Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care I like the ease of touch artwork, but with friends at the helm it can be problematic. Is there anyway to have an undo function? Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care DaveWr;502397 Wrote: I like the ease of touch artwork, but with friends at the helm it can be problematic. Is there anyway to have an undo function? Or an autosave current list function before change, with option to revert? I thought about that (long time outstanding bug). The problem is: there is no way to guarantee that this succeeds on the iPeng side. Long playlists can take minutes to load, Squeezebox Server is EXTREMELY slow in processing the current playlist. So what do I do when the playlist isn't complete? Wait a few minutes? So undo would have to reside on the server. One way could be to autosave the current playlist to a file before issuing a command but that, too, could take a few seconds, although I believe Logitech experimented with this for the Touch UI. Maybe I experiment with it, too :) -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care Sorry about the difficult suggestion, but as I see it the playlist change is editing, and most end users editors have a sort of oops I didn't mean to do that mode. I think this would crack many of the party mode etc. comments. Great you'll take a look. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care DaveWr;502403 Wrote: Sorry about the difficult suggestion, but as I see it the playlist change is editing, and most end users editors have a sort of oops I didn't mean to do that mode. I fully agree it should be there. It's just that it should be implemented on the server side, should be fairly simple to do there. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care pippin;502404 Wrote: I fully agree it should be there. It's just that it should be implemented on the server side, should be fairly simple to do there. Absolutely, but in the current circumstances, I doubt we will see it there any time soon. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care pippin;502399 Wrote: So undo would have to reside on the server. One way could be to autosave the current playlist to a file before issuing a command but that, too, could take a few seconds, although I believe Logitech experimented with this for the Touch UI. Maybe I experiment with it, too :) I think it should be possible to do on the server side as a plugin. You don't need to save the playlist to file, it's enough to store it in the database if that's faster. It should be pretty fast as long as you don't have gigantic playlists but gigantic playlists doesn't work good with SBS anyway, so... If performance is a problem the plugin might even store the old playlist in primary memory and don't save it to disk at all. I wonder how much history it would need to have ? Is it enough to undo one step ? It's also possible to have different scenarios for different operations: - Should it be possible to undo a add operation ? - Should it be possible to undo a delete single track operation or just a operation that replaces the whole playlist ? -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care erland;502420 Wrote: If performance is a problem the plugin might even store the old playlist in primary memory and don't save it to disk at all. That's what I would have thought, too. May be stored to the db in the background later on. I wonder how much history it would need to have ? Is it enough to undo one step ? As long as you just keep it in RAM it should not be a big issue to do 10 or even 100 steps, shouldn't it? I mean, we talk about a number of URLs here, not large data structures. It's also possible to have different scenarios for different operations: - Should it be possible to undo a add operation ? - Should it be possible to undo a delete single track operation or just a operation that replaces the whole playlist ? I'd say it should simply save the previous state for any operation acting on the current playlist. That's really not a lot of data for adding/removing single tracks, the full PL only has to be saved for clear. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care pippin;502426 Wrote: I'd say it should simply save the previous state for any operation acting on the current playlist. That's really not a lot of data for adding/removing single tracks, the full PL only has to be saved for clear. If implementing as a plugin I think you need to save the state after someone has modified the playlist because I don't think there is any way to hook in before a change. However, the end result will be the same: 1. Current playlist is empty 2. Album1 is played to playlist - Save state with playlist based on Album1 3. Album2 is played (playlist clear and album2 added to it) - Save state with playlist based on Album2 I think there might be some cases, at least in Custom Browse, where playing a album actually issues a play command for each track on the album. In that case there will be 12 states to save (one for each track). This scenario was what I was trying to avoid by not saving a new state when a track is added. An added track would just update the previous state. A undo operation in this situation probably want to undo to the playlist before the album was played in one single step. Of course, there are probably other ways to accomplish this too. The reason Custom Browse issues a play command per track is that it can be a filtered menu that just shows some tracks of the albums, for example tracks rated with 4 stars. Anyway, it requires some work but it should be possible to implement for someone that has the time and interest to do it. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care From an iPeng perspective I would find it easier to save the state BEFORE I issue a command (because that's when I know I will do that), so if a plugin provides the feature iPeng could precede each command with a save state command. For incremental changes it could also provide some information about what kind of command this is (add, play, clear,...) Don't know about CustomBrowse, though, and this would also probably fail on plugins like Dynamic Playlists or Random Play. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care Erland / Pippin I think this undo suggestion would really make a large amount of the community very happy. It stops all the variety options issues, but fundamentally allows all users to try and use the product as intended, but with no playlist lost disasters. I hope something can be done. Logitech would love this, it would save a whole load of grief that has ben around for a long time - party mode etc. If you want any help on testing / evaluation as I have recently ceased working for a living, I can commit some time to test scenarios etc. as required. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care pippin;502450 Wrote: From an iPeng perspective I would find it easier to save the state BEFORE I issue a command (because that's when I know I will do that), so if a plugin provides the feature iPeng could precede each command with a save state command. For incremental changes it could also provide some information about what kind of command this is (add, play, clear,...) Don't know about CustomBrowse, though, and this would also probably fail on plugins like Dynamic Playlists or Random Play. It feels like this should be handled completely on the server side and just offer a undo JSON command which iPeng can use. That way the functionality can be provided also for Controller and IR remote users. However, if you want to have as little logic as possible on the server side and only support iPeng, a solution with a separate save state command will probably make the plugin part easier. Although, I'm pretty sure Logitech won't implement a save state solution in Squeezeplay. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care DaveWr;502451 Wrote: If you want any help on testing / evaluation as I have recently ceased working for a living, I can commit some time to test scenarios etc. as required. Maybe it's time to learn some perl ? I'm not doing any third party development at the moment, just discussing and showing possibilities to those that still have the inspiration. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care erland;502464 Wrote: Maybe it's time to learn some perl ? I'm not doing any third party development at the moment, just discussing and showing possibilities to those that still have the inspiration. Well ideas inspiration maybe, my last programming was in 1982 in ASM86 and PLM86 (original intel 8086 programming tools, assembly language and basic high level stuff. Prior to that as an electronic engineering graduate Fortran and Coral 66. Then I became engineering management / marketing strategic business management. So new coding stuff a bit tricky. So if I want to learn Perl - where do I start. I should at least take a look at the options, you never know I might even like it. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care That sounds just perfect. Mix up all those language and remove any formalized syntax and you've got Perl code... -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care Ha Ha but what if I am sort of serious. Perl looks complex. Probably a programers dream, how much can I do in one line sort of thing. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care Sorry, didn't mean to confuse you. I can't help you, though. I find Perl a programmer's nightmare and stubbornly refuse to ever learn it. And tell everybody on every possible occasion :D -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care DaveWr;502569 Wrote: Well ideas inspiration maybe, my last programming was in 1982 in ASM86 and PLM86 (original intel 8086 programming tools, assembly language and basic high level stuff. Prior to that as an electronic engineering graduate Fortran and Coral 66. Then I became engineering management / marketing strategic business management. So new coding stuff a bit tricky. So if I want to learn Perl - where do I start. I should at least take a look at the options, you never know I might even like it. ... but what if I am sort of serious. Perl looks complex. Probably a programers dream, how much can I do in one line sort of thing. Sorry for being OT, but I do not have a clue where to start an assessment. A good place to start is: http://learn.perl.org/ Another tip is to start with some simple plugin and modify it for your needs, for example the Remove Played Songs plugin which does some work with playlists: http://www.koldware.com/SlimStuff/RemovePlayedSongs-2.3.1.zip You probably need more help after you have looked at this a bit. Let's not hijack pippin's thread for this, instead I'd suggest that you post in the Developers section of the forum if you have more questions and someone will be able to help you. If you have done some programming, have some time and are willing to learn you have a good start. I think people, like myself, who is used to Java or other more modern object oriented languages are more frustrated with perl than people who don't know any modern object oriented language. It is a bit messy and before I know Squeezebox Server I thought perl was just another way of writing shell scripts and not a language anyone use for applications. Many sources on internet mainly show examples of perl usage in small shell scripts so this is something that's good to be aware of when you search for information. The syntax is more or less the same when it's used in applications, it's just packaged in *.pm files instead of *.pl files. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care I really like the current implementation. Clicking cover art to start playing. Playlists can be stored so no problem when clearing. -- MrRalph MrRalph's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22078 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care MrRalph;502182 Wrote: Playlists can be stored so no problem when clearing. Are you suggesting you save every playlist you make, and after every song you add to it? Can't say I'd like to do that. I tend to think that the touch album art to play issue might illustrate that (very broadly speaking) there are two types of users: those that usually build up playlist from (mainly) single tracks as they go and on the fly, and the others who more often play whole albums (and/or maybe existing pre-prepared playlists). I suspect it might be mainly the first type of user who finds touch album art to play inconvenient. I am interested to hear from others how their friends find their first play with iPeng. It was my experience with three friends at different times over Christmas that led me to bring up the touch album art to play issue. All of them attempted playlists (rather than playing whole albums) and managed to destroy their playlists accidentally pretty immediately. One gave up with the device and used the controller instead (although I'm not sure he found it much more friendly). The other two persevered but both managed to destroy a playlist at least once more during the evenings. A caveat might be that my friends are all over fourty and could have fatter fingers than younger souls. MC -- ModelCitizen Think the third party Squeeze plugins and applets are important? Then 'vote for bug 14194' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14194) so more can be made. Last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care First - I'll add the option, so no panic. But some thoughts: 1. I find the accidental destroying of playlists interesting, actually, in this case it never occurred to me. I don't do a lot of playlists but I'm also pretty sure I never ever accidentally hit a cover. May be because I usually use my iPod two-handed and when I use it single-handed, it's with the left hand (making it almost impossible for me to hit the cover at all). But I also tend to believe it's probably a thing between knowing and not knowing what will happen. 2. This may sound harsh, but new users don't count for me. I've said this before on issues such as pop-up choices, the swipe subpages on NowPlaying, the modes and a lot of options: I AM willing to compromise immediate obviousness for long-term efficiency of the UI. My ultimate goal with the iPeng UI is that if you use it a lot over a long time it has to be the most efficient way to handle the task of operating a Squeezebox that I can come up with. People have a brain to learn and usually are pretty good at that and I _HATE_ UIs that unnerve me with dialogs and things that help new users to not have to understand how things work but keep being in your way over and over again when you use the thing. iPeng is NOT made for one-time use but for long-term frequent use. I find it interesting that Luke (the author of Squeemote) recently posted that he came to a similar conclusion WRT pop-ups, which Squeemote currently has and he's obviously removing for the next release because they were too unnerving over time. On the use case, the opinion looks split, if I look at the poll. May be a similar case as for the Play Shuffled option, which a lot of long-term Squeezebox owners simply don't seem to understand (since Squeezebox doesn't have it that way and Squeezebox didn't have play other tracks in album as a default in the past - it is now). That option works EXACTLY the same way as in Apple's own iPod App making it very simple and obvious for iPhone a dn iTouch users but obviously there is a significant number of iPeng users who simply do not use that. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care I agree that iPeng should be geared toward long-term efficient use and I find it does that very well. But I just checked the native Music app on my iPod Touch -- it does NOT play an album when you touch the album art -- it just shows the track list for the album. Thus the behavior of iPeng differs from the native Music app in this respect. -- Ron Olsen Ron Olsen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9233 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care Ron Olsen;502292 Wrote: I agree that iPeng should be geared toward long-term efficient use and I find it does that very well. But I just checked the native Music app on my iPod Touch -- it does NOT play an album when you touch the album art -- it just shows the track list for the album. Thus the behavior of iPeng differs from the native Music app in this respect. Sorry, with that comment I meant the Play Shuffled behavior only. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care pippin;502295 Wrote: Sorry, with that comment I meant the Play Shuffled behavior only. The point is that the native Music app does not destroy an existing playlist when you touch the album art -- if a goal of iPeng is to be consistent with the native Music app, then the touch album art to play album and destroy playlist feature should be deleted, or at least made an option and not the default. -- Ron Olsen Ron Olsen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9233 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care The iPod app doesn't have a current playlist it could destroy or it would do that all the time. It only has a very nasty and inconvenient way to build an on-the-go playlist which you can then play. It's not a goal of iPeng to be consistent with the native iPod App, i just borrowed the idea of the Play Shuffled item from it which should be familiar for iPhone users but obviously isn't. After you've destroyed a playlist once through Touch Album you know what happens, as you can see on the poll a lot of people use it. As I stated before: I'll add the option, default probably stays as it is now (or I start another poll :) ) -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care I use the touch cover art to play feature but I can also see that this could be confusing for new users. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care I use the touch cover art function all the time and would miss it if it was to be removed. For those unintentionally trashing playlists with the function an option to turn it off would help. I personally would instead like it if you, pippin, could address this feature request you yourself made quite some time ago: https://trac.penguinlovesmusic.de/trac/ipengnat/ticket/55 (Add Undo for anything that clears the playlist) An option to restore the last playlist would help, I think. -- vagskal 2 x SB3 (wired), Receiver (wireless), Boom (wireless), Controller, iPeng on iPod Touch, muso on remote computer running Win XP | 7.4.2 on Win XP vagskal's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20778 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care The problem is that this is by no means simple... -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care Thanks for bringing this up, Pippin. I've frequently had my playlists destroyed, which can be pretty frustrating. Most of the time, though, it's *not* the touch cover to play that does it. Instead, it's when I'm selecting individual tracks and I don't hold my finger down long enough to bring up the contextual menu. The most frustrating thing is that I almost never want the immediately change track behavior. In my ideal world, there'd be a setting that made add to playlist *always* be the default option. In other words, you'd need to use the contextual menu to get iPeng to immediately play the track (and destroy the playlist). This would happen at the track level and also at the touch cover to play level. -- AHodsdon AHodsdon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20680 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care AHodsdon;501933 Wrote: Thanks for bringing this up, Pippin. I've frequently had my playlists destroyed, which can be pretty frustrating. Most of the time, though, it's *not* the touch cover to play that does it. Instead, it's when I'm selecting individual tracks and I don't hold my finger down long enough to bring up the contextual menu. The most frustrating thing is that I almost never want the immediately change track behavior. In my ideal world, there'd be a setting that made add to playlist *always* be the default option. In other words, you'd need to use the contextual menu to get iPeng to immediately play the track (and destroy the playlist). This would happen at the track level and also at the touch cover to play level. Um... How about using Add mode? Would that not give you exactly what you want if you never use play? See Help-Quick Tutorials-Albums/Playlists? -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care Oops. I kinda figured that I was missing something, since no one else had brought this up. Shame on me :). Incidentally, I'd still vote for an option to disable album art touch to play. Thanks for the quick response. -- AHodsdon AHodsdon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20680 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care I like the touch and play feature, but maybe you could bring back the option controls (play, add, etc) to the album listing page, like they were in they were in the previous version of iPeng. -- corbey corbey's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care corbey;501208 Wrote: I like the touch and play feature, but maybe you could bring back the option controls (play, add, etc) to the album listing page, like they were in they were in the previous version of iPeng. They caused too much confusion (and never acted on the cover, btw). It's just a single additional click now with the context menu (hold-select vs. hold in the previous release). -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care I voted that i don't use this and it disturbs me (closest option to my belief) but I actually do use it. But it disturbs me that i can accidentally wipe out my playlists. I suppose if it can't be fixed with an option, I'd leave it as is, but I'm torn -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care Hi Pippin, I voted for it, and use it often. But how the hell can I avoid the always upcoming shuffle, whenever I touch an album. that really kills me kind regards happy 2010 carrera -- carrera 2XSBClassic, Transporter, Controller, iPeng Server: XPPro, Files: FLAC carrera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care carrera;501219 Wrote: But how the hell can I avoid the always upcoming shuffle, whenever I touch an album. that really kills me :sigh: Why does it kill you? Three cases: 1. You touch the cover art: Shuffle mode stays as it is. 2. (same as iPhone's native iPod app): Touch play shuffled plays the album suffled 3. (same as iPhone's native iPod app): Touch first track to play album straight away. This will even turn shuffle OFF! What is so difficult about this that people actually want a feature REMOVED that they could just as well simply ignore? -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care It is a very handy feature. Please keep it. As long as people are aware of the feature, it should not cause accident. The art is on the side and the touch is so accurate in pointing. -- Honva Honva's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14948 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
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Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for
cover art in iPeng?
- I use this and like it.
- I don't use this and it disturbs me
- I don't care
Moose has similar functionality in its cover chooser screen. I
requested a change there, which was implemented such that clicking
popped up the choice to:
Play Now
Play Next
Add To End
Play Track {select from a list of tracks}
Add Track to End {select from a list of tracks}
Play Track Next {select from a list of tracks}
Add To Favourites
Create MusicIP playlist
I've not got an iPhone, so I haven't tried iPeng, and don't know how
this sort of approach would fit, but a simple additional selection of
either Play/Add/Cancel would perhaps work.
--
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care In iPeng there is always a row for an album and an associated cover art to the left. You get a full context menu when holding the item and simply selecting the item drills down but there's currently a shortcut for immediately playing the album when touching the cover. I originally had this in the skin, where loading of menus, details etc was much slower and did not include it in the first builds of the app but re-added it after a lot of beta testers requested it to be added again. Got more of these requests again later when it did not work on some screens, e.g. Search. It's just adding an option in this case but because the cover is handled differently in some places (the item displayed is not always an album, it may be a track or it's an icon for an online service) it's more than one change. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care I do use the touch album art to play the album feature. But I have also accidentally wiped out playlists with it, which is very frustrating. I would like either the option to turn it off, or an option to toggle it to an 'add album to playlist' mode. -- rdsoftware rdsoftware's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19923 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care I use it, but I also frequently touch album art by mistake whilst building a playlist. The resulting destruction of my playlist is so irritating and the time it takes to rebuild it so costly that I'd forgo the touch album art to play album functionality. However, I guess an option to turn the touch to play on/off might be the friendliest compromise. MC -- ModelCitizen Think the third party Squeeze plugins and applets are important? Then 'vote for bug 14194' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14194) so more can be made. Last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care I never knew about it, and thankfully, never discovered it by accident. I'd be annoyed if it blew my playlist away. Although the longer I use use Squeezeboxes, the better I am getting about not getting too attached to an unsaved playlist. :-/ -- MeSue SUE 1 Duet | 2 Booms | 1 Radio (beta) | 1 Touch (beta) | 1 SB2 HP MediaSmart EX470 | Squeezebox Server 7.4 Find me on 'Last.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue) | 'Twitter' (http://twitter.com/suechastain) MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care Pippin, How hard to put in the option setting? -- fphredd fphredd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33133 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care fphredd;500612 Wrote: Pippin, How hard to put in the option setting? Not necessarily hard, it's just that this is in a lot of places. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPeng poll: Do you use Album art touch to play?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 Question: What do you think about quot;touch-to-play-albumquot; for cover art in iPeng? - I use this and like it. - I don't use this and it disturbs me - I don't care pippin;500617 Wrote: Not necessarily hard, it's just that this is in a lot of places. Is that different than changing it? I obviously know little about the programming part, and will continue to think this is one of the best justifications for an iPod Touch no matter what happens...just figured I'd ask... -- fphredd fphredd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33133 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73237 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
