathan England wrote: > > Howdy All, > > Just curious if any of you have run tor relays for others to use and what > network you are on. Have you contacted your ISP to get permission??? What was > their response? > > Appreciate all your insights! > > /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Hypervisors and you!
My home server has had Debian Stable auto-updating nightly for years, and never had a breakage. Richard On Friday March 15 2013 11:32:48 Nicholas Leippe wrote: > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Tod Hansmann > wrote: > > - Last but not least, I'm concerned about upgrade ability. I'm going to > > put this in my colo, and I do NOT want to break things with an OS > > update. I'd rather enjoy uptime of about 3 years before having to go > > back to the colo. I guess what I'm saying here is I will never use > > Gentoo in this case. > I don't believe there exists any distro that holds your hand so much > that you can just run their update tool and trust that nothing will go > wrong. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Powerline Ethernet adapters & UPS?
I recently mentioned this as part of a different thread. But I really like the flexibility of the Asus RT-N16, and Easy Tomato is a great firmware: http://www.easytomato.org/ Richard On Friday March 15 2013 00:51:05 Dan Egli wrote: > *I wouldn't want to do it on a WRT54GL though, simply because that's an > 802.11g router. Does anyone know of a good 11n or draft-11ac router that > supports OpenWrt/DDWrt? Considering 11g only supports a theoretical 54Mbps, > and that the usual transfer rate is about 1/4 of the theoretical max, I'd > like to stick with something that will allow me to wirelessly push more > than 12Mbps or so. 11n's speeds of approx 150Mbps still means around 32+ > Mbps real world, and the 11ac standard, while not offically ratified last I > heard, is even faster. So what I'd likely do is buy two of them, flash > both, and use one as the actual AP and one as a bridge.* /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Cat 5 extended run?
I am very happy with my Asus RT-N16 running EasyTomato. It is just my home firewall / access point, but it was built for the mesh-network use case. http://www.easytomato.org/get-easytomato/ Richard On Tuesday March 12 2013 15:46:09 "S. Dale Morrey" wrote: > To answer the questions about conduit. Yes it's sort of in conduit. > They ran 1/2 inch pvc. Running fiber by using the existing cat 5 to > pull is an option I hadn't considered. However pricing fiber out here > (Ecuador AND rural even by Ecuadorian standards), it may be cheaper to > just bust up the curbs and/or stick in DSLAMs. > Another alternative since the ground is flat and the houses are spaced > at a fairly even distance may be just to build a wireless mesh network > and call it good. > I was kind of hoping to reuse the existing infrastructure if possible though. > > If you were to build a wireless mesh network in a 32 home subdivision > what access points would you use as repeaters? I'm looking at the > venerable Linksys WRT54GL and thinking throwing a custom firmware > would be a good option, but that thing is getting a bit long in the > tooth. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Backing Up Everything to Removable Disks
The only dependency on the machine you want to backup is rsync and SSH. The backup server needs Perl, rsync, and a filesystem that can handle hardlinks. Richard On Tuesday February 26 2013 10:19:41 Gabriel Gunderson wrote: > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Richard Esplin > wrote: > > I use rsnapshot as a layer over rsync so that I wouldn't have to figure out > > the rsync options on my own. > > Ditto. Works well and isn't over complicated. However, it requires > Perl, hardlinks and rsync. Might not be that great on Windows ;) > > > Best, > Gabe > /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Backing Up Everything to Removable Disks
I use rsnapshot as a layer over rsync so that I wouldn't have to figure out the rsync options on my own. It was quick to setup including remote SSH logins and exclude options. I like that restore is as simple as browsing the directory. It is all CLI driven, so it is easy to script. I think it's a good option for point-in-time scripted backups (daily / weekly / monthly / yearly), rather than continuous. I haven't tried this with Windows servers, but I would expect you could get it to work as long as you can get a somewhat standard implementation of rsync + SSH on them through Cygwin, UnxUtils, Windows Services for Unix, or whatever Windows people use these days. Thanks to Jessie's comment on this thread, I will be checking out BackInTime as well. Richard On Monday February 25 2013 16:26:03 Alan Evans wrote: > I used to use cron and rsync. > > > > On Monday, February 25, 2013 15:56:23 Tod Hansmann wrote: > >> I'm looking at replacing work's current tape backup system. > >> (As an aside, seriously, backup software sucks, especially in the restore > >> area. What ever happened to backing up files and then just giving me a > >> dialog to choose what files and what timeslice I wanted to restore them > >> to? Why is that so difficult for backup vendors to get?) > >> > >> Cheers, > >> -Tod Hansmann /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Meeting tomorrow: Linux on the Desktop with Fedora (Jared Smith)
Where is Provo? All this time I thought I was participating in the Pune list! Richard On Tuesday February 19 2013 06:43:09 Joseph Hall wrote: > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Joel Finlinson wrote: > >Maybe it's time to change the name to UVLUG? I do have to admit that I > > like PLUG much better though. > > I should point out that there is (or at least was) already a separate UVLUG. > > Since PLUG generally meets in the area near Orem, maybe we could call > it the Orem Area Linux Users Group? Except that OALUG has already been > taken by those hosers up in Ogden. > > Since Provo/Orem/etc are technically in the Salt Lake metropolitan > area, we could call it the Salt Lake Linux Users Group? Oh, foiled > again by SLLUG! Except, do they even meet anymore? > > Also, I would like to point out that PLUG has had their name for a > long, long time... long enough that a number of other LUGs (Portland, > etc) have been trying to convince us to give up plug.org to them. Are > we going to let those guys in Portland win? > > NEVER! /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: How to migrate from blogger to a static blog
I was tired of toy blog engines which either had to be maintained by myself or eventually lead to painful migrations. I recently moved my blog to Zinnia because it seemed like the most widely used Django blog. So far I'm pretty happy with it. I blogged about it here: http://richard.esplins.org/siwi/2012/10/13/moving-to-zinnia/ Blacksmith looks really cool though. Thanks for sharing! Cheers, Richard On Monday January 21 2013 19:28:18 Joshua Marsh wrote: > Thanks! I've actually bee looking at doing this. Does anyone have any > preferences about the different blog applications? Blacksmith ( > http://blog.nodejitsu.com/introducing-blacksmith) looked interesting, but > I'm having trouble deciding. > > > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:19 PM, AJ ONeal wrote: > > > Yes, this is a cross-post self promotion, but I believe it may helpful to a > > few of you. > > > > > > http://blog.coolaj86.com/articles/migrate-from-blogger-to-ruhoh-with-proper-redirects.html > > Complete with screencast and step-by-step instruction > > > > These instructions will work just as well for ruhoh, octopress, jekyll, > > nanoc, etc (with some tweaks). You can at least apply the information about > > redirects for migrating to any blogging system. > > > > AJ ONeal /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Best Linux Laptop
I am glad to hear of a local Lenovo service center. Lenovo was unable to point me to an authorized service center in Utah, and the ones I found on the Lenovo website were either out of business or said that they were not Lenovo partners. Google is showing me a VLCM Salt Lake County, but not one in Orem. Can you provide contact information for them? Richard On Monday January 7 2013 10:54:37 Jessie Adan Morris wrote: > On Monday, January 07, 2013 10:48:26 Jeff Nyman wrote: > > That is the reason I buy thinkpads. I take them to VLCM in Orem and have > > them back within 48 hours. > > I second this. I've taken mine in several times for stuff I broke (keyboard > keys, for example), and they look at it, order the part, tell me when the > part is in, I take it in before lunch and it's done after lunch usually. VLCM > has been good to me. > > And with the ThinkPlus warranty it's basically no questions asked. I have a > couple things I'm getting replaced here soon before my warranty runs out. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Best Linux Laptop
A few years ago SquareTrade, who is a 3rd party warranty provider, published their results on laptop reliability over a three year period. Summary is that all manufacturers were bad. Within three years 1 in 3 laptops failed and even the best manufacturers had a failure rate of 1 in 10. http://www.squaretrade.com/laptop-reliability-1109 Richard On Monday January 7 2013 08:08:19 Joshua Marsh wrote: > Some of the companies and laptops with negative reviews in this post are > interesting to me. I've owned and loved many of them. I've noticed this > since I bought a Packard Bell back in '94 or so. My friends bashed the > company and the product, but it worked great for me. I was even able to > install a new modem despite them being sure it would never work. I wonder > if it has to do with the user, a bad factory run, or fate. Maybe I'm just > lucky. > > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Joseph Hall wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Jeff Jibson > > wrote: > > > I will avoid HP like the plague > > On that note, I will never give buy an ASUS notebook. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Best Linux Laptop
I'll be replacing my machine early next year, and have not been impressed with any of the options on the market right now. I bought a W510 a couple of years ago and it has been a good machine, though not as solid as my T61p. The screen is great, and I really like the keyboard and three-button touchpad. But it tends to run hot, and the Linux support is not flawless like the T61 was. I have been pleasantly surprised with the quality of Lenovo support. Hold times have always been pretty short, and they sent a field technician to replace the fan assembly for me when I first got the machine (it helped, but it still runs hot). Build quality for the Lenovo's appears to be getting worse over the years. I really liked my Thinkpad Tablet until a month after the warranty expired when the power button failed. Reading on the forums, it looks like shoddy connectors on the motherboard that only outlasted the warranty because I was careful with the device. I'm thinking about getting my next laptop from System76: https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/bonx6 It looks comparable to my current machine, and cheaper than what I paid Lenovo. I bought a nettop from System76 that has served well (https://richard.esplins.org/siwi/2011/11/26/system76-shows-promise/). I really love having perfect Linux support. They aren't staffed for 24x7 global on-site support, but they were very helpful the two times I needed to call them (once was just to find out specs for a memory expansion because I was too lazy to crack the case). I hope you share the results of your research. Richard On Saturday January 5 2013 14:22:36 Stuart Jansen wrote: > I love my T61p, but it's gotten a bit long in the tooth. What would you > recommend as a replacement? My priorities are: > > - Linux compatibility > - build quality > - rocking warranty > - high resolution screen > > Note that price and weight aren't major concerns. I'm willing to pay > around $3000 if I can get high quality and a four year warranty. And I > doubt anything will ever again tip the scales like my old HP zv5000. > > I've looked and looked but nothing available today seems to compare to > the T61p. I have a 17" MBP for work and the build quality is decent, but > the keyboard and trackpad are meh, and Apple's warranty options are only > okayish not rocking. Lenovo's W540 looks decent but a step below my > beloved T61p. Nothing from HP or Dell inspires me. What have I missed? /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Debian 6.0.6 and Encrypted LVM
There are two ways to do encryption: only your home directory, or the whole physical drive. I always do whole drive encryption. I think the graphical installer only encrypts the home directories. The alternate installer (ncurses) can do whole disk encryption. Here is a tutorial that documents how I remember the process goes: http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/01/01/how-to-install-linux-mint-debian-edition-on-an-encrypted-lvm-file-system/ Page 3 has a good screenshot of how it should look when it asks for your passphrase during bootup (text-only). Adding encryption after the installation isn't very difficult. I used this guide last time I did it (start with step 4): http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=63376&p=652798&hilit=encryption#p652798 (BTW, Linux Mint Debian Edition is a very nice distribution.) Good luck, Richard On Saturday January 5 2013 14:01:40 Charles Curley wrote: > I just installed Debian 6.0.6 on a desktop. Since the default partition > sizes are not what I want, and I want a separate /home, I decided to do > a manual partition process. I *though* I set it up with an encrypted > physical volume. But on rebooting the kernel never asks for a > passphrase. When I boot with a Finnix cd, it likewise does not ask for > a password for /dev/sda's volume. > > * How do I tell if it is encrypted or not? > > * If it isn't, can I add encryption now, or do I have to re-install? > > * If I have to re-install, how do I get encryption? > > Thanks! /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: What's going on with FLOSS devs these days
This happens regularly, and I don't think it is a new thing. Off the top of my head: * Gnome 3 * Gimp's "streamlined" interface in summer of 2012 * KDE4 * KDE Akonadi * Ubuntu and Unity * Firefox's handling of HTTPS certificate exceptions * Firefox insisting that it should be more like Chrome All of these resulted in outcry from users. Many of these resulted in the project eventually backing off from the extreme decisions but only after losing some of their previous momentum. When I started the list I was thinking of all of these as recent events. I guess I'm getting old. Richard On Friday November 23 2012 10:55:35 Andrew McNabb wrote: > Gnome is definitely plagued by a self-destructive attitude, but I don't > see this as a sign of any major problems in the FLOSS world. Are there > any other particular examples that are representative of a wide-ranging > problem? /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: definitely OT now :)
I think the prospect of a Canadian winter has Michael feeling feisty. On Monday October 8 2012 12:53:17 Michael Torrie wrote: > On 10/08/2012 12:46 PM, Michael Torrie wrote: > > On 10/08/2012 12:30 PM, justin wrote: > >> I've noticed a strong correlation between bottom posting and judging > >> others for not bottom posting. Top posting helps eliminate this > >> problem. Just saying... > >> > >> ;) > > > > Ahh the memories. Good times. > > And I can't resist pointing out you haven't actually disputed my > argument or observation. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: New member in Lehi
It is impossible to please everyone in this group, so don't bother trying. That's what makes it so fun. Just enjoy the flame wars and grumbling. But if you send a private message to the entire list, remember that Google will never forget. These two articles are good to be aware of: http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html And these two are just for fun: http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/mel.html http://homes.cs.washington.edu/~weise/unix-haters.html As far as clients go, any standard Linux client should work fine: KMail, Thunderbird, Evolution, Mutt. Cheers, Richard On Tuesday October 2 2012 08:51:40 Matt Melvin wrote: > > > CC: plug@plug.org > > From: robertmerr...@gmail.com > > Subject: Re: New member in Lehi > > Date: Mon, Oct 012 0::8::7 -600< > > To: plug@plug.org > > > > Welcome! I'm top-posting and sending in rich text to ensure an [OT] flame > > war netiquette thread starts shortly hereafter. ...It's the best kind of > > welcome we know how to give! > > I now realize I've committed (and am still currently committing) a mailing > list faux pas (or two). > The good news is, I've discovered the "Plain text" setting in Hotmail's web > interface. I'd rather > switch over to my gmail account, but I guess I wasn't sure how much posting > to a mailing list would > expose my email address to spam via bots/spiders. Go easy on me... I'm brand > new to mailing lists. > Any references for good mailing list netiquette would be much appreciated. > Also, any tips on an email > client to use that will ensure proper, plain text messages and appropriate > line length, etc., and will > make these threads easier to read? I've been doing a lot of distro-hopping > and I use several > different machines (also, different OSes), so I don't really even have an > email client that I use > consistently right now. > > So pretty much, I want to do right by as many people as possible here, but > it's a whole new (old) > world, so I'd like some direction. > > And thanks for the strange welcome!... > > > Matt /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: speed up queries with sdd
I don't understand the point of your comment. On Monday October 1 2012 15:55:23 Barry Roberts wrote: > On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Sasha Pachev wrote: > > > > On the subject of the eternal battle between DBAs and developers. I > > have always felt it was a strategic mistake to hire one person to be > > MySQL "DBA", and another person to be a MySQL client developer. I > > believe this is the root of many MySQL performance problems. Those > > positions should not be separate. > > The federal government (for publicly held companies, anyway) disagrees with > you. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Durable Solid State Storage?
I love my Flash Voyager Mini. http://www.corsair.com/usb-drive/flash-voyager-mini-usb-drive/cmfusbmini-8gb.html It is one of the fastest USB drives around, small, and durable. Richard On Wednesday September 26 2012 13:01:17 "S. Dale Morrey" wrote: > Ok it's happened, I've lost my thumb drive off my keys for the 10th time. > I don't understand why the keychain connector isn't more durable on > these things but frankly it's upsetting to be running some sneakernet > and find out your thumbdrive fell off in transit,never to be seen from > again. > > Does anyone have a recommendation for a well thought out, durable > thumbdrive solution? > Thanks! /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Cheap webcam for Linux
A few years ago I bought two webcams: * Logitech QuickCam Pro C905 * Logitech QuickCam Pro 9000 Both were initially a little fiddly, but the drivers have made it into standard releases for the last few years and work great. Richard On Friday August 24 2012 09:51:38 Barry Roberts wrote: > I'm now a few minutes drive from some of my coworkers and I'm looking for a > cheap webcam that will work OOB with Fedora 17 and MacOS via > Spark/Openfire. I'm thinking about something like: > > http://www.dealextreme.com/p/compact-usb-pc-webcam-300k-pixel-25948?item=2 > or > http://www.amazon.com/Hootoo-U19-A-Vision-Webcam-Microphone/dp/B003VY4M42/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1345822761&sr=8-3 > > Anybody have any experience with really low-end webcams? > > Thanks, > Barry /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
USB Microscopes WAS Re: Cheap webcam for Linux
Which microscope? And would you recommend it? Richard On Friday August 24 2012 09:58:53 Joseph Hall wrote: > http://www.amazon.com/Labtec-961358-0403-WebCam-Pro/dp/B0001OTBUK/ > > The key that I've found is, once you find a camera that looks likely, > ask the Googles if it has uvcvideo support. I have a cheap USB > microscope that is supported by uvcvideo, and it worked out of the > box. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Money management software
Very interesting. Thank you! On Thursday August 23 2012 08:27:47 Lloyd Brown wrote: > I don't use it myself, but the forums seem to indicate that it works > pretty well in Wine: > > http://www.youneedabudget.com/forum/ynab-linux-f97/how-run-ynab-linux-using-wine-t16409.html > > Lloyd Brown > Systems Administrator > Fulton Supercomputing Lab > Brigham Young University > http://marylou.byu.edu > > On 08/22/2012 05:05 PM, Richard Esplin wrote: > > I didn't include You Need a Budget because I didn't see any support for > > Linux. I see now that it is an Adobe Air app. With Adobe dropping Air for > > Linux, what is your long term plan? /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Money management software
Inzolo looks very interesting, and a $177 lifetime membership makes it the cheapest of the commercially supported options. I question whether that will be sustainable, but even at $60 a year it is pretty cheap. I'll have to carve out a chunk of time for a real evaluation. Thanks for the tip! Richard On Wednesday August 22 2012 16:23:32 Joel Finlinson wrote: > One that I like is www.inzolo.comIt's built in Alpine, UT. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Money management software
On Wednesday August 22 2012 16:28:21 Chris Wood wrote: > youneedabudget.com has an awesome tool from a usage stand point. The > software runs on your local machine, but you can sync your data via dropbox > to other machines. You can also set it up on your phone for entry of > receipts. All can be live and do entry at the same time. I've become a > huge fan quickly even with its weaknesses. (I had to write a CVS converter > for Zionsbank data download to work well with YNAB.) If you're serious > about budgeting and hate every other tool out there, this may be nirvana. > > YNAB allows you to do things that the other tools don't do. My biggest > complaint about the way most budgeting tools out there is that it just > shows you what happened after the fact. It doesn't let you plan for the > next month and say what the budget should be. Also, the biggest issue is > that if you have saving goals they don't handle it well. If you wanted to > save money for a new car and for a vacation AND save the money in the same > actual bank account, it gets messy. I think it was Yodlee or Mint that > said to go create a separate bank account for every savings goal. YNAB > handles all of this correctly. Excellent information. I didn't include You Need a Budget because I didn't see any support for Linux. I see now that it is an Adobe Air app. With Adobe dropping Air for Linux, what is your long term plan? Thanks, Richard /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Money management software
What do you use to record, budget, and manage your personal finances? * Gnucash: I've been using it for years, but I'm tired of manually entering data and the online banking is too manual, fiddly, and error prone to be useful. * KMyMoney, Grisbi: The user community is a lot smaller than GnuCash, so they are missing features and I worry about moving my data into a product that doesn't have a strong enough following to be around in 10 years. * MoneyDance: Has promise. I don't see any way to get my money out. 2nd tier mobile access. No sync across devices. But probably cheaper than a web-based subscription service. * Mint: Looks really cool, but if I'm not paying, I'm the product. And how do I get my data out? I can see CSV downloads, but I worry about that being enough. * Mvelopes: I think I like their approach to budgeting the best, but the software looks like it was last innovative in 2009. Flash on Linux isn't going to work much longer. When I couldn't find their pricing in five minutes of looking, I started wondering what they have to hide. * HelloWallet: Has promise. Similar concerns about getting my money out if I ever need to stop paying $9/mo. * Yodlee Money Center: Their web site tells me nothing. One other thought: Every money management system I have seen that synchronizes with online banking treats the bank's records as the authoritative source of transaction data. I have seen enough bank errors and mistaken charges that I want my receipts to be the authoritative transaction data. My software needs to document my view of truth. Picture this work flow: my software downloads the bank record, and then allows me to mark each transaction as correct when I compare it with either a receipt or my memory. Instead of reconciling my printed bank statement, the system would monitor for post-facto changes to the bank's account history. This allows the software to highlight places where someone is tampering with my account. Does anything work like this? Thanks, Richard /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: [OT] Wrist Brace recommendations?
I can't give brace recommendations, but I can give wrist pain recommendations. I occasionally have wrist pain. These are my strategies to cope: * Stretches: Good advice already given. * Take more breaks from typing: Wrist pain is usually a good indicator that I've been in front of the machine too long and am probably stuck in a mental rut. A walk down the street and back will probably help my thinking as much as my wrists. * Switch my mouse to my other hand: The last few years the pain has only been in one hand. I do this a couple of times a year, and it goes away. * Use Dvorak / Colemak The one time early in my career where the pain was very worrying, I took almost a month off of typing and then learned Dvorak (summer break in uni). Besides reducing strain on my wrist, it also forced me to slow my typing speed for long enough that the injury could heal. I think Colemak is an easier keyboard layout to learn, but it won't force the break from intensity. Richard On Friday August 17 2012 10:34:02 AJ ONeal wrote: > All that keyboarding and mousing is wearing on me. > > My wrists are hurting so I'm looking into getting braces and wondering > about recommendations. > > Some of the reviews online warn that some braces get hot, some don't > provide enough support, some yada yada. But some of these people are > athletes or otherwise not in the same programming environment as myself. > > Has anyone tried a few different models? Know where I can go to try some on > rather than buying them straight from amazon? > > AJ ONeal /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Remove access to server @ bios level, behind firewall
Tripp Lite makes a box that provides an SSH interface for serial connections. I have used that in the past to do this sort of thing. I don't remember the specific model I used. Good luck. Richard On Monday July 16 2012 13:56:10 Gabriel Gunderson wrote: > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Chris Wood wrote: > > A clunky way would be to do IPMI and then have some sort of tiny linux > > box/device attached to the remote server that has a vpn connection back to > > us. Or, find a KVM over IP that can punch through the firewall. > > > > Anybody aware of an elegant way to do this? > > I think that's a pretty common way to do this. All of your servers > have IPMI on a LAN that's just for IPMI access. You have the GW on > that LAN establish a VPN to your other site so that you can admin them > as needed. > > > Let us know if you come up with something more elegant than that :) > > > Best, > Gabe /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Engineering position at Alfresco
Many of you know that I have loved working at Alfresco over the past few years. It has been interesting to see an enterprise open source company from the inside, I have learned a lot about content management, and I am very impressed with our leadership team. The company has more than doubled since I joined, and our growth seems to be accelerating. Working with a diverse international team has been a lot of fun, and I enjoy collecting the passport stamps. We are building out our San Francisco engineering team. That team has responsibility for our external facing developer API's, add-on packaging, and integration with products produced by partner companies. When the hiring team discussed the positions with me, I lobbied for them to consider telecommuters from Utah so that they can take advantage of our talent pool. Even if you are currently enjoying your job, I highly recommend you consider this opportunity. http://careers.stackoverflow.com/jobs/20699/snr-software-architect-global-open-source-co-alfresco-software?a=osfuS9W Our "we are a great company to work for" video: http://youtu.be/YtL7bfufKlg (Photos include the company adventure up a mountain in Morocco and the company jeep scavenger hunt in Malta. Did I mention every employee gets a tablet and smart phone in addition to the laptop?) Other positions are listed here (but they might require relocation): http://alfresco.com/about/careers/ Feel free to contact me or Jared Ottley (who is lurking) if you have any questions. Cheers, Richard (Please excuse the limited cross post to lists I don't spend as much time at.) /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Verifying in IE
I recently had to deal with this. A few tips: * I smoke test using this free service which provides some good information and a screen shot: http://www.webpagetest.org * I do more in-depth testing using this paid service which provides great cross-browser testing: http://www.browserstack.com/ * I do my debugging using the developer mode in IE 9 which will emulate each other version of the browser, plus compatibility modes. Access developer tools with F12. * The only way of testing each version of IE with certainty is to install them on different virtual machines, but we decided the other methods were good enough for our needs. We'll go this route if we need to respond to a specific complaint. Good luck, Richard On Friday May 11 2012 09:33:41 Lane Brooks wrote: > I developed a simple registration web page for a non-profit fundraiser. > I have a virtualbox installation of windows xp that I run out of linux > to check functionality on IE, but I have only been verifying in IE8. I > just received word of a user having problems on IE7, though. My page is > pretty simple, so I thought I was safe from needing to figure out how to > install different versions of IE for testing, but now it looks like I > need to. Given that web development is not my area of expertise and > given that it has been probably ten years since I have used windows more > than just occasionally, I was hoping people in the area of web > development could offer insight on how to install and test with multiple > versions of IE. > > From my google searches, it seems different versions of IE cannot be > co-installed, but I have found sights offering executable downloads that > supposedly include all the IE versions. They seem more like Trogan > Horses to me. Other sites seem to indicate you need to use a different > virtual machine for each version of IE you want to test with. If that is > the case, I can clone my current virtual machine, but then how do I > downgrade IE? The information I get from googling is contradictory and > hard to know who to trust. Is there not some sort of Microsoft issued > developer package with all the versions of IE that you can co-install on > one machine? If not, how do Microsoft employees verify their web pages > across their multiple browsers? > > Thanks, > Lane /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: ATSC Tuner Card Compatibility
That is why freedom loving people run MindGuard: http://zapatopi.net/mindguard/ On Tuesday May 8 2012 09:15:53 Steve Alligood wrote: > On 5/8/12 7:35 AM, Michael Torrie wrote: > > Off topic, but the whole digital cable thing is infuriating though. A > > nice digital TV with a QAM/ATSC tuner in it and no they can't possibly > > let you use that. No you have to add a stupid converter box. > > > > > that is 100% control. Addressable set top boxes allow them all sorts of > power, including reports, encryption, what you can and cannot watch, > advertisements, streaming shows (and all those enable), and alien mind > powers (well, maybe not that last). /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
A bash puzzle
I've been asked to help with some Drupal development. To make it tolerable, I
drive everything in code so that I can apply some lifecycle management
principles. Being Drupal, this regularly requires editing the database directly.
I have a bash script which drives Drush to make changes. The important part of
the script looks like this:
function run_drush_cmd {
$DRUSH_BIN --root=${DRUPAL_ROOT} --uri=${SITE_URI} $@
}
run_drush_cmd "sql-query \"delete from ldap_servers where sid='ldap1';\""
This produces an error about messed up quoting in my SQL syntax:
"ERROR 1064 (42000) at line 1: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the
manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to
use near '"delete' at line 1"
It works if instead of calling the function I put together the entire Drush
command on a single line of my script:
$DRUSH_BIN --root=${DRUPAL_ROOT} --uri=${SITE_URI} sql-query "delete from
ldap_servers where sid='ldap1';"
I have tried a lot of different styles of quoting, but I can't figure out how
to tell the function to pass the string to the external binary correctly. I am
obviously not understanding something.
Any thoughts on what bash is doing?
Richard
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Re: Any way to search the mailing list archives?
John and Lonnie both found this thread, which is probably the one you want: http://plug.org/pipermail/plug/2011-April/025413.html BTW, I have been using Rebel.com and they have been decent. I love those Canadians! Richard On Friday April 27 2012 16:11:28 Michael Torrie wrote: > On 04/27/2012 02:06 PM, Richard Esplin wrote: > > Doh! I didn't notice the year. > > > > DuckDuckGo is still a nice tool in the toolbox, however. > > Given my memory, our last conversation on the topic could indeed have > taken place in 2010. I'll give the thread a read anyway, it's only 2 > years old. Better than google's 2006 result. /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Any way to search the mailing list archives?
Doh! I didn't notice the year. DuckDuckGo is still a nice tool in the toolbox, however. On Friday April 27 2012 14:04:43 Richard Esplin wrote: > It isn't open source, but I turn to DuckDuckGo when Google lets me down: > > http://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Aplug.org+registrar > > The only link is the one you want. Of course you then need to search in your > browser through the very long archive for September. > > Richard > > > On Friday April 27 2012 12:08:22 Daniel Fussell wrote: > > On 04/27/2012 10:54 AM, Michael Torrie wrote: > > > On 04/27/2012 09:27 AM, Lonnie Olson wrote: > > >> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Michael Torrie > > >> wrote: > > >>> I'm trying to find our last discussion on domain name registrars, but I > > >>> can't find a good way to search this list archives. Have I missed > > >>> anything on plug.org's site, or maybe my google fu is failing me? > > >> Just use Google. > > >> > > >> "site:plug.org rhel" > > > Are you suggesting "rhel" is a keyword that will return name registrar > > > threads? Cause I already tried "site:plug.org domain name registrars" > > > and got nothing relevant. I got a 2006 thread as the second hit. Not > > > terribly relevant anymore. When I tried to restrict the hits to last > > > year, google turns up nothing. I should try bing as Google is sucking > > > more and more at returning relevant links. Google used to be great for > > > linux results, > > > > I yearn for the days when my search page had only a simple text field, > > an image, and 2 search buttons; and when the result list was just as > > simple and helpful. Then they started sticking their fingers in > > everyone else's pie, tasting each one repeatedly. Now a 500MHz ARM > > processor isn't enough to render the simplified mobile search page in > > under 60 seconds, let alone the results. I'm beginning to think wading > > through the unsorted results from AOLs' original Webcrawler would be > > faster and easier. Or even surfing semi-random links directly. > > > > Yes, Google is now the Walmart of the Internets, and has gone down the > > series-of-tubes. I'm half tempted to start an open-source, distributed > > search engine akin to SETI@home. > > > > ;-Daniel Fussell /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
Re: Any way to search the mailing list archives?
It isn't open source, but I turn to DuckDuckGo when Google lets me down: http://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Aplug.org+registrar The only link is the one you want. Of course you then need to search in your browser through the very long archive for September. Richard On Friday April 27 2012 12:08:22 Daniel Fussell wrote: > On 04/27/2012 10:54 AM, Michael Torrie wrote: > > On 04/27/2012 09:27 AM, Lonnie Olson wrote: > >> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Michael Torrie wrote: > >>> I'm trying to find our last discussion on domain name registrars, but I > >>> can't find a good way to search this list archives. Have I missed > >>> anything on plug.org's site, or maybe my google fu is failing me? > >> Just use Google. > >> > >> "site:plug.org rhel" > > Are you suggesting "rhel" is a keyword that will return name registrar > > threads? Cause I already tried "site:plug.org domain name registrars" > > and got nothing relevant. I got a 2006 thread as the second hit. Not > > terribly relevant anymore. When I tried to restrict the hits to last > > year, google turns up nothing. I should try bing as Google is sucking > > more and more at returning relevant links. Google used to be great for > > linux results, > > I yearn for the days when my search page had only a simple text field, > an image, and 2 search buttons; and when the result list was just as > simple and helpful. Then they started sticking their fingers in > everyone else's pie, tasting each one repeatedly. Now a 500MHz ARM > processor isn't enough to render the simplified mobile search page in > under 60 seconds, let alone the results. I'm beginning to think wading > through the unsorted results from AOLs' original Webcrawler would be > faster and easier. Or even surfing semi-random links directly. > > Yes, Google is now the Walmart of the Internets, and has gone down the > series-of-tubes. I'm half tempted to start an open-source, distributed > search engine akin to SETI@home. > > ;-Daniel Fussell /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
