from:"der.hans"

moin moin,

just learned tonight that there will be an OpenOffice.org class at MCC in
the fall. I'll send along more info as I get it. We really, really need to
fill that class.

MCC's doing great for Free Software. I'm teaching GNU/Linux security in
two weeks if I get more students. I also have a shell scripting class in
the fall.

Dennis has an almost full intro to GNU/Linux class in two weeks and
teaches it again in the fall.

Phil also has an intro to GNU/Linux class in the fall and might be
teaching his LAMP stack and writing games with Python classes again as
well.

ciao,

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state $$ to proprietary software

moin moin,

anyone know how we can figure out how much the state is spending on
proprietary software licenses?

I think it would be good to break it down based on some specific
types of applications, especially office applications and anti-virus
applications. It would also be good to break it down by area such as
education, unemployment services, health care and law enforcement.

The same types of questions apply for counties and cities, but I'm
currently mostly interested in the state level.

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Fedora 9 released

moin moin,

Fedora 9 was released this morning.

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9/en_US/

Hmmm, 15.8 is Free IPA. Maybe Red Hat is planning on sponsoring some ale
at nexts week's Stammtische.

Caution for those with nvidia cards. A co-worker updated and found that
the proprietary driver doesn't work with the version of X.org in Fedora
9.  Even with the stuff from whatever secret repository has the nvidia
drivers.

He was able to get X working again by moving to an older kernel or older
version of X.org or something.

Happy torrenting.

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west valley InstallFest this Saturday

moin moin,

The Arizona LoCo is hosting InstallFests on Saturday, May 17th.

One is in the west valley.

First Baptist Church of Peoria
Basketball Gym(West Building)
8133 W. Cactus Road
Peoria, AZ 85318
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=8133+W.+Cactus+Road+Peoria+AZ+85318

May 17th, 2008
13:00 - 16:00

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArizonaTeam/Installfest

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii134/kennymc0/sized-revised-flyer.png

They also have one planned for Tucson, but I don't have any details as to
where.

I presume it's about installing Ubuntu, but Fedora 9 came out today... :)

Please also post this to

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Re: remedying debian ssl issue

2008-05-13 Thread der.hans


Am 13. Mai, 2008 schwätzte Alex Dean so:

I've got a personal server and a laptop running Ubuntu Hardy.  I've run full 
system updates including libssl, openssl, etc.


Crypto isn't really my thing, so I'm not sure all the places where this issue 
might have affected me.  After the update, I regenerated my host keys for 
openssh, the certificate used for courier-imap-ssl, and the self-signed cert 
I use for the web server.


What other steps might I need to take?  Are the things I've done so far 
sensible, or were they unnecessary?


Sensible if the certs were generated in the last couple of years.

I think certs/keys older than 2006 should be safe.

If you have client sessions open to services make sure they get restarted
as well.

One of the posts I read suggested also changing passwords for systems that
had weak keys.

Luckily most of my keys are older than the bug :).

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Re: May es door person

2008-05-08 Thread der.hans


Am 07. Mai, 2008 schwätzte Carlos Macedo Gomes so:


Ya.  It was good to meet a couple folks (and I got a t-shirt) :-).

I'm willing to help out again if needed.


Excellent. Danke.

I can't make it tonight, but Dennis will appreciate the help.

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Re: GNOME and focus stealing

2008-05-08 Thread der.hans


Am 08. Mai, 2008 schwätzte Ted Gould so:


On Thu, 2008-05-08 at 13:59 -0700, der.hans wrote:

Hmm, apparently not. Does X have to be restarted for gconf changes to take
effect?


Not in general.  GConf will signal the app to say that the value has
been changed.  Now, the app has to be well written enough to listen :)
I'm sure metacity is.


[0] Focus stealing should've not been an issue in the first place.

[1] We shouldn't have to go to gconf-editor to turn on an important
security feature.


The problem comes with things like password dialogs.  When Evolution
prompts me for my PGP password it isn't actually the Evolution process
doing that, it's Seahorse.  And that's the way I want it.  But I do want
to be able to hit "Ctrl+Enter, **, Enter" to send e-mail.


That's Evolution passing focus rather than focus stealing. Is there a way
for Evolution to say "if I have focus when seahorse pops up, please pass
that focus on to seahorse for me"?

If, however, you hit - and then move to another application
before seahorse starts up, then seahorse should not get the focus
automagically.


In reality, X allows for this focus stealing in numerous cases.  One


Bad X, bad, bad.  :)


would have to violate the X11 specification to disallow it.  It's also
possible to put a full screen event mask in place to do key logging.  If


A key logger is yet another security reason for being able to control
what application has the focus.


you're running X, at some level you're putting trust in a bunch of
applications doing the right thing :)


Those running KDE claim it all works correctly under KDE. Is that just
because KDE requires better behavior from KDE applications?


You might be interested in the NSA's X security extensions.  I don't
think that anyone's implemented them yet though.


I'll just switch to KDE next time I restart X. I'm installing a new laptop
this weekend, guess I'll go with Kubuntu on it.

ciao,

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GNOME and focus stealing

2008-05-08 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

I had heard this was finally fixed in GNOME and should've gone away 6
months ago[0].

GNOME is still allowing applications to steal focus in my Ubuntu Hardy
8.04 install. I guess it's technically Metacity that's allowing the focus
stealing, but it's all GNOME to me. Apparently Compiz has the same issue.

Just found something in gconf-editor[1]. / -> apps -> metacity -> general
-> focus_new_windows. Apparently they haven't looked at the definition of
smart.

###
This option provides additional control over how newly created windows get
focus. It has two possible values; "smart" applies the user's normal focus
mode, and "strict" results in windows started from a terminal not being
given focus. 
###

Hopefully strict finally fixes the problem.

Hmm, apparently not. Does X have to be restarted for gconf changes to take
effect?

[0] Focus stealing should've not been an issue in the first place.

[1] We shouldn't have to go to gconf-editor to turn on an important
security feature.

ciao,

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Re: House Passes PRO IP Bill

2008-05-07 Thread der.hans


Am 07. Mai, 2008 schwätzte James Mcphee so:


increase penalties for IP violations that endanger public health and
safety



How does something that exists purely in intellect endanger public health
and safety?


When they allow corporations to patent genes and then infect 3rd party
crops with those genes. That was in Canada.

Apparently organic farmers in the US are protected in that the organic
label won't be taken away if there was accidental contamination. Guess
the FDA is only concerned about minimal efforts to keep our food safe and
actually having it actually be safe is irrelevant. Mmmm, lead painted
corn.

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May es door person

2008-05-06 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

thanks to Carlos and Shawn for handling the door for us at last month's
meeting!

Who would like to handle it for the east side meeting this month?

We'll also take volunteers for the west side meeting.

The main purpose is to catch people who are new and introduce them to
someone rather than just leaving them off on their own.

It was Carlos' first meeting, hopefully he found it was a good way to
meet people.

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Re: How to open .azw or .prc (mobireader) files

2008-05-05 Thread der.hans


Am 05. Mai, 2008 schwätzte Josef Lowder so:

moin moin Josef,


Well, I guess I'm just stuck and will have to give up (for now).
It's too long a story to try to explain why I can't update or
make any changes on this system that might risk messing it up.


How about booting into a live CD that has the program you want long enough
to make whatever changes you're wanting? That allows you to move forward
without having to update.

Sometimes we just can't afford to muck with a system. The nice thing about
Free Software is that there are many ways to accomplish a task :).

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Re: grub grub grub grub grub ad nauseum

2008-05-05 Thread der.hans

Am 03. Mai, 2008 schwätzte Joseph Sinclair so:

moin moin Joseph,

Apparently repeating it's name is how GRUB Stage 1 tells you it's trying to
find it's brain (Stage 2), and can't.

This is what I was wanting to know. Danke.

According to the Gentoo Grub Error Guide, this is possibly either a BIOS disk
detection issue or a reinstallation issue:

I looked into this a bit further, and it seems to be a common problem with
systems that have both IDE and SATA/SCSI hard drives. Most GRUB versions seem
to get the ordering wrong unless the IDE is the first (MBR) drive at both setup
and boot. I suspect this is a BIOS extensions issue, where a disk controller
reorders the disks at a late BIOS stage, but the MBR is scanned earlier than
that, so GRUB setup sees one BIOS order, but GRUB boot sees another.
The solution seems to be to modify the disk order in the GRUB config and
reinstall to the (correct) MBR.

Another source seems to be related to BIOS autodetect of disks, sometimes GRUB
seems to handle this poorly, and the solution in those cases is to user-specify
drive parameters in BIOS.

I think that's my problem. The BIOS and GNU/Linux are of different
opinions as to the disk ordering on this machine.

Links:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub-error-guide.xml
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/booting-my-new-ubuntu-install-grub-grub-grub-grub-grub-etc.-518849/

Your google-fu exceeds my own. That should be expected, though :).

Here's a video, it requires stupid flash, however, so I can't see it to know if
it is relevant or even appropriate (watch at own risk).
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ax9HrZJGDsE

Sound doesn't exist while I'm running the System Rescue CD kernel. This
can be a major advantage for many youtube videos :).

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Re: How to open .azw or .prc (mobireader) files

2008-05-05 Thread der.hans


Am 05. Mai, 2008 schwätzte Josef Lowder so:


My system is Mandriva 2006 so I don't think apt-get will work and
I do not have Synaptic on this system.  The fbreader website says
that the download is for Linux desktops and it does not seem to be
source code that needs to be compiled.  It says to extract it in
the root directory, so I tried to do that in /root and that resulted
in a lot of subdirectories including 'share' and 'usr' and 'bin' and
some others ... and trying to execute 'fbreader' does not work, but
gives an error message referring to some missing 'lib' file.

So, I wonder if they meant I was supposed to extract the tarball in
'/' rather than '/root' ... and I wonder if there is any risk in
trying to do that since there are already existing directories by
the same names in the top '/' directory.


I'm certain they mean /. I consider that to be bad form.

If you're going to just extract it, then extract it in /usr/local instead.
That'll at least put it all there and not mess with the packages you got
from Mandriva.

After extracting into /usr/local you might need to run ldconfig to make
sure your system knows about new libraries. You might also need to adjust
your PATH to include /usr/local/bin or exclusively call the utility,
/usr/local/bin/fbreader.

ciao,

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RE: grub grub grub grub grub ad nauseum

2008-05-03 Thread der.hans


Am 02. Mai, 2008 schwätzte Richard Daggett so:


I have had this in the pass and re-installing grub fixed it.


Reinstalling grub isn't fixing it. That's why I want to know what part of
grub is failing during the boot, so I can debug that step.

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grub grub grub grub grub ad nauseum

2008-05-02 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

what does it mean when rather than the grub menu you get "grub grub grub
grub grub grub" repeating forever when booting?

Is that failing stage1?

I didn't see anything in the grub manual or FAQ about this :(.

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video links

2008-05-01 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

Oi. Oi. If we're going to post video links to the list, they could at
least be for something useful and worthwhile.

http://www.break.com/index/best_rube_goldberg_ever.html

With the effort they put in it's obvious that nothing's as worthwhile as
a good Rube Goldberg machine :).

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Re: RIAA v Howell

2008-04-29 Thread der.hans


Am 29. Apr, 2008 schwätzte Craig White so:

moin mion,

thanks for the followup.


Since we discussed this...

http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2008/04/riaas-summary-judgment-motion-denied-in.html


Was Fred von Lohmann in town for that oral argument? Should we contact him
about presenting for us if he's in town again?


Shorter Howell...motion for summary judgment is denied

actual PDF of court's decision...
http://www.ilrweb.com/viewILRPDF.asp?filename=atlantic_howell_080429Decision


The district court is reviewing previous actiosn from Judge Karas?

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Re: re-installing shuttle

2008-04-28 Thread der.hans


Am 28. Apr, 2008 schwätzte Michael March so:


Where did you buy your KPC?  I have heard the fan is loud, it that true?


I guess not. I just turned mine on to see if it was noisy, but it was
already on, so I ended up turning it off and there was no noise reduction.

Just booted it again as well. I don't hear it until I lift the back end
and point it at my head.

I can hear it when I put it next to my head, but it's much quieter than
everything except my laptop.

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Re: re-installing shuttle

2008-04-28 Thread der.hans


Am 28. Apr, 2008 schwätzte koder so:


Will it boot from an/the external DVD?


The only externals I have are via my USB->SATA/IDE devices. That's not
working.

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re-installing shuttle

2008-04-28 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

I bought a KPC and want to convert it to Ubuntu.

It doesn't have a CD/DVD drive.

I tried getting it to boot from a USB thumb drive and from a CDROM
connected via USB, but those methods both failed.

I also tried installing via lubi, but lubi depends on QT :( and Foresight
doesn't appear to have QT.

Anybody else have a KPC? Did I not notice some simple BIOS option?

I'm going to investigate the USB stuff again when I get time, but I
thought I'd see if anyone had been successful in re-installing a KPC.

The thumb drive that came with the KPC has an installer and ISO image on
it, but it's Foresight and I specifically bought this system for Ubuntu.

I do hope to pull up the original install in a VM, so I can play with
Foresight.

ciao,

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Re: why we love DRM

2008-04-23 Thread der.hans


Am 23. Apr, 2008 schwätzte Donn so:


Amen. Long live the Amazon MP3 store.


Long live magnatune and others that will allow us to buy music in free and
open lossless formats like flac. Oh, and magnatune actually encourages you
to share the music :).

Apparently you can also buy from magnatune via amarok and rhythmbox, such
that those projects get a cut of the sales.

http://www.magnatune.com/

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Ubuntu desktop tonight

2008-04-23 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

tonight's west side meeting will be starting the Ubuntu desktop class. I'm
certain we'll also be talking about tomorrow's Hardy release and probably
next month's Fedora release.

Someone please remind me that I have prizes ( including a rather large
penguin ) and PLUG t-shirts in my trunk as I keep forgetting about them.

If someone else can be ready with a review of what's new for Fedora 9 that
would really be helpful.

Materials for tonight are available from Ubuntu.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training

http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/node/368

Time: 19:00
Day: tonight, 2008Apr23
Where: Arizona Conservatory for Arts and Academics
Address: 2820 West Kelton Lane, Phoenix, AZ 85053
Topic: Ubuntu Desktop Class - Course Welcome and Introducing Ubuntu

http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&q=conservatory+for+arts+and+academics&near=Arizona&fb=1&cid=0,0,9627727932323631353&ll=33.637239,-112.11903&spn=0.008522,0.015578&t=h&z=16&om=1

ciao,

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Ubuntu Hardy release parties

2008-04-23 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

there are a few US-AZ release parties coming up for Hardy.

In Phoenix we have two that I know of.

Red Seven is hosting 21 and over party at their Mesa location this Friday
from 17:00 to 21:00.

The US-AZ Ubuntu LoCo is hosting one Monday from 15:00 to 18:00 at the
Metrocenter Peter Piper Pizza. The LoCo also has a release party for
Tucson.

http://www.redsevenlinux.com/events/

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArizonaTeam/HardyReleaseParties

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Re: Apr west side meeting: Ubuntu desktop class

2008-04-21 Thread der.hans

Am 21. Apr, 2008 schwätzte Charles Lewton so:

Please confirm the day and date for this meeting. Tuesday seems to be
22Apr.

Oi. That's what I get for starting something before midnight :).

It's this Wednesday, the 23rd. Thanks for catching that error.

http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/node/368

ciao,

der.hans

Chuck

On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 11:55 PM, der.hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

moin moin,

In April the west side meeting will start going through the Ubuntu desktop
class.

Pizza might or might not be available this month.

Topic: Ubuntu desktop class - course welcome and introducing Ubuntu
Day: this Wednesday, 2008Apr22
Time: 19:00
Where: Arizona Conservatory for Arts and Academics
Address: 2820 West Kelton Lane, Phoenix, AZ 85053
Presenter: der.hans

Abstract: the west side meetings will start going through the Ubuntu
desktop class, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training. In April we will go
through the Welcome and Course Overview and then continue with Introducing
Ubuntu.

Bio: der.hans is a well-known Free Software advocate. He is currently
teaching Free Software classes for Mesa Community College's Business and
Industry Institute, http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes. He is chairmain for
PLUG, volunteer coordinator and education committee chair for LOPSA and
past president for ASULUG. He has many years of experience as both a
system administrator and software developer.

It would be good if at least a couple of people have read the materials
prior to the meeting.

The classes definitely have room for input from those in attendence, so
feel free to help keep us moving along smoothly. We are also looking to
help others prepare for leading the classes. This is a great opportunity
to participate as the materials are already written.

http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&q=conservatory+for+arts+and+academics&near=Arizona&fb=1&cid=0,0,9627727932323631353&ll=33.637239,-112.11903&spn=0.008522,0.015578&t=h&z=16&om=1

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Apr west side meeting: Ubuntu desktop class

2008-04-20 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

In April the west side meeting will start going through the Ubuntu desktop
class.

Pizza might or might not be available this month.

It would be good if at least a couple of people have read the materials
prior to the meeting.

ciao,

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Re: OT: notebook shopping

2008-04-20 Thread der.hans


Am 20. Apr, 2008 schwätzte Cat Chapman so:


I'm using a system76 laptop to post this. They make Linux lappies, and
so far I've had nothing but great things with this machine.
Check them out at http://system76.com


By going with sytem76 or something else purchased with GNU/Linux we can
get support for GNU/Linux.

At this point I do not intend to buy any computers that don't come with
GNU/Linux pre-installed and supported.

I almost had to seriously consider getting a new laptop a couple of weeks
ago, so this is a current topic for me. I still needed the new workstation
and didn't consider anything that didn't come with GNU/Linux
pre-installed.

I  will play with Foresight when my KPC comes in,
http://us.shuttle.com/Home.aspx, but I will shrink it down as a reserve
with Ubuntu as my primary OS :). Shuttle is advertising compiz with the
intel graphics chip. I expect good support. Maybe I'll run Foresight in a
VM.

I want the computer manufacturers to push the hardware industry for
specs and Free Software drivers. That isn't going to happen if we
don't intentionally and specifically purchase something with GNU/Linux
pre-installed.

I would expect good support for suspend and all of the hardware for a
laptop with GNU/Linux pre-installed. I likely wouldn't care about the
modem, so I won't guarantee that I'd test every single component :).

The $700 system76 system comes with an intel graphics chip, so it should
have good X support since intel has been providing us with specs for a
while.

It's also got a dual-core CPU, so virtual machines should have lots of
resources available.

4 GB of RAM should be plenty. Well, for now anyway :). It's double what I
could get on the desktop.

ciao,

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Re: Possible Accounting Software Solution

2008-04-19 Thread der.hans


Am 19. Apr, 2008 schwätzte keith smith so:


Thanks for your input.  I think what we had discussed 4 ot 6 months ago was the 
ability to get one's data out.  With the excel export I'm guessing this 
addresses this issue.


Getting the data out was one of the topics discussed. Do you know if the
export includes all of the data?

Another topic was support for a free and open format that does contain
all of the data. A proprietary binary format clearly does not meet that
particular requirement.

Vaughn, the orginal poster in the thread about getting data back out, was
actually complaining about quickbooks.

Obviously the software works for some people or they'd have no customers,
but several of us on this list are wanting something more than what
quickbooks provides.

Something quickbooks has that I haven't yet been able to find with GNUcash
or SMB Ledger is support from accountants.

ciao,

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Re: / on LVM and rescue

2008-04-18 Thread der.hans


Am 18. Apr, 2008 schwätzte Matt Graham so:


After a long battle with technology, der.hans wrote:

RedHat defaults to putting root on an LVM. It generally boots and works
fine. For the times where it doesn't boot correctly, I'm trying to learn how
to rescue the system.

I'm trying to use System Rescue CD to boot the currently installed system.
It's not working. Grub lists root as /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00, but
specifying that ( and several other variations ) doesn't work.


/boot *CANNOT* be on LVM.  The x86 BIOS is just too simple to grok LVM, so
your /boot, kernel image, initrd, stage 1.5, stage2, and so forth must be on
a regular partition.  If you don't have a /boot , then your / needs to be on
a regular partition.  The root= bit in the "kernel" can of course refer to an
LV if you have device-mapper and all that junk compiled into the kernel or in
the initrd.


Yeah, /boot is not on an LVM partition. Isn't it getting all of that goo
from the System Rescue CD anyway?


What's the magic goo needed to get grub to boot and use a root partition
on LVM?


If your / is on an LV, you typically need to have GRUB load an initrd that
contains the LVM tools as well as other junk.  One should be provided with
Redhat in /boot .  Something sort of like:

title CentOS (2.6.18-53.el5)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-53.el5 ro root=/dev/vg00/lv00
initrd /initrd-2.6.18-53.el5.img

...that's from CentOS, but that's similar to Redhat.  I dunno, I kept my / on
a regular partition just because so many things don't understand LVM that
well.  (/usr, /home, /var, /data ... all on LVs!)  HTH,


I suppose I might have to open up the initrd System Rescue CD uses for
rescueing and installed system.

ciao,

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/ on LVM and rescue

2008-04-18 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

RedHat defaults to putting root on an LVM. It generally boots and works
fine.

For the times where it doesn't boot correctly, I'm trying to learn how to
rescue the system.

I'm trying to use System Rescue CD to boot the currently installed system.
It's not working.

Grub lists root as /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00, but specifying that ( and
several other variations ) doesn't work.

What's the magic goo needed to get grub to boot and use a root partition
on LVM?

ciao,

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Stammtische tonight

2008-04-15 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

the Stammtische are tonight.

http://www.LuftHans.com/Free_Software_Stammtisch

Both meet at 19:00 and go until everyone leaves.

Thanks to VampirePenguin for getting us added to the West Valley View's
calendar.

Tempe
Boulders on Broadway
530 W Broadway Rd
Tempe, AZ 85282-1311

http://www.bouldersonbroadway.com/
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=530+W+Broadway+Rd,Tempe+AZ+85282

Wings, Pizza and Things
965 E Van Buren St, Suite 124-125
Avondale, AZ 85323
http://www.wingspizzanthings.com/
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=965+E+Van+Buren+St,Avondale,AZ+85323

http://westvalleyview.com/Main.asp?UID=4025957&SectionID=14&EventStart=1&SubSectionID=9&EventID=18763

I will be very late as I'm teaching this evening, but I do plan on making
it.

ciao,

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LVM2 and resizing

2008-04-15 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

is it generally safe to resize, move, etc. an LVM partition without
unmounting the partitions on top of it?

How about resizing ext3 on the fly as well?

reiserfs? Other Free FSen?

It worked fine for me yesterday in a VM, but I wasn't really doing
anything in the VM, except playing with the LVM setup.

That situation doesn't really tell he what would happen on a real FS where
people and processes have lock files and are reading and writing files or
what a database thinks about having it's filesystem mucked with.

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pre-mtg MythTV demo

2008-04-10 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

before the meeting, 18:30ish, we'll be having a MythTV demo.

That just popped up this afternoon.

We might have time for more MythTV during the mtg, but it's already pretty
full.

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CentOS for tomorrow as well

2008-04-10 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

just added a talk on CentOS for tomorrow as well.

We'll have a review of the FSF annual membership meeting, CentOS and
Splunk>.

The meeting is co-sponsored by LOPSA-US-AZ, https://LOPSA.org/LOPSA-US-AZ.

http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/node/66

RP Herrold, one of the founders of CentOS, is in town and will give us a
short intro on the scope and purpose of the CentOS distribution.

Mr. Herrold is a principal at Owl River Company
(http://www.owlriver.com/), a high-end Unix consultancy, with strong Open
Source underpinnings. Its principal clientele are firms in the financial
services industry, and ISPs.

He has been active with Linux development since 1994, serves as the editor
of the RPM packaging tool website (the pre-2007 http://rpm.org/,
now removed to: http://oldrpm.org/), and is a principal in and security
matters representative to the Linux distribution, inter-vendor private
vulnerability response and co-ordination group for the cAos
(http://caosity.org/) and CentOS (http://centos.org/) community Linux
distributions.

He is a frequent speaker on Open Source, Unix and Linux, and info-sec
matters; long time leader of the Central OH Linux User Group
(http://colug.net/); and a founder of the cAos [rpm based community
leading edge distribution], and the fast-growing CentOS [community
RHEL-based distribution rebuild].

Starts at 19:00 at Sequoia Charter Schools.

Sequoia Charter School, 1460 S. Horne, Mesa AZ 85204

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1460+S.+Horne,Mesa+AZ&ie=UTF8&t=h&om=1&ll=33.38908,-111.814213&spn=0.008546,0.015578&z=16&iwloc=

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Apr ES meeting topics

2008-04-08 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

we've got a double-header this month.

Dennis will give us a review of the annual FSF meeting last month.

Splunk> will be in to talk about their system administration tools.

This Thursday, starting at 19:00.

Sequoia Charter School, 1460 S. Horne, Mesa AZ
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1460+S.+Horne,Mesa+AZ&ie=UTF8&t=h&om=1&ll=33.38908,-111.814213&spn=0.008546,0.015578&z=16&iwloc=addr

FSF Annual Meeting review
Speaker: Dennis Kibbe

Thanks largely to Dennis' participation, Arizona is building a good
reputation withe Free Software Foundation. Dennis will give us a review of
this year's member meeting.

Dennis has been using a free GNU/Linux operating system for over a decade
and is a member of the Electronic Frontier Foundation as well as the Free
Software Foundation. He currently serves on the Steering Committee of the
Phoenix Linux Users Group where he is also a frequent presenter. Dennis
is currently studying for the Red Hat Certified Engineer exam and leads a
study group to prepare for the exam.

Dennis is also a certified eBay instructor.

Splunk> is the IT Search Engine for IT Data.
Speaker: TBD

Now you can navigate the complexity of your data centers with IT Data
Search. Splunk> is the IT Data Search Engine that indexes and lets you
search, navigate, alert and report on any IT data from any application,
server, or network device. Securely access logs, configurations, scripts
and code, message, traps and alerts, activity reports, stack traces and
metrics across thousands of components, from one place, all in real time.
Splunk can provide great value in the areas of availability, security,
compliance and business intelligence for any organization. Splunk> arms
your network engineers, system administrators, security and compliance
analysts, developers, customer support and help desk staff with an up to
the moment understanding of what's happening in your IT infrastructure and
the ability to correlate data by time.

ciao,

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Re: door person for Apr east side mtg

2008-04-07 Thread der.hans


Am 07. Apr, 2008 schwätzte Carlos Macedo Gomes so:


It would be my first physical meeting but I'm willing to help out.


Excellent!


What's the next step (beyond being somewhere near the door on 4/10
between 6-6:30pm)?  Should I contact someone offlist to coordinate?


Actually, starting at 18:30 is good as that's when the doors open.


Looking forward to meeting other PLUs.


We'll see you Thu.

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Re: door person for Apr east side mtg

2008-04-07 Thread der.hans


Am 07. Apr, 2008 schwätzte Shawn Badger so:


I can help out.


Excellent. Danke.

How about you and Carlos tag team?

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door person for Apr east side mtg

2008-04-06 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

we need someone to watch for new people at Thursday's meeting.

Ideally it would be someone who often shows up and recognizes many of our
regulars. OTOH, this could be a good opportunity to meet everyone who
shows up :).

My class will be meeting early, so they should already be handled. I will
be occupied with the class, so I can't handle this this month.

Who wants to volunteer? More than one person can.

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Re: sed help

2008-04-02 Thread der.hans


Am 02. Apr, 2008 schwätzte Kevin Faulkner so:


First off, I've been trying to do this for a little while, but keep on getting
dragged off to other things. My goal is to get sed to pull off the .xxx of the
file. So lets say you have documentation.odt timesheet.ods archive.zip and
readme.txt I would like sed to pull off these: ods zip odt txt. I figured I
would do it like this
ls -l |awk '{print $8}'|sed -e '/$\.+++/p
ls -l |awk '{print $8}'|sed -e '/^\.+++/p
(I also used ? in place of the +)
I have also tried this.
ls -l |awk '{print $8}'|grep -e "*\.[a-z]


ls -ld *.??? | awk '{print $8 }' | sed -re 's/\..{3}$//'

Use -r to turn on extended regex, then {3} to say 3 anythings.

Do you need to care about jpg and jpeg?

If you use the p command, you'll get double the output as sed is already
passing through the changed value.


I'm not sure if I just don't understand sed, or if its a problem with regular
expressions, but either way, I can't get it work. Even * should work as it is 
any character. A little guidance would be nice. Thanks folks.


* is any character in globbing, but not in regex. . is any character in
regex. * is 0 or more of whatever in regex. + is one or more of whatever
in regex. ? is 0 or 1 of whatever in regex.

? is one of whatever in globbing. * is 0 or more any combo in globbing.

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Re: W Side Meeting 26-Mar-2008 - - pizza?


Am 26. Mar, 2008 schwätzte Kevin Faulkner so:


That would be great. I even hope to make it this month as I'm now teaching
Tue and Thu nights rather than Mon and Wed nights.

Does that mean that you will not be able to attend east side meetings?


I will make the April east side meeting. I'm bringing my class over :).

We need a couple of good presentations for that meeting.

I'd love to have at least one of the following or something in the same
vein:

MythTV
Blender
Inkscape
Asterisk
video games

I will be late for the May meeting if I make it at all.


Are you using Alpine?


Yes.

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tonight's topics

moin moin,

I still am not completely certain I can make it tonight, but if I do those
attending will have their choice of several topics. I should have time for
2 of them.

1. Ubuntu HardyHeron comes out next month. We will have a lead discussion
on the new features. This will be the first Long Term Support release in a
couple of years, so those running LTS will also be getting an update.

2. Using multiple mail domains with Postfix ( SMTP ).

3. Using multiple mail domains with Dovecot ( IMAP and POP ).

4. Getting Postfix and Dovecot to work together ( this should be done
after 2 and 3 have been covered, but that isn't absolutely imperative )

5. Accounts and permissions in a *NIX environment.

6. SCaLE review

7. Many other things upon request.

ciao,

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Re: kpc and Foresight Linux


Am 26. Mar, 2008 schwätzte Jon M. Hanson so:

moin moin,


der.hans wrote:



http://us.shuttle.com/kpc/

I don't remember hearing of Foresight Linux. Guess I missed them at SCaLE.

What's the difference between the dual core procs.

INTEL PENTIUM DUAL CORE E2160 1.8GHZ 800MHZ 1MB
>
INTEL CORE 2 DUO E4500 2.2GHZ 800MHZ 2MB LGA775

Somewhere it said that it supports Compiz out of the box :).


The Core 2 Duo is the newer, more power-efficient CPU. The Pentium dual core 
is just a dual core Pentium 4. The Core 2 Duo would be faster at the same 
clock speed over the Pentium dual core.


OK, danke.

I would think that Compiz support is more dependent on the graphics card than 
the CPU.


Yeah, I just pointing out that they're using Compiz as a selling point and
that they're presumably supporting it.

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kpc and Foresight Linux

moin moin,

http://us.shuttle.com/kpc/

I don't remember hearing of Foresight Linux. Guess I missed them at SCaLE.

What's the difference between the dual core procs.

INTEL PENTIUM DUAL CORE E2160 1.8GHZ 800MHZ 1MB

INTEL CORE 2 DUO E4500 2.2GHZ 800MHZ 2MB LGA775

Somewhere it said that it supports Compiz out of the box :).

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Re: W Side Meeting 26-Mar-2008 - - pizza?


Am 25. Mar, 2008 schwätzte Mike Schwartz so:


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W Side Meeting 26-Mar-2008 - - pizza?

Submitted by Mike.Schwartz on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 18:33. *new

The Phoenix Chapter acm could provide pizza for
the 26-Mar-2008 W Side Meeting;
Do I hear any votes for or against?


That would be great. I even hope to make it this month as I'm now teaching
Tue and Thu nights rather than Mon and Wed nights.

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Stammtische tonight

2008-03-18 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

both Stammtische kick off in a little bit.

I will be majorly late, but no reason for the rest of you to not be there
enjoying a good time.

See the web site for info.

http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/meetings/info

http://www.LuftHans.com/Free_Software_Stammtisch

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Re: Kernel Panic

2008-03-17 Thread der.hans


Am 13. Mar, 2008 schwätzte Nathan Aubrey so:

moin moin Nathan,

I don't see any answers to this, so I'll take a stab at it.


I'm trying to create a cpio image to use during boot. I have one already, but
I am editing a script, then re-creating the image. It seems after so many
modifications I have to go back to an older image and start modifying that
one. It is really REALLY starting to irritate me!

Now, I am using a new kernel and it keeps saying

Failed to execute /init
Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel.

My isolinux.cfg says

append initrd=initrd.img vga=788

and I have verified the image is in place, as I have just created it.
The image is about 25 MB, but I have 2GB of ram, so it shouldn't be an issue.


Are you sure you're passing in the correct device for the root filesystem?

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Re: Are Linux boxes vulnerable to be used by botnets?

2008-03-16 Thread der.hans


Am 16. Mar, 2008 schwätzte Josef Lowder so:


Are Linux boxes vulnerable to be used by botnets?


Theoretically yes, but not really. If there were a security hole that
could be exploited someone could take advantage of it to deliver a payload
that would turn GNU/Linux boxen into trojans. GNU/Linux bot would actually
be much more powerful bots than windows boxen becuase the OS isn't
using most of the computer's resources.

GNU/Linux doesn't have as many vulnerabilities as windows or windows
applications on other OSen. That insulates us, but it's important that we
install security updates from our distributions or other upstream sources.

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east side tonight

2008-03-13 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

just a quick reminder about tonight's east side meeting.

Tonight's meeting is co-sponsored by LOPSA-US-AZ.

https://LOPSA.org/LOPSA-US-AZ

Puppet and OLPC demo

When: 19:00 to about 21:00

Where: Sequoia Charter School in Mesa

http://PLUG.phoenix.az.us/node/51

Topic: Puppet. This month's presentation will cover and introduction of
the Puppet configuration management system, followed by a demonstration of
a new linux system being configured in real time.

Bio: Michael Garfias is a long time systems administrator with thirteen
years of professional experience. He has worked for IBM, Network
Associates, a number of unsuccessful startups and one successful (so far)
startup. Michael's primary Linux interest is in large highly available
installations, and keeping those running smoothly.

Topic: OLPC demo. There will be a demo of the acoustic tape measure and
other things you can do when you have more than one OLPC laptop on hand.
OLPC has Live CDs, so download an image and see if you can get your laptop
to join in during the presentation.

Sequoia Charter School, 1460 S. Horne, Mesa AZ

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1460+S.+Horne,Mesa+AZ&ie=UTF8&t=h&om=1&ll=33.38908,-111.814213&spn=0.008546,0.015578&z=16&iwloc=addr

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Re: hardware questions, Ubuntu and Dell

2008-03-10 Thread der.hans


Am 10. Mar, 2008 schwätzte Ted Gould so:


On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 18:34 -0700, der.hans wrote:

So, I wandered over to the Dell website and search for both Linux and Ubuntu.



Any recommendations on the Dell offering or from a company that actually
offers Ubuntu?

Yeah, I won't be keeping their install, but I will back it up for
reference should something not work on my install. It would also be nice
to have a decent shot of actually getting support for Ubuntu.


Besides the fact that I work for one of the companies involved here, I'd
really recommend getting a Ubuntu machine from Dell.  Not because I love
the hardware, but because Dell is big enough to push around chip
vendors.  If Dell sees "this Ubuntu thing" as a growing market they'll
tell their vendors that, and nothing makes sales guy at a chip vendor's
eyes light up like "Dell thinks it's important." :)


That's the reason I'm considering Dell. Dell should be able to push for
Free Software drivers for all of the hardware and I want to support that.

I just tried looking for Ubuntu on the Dell web site and it pulled up the
correct link. When I try the search again after first choosing the Small &
Medium Business branch it goes to the page I linked earlier that doesn't
have and Ubuntu boxen despite being called "Introducing open source Dell
N-Series PCs with Ubuntu and FreeDOS" according to the search results.
Maybe that should get adjusted :).

I think all those machines were also using nvidia cards, which requires
binary blobs. For desktops, and especially laptops, I want to get an ATI
cards, even if I still have to wait a little for a Free Software driver.

OK, the AMD box can be purchase with an ATI card. Some of the others have
integrated Intel video cards, so that's also good for Free Software.

Looks like the Ubuntu laptops come with onboard intel video cards.

Looks like X.org 7.4 got bumped back a couple months :(. Guess that means
it won't make Hardy :(.

I look forward to ever increasing support for Ubuntu from Dell.

ciao,

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Re: Debian install

2008-03-10 Thread der.hans


Am 10. Mar, 2008 schwätzte Anthony Boynes so:


All of a set is needed.  Debian includes a lot of packages in theirr
DVD/CD sets, most of which you will probably never have a need for.
You will be prompted for each disc which is required, based on your
choice of applications, during the install.


Unless things have changed[0] the Debian installer doesn't know about
disks you don't have and will pull things down from Debian repositories.
In other words, it'll use the other disks if you have them and let the
installer know you have them, otherwise it'll use Debian's package
repositories.

All Debian needs is to get booted and install the base system from the
initial ISO.


I actually prefer using the minimal boot CD for Debian now.  You just
pull the packages you need without having to have a full set of
install discs.


You shouldn't need the full set if you have access to the Internet from
the new install. The minimal bood CD is smaller to begin with, so there's
a potential[1] advantage there.


http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/


[0] The nice thing about Debian is that once you install it you can just
do upgrades. I don't actually do installs very often, generally only when
helping people or maybe when I buy a new computer.

[1] Depends on your particular situation as to whether or not it's an
advantage.

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Re: rhce difficulty / focus

2008-03-09 Thread der.hans


Am 09. Mar, 2008 schwätzte Randy Melder so:


Thanks for the reply!

A guy that I work with and I are going to take an hour a day and study
for the test. We both have good skill sets with linux/unix, but not
with vendor specific techniques. So the goal is to get the test right
the first time.


Dennis is leading a RHCE study group on Saturdays. See previous posts to
the list and the web site for info.

EMCC is teaching certification classes. MCC is teaching using mostly[0]
the same materials and curricula as EMCC, but we're not focussed on the
certification.

I intentionally try to be distro neutral[1] even though we're using RH
books. In the fall I hope to use and Ubuntu book as well, but will again
mostly try to be be distro neutral.

Then again, if we have desires for something specific and enough students
we can generally make it happen.

[0] might be exactly the same, but I'm not sure, so I won't claim it

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hardware questions, Ubuntu and Dell

2008-03-07 Thread der.hans


moin moin,

I'm wanting to do some virtual machine testing. I've grown tired
of getting old hardware to work, so I thought I'd use this as an excuse to
get a nice box with multi-core CPU(s) and at least a couple of GB of RAM.

So, I wandered over to the Dell website and search for both Linux and Ubuntu.

Both searches essentially bring up the following search results.

http://search.dell.com/results.aspx?s=bsd&c=us&l=en&cs=04&k=ubuntu&cat=all

That recommended result that mentions Ubuntu brings up a page of boxen
with FreeDOS and RHEL on them. No Ubuntu :(.

http://www.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/nseries?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd&~ck=mn

What gives? Where are the boxen with support for Ubuntu?

I don't know anything about which CPU is better, etc. nowadays. They all
way outperform my needs, so it's generally irrelevant for me :).

With this box, though, I'd like something that'll handle well for
virtualization stuff, but not be a power hog.

I would generally prefer something from AMD. Would the Intel quad core
CPUs make a huge difference?

AMD ATHLONâ¢ X2 6000+ (3.0GHZ,1MBX2) [add $240] 
AMD ATHLONâ¢ X2 5600+ (2.8GHZ,1MBX2) [add $155] 
AMD ATHLONâ¢ 5400B (2.8GHz,512KBX2) [add $130] 
AMD ATHLONâ¢ 64 X2 5000+ (2.60GHz, 512KBx2) [add $95] 
AMD ATHLONâ¢ X2 4400+ (2.3GHZ,512KBX2) [add $40] 
AMD ATHLONâ¢ X2 4000+ (2.1GHZ,512KBX2) [Included in Price]


Those descriptions are less than helpful.

Any recommendations on the Dell offering or from a company that actually
offers Ubuntu?

Yeah, I won't be keeping their install, but I will back it up for
reference should something not work on my install. It would also be nice
to have a decent shot of actually getting support for Ubuntu.

ciao,

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Re: Red Hat books for sale

2008-03-07 Thread der.hans


Am 07. Mar, 2008 schwätzte Alex Dean so:

Both book are being used for classes at MCC for those who might be taking
classes. See below for course mapping.


I bought 2 books to study for the RHCE exam.  I'm not going to have time
to use them in the timeframe I'd planned, so if someone else would like
them I'm happy to let them go.

Jang, Michael "RHCE Red Hat Certified Engineer Linux Study Guide (Exam
RH302)"  for RHEL 5.


That book is being used for the CIS238DL and CIS240DL Linux System
Administration and Linux Networking Administration classes at MCC. I think
it's also used for the classes at EMCC. It's also being used by Dennis'
RHCE study group on Saturdays.


Sobell, Mark "A Practical Guide to Red Hat Linux"  Includes Fedora Core
5 on CD (unopened)


Provided that's ISBN 0-13-228027-2, that's the book being used by the
current CIS126DL class at MCC as well as by the CIS126DL class starting at
MCC in about 10 days.


These were about $35 each, new.  I'll sell them for $20 each.  They were


I paid significantly more than that for the Jang book when I bought it.

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Mar east side meeting

2008-03-06 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

for March we have a presentation on Puppet, a cross-platform configuration
management tool, as well as some OLPC demos.

We are also supposed to have Rhino Equipment at the meeting looking for
input on Asterisk presentations and maybe an Asterisk users group.

http://www.RhinoEquipment.com/

A couple of people from Splunk> might be in town as well.

http://www.splunk.com/

When: Thursday, 2008Mar13 at 19:00
Where: Sequoia Charter School, 1460 S. Horne, Mesa AZ

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1460+S.+Horne,Mesa+AZ&ie=UTF8&t=h&om=1&ll=33.38908,-111.814213&spn=0.008546,0.015578&z=16&iwloc=addr

Enter by the drive way gate just south of Holmes Ave. Meetings are held on
the south end of the fourth building on the left.

Topic: Puppet. This month's presentation will cover and introduction of
the Puppet configuration management system, followed by a demonstration of
a new linux system being configured in real time.

http://ReductiveLabs.com/trac/puppet

Topic: OLPC demo. There will be a demo of the acoustic tape measure and
other things you can do when you have more than one OLPC laptop on hand.
OLPC has Live CDs, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/LiveCd, so download an image
and see if you can get your laptop to join in during the presentation.

http://www.laptop.org/

ciao,

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Mar "Free Software" classes

2008-03-04 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

we have classes starting every couple of months at MCC's Business and
Industry Institute. The classes are in downtown Mesa.

In two weeks we have Linux Security, Linux Operating System and Linux
System Administration scheduled.

The security class doesn't come up too often, so grab it now if you're
interested. All 3 classes run for 8 weeks starting the week of St.
Patrick's Day.

All 3 classes have openings, so signup now.

http://www.maricopa.edu/portal/new/student-center/index.php

CIS271DL
Linux Security
http://www.dist.maricopa.edu/cgi-bin/cpr.pl?trm=20082&crs=CIS271DL&inst=99
Mondays and Wednesdays
18:00 to 21:30
2008Mar17 through 2008May07
section 8073

CIS126DL
Linux Operating System
http://www.dist.maricopa.edu/cgi-bin/cpr.pl?trm=20082&crs=CIS126DL&inst=99
Tuesdays and Thursdays
18:00 to 21:30
2008Mar18 through 2008May08
section 7986

CIS238DL
Linux System Administration
http://www.dist.maricopa.edu/cgi-bin/cpr.pl?trm=20082&crs=CIS238DL&inst=99
Mondays and Wednesdays
18:00 to 21:30
2008Mar17 through 2008May07
section 8048

Other Community College locations have classes starting in the next few
weeks as well.

For instance, it looks like there's a few classes at Estrella Mountain
Community College as well.

CIS238DL
Linux System Administration
Wednesdays
15:00 to 17:50
2008Mar26 through 2008May07
section 0001-L+L(20015)

CIS238DL
Linux System Administration
Saturdays
09:00 to 11:30
2008Mar08 through 2008May03
section 0002-L+L(20496)

CIS239DL
Linux Shell Scripting
Thursdays
18:00 to 20:30
2008Mar20 through 2008May08
section 0001-L+L(20495)

CIS271DL
Linux Security
Tuesdays
18:00 to 20:30
2008Mar18 through 2008May06
section
0001-L+L(42220)

ciao,

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Re: Debian Question

2008-03-03 Thread der.hans


Am 03. Mar, 2008 schwätzte [EMAIL PROTECTED] so:


I have a question about compiling packages on Debian.

I would like to move back to Etch since I feel it is more stable (and
for some reason the networking is faster) than my current Gutsy install.


I have seen a few guides on moving from Ubuntu to Debian. Look for
something specific to Gutsy and Etch.


Most of the programs I can use the default Etch with no issues, but
there are some I would like to either install myself or compile myself.

For example, I would like the latest GNUCash (helping me with my
accounting class) and Iceweasel and Icedove.

Any issues with installing/compiling these?  I have used Debian for a
long time, but typically just do the apt-get/aptitude route.


If you're just wanting the newer packages try grabbing them from another
repository.

www.backports.org

I don't see GNUCash, but I do see Iceweasel.

You might also be able to pin those packages to testing or unstable and
grab them from there without importing a bunch of other stuff.

I cover pinning packages in my cafod document.

http://www.LuftHans.com/unix/docs/HOWTO/cafod.txt

If those don't work or you really want to compile the packages yourself
you can download the debian package source by enabling source
repositories. Once the source repositories you need are enabled and you've
updated your package cache you can use something like 'apt-get source
iceweasel' to grab the source package for Iceweasel. After that you can
follow any number of guides on creating your own binary package.

Look at the apt-get manpage for the source and build-dep sections.

ciao,

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Re: Asterisk

2008-02-28 Thread der.hans


Am 28. Feb, 2008 schwätzte Geek Girl so:

moin moin,


Does anyone here use Asterisk at all? If so what distros do you like using? Or 
do you just build up from a base distro?


Sequoia is using Asterisk for several campuses, including the ones that
host our meetings. Brian also setup Asterisk to work as the school bell
for at least one of the campuses.

Rhino Equipment, a local Asterisk telephony vendor, is planning on being
at the next east side meeting, which is 2 weeks from tonight. They'll
be there incognito to see how we work and maybe talk about starting an
Asterisk users group.

I'd prefer it if they just started bringing Asterisk topics to PLUG, but I
might be somewhat biased ;-).

ciao,

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Re: PLUG West Side Meeting: Feb. 27, 2008, 19:00 - 22:00

2008-02-27 Thread der.hans


Am 27. Feb, 2008 schwätzte Mike Schwartz so:


The "presentation" (if any) is TBD but I for one plan to attend:
   http://plug.phoenix.az.us/node/370
In the past I would forget when these things were
(apparently now they are the 4th Wed. of every mo.),
so I used to appreciate it when someone posted a reminder here.
Actually maybe I should have posted this
   yesterday... (sorry)


That's fine if you post the reminder like you just did :).

I'm told the presentation tonight will be Inkscape.

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Re: Ubuntu LoCo team planning a Phoenix Conference

2008-02-27 Thread der.hans


Am 27. Feb, 2008 schwätzte Charles Jones so:


Me too...I wish there were more confs that were local to us.


Help make them happen.

Free Software generally doesn't have a sugar momma company paying for
stuff, so we get things done via volunteers.

Incidentally, Charles is helping by hosting Dennis' RH study group on
Saturdays. It's like a mini, single topic conference every week ;-).

ciao,

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Re: CHALLENGE--knetwalk

2008-02-26 Thread der.hans


Am 26. Feb, 2008 schwätzte Joshua Zeidner so:


 the game for true geeks:  http://www.corewars.org/


Hmmm. I think the true game for true geeks is UNIX. Especially since the
advent of GNU/Linux and *BSD because we can add our own scenerios.

And now with OpenBIOS and open hardware we have almost unlimited levels :).

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Re: Ubuntu Package Management Issues

2008-02-24 Thread der.hans


Am 24. Feb, 2008 schwätzte Patrick C so:

moin moin,


First, some output.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo apt-get install --reinstall kate
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Reinstallation of kate is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.


As Kristian already pointed out, make sure to update your package cache
if you've changed your sources. You can use the update option to either
apt-get or aptitude.


The problem, if it's not already clear, is that the package manager wants to
download some packages from a repository I have (intentionally) removed. I
need to be able to search through my packages for any containing "ppa" in
the package version, and replace them with an older one. How can I do this?
(How can I make Kubuntu stop thinking that those packages are to be
downloaded from the ppa repository!?)


You can pin the ppa repository between 1 and 100 and the other
repositories over 1000.

man apt_preferences

This is really old and somewhat out of date, but I like how I described
things :).

http://www.LuftHans.com/unix/docs/HOWTO/cafod.txt

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Re: Samba team got protocol docs

2008-02-21 Thread der.hans


Am 20. Feb, 2008 schwätzte Charles Jones so:


der.hans wrote:

http://samba.org/samba/PFIF/


I wish this meant that soon we could have "native" support in Sunbird
and other opensource calendar progs that would allow to sync with
Exchange. Maybe I don't make full use of Samba now, but the current


Do the docs include info on the eXpunge protocols?


version seems to be doing everything I need. What I would kill for is
the ability to kick Outlook to the curb forever, without having to
resort to the current various kludge methods of syncing exchange with
Sunbird and vice-versa.


They could use the same mechanisms as Evolution if they chose.

ciao,

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Samba team got protocol docs

2008-02-20 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

I don't remember seeing this posted here.

http://samba.org/samba/PFIF/

It doesn't meet Darrin's requirements since they have to sign an NDA.

It does require m$ to document patent claims for the protocols.

Hopefully this documentation is hastening the release of Samba 4.0.

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Re: Stammtische this Tues

2008-02-18 Thread der.hans


Am 14. Feb, 2008 schwätzte [EMAIL PROTECTED] so:


Ok, I know this is probably the stupidest question ever brought up here,
but...

What, exactly, is a "Stammtische"?  A *fest, hoe-down, or what?


We prefer shovels :).

Essentially the Free Software Stammtisch is a chance to hang out and talk
about stuff over food and drink. There's no agenda, not even a requirement
to talk about Free Software. Free Software is the most common topic, but
I've recently heard talk about cars, Greece, moving to San Francisco,
Medieval dance and adopting kids.

http://www.LuftHans.com/Free_Software_Stammtisch

The Free Software Stammtisch is a social environment for GNU, Linux, *BSD
and Free Software enthusiasts that meets every third Tuesday of the month.

A Stammtisch is the table at which regular customers meet. In Germany,
it's common for groups of friends or people with common interest to get
together on a regular basis. English terms that might encompass similar
activities would be special interest group and bridge club. Stammtisch
often gets directly translated as "regulars' table".

In Germany there are many, many Stammtische. Some are groups of friends
that have been meeting since they were kids and some are people with a
common interest such as a Motorrad Stammtisch ( motorcyle enthusiasts
meeting ).

Stammtische generally meet at bars and restaurants, so it's a social
eating and drinking activity.

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Stammtische tomorrow

2008-02-18 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

February's Free Software Stammtische are tomorrow. We start at 19:00 and
generally run until at least 22:00. Show up at any point.

The Free Software Stammtisch is a social environment for GNU, Linux, *BSD
and Free Software enthusiasts that meets every third Tuesday of the month.

Tempe
Boulders on Broadway
http://www.bouldersonbroadway.com/
530 W Broadway Rd
Tempe, AZ 85282-1311
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=530+W+Broadway+Rd,Tempe+AZ+85282

Avondale
Wings, Pizza and Things
http://www.wingspizzanthings.com/
965 E Van Buren St, Suite 124-125
Avondale, AZ 85323
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=965+E+Van+Buren+St,Avondale,AZ+85323

ciao,

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Stammtische this Tues

2008-02-13 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

it's almost that time again. The Stammtische will be this coming Tuesday
night. I will be offline for the week, so the reminder's going out now. It
would be cool if someone would send another reminder Monday.

Both start at 19:00, but we're eating and drinking, so no requirement to
be punctual.

http://www.LuftHans.com/Free_Software_Stammtisch

Tempe
Boulders on Broadway
530 W Broadway Rd
Tempe, AZ 85282-1311
480 921 9431

Avondale
Wings, Pizza and Things
965 E Van Buren St, Suite 124-125
Avondale, AZ 85323
623 882 0335

At SCALE I might've picked up a couple new people for the Avondale
location and it should also have a couple of people in from the SMCC LUG.

The Stammtische are specifically UG neutral and open to anyone interested
in Free Software. I actively welcome in PhxBUG, ASULUG, SMCC LUG, DeLUG,
EVLUG, TFUG, LUNA, AzPHP, the 15 ruby and/or rails groups we have,
PerlMongers, etc. Feel free to send an invite to anyone you think might be
interested.

ciao,

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SCALE presentations?

2008-02-09 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

sitting in an Asterisk presentation at SCALE. Lots of cool stuff here.

Lots of PLUG members here!

Who wants to do a wrap up presentation for us?

We need one for the March east side meeting. We could have one at either
the February or March west side meeting.

ciao,

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Intel video specs

2008-01-31 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

Brian just let me know Intel released a reference manual for some of their
graphics stuff.

http://intellinuxgraphics.org/

Most cool.

With good driver support would those chipsets provide enough horsepower
for Compiz-fusion?

ciao,

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Re: OT: accounting via spreadsheet

2008-01-28 Thread der.hans


Am 28. Jan, 2008 schwätzte keith smith so:


I share your concerns and you make a good point.  Isn't the quickbook data 
format public knowledge?  I'm not familiar with QuickBooks, however I would 
expect you can export your data in comma or tab delimited format.


We've had a couple of threads about trying to export data from QuickBooks.
Apparently it isn't that easy. I've been told that one of the common
proprietary accounting packages will export data, but it only exports a
subset of the data. I don't remember the specifics, but something like
having the numbers and dates for transactions, but not categories that
you've entered.

Some questions for those clamoring for QuickBooks exports.

Does QB export data at all?

If so, what formats does it export to? IIF? QIF?

If so, what data isn't being exported if it's not a full data dump?


I'm in the same boat.  I used paper ledgers last year.  Not very effective.  
I'm looking for a solution that will provide me more info and greater ease of 
use.

It is my understanding most accountants want you to use QuickBooks.


We're trying to find one who'll use something else.


To me it is a decision of time and money.  I need an effective solution that 
will not cost me hours and hours to come up with.  My spreadsheet formula 
skills are very minimal.


Yes, the goal is to use a Free Software project. There are many to choose
from, such as GNUcash, SQLledger, kmymoney and myphpmoney.


If I were to build something I would probably make is browser based and it 
would take hours and hours to create.


Use something that already exists :).

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Re: OT: accounting via spreadsheet

2008-01-28 Thread der.hans


Am 28. Jan, 2008 schwätzte keith smith so:


In thinking of using a spreadsheet I think of two things. 1) fexability 2) the 
cost in time of creating the spreadsheets, formulas etc.

Might be more cost effective to just buy quickbooks.


It is not more risk-effective to put my business data into a proprietary
format I can't read. Not being risk-effective means it's also not
cost-effective.

It's my data, I don't want it held hostage.

Not trying to lambast you, just pointing out that monetary cost of the
software is not the primary problem. In fact the monetary cost of the is
mostly irrelevant.

ciao,

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Re: Semi-OT: Referral for Linux-friendly accountant

2008-01-28 Thread der.hans


Am 28. Jan, 2008 schwätzte R P Herrold so:


On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, der.hans wrote:


Am 28. Jan, 2008 schwätzte R P Herrold so:



I do almost everything via my credit union's web interface. I'd rather
have support for GNUCash to kick off the transaction electronically.

To each his/her own :).


ouch -- web UI's are usually not 'touch-type' friendly


I don't do that many checks, so it's not too bad :). If GNUCash were able
to handle the transactions it wouldn't matter as the data entry ( and
scheduling of automatic payments ) would happen via GNUCash.


Actually I was in N Scottsdale when I wrote that, but yes,


Were your ears ringing? I mentioned several times this
weekend having someone sit in and correct my whole
presentation as I was giving it :).


;)  yeah -- the band at the Pinnacle Peak Patio was crankin'
out both Western AND Country music Sat night.


Glad they were giving you some variety.

ciao,

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OT: accounting via spreadsheet

moin moin,

Randy mentioned using a ledger rather than suffering the indignity of
paying for software.

I'm fine with paying for software, but it still needs to be Free Software
and it still needs to use a free and open data format.

Are there accountants that support clients who use spreadsheets for the
source data?

In other words, could I obtain or create an OpenOffice.org template for
general personal and small business accounting that an accountant could
use?

If the accountant then imports the data to a proprietary program for
auditing I might be fine with that.

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Re: plug] Re: Semi-OT: Referral for Linux-friendly accountant


Am 28. Jan, 2008 schwätzte R P Herrold so:


On Sun, 27 Jan 2008, der.hans wrote:


Am 22. Jan, 2008 schwätzte R P Herrold so:

I need that laser check printing capability, and want two way
import /export, though ;)



Were it supported and in GNUCash would FreeCheck do what you need?
http://www.sandeen.net/freecheck/
Looks like it hasn't changed in 5 years.


Yes - - I held this and one other project in mind when I was
writing [my mention of LaTeX miniboxes to handle font
alignment, was because my testing with one - I fergit which,
had 'ragged' spacing on the MICR line, which I know from
experience causes bank rejects and special handling fees ;( ]


I do almost everything via my credit union's web interface. I'd rather
have support for GNUCash to kick off the transaction electronically.

To each his/her own :).


I have offered bounties in the past;  this thread from #centos
at irc.freenode.net months ago; I affirm and renew it here.



We need to concentrate the bounties and requests for service
such that someone sees the business opportunity in
supporting Free Software and open data formats.

I need an accountant who'll work with Free Software. It
sounds like Vaughn does as well. You're $elsewhere, but
still need the Free Software aspect even if you don't need
an accountant in the Phoenix area.


Actually I was in N Scottsdale when I wrote that, but yes,


Were your ears ringing? I mentioned several times this weekend having
someone sit in and correct my whole presentation as I was giving it :).

I've also used that experience in my classes to let the students know
I'd generally rather be interrupted with better information than let
inaccurate information stand.


when one needs an accountant, one needs one admitted in the
$STATE the services are needed.  State by state, and political
subdivision variances are to overwhelming, to pay for an
account to be good at all of them.  Familiarity with local
practice and requirements makes sense in selecting any
professional services provider.


Those of us here have Arizona Chain Reaction and Local First Arizona, but
I haven't yet found an accountant that will definitely use Free Software.

http://www.LocalFirstAZ.com/


I don't need to import data from a proprietary format, but
it would be awesome if we could move people from QuickBooks
to some Free Software program.


'Chicken and egg' problem to some degree in assembling the
'critical mass' for any accounting firm to make the jump is
providing competency in the market of servicing true FOSS
accounting packages -- By articulating desire for an import /
export interchange solution, my thought was that the
accountant would not need to leave their comfortable fog of a
familiar format.


I wouldn't trust working via import/export with a proprietary format for
my day to day books.


A son in law is on the home stretch of a Masters of Accounting
program, and set to work for one of the 'Big Four'.  He


Is he interested in doing some side work using Free Software?  :)


reports that part of his coursework last semester included
getting good with a SQL-Server explorer / wizard which had
pre-programmed routines to spot common accounting fraud tricks
(gaps in PO or Check Number series; gaps in transaction dates;
suspicious payee similarities; and so forth)  but practically
focussing on where the real world usage is.

I assume that the corner accountant has similar tools to take
the QB accountant interchange reports, and to 'cook' tax
filings and so forth out of them.


Yeah, I could see importing to some proprietary format for auditing. In
the end I think that needs to move to Free Software as well, but it's
admittedly not the same priority as for the source data.

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Re: Annual FSF Membership Meeting Mar 15 at MIT


Am 27. Jan, 2008 schwätzte [EMAIL PROTECTED] so:


One thing which always fascinated me is that we aren't seeing
lregulatory attempts to bully software into being, if not Free, then at
least open, when there's auditability issues.


The data formats need to be free and open for a variety of reasons.

1. in the case of the company using it, it's the company's data and
doesn't belong to a 3rd party company making the software

2. reliability of interaction between programs/vendors

3. ease of automation

4. ease and reliability of accounting audits

I'm certain there are more reasons.


The obvious one is voting machines, but I'd expect there'd be huge
auditibility requirements for gambling machines, payment processing
kiosks, basically, anything that you give money but don't recieve a
product you can immediately review.


I believe there is a lot of audibility of gambling machines. The political
ease of actually getting an audit is another question altogether.

It's funny that the electronic voting machine companies claim it's
impossible to get reliable printers for the voting machines, but the same
companies make ATMs and there would be no tolerance for ATM machines
without reliable printed receipts.

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Re: Semi-OT: Referral for Linux-friendly accountant


Am 22. Jan, 2008 schwätzte R P Herrold so:


I need that laser check printing capability, and want two way
import /export, though ;)


Were it supported and in GNUCash would FreeCheck do what you need?

http://www.sandeen.net/freecheck/

Looks like it hasn't changed in 5 years.


I have offered bounties in the past;  this thread from #centos
at irc.freenode.net months ago; I affirm and renew it here.


We need to concentrate the bounties and requests for service such that
someone sees the business opportunity in supporting Free Software and open
data formats.

I need an accountant who'll work with Free Software. It sounds like Vaughn
does as well. You're $elsewhere, but still need the Free Software aspect
even if you don't need an accountant in the Phoenix area.

I have leads on two accounting companies that might be willing to work
with Free Software. Who else would be willing to pay for accounting
services from a company that uses Free Software for the bookkeeping?

I know of several companies in the Phoenix area that would prefer to be
using Free Software for their bookkeeping. A couple might be willing to
switch accountants if we had one that would use Free Software.

I don't need to import data from a proprietary format, but it would be
awesome if we could move people from QuickBooks to some Free Software
program.

ciao,

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Re: Annual FSF Membership Meeting Mar 15 at MIT